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May 13, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Dr. Chris Shaw interview
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Now, there's a lot of anecdotal stuff that's out there that, you know, unfortunately, that's all it is at this point.
It's anecdotal.
But again, some serious scientists are taking a look.
We're going to do a study in the next, we're going to start the next few weeks.
We're actually going to see if anything is coming off vaccinated animals.
In other words, if you take a bunch of animals, you vaccinate them to the same schedule.
We'll do an mRNA vaccine.
Vaccinate to the same schedule like a human, you know, they get two doses, whatever period of time apart, let them percolate, and then put unvaccinated animals in the cage and see what happens.
Our fear is that we will see the unvaccinated animals having something transmitted to them.
I would like it if we don't, but my concern is that we will.
Welcome to Bright Down Conversations.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of brighteon.com.
Today we have a really amazing guest, someone I've been wanting to talk with for a long time, Dr.
Chris Shaw.
He's a professor at the University of British Columbia, and he's the author of a new book that's just about to come out.
It's called Dispatches from the Vaccine Wars.
It comes out at the end of August.
You can pre-order it on Amazon.com.
And of course, Dr.
Dr. Shaw is an expert in neurology and specifically the effects of certain toxic elements on neurology.
We're going to talk about aluminum today and what that may have to do with, well, some of the things happening in the world right now.
Shaw, it's a pleasure to have you on.
I'm really looking forward to this.
Thank you for joining me today.
Thanks, Mike.
It's nice to be here.
It's really great to have you here.
Should we start with aluminum and your research?
Or do you want to kind of hint at what's coming out in your book?
Because I hear there's a lot in there.
The book has one whole chapter on aluminum because it deserves its own presentation because it is such a dominant feature in what I think are the adverse effects that some people experience, especially the other.
And unfortunately, we no longer have Chris Exley able to address these kinds of issues because he's recently left Keele University or is about to.
Under some rather unusual circumstances.
Basically, Keele University forced him out.
They didn't like what he was doing, and they essentially cut off his funds so he couldn't do any more work.
And so he ended up having to let his staff go and is now going to be doing other things, which is a real tragedy because he was probably one of the most prestigious professors at Keele.
And certainly the world's, you know, Yeah, but that's part of how the control systems work is controlling the funding in order to control the outcome of research.
Very much so.
And not only do they control the funding, his ability to apply for funding within Britain, but they also prevented him from accessing the funds that were donated to his laboratory.
So they basically just wouldn't let people do it.
They wouldn't do it, but they wouldn't give it to him.
So Chris has been working against that backdrop for a while, and finally you just run out of money and you can't pay your staff, and things happen, which is a real tragedy in my view, because he is really an extraordinary scientist.
Well, I agree.
He is extraordinary.
But in our world today, I think what you're saying is not surprising to at least our viewers because, you know, we live in a world where the governments and the universities and the pharmaceutical companies and health regulators and so on, they all claim to be working on behalf of humanity, trying to save lives.
And yet they cover, well, in my words, I would say they cover up a lot of the research and the important information About toxic elements, not just aluminum, but also lead, cadmium, perhaps mercury as well.
We'll talk about that.
But can you explain that context?
Why is this happening?
Why are...
Go ahead.
I'll put it in the shorter-term context or maybe the longer-term context in terms of how corporations behave when they feel that their products are attacked and they're bottom-line threatened.
There's a really good book that came out in 2002 by two American journalists, John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton, called Trust Us, We're Experts.
And it basically, you know, they weren't even talking about vaccines back then, but this is a book that documents what happens to scientists who expose the dangers of pesticides, of lead, of a huge number of things.
And in all cases, the response by the industry that was making those harmful things was the same.
In other words, call them idiots, call them quacks, call them anti-science, say they're going to kill your grandma, et cetera.
And this goes on and on and basically try and marginalize them and get them to the point where they cannot operate, they can't function, get their grants cut, get them in trouble with their faculty, et cetera.
And that was kind of the routine thing that these journalists were documenting.
But when you read the book now, with hindsight of almost 20 years, you look at, or almost 30 years now, you basically say...
It's a pattern.
This is how they behave.
They behave this way because they're defending their corporate bottom line, and they don't really care what their products do to people as long as they're making money.
And in all cases documented in the book, the so-called naysayers, the quacks, the pseudoscientists were all correct.
Everything they said about lead and pesticides, etc., was true.
And it just takes a long time for the industry to basically own up to it and find another way to do things.
But they will fight tooth and nail to prevent you from doing that.
And of course, they destroy careers and people in the process.
And of course, they're injuring people too.
So the pharmaceutical industry is no different.
Yeah, to your point, what's fascinating is that you look at the history of big tobacco and the way big tobacco infiltrated the Journal of the American Medical Association, bought off doctors, ran full-page ads, you know, doctors smoke camels more than any other cigarette.
And all of those tactics are used right now in the vaccine industry to try to dismiss legitimate concerns, science-based concerns over these things.
And as I was just explaining to people yesterday, you know, Pfizer Is running the clinical trials on Pfizer vaccines and submitting Pfizer data to the FDA, which conducts none of its own research on these vaccines.
And people don't even realize that.
It's incredible.
Yeah, no, people think the FDA is this strong, strong branch that you can count on to screen things.
And it's simply not true.
They don't have the capacity.
I don't even think they have the interest now.
And their conflicts of interest are outrageous.
As they are with CDC. So one of the things I did in the book, and it was painful, let me tell you, it took years off my life, I'm sure, is actually do a deep dive into all the literature the CDC had on their website from 2020 to 2000.
And there were 584 articles I had to look at, many of them in great depth.
And what you discover when you do that, there are a few good ones, but mostly it's a lot of arm-waving and, you know, rather hysterical commentary about how we have to reassure people that something is not happening.
The study designs are routinely awful, and they're basically going with, and the conflicts of interest are amazing, amazingly bad, that is, and they're basically trying to, you know, whitewash the entire possibility that there's any harm from vaccines at all.
Which is not to say that vaccines are going to kill you tomorrow if you take them, but it's definitely the case where the science that exists and where they say, well, you know, there's thousands of papers that say these are safe.
Well, it's a little flimsier than most people appreciate.
And you actually have to read that.
And again, it was painful to do it.
You actually have to read that to see just how lacking it is in any kind of, you know, real solid input.
And therefore, what they're doing by promoting that stuff, and the AAP, the American Association of Pediatrics, is doing the same thing.
They're basically cherry-picking the stuff that supports their views, ignoring anything that doesn't, and presenting that, you know, the science is settled kind of discussion, you know, which we've heard far too often during COVID, which, you know, is a ridiculous statement.
I can't imagine any scientist actually making it.
You've been following this for quite a number of years, and yet what has happened in the last year and a half or so with COVID in particular, it seems like this was a real qualitative turning point for the worse, where all of these regulators, the CDC, the FDA, the drug companies, you know, Walensky herself, they really change their tactics.
They're not even pretending to be following science anymore.
They will just come out and say, oh, the vaccine doesn't really work.
I mean, Walensky said doesn't stop transmission, doesn't stop infection, but everybody should be mandated to take it anyway.
And then the media will just lie and say, well, it does work.
It works all the way.
I mean, President Biden will just come out and say, if you take the vaccine, you can't get infected.
Even though there's zero support for that statement, even in the scientific studies done by the vaccine companies themselves.
So it's as if they've just abandoned it all at this point.
Well, you know, and again, Afghanistan is now free and democratic and happy now, according to Mr.
Biden.
So, you know, you can take his words with some grains of salt there, I think, across the board.
I don't necessarily think he is well advised, to say the very least, about either issue, frankly.
So, yeah, so it has become typical.
COVID-19...
It basically exposed the pharmaceutical industry for some people.
A lot of people just drank the Kool-Aid and then carried on with business, but the pharmaceutical industry was really exposed by their kind of naked greed in this.
When you look at what Moderna made, and or Pfizer, and or Johnson& Johnson, and or AstraZeneca, all the emergency use authorization vaccines, they have made out like literal bandits, which they are.
And the They have basically managed to cowl much of the public and certainly the media and certain governments around the world, including in Canada, into buying onto this narrative that has very, very little actual science to back it up.
The epidemiology is all over the map.
It's a mess.
I strongly suspect, for example, in our province and many places, the public health officials do not know how to do PCR. They do not know what the cycle threshold should be.
And they're basically manufacturing it as they go, and they're changing it daily.
So, you know, how much can you trust anything that comes out of their mouths?
I think not much.
There's certainly some honest scientists there.
But, you know, then often you're dealing with something I deal with in the book.
You're dealing with something that has almost become a cult religion, that it's far beyond the science.
When someone says the science is settled, it's safe and effective, and you really don't have a lot of serious data to back that up, You're devolving into a cult.
Well, and also, the science can't be settled unless you've heard from the other side of the debate, and they censor the other side.
Science can't be settled anyway, because science doesn't get settled.
I mean, science has got the probabilities, and the weight of evidence that's gathered over time, it's not a settled thing, because all it takes is one experiment to throw it on its head.
So they can't say it's sad.
Scientific proof doesn't exist.
Proof is the domain of mathematics and formal logic.
It is not a science thing per se.
It's just science is a method and a probability statement.
That's all it is.
And when they claim otherwise, they're defaulting into religion.
Nothing wrong with religion.
It's just that you shouldn't make science into a religion.
That's all.
Well, I just, I call it a dogma.
It's just a dogma and no contradictory evidence is allowed to be heard or seen, including evidence from people suffering from the toxic adverse reactions caused by these vaccines.
I mean, people are dying from strokes and blood clots.
There's a woman in Michigan had her legs and hands amputated because of blood clots following the vaccine and so on.
This is a great suffering going on, but let me ask you a question.
I'm not sure if this is a domain that you want to answer, but as you are a neuroscientist, and we know that these vaccines either contain spike protein particles, that's the antigen target in the vaccines, or the mRNA vaccine contains instructions to instruct your body's cells to manufacture these spike protein, well, nanoparticles, toxic nanoparticles.
The spike protein is, at least according to other highly qualified doctors and experts that I've interviewed, it can be very toxic to human neurology.
What is your opinion on that subject if you dare to approach it?
Well, I have approached it in the book.
And so what we're discovering, and this is coming out from, actually, there's actually a very active group of researchers here in Canada.
There are researchers and physicians, most of them extremely pro-vaccine in general, who have great reservations about the EUA vaccines.
And the group is called the Canada COVID Care Alliance.
Again, you could not find a more pro-vaccine group if you tried, except that they have the ethics to recognize when something doesn't seem right.
And it doesn't seem right with what's begun to happen with the calls for mandates, the vaccination by coercion of a large fraction of the population of North America and elsewhere.
The kinds of adverse effects that are occurring, the manipulation of data by the authorities to make it appear that this is not happening.
All these things have begun to take a lot of people who, again, are extremely pro-vaccine.
And you can see the light going on in their eyes when they go, oh, goodness, I didn't think it went like that.
Well, it does.
And they're beginning to discover what some of us have known for years, that if you go against the established orthodoxy, you are going to get squished.
Look at Andy Wakefield back in 98.
Look at Romain Girardi.
Look at Chris Exley, as we've just discussed.
Our lab has been targeted.
Luis Lujan in Spain has been targeted.
This is how the industry and the government, and keep in mind that the government is At least in North America, largely controlled by the industry.
And it's true in Canada, too.
The whole concept of regulatory capture that various people have talked about is definitely playing out here.
And so, yeah, the way to deal with it is to kind of ethnically cleanse the science and get rid of the people who are saying contrary things, even if what they publish is peer-reviewed, and even if it's solid, and even if it's statistically significant, etc., You're still a quack anti-vaxxer or pseudoscientist, etc.
And everyone wants to kill your grandma.
So, you know, that's just how it's playing out.
And this is not new.
I mean, again, you know, trust us who are experts documented this happening to scientists, you know, back when pesticides were first coming up for discussion.
Well, right.
Underscoring what you just said, if there's a mother out there who wants to go get a vaccine and she's pushing out tweets and TikTok videos and everything all over social media, I can't wait to get the vaccine.
It's going to be awesome.
And then she goes and gets the vaccine and then she almost dies from a blood clot.
And then in the hospital, she's tweeting out, oh my God, the vaccine almost killed me.
Make sure you think twice before you get it.
And so suddenly she's an anti-vaxxer.
Even though she got the vaccine, suddenly she's a liar, even though five minutes ago she was celebrated for telling the truth.
And by the way, her medical costs are not covered by the product manufacturer because of their legal immunity from product injury.
So not only are you then demonized and called a liar, and then you have to foot the bill for the damage, which might include amputations, might include death, might include long-term medical costs associated with serious damage.
It's just incredible.
Insofar as you get neurological complications out of these things, it's going to be very serious and long term.
We know, for example, from some of the original animal studies that were done by an offshoot of Moderna, that the mRNA construct winds up in the brain.
Not as much as in the deltoid muscle, but it shouldn't be in the brain at all.
You remember that whole discussion about cold storage that came out a year ago?
Oh my God, if we don't store it at minus 80 or minus 20 or whatever the regulations were at the time, then it's going to fall apart and you're going to be injecting nothing.
Well, guess what?
It turns out not to be true.
All those things, the spike protein seems to go all over the body.
The mRNA construct seems to go all over the body.
And it even shows up in breast milk in vaccinated mothers.
So you cannot say that this stuff is not wandering around other areas.
It's not being degraded as rapidly as claimed.
Neither the protein nor the mRNA construct.
So then the question is, you know, what is it going to do?
Well, we don't know because we haven't looked that hard yet.
And of course, there's no money for people like me to go look because, you know, you don't want to find out what might be damaging to the corporate bottom line.
And that's what essentially it comes down to is the corporate bottom line.
These guys have the sweetest of sweet spots.
They get paid to develop the vaccines.
They get to sell them to the same governments that paid them to develop them for billions of dollars.
And they have no product liability.
You cannot imagine a more beautiful system if you are a corporate person sitting at the top of one of those companies.
Well, and they're allowed to commit marketing fraud without any scrutiny by the FTC.
So, you know, if you were selling a supplement, let's say if you were selling vitamin C and you said this thing has a 95 percent cure rate, you'd be arrested.
But they can put out a fraudulent vaccine and claim falsely a 95% efficacy rate, and they never get investigated.
And by the way, what you just mentioned about the mRNA fragments appearing in the brain, I think you're referring to the biodistribution studies.
I think they're also called pharmacokinetic studies about the distribution of vaccines throughout the body.
But there have been autopsies also of people who died after vaccines.
And the spike protein antigen target from the vaccine has been found in all the major organ systems of the body.
So there's no question.
I'm not surprised because that's exactly what was coming up in the animal system.
Right, but the drug companies were able to skip those studies.
They didn't do the biodistribution studies because Operation Warp Speed.
So everything's in a hurry.
So it's like, well, forget about quality control.
Well, if they did, they were mostly focusing on efficacy and very, very short-term safety.
Apart from that one mouse study, which was actually a study by a scientist named, I can't remember his name, but he basically, with a bunch of other people working for a company called Valera, looked at monkeys, people, mice, ferrets, and they were primarily focused on the efficacy against another virus, and it seemed to work very well in the short term.
It was only in the mice that they began to look at the biodistribution of it, and that's when they saw the distribution across the mice.
But even their efficacy is only measured by the antibodies that are produced in response, and that is not even a definition of the functional immunological response, is it?
Yeah.
As far as I know, I don't know if anyone has actually looked at T cells or memory cells to see if they're active.
Now, what we're seeing now is really interesting.
So when you see someone like Anthony Fauci or our own public health officers basically say, oh, you know, we should be getting our boosters soon.
You know, we need to get in there and take your third dose and then, of course, your fourth dose.
You're basically admitting that you're getting what's called secondary vaccine failure.
In other words, whatever antibodies you had, whatever other immune cells that were turned on by these vaccines seems to be waning over time, which is not terribly surprising given what we know about influenza, nor about even most vaccines, including the MMR, over time.
And, you know, what we're seeing is that people are losing that, whatever initial immunity they got from the vaccines is going to fade, and that's why you have to do the third.
And, of course, this is a moneymaker for the pharma, because if you're going to do a third, you've got to do a fourth, and you've got to do a fifth, and you're a customer for life, which is exactly the endgame here.
They want to make us all customers for life.
Well, right, right, but it's...
Everything you said, I think it's very important, but there's another element to this.
There was a study just published in the Journal of Infection that looked at the immunological response to the first wave of vaccines that had been given from the, quote, original Wuhan coronavirus versus the Delta variant, and it found that the excitatory or enhanced These antibodies are accelerated in the presence of the Delta variant, which is referring to antibody-dependent enhancement, of course.
And that's what all of us were afraid of was going to happen, and it does seem to be happening.
Well, right, right.
So it's not just that people got a vaccine that's becoming increasingly worthless over time as the antibody effectiveness fades.
It's that that first vaccine is priming their immune system to overreact to subsequent infections by variants that were not covered by the first vaccine.
And by the way, the study in the Journal of Infection then says in the conclusion, well, the answer is to have a second generation vaccine.
But just like you just said, Dr.
Shaw, then you're going to have a third generation mutant.
That's immune to the second generation vaccine, and you're going to have to have a fourth booster shot and a fifth.
This never ends.
We know this.
Are you wanting to invest in Moderna and Pfizer now?
Put your money, you can make some money.
Because they have landed in the ultimate sweet spot for a pharmacy company.
It cannot get better than this.
Keep in mind, as a neuroscientist, I worry about stuff in brain.
And that's what I primarily study when I'm looking at Lou Gehrig's disease or Parkinson's or ASD for that matter.
And what you see is, if this stuff is going in your brain, what do you think your immune system is going to do?
What do you think the microaglia in your brain are going to do when an RNA construct and or a spike protein shows up there?
You know, three guesses, two don't count.
You know exactly what it's going to do, okay?
And so the concern that a number of us have is that you are going to create the preconditions for some sort of neurological injury.
That may, in time, be fairly significant.
If you've vaccinated two-thirds of your population, or whatever the number finally is, and you have a wave of neurological diseases, let's say only one in ten has a neurological complication, you cannot imagine how disruptive to society and economy that would be.
When someone gets Alzheimer's disease or Lou Gehrig's disease, it basically takes, unless you're very rich, it takes a caregiver out of the economy.
Because they have to stay home and take care of that person as long as they live.
And if you're rich, you can warehouse them in some sort of care facility.
But, you know, that's really a lousy option.
And we've seen how well the care facilities are dealing with the COVID, you know, vaccination disease itself.
I think my opinion, I think we're heading for a serious consequence in neurological diseases that is going to be, I think, deadly for a lot of people and deadly for the economy and deadly for society.
And I just dread to think what happens if they start injecting kids, especially little kids.
That's not going to be a good thing.
That's going to be a problem probably beyond what most of us can imagine, I think.
I share your fear.
I fear that soon we're going to have essentially the walking dead dominating society.
The healthcare resources will be completely overrun.
This is my concern as well.
And I understand what you're saying about children.
What if they start showing symptoms of dementia or Alzheimer's-like conditions at age 20?
Or just ASD. Yeah, exactly.
But, you know, what if they just, you know, you accelerate the level of autism spectrum if you give it to really little kids?
What's going to happen to the babies of injected mothers?
I don't know.
And we don't know.
And we won't know for years.
There's been some discussion.
I want to ask your professional opinion about this, whether you think there's anything to this, but those who are virologists talk about prion-like regions that have been engineered into the subunit protein, the spike protein.
I've seen reports of autopsies that appear to show spongiform encephalopathy in the post-vaccine Brain tissue is like it's been eaten from the inside out.
What's going on with this in your view?
I think, yeah, there is speculation that there is a prion-like activity in some individuals.
I haven't seen a lot of literature on it yet, but I know the speculation is there.
My concern is also that one of the things that characterizes most of the age-dependent neurological disease, whether you're talking about ALS, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, is these kind of weird clumps of proteins.
They're called beta sheet conformations.
And basically, the proteins misfold and become kind of an obstacle to normal cellular trafficking.
You know, whether they're directly causal to these diseases or certainly, they're certainly not helping.
And I, you know, I can see that if you put the mRNA construct into brain, if it gets into brain, and it's now going to start generating massive amounts of spike protein.
Again, we don't know, does it stick on the cells that were infected, or does it wander around?
Again, we don't know.
If it sticks in the cells, a lot of foreign protein, not only are the cells going to be attacked by the immune system, but you're also running the risk of actually creating those beta sheet confirmations, I think.
And again, someone's got to go do the experiment to find out.
It's not that hard an experiment to do.
It's just, you know, where are you going to find the funding for?
It's not going to come from the government.
The government doesn't want to do this.
It's not going to happen in Canada.
I really doubt it's going to happen in the United States.
NIH is not going to fund this in any circumstances.
So, but there are people who can do this study, but it hasn't been done.
And I don't think it will be done, not in the near future.
Well, that's a really good point because these governments are by enrolling their own populations in this experimental injection with really a new platform of vaccine technology.
The mRNA platform has never been a previous vaccine approved for use in humans using that technology.
So there are unknown consequences, but because they're complicit in it, of course, they would want to cover up their complicity if things turn bad.
So But it seems obvious that, at least in my view, from the experts I've interviewed, we are headed for bad events happening.
I mean, a lot of deaths, a lot of injury.
Is there a point where you think this thing turns and there's an admission that, oh, we made a mistake, or do they just cover it up as long as they can while people are dying?
Well, I think they care as long as they can.
I think it's going to get to be very hard to conceal.
But, you know, did Joe Biden admit a mistake in Afghanistan?
No, just, you know, we're done here.
We're getting out.
So there was no whoops.
The Afghans should have been able to fight by themselves.
So we're just going to, we're taking off, guys.
So it's going to be the same sort of thing.
They'll never admit liability.
There's both financial and financial.
I think you've heard of it.
It's called the sunk cost fallacy.
It basically says if you've been doing something for a while, rather than admit you messed up and what you were doing was wrong, you're just going to keep doing it.
And that's pretty much what I think is going to happen here.
So eventually...
You know, papers will start to creep out, but it'll be by people who are funded already, you know, because they decided they actually want to see what's going on.
And I think, you know, we're seeing some of those things happen, but it's going to be very, very hard to actually find a way to do this.
And one of the things that's emerging, and again, it sounds very science fiction-y and sounds sort of unbelievable at first blush, but there is now some evidence that people who are vaccinated are spreading something.
My first instinct is that can't possibly be true because, again, the protein is so degradable, they said.
The lipid-coated mRNA is so degradable, they said.
And we now know that's not true.
And could those, you know, aspects of the vaccine be going to other people?
Now, there's a lot of anecdotal stuff that's out there that, you know, unfortunately, that's all it is at this point.
It's anecdotal.
But again, some serious scientists are taking a look.
We're going to do a study in the next, we're going to start the next few weeks.
We're actually going to see if anything is coming off vaccinated animals.
In other words, if you take a bunch of animals, you vaccinate them to the same schedule.
We'll do an mRNA vaccine.
Vaccinate to the same schedule like a human.
They get two doses, whatever period of time apart, let them percolate, and then put unvaccinated animals in the cage with them and see what happens.
Our fear is that we will see the unvaccinated animals having something transmitted to them.
I would like it if we don't, but my concern is that we will.
So if you do show that, that's a nightmare scenario for the world.
It's a nightmare.
You know, when I first thought about this, and I won't mention the other investigator, he's in the American South.
When we first started discussing it, based on, I don't know if you've heard of a fellow named Byron Brittle.
When I first heard him talk on the CCCA weekly call, I had nightmares.
I just thought, this is going to be a train wreck of unbelievable proportions.
If any of this is true, if anything is spreading, if anything is going to be unvaccinated and back and forth between vaccinated, you have a disaster waiting to happen.
It would be lovely if that were not true.
I hope it's not true.
This is one area.
I'm pretty type A and pretty arrogant in my own way, but this is an area where I really like to be wrong.
And I wake up at 2 in the morning thinking, what if I'm not wrong?
What if it's going to happen?
What if it's already happening?
So that's kind of where I'm at with that.
Okay, so you know, I'm sure you're aware that there's a whole area of research called self-replicating vaccines.
It's been researched by the United Nations.
It goes back to the 1990s, even in South Africa, they were working on these self-replicating vaccines.
And just for the audience to explain, this is where you vaccinate one person or a small cohort of individuals They shed something that is taken up by other members of their village, city, whatever, and then that something has some sort of transfection type of process which then builds antibodies in that person's body as well as building some substance,
nanoparticles, proteins, whatever, genetic material that is then spread to other people.
So it is a self-replicating, never-ending process Like, this is a vaccine that never stops because it keeps building itself.
So that technology exists.
My understanding, and again, we're trying to track down the literature on this, so if you have some, please send it my way.
But that's how they vaccinate wild populations of caribou, buffalo, whatever.
They can't go in there and vaccinate every buffalo on the plains, but they will basically do something like that to create that cross-herd immunity so that you capture a few, you give them the shot, and whatever they're coughing up or spitting up or The antibodies are somehow being increased in the other animals.
Again, the extent to which this is true, that should be a ripe area for investigation.
We should be looking at this very seriously.
If it is true in a human population, and you've just vaccinated three-quarters of the population, two-thirds, whatever it is, you've got a problem, potentially.
I mean, a huge problem, potentially.
I really don't want to see that happen.
I don't think the bad guys want to see that happen, but Back to the precautionary principle.
You do this stuff before you release these things, not after.
Yeah, but perhaps their motivations are not good at all.
Perhaps their motivations are very, very evil.
And by the way, just be careful what you say there about the caribou, because I wouldn't be surprised if Justin Trudeau tries to capture them all and put masks on them.
Yeah, no, no, no.
I think he probably will.
If he wins the election in September, he will probably try that now.
Yeah, I can see a campaign in America.
Fauci says, capture all the wild hogs and vaccinate them, and there'll be a reward or something, because it's pretty insane.
Okay, so here's another big question for you.
Well, actually, I've got many more, but we've talked about the neurological implications so far, but there are also, of course, very strong vascular implications.
Specifically, the Salk Institute, which is a pro-vaccine, pro-science organization, has been part of a published study that determined that the spike protein, which is the antigen target that's used in the vaccines, damages all available healthy cells in the vascular system.
And that it itself, by itself, without any viral replication machinery of any kind, is very damaging to the vascular system.
How can it be that...
That we know, the scientific community knows the spike protein causes damage, but then they say, but it would sure work really well in these vaccines.
Let's inject people with it.
How can those two things coexist?
This comes back to the religious aspect.
Whatever religion people are in, if you go to your church or your synagogue or wherever and you have doubts about something, often the advice you get will be take it on faith.
And that's fine in religion.
But when it comes to this cult science, it's basically take it on faith and don't dare deviate from that faith because you will take the consequence.
Interesting article came out by a New York Times journalist named Melinda Moyers, probably three or four years ago.
And the headline of the article was something like, anti-vaxxers are, you know, confusing vaccine research.
And it wasn't about that at all.
What it was about, and Moyers, by the way, is extremely pro-vaccine.
What it was really about was what happens to the almost 100% pure when they deviate a few percent from the dominant narrative.
They get clobbered by their own.
They get cannibalized.
They get uninvited from meetings.
They get papers rejected.
They get grants turfed.
They get people who won't talk to them anymore in their own communities.
In other words, you have just crossed a religious boundary that you dare not cross unless you want to be shunned.
And so we know there's one very prominent one here in D.C. As far as I can tell, her work is really good.
She studies epidemiology in human populations.
She works on ferrets to understand infectious diseases, respiratory diseases.
She published a couple of papers.
And the stuff she had to put up with before she kind of surrendered was really overwhelming.
And again, I recommend that article.
Go read it and forget the original title and just read it for what it actually says.
And then you see what's happening to people who actually step out of line.
That's extraordinary.
It's cancel culture in the scientific community.
It is, and I have colleagues here at UBC, some of whom are getting a little more militant.
A lot of people write to me and say, listen, we know what you say is true, we have our concerns about this, but I can't say so, because I make so much money per year as a clinical professor of something, and boy, I've got a mortgage, and I've got kids, and they're going to private school, so how can I possibly walk away from it?
Okay, I get it.
And we're seeing this increasingly.
A lot of people have questions.
They just don't dare voice them because you're now considered to be an anti-vaxxer.
All you have to be is 1% off the chart here, and you're now an anti-vaxxer forever.
Well, that's extraordinary, but it makes me wonder, what will these people say to themselves if, as I believe will happen, we start to see literally millions of people in North America dying just in the coming winter?
I mean, we've got almost 200 million Americans vaccinated.
I don't know how many in Canada, but around the world, it's about 2.45 billion people have been vaccinated.
And if we start to see any significant antibody-dependent enhancement effects of any kind, the numbers very quickly start to translate into millions or even tens of millions injured or dead in the subsequent years here.
What are these doctors and scientists going to say then?
I think they will have some trouble looking themselves in the mirror, I would think, I would hope.
It's interesting because, you know, I try to put it in perspective of how people are supposed to stand up to this sort of stuff, stand up to tyranny in general.
When I was growing up, I grew up in the States.
When I grew up in the States, you think, if I had lived in revolutionary times, would I have fought with the rebels against the British crown?
If I had been in France during the Nazi occupation, would I have joined the Maquis?
And everybody growing up says, oh yeah, sure, I would have done that.
Or you're just watching a fiction thing like Star Wars.
Yeah, I would be a rebel.
Sure, I would.
The reality is you wouldn't, most of us.
That's right.
They would join the empire.
Wouldn't do it at all.
And that's what we're seeing is a lot of people, you know, always got excuses.
We know, you know, when we know that there have been some exposés of the resistance in France, you know, after the war, everybody was in the Maquis.
Well, no, actually, it was a very tiny number of people because it was very dangerous.
You weren't going to do it.
And, you know, you come up with rationalization.
Well, I got to feed my family.
I got to do this.
I got to do that.
And you're seeing the same rationalizations play out throughout COVID. I don't, you know, I don't want to prevent myself from traveling, so I'm going to get the vaccine, even though I'm a little suspicious, I should be a little hesitant, but to get on an airplane to go to Hawaii, that's the price I'm going to pay.
You know, you're going to potentially pay a very heavy price for that lovely vacation.
And there's people who don't want to rock the boat because, you know, they're talking about, you know, they're seriously talking about mandates in Canada.
And they're talking about punishment for the non-vaxxers, as in, you know, we are going to get you and make your life so difficult.
So what's coming in as of September 1st in Canada, which is not as democratic as most of you guys down in the States believe, what's coming in on September 1st, if you are not vaccinated or cannot show proof of immunity, you're not getting on an airplane anymore.
That's right.
You're not getting on a train anymore.
We don't know about boats and ferries yet, but that'll come.
I have friends in the Canadian military.
They're basically told to get the shots or get out, and many of them are getting out.
So we're seeing this kind of coercion, which if you understand what the Helsinki document and the Nuremberg document were all about, was free and informed consent with no coercion.
That's coercion.
Even at my university, the president of the university is mulling the idea of mandating vaccines for everybody to be on campus, as they have done in the University of California, as they've done in other places in Canada, and not recognizing that a lot of people are going to pay the price for this if it goes ahead.
And that is pure state of exception.
And I have to use the term, it's pure fascism.
It's pure medical fascism.
Well, it's almost like they're acting as if this virus had a 50% mortality rate or something, which it doesn't.
Right.
We're really clear on this.
It's not that lethal.
It's just not.
That's right.
It isn't very lethal.
There's almost no absolute benefit to a vaccine, even if the vaccine works.
It's almost all on the risk side.
You're adding this additional risk, but no actual benefit from an epidemiological point of view.
We saw that New Zealand has shut down their entire country now as of today because of one so-called case of COVID, which I believe is an asymptomatic person.
So never in the history of medical science have we ever gone around the healthy population, the asymptomatic healthy population, run PCR tests on them to determine if they contain a single strand of a genetic sequence of, let's say, measles or run PCR tests on them to determine if they contain a single strand of a genetic sequence of, let's say, measles or polio or something of that kind, and then lock down the entire
You know, if that's the new definition of disease, humanity will be locked down forever because everybody's carrying all kinds of stuff all the time and it doesn't make them sick.
No, it doesn't.
But I think, you know, if you take the much broader view, you know, what's this all about?
Is this just about vaccines?
Well, I think vaccines are the pointy end of the sphere.
I don't think this is the whole game.
I think this is Klaus Schwab and his great reset.
I really do.
And I think Klaus Schwab, you know, people call people who are vaccine hesitant or vaccine...
Even, you know, calling the Anthony Baxters is basically the idea that somehow we're a bunch of all alt-right, you know, neo-Nazis just waiting to, you know, bring back fascism to North America.
Well, actually, the real Nazis are on the other side.
The real Nazis are Klaus Schwab's daddy was a Nazi.
Klaus is acting like a Nazi, you know, and when the idea that somehow the solution to the problems of infectious disease in the world are to control all humans, you know, For the benefit of the Club of Davos, then you see who the real Nazis are.
So, you know, Klaus's daddy didn't get his Third Reich, but Klaus is aiming for the Fourth Reich, I think.
Yeah, we are living in the Fourth Reich.
It's a medical dictatorship.
It's hard to imagine the United States, of all countries, succumbing to this, because I think people in the United States, again, I'm kind of remembering my American background, is I think a lot of people down there have their heads screwed on a lot better than they do up here.
Canada is just, you know, most people drank the Kool-Aid.
Well, let me ask you about that.
Yeah.
That is our perception of Canada, by the way.
Now, I live in Texas, so we are really the remaining free American.
We may be the Republic of Texas again soon, the way things are going.
You know, we're all armed.
You know, we're not taking vaccine passports.
Our governor has already banned it and everything.
But we look at Canada and we say, my God, it's the great white cult, you know?
I mean, they've all drank the Kool-Aid, like you said, and they're going along with these insane protocols.
Now, Canadian people, the ones that I know, are very polite.
It's a very civilized society, by and large.
But it's also very obedient, even when authorities are carrying out acts of harm, or perhaps, arguably, genocide, against their own people.
So it's kind of like the Canadian people, from our view, are so polite that they will walk themselves into the Holocaust gas chambers and gladly celebrate while they're being mass-murdered.
Is that an accurate description, or...?
Two things became really clear during COVID during the last stages of the record.
One is Scientific literacy, in a real sense, not just a corporate sense, in a real sense is actually appallingly bad.
And that mostly falls on, I hate to say this, it falls on a lot of people on the left where I normally identify.
And certainly the public at large clearly doesn't understand what science can and cannot see.
So that was one revelation.
I was surprised at that, actually.
The second thing is, I think...
We're looking at this giant Stanley Milgram experiment where people obey authority and will do the most appalling things to their fellow citizens because someone in authority told them to.
And I think that's what you see playing out.
So a lot of my previous political...
Lack of sophistication was, you know, I think red state, blue state, and liberals versus Democrats, and this kind of Democrat, or, you know, Republicans versus Democrats, or, you know, all those kinds of divisions.
I'm beginning to think that a lot of those are really artificial.
What it's really going to come down to, and it's going to be, you know, the small group on one side, which is the people who really believe in freedom of choice, and freedom for other people to make their own decisions, versus a lot of people who don't.
And that's why governments do state of exception stuff because they can get away with it because most people are going to say, yes, lock them down.
Just for your education or any of your listeners, go to any of the articles on COVID on CBC or Canadian Broadcasting, which has become kind of a joke because it's the COVID Broadcasting Corporation now, not the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.
So when you look at this and you look at the comments of people, the level of totalitarian thinking is overwhelming.
Yeah, they want to lock down people.
They want to leave people in their rooms to die.
They say, you know, you shouldn't even be able to go to grocery stores, you vile spreaders of disease.
And the Delta variant, you're going to kill everyone's grandma.
What's the matter with you?
Just take the damn vaccine already.
That kind of mentality is so prevalent here that it's really, really disturbing because it basically means these people do not believe in democracy really.
They will do what the government tells them to do.
And the government, of course, loves that because that gives them more authority to do more stuff.
And they will.
This doesn't end.
This doesn't end with they're going to say, oh, well, okay, we're all done now.
We're going to go back to the way it was.
The Charter of Rights and Freedoms prevails again.
No, it doesn't.
It didn't mean much before.
It sure as hell doesn't mean anything now.
Well, you mentioned the Milgram experiments, which is the psychology experiment of torture.
And I think it was like two-thirds or 70% of the people went along with torture levels that were fatal.
Yeah, maybe it was more.
But I see this also as a giant global Stanford prison experiment where they give authority to certain people.
And say, you are the guards, and those other people, the unvaccinated people, they are the prisoners, and now you must enforce your authority upon them.
And as we saw in the Stanford experiment, those selected guards who were just graduate students playing a role, suddenly they became incredibly cruel.
And they were tormenting the other graduate students' role-playing the prisoners.
This is now happening on a massive scale.
These are, in my view, crimes against humanity.
And the long-term psychological trauma to this, beyond the biophysiological trauma of the spike protein itself, but just think about the imprinting of the mental trauma to people.
It's unprecedented, I think, in the history of our world.
It is.
Imagine now children growing up this way.
Imagine children, small children.
I have three small children.
And we don't mask them.
We wouldn't even think of it.
Imagine that other kids are walking around seeing strangers or people they know covered with masks.
What must they be thinking?
How are they going to learn language skills?
They can't see your mouth.
How are they going to learn basic interactions amongst human beings?
You don't get this stuff until you're older than a couple years old.
Your ability to accomplish these kinds of social tasks is going to be very limited.
You're going to have a generation of damaged people like that.
And I'm sure there'll be interesting papers coming out 10 years from now on how many kids we screwed up.
But I don't think the number is going to be trivial.
I think a lot of kids are really happy.
And we know a lot of kids, even teenagers, are having an enormous struggle.
I have a teenage daughter also.
In her school, I think the peer pressure to get the vaccine, the peer pressure to behave in a certain way.
You know, she's tough, and I've taught her well.
But I think that she is, you know, under enormous stress all the time, basically trying to navigate the This new world that no one, well, not no one, I think Event 201 knew it was coming, but the rest of us didn't really know it was coming.
And so the changes in social structures and in interactions, I think, are going to be devastating.
I don't see how we get back from this easily, except to create our own communities that will basically try and be as normal as possible.
Yeah, I'm not sure how we get back.
Right.
Oh, there's so many areas here, but here's something I wanted to ask you about the convergence of environmental or dietary toxins combined with the effects of this vaccine.
Now, you are an expert on aluminum, among other toxic elements, and how they interact with vaccines in the immune system and neurology and so on.
Do you have any indication right now or concern with a basis That dietary exposure or environmental exposure to aluminum or perhaps pesticides or perhaps lead, which is in water pipes all over America, or other environmental factors may exacerbate the effects of, for example, blood clotting in vaccines or vascular damage from spike proteins.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
One of the things that's emerging in neurological disease research for, again, for the age-related neurological diseases is, and I think more and more investigators are kind of coming out of their little separate solitudes of either it's all genes or it's all environment.
And I think we're all beginning to recognize that what happens is a kind of a perfect storm.
You may have a genetic propensity for something.
You may have a certain DNA sequence that makes you more likely to react in a certain way.
But when you combine it with the various toxins, and we live in a very toxic environment.
Aluminum is only one of those toxic things.
When you combine it with something like a mass vaccination event, and you push it down, especially down into kids, and you still live in a toxic environment, I think you're creating that condition of the perfect storm for a lot of people.
And I think that's exactly where we're going to see it shake out.
I mean, again, if we lived in a totally pristine environment where there was no toxic things all over the place, it might be better.
But I don't think it would make the problem go away.
But certainly having the toxicity overall in the environment is...
In my view, more likely to create a long-term problem for a lot of people and maybe even a lot of the population that will respond to these combined ways of, you know, their genetic alterations and toxicity.
And I think throwing an experimental vaccine on top of it where you have this spike protein which is toxic and the mRNA constructs wandering all over the place, I think you're just asking for a disaster.
When you say perfect storm, if you don't mind me asking you to elaborate on that, are you saying that perhaps there's a certain toxic burden that up to a point can be recovered with very little harm, but then beyond a certain tipping point, it's catastrophic neurological damage?
Yeah, I think so.
One of the things that comes out in especially Lou Gehrig's disease research is That you, and especially in the animal model studies, is that you can tolerate a lot of stuff for a while.
But when you reach that some sort of critical threshold, that last straw, all of a sudden you get into what's called cascading failure.
All of a sudden things go downhill really rapidly.
And I think that's probably, you know, we're going to build up to that point.
And this combination of things, especially if you do boosters every year and you keep doing this and you keep doing this and keep doing this, you are going to basically, I think, put a lot of people over the edge.
And when you do, again, when you do, you have a societal disaster.
Who's going to take care of it?
I remember a talk I heard from a guy who used to run the Brodick Institute at Harvard.
And he was basically just talking about Alzheimer's.
This was like 10 years ago.
He was talking about Alzheimer's disease.
So the rate of increase in Alzheimer's disease, partially because of population increases in the elderly, partially because of other stuff, is going to become so bad that the Alzheimer's disease features alone in so many people is going to collapse your medical system.
Now imagine that we have done it through this, you know, adding this extra layer on top of the toxins, on top of everything else, on top of the aluminum and regular vaccines, and now we're going to put experimental vaccines into the mix, too.
If you've got a 10% increase in neurological disease, your medical system would be gone.
I mean, gone.
So, okay, what you're saying, it's very scary, but it makes a lot of sense, but I want to ask you even more.
I apologize for digging more on this, but specifically, for those who are not experts in neurology, What are we going to observe in the victims suffering from this in terms of just their phenotype expression?
What are they going to look like and act like and talk like, or are they going to talk at all?
And how are we going to...
Because if you were to say to me, well, people are going to look like they've lost their minds.
I was like, well, we're already there in America.
People are going to be driving off the roads with their cars.
We're already there.
I mean, what are we going to see specifically that's different from the insanity we have now?
I think you're going to see, and again, it's speculation, I think you're going to see a lot of autoimmune diseases.
I think it's going to start really raring its head.
And these autoimmune diseases are largely not treatable, at least by allopathic medicine.
So I think you're going to see a lot of that.
And it will take some time, but I think you're going to see an increase in neurological disorders.
Of a very serious nature.
And, you know, am I right about that?
No, not necessarily.
But that's what my fear is.
And that's what my, you know, everything I've done so far in science leads me to think could happen.
And, of course, if it does, then, you know, then what do we do?
Especially, you know, what do we do if we haven't thought about it until it starts to happen?
You know, when we need to be thinking about it is now we need to be saying, well, what if this were to happen?
Even if it's, you know, even if it's unlikely.
The United States and Canada and all the countries that can afford this sort of research need to be basically saying, okay, let's just pretend this happens.
Probably unlikely, but what if?
What would we do if all of a sudden 10% of the population expresses a neurological disease?
What would we do if 20% of the population starts expressing autoimmunity?
What are we going to do with it?
Who's going to pay for it?
Well, I think part of the answer is...
I think part of the answer to your question can probably be found in looking at the way municipalities treat homeless right now or treat veterans right now.
And that answer is it's atrocious.
There's virtually no mental health treatment among homeless.
They simply set aside tent city areas and just house the mentally ill in Los Angeles and just say, there you go.
Are we looking at maybe entire city regions of mentally ill or mentally damaged?
I don't know if handicapped is the right word, but I mean neurologically damaged individuals who are barely unable to care for themselves.
Is that our future?
Yeah, you know, I'm afraid of that.
And what happens then?
Who's taking care of it?
Well, you are.
Okay?
Because, you know, the system won't be overwhelmed.
Who's going to take care of it?
And what happens then when you're doing full-time care for somebody who has an neurological disease?
What are you going to do?
How are you going to eat?
How are you going to pay your mortgage?
How are you going to, you know, do anything?
You better have someone else in the family who can do it.
But another ethical question here, and I'm asking this as kind of playing devil's advocate, but why should we care for them when they wanted to imprison us for not being vaccinated?
Because we are better people.
Exactly.
Right.
I just want to throw that out there.
That's one of the discussions that's happening in the CCCA group.
In other words, Even though many people who are vaccinated and a certain number of medical doctors say, basically, if you didn't get the vaccine, you're on your own.
Too bad for you.
I don't want to be like that.
I don't want to abandon my fellow human beings if they made a mistake.
And I think actually what you're going to see is you're going to see a lot of people that have been damaged by these vaccines become very ardent in their opposition to vaccinating everybody to some mandate.
I mean, you know, where does, you know, the so-called anti-vaxxer movement, I hate using the term, it's a pejorative term, but where does it come from?
Is it formed by people like me who did the science and looked at something in aluminum and said, oh my goodness, this is not a good thing?
No.
It's mostly people who ran into the buzzsaw because they trusted their pediatrician, they went and got the kid fully vaxxed, and now your kid has a neurological disorder.
That's somewhere on the ASD spectrum.
That's where your rebels are coming from.
They ran into the saw, and they now know what happens.
That's where I think you're going to see a lot of people starting to ask the questions.
Because they watch someone, their grandma, or somebody else get sick and die.
And when they're done denying it or blaming the people who are not vaccinating, then they're going to realize that it was not the people who were not vaccinated.
It was your good old government that did it to you.
Then what's going to happen?
That's going to be interesting.
Wow.
Wow.
You're not kidding.
Now, we're just about out of time, but I want to ask you about your book, Dispatches from the Vaccine Wars.
And I'm going to talk to your publisher and ask for a suggestion, perhaps from you or your publisher.
Could we publish an excerpt from that book?
But give us a little teaser right now about some of the astonishing things that people will learn in your book once it's released August 31st.
Okay.
I mean, I started the book because I wanted to try and bring some sort of rational balance to the whole subject of vaccines and health.
And, you know, of course, you know, those certain people are going to fall off and others are going to say, oh, he's just an anti-vaxxer.
Of course, he's going to say negative stuff.
I actually tried to be as neutral as I could for as long as I could.
And then I read all the CDC studies.
Again, that took years off my life.
So it's pretty heavy science to begin with.
I look at aluminum.
I look at mercury.
I look at what happened to Andy Wakefield.
I look at a whole bunch of things like that.
And then I actually get into looking at kind of what I guess, at least I think, is the bigger picture.
And that is the state of exception sort of thing.
The kind of the paradigm of government, regardless of whether you're left, right, or center, is basically to seize more control from citizens and basically diminish civil and natural rights as much as possible.
I look at the religious aspects of it and how really a lot of it is cult behavior.
And this is Jonestown kind of stuff in many cases.
And then I try and approach the questions, okay, what are we going to do?
And then, of course, there's a whole thing that ate up six months of book writing was COVID because COVID is this moving target.
And we don't know a lot.
I started that part of the book There was less to know, and now we're learning a lot.
You know, we're learning, for example, that it probably is a gain-of-function experiment from Mulan.
You know, yes, Tony Fauci paid for it, you know, and basically they were messing around with stuff, and they created this thing, and, you know, whether it was deliberate or they just escaped by sloppy lapers, We don't know.
But it looks a lot like a gain-of-function mutation that was played with.
Look at that.
Look at the pathophysiology of COVID. Look at the demographics from the CDC and Health Canada.
And look at What do we do about this?
What if this happens?
Is this just Shaw being kind of this crazy conspiracy theorist and everything's really fine and it's all good?
Or are we really looking at a world coup?
And I think we are.
I think we're looking at a world coup.
And I think it's the Schwabs and the Gateses and some of the others and other people that I haven't figured out yet that basically they decided to go big and tried to put us all under their control.
And I think to some measure they've succeeded.
The question is, do we have to take it?
What are we going to do about it?
How are we going to fight back?
And where does this lead us?
And again, I'm developing, against my normal lefty instincts, I'm developing a lot of fondness for red states now.
Texas, Montana, Wyoming.
I wish I were there because that would be a little safer place to be.
In fact, you know, that's one of the reasons my whole family is moving up to about 50 miles north of where I live to get to a area of British Columbia where people are a little more independent minded, where people think more for themselves, where they do not necessarily believe Every word that comes out of Justin's mouth is golden.
And you can actually have a rational discussion about those things.
And where people, you know, are not so determined to tell you what to do with your own body.
I mean, you remember with the women, you know, some of the women's rights movements of, you know, believe the women.
You know, if they said they've been sexually assaulted, you know, you're supposed to believe them.
Well, what happened to believe...
The moms or the dads when somebody gets injured.
What happened to that?
We leave you under some circumstances, not others.
That kind of level of hypocrisy is stunning.
Our Prime Minister characterizes that.
He's a champion of that sort of stuff.
Well, we really welcome former leftists in the free states of the United States.
And by the way, I don't divide the world into left-right either.
I interviewed Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
I did, and I'm beginning to realize, again, it comes down to you either believe in freedom for all human beings and choice, or you don't.
And if you don't, then I want to live someplace where people are in the first camp, not the second.
Well, also, it's pretty clear to me, and by the way, we've got to wrap this up, but it's pretty clear to me that those who resist the vaccines are going to be the survivors.
And it means that since the governments of the world can't vaccinate us all, they can't kill us all.
But who they are going to kill are many of their obedient followers.
Yeah.
And so think about the dynamics of how that changes the resulting demographics of Canada, the United States, Europe, and so on, because it's a different world.
It's a different world.
And also their enforcement arm, because they're vaccinating all the police and the military, their enforcement arm is going to become, those are going to be some of the first casualties of this.
And so their ability to put the boot on your neck in the middle of the night is going to diminish because, first of all, I don't think it would happen in the United States because I think too many people are independence-minded down there.
But I think their capacity is going to diminish rather dramatically.
So they basically succeeded, I think, to cull a lot of their own people.
And we're already having people leave our Canadian forces just because they don't want to go through this.
And they see clearly what's coming.
You sure you don't want to make investments in the body bag business right now?
It's a thought.
We're looking at real estate.
Real estate is off the map here in terms of price, and I'm thinking it's going to get a lot cheaper soon.
That's right.
Sadly, because there will be a lot fewer people being able to throw that kind of money around anymore.
Yeah, I've been trying to explain the same thing to my audience, and they get it, but think about real estate.
Yeah, what's going to happen?
Because your demand side of people still alive who need a place to live is going to, you know, sharply drop.
It's going to change everything.
Silver lining, there'll be a lot of empty houses, so there you go.
That's true.
That's right.
I'm sort of joking, but not really.
It's kind of a grim joke, but I think that's going to happen.
I think we're going to find that there are going to be so many ill people that we're not going to know what to do.
No, I have to make jokes about all this, too, because it's so insane.
Yesterday, some Australian official announced that people drinking alcohol in public are no longer allowed to remove their masks when they're drinking alcohol.
And I had to joke and say, well, I guess next they're going to require everybody in Australia to poop with their pants on.
Probably, yeah.
And most people will comply.
That's the sad part about it.
They'll just, okay.
And wow, here we are.
I hope there's a threshold for a lot of people where they're finally going to look at this and go, that's just ridiculous.
That's just one too many things.
I don't know if it's the third shot or the fourth shot.
Or yeah, you have to put your pants on, whatever it's going to be.
I think...
A lot of people are underneath somewhat rational, and they're going to start to wake up and begin to question the official narrative.
I certainly hope so.
I certainly hope so before they get the third shot.
You may have more faith in humanity than I do at this point, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I think we will.
The key idea of the book was to give average people a means to To dissect the BS that's coming out from government and to begin to fight back from basis of knowledge.
And whether I'm completely right or completely wrong, at least it gives an alternative view that I hope will empower people to actually look at this more critically than they have before.
For example, most people I know who took the vaccine, they give more thought to what they're going to have for breakfast than the research on what they're about to put in their body.
And that's surprising to me.
Well, we're all preparing for whatever possibilities.
And just to give you an idea, here in Texas, we're preparing for zombie hunting drones that carry agricultural flamethrowers.
How about that?
Yeah, okay.
Might not be legal in Canada.
I don't know, but those are actually legal in most of the United States.
It's shocking.
But there you go.
All right.
Of course, I'm joking.
We're not using drone-mounted flamethrowers.
We carry them on our backs.
Okay, thank you.
That's far better.
Yes, much better.
But no, jokes aside, this has been a serious subject.
It's a very sobering subject.
It's kind of gallows humor, but I appreciate you, Dr.
Shaw, and your analysis and your views, and thank you for joining us today.
It's been quite a bit of a horrifying education, but it's important.
Sorry about that, but thanks for having me.
Well, thank you.
All right, take care.
And for those of you watching, feel free to repost this interview on any platform you'd like.
We've got to get the word out, and be sure to check out Dr.
Shaw's new book.
It's The Dispatches from the Vaccine Wars, coming out August 31st.
You can pre-order it at Barnes& Noble and Amazon and other booksellers.
Thank you for supporting his work by purchasing that book.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.com and Brighteon Conversations.
I've got to get back to my drone-mounted flamethrower, so we'll talk to you later.
Thanks for watching.
Thank you.
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