March 23, 2018 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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| He's the Deputy Director of the Tenth Amendment Center, and he writes also for TheLibertyVoice.com. | |
| His name is Bryce Shonka, and he joins us to talk about a new law in Utah that could challenge the federal government's power grab over states' rights. | |
| Hey Bryce, how you doing today, man? | |
| Great, Mike. | |
| Thank you for having me on. | |
| It's an honor, always, to be with you. | |
| It's good to have you on. | |
| Thanks for joining us. | |
| So tell us about this Utah law. | |
| What's going on with that? | |
| Was it just recently passed? | |
| And does it have a chance of actually challenging the federal government's typical power grab over everything that happens in every state in America? | |
| Well, it's in the introduction stage right now. | |
| It's called the Utah Intrastate Commerce Act. | |
| And it's essentially another step in the same line as the Firearms Freedom Act that was passed in Utah two years ago. | |
| And that basically says that if something is produced and sold and remains in the state, then it's not interstate commerce, it's intrastate commerce, and therefore federal regulations under the Interstate Commerce Clause do not apply. | |
| But as you are well aware, even U.S. Supreme Court rulings have consistently betrayed the original language of the Constitution and have, in effect, granted the federal government the, quote, right to interfere in intrastate commerce. | |
| That's their interpretation of the Commerce Clause. | |
| Do you anticipate this Utah law going to a Supreme Court challenge and trying to strike down that previous interpretation? | |
| Well, the question that we always come to at the Tenth Amendment Center is, who is the final arbiter of what is constitutional and what is not constitutional? | |
| Because as the Constitution applies to the federal government, it only has supreme authority in things that are pursuant to the Constitution. | |
| So if the federal government tries to do something that's outside of their enumerated powers, then it's in essence unconstitutional. | |
| And the question is, who decides what is constitutional and what is not? | |
| I have a hard time believing that the founders intended for the Supreme Court, an unelected group of people that, you know, have their own interests in mind and are part of the federal government, I have a hard time believing that the founders intended for them to be the final arbiters to decide what is constitutional And what is not? | |
| So when you look at the relationship between the federal government and the states, that being the states created the federal government, and it's their servant, then the idea is that We, the people, are the ones who are the final arbiter of what is constitutional and what is not constitutional. | |
| We're at the top of the food chain in the American system of government. | |
| And so in a state like Utah, if there's a consensus that what S-510 does, for instance, is not within the enumerated powers of what the federal government is supposed to be doing, then it's that state's ability to turn that away and say that this is not going to apply in Utah. | |
| That brings up a really interesting point. | |
| So what you're explaining is that the federal government, let's say, is here. | |
| The Supreme Court rules over the federal government, but above the Supreme Court is the states and then the people. | |
| The people are the highest source of power that then grants power to the states or that grants limited powers to the federal government and so on and so forth. | |
| Is that consistent with what you're saying? | |
| Yeah, that's essentially the remarkable aspect of what was created when the U.S. Constitution was ratified. | |
| You know, it was the first government in the history of mankind that put the people at the top and said that the ruling class was actually at the bottom, that they were our servants. | |
| But, once again, it comes down to how is this going to be enforced because the federal government has men with guns. | |
| It has TSA agents, it has FBI agents, it has men and women with guns who will come in and say, we have the right because we're the people with the guns. | |
| I mean, isn't it essentially, at some point, doesn't the state have to almost threaten the federal government to back off with force in order to protect its own sovereign rights? | |
| Sure. | |
| And there's another bill in Michigan that has just been introduced, for example, that deals with the TSA that says that if somebody is groped or touched in a way where there's no probable cause for the search, that that agent is liable to be fined and imprisoned. | |
| And so that's the kind of language we're talking about here. | |
| The Intrastate Commerce Act hasn't been introduced in its final form yet. | |
| It's in the beginnings of the campaign. | |
| But it would be something along those lines that would say if a USDA agent or an FDA agent came in and tried to shut down something, then they could be looking at action from either the county sheriff or state personnel whose duty it is to interpose on behalf of we the people and the people of Utah. | |
| I do see a conflict coming sooner or later between some local sheriff and a group of deputies who would have to arrest federal agents who are violating state law and local law. | |
| I can see many possible scenarios in which that might be called for, in fact. | |
| Not just an act of rebellion, but an act of abiding by the law. | |
| Do you think such a conflict is coming in our near future in America? | |
| I think it's already here. | |
| If you look at, I believe it was Elkhart, Indiana last year, you had a local sheriff who decided he'd had enough of these Gestapo raids on dairy farmers and actually stepped in and started to interpose in that situation. | |
| You've got, you know, a few months ago in California, you had seven California sheriffs and one Oregon sheriff. | |
| That came together for a large public forum. | |
| There must have been a couple hundred people there in attendance. | |
| And the message that they all agreed on was, we haven't been doing our job under the Constitution up until now. | |
| We realize that we've been, you know, letting we the people down and we're ready to stand up and push back against federal overreach. | |
| So this is happening all over the place. | |
| You've got Sheriff Richard Mack is kind of Really pushing this angle and getting the message across to many, many sheriffs across the republic. | |
| Yeah, Richard Mack is doing some great work. | |
| He's definitely a true hero of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. | |
| We wish him support. | |
| Maybe we'll have him on the show and do an interview with him. | |
| But let me ask you this. | |
| Any time states try to stand up for their own rights, their own sovereignty, Against the federal government, we often see the feds making threats. | |
| For example, in Texas, when the Texas legislature was attempting to pass a bill that would have outlawed illegal searches by the TSA, the federal government essentially came in and threatened an economic embargo against the state of Texas threatening to shut down all air traffic to and from the state. | |
| Now that's an act of war. | |
| I mean, there's no other way to put it. | |
| Yeah, and if you ask most Texans, and most of the ones I've spoken to, view that as being absolutely let down by their Senate. | |
| Their House passed it unanimously, and then the Senate was intimidated by the federal government, and so they backed down. | |
| The bottom line is these are threats. | |
| If states all over the republic are doing things like this, the federal government does not have the resources to bring men with guns to 25-35 states and crack down on a host of different issues. | |
| Maybe that's why they signed the NDAA, Bryce, because now they can legalize the use of US military troops. | |
| Could that be part of their plan? | |
| Oh, I'm sure. | |
| If you ask me, it's all about intimidation. | |
| It's all bark, no bite. | |
| I don't think that they have the ability to actually crack down the way that they have tried to create the image of. | |
| And in terms of the NDAA, that's another thing, that in Washington State, I just spoke with Representative Matt Shea yesterday, and he's working on a bill to turn back the NDAA in Washington as being unconstitutional. | |
| So that's beginning as well. | |
| I think that the cat's out of the bag. | |
| And that we the people are really starting to wake up and realize that the relationship has been reversed for far too long and that we need to start telling the feds what to do instead of being intimidated and allowing ourselves to be bullied by the District of Columbia. | |
| Well, what we see historically is that usually the tyranny has to get so bad that there's a backlash and people stand up for their rights and demand them. | |
| And the question is, has the tyranny become bad enough yet to wake people up? | |
| I mean, I think that process has begun, but I don't think it's yet bad enough for a lot of people to wake up out of their comfort zones and out of their hypnosis and out of their... | |
| They're fluoride-induced psychosis to really realize what's going on. | |
| We've only got two minutes left, Bryce. | |
| What do you think is going to happen here in terms of people waking up to this? | |
| It's going to continue to get worse and more and more people are going to continue to wake up. | |
| And that trend will be that way until the people wake up. | |
| That's the only force of resistance that could turn it around and we are definitely starting to see that right now. | |
| Alright, give us your website information so people can learn more about Tenth Amendment Center and the LibertyVoice.com where you write. | |
| What are those website addresses, Bryce? | |
| Sure, it's 10thamendmentcenter.com, T-E-N-T-H. You will find a whole host of different bills that are happening across the country. | |
| We have a legislative tracking page where you can see everything. | |
| TSA bills, food freedom bills, you name it. | |
| So you can track it all right there. | |
| And then thelibertyvoice.com is another site I work for that deals with news, deals with liberty-oriented news in a nonpartisan way. | |
| And it's getting bigger and bigger all the time. | |
| Hey, let me ask you, by the way, what about Ron Paul right now? | |
| Here we are in early 2012. | |
| Ron Paul, despite the fact that they're trying to really Game all the elections against him and they've already been caught fabricating or modifying results to try to push him down, but he's still becoming a top receiver of votes in the caucuses. | |
| What do you see ahead for Ron Paul in 2012? | |
| I think that trend is going to continue. | |
| I've read many progressive blogger articles saying, I voted for Obama last time, and this time I'm voting for Ron Paul. | |
| I think that the truth is really getting out now. | |
| And the beauty of the GOP primary process, a lot of people don't know this. | |
| I just wrote an article about this on Liberty Voice last week after the New Hampshire primary. | |
| After every primary, delegates are sent from that state to the RNC. But those delegates, unlike the Democratic primary process, those delegates are not bound to vote for a particular candidate. | |
| So even if Ron Paul loses every single primary, comes in second to Romney in every single primary, he still has a healthy shot of getting the nomination. | |
| That's interesting. | |
| So that must mean they're really going to try to control or twist the final vote at the RNC. Yeah, which will be difficult because, of course, that count is a visible number of people standing in a certain place on the floor. | |
| So they can't do that one with voting machines. | |
| Well, they can do it with holograms. | |
| They'll try anything, man. | |
| People appearing magically like elves and fairies out of the woodwork. | |
| Well, I don't think they're going to see that one coming. | |
| Four years ago when I was working on Ron Paul's stuff, They were already beginning to prepare to have delegates in place who were liberty people. | |
| And you can bet they're not voting for Romney. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | |
| Well, thanks for joining us today, Bryce. | |
| Always good to check out the latest news from you. | |
| Will you join us again if you've got any breaking news on the Freedom Front? | |
| Absolutely. | |
| Anytime. | |
| All right. | |
| Thanks for joining us. | |
| That was Bryce Schonke, everybody, from the Tenth Amendment Center. | |
| Check out his website, 10thamendmentcenter.com. | |
| He also writes for thelibertyvoice.com. | |
| Got a lot of great information. | |
| And we will be checking in with Bryce from time to time, especially on the issues of states' rights. | |
| And this is a fascinating trend happening in America today, where more and more states are asserting their rights against an overzealous and sometimes tyrannical federal government that claims to have the right to Regulate and control every single thing that you do and every single thing that your state does. | |
| And that is unconstitutional. | |
| That's not what the framers of our Constitution intended. | |
| Federal government has a proper role in our society, but let's put it in its place so that it follows that proper role and doesn't try to become too powerful and too controlling over everything else. | |
| I want to thank Bryce for joining us today, and thank you for watching us here. | |
| This is Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, for naturalnews.com. |
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