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April 26, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Dr. Paul Cottrell on dollar debt, anti-mask hysteria and more
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- Welcome everyone.
This is Mike Adams, founder of Brighteon.com.
And today, after a couple of weeks away, we are joined again by Dr.
Paul Cottrell with a very important update as the so-called second wave appears to be surging now in conservative states.
Numbers are exploding in Texas and in Florida, as well as California.
But since the main theory We're good to have you back
on.
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate it.
So what's your analysis then of what's happening in Texas?
ICU beds nearly overrun.
What's really going on here?
Well, I mean, we're definitely looking at a multitude of states.
It's like you stated, it's Florida, Texas.
Arizona is another one that I'm very concerned about.
And California.
It so happens that With these new surges, one has to ask the question, is this a second wave or is this a delayed wave that we saw from the eastern seaboard?
From my observation, everyone knows it's from a New York-centric perspective.
We're...
In our actual second phase of getting out of sheltered in place.
And it's been going pretty well in the tri-state area.
That's New Jersey, Connecticut, and New York.
We haven't had any problems.
And I've also, because of my family in Michigan, they are slowly getting out of sheltered in place too.
And that seems to be okay, especially in the Wayne County area, which is the Detroit area.
But we're seeing something different, some sort of epidemiological change, difference in the southern states than what we saw in the northern states and especially the eastern seaboard.
So we talked, you and I talked quite a while back, multiple times, about D3 and the sunny states and how individuals that had more D3 naturally Most likely would fare better with this COVID-19 disease than the northern states.
So I'm actually somewhat surprised after seeing the second phase of getting out of shelter-in-place in New York, and then all of a sudden we're actually starting to see this delayed wave in these southern states.
I'm a little concerned about this.
My eye right now Is there some sort of gain of function?
I don't know.
And I've been calling for professionals to sequence the new cases and check to see if the spike protein has changed.
There is no data out there that I know of that states that the new cases in Texas, the sequence is different than what we had earlier this year.
So we still need to answer that question.
Do we have gain of function?
You definitely have.
Like we said, we definitely have a problem.
Yeah, and also I'm thinking of at least two factors that could be contributing to this.
Number one, the shelter-in-place orders, which included Texas, put people mostly indoors.
So while the liver and the kidneys can store various forms of vitamin D for some period of time, those stores eventually get drained if you're not outside.
So I think that the population was made more vitamin D deficient than they normally are, thus the benefit of being in the southern states is erased by the shelter in place orders from April and May and so on.
The second factor is, of course, the Black Lives Matter protests.
So when you've got the mainstream media saying that the virus doesn't spread when you're black and protesting, but it does spread if you're white at a Trump rally, which of course is the most insane anti-science junk garbage that we can imagine the media saying, but that's expected now since the media doesn't understand science or medicine at all.
But it's clear that protests were out there, and if there were even a few so-called super spreaders, a lot of these protests were very close together, very few wearing masks, and it went on night after night, week after week.
So that could be contributing to this spread, especially among the young populations that are now being flagged as having the real rise in infections and hospitalizations.
That's where the numbers are really increasing now, is among young people.
Yeah, you're right.
I mean, you know, the way in mainstream media, they're spinning it.
It's like they want to pick their protest, okay?
If you're promoting the BLM protesting, then it's okay and that the virus isn't going to get you.
And then if you're at a rally, you know, for a Republican, you know, president, you know, the virus will get you.
They pick the way they want to play this whole thing.
Again, I'm very concerned about Arizona and Texas and Florida right now.
There were some call-ins to my show stating in Florida that the beachgoers were not following some of the protocols for the shelter-in-place.
But I didn't hear that happening in Texas and in Arizona.
So...
Plus, no one's asking this question.
What about the border control?
I mean, there might be an issue there.
I absolutely agree.
That could be an issue, and we know that infections and deaths are underreported in Mexico, but I'm also suspecting that there's a cultural difference between New York and Texas, for example, Texas being more conservative, and conservative America really largely believing that the coronavirus was a hoax.
I mean, that belief system is still widespread.
In fact, I wanted to ask your opinion on this.
The mythology now of claiming that masks will kill you by lowering your oxygen levels in your blood and poisoning you with carbon dioxide.
I have heard this from so many people now, and it's the most insane anti-science thing imaginable.
Do you realize how difficult it would be to have oxygen scrubbers on your face?
A little thin piece of cloth does not remove oxygen from the air.
Trust me on that point.
It's way more complicated.
But why are people believing that masks strip oxygen out of your blood?
I don't even understand their logic.
You know, here's the thing.
This is the baseline of science.
Education in the United States is unfortunately very low.
Math and sciences are very low.
We score as a nation low.
Now, there are individuals that score very high.
But as a nation, this is a liberal arts nation, not a science nation, unfortunately.
And that's part of the problem.
Mainstream media, they talk at a 7th or 8th grade level.
Maybe a 9th grade level.
So that's one problem there.
But within this whole...
Alternative world that we're kind of part of.
There is a fissure, even with intelligent individuals, where they assume that if something is negative to Trump, then it has to be some sort of vast conspiracy and that what is happening in the science realm must not be true.
And they just, they consider it as, it's all false, that, you know, it's not a virus, or it's this, or that, you know, masks don't work.
Then you have the ones that are, let's say, pro-Trump, like you and I, that are science-based, and, you know, are saying, well, wait a minute here, you know, there is a virus, but there is a conspiracy to take down Trump, Trump's presidency, through this action, and institute One Health.
So, you know, some of these individuals that are pushing this agenda on YouTube, part of it is because of the coin, you know, the coinage.
You know, there's an incentive to gain, accrete subscribers, get donations, or, you know, sell products, or, you know, do super chats or whatever.
And that's how they push that agenda.
Some of them just don't have the educational background, but they have so many people that follow them that it's just an echo chamber.
When you have a 300,000 subscriber base on an individual that is alt-media but anti-science, you'll have 300,000 people following them plus the rumor mill that will say all the garbage that they're saying.
Right, right.
And in doing this, in discouraging people from wearing masks, which is a very simple way to stop transmission from human to human, they are in fact creating the perfect agenda for the vaccine mandates.
In other words, the vaccine mandates will be more justified and forceful when there are more infections and more fatalities and more hospitalizations.
And the simplest way to stop all that is to just wear masks in public and also have good nutrition, like we've talked about zinc and vitamin D and so on.
So those who are saying that masks don't work are essentially working for big pharma and the vaccine industry to create more infections, which we're now seeing even in conservative states.
Some of them are doing that willingly, and some of them are doing that unwillingly.
But you're correct that they are in cahoots with Big Pharma.
Now, if masks didn't work, they wouldn't use them in surgery.
So obviously they work.
And our biological weapons team in the military has masks too when they go on deployment.
So masks do work.
Now the question is...
Now the question is, if someone is by themselves in their own car, should they have a mask on?
Or, you know, they're by themselves in a park, not heavily populated, and running.
I don't think you should be wearing a mask during that.
I agree with you.
But still in New York, mass transit, it's essential to be wearing masks.
That's what I'm talking about.
Or going to the grocery store or something like that, you know, where there's a congregation of individuals.
That's right.
I've seen people, I mean, they are so germaphobic now that they have masks in their house.
They're wearing the masks in their house.
It's getting to the level of lunacy.
If we could only see virus particles with our own eyes, this would be easy to navigate.
But at times it feels like we're going back in a time machine before the age of Semmelweis and the germ theory, and we have to explain to people what germs are.
But, you know, I tell people, look, if masks don't work, then remove all the air filters from your HVAC system in your house, because those must not work either.
And, you know, just run your AC with no filtration.
See how that works, because that'll break down pretty quickly.
I mean, just even in our body, you know, because in the epithelium, in our trachea, in our You know, we have these cilia, you know, and it secretes this mucus, and it's able to get rid of the particles.
So even our body has evolved a filtration system.
You know, you need, you know, at times, I mean, if you're working with drywall, You know, everyone that's put on drywall, you have to have a mask on or you're going to be putting those particles.
What about the workers removing asbestos from the old schools where they installed all that in the 1970s?
Should they wear a mask?
And the answer is, yeah, of course you should wear a mask.
You don't want to breathe in those little microscopic razor blades.
That's not a smart thing.
All right, so now, though, we're dealing with the beginning of what could be the second wave.
Now, I thought the second wave would really start to emerge in August.
So it's a little early in my blueprint, but maybe I was too conservative.
If the second wave is here, how do you think America is going to respond to it, especially in conservative states?
Are people just going to say, this isn't happening, it's not real, the hospitals aren't being overrun, nobody's dying, they're just going to consider it to be a hoax?
Or is there going to be a moment of awakening on this?
Well, I think there's going to be a moment of awakening.
I mean, I think people are really starting to get scared, especially when you...
We've already lost $4 trillion in our economy.
And there's talk about going back into shelter-in-place.
There's delay of getting out of shelter-in-place.
But if we start seeing across multiple counties or multiple states the same epidemiological change that you're seeing in Texas or in Arizona, People are not going to go back to work, and that's going to be an additional amount of destruction in our economy.
People are going to just start waking up and saying, you know what, this is very, very real, and we need to deal with it.
Now, what is interesting is how the government, and this is a little bit of a different take, but the New York Bar Association wrote an opinion piece, official opinion piece for forced but the New York Bar Association wrote an opinion piece, official And there was a big rally or protest, I should say, in New York.
I think it was in Albany against it.
But what's interesting is how they're using a third party, the government's using a third party like the New York Bar Association, which is a very prestige law association, to be pushing this agenda of forced vaccines at a very young to be pushing this agenda of forced vaccines at a very young age for COVID-19 all the way through So, you know, there is an awakening.
People are starting to realize that, hey, you know, there is this virus, this COVID-19 disease is...
A means for One Health to institute a forced vaccine program.
And so people are awakening to this agenda thing.
And I think that Deltree on his show, maybe five, I think it was about five days ago, did a pretty good, pretty good interview with the one that was doing the protesting that that organized the protesting.
Yeah, that interview was excellent.
And I'm actually proud of seeing American citizens standing up and seeing this larger agenda.
It's not just the virus and going into shelter in place, not being able to do the things that you normally do in the summer.
There's a larger thing that's happening.
Right, right.
They're using these third parties to try to give credence to this one health community But how do you navigate this?
Because, you know, Del Bigtree that you mentioned, he is very strongly opposed to mandatory vaccines, which I agree with.
I think you agree with as well, even though we both understand the science of immunization and antibodies and so on.
We're not opposed to the science.
We're just opposed to a forced government invasion of your body, right?
And improper testing.
Exactly.
An unsafe, not thoroughly tested, no long-term randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies.
But Dell himself is, you might honestly categorize him as someone who believes the virus is a hoax.
You know, that the whole pandemic is a hoax.
I'm pretty sure he's in that category.
So how do you navigate?
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that he was in that category.
I don't watch him very often.
I just saw the whole New York Bar video, and that's it.
Well, I'm pretty sure Dell is...
I think he's anti-mask.
I think he says masks are dangerous.
I think he says the deaths were all faked.
I apologize if I'm not speaking correctly.
That's my understanding of his position.
But he's also anti-vaccine mandates, which I agree with.
So there's a lot of this.
There's a lot of people out there.
Who, I believe, don't understand or don't take seriously the threat of the virus, but are opposed to vaccine mandates and so on.
So, you know, we agree with them, partially disagree with them on other topics.
You know, how do you even make sense of that?
And there are conservative media outlets that say that the whole thing is, I mean, Alex Jones says it's a hoax, that it's all faked.
Yeah, see, Alex Jones falls in that side that anything going against Trump has got to be a vast conspiracy from the left, and therefore it's all untrue and that we have to fight it.
They are trying to take down Trump.
That's obvious.
But there's a larger agenda right after Trump, and that is this Agenda 21, Agenda 30 thing.
You know, unfortunately, it would have been really nice to have learned from the first wave in New York on how individuals within this alternative media community could work together instead of fight each other.
Because, you know, 80% of it we agree on.
It's that 20% that we don't.
And that, you know, divides us.
You know, because how I see it is we're all on the same team.
You know?
But unfortunately, you can see that there's divisions within this community.
Well, yeah, but, you know, I'm not willing to abandon what I know about science in order to become popular with the in-crowd of alt-media.
You know, I know that masks work.
Period.
Masks work.
I'm not going to change.
You're not going to change either.
You know, you have integrity in your position.
I mean, if I came on one day and said, oh, I've decided masks don't work, you would criticize me, as you should.
Well, I'd ask, where's your data?
But the thing is, we have to be data-driven.
And new data changes perspectives.
But if we're data-driven and we use the scientific method, it's going to get us to the right spot.
Unfortunately, the in-crowd sometimes is so big that they have other things that they have to deal with, like cash flow and employees and advertisers and all this.
Once you get to a certain size, sometimes you almost have to toe the line of public opinion and not to try to inform the public that they're wrong.
Because if you tell the public that you're wrong, you may lose subscribers.
You know, I tell you, there have been days that I've put out podcasts and I've put out articles and I thought for sure I would lose half my customers because I'm just...
But I didn't.
I didn't.
The next morning, wake up, everything's just like normal.
You know why that works?
It's called good karma.
If you do things the right way, the universe rewards you for it.
If you do things the wrong way, eventually the universe slaps you up against the side of the head.
It's all about timing.
But I really do believe that what we are trying to do to inform the public with using supplementation and trying to inform the public to the best that we can about what's going on with COVID-19 is a positive direction, a positive social change that will help people in the long run.
And I'm going to continue doing it until I drop dead.
Well, good for you.
I'm with you on that point as well.
Let me ask you about herd immunity now.
I saw yesterday in Texas, of all the COVID-19 tests that are taking place now, I believe about 7.7% were showing positive.
Now, that doesn't mean there's a 7.7% infection rate in the entire population.
It might be less, it might be more, but it gives us an indication.
Let's suppose that the current infection rate in Texas Or maybe just middle America is between 5 and 10%.
Let's just say that's a pretty good guess.
It's higher in New York.
We talked about that before, but not yet as high in Texas.
Should southern states, in your opinion, forego any second lockdown, which probably will be strongly resisted, and just aim for herd immunity and just take the million deaths or whatever it is and just go for it?
What's your opinion?
Well, I don't think there's going to be millions of deaths.
I mean, the death toll.
The death rate is very low.
And they've learned a lot.
The medical community, the first responders, have learned a lot on how to treat this and what to look for.
In terms of deaths, I'm not very concerned about that.
I was very concerned in mid-February when everything was unknown.
Unless we get really change of function, a different gain of function, then we're back to the unknown world.
But right now, I'm not too worried about deaths.
Now, it's not as simple as asking the question, Should we or should we just stay at home and not develop some sort of herd immunity?
You also have the variable, we cannot take another $4 trillion hit to our economy.
Because people don't understand that we only had a $20 trillion economy.
And you can't just easily put a $1 trillion hit Of GDP growth every year that easily.
So you're talking about taking many, many years to fill the hole that we lost.
It's not going to just get rebooted in six months.
So we cannot go back into shelter in place because of the economic situation.
So what can we do?
What's in our arsenal?
Well, the medical community understands about protease inhibitors.
The medical community understands that masks work.
The medical community and the homeopathics also understand that supplementation helps boost the immune system.
Exercise helps.
Getting a little bit of sunlight helps.
So all these things could be done to boost up your immune system, continue going on with life, and not, you know, take another, you know, $4 trillion hit because that will take literally 20 years to fix economically.
And it's the American spirit is about, the American spirit is about Exploration and taking risks.
That's why I keep on saying to the public, we can't be afraid of the virus.
It exists.
And we've learned a lot and we'll continue to learn more.
But we have to be prudent in terms of how we go about our lives.
But we have to go about our lives.
We can't just be a bunch of germaphobes living at home and just letting our economy go to waste and usher in socialism.
Because that's what the agenda wants.
And we can't let that happen.
So it's not as simple as just...
Just stay at home so we don't spread the virus.
You stay at home and don't spread the virus, you destroy the American dream, the American economy.
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
I wanted to ask you first before I offered my opinion, but I think that a second lockdown actually would be even worse than just having more national debt.
I don't think our financial system can survive it at all.
I think a second lockdown would mean the end of the United States of America, the dollar, the Federal Reserve, and a cascading ripple effect of bank failures worldwide.
Frankly, that's what I think.
So I think lockdowns would be suicide at this point, which means we are going to have to deal with this in the wild.
It's going to spread in the workplaces.
It's going to spread.
How do we deal with it?
And I think you just gave excellent advice.
We use nutrition, masks, exercise, healthy lifestyles, things like that.
It makes perfect sense.
The two biggest things that you and I and others that are like-minded that have platforms that can share information with people is to basically say, take your supplements, get your exercise, get educated about what's going on with the science of this.
But also be American and take risk and move on with your life and don't be a germaphobe.
The thing really exists, but you can't let our nation fall.
It's way too important.
You can't let that constitution fall.
I completely agree.
Because, you know, let's say even if a million people were to die from this virus, if we just go for herd immunity, no more lockdowns, nothing.
And I think that actually could happen.
But a million people is what?
0.3% roughly of the population, something like that.
Whereas socialism and communism...
I mean, some of the communists have already said they want to eliminate 25% of the American people because they're conservatives or Christians or what have you.
So there's no comparison.
Communism, socialism, collapse, economic collapse, mass starvation, these things wipe out nations.
Look at Venezuela.
Even if we lost 0.3% of the population of the virus, that's nothing compared to the dangers of a total collapse.
I think I'm paraphrasing Reagan, but he said something that, you know, the last hope of the world is the United States.
The last bastion of hope is the United States.
If we fall, this is our moment in history.
We have to stand tall and prevent this takeover.
That's our job.
That's our mission in life.
If we do that, we've accomplished what we were meant to accomplish.
And we cannot let these people push in this agenda.
That's right.
Well said.
Well said.
Okay, let me ask you a bigger question then.
What other threats do you see?
Okay, we know that some of this, for example, the lockdown durations were, I believe, weaponized, extended way beyond reason in order to cause more economic damage to harm President Trump.
Now, I don't know if you agree with that or not.
It's irrelevant.
The question is, what other attacks do you think might be coming against America to try to hurt Trump between now and Election Day?
I'm very concerned about the border conflict between India and China.
Their move into Hong Kong, China, you know, projecting power into Hong Kong and in Taiwan.
The perfect move right now for China is to start doing an escalation in the Pacific because Trump cannot, you know, issue orders, you know, with the Navy right before election.
That would be destructive.
The Democrats would, you know, would say, oh, he's just a warmonger.
Now, you know, when he's reelected, which I am predicting, but then maybe game's on and there is a conflict with China.
But there there's a geopolitical thing that's starting to to ramp up here.
Things haven't cooled down with Iran at all.
So that might flare up.
So I see a geopolitical problem, you know, possibly flaring up and being that October surprise.
So, you know, I'm more looking at the geopolitical side of this.
What about markets and the financial side of things?
Because we've seen this strong disconnect between the markets just going sky high, at least in five stocks that represent most of the Dow now, versus the reality of the economic implosion.
30% of the country not making their house payments, landlords foreclosing massive bankruptcies all across gyms and car rental companies and What, Chuck E. Cheese bankruptcies now?
What's going on?
It's like the tale of two cities, the book.
There's one side of the coin that's doing okay, and there's another side of the coin that's not.
So on the negative side, we had about 48 million people unemployed.
That's really bad.
And that falls into the foreclosure problems that you're talking about.
But a week ago, they were stating that people are starting to use the low interest rates to either refinance or purchase homes.
So that's a positive sign.
Now, when you look at the technical indicators in the macro market, the macro ETFs, not just individual stocks, but just the S&P 500 in general, it is trending upward.
And that's a positive sign.
And that the 200-day moving average is creeping up towards the 50-day moving average, and that's called the golden cross in technical terms.
And when that crosses, there's a lot of institutional investors that start to put money into the market.
So from the financial market point of view, I'm actually pretty bullish for the S&P 500 going forward, even with all this carnage that we're talking about.
With that said, there is a disconnect between Wall Street and Main Street.
So we have to parse our words.
Main Street is hurting.
Wall Street is doing actually relatively well at the moment.
Well, what happens when, let's say, Governor Abbott of Texas declares a second lockdown, which, by the way, I've heard from reliable sources here in Texas that he's going to.
I mean, the markets, you know how the markets are overly sensitive now to every little slight thing.
People are, you know, trying to factor in six months down the road, you know, the economic implications of this.
If lockdowns come back more aggressively, won't that really, you know, repeat some of the downward trend that we saw in March?
Yeah, it's hard to describe it in financial terms.
So when you have a major sell-off, there's a lot of pain.
And there's a memory of that pain.
And then it ticks up.
And then something might happen that allows it to fall again.
But you have been immune to some of that pain.
Therefore, whatever bad news is attenuated.
So there will be a decrease.
And you've noticed in the last three days there has been a sell-off.
About a week ago or a week and a half ago, we were at about 75% retracement from the low point of the sell-off.
And then it dropped back down to about 61% retracement.
It's still hovering above the 50-day moving average, which is key.
It's hovering above the 50-day moving average.
So the point I'm making is that the technical indicators are showing to me that, yes, you're right, Right.
I see.
You know, so it's very large at first and then it dissipates over time and it's moving upward.
Right.
And that's what I think we're seeing.
What about the debt issues?
So we're now hovering around, I believe, $25 trillion in national debt, which sounds insane, you know, relative to GDP. And that's what they're publishing now, what they're telling the question.
Right.
And Trump is now talking about another stimulus, which really just means more money printing.
You know, at what point does money printing actually become a catastrophic problem?
Well, I think we're seeing the very ends of the petrodollar, and this is where I'm worried.
This event has now pushed the agenda of the decashing and the ability for negative interest rates, which the IMF is pushing.
They're restructuring the SDRs, and there was talk even when Geithner was Treasury Secretary.
During the Obama administration, you know, where they were trying to restructure the dollar.
They were thinking, well, maybe the restructuring of the dollar would be the northern, you know, the northern continent and the southern continent.
And just have like the, you know, like a euro, but it was, you know, the euro, you know, at that time.
So there's definitely, I think we're going to see in the near future, Maybe the next 10 years.
A reconfiguration of what the dollar is.
Now, the question is, is it going to be a digital currency?
A lot of people call it Bitcoin, but it'll be like a Bitcoin that's instituted from the Federal Reserve.
That's what I think is going to happen.
Because that whole Bitcoin thing wasn't very...
That was in its nascency in 2008, 2009.
Right, but who will use Bitcoin if the central ledger is run by the Fed?
I mean, the whole advantage of Bitcoin...
That's what I'm saying.
The cryptocurrencies that are out there, they'll be destroyed.
It will be the Federal Reserve cryptocurrency.
Well, I'm not using the Federal Reserve cryptocurrency, that's for sure.
The thing is, how do you stop it?
Because all they have to do is say...
I mean, the Federal Reserve...
And the Treasury has in their charter.
They state what currency people can use in the country.
Yeah, that's true.
I mean, literally, people could just say, at the Federal Reserve level, they can just state, Bitcoin is illegal.
And it's illegal.
It's just one statement away from making it illegal.
Yeah, true.
But, you know, to use a digital currency, wouldn't that be discriminatory against poor people because you have to have an electronic device, a mobile phone or a computer to even use a digital currency?
And so the poorest Americans wouldn't even have access to be able to have money.
You know, I mean, how do they get around that?
I thought black lives mattered.
Well, you know, at least in New York, when you're, you know, they actually give out cell phones for people that are employed.
So, you know, there may be social programs that are providing smartphones, but that's a tracking mechanism, in my opinion.
But, you know, what it is, is they're corralling us into this technocracy, right?
Of surveillance and control.
I'm not for digital currency.
I'm for coinage and dollars because you can vote your way out of the bank.
If you don't like the bank, you can take the dollars out.
If you're in a digital currency world, you can't.
You can just rotate the money in the banking system, but you can't take it out of the banking system.
We should have that ability to do that.
Well, right.
And the minute they have a digital currency system, they're going to pass a national retail sales tax where they automatically deduct from your wallet every time you purchase something without even your consent.
You know, they'll just tax you, you know, just take money out.
Just, oh, new fees, you wake up and more money is missing from your wallet.
But, you know, I think a lot of Christians would say that's the mark of the beast system.
Think about it this way.
A lot of the states have lost huge amounts of tax revenue because of COVID-19 shutdown.
It wouldn't surprise me.
They'll use a different term, but there's going to be a COVID-19 tax to try to fill the gap.
How they do it, I don't know.
These states, like New York, Are going to raise taxes instead of restructuring the state and cutting programs, they're going to raise taxes and then there's going to be flight out of the state and people like myself will move out of New York and maybe move to Texas if the tax situation is better.
But people are going to move out of their state if they're going to bring up these higher taxes to fill the gaps.
Well, this is what I want to ask you actually.
Yeah, and the drop in tax revenues to all of these mostly Democrat-run cities is substantial.
Didn't I read the other day that New York City is laying off or furloughing 22,000 workers?
Does that ring a bell?
Because of a drop in revenues?
Oh, yeah.
The thing is, are they restructuring?
Here's the problem with New York, and I think in a lot of states.
Are they restructuring the pension programs for these government employees?
Why not?
Why not?
Because a big part of that is their guaranteed pension and the pension liability.
It's all tax-backed.
My first thing would be restructuring their whole compensation program.
You would shave off a lot of that state debt.
Well, in New York, for the state, the pension payouts are something like a billion dollars a year.
I don't have the exact number, but it's huge.
Many people are collecting over $100,000 a year in pensions or retirement benefits.
But as you said, as more and more people flee these cities, because the cities start raising taxes on the productive businesses and the productive citizens, of course everybody's going to flee.
Why would you live in a city Where you're taxed to the extreme and the services you're provided in some places no longer exist.
Like Chaz in Seattle, you dial 911 and they say, oh, sorry, we're not serving your area anymore.
The police have surrendered it to terrorists.
I mean, that's what they said.
There's two things here that I wanted to respond to.
One is in New York, because of the shelter in place, many businesses have gone out of business.
Not just closed for temporary.
They're closed permanently.
And it is down all the avenues, including Fifth Avenue, which is the coveted spot in the world to have a store.
On top of the riots with the broken glass and everything else, We, New York City in Manhattan, is approaching what it was like in the pre-Giuliani days.
Wow.
Wow.
It's getting there.
It's getting there.
And, you know, and so...
I can see New Yorkers saying, I am not going to wait.
I'm not going to deal with the crime, you know, because, you know, it's the whole broken glass window theory.
And they're just going to move to, you know, a suburb in New Jersey or upstate New York or Connecticut.
They're going to get out.
I can see it happening.
Now, with the Shaz thing, I don't understand why.
We even allow that to happen.
I mean, that is just totally...
It's unacceptable that someone can just state, I'm going to have an autonomous zone and now I'm going to have my own country within the United States.
I mean, and then I've heard that they were trying to do it in Washington, D.C., too.
Yeah.
You know, I just like...
That's where you get the National Guard involved and say, no, you're taking back the country and you're going to kick out all the bums and shahs.
Well, but here's, you know, there's a class action lawsuit that's being filed in Seattle against the city by the business owners and the private property owners there who correctly state that they were deprived, you know, due process protection.
I mean, they pay taxes to the city.
They pay high taxes and they get no police protection.
There were allegedly rapes and there were many shootings.
People died.
There was violence taking place there and the city has abandoned you.
So not only is the city abandoning you, but now when this lawsuit goes through, the city will have to pay out even more money to these individuals that they refused to protect, which is going to further drain the coffers for the city, which means the city is going to have to raise more taxes on the people who are remaining.
I mean, aren't we looking at a situation where every person who can will flee these Democrat cities?
This is the problem with the Democrats.
They usher in socialism, and then it leads to communism and totalitarianism.
This is what they want.
They want to destroy This country.
And this is why it's so important to support Donald Trump.
Unfortunately, I don't think that Donald Trump was strong enough in his first term, and maybe he will be in his second term.
But he definitely didn't help that much with the whole First Amendment on social media.
And you and I have felt the pain on that.
And he wasn't that very forceful with the whole anti-vax thing.
Not at all.
No, he's been pro-vaccine, actually.
Yeah.
So, I mean, there's some things that, you know, I'm a little disappointed, but I think that he is actually a pretty good president, especially under the circumstances.
It'd be amazing what he would be able to accomplish if he actually, you know, had a decent House and Senate that, you know, was willing to work with him.
Right, exactly.
So you're not voting for Joe Biden, I take it?
No, absolutely not.
I'd rather be shot in the head.
We may all be shot in the head if Joe Biden wins.
I mean, that's how insane the left has become.
Remember when they used to have bumper stickers that said, coexist?
Now it's like, kill the police!
Terminate Whitey!
What happened to coexist?
I thought this was the party of diversity.
I did a short video talking about this issue.
It's a metaphysical thing that's going on, and I think you'll appreciate it.
There is an evil out there.
It's hard to put your finger on it, but it's there.
And that individuals or groups of individuals is a piece of the beast, of this evil beast.
And the beast wants us to look down, not to look up to the stars, not to explore and have that American spirit.
So when people kneel during the national anthem, it's feeding the beast.
They're kneeling.
They're looking down on the ground.
They're not looking up and standing tall and saying, you know what?
We're going to make this a more perfect union.
We're going to explore, and we're going to take risks, and we're going to do things right.
Instead, it's capitulating.
The beast wants us to just kneel, and it's almost biblical.
I don't know about the New Testament, but in the Old Testament, it talks about don't kneel.
Don't kneel.
Because that's like giving yourself to someone and that it could be interpreted as you're worshiping an idol.
So there's this kind of like metaphysical thing going on, in my opinion, about the whole kneeling movement.
And it's feeding what I call the beast.
And it's trying to erode the American spirit, or just even the human spirit.
Well, the symbolism is unmistakable.
You kneel before your conquerors when you have been overthrown.
And when you have, for example, the CEO of Chick-fil-A kneeling down and polishing the shoes of a black rapper and saying that white people need to apologize for their racism and guilt, you know something's gone wrong in a real twisted way in society.
You know, I'm not a racist.
You know, my father, my mother, they weren't racist.
What are these people talking about?
We are people who believe in true diversity, true equality, true due process under the law, and true humanity for all human beings.
I agree with you.
And not only that, I did a video and I put it on Brighton.
So this is a shameless plot here.
But I did a video about my family history that I had a great-great-grandfather that fought in the Civil War on the Union side for West Virginia.
And he was wounded at New Market in 1864.
He was wounded in the hand.
Once it healed, he was transferred to Grant's army and fought at Richmond and Petersburg.
So that's at the end of the war.
And he saw the signing at Appomattox between Grant and General Lee.
So when someone says from the BLM movement that I'm a racist...
It's like, well, wait a minute here.
I have heritage that goes all the way back to 1864.
They actually fought for the Union side to help the slaves.
So, I mean, this whole thing is just twisted, saying that America should be apologetic.
And not only that, what is interesting is that Abraham Lincoln told Grant in Congress, before he was assassinated, that There should not be reparations on the South for the war.
Because what they would do is create more division for the country.
And that for the country to heal, there should be not reparations.
And that the country needs to move forward and make a more perfect union.
That's where it comes from.
That's our mission.
To make a more perfect union.
So when the BLM movement comes in and says they want reparations, they're going against what Lincoln told everyone not to do.
Of course.
And they're not learning their history.
And this is why when they're whitewashing and taking down all the statues and not learning about what Lincoln was telling everybody right after the war, they're instituting another civil war.
But that's it.
They want anarchy.
They know nothing about history.
And when you use the term whitewashing, by the way, that's racist.
The new term is blackwashing.
They're blackwashing history, just to correct you.
I mean, it's like you can't even use terms that are normal terms in construction.
In fact, I wanted to ask you, what are you doing wearing a noose today?
Obviously you're racist.
Oh wait, they're headphones.
It's not a noose.
Go figure.
I mean, it's a white noose, no less, by the way.
I can see that you're a white noose racist.
It's so obvious.
But you know, that's how crazy everything is.
It's nuts!
Right.
And I've heard about the NASCAR driver, you know, and the noose issue, and it ended up being actually, it wasn't a noose, it was just a pull strap thing.
So everyone is just super charged and is assuming everything is racist.
Right.
It's not.
It's not.
You know, actually, this country is less racist than ever.
Right.
That's absolutely true.
Absolutely true.
You know, I did an experiment.
I went around.
I live in central Texas, rural Texas.
And over the years, I keep asking people, you know, like white people that I run into, you know, plumbers, truck drivers, whatever, construction workers.
I ask about their racial opinions and so on.
I haven't met a single person who's a member of the KKK, who used the N-word, who's a racist, who said anything racist.
Not a single person in Texas.
And yet, according to the media based out of New York and Los Angeles, all Texans are gun-toting racist cowboys.
It's nonsense.
Total nonsense.
And just even in academia, I've had great classmates from all different ethnicities.
All different ethnicities.
And, you know, and got along very well.
I mean, this is a country that's very open.
Now, it doesn't mean that there's not disparity.
There is.
And it doesn't mean that there aren't little pockets of groups that go against other individuals.
That does happen still.
But we are a melting pot.
It's sad to see this race riot thing hijacked.
From my perspective, they're almost trying to rewrite history.
I wouldn't have learned about the Civil War if it wasn't for the Confederate statues and the Union statues at Gettysburg.
They both contributed to the history of this country.
And to take them all down.
And then all of a sudden, you're starting to hear that they want to take down the Founding Fathers.
Going all the way back to the revolution because they had slaves.
Can you imagine taking down George Washington or Thomas Jefferson?
Yeah, that's what they want to do.
They want to take down the history of this country and rewrite it.
Under some Marxist kind of ideology.
Yeah, they want to put up statues of Lenin and Karl Marx and Mao, I guess.
I just, you know, it's sad.
It's sad that, you know, our youth has gone down this path.
Well, they've been indoctrinated by, you know, Marxist school teachers.
But last question for you today, Dr.
Cattell.
Some of them are in Cambridge, by the way.
I would imagine so.
Okay, last question.
We're almost out of time.
What will it take, what are the triggers for you to move out of New York City?
Because you still live in New York.
You see what's happening in the world.
You kind of hinted about it earlier.
My original plan was that once I get done with my schooling, that I was going to move to a...
I wanted to actually have some sort of farm, a little farm, like a 10-acre ranch kind of thing.
Right after my residency, Do you want to be a country doctor?
Yeah, sort of.
I wanted to be a general surgeon or a CT surgeon, a cardiothoracic surgeon that's in a rural area because it's underserved.
So that was kind of the goal that I had.
So I was thinking about moving out west in four years, four or five years.
But with what's going on in New York, it may be sooner than that.
Because I'll tell you, I mean, I am not seeing New York is going down.
It's not healing.
I mean, this was a huge blow.
Um...
What, are you talking about the coronavirus or the riots or what?
The coronavirus and just the destruction, the business destruction and the high taxation is going to drive me out.
I mean, it's just this place.
And then you have the drones and the over-militarization of the police and all that.
I mean, it's just, it's Robocop here.
It's not a city...
Everyone thinks that New York's great.
You know what?
Live here for a little while, and you'll come up with a hundred reasons why New York's not great.
Yeah, you're living in a real-life minority report dystopian sci-fi.
New York's great on how it can market itself to the other states, but you live here for a little while, and you understand the backdoor culture of the place.
It ain't as pretty as people think it is.
Well...
The last time I was there was when I was invited to be on the Dr.
Oz show, by the way, and I couldn't wait to get out, frankly.
I was like, oh my gosh, I don't feel safe here.
There's only one park in the whole city.
They won't let me bring my Glock to New York City for some reason.
Yeah, no, I mean, it's like, you know, there's huge gun control here.
I mean, you can't, you know, you can't buy an AK-47 or, you know, you can't get an AR-15.
I mean, it's very, this is a very, the bottom line is it's a very controlled society.
And unfortunately, I think this is the proto, the prototype of the rest of America if the liberals, you know, keep control of all three branches of government.
Yeah, that's right.
That is a preview of coming attractions for the rest of America.
Okay.
Well, how about this?
As long as you're there, we'll keep connecting and you keep us informed of what's happening.
And I'll report from Texas on, you know, how bad the lockdowns get here or whatever's going to happen here.
I don't know.
But even during the first lockdown, by the way, I never felt locked down because I live on a ranch.
I'm just out on the ranch walking around, you know, just enjoying nature.
I never...
I never suffered any lockdowns at all.
I'm not trying to make light of other people's lockdowns.
I know that they were very serious, but my point is living in the country is the answer.
Where you want freedom, go to the country.
But we'll touch base with you again.
Thank you for joining us today.
It's been a fascinating conversation.
Thank you.
All right.
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Cottrell.
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