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April 25, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Oath Keepers Stewart Rhodes on CHAZ and defending America against a Marxist insurrection
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- Welcome everyone to Brighton Conversations.
This is Mike Adams, the founder of brighteon.com.
Today, we're joined by a very important guest for the events that are happening in our world right now.
His name is Stuart Rhodes.
He's the founder of Oath Keepers at oathkeepers.org.
The Oath Keepers organization is looking at perhaps doing something to help defend the United States of America against this foreign enemy invasion, this occupation of treasonous traitors in the so-called CHAZ Seattle zone.
And that's what we're here to ask Stuart about today and also the role of the militia in Thank you, Stuart Rhodes, for joining me today.
It's an honor to have you on.
You bet.
Well, Stuart, so you heard my introduction.
Do you want to just jump right into it?
I've heard a rumor that Oath Keepers is planning on showing up at CHAZ on July 4th.
Is that true?
No, that was posted by someone that's got nothing to do with us.
No, it's not.
That's inaccurate.
But here's your first clue.
That's not us.
We wouldn't post exactly where we're going to be rallying for an objective rally point in the exact time.
Only an imbecile does that.
So that was posted by some guy that just decides he wants to start events, and then he's now running around with loose cannon, frankly.
But we are...
We are planning an operation, if necessary, to go in there and protect people's lives.
That's what we're planning on.
We're working with AP 3% and Washington 3% and AP 3 in Washington.
So what we're doing right now is we're about to send an open letter to President Trump Calling on him to federalize the National Guard and deploy them into Seattle and into Portland, because Portland now is doing the same thing.
He needs to federalize the National Guard and suppress this insurrection.
And the Constitution in Article 1, Section 8 lays out That he can call forth the militia, which includes all of us, and does include the National Guard.
This is where Patriots need to understand is that it's entirely within his powers to call forth the militia, which includes the National Guard, but also includes all the rest of us as the so-called unorganized militia.
And so what we're going to tell him is that if you want our help, us experienced veterans, we will come help also.
Call us up as a militia.
You can attach this right to the National Guard units and go in there and restore order.
But at the very least, use the National Guard.
That's what he should do.
But if he doesn't do that, then we're going to let him know that we will.
So that's where we're at.
But we're not going to give a definite date and a definite time and a definite location.
That's just idiotic and foolish.
So the guy that did that has got his head up his ass, frankly.
Right.
I talked to him on the phone and he admitted that he did it as a joke, but now it's growing legs.
Oh, I see.
I encouraged him to publish a retraction, but he's just doubling down and now saying he's going to open up a forward operating base inside of Chaz.
He has no idea.
Okay.
He's untrained, incompetent, and he needs to understand that.
And he needs to step back and let the guys that know what they're doing handle it.
And let us handle it on our own timeline.
So it really kind of ticks me off.
It really does.
Yeah, well, it makes sense that it would.
What do you think about the city of Seattle providing hardened concrete barrier defensive structures for the CHAZ terrorists there?
It's as if the city is building a bunker around CHAZ. We're in a civil war.
That's where we're already at.
And it's been going on for decades.
It's been an information civil war.
I mean, that's why Alex Jones' show is called Infowar.
He was correct about that.
But we've been, you should call it a cold war, but now it's becoming, it's basically now going full-blown weather underground.
Imagine if back in the late 60s, early 70s, the weather underground had seized territory, seized police precincts, and declared their own independent sovereignty inside the United States.
But imagine they'd already taken over governments inside of major cities, that they had fellow travelers, part of their own group, actually in power.
Keith Ellison there in Minnesota.
So that's where we're at, because that's what happened, is the weather underground radicals and the students of democratic society went into government, went into law, went into academia.
They're actually running a lot of these major cities and running a lot of the deep state.
So that's where we're in right now.
And they're also...
Well, I would add it seems like every major corporation across America is now funding groups that are linked to these Black Lives Matter terrorists or Antifa terrorists.
I mean, we have corporate funding.
We have complex logistics.
You know, somebody was delivering the pallets of bricks.
Somebody's been raising the money to bail these people out of jail.
Somebody's been funding the reelection of the DAs that are refusing to prosecute these terrorists, even when they burn down buildings.
And commit violence.
I mean, you're right.
It seems like the radical left has taken over so many institutions.
What are the options left to defend America?
There's the question.
So let's lay out who we're talking about.
Before we can talk about what we do, we have to lay out who we're talking about.
So yes, it's a combined force, a combined arms force between the deep state, the same people who killed Kennedy, and the same people who have been running, you know, the CIA and the Federal Reserve.
All of that combined with the radical left.
This is something we've gone over before.
And of course, the other allies they have are the radical jihadists.
So you've got three major players on that side against us.
You've got the big corporations, like you said, including Google and Facebook and all the rest of them.
And you've got George Soros.
That's who's been funding all the candidacies for all the city attorneys and district attorneys.
And this is why they did it.
So that when they have a situation where their street soldiers, that's the radical Black Lives Matter and Antifa, start becoming violent, they've got protection.
The only people that are ever going to get hammered by the judicial system in this country are people like us.
It's not going to be them.
That's the situation we're in.
Like right now, you have the Citizens Guard or the Civil Guard in New Mexico, a local militia there, that is now facing possibly investigation by the FBI and federal charges for being just present at a place where there was a shooting.
They didn't even do it.
Somebody else shot in one of the Antifa None of the Antifa were prosecuted for their open assault on people, but these guys were just there, are now being prosecuted.
So this is the territory we're in.
Yeah, it seems like the FBI has actually gone all in with the terrorists as well.
You've seen the FBI defending the rights of Black Lives Matter rioters and insurgents, calling them peaceful protesters, while the FBI is investigating and prosecuting individuals who they say are criticizing or threatening Black Lives Matter.
So apparently, if you're a Black Lives Matter terrorist, you can, I guess, burn buildings down.
You can destroy police cars.
You can destroy property.
You can violently attack and potentially kill people.
I guess they can assassinate police officers as well.
And the police departments will just bow down and lick their boots and kneel before them.
And the FBI will join in that.
The FBI was kneeling in that famous photo now as well.
I mean, if the rule of law has collapsed in America and every institution will not defend America, then what remaining option do the people have? - Yeah.
Well, the meaning option they have is the same the founders have.
Their system was also so corrupted and it turned against them that they had to separate themselves and start their own system.
We are in a position, though, we have the founders' system.
So we're in kind of the opposite.
They're the ones that are overthrowing The actual legitimate government of this country, and they're subverting it and destroying it from within.
So we can still stand on that and say that we are the ones defending the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, but you can't look to the courts in this country for any kind of shelter.
What's going to lead to, it's going to go kinetic at some point pretty quick.
And when it does, then the patriots will know that, for example, if they have an altercation with Antifa, they're not going to stick around for the cops to take a report.
They're just going to take care of business.
They're going to disappear because they know they'll have no shelter in the law because the law has been turned against them.
It's very much like what happened in Germany.
When the brown shirts were beating people in the streets, it got to the point where they were sheltered by the law.
The police were ordered to stand down and were dissolved, eventually taken over by the SS. But all local police initially were dissolved for the same reason, to give the brown shirts free reign.
And they had legal protection as well.
Same thing here.
That's what's going to happen here.
What would this look like then?
Like short-term, spontaneous kinetic combat raids against Antifa terrorists by small teams?
I think what it looks like first is very much what the founders did.
When General Gage landed in Boston and took over Boston, they didn't attack his position.
They instead moved the center of their resistance to Concord, right?
So the Patriot leaders went to Concord, and that's where they raised their militias, out in the countryside where they had more strength and more support.
And then Gage had to go chase after them.
This is an important lesson for Patriots right now.
That's why it's foolish to just leap into Seattle, for example, because you'll be seen as the aggressors.
You'll have absolutely no legal protection whatsoever, so you get arrested.
The Seattle police and Seattle SWAT team will show up for you.
They'll do nothing about Antifa or Radical Black Lives Matter or New Black Panther, but if you show up to go and clean the streets out, they will show up for you.
So it's a mistake at this point to go rushing in there.
It's better to do what we have been doing across the country, not just Oath Keepers, but Open Carry, Texas, and the three percenters across the country have been protecting small-town America because radical Antifa and Black Lives Matter activists have been coming out intentionally into small-town America, but doing and the three percenters across the country have been protecting small-town America because radical Antifa I took part in six operations in Texas to protect small towns that were being basically invaded by Antifa and Black Lives Matter, like probing attacks.
Broken windows, for the most part, not anything too serious, but I think that the presence of patriots who were standing watch prevented from getting worse.
But that's the better posture to be in.
It's better to wait, let them come and be the aggressors.
That way, when it goes kinetic, they're the ones who aggressed, and you'll have a better standing when it comes to the middle America looking at you and going, okay.
They came from the city all the way out into small-town America and attacked people.
They got the shit shot out of them.
But who is the aggressor?
That's what you want.
So it's sticky and dangerous for us to go into their strongholds and attack them.
That's what I'm saying.
Understood.
What about the argument that if they hold the cities and they hold the capital buildings and they control the legislatures and all the local mayors and city councils and even governors are bowing down to them, then don't they control all the power structures of the country?
They don't need to go into rural America to overthrow America, in other words.
They can just take over the cities and rule from there.
No, they've got to come after you eventually.
They're already doing it.
I mean, in their own foolishness, because they've been brainwashed.
This is what happened.
There's all those radical, I call them radical clerics, but radical Academics have brainwashed all these kids to believe that America is inherently racist and evil and must be confronted.
And so small-town America is still racist and evil, and they've got to come out and confront them.
So they're not going to be able to help themselves.
They're going to be coming into rural communities.
They're going to keep doing that, and eventually they're going to go to Connecticut.
So they'll do it.
But here's the first question I have, though, is where is Trump?
So in all this equation of what's going on, we have a president Who's the commander-in-chief over the armed forces and over the militia, including the National Guard, but also including the rest of us.
What is he doing?
He has the authority right now to suppress, he has a duty to suppress this insurrection.
And he can do it by federalizing the National Guard so they're no longer under the command of the governors or under his command only.
He can do that right now and he should do that right now.
So why is he not doing that is the real big question here.
Well, I can't read his mind, but I would suppose the fact that the entire media is against him and that CNN is just waiting to capture footage of what they would portray as an overly aggressive military response against what they're portraying as a peaceful Group of protesters like a hippie commune in Chaz because they don't want you to know the truth about all the gun running and all the...
I mean, I've seen videos now of people claiming that Chaz terrorists, Black Lives Matter terrorists, are going door to door, kicking in doors, looting homes, and raping women who are basically prisoners of war inside those six city blocks.
But the mainstream media, of course, won't cover any of that.
So here's what we're going to do.
We're going to offer our protection to people inside of that zone who want us to come in and protect their home or their business.
That's what we're going to do.
So when we do that, it's very, very similar to what we did in Ferguson when we were on the rooftops in Ferguson.
We got an invitation in writing from a person who owned a business there, happened to be a black woman who owned a bakery, and then we got the consent of her neighbors, and above their shops were apartments.
In central downtown Seattle, it's very similar.
A lot of shops and then apartments above them.
So if we get someone who actually lives there, so we put this public appeal out right now, if you live inside that zone and you want us to come protect you, to keep you safe and alive, and eventually being raped, Let us know and we'll come do it.
But that puts us in a better posture.
Instead of us trying to go do the National Guard's job by cleaning out the streets, we have no authority to do that.
But we can go protect individuals on private property.
Absolutely.
And we've done that before.
So that's the strategy that will work.
Not a bunch of street fighters from Proud Boys or something trying to rush in there and go and just do a street beatdown.
That's not going to work.
They're going to get shot doing that.
You're going to wind up in a firefight.
And it'll be seen as the aggressors.
So I want to be in a defensive posture watching over one particular person Preferably a sympathetic, the first one should be some senior citizen or something, some old lady, for example, would be great.
We'll protect her.
If they aggress on us at that point and it goes kinetic, that's a ground I'm willing to fight on because now I've got a better legal defense of self-defense and defense of others.
Then, hey, we're going to go clean the streets out.
Let's beat our chests and act like tough guys.
That ship has sailed.
We are now in a kinetic environment.
That's what people need to understand.
The days of dressing up and LARPing with shields and looking like you're trying to do a renaissance fair reenactment, those days are gone.
The days of base stick man are gone.
It's now rifles because these guys are armed and they have the full support and defense of the legal infrastructure and they know it.
So they're going to go kinetic.
Right.
Well, and the media is pretending that the CHAZ terrorists are not armed.
They're not showing the footage of the border security guards with AR-15s, typically.
Some of the guns handed out by the alleged warlord, you know, AK-47s, to the hands of the commons.
Right.
Right, right.
So, but of course, there's no question that the city will call the police on your people, if your people are armed, and then the media will say, oh my gosh, look at these, you know, armed, whatever they want to call you, militia members, you know, they'll call you white supremacists, whatever, without any evidence, of course, and they'll say that you are bringing the escalation of violence to the area, and then if any shooting starts, of course, it'll be your fault, even if you didn't start it.
Well, that's why we have to be on private property defending somebody who did give us consent.
That's the defensible.
I mean, hey, this is the environment we're in.
If Trump is not going to do his duty, he has an absolute duty and necessity to suppress his insurrection.
If he doesn't, he's going to keep growing like a cancer.
I know the arguments.
The argument is, oh, let them show their ass, let the left, you know, everyone get a lesson on what it's like to live under the leftists, and then they'll reject that.
They won't.
Just as the inner city across America has not rejected socialist and leftist policies, they've just lived under it and continue to vote Democrat.
They'll never learn their lesson because they've been brainwashed to believe that whatever ills come from their little bubble of socialism is not their fault.
It's really the fault of the big bad conservatives out there, and it's all America's fault.
It'll be the same thing here.
If Chaz implodes in a disaster, it's either, oh, the wrong people were in charge, or, well, that's because you guys, you know, you're intervened or you did something wrong, otherwise it would have been a utopia.
Well, that's the argument of Venezuela right now.
They say Venezuela is only in a state of collapse because it's America's fault.
It has nothing to do with the socialist corruption policies.
Communists always say.
When I was at Yale Law School, I had a classmate who was a self-described communist from New York City.
And I said, well, you know, what about Stalin, all the murder he committed?
She said, I was America's fault.
If the United States had not intervened in Russia history by supporting the white Russians, the resistance, then that wouldn't have happened.
That was her excuse.
That's how it always goes.
So that's why the argument that, well, Trump is letting them, you know, he's playing, you know, Six-degree chess or whatever, and he's letting them show what it's like to live under socialism, and that's going to mean more votes for him.
He'll get reelected, and it'll be less votes for Democrats.
That's all nonsense.
All this is going to do is embolden them, and they're going to take more territory.
And when they take all this territory, you're going to have open election fraud, rampant open election fraud, because no one will be able to do anything about it because they control every piece of that machine that's It'll be a massive voting bloc.
So you'll have an absolutely illegitimate election, and then you'll have a civil war.
You know, even I vacillated on this issue.
I found it endlessly entertaining to see some of the videos coming out of CHAZ. For example, their insane attempts at agriculture, where they don't know how to garden and grow food.
I mean, yeah, it's entertaining, but you're right.
At the tip of all that, you know, Really driving all that is Marxism, full-blown communism.
They want a revolution.
They want to kill conservatives and Christians and Trump supporters.
They are armed.
They've used various forms of essentially IEDs already.
And they are willing to kill people to continue to seize territory.
They're an enemy force occupying America.
And the local law enforcement has been ordered to stand down.
And by the way, if Trump tried to nationalize the Washington State National Guard, Don't you think Governor Inslee would go to war with Trump over that and try to say, no, they're my troops?
Of course you would.
Or he would.
But here's the...
Is it a man or a woman?
I can't remember.
Inslee's a man.
I mean, allegedly.
Who knows at this point?
I don't know.
Yeah, well, Kate Brown in Oregon is who I was thinking of.
So yes, that's the whole point.
Okay, so even if they get the Washington National Guard to stand down, which I don't think they would, but even if that's true, okay, bring in the Montana National Guard or the Idaho National Guard.
It wouldn't just be Washington State's National Guard.
He could federalize the National Guard, and he should, of the entire nation, every single state.
He should do that.
And he ought to call all us veterans up to age 65 under federal statutes.
We're still subject to call up because of our prior training experience.
And he can do that, and he should.
But I know he won't because he's got advisors in his ear telling him, That you need to get reelected.
The only way to get reelected is to let them do all this crap and let those Democrat-controlled cities fall into anarchy, become little Mogadishus.
Go right ahead and let them do that, is what he's being told.
I know that's what he's being told.
But the problem with that is that's not going to guarantee him a re-election, because it'll only embolden the left, and like I said, then they'll commit massive vote fraud.
It's like being...
I'm trying to be vulgar about this, but it's like being abused by a bully and thinking, well, everyone will see how bad he really is if I let him keep on abusing me, and then eventually I'll prevail.
No, what's going to stop him is a good punch in the nose.
That's what Trump needs to do right now is put his foot down.
Seems like this year, too, that just Democrats across the country are so filled with rage and hatred toward America that they will commit massive vote fraud without even having to be ordered to do so.
They will do it on their own.
Because they're defeating fascism.
They're defeating Nazism.
Of course they will.
So they've been brainwashed to believe, here's what's been done to America.
Is entire generations of Americans have been conditioned to believe that this country is fundamentally illegitimate, imperialist, and racist, and must be overthrown.
And so, yes, they will do whatever it takes.
You know, they defend burning down cities as a way to get the establishment to see the grievances of black people.
That's what they're conditioning people to believe, is that this is all about, and it's not at all, this is about communism.
But they wrap it in race because they want to make it seem like, hey, we just love everybody, but these evil fascists want to oppress black people and murder them.
So the only way to stop the murdering of black people is to overthrow the system.
That's what they're now spinning.
They're trying to convince, and they've been successful.
About half this country believes that the only way to actually have I wouldn't even call it equality anymore.
Now it's gone way beyond being equal.
Now it's justice, right?
Social justice is no longer equality.
It's not Martin Luther King's, I have a dream where my children would grow up in a country where it will be judged by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin.
They've abandoned that.
Now it's, oh no.
It's like you've got to prove, you've got to be, like I was watching one of the speakers at a small town event, it was Granbury, where they're protecting the town, and one of their speakers said, it's not enough to not be racist.
You have to be anti-racist, is what she said.
And silence is violence also.
So if you're white, you have to be basically anti-white and anti-conservative.
In other words, you have to be a communist.
If you're not a communist that sees everyone around you as guilty, unless they're black, everybody else is guilty, and your entire country is illegitimate, if you don't believe that, Then you're being violent.
That's what they're telling everybody.
Well, these are tactics, of course, ripped right out of the pages of history with, you know, the brown shirts and the Bolsheviks and the Stalinists and so on, where they tried to shame their political opponents in the streets.
You know, they had to wear signs of shame or have their hair shaved off or whatever.
And today we see the same thing where all these white people, even the CEO of Chick-fil-A was out there kneeling down and like polishing the shoes of some black rap artist.
I'm like, what?
What's that got to do with fast food chicken, you know?
But the insanity is there, like, you're in a hotel right now.
Did you have pancakes for breakfast?
Well, you're a racist if you use Aunt Jemima syrup, you know?
The insanity has gone off the charts.
Well, that's what they did, though.
The Weather Underground, in fact, so this is an important piece of history.
They came out of the SDS. They came out of the Students Democratic Society.
After a national convention, I think it was like 1968, they had a split.
The Maoists wanted to keep focusing on We're good to go.
They abandoned the idea of a working class being their focal point.
Instead, they went to identity politics.
Race, nation of origin, focusing on indigenous people as being at the top of the ladder, sex, and then of course all the weird alphabet now, the different sex identifications.
That's the identity politics they adopted and became overtly racist.
It's very racist.
So it's now, it's what's ironic about it, is they're now like the most racist element, the largest group of racists in America are on the radical left.
There's millions of them, and they're extremely racist, but yet they call us racists as their way of attacking this country.
Well, of course.
They are fascists and they call themselves anti-fascists.
I mean, of course, they always project what they are onto everybody else.
That's pretty much Nazis.
They're like weird, bizarro versions of Nazis.
They're racist fascists who use that label against their opponents.
Right, right.
Now, a lot of the members of your organization are current members of law enforcement or retired law enforcement.
What is the internal conversations, if you don't mind sharing, about the decision of the DA in Atlanta to charge that law enforcement officer who shot in self-defense?
Obviously, I think the man's name was Mr.
Brooks, an African-American, who grabbed a police officer's taser and fired the taser.
You know the story.
The police officer shot him, and of course, Black Lives Matter, they got angry, and they burned down the Wendy's and all that.
But they charged this police officer with murder.
Murder.
What are the conversations around that among your members?
Well, let's step back for a moment.
Here's the reality, is there is a problem inside the ranks of police.
It's a legitimate problem.
But that problem is across the board.
It's not just targeted blacks, okay?
So you've had, like, what was the name of the young man from Granbury, Texas, who was crawling on his knees in a hallway in a hotel in Arizona?
I don't know.
Shaver, I think his name was.
Remember that video, though?
Mm-mm.
Okay.
So, long story short, he was pulling an air rifle out the window while he was climbing around, and the SWAT team showed up, and then they made him crawl towards them while he was drunk, crawling on his knees, and when he went to pull his pants up, they shot him.
But he was white.
So my point is that there's a problem inside the police ranks of Abuse of power and not rooting out bad cops.
Like Chauvin, for example, when he killed George Floyd.
A bad cop should never have been in the service.
So our senior officers have said to me that there is a systemic problem, for example, during their field training period, that's when you're supposed to root out the ones that don't belong.
Either they're emotionally or mentally not competent, or they're just bad guys.
And you root them out.
The problem is that the bean counters and the brass at the top don't want to waste money on an officer they've trained.
They don't want to fire them.
So they'll retain bad cops.
The fuel training officers are not allowed to actually purge out bad apples.
So from the beginning, they're kept.
And then they get in the civil service protection bracket with all the police unions, and now they retain bad cops.
So for example, the cop in Florida who cowered behind the car, And while the kids were being killed in the high school, he was reinstated with full back pay.
So there's a legitimate problem.
Bad cops are not being purged out and they're being retained and protected by the police unions.
That's a legitimate problem.
But that's a problem that cuts across all lines.
And there's also a problem with overuse of SWAT teams.
Okay?
But that happens to white Americans and black Americans and Hispanics and everybody else.
So it's not a racial issue.
It's a problem with bad police and the culture of the police departments being retained.
So that's a legitimate problem.
What they've done now is, again, they've racialized something that shouldn't be racialized.
It's not really a racial problem.
It's a police culture problem of retaining bad cops.
So that's a legitimate problem.
I'm sorry.
Do you agree or disagree with Trump's executive order that called for barring chokeholds and having a federal database of police abuse and things like that?
I don't.
I don't agree with, I mean, hey, one of the easiest ways to subdue somebody is put them in a rear naked choke and put them to sleep.
If you do it right, they'll wake back up, knock them unconscious, cut off their carotid, knock them unconscious, cuff them, and they'll wake right back up and they'll be fine.
So what happened with Sheldon is he held that position way beyond.
You put your knee on someone like that to cuff them.
Yeah, it was his knee and his body weight.
Right.
Once they're cuffed, then you lay them on their side for your problem sitting up.
And if you're worried about them getting up and running around, you shackle their legs.
That's what our trained officer said.
And that's what he was trained to do.
What he didn't do was his training.
So what he did was not what he was trained to do.
It wasn't like that's a technique.
That was abused.
That's not the proper technique.
You know what I'm saying?
Right.
So when you're cupping somebody, yeah, you kneel on their head or whatever you got to do, but once they're cupped, you can lay them on their side or you otherwise get them off their stomach because that's what they call positional asphyxiation.
And the knee across his neck, that's cutting off the karate.
It's like a choke.
So he held that intentionally.
He killed that man.
He should be prosecuted for homicide.
Well, he is being prosecuted for homicide.
Well, yeah, but I'm just saying I agree with it.
And we agree with it.
I mean, none of the cops in our organization looked at that and said that was somehow okay.
He did not follow his training.
And the cops around him Didn't intervene.
So I think what needs to happen is police should have an affirmative duty to stop a fellow officer from doing something like that, from killing somebody in front of them.
In other words, when they step outside their training and do something because they get angry or upset and they want to exact some revenge on somebody, the other officers can pull them off and have them go chill out and they handle it.
That's what should be done.
And so the other officers should have pulled him off.
Well, what about the fact that so many police officers are now, they are resigning nationwide and especially in Atlanta because of the way one of their fellow officers was treated?
This has been mishandled from top to bottom.
So the answer is not to start prosecuting every cop that's involved in a shooting.
And the answer is not to condemn them all as bad.
The answer is, okay, let's actually ferret out the bad ones.
That's the answer.
It's not banning entire categories of chokeholds, for example.
When you're going to fight with somebody and you've got no other way, some guys have hard heads.
You're not going to knock him unconscious with a nightstick.
They'll just bounce right off.
But if you cut off his blood flow, they'll go to sleep.
Don't take that away from police officers because they'll go to the deadly force instead.
What are they going to do?
Right.
Well, but then to redirect to you here, wouldn't Trump's executive order actually help root out some of the bad cops by documenting?
Well, first of all, by what authority does he have any authority whatsoever to tell the local police department what they can and can't do?
He has no authority.
Seems like the DOJ would have some authority if they assert...
I mean, I know at least Obama asserted a lot of DOJ authority over local PDs.
They don't.
And that's the problem.
What we don't want to have is a nationalization of police as the supposed solution.
That's why the national database is dangerous.
Because this is what happened in Germany, and not just Germany, other countries, is they nationalize the police.
And when you have a nationalized police service, like all these sheriffs, for example...
Across the country, all these rural sheriffs standing up and saying, I'm not going to enforce unconstitutional gun control laws in my state.
Good for them.
What happens when they're all nationalized and now you've got some socialists in the White House?
Right.
Right.
You don't want that.
So I think it's a mistake.
So what Trump should do is he should lead by example.
He should say, in the federal departments, I'm going to purge out the bad cops.
Like, hey, some of the guys in the HRT who killed Finicum, for example, let's start rooting out, cleaning up the FBI. Lead by example.
That's what he should do.
I'm going to go root out the bad guys inside of federal law enforcement, and I'm going to call on all of the law enforcement in the country to do the same.
Now, if they don't, then yes, the DOJ can step in and prosecute someone for violations of civil rights.
They can do that.
That's like 1983 claims and all that.
They can do these things.
But I think it's extremely dangerous to just federalize the police across the country.
And it's constitutional, too.
And we've heard a lot of suggestions that all police should wear body cameras.
How about this?
Here's an idea.
Why don't we make members of Congress wear body cameras 24-7 and then download their videos for public scrutiny?
I mean, if you're representing the people...
The CIA already has all that, right?
That's what Epstein was doing.
They've got the video footage of all the Congress critters.
They probably got that.
Sure.
Yeah.
Well, no, I know, but I mean...
If we're all about transparency now in this country of officers and so on, what about transparency of the lawmakers?
Because, you know, the biggest looting happening in this country is not Black Lives Matter, technically.
It's the Federal Reserve and the money printing.
That's what's kind of sad, is Americans...
Americans are being conditioned to hate each other and eventually to kill each other.
We're being set up.
Like we're being poked.
Like the meme that's going around of the person poking the donkey and the elephant.
Come on, have a civil war.
That's what's being done to us.
The people up at the top are setting us all up.
And that goes for all these antifa knuckleheads.
I feel sorry for them in a way.
Because they're going to die in combat.
They're going to get killed by actual warriors who know how to fight.
All the recent Iraq and Afghanistan veterans are going to wind up killing these idiots, and they're going to die believing they were fighting Nazis when all they were fighting was just guys that want to be left to hell alone.
That's where we're at.
That's what they're pushing us.
I think body cams for police is a very good idea.
I think it's a great idea.
It helps lessen the corruption.
Like, for example, in the George Floyd killing, if there wasn't videotape of that, he might have gotten away with it.
Because there is that culture among police to cover for each other.
And this is the problem, is all the good cops have not done their duty to purge out the bad ones.
That's reality.
That's a legitimate problem.
And people on the political right and libertarian right have been pointing out all the problem with all the warrior cop mentality and the war on drugs and the overuse of SWAT teams on one of them.
And this is all legitimate.
Those are legitimate grievances that need to be fixed.
You know, you shouldn't be doing, like in Montana, it's illegal to do a nighttime raid in someone's home, unless there's like a hostage or something.
They can't do drug raids at night in Montana.
It wouldn't be smart anyway.
It would be a bad idea.
So that culture needs to change.
The idea of doing these 4 o'clock in the morning no-knock or knock-and-bash raids, that's got to stop.
That use of SWAT teams has gone way beyond anything that they originally intended for.
There's no hostage.
Yeah, and half the time they have the wrong address.
Well, if it's the right address, then you're innocent to prove guilty.
But they come in with guns drawn, and if you wake up and go, like Jose Herrera, the Marine Corps veteran who was killed in Tucson, we protested against that.
And the reason why is because they could have just had him stay at work.
He worked graveyard at a mine, but they let him get off work.
They could have pulled him over on the way home.
They could have just...
You know, gone in when he was still on the job and said, hey, hang tight here.
We're going to do a search on your house.
They could have done all that while he was outside of his house.
But they let him get into his house, go to bed, and then they raided his place like 10 o'clock in the morning.
He was asleep.
And then he answered.
He jumped up with an AR-15 in his hand because he doesn't know who the hell is coming through his front door.
And then they wasted him.
Well, look, I mean, you're right.
Some of these SWAT team guys, they are adrenaline junkies.
I've met many of them.
Some of them?
You mean all of them.
Yeah, okay.
All right, fair enough.
I know some that are not that way, but yeah, most of them are.
Well, they're roid ragers.
A lot of them take steroids to muscle up, and then they actually get emotionally imbalanced because of the steroids and everything.
I hope I'm not saying anything new.
Well, and they enjoy what they're doing.
I mean, in the Jose Herrera killing, you look at the footage from inside the MRAP, they're playing rock music on the way there, getting all pumped up, and they jump out, they're playing some ACDC or something, and they jump out with their guns in their hand and go stack up.
So they're getting all piped up and ready to go.
Yeah, exactly.
All right, let's shift gears here for a minute.
Going back to the kinetic, almost civil war scenario that you mentioned earlier, the question I wanted to ask you about that is, you were talking about how they would eventually come out into the countryside to try to raid rural areas of America.
Do you think that these Antifa terrorists and Black Lives Matter terrorists, do they have any idea how vulnerable their cities are in terms of infrastructure?
Because all the infrastructure is out in the country.
You know, the electrical supply, the water supply is brought in, you know, even the food is brought in through highways that come through the country.
Do they have any idea how vulnerable they are if they try to take this thing to a Civil War stage?
Well, that's why I think the plan on their side most likely is to defeat Trump by whatever mechanism.
Get rid of him and then control the federal government and then come for us, where they can defend the cities and preserve their infrastructure and then come for middle America and then use all the federal assets to do it.
That's their plan.
But the thing is, their own street soldiers might have a different idea.
So we'll see how it goes.
But here's what I know.
We have a duty.
Our duty is to defend life and liberty and defend the Constitution.
And our primary focus right now is to be defensive, as we're doing across the country.
But that also goes for inside these so-called no-go zones.
No such place as a no-go zone in America.
But we have to do it smart.
So what we will do is we're going to offer protection.
And if an individual inside that area wants our protection, then it's a matter of duty.
We can't let them.
If they're asking for help, we can't ignore those pleas.
We just can't do that.
So we'll go in to defend that individual.
And we'll go in ready in case or in the event that Antifa decides to take it kinetic, we'll answer.
You know, we'll defend ourselves and defend the person we're protecting.
So that's where we're at.
And it's extremely dangerous.
But I see this as a duty that we just can't shirk.
But I'm really pissed off at Trump, though, because he's the one that actually, if he federalizes the National Guard and the National Guard goes in there, no local prosecutor is going to successfully prosecute National Guardsmen for shooting Antifa if they have to, to purge out those streets and suppress that insurrection.
They would have the maximum legal protection for If they did that under his command, that's what should happen.
And that's how it's supposed to be.
But he's not doing what he should be doing.
Well, how long is, let's say your organization, I know you're not going to talk about specific timing, but obviously Oath Keepers and other groups are allowing Trump and perhaps the DOJ some amount of time to do the right thing, but at some point, you know, it's obvious they're not going to do anything.
How do you even make that kind of decision?
I mean, how much time should the president be allowed to do the right thing?
Well, like you said, I'm not going to discuss timelines.
So, We'll see.
We're going to get this in his hands, hopefully, and hopefully get directly in his hands and just say, this is what you need to do.
And the talk's ticking.
But in our way of kind of getting the ball rolling is, like I said, we'll offer our protection to people who want it inside of those zones.
And then we'll go in to protect them.
And that's how we're going to do it.
And that might happen three days after we give the offer out.
We don't know.
But what I'm saying is we're not going to go in there to clean the streets out.
That's what a lot of people are saying.
The conservatives are going to go retake the streets.
They don't really have the authority to do that.
I mean, I hate to break it to them.
I understand the logic.
I understand what they're trying to say.
But I think it's a mistake to go in there and try to clean the streets out.
Under what authority are you doing it and what legal protection are you going to have?
The answer is zero.
So I think it's better to go protect individuals, one individual at a time, and one house at a time.
It's kind of like the Ramadi strategy, where you go back and you take back this little pocket, that little pocket.
If you do it on private property, that's your legal standing.
That's your legal shelter saying, I'm here to protect that individual.
Right, especially when that individual has invited you and asked for protection in the context of the police standing down.
What are they supposed to do?
They dial 911 and they're told, ah, sorry, your zone is no longer part of our city.
You know what?
What?
That's how it went in Ferguson.
It became clear to us that the governor was going to do nothing to protect the actual shop owners.
The National Guard was brought in, but they only protected government buildings and then basically the rich neighborhoods.
They left the poor part of town to burn.
They were doing nothing to protect people.
And the cops were overwhelmed.
And so we went in and did what couldn't be done by the government.
That's where we're at now.
Same thing.
But I think that's the best strategy.
It's worked for us in the past.
We've done it before, and we're going to do the exact same thing here, although the stakes are much higher.
I think the likelihood of it going kinetic is much, much higher than it was in Ferguson because of the true believer communists that are in that area.
Well, I've got a couple of questions for you about that.
Number one, for people watching who want to, let's say, financially support your efforts to defend innocent people in that area, do you accept donations at OathKeepers.org, or how do you raise money?
Yeah, we do.
So they can go to OathCupers.org and click Donate.
We're working with a coalition.
Like I said, it's AP3, Washington 3%.
That's who we're working with in Washington.
What's their website?
Combined Element.
What's that?
What's the Washington 3% website?
You know what?
Good question.
Okay, we'll find it.
We'll put it on screen.
Yeah, I think it's mostly on Facebook.
But it's run by recent combat veterans.
They're all good guys.
I know them.
I've known them for quite some time.
They're good people.
Very confident.
So unlike some other groups that are not run by veterans, this one is run and led by recent combat vets.
So they're squared away.
Okay, next question.
You hear two different stories about these Antifa, Black Lives Matter people in the area.
On one hand, they're often described as kind of pussified, soy boy weaklings who are normally playing video games in their parents' basements.
And then on the other hand, You hear that many of them have actually been trained in combat.
They're carrying arms.
They appear to be at least familiar with how an AK-47 cycles, for example.
Things like that.
What's your take on the actual mix of, you know, the combat readiness, so to speak, of the individuals that you might be needing to defend against?
Well, I mean, they do have a John Brown Gun Club, the Redneck Revolt.
Those are the more of the usually armed elements on the radical left.
Like, for example, the radical leftist who attacked the ICE Center up there outside Tacoma, he was part of the Red Net Revolt.
So they do have some veterans in these groups that are training the rest of them, so there is more training going on.
We've seen, I would call it, an increase in competency or training on that side, that they've been training.
So I don't think it's, I think it's a mistake to take it for granted that you're facing bumbling idiots.
You might be facing some veterans, sadly, on the other side, and you might be facing guys who are trained by veterans.
So I think that's a mistake.
So I think the, and of course, when you talk about the new Black Panther Party, same thing.
They've got some veterans, Ranger veterans and SF veterans that have gone over to that side And the training New Black Panther Party, for example.
I do know that's happening.
Do your people realize that, you know, if you are being attacked by, let's say, a large number of Black Lives Matter terrorists, you will get no help from the police or the guard.
But if your group were to attack them, then, of course, the police would step in to defend the terrorists.
So, you know, you are really on your own there in an enemy nation.
You're behind enemy lines.
Yeah, that's why it's an extremely volatile and risky thing to do.
But that's why we haven't just jumped in there.
President Trump needs to do his duty.
It's baffling.
It's as though Hillary Clinton won the election.
When it comes to what's happening on the ground in Portland and Seattle, it's as though Hillary were president.
I challenge you to show me the difference.
Right.
So on the ground, it's no different.
So Trump has got to do his duty.
This is a matter of duty.
He's charged by the Constitution to see that the laws are faithfully executed.
Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution guarantees to each state a Republican form of government.
Nobody elected these thugs who are running that area and are lording over the people.
It's like Lord of the Flies there.
So all of that, and you can say, well, they deserve it.
They're leftists or whatever.
They're still Americans.
They still have rights.
The women that are being raped have a right not to be raped.
I don't care what their politics are.
So that's where we're at.
So we look at this and go, okay, we have a duty to stop this from happening.
That's how we feel about it.
And this is not a good thing.
It's not like this is going to be some kind of joy ride.
You know, we might want a prison to do this, but we're full-on bound to do it.
So we're going to go in there and try to do it as confidently as we can with the best legal standards we possibly can to defend life.
And that's it.
Okay, and you don't have to answer this if this is too sensitive, but is there any sense of how many armed terrorists are in that area?
I mean, are we talking, you know, 20 or 200?
You know, what kind of numbers are we dealing with?
It's very fluid.
We do know that the leadership from the Rose City Antifa from Portland went up to Seattle.
Their leaders were there.
Obviously to go learn how it was done in Seattle and go back to Portland.
And so they share manpower.
They go back and forth.
So it's hard to say.
Then you might get a bunch of the rapper's buddies come in.
They're all carrying.
They come and go.
So it's hard to say exact numbers.
That's something that we'll try to nail down before we actually go in there.
So I think it's fluid.
It's kind of like Mogadishu.
Keep going back to that.
It's kind of like Black Hawk down.
You know, what you think you might face, the actual official groups or warlords, and then you've got how many other people will show up, you know?
Right.
Right.
Well, I just say, don't go light on the ammo.
No, no, we'll get in.
Trust me.
When we go in there, we'll be prepared and...
The odds are in our favor.
Yeah, I mean, right.
Well, I know some of my friends were deployed in, well, they were actually serving as private contractors in Puerto Rico after the hurricane to try to reestablish the rule of law.
And I think their daily, just their daily chest rig was 10 to 12 mags.
Of 556.
Even when there was no risk of...
There was no civil war there.
It was just people basically needing food and basically looters stealing copper from the downed power lines and all that.
But they were carrying 10 to 12 mags.
Plus a sidearm in addition to the rifle and whatever else.
It was a pretty heavy load for a non-war situation.
I mean, they hated it because it's hot as crap down there.
You're sweating all the time.
But they were smart to do that because you never know.
And if you get in a situation where you got no other way to resupply, what you got is what you got.
That's how it goes.
Yeah.
Well, maybe you'll have some patriots with drones that can drop, like, resupply ammo drops with little parachutes onto the rooftops.
Okay.
Well, Stuart, look.
Yeah?
Well, no.
So, I mean, in all seriousness...
Trump needs to fill the vacuum.
The vacuum, they're creating a vacuum right now.
And they're creating a vacuum.
And yes, they want him to come and drop the hammer.
But the National Guard can do it in a way that is, they've got riot training, they have the equipment.
They can do it in a way that minimizes the risk to life.
And that's what we're going to advocate that he do.
And he can do it right.
And he needs to do it, because if he doesn't do it, this is going to spread.
It's already spread to Portland.
Now Portland's doing the exact same thing.
There have been other attempts at other cities that haven't quite worked out, but they're going to keep pushing.
And at the very least, even if they don't have an official declared autonomous zone, you're going to wind up de facto, like look at Minneapolis, right?
You're going to wind up with, they already took one precinct there, they abandoned the precinct.
So you're going to wind up with de facto rule of warlords in these cities.
And don't expect the cartels from Mexico to just sit by idly.
You know, in the Southwest, they'll start taking over towns.
They'll start taking over cities.
So this is going to turn into Mexico, a mixture between Mexico and Somalia is where we're going.
Well, it'll make Ilhan Omar feel right at home.
Right.
So that's what's going to happen.
So in the big picture...
I think a lot of conservatives are like, oh, let them do that.
Let the cities burn, etc., etc.
They don't care.
But I think that's a mistake.
Because, like I said, there'll be strongholds.
There'll be massive voting blocks for illegal voting.
Now you just won't have any kind of a system of credible voting whatsoever.
And then what do you do?
You know?
Then what?
So the election results, whoever wins this election, you may never know who the legitimate winner was, and no one's going to trust the results.
The other side won't trust it, and we won't trust it either.
That's where we're at.
So here's what I'm telling people to do.
Here's my advice to people, is what you should do right now, every single American who's a patriot needs to call a muster of all the men in your town.
Wherever you live, call the men together and start making your plans for defense of your community.
You need to form neighborhood watches with teeth, you need to form a town watch with teeth, and then a county watch with teeth.
Those are your three levels, neighborhood, town, and county.
And the first foot forward is to say, we'll protect, so long as the police are on the side of the Constitution, we'll protect them and their families, too.
We call that Family Safe.
So you put a Family Safe program in where you watch over the first responder families, police, fire, EMS, etc.
Because Antifa is going around right now and photographing and tagging Police homes.
They're photographing them, marking them on their GPS for later targeting.
That's happening right now.
So you want to get the cops on your side, offer to protect their families, and they've got to start working with you.
The police have got to set aside this thin blue line and we're above the people nonsense.
They've got to unite with patriots across the country down at the small town level.
That's a great idea.
If your local cops won't do that, you drive on anyway.
Armed neighborhood watches, armed town watches.
Let them call, what are they going to call you?
Let them call you Nazis or whatever.
Who cares?
Get yourselves organized.
All you veterans in particular, you've got a duty responsibility to step up and lead and help train your neighbors.
Organize those town watches because you're going to need them.
You're on top of it, Stuart.
I'm very grateful that you're doing what you're doing with Oath Keepers, and I believe that, frankly, people like you and the Three Percenters are America's last hope against lawlessness and terrorism.
I'd appreciate that, but really, the militia is supposed to be every able-bodied man is in the militia, but we just don't organize it.
So that's why we have got to get that resurrected.
It can't be the veterans only in a community are going to defend the community.
It needs to be everybody.
Everyone pulls.
Everyone pulls their own weight.
So if you're not a veteran, you're still in the hot seat.
You're still responsible.
Organize your neighborhood watches, organize your town watch, and then have your veterans train everybody else.
That's what has to happen.
So we had an initiative we called Defend America, and we were up on Discord.
We opened up a forum that was open to the public.
They could come in there.
We would help organize and advise them across the country.
Discord shut us down.
So it lets you know we were over the target.
We got wiped off the Discord.
Thousands of us got kicked off the Discord.
So now we're creating a new forum and we'll do the same thing again.
We'll have one that's members only for Oath Keepers only, but then we're going to have one that's for the public And of course, obviously that's a double-edged sword because bad guys will be in there too.
But we'll use it for initial connections, and then once people make an initial connection, when they can take it offline and go do their planning, we're going to give out advice there.
So stay tuned for that.
We'll announce that on our website and also our social media.
Okay.
All right.
Well said.
Well, I just...
I want to pray for the safety of you and your team members who are exhibiting incredible courage in doing this and encourage all Americans watching this to help financially support your operations.
Because this is the last line of defense, folks, against terrorists taking over America.
And, you know, Oath Keepers, you need to buy night vision.
I'm sure you've got lots, but night vision's expensive.
You know, the good binos are like $7,000 or $8,000.
That's exactly right.
We could use more donations for thermal and night vision.
PBS 14 and thermal are game changers.
We do need more of that, for sure.
Well, thank you, Stuart Rhodes, for joining us.
It's a great honor to have you on, and we hope you'll give us some updates as things unfold here over the next few weeks or months, whatever it is.
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