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April 29, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Welcome everyone to this latest interview of Brighton Conversations.
Today we have the return of a very popular guest.
He's an expert in the rise and fall of civilizations.
He's read over a thousand books on what makes civilizations work and what makes them fall.
And he has urgent warnings for the potential fall of Western civilization under which we live today, but also how we could avert that and save ourselves.
We spoke to him a few weeks ago, and the audience had a huge reaction.
I just loved this interview, so we decided to continue today with Fred Markert, who is with the IsaacNewtonProject.com, and also a new website called The Great Awakening...
I'm sorry...
Greatawakeningproject.net.
So he joins us today for more discussions on these topics.
Fred, it's great to have you with us.
Thank you for joining me today.
Mike, it's so great to be with you.
I sure appreciate you and what you do and this opportunity to share ideas with your audience.
Well, your ideas are certainly resonating with a lot of people right now.
And let's just jump right into it.
How about summarizing our conversation last time?
You had many warnings, signs about the fall of our current civilization, the loss of morality, the loss of the rule of law and so on.
And you spoke about the great awakening as the most important step that America can take.
Now, since then, we've seen the accelerating decline of the rule of law.
We've seen mayors of Democrat cities utterly abandoning even any pretense of police.
Over this last weekend, we saw a man dragged out of his car and beaten half to death by a mob in Portland with no police around, while the Democrat lawmakers claim this is all peaceful.
So, what does this mean for our society, this acceleration of violence and lawlessness and immorality?
In your view, what does this mean?
What should we take from this acceleration?
Yeah.
Well, Mike, I really believe with everything that I've come to understand over the past 20 years about the rise and fall of civilizations, I believe we're headed for a crash, that we're headed 100 miles per hour towards a solid concrete wall.
And what we're seeing in our society in every realm, the breakdown of unifying customs, which is critical for society to hold together, multiculturalism means we have very few unifying customs anymore.
The great political division we're seeing is the example of the kind of politics and dynamics you see at the end of a civilization's life.
In the stage called late decadence, which we're in, where it's the decay of unifying customs, morality, justice, etc.
And so I believe that we're headed 100 miles an hour for a concrete wall.
It's increasing and accelerating, I think, in a way that most people are...
It's left them a little dazzled, befuddled.
How did this happen so quickly?
It's actually been building for about 90 years, but it's been since 2014 that the gears have really kicked into high gear and are driving us towards this concrete wall.
So I believe without some really dramatic things happening in our society, we're going to hit a concrete wall in the very near future.
So you mentioned 2014.
Those were, of course, the midterm elections and the last term of President Obama.
What, in your view, was the triggering event in 2014 that really set this acceleration into motion?
Well, the thing in 2014, Mike, was that it was the very first generation that was raised with digital paraphernalia, iPads, iPhones, with social media.
It was the year they became freshmen in college and university.
And digital media has so dramatically impacted how they see the world, how they interact with one another, that this incoming freshman group literally were primed for today what some people call, for becoming what some people call social justice warriors.
This generation was very, very concerned about justice and correcting the ills they saw in society, but a number of things happened.
With social media, they could quickly spread their offenses in a way that they couldn't have before.
So one person gets offended over some slight here or there, and suddenly it goes out to a whole generation, which creates a whole mob dynamic in rising up, To respond to that.
But on top of that, there was another unique thing about this generation.
They were much less emotionally resilient than previous generations.
It's because they were protected their whole lives.
It was back in the late 80s.
When there were some very high-profile child abductions and into the early 90s, and kids who used to be free-range kids growing up, you know, like myself, we would leave the house at 8am in the summer and my parents just wanted us home when it got dark.
And so that meant we had many, many hours every day of unsupervised play, where we had to learn at very young ages a number of things.
We could get on the bus and go downtown.
We could wander through the woods and build forts and whatever we were doing.
So it allowed us to really explore creativity and playtime together.
Of course, when kids are interacting, they also get into conflict.
And so we had to learn how do we resolve our conflicts with one another when there aren't any parents around, right?
But then, when these abductions happened, parents became what are called helicopter parents.
No more were kids allowed outside.
Parents scheduled play dates.
And so there was always an adult figure around.
If the kids got into a fight, they didn't have to learn how to resolve the conflict themselves, because the parent would intervene and say, Johnny, Susie, you must share your toys, etc.
The parent intervened to resolve the conflict.
It also taught the kids, we need to look to an authority to resolve all the conflicts.
So rather than learning conflict resolution and proper relationships as adults, they were geared to think of, whenever I'm offended, call in the authorities to resolve it.
It seems like it's become so much worse now with the COVID-19 lockdowns and denying children access to schools.
And the social interaction that takes place at school.
And some amount of play, at least social play at school.
When you and I were young, I know I walked to school every day for years.
Today, parents won't even let their kids walk to school.
They are hyper-protected.
and as a result there's a whole generation that have become psychologically fragile, non-adaptive.
They can't handle anything in the world that challenges their current worldview.
And this is what, I agree with what you're saying, but I think this is what leads them to say that, for example, misgendering someone is an act of violence, but when they commit acts of violence against the police, that's an act of free speech.
Right.
It's this warped moral character that we have in our society now.
They never learned how to resolve conflict with one another.
They didn't have to get themselves out of a jam.
Like I remember times, I got my little brother stuck high up in a tree and there was no one around.
We had to figure out how do we get my little brother down out of the tree, right?
We had to be creative.
To problem solve.
Instead, they're just geared towards looking to authorities to problem solve.
And of course, that authority is the university administration.
They want to be protected from any ideas that threaten them, right?
So we have not a lack of free speech in our universities because, as you've said, they define words as violence.
You know, long ago, we've I've forgotten what we grew up with.
You know, sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me, you know?
And that's true.
Words are not violence.
If we don't have words, if we can't talk to each other about ideas, then violence is the last resort to resolve our conflict.
And so you have a whole generation of young people who look to authority, so they're geared towards socialism, which so many of the surveys show that the younger generation really desires socialism.
They look for that authority rather than taking responsibility for themselves.
They look for people to protect them from being offended.
And so the only way they know how to resolve this is really through the violence we're seeing on our streets.
They don't know how to talk it out.
It's illegal in this new secular religion of political correctness.
You can't talk, so it only leads to this kind of violence.
Well, right, and they've hijacked language.
They don't allow you to use words that they find offensive, and they silence all points of view with which they disagree.
So you're right.
They don't know how to engage in dialogue.
They don't know how to solve problems through speaking.
And they've been taught through bad parenting and bad schooling and now bad mayors and bad governors that if they, the social justice warriors, just scream and blame and throw a temper tantrum, or as I call now a terror tantrum in cities like or as I call now a terror tantrum in cities like Portland, then they will get what they want because that's what they've been It's been reinforced again and again.
If they seize the student union building at the university, then the university administrator will fire all the people they want fired or tell them they don't have to take final exams.
They've been taught this.
It's been reinforced.
Yes.
Exactly right, Mike.
And it's not going to get better because when you get whatever you incentivize, right?
So many mayors are incentivizing this behavior by even declaring up front, we will not prosecute people who participate in riots.
And there's a difference on the streets between the peaceful protests and the rioting that's happening.
And The rioters use the cover of the peaceful protests to commit rioting, and the news goes along with it, doesn't report it for what it really is.
Mike, and so it's produced something in our society.
Let me just show, can I share my screen and share some things with you guys?
Yeah, go ahead.
Let me share a screen.
Here's what it's produced.
Sociologists track five, what they call the moral matrix, they track five different moral traits.
Care, fairness, loyalty, authority, and sanctity, right?
And what is the opposite of these that they track?
Harm, care and harm.
Fairness cheating, loyalty and betrayal, authority and subversion, and sanctity and degradation.
And what has happened when sociologists track this in society, they've actually measured these five characteristics according to people's political beliefs.
Are you guys seeing the graphs and everything I'm showing?
Okay, great.
So they tracked from on the left, very liberal, to on the right, very conservative.
And they tracked, you know, Politically speaking, when people are on this spectrum, where are they at in the moral matrix?
So strongly endorse, strongly reject on the left, you know, that axis.
And here's what we see.
People who are very liberal are very high and sensitive to care and harm.
So that's really what drives them.
It's a very emotional thing.
They look out for the underdog.
They look out for whoever they perceive is oppressed.
They also track very, very high in fairness.
So they're always thinking equality, but they don't mean equality of opportunity, which really built our country.
They mean equality of outcome, that everyone should have the same outcome, whether they work hard or not, whether they apply themselves or not, whether they could go to higher education or not.
Everyone should have the same outcome in the end.
They track low in loyalty, right?
So that's a very low value to them.
So that's why people who are concerned about care and harm and fairness, and they're not thinking about borders, right?
Like, they're looking at the illegal immigrants and saying, oh, these people just want a better life.
We are a rich country.
Why can't we have them come into our country?
So they don't have a sense of loyalty to what the American nation, they're just thinking about how do we help these other people.
They track on the left, the farther left you go, the lower they are in respect for authority.
That's why you see them on the streets burning police cars and trying to burn down courthouses and really being anti-government in every way they can.
And they're also very low in sanctity.
So they don't have a high sense of Judeo-Christian ethics that our country was founded on.
As you look at this graph, though, the farther right you go, these social scientists who are not believers in any way, in fact, the social scientists who put this matrix together and did all the studies, they're atheists, and they show that the farther to the right or more conservative a person is, they have a balance of all five of these moral values.
And so people on the right tend to be more balanced.
People on the left tend to be more emotional and reactive.
And that comes out of the dynamics we were talking about of growing up where there was always an adult to resolve things, not having to learn how to do things on your own and resolve your own conflicts.
So this moral matrix, it shows the divide as well, Mike.
This is why we're divided and why it's very unlikely to change very soon.
Now, I personally was a person of the left.
I was a communist, atheist, Marxist, revolutionary leader.
So I very much was tracking on that very liberal end.
And that's kind of my natural orientation.
And it's only when I actually became a believer in Jesus Christ that I let him, I let God, God's word and God's laws impact my moral values.
So now if I was tested, I would come out as pretty equal on all those five moral values.
And I think that's really what we need in our society.
We need to return to Judeo-Christian moral values, and we'll see a shift to a more balanced country, politically, economically, and every other way.
Well, this is certainly fascinating, Fred, and thanks for showing us that.
A couple of questions.
I think, number one, this helps explain why when conservatives view the actions of extreme liberals, those liberals appear to be mentally ill.
You've heard this a lot, you know, liberalism is a mental illness, and it's because of that sharp difference in values and, I guess, perceptions of the world.
But secondly, it seems like much of what the media does today and what social media does is designed to amp up that emotional reaction of radical leftists.
Mike, you just nailed it.
In fact, the creators of social media, one of the co-founders of Facebook and others have all spoken out.
They've left these companies and they actually, some of them call it a cancer.
They've acknowledged publicly that they specifically designed social media to be addictive.
It's just as addictive as heroin or other drugs.
You get dopamine rushes when you get likes.
And there's the mob mentality, right?
So they designed it that way on purpose.
They acknowledge this.
Anyone can Google, you'll find it.
And like I think I mentioned in the previous podcast together is that Bill Gates and Steve Jobs did not allow their children to use tablets and smartphones to use social media for this very reason.
They knew how destructive it is.
And so that it really is.
So that generation that came into university in 2014, the first generation using so familiar with social media, it built this mob that is now graduated in 2018 from university.
They're placed into our corporations and they're driving this agenda in our corporations, in our newsrooms, in our newsrooms.
That's why Gillette, I mean, I used to use Gillette razors, and last year Gillette did this big media campaign on toxic masculinity.
Yeah.
The dumbest ad campaign ever in the history of consumer products.
Absolutely.
And you know what?
They lost $8 billion in sales because of it.
And that's because of all of these people coming out of college and into newsrooms like CNN and these other organizations, BuzzFeed, whatever, and going into corporations and driving the agenda.
Well, you're right that the pressure to censor conservative voices at corporations like Facebook and Google and so on, that pressure comes from internal, from their own staffers, who are doing the same thing they did when they were in college.
They're screaming and pouting and they're having sit-ins inside the corporations and saying, oh, you have to censor conservatives.
You know, this Christian group.
You have to censor these Trump supporters.
And so then the corporations cave to their own internal radical left-wing employees.
And that's exactly what's happening.
And that's why Disney just announced a new animated film for children that features the first bisexual character.
And this is being celebrated by Disney and this has happened following news over the last week of Hasbro and other companies releasing children's dolls that one of them has a secret button in the doll's crotch that when you press the button the doll goes into orgasmic verbal spasms and then other dolls when you dip them in cold water Lingerie and tattoos appear on the dolls,
and this is all being sold in the United States, like a secret pedophile grooming culture that no one on the left is speaking out against.
Right.
Well, absolutely, Mike.
I hadn't heard those examples.
In one way, I'm horrified and shocked and disgusted at we're robbing our children of their youth through this, you know, by exposing them to things that they're really not emotionally or mentally prepared to understand or see along with With things like Drag Queen Story Hour.
Now, I don't believe...
I believe we should win the war of ideas and have ideas that are so far superior to those ideas that we win the majority of the population and this kind of behavior stops that way rather than...
I just think this is horrendous.
We are absolutely in late decadence.
We are rushing for that societal collapse.
No society that does this to their young children can survive.
Yeah, go ahead.
Well, there's a big question.
I mean, I don't feel like we've connected the dots here yet.
Why does what you're describing and what we've covered so far in this interview, why does that lead to collapse?
How does that happen?
I mean, someone watching this as a skeptic could just say, well, so what?
So it's an immoral society, but it's going to continue just like it has been.
You know, the banks are going to keep printing money.
People are going to keep Shopping at Starbucks or whatever.
Why does this lead to collapse?
Okay.
Well, Mike...
Because of people's inability to resolve conflict, to allow others to speak, there's no way to resolve our political differences.
If you take everything else out of the equation, you can say that some people are hardwired to have a balance of all those five moral characteristics and And other members of the population are hardwired to have a personality type that focuses on the care and fairness emotions, right?
This is all throughout history.
You always have this political left and right, okay?
People are born with these two different orientations.
The only way that you don't gravitate to the extreme is if you've been socialized well.
You've learned as a child how to get along with your brothers and sisters, and you're not the only person in the house who matters.
You've learned as a child how to come to agreement of how you're going to play a new game that you've just corporately created.
What are the rules?
You've learned how to compromise and negotiate.
You've learned how to resolve conflict.
You've learned how to innovate together, even though you have these stark differences.
Well, now people aren't being socialized anymore to be able to bridge this divide.
And the way one sociologist explains it, Mike, is your civilization is on a mesa.
It's like a flat plateau with steep cliffs.
I'm not sure if we talked about this last time.
No, we didn't.
Okay.
So your civilization is a mesa on a high plateau, and And your civilization, think of it as a rabbit running, and it runs to the left, and it gets close to the edge, and then, you know, you turn it around and it runs to the right, and it goes back and forth, and the rabbit is trying to keep from falling off the mesa.
And that's what the political left and political right are in any culture when they're healthy.
Your society tends at different phases to go to the right or to the left, and when you get too far to the edge, the other side pulls you back more towards the middle, right?
Because there's an ability to compromise, ability to talk, right?
An ability to compromise, ability to problem solve, an ability to innovate together, and a willingness to live together with differing ideas.
And that's all gone now.
That's gone.
We're just going farther and farther, getting more and more divided, and literally, Mike, we are going edge to edge, literally.
That's where we're at now, barely pulling back from the edge as each side takes the White House.
It's not going to get any better because...
These social dynamics are going to take at least a generation to work out of our system, and that is after there's an awareness that it's a problem.
And it's probably going to take a generation before there's even...
So just talking about in a normal situation, it will take a whole generation to be aware that there's a problem, another generation to fix it, but I don't believe we have that much time.
I think we're going to hit the wall way before we have even awareness.
Unless something dramatic happens.
Well, we'll talk about that, but to use your metaphor, so the radical left, for example, if they take the White House in this election, they're going to drive us off that mesa and, you know, to bring in, they're going to have like Wild E. Coyote dropping explosives off the edge of the cliff to kill everybody with whom they disagree, right?
The radical left have become wildly intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them.
So under the label of tolerance and inclusiveness and diversity, they now demand obedience, conformity, and homogeneity of philosophical ideas.
So they are exactly the opposite of what they claim to be.
And the other thing I want to bring in, Fred, is that There was a time, as you were describing that left versus right balance, there was a time when, whether you were a Democrat or a Republican or an Independent, you still cared for America.
You wanted the country to succeed.
You wanted a brighter future for your children.
Now I think that we have bad faith actors who absolutely want total destruction.
And they are.
Absolutely.
I can see it from my Marxist training.
Really, what the small group of people on the far left who are Marxists, they're wanting to foment a revolution.
Because, of course, we always trained in our Marxist dialectic, our Marxist ideology, that any revolution is good.
It moves us towards a future socialist and communist future.
And so even if it looks destructive, that eventually it will move us in the right direction.
So I have no doubt that the socialists and Marxists who are driving much of the unrest in the streets really do want the collapse of our current system.
They're not even making bones about it, Mike, to be honest, okay?
And so I believe we're really...
We're really going to be in trouble when the election comes.
Part of my specialty is strategic foresight.
I've been trained to look at what are the alternative futures that are coming.
There's a couple things that I can see that really give me pause for concern.
It's with the drive for mail-in balloting, I have to believe that the political parties that are driving that have to know that that's a recipe for disaster.
Already three states have declared that there's no way they can tally the vote because the post office can't perform in time.
It may take up to three months to get a tally of the vote.
That would put it past Inauguration Day.
I think we're going to find that those three states were being honest, but that many other states are going to find themselves in the same situation.
And I have to believe that the politicians driving this are aware of this.
So just think of this situation.
And I'm not a big conspiracy guy, but I can just look and see what's happening.
We go past Inauguration Day and the election hasn't been determined.
And Trump is still in the White House.
What do you think is going to happen?
You've absolutely nailed it.
In fact, I'm intending to do a big article on this exact topic.
And in my view, the Democrats already know they cannot win with a dementia patient Biden candidate and kind of a mean police state prosecutor Kamala Harris candidate.
They know they can't win.
But they can cause chaos.
And what you're describing is the chaos agenda.
Absolutely.
And the day after the election, an eruption of nationwide chaos, way worse than anything we've seen so far.
And then exactly as you've described, perhaps some bad faith states refusing to report their numbers in order to cause chaos.
Or they just claim with the media that Trump interfered with the election.
And they've already started this by saying that Trump had the post office remove mailboxes across.
I mean, this is their latest conspiracy theory.
It's truly insane.
Mailboxes are removed all the time.
Thousands under Obama as well.
But they will have enough of a reason to cause chaos and throw enough doubt out there That then they can claim Trump is illegitimate.
I think that's their goal.
I think that's their goal too, Mike.
And I try to be apolitical so I could really analyze and just explain the dynamics going on.
I think you've nailed it right on the head.
I think in November, if there is not a landslide in either direction, something so phenomenal that there's no way to deny it, I think we're going to see chaos in the streets.
If it's at all close, I think we'll see that chaos because of this breakdown in our ability to talk to one another in compromise and the fact that we're already out on the extremes.
And I think there's another dynamic happening there, too.
And that is the one that we were talking about with people on the far left wanting to precipitate a collapse.
And so really, a close election is going to be disastrous.
If I could show you, we were talking...
Just one second, Fred.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but...
I'd like to add and get your comments on this.
Don't we also get chaos even if Biden wins?
Because if the left wins the election, then won't they see that as a mandate to utterly mass murder their opponents, who they've already silenced their speech, they've already marginalized them out of society, they've tried to criminalize conservative speech and Christian speech, especially people who quote scripture, Sodom and Gomorrah, for example, their efforts to criminalize that.
If Biden wins, then doesn't the left say, well this is our mandate to just go out and kill everybody who's a Christian?
I mean, that's history repeating.
That's part of our problem too, Mike.
You just hit it on the head again.
What we have is a mob mentality and mob rule.
We've lost a democratic republic, right?
When the mob can, a small minority of people can riot in the streets and influence policy, that has undermined our democratic republic right there.
No longer the will of the majority of the people.
Anyone who can rally the biggest mob will get their will.
And, you know, people on the right as well.
We've seen this in history before, though people on the right tend to want to believe the best of others and try to compromise and try to talk.
When they feel their lifestyle and their quality of life, especially for the future for their children, is being threatened, they react, you know, in violence too.
Mob dynamics.
On one side, drive mob dynamics on the other side.
So unless there's a landslide in either direction, I fear we'll have massive chaos right after the election if it's closed.
A landslide seems very unlikely.
I mean, we're talking about a very close election here and highly disputed, almost certainly, and also, again, perhaps a split between the popular vote and the Electoral College vote, as we saw in 2016.
Absolutely.
And so the left has been working to try to undermine the idea of the Electoral College, which is actually a brilliant innovation that our founders put in place, right?
So in every way, the Greeks knew they detested democracy.
They knew a pure democracy leads to mob rule.
And the Greeks detested democracy.
And if you read any of the Greek scholars, you'll see that everywhere.
They all talk about how horrendous a society that's ruled by just the popular vote would be.
That's why our founders put in place the Electoral College.
But there's two other dynamics that are dangerous in this, Mike.
If I could share my screen again for a minute, I could illustrate it for you.
So...
We're going to have a societal collapse, right, in that people can't talk to one another anymore, so it's hard to come to compromise.
That will lead to our society collapsing due to violence.
But here's actually how Jonathan Haidt Who's a sociologist from NYU. These are illustrations from his book called The Righteous Mind.
I highly recommend this book, The Righteous Mind.
He explains these dynamics in great detail That are happening in our society.
So think of that top brown box as our society, and these black lines are like steel pillars that hold up the society, and those steel pillars are rooted in the concrete Brown boxes down the bottom, which are the moral values that we talked about earlier, the moral matrix, right?
Now Jonathan is trying to add another moral value in, the one about liberty versus oppression, right?
He's tracking that, and that's a new innovation.
And as he has done studies and overlaid liberty versus oppression on that previous graph I showed you, also people on the right are very balanced in liberty versus oppression.
People on the far left are lacking liberty.
The liberty element.
They're very low in liberty.
That's why they're authoritarian.
That's their first impulse, is an authoritarian impulse, to force us not to speak, to pass laws that you must bake this cake or you must take these pictures, whatever.
So when you track it in a conservative way, The most sacred value to those in the conservative realm are preserving the institutions and traditions that sustain a moral community.
These are things that the human race has figured out over the past 5,000 years of recorded history.
The nuclear family we know is critical to your society holding together.
That's where people are socialized and learn to compromise and everything else we talked about.
So that's very balanced.
Look at the pillars and the moral matrix of someone who's on the liberal end of the spectrum.
And the width of the steel pillars shows how much value is in that moral value.
So in a liberal moral matrix, their most sacred value is care for victims of oppression.
So look at the foundation of your society.
It's very lopsided and imbalanced and will topple.
Now, if you look at the libertarian moral matrix, it's not a whole bunch better.
It's got two pillars that are trying to hold it up.
And so this is another reason we're heading towards societal collapse, Mike.
It's not only our inability to resolve our differences, but a society that lurches one way or another doesn't have the foundation and pillars that undergird it that allow it to maintain itself.
Just another example of why we're headed for collapse.
One main question on that is that the victimology of those who are leaning left is wrong.
I mean, what they do is they end up victimizing everybody.
With new rules and regulations and demands for equality when they say they're trying to protect one isolated victim from having an unequal outcome, for example.
So it seems like they would rather everybody starve than to have 99% of the people with plenty of food and one person who doesn't have enough.
They want equal suffering.
Well, that's absolutely right.
In fact, President Obama, before he was elected, a very famous clip, you can Google, you'll find it.
He was talking about a very, very heinous tax system, right?
And someone asked him, you know, well, what if we didn't need to tax wealthy people so highly?
He said, I would still do it even if it harmed the country for purposes of fairness, right?
So, again, it's that idea of equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity.
In fact, these three ideas, Mike, are what you were talking about...
Diversity, inclusion, and equity are the three high values of the left.
And a psychologist named Jordan Peterson, who's popular on YouTube, you know, said the acronym for that is DI, you know, diversity, inclusion, and equity.
It does lead to that.
Three scholars that I want to highly recommend.
Well, Jonathan Haidt, which I've already mentioned on The Righteous Mind, I highly recommend people read that book, The Righteous Mind.
Three other scholars that are just brilliant are Drs.
Peter Boghossian from Portland University, Dr.
James Lindsay, and Dr.
Helen Pluckrose, who's a British scholar.
They are speaking out about this whole victim mentality, this social justice mentality, this diversity, inclusion, and equity mentality.
They call it a mind virus.
It gets into people's mind, especially young people who are in their late teens.
psychologists say it's like a messianic phase of their social development where they just want to fix everything.
You know, we want to fix the world.
We want to end human trafficking.
We want to have a just society.
And so it's a mind virus that gets in there and it just spreads.
And it actually debilitates people by incentivizing victimhood.
Absolutely.
It becomes a badge of honor to be a victim.
So everyone is trying to prove how much of a victim they are.
And Peter Boghossian, James Lindsay, and Helen Pluckrose have just been brilliant.
And they've shown the scam of it, Mike.
They actually wrote papers, false papers, That they submitted to the journals of like the feminist journals, the gender study journals, which are the seedbed of all of this thinking, that were all fake papers.
Like one was on studying dogs mating in public parks.
And relating that to rape culture amongst men in America, right?
So they just made up data, they made up the most ridiculous things they could think of, and all of these top reputable journals printed their articles.
Of course we did.
Which just shows how much of a scam this really is in the victim.
It's a victim-industrial complex, actually.
And they've invented a whole new language and all these terms that make no sense, such as environmental justice.
You know, that's a completely made-up fictional construct.
It doesn't even mean anything, but you hear it all the time now, environmental justice.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
But an example, a news item that came out recently that I really wanted to mention here, highly relevant to what you just said, is there was a mother with a young son who pushed the son to transition into a female, a girl, even though that's impossible, and then the mother Transitioned to a male to be a father.
So now, instead of a mother with a son, it's a father with a daughter.
And of course, this is celebrated by the left, but this is actually creating victims.
This is child abuse.
It's child abuse, Frank.
And genital mutilation goes along with it.
So you actually have a left-wing culture that says they are victims when if you peel back the curtain, they are the ones mutilating their own children to turn them into victims.
Oh, exactly right, Mike.
And now people march on the streets with signs that say puberty is optional, right?
because they want to use puberty blockers to give the kids time to decide if they want to be male or female.
You can Google, you'll find pictures of people on the street saying that, you know, heard of that optional.
And we have a crisis actually amongst teenage girls I've heard of that.
So many more girls than guys are moving towards transitioning to the opposite sex, to transgenderism, and it's causing many psychological problems, and what all the studies show is there are life Long physical,
serious physical ramifications to these puberty blockers and hormones and even the surgeries that are being performed on people who are minors, actually.
They have lifelong complications.
And one of the most telling statistics, you know, that my heart goes out to people who genuinely have gender dysphoria.
You know, it's like zero point...
3.3% of the population.
Very, very small, genuine.
We live in a world that's not the way God designed it.
It's corrupted.
It's fallen.
And so I have compassion for the people who experience that.
But the way to solve that is not through hormones and surgery.
It's through socialization in a family, through comfort, support, you know.
And social help and aid, you know, instead of radical surgery and everything else.
So we have a crisis with our teenage girls who are more susceptible to this than the guys, though it's Increased a lot with the guys as well.
And this is just another reason we're headed towards a societal collapse.
The desire to marry and have the nuclear family preserved is very low in the millennial generation and downward.
And so with the breakdown of the nuclear family, there's no hope to maintain your society or rebuild it.
Right, right.
Of course, it's not sustainable at that point.
Not sustainable.
As you're an expert in the rise and fall of civilizations, I want to ask you a question about self-mutilation as a sign.
Now, in previous civilizations that collapsed, Were there also examples of self-mutilation or genital mutilation of children?
Or, as we see in many leftists today, if you look at the arrest records of the rioters arrested in Portland, many of them have blue hair or green hair or purple hair, and many of them literally look like demons.
I mean, they look demonic, but there's this self-mutilation theme that is happening among the left.
Is that something that history has shown us before?
Absolutely.
Now, I really want to qualify what I'm about to say, but absolutely, Mike, we're not seeing anything new.
In fact, there's nothing new under the sun.
Everything repeats itself over and over throughout all of history.
Will and Ariel Durant, who were atheists and two of the top scholars, Historians of the 20th century, their summation of all of history is that the immense past was only the repeating rehearsal of the mistakes that the future is destined to make on a larger stage and scale.
Well, that's optimism for you.
Actually, Mike, that's the testimony of history.
It's because we all have a fallen human nature.
We're not born good.
We have the capacity for evil in us.
In fact, Dr.
Jordan Peterson, if you Google his videos, his YouTube videos, he speaks about this very eloquently, that how did German people...
How did good Russians become these people who support the concentration camps?
Or how did good Russians in villages become these people who turn on the farmers who are actually providing all their food?
You know, in a mob mentality, how did good people become these evil monsters who committed these atrocities?
All throughout history.
So I highly recommend Dr.
Jordan Peterson on this.
It's some of the best.
So we have a fallen nature.
And that is coming to the forefront in every way.
So because there's what I call the myth of human progress...
Our tools progress.
Human nature never progresses.
We're all born.
I'm just going to quote the Bible.
I am a believer.
I make no bones about it.
But the Bible says, we are all sinners.
There is none righteous, not even one person.
Is that the heart is deceitfully wicked beyond all else.
Who can know it?
We all have mixed motives in us.
We all have what Jung called the shadow in us.
The part of us that can lend itself towards evil and self-centeredness and selfishness.
And that's why history repeats itself.
There's no...
Cure for human fallenness.
There is a way that it can be tempered and minimized, and I believe that's through coming into a relationship with God, our Creator, who then gives us the power to overcome our self-centered selfishness.
But even then, it doesn't eradicate it.
So that's why we repeat everything.
So, throughout history, you see people, tattoos, right?
Except what do we see now?
It's much more prominent than it was before, and there's a whole psychology beyond tattoo.
It has to do with self-image.
We don't see ourselves as beautiful anymore.
We don't really have a sense of identity, what we could call imago dei.
We were Created in the image of God and we're beautiful as we are.
And so we have to paint ourselves to make us more beautiful or put piercings.
And then it also leads this lack of self-worth and lack of self-esteem leads to things like mutilation.
We just do it more...
In a more friendly way, through piercings and nose rings and earrings in your ear, you know, not only normal earrings like women traditionally have worn, but also the big earrings they pierce, they put in their earlobes.
All of this, the same throughout history, as a society gets farther and farther into decadence, closer and closer to collapse, less and less sense of self-esteem, less and less sense of self-worth, More and more self-loathing, more and more breakdown of the nuclear family.
So a lack of a sense of an unconditional love from a group of people who are committed to us.
And so all we're doing is repeating that in the modern world.
So the big question for you, Fred, is, as you said in the last interview and here today, is if the answer is the Great Awakening, Returning to Christ, returning to Christ-like morality, that's the only way that we can stop this.
But doesn't history show us that that will not happen in sufficient numbers?
Doesn't history show us that it's only out of the collapse and the despair that humanity returns to the principles of morality from which a new society can spring?
Isn't that the lesson of history?
That is a lesson of history, Mike.
Exactly.
In fact, Camille Paglia, who I talked about in our last time together, who was the atheist, feminist, lesbian, transgender, is a prof out in East, and who's the one who documented that the last sign In every civilization in 5,000 years, just before their imminent collapse, was the acceptance of transgenderism.
Camille documented that, is making that point now, and is actually calling for the teaching of religion in our public schools, as an atheist saying, our only hope is a return to morality, and religion is our only hope to get back to morality in our country.
But she also talks about how what you just said is that What really happens in the majority, in fact in every case so far, the society collapses and it's overrun by the barbarians.
and the barbarians are not confused about gender.
They know there's a male and a female.
They don't believe there's 100 genders.
They know that the nuclear family, it's ISIS, it's Al-Qaeda, it's other barbarians that are actually rising up.
It's China.
China is very strong on the nuclear family.
In fact, they have a family crisis, but they've identified it, and they're trying to fix that because they strongly believe in a nuclear family.
So that is what happens in history.
However, Mike, I think there is the possibility of a turnaround in our country.
We're at a point in history that we've never been at before where...
America is the sole superpower.
That's fast changing because other countries are rising.
It's not so much that we're in decline, though we are.
Our decline is very real militarily in every way.
It's happening.
But also China is rising.
Iran is rising.
Others are rising, too, to meet us.
They were much less proficient in their military technology and everything.
So you have the two things, American getting weaker and them getting stronger, and the alignment is happening that actually is a lead-up to World War III, right?
In fact, over the weekend here, we're speaking near the middle of August in 2020 right now, President Trump just announced this amazing deal with America, Israel, and the United Arab Emirates, where the UAE has made a peace treaty with Israel.
And we can see in the Middle East an alignment already happening.
It's America, Israel, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and India on one side in the Middle East, and the other side is Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, and China all vying for control in the Middle East,
and that is a massive tension point there that could easily lead to World War III. In Asia, we have the problem in the South China Sea, where China is trying to possess it, and we can't allow them to because 40% of world trade goes through there, and it's international waters that they're trying to control, and China's already in conflict with 21 countries in that region.
It's very belligerent, and so we have many flashpoints that will lead to World War III, And every analyst believes it will be nuclear, because even though maybe China and America won't nuke each other, mutually assured destruction, you can't say the same for North Korea and Pakistan or Iran.
They're what are called irrational actors.
They're not rational actors like America or China.
They're irrational, operating out of ideology.
So because this is the first time a superpower will collapse when there's the ability for the world to destroy itself, I have great hope that God does want to intervene and that if we could see a moral turnaround in America,
enough people turn back to belief in In Jesus Christ and in the Judeo-Christian ethic, I believe we could see God's hand heal our country, or at least preserve us so that we don't have this collapse in order to prevent this Third World War from coming.
I have hope because we do have something different than we've had in all of history, and that is the ability to destroy the entire human race.
And it seems like we are getting better at that with each passing day.
Let's see, Jeremiah 18, verse 7.
This was actually sent to me by one of your friends, one of our mutual friends.
The Lord says, if at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down, and destroyed, and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned.
Of course, people might argue that the USA isn't mentioned in the Bible and so on and so forth, but as a general principle, this does speak to what you were just saying.
It seems, however, if I'm going to be a bit of a skeptic on that, that I've never seen...
The radical left more evil than they are now.
Some of them look like demons, and I'm not trying to make fun of appearances, but they look like demons, okay, and they act like demons.
Mike, it's absolutely true.
We've never seen the forces of darkness arrayed.
Like we've seen them now.
So Mike, behind me, here's the top 600 books on the planet on the rise and fall of civilizations, right?
Above it, which you can't see, I have a scripture.
It's Luke 18.
It says, what is impossible with man is possible with God.
Every single one of these books says there's no way to turn around America.
But above it, I have that scripture.
What is impossible with man is possible with God.
Mike, no bones about it.
It's going to be the hardest thing we've ever done.
I believe we're in the situation like with Abraham, when God was declaring judgment on Sodom, and he's saying, if I could find 20 righteous, would you spare it?
God's saying yes.
Well, God, if I could only find 10 righteous, would you spare it?
God said yes.
This is the Jeremiah passage you just quoted.
Yes.
If I could find 15 rioters in Portland who didn't have blue hair, would you spare the city?
Right, exactly.
So I believe if we can get, and it's always the minority plus God that wins, it doesn't have to be the majority of our country that repents.
And I don't know what that number is.
But if we can get a minority of the population but truly repent of our unrighteousness, renew our relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, then I believe 2 Chronicles 7.14 comes into play, that if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray, seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, forgive their sins, I will heal their land.
So I don't think it's going to be easy.
So that's why our mutual friend Casey Krejci and myself and some others, we're leading a big initiative.
We're calling together some of the top Christian ministries in America and in the world, some of the largest ministries.
Networks of local churches.
People who are believers in Jesus in every sphere of influence in our society.
Some of our top businessmen.
Top people in education.
Top people in government.
Top people in economics.
We're gathering them together.
In fact, we're having a meeting in Dallas coming up in the near future.
Strategizing how can we work together as the body of Christ in unity to call our nation back to Christ, to relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.
In fact, we'll be strategizing in Dallas in the near future.
We'll work throughout the entire fall to put the infrastructure underneath the plans we come up with.
And then in January, we're going to announce a large national conference when we're going to just call people together.
We'll stream it, live stream.
We'll go to millions of people across the country, tens of thousands of churches.
We'll lay out many of the things we're talking about.
Here's the condition of America.
Here's the condition of the world.
We're headed for a collapse.
Here's the only thing that will save us.
Jeremiah 18, 7-10, 2 Chronicles 7-14.
Let's turn ourselves to Christ and let's re-evangelize America in a compassionate way.
Let's do it in a way that's not mean-spirited or with a tone of, like, you sinner, that we're all righteous and we have it together, that recognizes we're all sinners and All that's different between a believer in Christ and a non-believer is that we're a little bit farther down the road walking with Christ.
And every day he makes us more and more like him the closer we get.
So what I tell unbelievers is, hey...
Join me on the road.
I'm not going to judge you.
I'm on the same road.
And let's walk together towards Christ.
And I don't care what you're coming from.
Let's walk together towards Christ.
And as we walk together, He will reform your life.
So it's more in line with who he is, the image of God, right?
That's tenderness, kindness, compassion, love, you know, care for others, a desire for justice, but not the fake justice that we have in what's called social justice today, but the real justice.
We're out of the depths of our heart.
We do what we can to amend the wrongs in our society.
I believe that's our hope.
You know, Mike.
And I believe we have a chance to see this happen.
Well, that's a very powerful message.
And the website where people can sign up or register now to be alerted to all of this is greatawakeningproject.net, correct?
Is that the site?
Correct.
That's it.
There's other people that have the.com and.org, you know, who are not, you know, our project, this project we're talking about is greatawakeningproject.net.
Right now there's just a little paragraph that tells you what we want to do and a place for people to put their name and email address.
And we'll send more information about the conference that's coming up in January 2021 and about ways that they can get involved to help us show how God is beautiful.
Anne is the one that can bring, it says in Psalms that his throne is founded on righteousness and justice.
We want to bring God's righteousness, you know, his moral law, back to America in a loving, compassionate way, and see his justice come.
Absolutely.
Well said.
And let me add, as you were quoting 2 Corinthians 7, verse 14, and I just happened to have on the printout...
Chronicles, I'm sorry.
Yeah, 2 Chronicles.
See, I misstated it as well.
2 Chronicles 7, verses 11 through 14, but if you go to verse 15...
God says, now my eyes will be open and my ears attentive to the prayers offered in this place.
And I think that's what you just said.
If we pray, every time some radical left-wing lunatic throws a Molotov cocktail, we must remember to pray for forgiveness and pray for protection from God.
Now, we can't be silly enough that we allow ourselves to be physically killed by these people, too.
It's like, pray to God, but pass the gunpowder.
You know what I mean?
Absolutely, Mike.
God guns and guts.
Yeah, I mean, we have to be alive in order to still be doing this.
Mike, to be honest, I know what's coming in the future.
If America collapses, we will go into 100 to 300 years of global war, world war, and it will be messy.
And untold hundreds of millions will die.
And the aftermath, after 100 to 300 years of war, as we try to sort out who are the winners in the future, it's going to be horrendous for humanity.
And so I believe we need to, like our founding fathers, be willing to do what's necessary to protect humanity I'm a man of peace.
I'm not a man of violence.
But I do believe that we need to protect our families, protect our loved ones, and protect our liberties.
It's why our founding fathers gave us the Second Amendment.
And you know, Mike, what?
There's over 300 million guns in America.
There's 100 trillion rounds of ammo in America.
If we genuinely had a gun problem, we would know it.
We don't have a gun problem in America because the vast majority, 99.99% of people with guns are law-abiding citizens.
It's such a small minority that abuse guns.
We do not have a gun problem.
No, of course.
I mean, the whole logic and reason of the attacks, you know, the leftists will say, well, most protesters are peaceful while a few are attacking people, but then they'll say all gun owners are violent because of one person.
But anyway, we're out of time, and this has been a very important interview.
Thank you for staying a little bit past the hour.
Fred Markert was our guest today, folks.
And again, check out greatawakeningproject.net.
Register there to be alerted for the A coordinated revival attempt for America.
And if God is listening and enough of us are praying, well, of course God is listening, but if enough of us are praying, maybe we don't have to go down the road into what Fred just said was going to be 100 to 300 years of war.
Gosh, I thought I was prepped with 18 months of food.
I was going to be okay.
Apparently...
That's nowhere near enough.
Fred, thank you so much for joining us today.
I really appreciate your insight.
Great to be with you, Mike.
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