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March 20, 2018 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Dane Wigington exposes globalist geoengineering weather control agenda
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Welcome, everyone, to the Natural News interview with Dane Wigington of geoengineeringwatch.com.
He has been one of our most requested guests, I think probably the most requested interviews of all time.
I don't know why we haven't spoken with Dane before, but now with hurricanes, Harvey and Irma breaking ground and Maria on the way, You know, Dane's information is in high demand.
So Dane agreed to sit down with us and have a discussion about geoengineering and what's really going on and maybe sort through some of the disinformation that might be out there as well.
So thank you, Dane, for joining us today.
Thank you, Mike, for having me on to address some of the dire questions surrounding geoengineering.
And truly, this is a subject on which all else depends.
When someone chooses to manipulate the Earth's life support systems, contaminate our air column, I couldn't agree more.
If this manipulation is, in fact, happening, as you will help us understand, it threatens the very future of human life on our planet.
I just want to say, too, before we get into it, that I've heard many of your interviews with other hosts, and I've always found you to be very intelligent, very analytical, and very detailed in your understanding.
I think it's no exaggeration to say that you probably have the most in-depth understanding of this issue of anybody on this topic today.
So I just want to thank you again.
I appreciate saying that.
I'm still trying to learn all the time as well.
This is not a job I wanted.
I've never been an activist or politically oriented, but once one uncovers enough data about this issue, again, and you understand how grave and immediate the threat is, It's just simply an issue that had to be faced.
So not a job I wanted, but I'm very grateful for people like yourself to help share this awareness with others so that they understand the ramifications that this issue is something on which all else, again, depends.
Before we get into some of the in-depth questions here, Dane, lay out the basic premise for people who maybe they're not familiar with your website, geoengineeringwatch.org.
They're not familiar perhaps with who you are or haven't read your work yet.
There's a lot of people out there who don't believe that technology exists for weather control even though you've listed 172 patents.
Absolutely prove it and you know a lot of other work as well, but lay out the basic premise for us Assuming that those listening are not familiar with this topic at all Well, this is a subject that is very difficult for people to get their arms around and to actually quote unquote believe and we need to get past all of us what we believe and look at what what is what is scientifically factually verifiable and with my background And Mike, that's what got me onto this issue.
I grew up in smog, wanted my whole life to be away from that type of air pollution, moved to the Pacific Northwest, large off-grid home in the middle of the wilderness, on the cover of the world's largest renewable energy magazine.
My home was the cover article.
And as soon as I built and began to monitor my solar uptake, I was losing 60%, 70%, 80% of my solar uptake.
I began to research, was astounded, the mountains of data that were available on the geoengineering, climate engineering, solar radiation management issue, a specific goal of which is to block the sun.
I began to test my precipitation samples to give me an idea of what was in the breathable air column.
Showed the primary element in climate engineering patents, aluminum levels that escalated through the roof.
I know your organization has done a lot of testing for those heavy metals too, Mike, and I know you know how harmful they are.
So when I saw a baseline test go from seven parts per billion, which was already high given my filtered forested location, no industry, no roads, subsequent tests over the next decade.
12 months went as high as 3,450 parts per billion.
That's in a single rain event.
You know what that means.
You know how high that is.
To make people understand, we're talking about unimaginably high quantities of aluminum.
I was simply faced with the fact that this issue was going on.
From that point on, I've dedicated my whole life to this issue because it's something that Again, affects every aspect of our life, our health, your life support systems had to be dealt with.
But as far as what people believe, back to your original questions, I would encourage them to abandon any preconceptions or ideologies on this issue.
Just simply look at the facts.
And one final point, Mike, and I'll give this back to you.
It's imperative that when people investigate, use the science terms.
And that's where the quote-unquote Kim Trails term is...
Although it's descriptive, and I understand why people want to use it, it's very, very harmful to the credibility of our cause because anybody who searches that term comes straight to conspiracy theory and hoax, and that's usually the end of their investigation.
And some believe that term is valid only because Congressman Dennis Kucinich used it once mistakenly on a piece of legislation that went nowhere, and also people claim that there's an Air Force document that It does use the term chemtrails, but it has nothing to do with climate engineering.
It's an entry-level, first-year cadet chemistry course.
So this term has no scientific basis.
I would encourage people to use the science terms.
That will bring credibility to our cause.
Climate engineering, geoengineering, solar radiation management, so forth.
Use the science terms.
I'm glad you mentioned that because I did want to ask you about that term chemtrails, which has been associated with a lot of sort of loose thinking over the years by people who, sometimes people who tend to leap to conclusions.
But then there are cases, like I just did a story about the spraying of insecticide in Texas following Hurricane Harvey.
So that's, they're spraying chemicals, you know, 1.8 million acres.
So obviously there's a mix of things there, but I'm glad you brought that point up.
In that case, it fits.
I don't argue in that case.
It fits there, yeah.
Exactly.
Now, in the bigger picture, I think people understand that scientists are engineering the global food supply.
That's called GMO crops, right?
So that's not a conspiracy theory.
It's happening right now.
It's openly talked about.
People understand that the public water supply is being engineered.
It's called fluoridation, right?
Or chlorination.
And there are many other things that are being engineered.
I saw an article today about how scientists can use RNA or CRISPR technologies to engineer your cellular behavior, to hack your cells.
So your skin cells and your body cells can be engineered.
I don't understand why it's such a leap for people to think that the atmosphere could also be engineered when all the other big things are being engineered, it seems, on our planet.
Well, those are all good points.
And to put this in perspective, let's look at a natural event that is one of the models which the climate engineers use to justify their programs.
Mount Pinatubo in 1992, that eruption, which was not so significant, put enough particulate matter into the atmosphere To make 1992 the lowest rainfall year yet recorded to that point in time by 50%.
This is a massive decline.
Obviously, massive effect on the entire global climate.
One eruption.
So when we're talking about jet aircraft with the stated goal by the climate engineers of putting 20 million tons of aluminum nanoparticulates, and that's not even referencing whatever other materials they're going to put in the atmosphere.
Obviously, the climate, the atmosphere, the climate system It's much more malleable than people perceive.
Even small tests.
In fact, if we go back to Project Cirrus in 1947, and this plugs into people's what they believe or what they choose to investigate, and we need to separate those two because we need to get rid of what we believe and go on facts.
So we've had publicized cyclone Hurricane modification programs by the U.S. government for at least 70 years.
And in Project Cirrus, the dumping of a very small amount, I believe 50 kilos of material, which is 100 plus pounds, into a cyclone had an effect.
We're talking about a tiny amount of material.
What happens now?
If we look at the stated goals by global geoengineers like David Keith, Of putting 20 million tons into the atmosphere, and that wouldn't even necessarily count the excess they might put into a cyclone to modify it.
What happens when a tanker can carry not just 50 kilos, but 70 to 100 tons in the case of some of the large military tankers?
We're talking about exponentially more than what has already been proven to affect a weather system as big as a cyclone.
So the bottom line is, again, people are choosing to go on preconceptions that Nobody can alter the weather and that's just simply patently false, Mike.
Yeah, absolutely.
I remember we published a story just a few months ago.
I don't remember if it was Princeton researchers or Harvard researchers, but one of those two, they were testing aerosols into the air to determine how much solar radiation they could block through this dispersal of aerosols.
And it was a relatively small amount, sort of a pilot study, but they talked about how they could scale it up to the global scale.
Now, I believe it's your contention that This is already happening on a global scale, but let me ask you this.
Do you believe that the intention behind it is to block solar radiation and prevent global warming, or what's the actual goal in the minds of those people who are pursuing this?
What do they tell themselves they are accomplishing?
Let's separate the stated goals with the actual results.
So, yes, the premise on which geoengineering is being conducted is solar radiation management to try to block some of the sun's incoming thermal radiation and slow down or mask or hide, not to mitigate or not to actually cure or resolve, but to hide a runaway or rapidly accelerating but to hide a runaway or rapidly accelerating climate warming scenario.
We have more than enough data to say conclusively that climate engineering is only fueling the fire, not mitigating in any way, shape or form.
So, Mike, I know you would conclude with this.
When you put such a layer of atmospheric particulates in the sky, you're going to trap heat, correct?
Well, I think there are two things going on.
You're going to trap heat, but you're also going to reflect some solar radiation, depending on what it is, right?
You would reflect some, but I'm not arguing that.
But you would also trap heat, though, too, correct?
You would have to, but I've got to say, I'm not an atmospheric chemist, so that's not my area of expertise.
I'll toss that to NOAA, then, because NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, has already admitted on the record that the high-level, what they're calling, in many cases, stratocerous, which is A particulate cloud.
It's not a naturally formed cloud formation at all.
And NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, is already admitting on the record that such clouds that are now increasing in frequency due to solar radiation management, which they won't admit to, are in fact greatly exacerbating the climate scenario.
So in addition to that, in addition to trapping heat, any particulate in the atmosphere, doesn't matter whether it's from a volcano, as in the case of Mount Pinatubo, Or from a geoengineering jet aircraft spraying particulates, particulates in the atmosphere cause chain reactions in the atmosphere that destroy the ozone layer.
And we now know that we have not only a massive southern hemisphere ozone hole, but a massive northern hemisphere ozone hole that has been covered by some Canadian media already.
We know 100 Canadian scientists were laid off of the ozone research team in order to try to cover this up.
So geoengineering is not only trapping more heat than it affects, It's destroying the ozone layer, disrupting the hydrological cycle, contaminating soils and waters, and all of this if we plug it into feedback loops like let's take the forests burning down all over the globe.
We have the environmental groups claiming that that's just a result of a warming planet, and I would argue that point.
Not that I'm arguing the planet is warming.
I'm not arguing that there's many sources of human damage to the planet and the climate system, but what I'm saying is the hypocrisy We have an incendiary
dust covering the foliage.
We have more dry lightning now.
And this is all statistical fact, by the way.
So your listeners can look that up.
All of these combined to fuel the forest fires at record levels, then that carbon goes into the atmosphere, that settles on Arctic ice and makes it dark, reduces the albedo, the reflectivity, which makes the ice smell faster.
So in so many ways, we can lead these roads back to climate engineering and all the cataclysmic effects it's causing.
So back to your original question, why are they doing it?
We have a stated reason why, but when we look at the data, certainly what they're doing is not...
In any way helping the scenario, it's making it far worse.
I've got so many questions for you on this.
This is truly fascinating.
You know, forest fires are also the number one source of the redistribution of mercury onto other lands.
So the mercury that's in the soils goes into the trees, and then when those trees burn, you know, the mercury goes into the clouds and then falls all across the farmlands.
And it's all across North America or Europe or wherever.
So, yeah, forest fires are really re-poisoning the land, not just with aluminum, as you mentioned, but mercury and other metals as well.
That's an exceptional point.
This is the kind of thing that people don't realize.
Academia, as you know, is not putting that in the equation.
And that sort of redistribution of toxins, heavy metals in this case, that were locked up and now are It's kind of like a mixing bowl of toxicity for the whole planet.
Now, let's go up one more layer on all this.
As what you're describing here, I think the biggest shocking factor to people, if they believe that that's true, would be, why aren't we being told that this is happening?
In other words, if this geoengineering is going on, it is covertly being pursued.
At the same time that the entire mainstream media is lying about it and calling people who are documenting it, you know, hoaxers or quacks or whatever.
But isn't that one of the biggest shock factors here that this is happening, but people – there's no disclosure of what's really going on?
Well, I think we have to start first with people's – Very naive notion that our government exists for their benefit.
That could not be further from the truth, right?
Right, right.
I mean, how many examples do we need, starting from vaccinations, which I know you're extremely familiar with, and we could list an endless amount of categories.
So if we start there, we realize how many other activities the government has been engaged in and continues to be engaged in that can only be considered harmful to the populations.
And the biological testing, Mike, I think you know that we have several dozen historically documented examples of the U.S. military doing biological testing on innocent U.S. civilians.
This is just simply business as usual.
And if we look at the ultimate goals for this, one, of course they will try to hide this as long as possible.
And I actually had a conversation which I published with a geoengineering insider, Your listeners, by the way, can look that up if they search GeoengineeringWatch.org Dialogue with Geoengineering Insider or any other subject on this issue.
Geoengineering shreds the ozone layer.
If they search GeoengineeringWatch.org and the question they have, they'll likely find an article.
We have about 2,000 on our site.
But he stated clearly, back to your question, that the government would do anything, everything it could to hide these programs until the last possible moment because the liability issue is incomprehensible.
Everyone has been irreparably harmed.
The environment has been irreparably harmed.
And we're talking about if this really got out, and we need to make sure it gets out, we need to get this exposed, there would be, I would argue, a shockwave around the globe as populations realize what their governments have done to them.
And I'm not just speaking of our own.
This is a global collaboration.
So they will try to hide it until the last possible moment.
And the other question, Mike, if I can tie this in, the one that's usually used for people who want to deny Quote, they, meaning those in power, would not do this to themselves.
And how many examples do we need to prove that those in power who are addicted to that power do not care about the consequences even to themselves?
And this is a statistical fact.
When we look at psychoanalysis of psychopathic behavior, there's a near lack of comprehension as to the consequences even to themselves.
So we have Fukushima, we have The detonation of 2,000-plus nuclear bombs, which has contaminated the whole planet.
We can go on and on at what those in power have done to themselves.
This is no different.
I concur with what you're saying.
My area of focus has been vaccines and pharmaceuticals, and just in those areas, we know about massive criminal cover-ups.
In fact, just recently, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
from the World Mercury Project called for the criminal...
Uh, extradition of a CDC researcher who is a fugitive from justice in Europe.
It wants to bring him back to the United States and charge him with crimes for the, the coverups.
And of course the CDC and the government and the media continue this massive coverup.
So, uh, If you're experiencing in your realm what I'm experiencing in my realm, the criminality is beyond the scale.
They don't even know how to run an honest operation.
There is no government regulator that is actually in the business of helping the people.
So I absolutely agree with what you just said.
It's a cancerous cabal.
At this point, we don't have...
A country with a government.
We have a government that owns a country.
And regarding the mercury issue, which you, again, very appropriately brought up in the redistribution when forest fires burn, we need to consider also synergistic toxicity.
I know you know what that is.
We have, in the case of mercury and aluminum, we know we're getting massive amounts of aluminum raining down on us through the air column.
We're all absorbing that.
It's nanoparticulate, bioavailable form.
It's absorbing into our bodies, bioaccumulative.
Now let's add the mercury, which we all have in us now from multiple causes, vaccines, the forest fire issue industry.
Those two metals, when combined, the overall toxicity can increase as much as 10,000%.
That's 100 times worse.
When people think maybe you have some worsening of the toxicity, maybe it's 10, 20, 30%.
No, it's 10,000%.
So we're talking about unimaginably toxic brew that we're all being forced to live in right now.
And it's amazing the human body can take this assault, isn't it?
It is.
And I want to mention, too, from a lab science point of view, some people might say, well, you're eating aluminum all the time, or you're eating fish with mercury all the time.
It's not killing people.
Eating these metals, you don't get anywhere near 100% absorption.
But when you inhale them or when you inject them, you know, the lungs go right into the blood supply directly.
And injections, subcutaneous injections like vaccines that contain aluminum and mercury, they eventually go right into the blood supply, you know, out of the muscles.
So what you're talking about, Dane...
What I'm talking about, it's a cumulative effect.
We're talking about aluminum and mercury, both of which happen to be neurological poisons linked to Alzheimer's, dementia, mental retardation, loss of cognitive function, and so on.
The vectors are now...
The vectors that are happening, that are inundating the population, are those vectors that go right into the bloodstream.
It's not like they're just lacing the food with aluminum.
That really wouldn't be extremely harmful.
They are lacing the air and the vaccines with aluminum.
That's a big difference.
It's a huge, huge difference.
It's an extremely important point, and people do need to understand that, that when you inhale, aluminum goes right through the olfactory nerve, straight into the bloodstream, can cross the blood-brain barrier.
It's exponentially, incomprehensibly worse than anything ingested.
Very good point.
Now, let's get to some recent events because a lot of people are bewildered by this string of hurricanes that, you know, we've had Harvey hit Houston, Irma hit Florida, Maria is on the way, and at least at the time that you and I are talking here. Maria is on the way, and at least at the Um, And yet we didn't have landfall of a major hurricane, I think, for 12 years before that.
There's been a lot of conjecture about this.
We've covered a few analyses and so on.
What's your take on geoengineering and these hurricanes?
What's going on?
Well, first, let's consider the hurricane drought.
We had a 4,324-day major hurricane drought in the U.S., major hurricane landfall.
And then we revert right back to this.
And remember, before that drought occurred, Mike, you remember the onslaught of cyclones in 2005, 2006 wreaking havoc on the country and suddenly stopped for that long of a period.
And now it's on again, full bore.
Mathematically speaking, the likelihood of such occurrences being in any sense natural is a statistical zero.
And during that 12-plus year drought, the rest of the planet was being pounded by record cyclones with record frequency.
In fact, interestingly enough, countries like the Philippines where Duterte told the U.S. military to get out.
You know he's had enough and they're very...
The Philippines, since that point in time, when this posture was taken by their president, the Philippines has been pounded over and over with record cyclones like Hurricane Haiyan in 2014, strongest landfall ever, that very anomalously strengthened radically right as it was making landfall.
And that's not what we would expect from a cyclone.
It typically encounters resistance and would reduce its strength.
So we see countries that show resistance to U.S. policy during this entire drought of hurricane landfalls in the U.S. were still being pounded by cyclones at a frequency of two or three hundred percent more than normal.
So we can only conclude, and we have satellite imagery to prove, that cyclones during that twelve year drought were being suppressed with patented hurricane suppression technology.
Encourage your listeners to look that up.
Those who think that this technology does not exist have not investigated.
Now let's look at the recent impacts that we see.
And we documented at geoengineeringwatch.org what is conclusively hurricane manipulation from ground-based radio frequency microwave transmissions.
The interaction with the cyclonic rotation and those transmissions is inarguable.
We recorded the animations for anyone to see if they go to our site and go down the recent columns and look for the posts on Irma and Harvey.
So we can say without question that these cyclones are positively being manipulated.
As far as the spawning of the storms, we have record warm oceans.
There's no question these storms can spawn on their own.
We can't state definitively if there was any manipulation in that regard, but we can state definitively That these storms are being manipulated.
Now we can speculate on the why.
So is it your contention or understanding of the technology that they can augment storms that might already be forming, that they can be made stronger, or that they can spontaneously create storms where none existed?
If you create the right pressure zone gradients, they could certainly encourage the spawning of a cyclone, but they're certainly spawning on their own.
We've seen In the Gulf of Mexico, for example, Mike, where we still have no major cyclonic rotation for over 12 years now, Harvey spun up right at the last moment before impact.
It didn't really spin around the Gulf, and they don't want that to happen.
We've seen dozens of cyclones trying to form in the Gulf that are hit with the high-frequency transmissions from HAARP and Other ground-based ionosphere heaters that can push down on the atmosphere.
An ionosphere heater that heats the atmosphere can push down and form a high-pressure zone that can disperse the convection.
The administration of aerosols, sprayed dispersions from climate engineering aircraft into the circulations, also diminishes the rotation, the convection.
These are patented technologies.
So we've seen again and again and again cyclones trying to form in the Gulf.
They won't let that happen.
I would argue one reason is because they don't want the sea of oil from the Macondo well that's being sprayed with Corexit still, we believe, and thus making the oil sink instead of float.
They don't want all that stirred up.
They perhaps don't want any more damage to some of the oil rigs in the Gulf.
We can speculate as to the why, but the fact that they're suppressing cyclones and have been beyond...
Any sort of conjecture.
It's absolute fact.
So what you're describing is really a weather weaponization system, or at least that's one application of it.
And I think you mentioned earlier that sometimes when countries don't go along with either US policy or perhaps globalist policy, then these weather weapons can be augmented or deployed against them.
Am I saying that correctly?
Am I paraphrasing correctly?
You're exactly correct.
If I could, before we move on, if I could give a few examples.
We know that after 9-11, a week after General Wesley Clark named all the countries in the Middle East that were going to be taken down.
He named that one week after 9-11.
Every single one of those countries was exposed to a once-in-1,000-year drought to destabilize that country before the rest of the operations commenced.
Now, mathematically speaking, that's a mathematical impossibility for all those countries to experience the exact same conditions in the exact same window of time.
Let's look at other examples.
2010, Pakistan began to show immense resistance to U.S. policies.
Pakistan got hit with record flooding almost immediately.
2011, Thailand refused the U.S. an air base that the Thai government knew was for climate modification.
Record flooding there almost immediately afterward.
We have example after example after example.
So I don't think we can chalk this up to coincidence.
So continuing that thought then, if these are weather weapons, then these are indiscriminate weapons, which means they would qualify by definition under United Nations definitions as weapons of mass destruction.
I mean this is the equivalent to detonating a dirty bomb in essence in a country because this kills civilians – You know, this kills women and children, not just enemy combatants or whoever you want to target.
So these are really weather weapons of mass destruction, correct?
No question about that.
that.
In regard to what you're alluding to, the cross-border ramifications, obviously you can't contain a climate engineering operation within a specific border.
So it affects everyone, as you correctly stated.
I would encourage your listeners to look up, if they search geoengineeringwatch.org senate document, they'll find a 750 page plus U.S. Senate document from 1978 that we were the first defined post.
We've highlighted the most important excerpts in the article, very easy to search.
In that text, it's extremely damning, for one.
And in that text, it specifically calls for the cooperation of otherwise adversarial governments that they would cooperate and collude on this issue, on the climate engineering issue, because of the cross-border ramifications.
So we have proof that is, at this point, undeniable that our government has not only been involved, but so have other governments.
And in that document, it also speaks to the fact that these programs have been going on for decades prior to that document.
We have mountains of proof to verify the reality of these programs, Mike.
Okay, wow.
I've got so many questions running through my head right now, and I want to ask you the big question here.
Let me preview that, and then I have some sub-questions.
But the big question I'm going to ask you is who controls this, or is it multiple different tribes, different nations that control it?
But before that, there are secondary weaponization effects that perhaps you've talked about, but I think our audience needs to be aware of.
For example, we know that throughout world history, food has been used as a weapon or denial of food or destruction of food going all the way back to the 14th century.
They would salt the land and the king of the castle, he couldn't grow any food and they would starve him out.
Now, if you control the weather, You control the food because a drought or a flood or a freeze or whatever, you can destroy a local food supply.
So isn't weather weaponization also essentially through secondary effects transforming the denial of food into a weapon as well?
Absolutely correct.
There's no question about that.
And when you can shut the water off to a country, you can certainly shut the food off in a moment's notice.
In regards to these Middle Eastern countries, again, we have the president in the case of Iran, and they have a very sophisticated military as well.
They have radar.
They know who's in their airspace, who's near their airspace.
We have the leaders of Iran on the floor of the UN, United Nations, stating emphatically that their country...
It was being droughted out by NATO-US weather modification programs.
Of course, it was not covered in our media for obvious reasons.
Let's look at the African continent, Mike.
You know how much food has been an issue there, correct?
For decades.
So we have numerous, dozens of African countries that have allowed US bases and US boots on the ground because it appears they were droughted out, brought to their knees, and forced to allow US occupation.
It's not a...
A coincidence that almost 160 countries allow U.S. occupation.
How many other countries occupy our land?
Zero.
So again, when you control the weather, you control the food supply as you correctly stated, and thus you control countless other aspects.
So this is absolutely a major, major part of the equation.
It seems also that the tactical advantage of this weapon, as we're describing it, is that it has absolute deniability.
You know, you could deploy the weapon, let's say, if you control this technology, you can deploy it, and then you can say, it wasn't me, it was Mother Nature.
I mean, you can't deny a nuclear warhead launch, a missile signature, and so on.
I mean, if you nuke a city, it's pretty obvious you nuke the city.
But if you flood Houston, Texas, let's say, with a massive hurricane, if you have that capability, you just blame nature.
You're exactly right.
This is the crown jewel, I would argue, of the U.S. military, the climate engineering operations, because they can topple a country.
They can win a war.
knowing it went to war.
Exactly.
The population never even knowing.
And especially in the case of the US citizens right now who refuse to believe that this is going on.
And even people that I've seen try to convince themselves that this must be North Korea conducting these operations in our airspace.
That's an absurd conclusion.
Obviously, our military knows exactly what's going on in our airspace.
Nothing could go on without them knowing.
This is obviously coming from our own military.
And again, when we look at the US government, do we really have a government that is exclusively for the US?
Or are we talking really about global control here, a Western power structure, if you will, And I would argue that that's the reality we face.
It all goes back to the dollar reserve currency, doesn't it?
It does.
It does.
And the central bankers, who prints the money, all roads lead there.
And the petrodollar or the dollar as the global reserve currency is plugged into so many of these other conflicts...
When those countries were going to disconnect from the dollar, they had to be taken out.
All right, let me get back to the big question that I mentioned earlier.
So I'm sure a lot of listeners have the same question.
So who is controlling this?
Is it one group?
Is it multiple groups?
Are there warring factions that each have this technology?
Is there weather weaponization proliferation, like there is nuclear warhead proliferation?
What's your take on all that?
To the last question, I would answer the likely conclusion is yes, we have Opposing, increasingly adversarial entities involved so that a tug-of-war over Earth's life support systems is beginning and whatever cooperation existed during less volatile times is likely breaking down.
So we have various factions forcing the climate system each to try to push things toward its own advantage.
So what happens then when such a tug-of-war, if you will, is going on over the climate system?
And I would argue we are in Absolutely in uncharted territory, we're seeing astounding images on the NASA world view, which I examine every day from all over the globe, the satellite imagery.
We can't find anything over the oceans, for example, that's natural.
It's all tainted, all with radio frequency signature, aerosolized.
The whole climate system globally is completely derailed at this point.
We have no real way of knowing what will happen When these programs are finally brought to a halt in one way or another, they will be as industrialized society collapses and I would argue we're very close to that point.
We have ocean ecosystems collapsing, fisheries collapsing, crops collapsing.
There's so many converging cataclysms right now that at some point they will not be able to maintain these operations and the full amount of damage that's been done to the planet will begin to manifest.
It's already beginning to occur.
Again, we are in uncharted territory, Mike.
I've got some amazing science that was just published September 7, 2017.
The source is the American Geophysical Union, and I'm reading this off of ScienceDaily.com.
And this science supports a lot of what you're saying.
This is going to astonish people.
Let me just read you the headline and the highlights.
The title of the article is, Ship Exhaust Makes Oceanic Thunderstorms More Intense.
And the paper finds that thunderstorms that are directly above two of the world's busiest shipping lanes have been found to be significantly more powerful than storms in areas of the ocean where ships don't travel.
And the conclusion is that just the accidental exhaust of the ships is enough to amplify the severity of these storms.
So we would maybe categorize that as inadvertent geoengineering, but it proves the concept, doesn't it?
It does.
And in one category where we have a lot of the science institutions claiming the massively visible trails we see over the ocean, I'm not denying the ship exhaust phenomenon, but what I'm saying is what many of the science institutions are labeling as ship tracks, When we examine the data around what we see on satellite, I believe that that claim can be proven invalid in that we see tracks of a uniform length that are claimed to be ship tracks that may stretch 600, 700, 800 miles. I believe that that claim can be proven invalid in
In the time it would take that surface vessel to travel that far, the trail would not be uniform in length still.
It would be very dissipated.
So we believe that the data indicates that in order to cover up what so many people are now seeing on satellite imagery, they are claiming that or attributing that to ship tracks when in reality we're seeing jet aircraft dispersions over the oceans they are claiming that or attributing that to ship tracks when in reality we're seeing jet aircraft dispersions over the oceans as part of marine layer albedo enhancement, Why?
To try to keep the oceans from heating, even though it's doing more harm than good.
And a cubic meter of seawater, and this is important for your listeners to understand, a cubic meter of seawater can hold 4,000 times the thermal energy of a cubic meter of air.
What matters is how warm the oceans are, and they're astronomically warm right now.
But again, in the myopic sort of mentality of the military-industrial complex and their attempt to mask a certain symptom while making it exponentially worse at the same time, Mike, can't we compare that to how many pharmaceuticals for the human body that have that exact same myopic destructive approach?
Right, right.
They're trying to mask symptoms and they make the patient worse or kill the patient in the process.
If it's alright for me to change tracks here, I want to ask you, perhaps this is a sensitive question about the geoengineering debates or analysts that are out there.
I'm not going to mention any other names, but when I started covering this topic, I noticed there was a tremendous amount of animosity From other parties and strong disagreements.
Some people say you're full of bunk and you did this wrong or they say my coverage was wrong.
I was just writing an article showing some analyses and people started accusing me of making things up and so on.
I usually don't get this kind of animosity.
What's the deal with the geoengineering?
It's a small number of websites, I guess, but why is there so much argument If you can...
Now, again, I've never asked anyone and I won't today or any other time to believe anything I'm stating.
I ask people only to investigate.
If you could...
Are we talking about the...
The moisture production for storms narrative, the cooling tower narrative, I just want to nail down exactly what we're talking about here so I can answer definitively.
Well, it's a few, and I guess there's the rapid evaporation technology, then there's the buildings that produce clouds and so on, quite a few different things being discussed.
But it's just that I got a lot of condemnation or pushback from people in the geoengineering community And there's just so much disagreement.
It was very surprising to me.
Let's look at facts, then.
I would encourage people, if they have a question as to that narrative, are power plant cooling towers emitting all the moisture for storms, which is a mathematical impossibility.
I would encourage them simply not to believe me, but to look at the data.
They go down the recent column on geoengineeringwatch.org.
They'll find a post asking that question, are cooling towers permitting or producing the moisture for storms?
And the math is there in that equation.
And interestingly enough, when we posted that article, I heard from almost immediately a mechanical engineering, from a mechanical engineering contractor who chimed in, who had seen that narrative and knew how absurd it was.
His full statement is in this article at geoengineeringwatch.org.
I'll end with his final paragraph from this statement.
Having spent over 30 years designing, installing, repairing, and maintaining industrial manufacturing and power generation, heating and cooling equipment, i.e.
cooling towers, I can state with complete authority that the argument of cooling towers adding significantly to atmospheric moisture is either misinformation or both.
Jeffrey Taylor, mechanical engineering contractor.
Now, I'm I posted also the official statistics on how much moisture a cooling tower could emit into the atmosphere, and literally, mathematically, it's a drop in the ocean.
I agree.
I agree.
It's got to be.
Now, and let's get to the next equation where we had the claim being made that some sort of ocean-based water vapor machine was producing the moisture for storms, and they based that narrative on a patent that was originally...
Assigned to a Japanese individual, Nakamura is his name.
That patent might as well be for how to make a stairway to Mars.
And here's what that patent states.
That patent states that in order to accomplish this ocean-based cloud manufacturing mechanism, not to produce moisture for a storm, but to produce a cloud to block some of the sun's thermal energy, that patent called for a surface vessel, a ship, Mike, with 10 nuclear We have no nuclear fusion technology, none, let alone a ship with 10 nuclear fusion reactors on it and a pipe the patent calls for extending 10,000 feet into the sky.
What?
There is no such pipe.
So what I'm saying is that people need to investigate.
They need to investigate and that's all we've ever asked and why is it so important to stand on credible data?
Because the only chance we have of exposing and stopping climate engineering is to Stand again on solid data, and so we can coax the academic community, the climate scientists, agency people, into coming out of the shadows and admitting that this is going on.
And if the anti-climate engineering community is pushing a narrative that is so patently false that it alienates the academic community so that they don't come near us, we're going to lose this battle.
That's why it's important to investigate it.
We find that that's often done on purpose.
In every industry, there are actors, like in vaccines, for example, there are actors who launch websites to say absurd conspiracy theory things about vaccines in order to discredit anyone who questions vaccine science.
So perhaps, maybe some of that's going on in geoengineering as well.
There's no question that's going on.
And this is why, again, back to the Those who can't refute the data when geoengineeringwatch.org has tried to establish a correct compass heading on solid data, then those who are pushing the False information tend to resort to personal attacks, and that's unfortunately what's happening.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of that going on.
Let me ask you, though, maybe a bit of a skeptical question, because as a scientist, I work in the lab every day.
We deal with volumes and energy.
We look at the ionization potential of molecules and so on.
One of my biggest questions is...
It seems like to amplify a storm, the amount of kinetic energy and thermal energy that would be required is so enormous that one of my big questions is, where are all these energy sources?
To me, I don't understand how these storms can be augmented so powerfully without adding a lot of energy inputs.
I would argue this, that the energy is already in the system.
It's simply a manipulation of that energy that...
It causes the manipulation.
So in the case of cyclones, if the convection is slowed by putting enough condensation nuclei, this is where aerosolization of the hurricanes, which we can see on radar, reduces their strength because it drags the convection down with moisture-absorbing particles.
There's a hurricane suppression substance called dynamat.
There's other patented hurricane suppression processes.
So A very small amount of input can radically alter the course of the energy that's already in the system.
Because you're correct, the amount of energy produced by a cyclone is staggering.
It would exceed all the energy production on the planet exponentially.
So this is what people need to understand and consider when we're looking at cyclone reduction.
It's a matter of manipulating the energy that's already there.
And in the case of steering, same thing.
A small amount of impact and one portion of the storm can alter the course of that storm quite readily.
And that's exactly what we see happening.
Because we should question, Mike, in the case of Hurricane Sandy, you might remember that seven days ahead of time, they somehow knew exactly where that cyclone would make an unprecedented 90-degree westerly turn.
Harvey, how did they know that Harvey would...
Initiate the completely bizarre landfall that occurred onshore, back offshore, back onshore.
How could they know so far ahead?
In the case of Irma, making that anomalous northerly turn right where it did.
How did they know so many days ahead of time when so often they can't predict hours ahead of time?
So these are all factors that need to plug into the equation.
And when the cyclones are in, when they enter U.S., We can see the transmitters in, for example, Key West, major transmitter that we recorded.
As Irma made her 90-degree left turn, that transmitter was at full power.
And people should look at these animations.
Again, on the right side of the GeoengineeringWatch.org homepage under the top stories column, they can look back to the previous data on the cooling towers, the patent I just spoke of that's beyond anything that exists technologically.
That's all there.
The animations of the cyclone steering are all there for people to see.
We're simply trying to get them to actually investigate and not operate on ideology, preconception, and bias.
I like your explanation of redirecting existing energy because I think it's very easy for people to imagine that – let's say you have a – let's say you're playing pool on a pool table and you hit a ball to the side bumper.
And that ball has a certain amount of kinetic energy and momentum, and yet that momentum is reversed after it bounces off the sidewall.
But you didn't have to expend any energy to reverse the motion of that ball.
It happened because you have a spring, you know, the bumper.
So that's the redirection of energy.
You can observe it directly.
In regard to that, let me add just two sentences here from this mechanical engineering contractor that chimed in to back up our Establishment of the facts on the cooling towers.
He stated this, the amount of energy needed for a global envelope of cloud cover is incalculable.
One small hurricane produces 6 times 10 to the 14th watts, 200 times the entire worldwide power grid.
We would have to build tens of thousands of nuclear power plants to possibly deliver enough power for this single small hurricane.
There you go.
So again, this is where back to that narrative that is harmful to the cause when people make claims that are Absolutely not supportable in any way, shape, or form.
And that's why it's important to correct those claims, stand on credible data so that we have a chance of exposing this issue.
Because I know people in academia, many.
I work with people in USDA, Forest Service.
I have contacts at Stanford, Harvard.
And they are only willing to come out of the shadows if they feel they have cover from enough public awareness that's standing on solid ground.
And that's the point we need to reach.
And the classic explanation for how hurricanes form, you know, just straight mainstream academia, is simply thermal energy, ocean heat, right, which is solar energy, mostly, plus rotational energy of the Earth and the Coriolis effect, correct?
It's really just those two energy inputs that are classically ascribed the source of energy, right?
Correct.
In regard to convection, though, again, we're in uncharted territory because...
Of the ozone destruction, we have changes in convective patterns, we have extremely warm temperatures aloft.
On that note, I'm communicating with several pilots, some private fly Gulf Streams, some commercial.
One of the Gulf Stream pilots recently was extremely alarmed when his aircraft that was flying above 40,000 feet, the alarms went off, forced emergency descent, because the air outside that aircraft was nearly 25 degrees C above normal.
The air was not dense enough to hold that aircraft, and now what they're telling me, all the pilots I'm communicating with are telling me they're seeing only positive anomalies at altitude.
It's only above normal, averaging 8 to 10 degrees C above normal.
That's all they're seeing.
So that's radically affecting convection, back to your statement on the hurricane, which is correct, on their formation.
But we have the convection factor now that seems to be going off the scale, which would mean if that was allowed to run wild, it's certainly fueling these cyclones, and they And what it appears, Mike, if you notice the cyclones like Irma, like Harvey, like Marie, they migrate most of the way across the Pacific without spinning up to the CAT 4 and 5.
And that would make them much easier to steer and maneuver.
If they're suppressing the convection, keeping them from reaching full strength, it would make that cyclone much easier to steer until it reached a location closer to where perhaps...
Whatever agenda is involved with the steering is being carried out.
out.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Wow.
Fascinating.
I was also thinking, as you were describing that, that if hurricanes had not been witnessed by anybody, like no one had ever seen a hurricane before, and yet let's say they were entirely natural phenomena, people wouldn't believe the explanation.
You If no one had ever seen a hurricane, you said, dude, the ocean thermal heat combines with solar energy and the rotation of the planet to form giant funnels in the sky that destroy entire cities with rainfall.
They would say, that's a conspiracy theory.
You know what I mean?
It's true.
It's true.
I mean, it's things that we take for granted because we've been exposed to them.
And we have to ask ourselves going back to what you mentioned earlier in this exchange for people who would wonder why would they – again, ultimately leading back to the central bankers at the top.
Why would they want to intervene with the weather?
And the question that we've already answered is why wouldn't they?
Why wouldn't they want such a covert weapon that could be used against any population, including their own, for whatever purpose they may have?
And they are basically at this point, if Marie hits in the manner that it appears it may, I mean they're going to wipe Puerto Rico clean.
Puerto Rico, Mike, you might have seen, I believe they refused the Nay-Led Spring, didn't they?
The toxic spraying over their country, didn't they refuse that?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I think they just did refuse that.
And so whatever purpose perhaps our military may have for some of those smaller islands that are basically uninhabited now, who can say what the agenda is?
But we know in the South Seas, when they wanted to detonate certain nuclear weapons or establish certain nuclear bases or strongholds, they just escorted the people off of those islands, didn't they?
So who can say what the agenda is?
But the fact that they're being steered, there's no question at this point.
And I would argue that the power structure is more dangerous now than ever as we have, again, fisheries collapsing, crops collapsing.
We have not enough food to feed populations in several dozen countries around the globe right now.
That's accelerating by the day.
And we know that they are importing, this is statistical fact, they're importing about $20 billion worth of food right now into the U.S. from countries, some of which are starving to death, in order to keep our shelves stocked, in order to keep the U.S. population pacified.
We just covered a 1969 New York Times article where the chief science advisor of President Richard Nixon plus Paul Ehrlich, the depopulation advocate, openly called for the food that we export to third world countries, plus our domestic food supply, be spiked with sterilization chemicals to cause global infertility.
That was mainstream news.
New York Times, 1969.
Now, Oh, and they said that there could be a lottery for the antidote.
So if you won the lottery, you could have children.
Otherwise, you would be infertile.
So we know there's a depopulation agenda.
That's a completely different topic.
But it's been around for a long time.
But it fits into this agenda because we also know that those in power know just how lethal these materials are.
They're spraying in our atmosphere, which we cannot avoid.
We can avoid vaccinations, but we can't avoid the air we breathe.
And when we look at the statistics in Africa, and I know you know these statistics, but the last study I saw in regard to the mortality rate of Vaccinated African kids, the mortality rate went up 500% during the first five months.
I mean, is that not eugenics?
Yeah, the vaccines given to young women in Africa have been scientifically validated to have sterilization chemicals in them.
I mean, that's an open fact.
There were press releases issued by the pro-vaccine organizations.
So Africa is always the experimental ground.
You know, gee, how come Ebola got loose in Africa?
Well, They were messing with it.
They were running experiments on it.
Exactly.
And this is where we're back to the aerosol operations over our head.
In addition to the weather warfare and the other stated goals of climate engineering, we know at minimum that because of the materials that are raining down on us, it's affecting our overall health immensely.
It's affecting our cognitive function.
It's killing us slowly at minimum.
At what point in time, Mike, if the power structure decides they need to level the playing field With the already existing aerosol operations, if they change that mix, they could level the playing field anytime they want.
They could exterminate populations anytime they want.
And we have Ken Caldera, one of the second most recognized geoengineer on the planet.
And your listeners can listen to this audio I'm about to mention.
If they search Dane Wiginton, Ken Caldera, geoengineeringwatch.org, they can listen to a recording I got from a Pacifica radio announcer and his personal discussion with Ken Caldera In his own words, stating what he did as a scientist for the government was try to design pathogens that could be seeded into clouds to infect the population below.
That's what he did for our government.
To think that our government wouldn't do this to us is a very naive notion.
Oh yeah, the whole history of medical experimentation.
Actually, I think the U.S. Air Force ran an experiment like that in San Francisco back in the 1940s or 50s.
We covered that, and I think President Obama had to apologize for the NIH funding medical experiments on Guatemalan prisoners several generations ago as well.
I mean, plus we have Tuskegee.
There's a long, long history of medical experimentation.
And Lastly, I want to remind our readers, you know, think about this.
Since when has any technology been developed by a government that has not been weaponized?
I mean, can you think of any?
I mean, they weaponize everything.
That's a good point.
And in the case of the NMOD weapons, environmental modification weapons, and there's much more going on in the atmosphere.
Again, we have the DARPA weapons.
We have over-the-horizon radar.
I mean, the fact that they're making the atmosphere more electrically conductive is...
Leads into many other arenas as well.
But the bottom line is, if we're not able to take a breath without inhaling what they're dispersing in the skies above us, I would argue that's a fight for life right here, right now, that we have to deal with or nothing else will matter.
Well said, Dane.
I really want to thank you again for taking the time, a full hour here that we've been able to chat.
Thank you for joining me on this.
Hey, the gratitude's mine.
I greatly appreciate your voice in helping to sound the alarm on this most critical issue.
We'll continue to post hard data at geoengineeringwatch.org.
In the course of people sharing this, Mike, and I think this is an important aspect that I'll finish with this, people feel helpless when they hear this kind of data.
But they're not helpless.
And those in power are not gods.
They're twisted human beings.
And if we can get this issue to the light of day, I would argue it would drag everything else with it.
The vaccination crimes, 9-11, so much else.
Sharing credible data is imperative as compared to walking out, pointing at the sky, and ranting, which puts people's defenses up.
It's so much more effective to pass on credible data.
We make those kinds of materials available at geoenginewatch.org.
We have files they can download for free, print locally.
But we try to make it easier for activists to effectively wake others up around them and we all must engage in that effort if we're to have any chance of salvaging Our situation, which is looking more grim by the day.
This is why the democratization of science is so crucial, and I want to make this offer to you too, Dane.
You know, we have a very capable lab, ISO accredited.
We run ICPMS, Mass Spec Instrumentation, and aluminum is one of the dozens of elemental analytes that we quant in our analyses.
So if you have any kind of project where you are collecting samples, I don't take that offer for granted.
In fact, our legal team right now, we've been working feverishly nonstop on trying to Build a platform that can't be shot down on exposing the climate engineering issue.
And it's something that your listeners should keep in mind that the power structure has for decades tried to orchestrate the system in a manner that would make it very difficult, if not almost impossible, to expose what's going on in our skies.
None of the official statistical testing even measures aluminum.
In the case of even California drinking water, they stopped testing for that in 2002.
We have been able to, with our freedom of information efforts, Our requests, we now know and have the records to prove that we have agencies in Northern California that have not reported gross exceedances of aluminum in the stormwater runoff and other areas.
I can't divulge too much or I'll be in hot water with the attorneys group, but we're compiling data that that testing may be a benefit to us and our attorneys are working, again, frantically on this to bring suit as fast as we can.
Perhaps we'll collaborate on that behind the scenes.
That may be a big help for us.
Well, remember that our lab results can be entered as evidence in any court of law in the Western world because we are ISO accredited, which is the International Standards Organization.
We're audited and inspected, and we have to pass tests all the time about heavy metals analysis.
So really, no one can argue with our numbers.
So if you can get us samples, we'll get you the numbers back, and maybe that can add some weight to your efforts as well.
That offer is taken very seriously, and I'll collaborate with you off the air on that.
All right.
All right.
Fantastic, Dane.
Well, thank you for joining us.
And let me just wrap this up for our listeners.
So, folks, you've just heard an astonishing interview.
You might want to listen to this more than once because it's a whirlwind of information here.
Think about the implications of weather weaponization.
Who's controlling these weapons?
And what are their goals?
What are they trying to accomplish?
Think about the depopulation agenda that's openly talked about by Bill Gates and other globalists.
How could these weapons be used to achieve those goals that are openly stated?
There's a lot to think about.
Dane is a serious investigator and a serious analyst.
Even if you're listening to this and you find it hard to believe at first, I encourage you to read geoengineeringwatch.org.
Do the research.
Look at the patents.
Look at the expert testimony.
And then decide for yourself what you choose to believe.
We're living in a world where the fake news media just wants to keep you distracted from every truth.
You're going to have to turn off the TV and start digging into the real truth if you really want to be an informed citizen.
So thank you for listening, everybody.
This is Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, for naturalnews.com.
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