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March 20, 2018 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Interview with Sherri Tenpenny about dangers of vaccines
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Welcome everyone.
This is Mike Adams, the Health Ranger for naturalnews.com and today we are interviewing vaccine researcher, a woman, a doctor who has been at the forefront of the vaccine industry for the last 10 years working on efforts to educate parents about the potential risks and dangers of vaccines to not only themselves but their children.
Her name is Dr.
Sherry Tenpenny.
Sherry, thanks for joining us again.
Thanks so much for inviting me.
It's a pleasure.
Well, it's great to have you back.
We spoke about a year ago and that interview has been one of our most popular interviews among listeners and readers.
People are really hungry for information about vaccines today and you're making a huge difference in getting that information out there.
Oh, thank you.
Thank you so much.
And so are you.
So it's a team effort by a lot of people who are very much committed to the fact of being the page to the rest of the story about vaccines, that the vaccines are not just safe, effective, protective and harmless.
There are a lot of other things that people need to know it first and foremost to make a fully informed decision and to know that they can live healthy and well without being vaccinated.
Okay, two very good bits of advice and I'm sure you're going to explain those in more detail as we get moving here.
Let's set the context here for what's really happening because the timing of this conversation that you and I are having is quite interesting because the tide is shifting now out there in the world against the mythology of vaccines.
Can you describe what's happening?
Why is the tide shifting and where do you think it's going?
It's just a grassroots movement.
We have the sickest children ever in the history of our country, and I think that parents are aware of it.
Ten years ago, if you said the word autism, you would barely know anyone that had autism, or maybe you didn't even know what the word is.
Today, if you say the word autism, you can barely meet a person who doesn't either have an autistic child, a child on the spectrum, or knows someone who is in that diagnosis.
We have a massive epidemic of asthma, allergies, eczema, insulin-dependent diabetes, cancer in our young children.
And I think that each round of things that the government has tried to do to say that it has nothing to do with vaccines has just picked people by the ear and they said, well, wait a minute, why are they fighting so hard to tell us it's not the vaccines?
Maybe I had to look into it myself.
And I think each round, what they did, bird flu, and then swine flu, and before that, SARS, and now this whole big thing with Dr.
Andy Wakefield that we may have a chance to talk about.
But all of this stuff that keeps coming up in the news, even people who had never questioned vaccines before, even thought to question them, are going, wow, they're making a whole lot of noise about this.
Maybe I should look into it.
And it's hardly a person who seriously investigates problems associated with vaccines Yeah, it's almost a case of thou doth protest too much.
Yes, exactly.
There's a sense of desperation, actually, in the vaccine industry and the lengths to which they're going now to desperately try to prove that vaccines are safe, even without any real scientific evidence of that, and to try to accuse those who Such as Dr.
Andrew Wakefield, who are attempting to investigate the potential risks of vaccines.
It's amazing.
If you look at what the British Medical Journal has done, for example, I mean, this is a case of such intellectual dishonesty and such fraudulent misrepresentation of the facts.
Dr.
Gary Knoll completely deconstructed this case on a show that he aired a few days ago.
If a high school student did this or a college student did this kind of thing in a paper, they would be failed.
They'd get an F. Or worse.
Or be expelled for cheating.
Exactly.
I mean, that's what the vaccine industry is doing.
Why are they getting so desperate?
Because it's been my contention, Mike, and something that I've said for all the many years that I've been involved with this.
They want us to believe that vaccines are safe, effective, meaning they protect you.
So safe, effective, protective, and harmless.
And so rare are the actual side effects so that they can continue to vaccinate.
And it's been my strong belief that vaccines are the backbone of the entire pharmaceutical industry.
If you can start vaccinating children at birth with a hepatitis B vaccine, and then you subsequently vaccinate them at two, four, and six months, and then they get a big round of vaccines at a year, and then they get another big boatload at five years before they go to school, the children will have gotten 40 doses of 16 different vaccines.
They'll have more than 150 different vaccine particles injected into them with animal DNA and chemicals and human albumin and human aborted fetal cells and the list of 63 different chemicals.
It's hardly a rational mind that can look at that and say, oh, that's just harmless.
And so I think that if they can make these children sick from a very early age, they become customers for life.
And even though the vaccine industry is about a $16 billion a year industry, it's not exactly like chicken feed, but in the big picture of the pharmaceutical industry, it's the poor child.
But if you can basically give away vaccines for very little money, in fact, to fully vaccinate one child is about $1,200.
And if you can fully vaccinate these kids and then make them customers for life, the money isn't really to be made in the vaccine industry.
The money is made by Big Pharma with all of the drugs that are given to treat and address all of the illnesses that are subsequent to the side effects of the vaccine.
Well, these are very big accusations or allegations that you're laying out here.
And if I could paraphrase them, you're saying that vaccines in one way are a guarantee of repeat business for the drug companies because they cause all of these other...
Degenerative conditions or autoimmune conditions that cause these patients to come back later as adults and seek out more medical care and buy more drugs.
Is that an accurate summary of what you're saying?
It is.
And the proof of that is when you start talking to parents who have had a child that they followed their pediatrician's advice and they got them vaccinated and the child is very sick and they have OT and PT and all kinds of medications and seizure medications and on and on.
And from that point, the parents decide that subsequent children will have no vaccines.
And when they look at the unvaccinated children, just by anecdotal populations, but there are thousands and thousands of unvaccinated children, and you talk to their parents or you hear stories from the parents, they say, my unvaccinated child never gets sick.
You know, if they get a fever, it goes away in 24 hours.
They're on no medications.
They do well in school.
They're never sick.
And so if you had millions of unvaccinated children that could replicate that same story, where are the drugs to be sold in that situation?
There aren't any.
And if those kids go on all the way into adulthood and they have a very strong and intact immune system and they have parents who maybe give them vitamins and they learn to eat organic and they eat good foods, what would happen to the entire backbone of the pharmaceutical industry?
It would collapse.
Now, it doesn't mean it would go away because there are certainly times when we still need pharmaceuticals and we need the healthcare system.
If somebody has a kidney stone or appendix or they break a bone or they're in a car accident, it doesn't mean that it would go away.
But the repeated use of chemical-based drugs to treat illnesses induced by vaccines would go away.
Or it would go away so far that it would be an obvious visual impact on our entire healthcare system.
And you're right.
The conventional healthcare, I can see that it would collapse down to maybe only 10 or 20% of its current level.
And some would say, well, that's bad for job creation.
Create more jobs.
Vaccinate more kids.
What kind of an oxymoron is that?
We make everybody sicker just so everybody can have a job.
What if we went to the old, old Chinese way of taking care of people where that you paid the doctor to keep you well and if you became sick, the doctor took care of you for free?
Right, right.
And what if we took all of those, that entire industry of people running around just perpetuating illness, and we put them on the health side of the equation, and we created something in an entirely different industry?
Well, that's the thing.
It has to do with healthcare and not with sick care.
There's just no profit to be made in keeping people healthy.
I mean, we know that.
It's a mathematical fact.
It's an accounting fact.
Shareholders know that of these corporations.
They don't really want people to be well because the only person who benefits from you being well is you.
And perhaps maybe your family members, but the corporations lose out on a customer.
But let's get to the other side of this.
The vaccine pushers, they would say that, oh, come on, come on.
These vaccine companies...
Are the most gracious and humanitarian companies on the planet because they're preventing pandemics that would wipe out children.
They're saving lives.
They only have the interests of the children in mind.
They're saving the children, Sherry.
How can you be against saving the children?
Health care, health, true health cannot come through a needle.
It just doesn't happen.
Health is an inside-out phenomenon and injecting something in ostensibly to keep a well is just, it's a 200-year mistake.
The other thing is that illnesses come and go, whether you have measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis, chicken pox, illnesses come and go.
And the vast, vast, vast majority of children and adults who contract these illnesses are sick and home for a week to 10 days, maybe a little bit longer.
They recover and they have lifetime immunity.
Yes, some have a bad outcome, but very few, because most of us, like me in my age group, I'm 52, and people that are older than me, we experienced all those illnesses, and oh my gosh, we're around to talk about it.
Imagine that.
Imagine that.
And so illnesses come and go, but a vaccine injury can last a lifetime, or it can kill you.
So everything in life that you do, Mike, is a trade-off and the risk-benefit of looking at should I allow my kids to have a fever once in a while and they can have ear infections which we can treat naturally or they can have a cold or maybe even have measles or mumps or rubella or chicken pox or even pertussis.
And it comes and goes.
But do I want to play Russian roulette with a vaccine that may make me ill for the rest of my life?
Well, parents today, though, are terrified of allowing their children to go outside.
They're terrified of allowing their children to have contact with sunshine.
I mean, I've seen parents, they will whisk their children into their vehicles off the school bus, drive them home two blocks away.
into their air conditioned rooms and, you know, do your homework.
They never touch soil or dirt.
I mean, these kids are living a completely artificial indoor lifestyle.
They're eating processed junk foods.
They're hopped up on psychiatric drugs.
They're injected with vaccines.
I mean, these kids are hardly even human.
You know, that's sad but true.
It's very sad but true.
And when you talk about what's happening to our youth these days, I mean, you know, they have a low, I've said for a long time, if we could stop vaccinating or cut vaccination by 90% and we could get everybody's vitamin D level up between 60 and 80, we wouldn't have this health care problem that we have that we have to tax everybody to death to try to take care of people.
People would be healthy.
And when you have these kids that you start vaccinating them from birth, you start feeding them processed and chemicalized foods over and over and over again, and then they start having weird mental behaviors, and then we start stuffing them with pharmaceutical drugs.
Is there any wonder that there's so much violence out there?
And I'm sure you saw that report that came out last week.
Of the long list of psychiatric drugs, there's like 430-some drugs that they have now done a retrospective review of and have seen how many of them are associated with violence.
No, I didn't see that.
I mean, I'm familiar with that theme, but I didn't see that particular report.
I'd love to see that.
Okay, I'd be happy to send it over to you.
It just came out within, oh, like maybe the last three or four weeks.
And it's a very, very compelling report of looking at all of these drugs that are given routinely to children with these diagnoses of behavioral disorders.
And the things that are in there that have actually been shown to be associated with violence are Paxil and Prozac and Effexor and Zoloft and Lexapro, Welbutrin, Cymbalta, Resperdal, Seroquel, Zyprexa, Valium, Xanax, Klonopin.
I'm reading right off the list from the article.
And all of those are given to children because of behavioral disorders.
And many times, children are given three or four or five of them.
And it's not just the violent behavior, too.
I know that at least a couple of those you mentioned have been associated with the growth in young males of what are being commonly called man boobs.
So you have these young teenage boys who are on these psychiatric drugs, who are thinking violent thoughts, who are growing breasts and being teased by their peers, and So you have these raging, angry, young males with breasts who are chemically adulterated, essentially.
Yes, exactly.
And that's a scary statement about modern healthcare.
It is.
And we have all these toxic substances that it seems as though the pharmaceutical industry looks at children as nothing more than a repository of their products, whatever those products are, whether they're a vaccine, whether they're an artificial coloring or something that comes from the food industry, or whether it's something that comes through a pill like the list of medications we just talked about.
And we see these kids with these, they're not healthy, they're pale, they've got They're scrawny.
They just don't look healthy.
And then the pharmaceutical industry paints these happy pictures of, oh, we have to keep vaccinating because we have to keep these kids healthy.
And I get these stories sometimes from parents that...
They talk about that they've had a premature baby or premature child and has had all of these health issues.
And so then the pediatricians are like, oh, because they're sick, we need to vaccinate them more.
And it's like, oh my gosh, when you think, when you look at the vaccine industry and you look at the vaccine research, first of all, there has never been any double-blind, placebo-controlled trials on vaccines.
By definition, that would mean that you would test the vaccine against a substance that was totally inert, like water or sugar water or saline or something that was totally inert.
They've never done that.
Every vaccine study, even from the polio studies and the tetanus studies that were done back in the 20s and 30s, I'm sorry, the tetanus and the diphtheria studies in the 20s and 30s, the polio studies that were done in the 40s and the 50s, They always compared a new vaccine to an existing vaccine with a known side effect profile.
And if both of those vaccines have the same amount of side effects, they say the new one is safe and as effective as the placebo.
That's a really good point, Sherry.
This gets us to the science section of this conversation because the vaccine promoters...
They adamantly insist that all the science is on their side and anyone who opposes vaccines or even dares to ask any questions about vaccines is immediately branded as unscientific, even an opponent of science itself.
And how can...
And yet, what you just said is true, by the way, and for those listening, I mean, I've verified this as well, and many others have, that there have been no, what are called randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies with an unvaccinated control group on these vaccines.
And not only with an unvaccinated population, which it absolutely needs to be done, and it could be done so simply, Mike.
I mean, all they would have to do is simple things like, you know, match the populations, have as closely matched populations as you could, compare vaccinated versus unvaccinated, and ask things like...
Let's say they're looking at a group of five-year-olds that are fully vaccinated versus a group of five-year-olds that have never had a vaccine.
And you could ask simple questions like, how many rounds of antibiotics has your child been on in his lifetime?
How many days has he had a fever?
If he's now in school, how does he compare to his peers?
You know, just simple things that would be very quantifiable, like the number of doses of antibiotics.
You know, the other thing about the comparing when we were talking about the science, about not really having a double-blind placebo-controlled trials, one looking at vaccinated versus unvaccinated, and one looking at true safety.
I mean, the other thing that really has happened is there really are no longitudinal studies.
I mean, they look at how long the vaccines, how soon they cause a reaction.
If it happens within 5 to 14 days, then they consider it a reaction.
If it happens after 14 days, it had nothing to do with the vaccine.
Right.
A very, very short-term window there on that.
But both the U.S. and the U.K. governments are now, they've underwritten the risk of vaccines through these vaccine compensation programs and then the blanket immunity so that parents can't sue the vaccine companies.
But this has put the governments in the positions of Where they must make sure that the vaccines are never shown to be dangerous, otherwise the governments are liable for potentially not just hundreds of billions of dollars in damage, but trillions of dollars in damage if that link can ever be shown.
They have a lot to lose, including I'm sure that some of them will go to jail, because I'm sure that there are some of them that absolutely know what's going on.
And I always use the example of Enron.
You know, Enron and Arthur Anderson.
You know, it was the core set of rotten apples at the top that knew what was going on and allowed it to go on for the sake of greed.
And the people that worked, the hundreds or thousands of people that worked for Enron and Arthur Anderson, that they just went to work every day and went to their cubicles and did their job and thought they were doing the right thing for people, they just really truly believed it was the right thing.
And that's the analogy that always comes to mind with the drug companies and particularly the pharmaceutical or the vaccine industry.
There are people at the very top that absolutely know everything that I've said and you say is true.
But the people down at the bottom, the nurses at the health department, the pediatricians who don't bother to even read the package inserts, I mean, the ones that are just doing because it's what they've been told.
You know, that's what they're doing, and they think they are actually truly doing a service to humanity.
The people that go on these mission trips off through Africa to vaccinate everybody, I mean, they really believe they're doing the right thing.
But you know, in the court of law, ignorance is not a defense.
That's a good point.
And so these people who think they're doing something right and good without ever examining the full boatload of evidence, they cannot use ignorance as their defense.
How do you know who to believe?
Because vaccines are promoted by every...
Every health authority, you know, every conventional health authority, I should say, by virtually every physician, by every medical school, every medical journal, every television advertisement, every pharmacy like Walgreens is huge into vaccines.
They're promoted by states and counties.
I mean, the list goes on and on and on.
How can a person say that all of those people have been hoodwinked?
Well, I don't know if it's as much as being hoodwinked as it is.
It's about money and power.
And that if you just take the time, there's two pieces, two answers to your question, in my opinion.
If you just take the time to look at the contrarian evidence, look at what's out there, and say, wow, they never told me that.
I didn't know that about all of those different vaccines, that they contained all of those different things.
That's the one thing.
The second part is In people's own experience, they are seeing the bad health of their children.
And, you know, I have always said that I would love to have the ACIP committee, the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices, those people who are supposed to be trained as MDs but gave up their thought to do no harm a long time ago.
I would love to have them come hang out in my office some afternoon and look these parents in the eye and call them liars.
When they tell you, my child was perfectly healthy, was happy and above the growth curve and knew, had a whole boatload of, had 45 words and was doing all of these things well above their age level until they got those vaccines.
I'd love for them to look the parents in the eye of those 87 girls that have now died from the Gardasil vaccine.
Look those parents in the eye and call them liars that it had nothing to do with the Gardasil vaccine.
So I think that people are, from their own experience, Are saying these people at the top are greedy liars and we're not going to believe them anymore.
Well, I think you're right that the people are waking up, the parents are waking up.
I mean, the parents especially.
This is who's getting this message.
But when the Lancet Journal retracted Dr.
Wakefield's original publication paper from 1998, you know, the parents didn't really buy it.
I think people are smarter today than they were five years ago because of things like Enron and Arthur Anderson and Goldman Sachs and the Wall Street bailout.
I think people...
Do not trust the government.
And I got to say, in the African American community especially, they know not to trust the government because they know history and they've seen what happens.
And now even with vitamin D in African Americans and breast cancer and prostate cancer, they know they're being lied to.
And believe it or not, it's the African Americans who I talk with who are the most likely to say, hey, heck no to vaccines because they know the government isn't telling them the truth.
And if the vaccines were so good and they were so protective and so effective, why do they have to pass laws to force you to take them?
Good point, yeah.
You know, everybody would be going, you know, because they would see people who were unvaccinated being terribly sick all the time and the ratio would be reversed.
We'd see all these vaccinated kids perfectly robust and healthy and major immune systems and brilliant and on no drugs.
But what we see is the unvaccinated population is like that.
And so they have to pass laws and force you to be medicated against your will, whether it's a child or whether we're talking about a healthcare worker in exchange for a job or to get into a college where you're paying an institution $30,000 a year for the right to sit in their classroom and be talked to by their professors.
Now I have to mandatorily medicate my child?
There's some real sorrid stuff here, Mike, and I think that what's happening, like with this document that we're releasing, you know, to show that there's more physicians that really know about this, there's people that know about this, and it's just the ugly underbelly of the industry is now really becoming exposed through...
Radio programs like this, through your website and your emails, through the internet, people are now seeing that, wow, this is not what we've been told.
We've been sold a bill of goods and we're mad as hell and we're not going to do this anymore.
Well, let's get to this document.
This is the document called Vaccines Get the Full Story, being released by the International Medical Council on Vaccination, of which you are one of the most influential members or board members.
What's your official title there, Sherry?
Oh, I think that myself and Dr.
Mayor Eisenstein and Dr.
Suzanne Humphries, the three of us are on the board of directors.
We are the advisory board for this International Medical Council on Vaccination, which came together.
Just because we were doing webinars.
We were doing webinars through medicalvoices.org.
We were doing webinars once or twice a week on vaccines and we went out and found that there were all kinds of people, practitioners, doctors, chiropractors, naturopaths in the country who were fairly versatile.
And I think some of them had been my students years ago and then started looking at their own information.
And there was a whole pool of people that really wanted to talk about the problems associated with vaccines from a variety of different perspectives.
And so we got to talking about it and said, well, what if we put together this council, this International Medical Council, and to show that there are a lot of highly trained, educated MDs, doctors of osteopathic medicine, doctors of naturopathic medicine that went to four-year medical schools that really understand that vaccines are not what we've been taught,
and let's pull us all together as a unified voice and Because the vaccine industry, like you've already said, Mike, certainly has a unified voice about how we should be vaccinated.
We need to pull together a unified voice of medical professionals that say, you're wrong and we're standing up against you.
Good for you.
I'm so glad that you're doing this and that your organization is getting all of this attention and getting the message out.
And I think, again, parents are really hungry for this information because they know that the conventional channels of information or propaganda can't be trusted.
They know they're being lied to.
I think a lot of moms just have great intuition.
then versus what their doctor is telling them.
And usually the doctor is this arrogant white male who's talking down to them and saying, you're stupid.
You don't know anything.
If your child has symptoms, that's just pure coincidence.
You don't know anything.
And I think moms are tired of being treated like that by these physicians and that they're willing to speak out against it and do some investigation.
And I think that's what's led to some of this groundswell of rejection of vaccines.
Absolutely.
And the other thing that parents are doing, and I see it all the time on my Facebook page, which is facebook.com forward slash vaccine info.
And, you know, just from posting and having a conversation with my community, we've got 22,000 people in a year.
It's just grown within a year to that point.
And a lot of the questions are things like basic stuff that these parents should have learned from their parents or they should learn from a pediatrician.
Things like When my child has a fever, at what point should I get concerned?
And so I wrote this article called The Importance of Fever, and it's bounced all over the Internet, and people have really appreciated the fact that most parents do not understand fever, and they think that if their child starts to get sick and has a fever, it's going to go from 101 to 2 to 7 to 10 to 12, and they're going to bubble and boil right in front of their eyes, you know?
And so they realize that no, now they understand the importance of fever and why it's there.
And we talk about fluids and what's appropriate for that, how you can naturally treat your child at home for the simple fevers and earaches and sore throats and the croupy little coughs and things like that.
And the unvaccinated kids, it kind of comes and goes.
And so the parents are now developing a sense of confidence that...
This isn't such a big deal.
I don't have to run them off to the doctor at every little sniffle.
I can learn how to do some of these things at home.
And I think that is really, that sense of self-responsibility is really catching hold.
And they're seeing that if they don't vaccinate, their kids aren't going to drop over dead because they don't have a vaccine.
And if they get sick, it kind of comes and goes.
It's not a big deal.
And I think that that is where the groundswell is coming from.
And that's what's going to change the next generation of health care, I believe.
Well, that's interesting that you're talking about parent responsibility and an understanding of the natural cycles of health or temporary disease in the human body and the body's innate wisdom and its ability to affect healing.
And yet the medical profession, conventional medical profession, is really based on the idea of teaching people a sense of learned helplessness.
They want people to feel like they're victims.
Dependencies.
Absolutely.
And vaccines play right into that.
If you're not vaccinated, then you're vulnerable.
And your immune system, therefore, in that mythology, your immune system has really no real useful function on its own.
In other words, you're born deficient.
You're born deficient in vaccines as a human being.
What a terrible, pessimistic, destructive message of helplessness and hopelessness.
And that's what modern medicine is based on.
Absolutely.
And it's also based on the theory that we are born to die.
And that once we get sick with something, that we just continue to disintegrate and deteriorate and degenerate until they bury us.
And that's why the whole concept in conventional medicine about disease management, pain management, diabetic management, there is never anything in there about get you well.
And there's only two things that make people sick.
There's only two.
If we boil it down to the bottom line, one is an excess of something, heavy metals, bad food, environmental toxicities, an excess of something, bad emotions, Or a deficiency of something.
And the nutrition deficiency is usually a vitamin, a mineral, a nutrient, exercise, water, sleep, getting outside and getting some sunshine.
And if you've got the right combination of the things you should have and you limit your exposure to the things you shouldn't have, that by definition gives you a very strong place of health.
And if you do get sick, the body has the ability to heal itself.
You put the right things in that were missing and you toss out those extra toxicities that shouldn't have been there in the first place and that you can heal.
And people look at me like I think I'm crazy and I say, well, have you ever cut yourself?
Ever.
Did it heal up?
Well, yeah.
Did you ever have surgery where they cut you open clear down to your intestines?
Uh-huh.
Did it heal?
Uh-huh.
Well, if the body didn't have the ability to heal itself, that could never happen.
And the same thing is true for your immune system, for your heart, your lungs, your brain, all of it.
And so I think that people are kind of starting to get that now and moving away from that place of dependency and feeling that, I mean, I hear it all the time.
People call me or send me emails or they say, I'm on all these medicines.
What do I need to do to get off of this stuff and get healthy?
And I think that that's the way that we have to take this country because we can't have a healthcare bill that's in our life that's, what is it, something like 56% of our gross domestic product or something?
I mean, it's like some unbelievable number.
Yeah, well right now it's like 20-22% or something in that range, but it's growing every year, and so you're right, it threatens to take over our GDP. In other words, we could become a nation where 50% of the jobs are government agents and the other 50% are disease professionals, and the government agents enforce the disease professionals.
Oh, that sounds like a sci-fi movie.
It's crazy.
It's like one minute you're getting felt up by the TSA, the next minute you're getting injected by your doctor.
Oh my.
Crazy stuff.
But, you know, I think one of the things that's happening here in the history of human civilization that's so fascinating is this era of belief in the germ theory of disease and vaccines.
This has been a very short era, actually, in human history.
And it is a phase that human understanding is obviously moving through and moving beyond.
And it's now very clearly being shown as outmoded.
This idea that you can solve every health problem with a chemical if you could only find the right chemical.
This is clearly ancient medical history or soon to be.
I mean, you see it in the cancer industry.
Every year they're out there saying, we need to raise more money, give us more money so we can search for the cure.
Well, what do they mean by that?
They mean a patented synthetic chemical cure.
Well, they're never going to find that because that's not the way cancer works.
And the vaccine industry has the same thing.
They're always looking for the next chemical to inject into you to solve your health problems.
I think this era is crumbling and the credibility is eroding by the day.
I mean, this is wonderful because it's like we are witnessing the birth of a new shift in consciousness and new understanding to take us to the next paradigm of healing.
And I think what you're doing, Sherry, and what your colleagues are doing is part of that shift.
Wow, that's really, that's great.
I wish you'd say that more often and say it loudly because it leaves people with a real sense of optimism and you put that in context with the historical backdrop of the pharmaceutical industry is only a little over 100 years old really and in the way that we know it today.
And it does leave a sense of we are shifting and moving something forward.
And I know that I've talked to a couple of economists who believe that, you know, we've seen a lot of economic bubbles in our country over the last couple of decades, the tech bubble and the real estate bubble, and they think that this is a pharma bubble.
And that pharma is really out of patents and everything's going off a patent and anything that's now coming online is just a me-too drug, which is a replication of something that's already out there.
They're running out of ideas and that this is a bubble that is about to burst.
And I think that we could be poised, we in the integrative medicine and on the health side of the equation could be poised to be in a place to hold those people's hands of saying there is a better way.
There really is a better way.
You don't have to wait until the whole thing falls apart before you choose differently for your life, for yourself, and your families.
I'm really glad you brought that term in here, pharma bubble, or even a vaccine bubble.
I mean, people are familiar with this concept of a bubble, something that usually is spread by madness.
And greed.
And greed, yes, exactly.
I mean, you're right.
This is a classic bubble, just like the great tulip bubble from, what was that, the 1700s?
Yes.
And then it crashed, and every bubble crashes.
And People do need to know how to move on, but this brings up a question, because vaccines can cause, as you hinted at earlier, permanent damage.
So we may be looking at several generations of people who are the victims of the vaccine bubble even long after it has passed.
I'm not so sure it would be several generations, but certainly a very large segment of our population that's between this one generation, like the Y-Gens and their younger siblings, the ones that are, say, born or one or two years of age now up through maybe 25 years of age.
I really think that they've taken the lion's share of it so far.
And then the sad part is there's 330 vaccines in development right now as we speak.
330.
There are 96 of them that are waiting.
There are 95 in development or waiting approval on 239 marketed products that are ready to be launched.
So we've got to get past this bubble because this generation of chronic illnesses and what's happened to them is going to last a lifetime and I'm very concerned about like the Gardasil vaccine that has been shown in female mice to cause infertility and now they're wanting to give it to little boys and it's been shown in male mice to cause testicular atrophy.
And so are we now creating a next generation of children that aren't even going to be able to reproduce?
You know, we've talked about that.
Yeah, so maybe you're right.
I mean, there's at least one full generation of travesty that's going to have to march along, you know, the timeline.
And hopefully they will not pass that on to their children so that we don't have a several generation thing like what you mentioned.
Well, this gets into, I mean, this issue of infertility, especially when there is so much known now.
There's so much evidence linking vaccines to infertility and also GMOs, genetically engineered organisms, to infertility.
And you find that those who support vaccines are almost 100% supporters of GMOs.
And you see, these people are all claiming they're the ones saving the world.
They're the ones saving lives.
They're going to save the future of the world.
In fact, it was just the other day that the Telegraph newspaper said it is now irresponsible to question GMOs because...
GMOs are going to feed the planet.
And if you question GMOs, you are responsible for starvation.
Doesn't that sound familiar?
That's what they say about the vaccine people.
People asking questions about vaccines or refusing vaccine shots.
They say, you're the ones who are spreading disease.
You know, what comes to mind when you talk about that is the thing that floats around the internet every once in a while, that it's a very long, like one long piece, but at the end of it, the bottom line is, you know, there's 545 people in Washington, and there's 300 million people outside the Beltway.
When are we going to get that we have to take it back from those people down there?
And the same thing in other governments.
I mean, look, there's all kinds of government things going on in other parts of the world right now of people that are taking back their power.
They're saying, we're done, you're out of here.
They're doing it in Egypt this morning.
Egypt and Tunisia and Greece and, you know, England was marching against Prince Charles.
And so the people in this country now are not in any way advocating violence, okay?
I'm not saying go out and pick up your pitchfork and go after these people.
But in one way or another, they have all taken away our power.
And that whole expression about we get the government we deserve because of non-participation, I think that's another area where people are waking up and they're getting involved.
And that's what the Tea Party has been about.
And what other grassroots movements like We Are Change, like the We Are Change kids, I love them.
I mean, because they are standing up and saying, I'm going to find out for myself.
I'm just not going to listen to you baby boomers tell me what to eat and drink and say and inject into my children.
And so we've got a grassroots of people that are going to have to stand up and make a change because we've been lied to.
We've flat out simply been lied to.
And they get away with their lie because they have the media presence and the mouthpiece to say it over and over and over again.
But people aren't buying it anymore.
And I think that's exciting.
Well you mentioned that you don't advocate violence and I want to speak to that for a moment because In one interpretation, in fact, a well-justified interpretation, vaccines are a form of medical violence.
And, you know, when you inject a child with a substance that causes inflammation of the brain, and there are substances and vaccines that do that, as you well know, and you've talked about the adjuvants and others, preservatives, is this not an assault on a child, a medical assault nonetheless?
Oh, it definitely is.
I mean, it's almost sadistic.
I mean, you've got this precious little tiny little baby that's hours old and you're jabbing it with cold, hard, steel, sharp things to inject animal cells in it?
I mean, really, when you put that into context, I mean, someday I'd love to do like almost a satire on it because that's what people seem to get, you know, if you can put it in that perspective because it really is, it's almost demonic and sometimes I get into that really dark place in my brain when I think about it and have to do something more positive like what you just suggested that maybe it's on its way out.
Because it's like how can these people call themselves physicians, pediatricians, that have supposedly gone to medical school and three years of residency and are supposed to be experts in the developmental health of the immune system, the brain, the neurological system, and every single part of that little bitty infant, but yet it's okay in their brain to go in and jab them full of a bunch of chemicals when they're only 60 days old.
I just wanted to take all of them and have this vision of taking every pediatrician in the country and taking them to some big football stadium somewhere and make them sit there for like a week and relearn everything they were supposed to learn and have to take a test and pass it before they can come out.
Well, they have to be de-educated from their conventional false training, so we would call that a de-education camp.
But I mean, and surprisingly enough, I think that there's a growing, growing amount, number of pediatricians who are getting it too.
They just are afraid.
They're scared.
I mean, they're in like a three or four person pediatrician group and if one or two of them really don't believe in vaccines but the other three do, I mean, that is not a pleasant work environment.
Well, it's interesting.
I found that conventional physicians are, even though they tend to be highly intelligent people on standard IQ tests, they are extremely susceptible to peer pressure, more so than other people I've found.
For example, a typical musician.
is a very independent-minded person, an artist, very independent-minded people typically.
They're not so easily swayed by their colleagues, but doctors, oh my goodness, you can't get them to challenge their colleagues very much at all.
They just go with the flow, and I think that's how they get through medical school for the most part.
I was to a conference, this was quite a few years ago, by Carolyn Mace, who teaches about energy medicine, and she explained it in a way that I've always remembered.
And what she said was that doctors operate from second chakra energy all the time, which is a tribal mentality.
And so when you think about it, you know, you go to medical, and it's no different than a street gang in South L.A. And that you have to beat your way in.
You have to fight and fight and fight through undergraduate degree to get accepted into medical school.
And then you have to fight, fight, fight to stay there.
And then you have to be really super competitive to get into the right residency programs.
So it's like fighting your way into a street gang.
Now you've passed.
You've graduated.
You're in the gang.
Try to leave.
They kill you on the way out.
Because now you're a member of the club.
You're part of the inner sanctum.
You have gone through all the initiation rites to get there to be called a physician and have you passed your boards and you get a really high dollar salary for going through all of that mental anguish.
And, you know, what is the definition of torture but to sleep-deprived people and tell them something over and over again?
Well, in a medical residency, you work 120 hours a week and you get told the same thing over and over and over again.
And if you step out of line or start to ask your question, you get publicly humiliated and embarrassed in front of your peers in order for you to get back into line.
And so now, try to leave.
Try to challenge the status quo.
They will kill you on the way out.
And they kill you by what they've done like to Dr.
Wakefield.
You know, they come after your reputation.
They come after your medical license.
They make you look like a scathing idiot in terms of the rest of the world.
So it's all about tribal mentality.
Yeah, the attack on Dr.
Wakefield is clearly designed to send a message.
This is not about Dr.
Lakefield's paper or his actions, because those, if you look at the facts, it's very clear that he is innocent of all of those allegations that have been made against him.
What's clear from it, though, is that there's a sense of punitive symbolism.
Yes.
Yes.
The medical institution is saying to everybody else out there, hey, if you question vaccines, we're going to take your license.
We're going to destroy your credibility.
We're going to run you into the ground.
And little did they know, by the way, and this is the good news, they've turned Dr.
Andrew Wakefield into a hero.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, this guy is standing his ground, he's speaking up for himself, he's answering the critics, and he's producing evidence that proves his innocence, and he's releasing a new book that documents all that evidence.
I mean, he is going to be one of the key people who spearhead, I believe, the end of the vaccine mythology that has infected our planet for many, many decades since the 1920s.
I mean...
And there's a whole other conversation.
What's really happening today, Sherry, in vaccine mythology, is that people have been infected by a false idea.
It's an article that I wrote a long time ago called The Belief in Vaccines.
It's a belief system.
And that's it.
I believe in vaccines.
Well, it doesn't have anything to do with beliefs.
We're not talking about faith here.
We're talking about does it work or doesn't it work?
Does it cause harm or doesn't it cause harm?
And I also remember Dr.
Wakefield gave a talk, and I wrote an article about this a while ago, too.
This was back in 2002, and it was an autism conference, and there was a post-conference fundraiser for the conference.
It was a private invitation, you know, dinner, and Andrew Wakefield was the keynote speaker, and I just remember him talking about, you know, if any of us that are in the room, he addressed all of us, all the speakers and everybody that was in the room, he said, if we put the flag down now,
if we don't keep going, even when the going gets a little tough, and this was in 2002 for him, He said, if we stop, who is going to defend these children because nobody will come along behind us and pick up that flag?
And that stuck in my heart, and I've never forgotten that.
And that's why I believe that the doctors who are standing strong with the International Medical Council on Vaccination, we all believe that.
If we don't take a stand for our patients and for these children and for the next generation, who will do it?
We're willing to stick our neck out and come together and be a solidified voice because somebody has to.
And thank you for doing that, by the way.
You have inspired so many people.
And I want to ask you, for those listening who want to learn more about you, can you give out your website addresses or your Facebook address?
And how can people learn more from you?
Sure.
The website is www.drtenpenny.com.
T-E-N like Nancy, P like Paul, E-N-N-Y, drtenpenny.com.
There's lots of free information there.
There's obviously DVDs and books and things that we sell for educational purposes.
And then our Facebook page is facebook.com forward slash vaccine info.
It's facebook.com forward slash vaccine info.
It's a great community out there, Mike.
We actually even have rules on our wall The rules are you play nice, you don't call names, you don't come here to agitate.
If you come here to agitate, you're disinvited.
This is a community of people who have honest questions about vaccines and want to share information and get information and they're not there to pick a fight because we don't allow it.
We actually even have an executive committee to keep the snarky people off.
Well, and speaking of those snarky people, I'm sure you realize this too, but we've discovered, and this is going to be a future breaking story probably, that the vaccine companies are hiring people to run around the web attacking anyone who questions vaccines.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I mean, you know, we know that, you know, ORAC and the skeptics and all of these people are funded, you know, by Santa Fe Pasteur, and they actually have kind of come clean about it.
And so, you know, it's okay for them to sit there and do that, but just tell the truth.
Right.
You know, if you want to be, you know, put out this position and write eloquently about all of the things that you believe are true or you're getting paid to write, well, that's okay.
Just let people know you're getting paid to write it.
Right.
Well, the best thing is to say that, hey, we support their freedom to write what they want because we support freedom of religion and their belief in vaccines is a religion.
Excellent.
Excellent point.
Absolutely right.
I mean, and that's true.
That's the way I feel about it.
But at least they should admit that it is a religion.
It's a certain system of beliefs, and I have nothing against other people's system of beliefs.
But let's not call it science if it isn't science.
That's a different animal altogether.
I've always been rather amused by doctors who want to call themselves scientists.
I mean, really, that's always been a bit of a ruse to me because doctors are not scientists, in my opinion.
This is just my opinion.
They have a body of knowledge that they try to interpret to use to help other people.
Scientists, to me, are people who, you know, they use weights and measures and they use test tubes and they're in a lab and they have quantitative analysis.
We don't do any of that when we take care of people.
What we do is we, and you know, patients will tell you if they go to five different doctors for their back pain, they're going to get five different opinions and five different treatment modalities.
What kind of science is that?
I mean, people are doing what's in their best, physicians are doing what they believe from their knowledge base and their experiences in their best abilities to try to help people.
But it's not always the same.
Yeah, I'm glad you said that because we do want to make a point here that physicians, even when they are vaccine pushers, nearly every physician I've ever met has a good heart.
They mean well.
They are not evil people.
They are trying to use the tools that they know or that they've been taught to help people.
It's just that their bag of tools doesn't include nutrition.
It doesn't include, you know, vitamin D and sunshine and playing in the dirt to get exposed to the probiotics in the soil and so on.
I mean, they just don't know these things.
I use the expression a lot, Mike, when I said, if the only tool in your toolbox is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail.
So if the only tool in your toolbox is a prescription pad, the only thing you know how to do is hand out prescriptions.
And so that's what conventional medicine is.
And some of my conventional medical friends, they look at what we do in our clinic, which, by the way, our clinic is here in Cleveland, Ohio.
And if people want that website, it's www.10pennyimc.com, which is...
Tenpenny Integrated Medical Center, so tenpennyimc.com.
And we have patients that have come from 39 states and 11 foreign countries to come to get well and get off their drugs.
And we have an enormous number of tools in our toolbox to use for people with different types of problems.
In fact, sometimes we have to prioritize which tool we're going to use in what organization.
In order to get people better.
Conventional medicine has two tools, a prescription pad and an order slip.
So they order a test or an x-ray or they give you a prescription.
And just to clarify too, for those interested, your clinic does a lot more than just focus on vaccines.
You offer holistic treatments and guidance for patients who have challenges in many areas.
We do.
Our primary focus is allergy elimination.
That's where people have come from all over the world to go through our program because it's so accepted.
We have a women's health program that addresses adrenal and thyroid.
We do breast thermography, which is a very big program in our office.
We have a board-certified gynecologist so we do bioidentical hormones and pap smears and all of the women's health things.
We have a chiropractor and an acupuncturist and we have three nurse practitioners and a physician's assistant and we do a lot of different things.
We treat adults and we treat children.
And we get people, the kids off of their ADD drugs, you know, so they don't have to do that in school.
And so we have an alternative, integrative primary care practice that we use an entire different set of tools to get people well and to restore their health.
That's nice to hear.
Cleveland.
Cleveland.
Yes, Cleveland.
I'm just making sure that you said Cleveland.
I did.
It's not exactly the mecca of forward thinking around here in terms of alternative medicine, but I think that we've really changed the perception.
And Cleveland, it's actually a pretty nice place to be.
Okay, good.
Good to hear.
Let's get to some action items because I know a lot of people listening, they get this, they're on board, they understand what's going on, but they don't know what actions they can take right now.
And I think a lot of parents are intimidated by local authorities and all the, you know, how do you opt out of vaccines?
How do you even, because they end up in arguments, you know, with their doctors or their school authorities about vaccines and they don't know how to navigate all this.
That's a really good question, Mike.
I mean, for one thing parents need to know is that they do have a right to refuse.
All 50 states have exemptions.
Every state except West Virginia and Mississippi have a medical exemption, and there's 19 states that have something called a philosophical exemption.
Which means that if you don't want your kids to have vaccines, you don't have to get them vaccines to go into school.
Those states all have a little bit different rules and regulations, and you can find out that about your state, pardon me, if you go to NVIC.org, which is the National Vaccine Information Center, NVIC.org.
Right on their home page, there's a button that clicks on the laws, and you can find out what your law is in your state.
The other thing is I always tell parents to try not to engage in this battle with their pediatrician.
Their pediatrician is meant to be a consultant.
It's no different than going to a lawyer or a CPA or your hairdresser.
Those people are all consultants to you that you pay them money to give you advice.
And they were not there to engage in a battle with them.
And if you cannot have a consultant that supports your decisions, then go find another one.
I mean, you wouldn't go to a hairdresser and you say, I just want to trim and they cut six inches off your hair, you know?
Or you wouldn't say, I want it dyed blonde and they dye it purple, you know?
I've been to hairdressers like that, actually.
You would go get another one.
And so, and if you learn a lot of these things and you don't vaccinate your children and you do vitamin D and you do vitamins and you get them outside and you get them to bed on time, the importance of sleep cannot be overstated, you're not going to have to go into that pediatrician.
If you just need a sports physical or something like that, find yourself a nurse practitioner, a naturopath, a pediatric chiropractor, an acupuncturist, a doctor of oriental medicine, particularly people in the western states that have those people that are more about primary care.
You do not need to have a pediatrician.
Alright, good action item.
What about school officials?
They can be very intimidating about children.
They'll call parents dangerous.
They'll say, you know, you're irresponsible not having your child vaccinated.
Yeah, I guess you can engage in that battle if you want.
It can be, you know, kind of bloodied.
Most of the time what it just takes is quietly printing out your state law, writing your letter, and taking it to the principal and showing them what the state law is and asking them to please sit down and shut up.
I like that.
You know, because this is the law, and it's unfortunate that you, principal, are not aware of it, but now that you are informed, would you kindly please sit down and shut up?
I do have a right to refuse, legally.
And if they want to go farther than that, then it depends on how brassy you want to get with it.
But most of the time, you can just very quietly show people the law.
And I think that, you know, I really feel, Mike, where our next biggest battle is with this is going to be colleges.
And I've said this for at least five years now.
Because we've got all of these parents who say, yep, you're right, I'm not vaccinating my kids.
And then all of a sudden they graduate from high school, and the colleges are now the next barrier to entry.
Yes.
Yes, I've seen that.
I have friends who have two children entering college, and they showed me the requirements.
And sure enough, all these vaccines, meningitis being one of the main ones, and now they have to jump through yet more hoops to get outside of that system.
We actually have a committee of people that are going to be working on that throughout.
That's one of my personal action items for 2011, is to formulate some tools for parents who are at that level.
Because I think it's just criminal to me that you want to go to a public school and you're going to pay tens of thousands of dollars to get a piece of paper from that institution.
And they're going to require you to be mandatorily medicated.
I've spoken to a lot of people in higher education, and I think that the route that we're going to help parents go through is the fact that we, and also from the side of the schools.
I mean, they don't want to get sued if they don't tell people to get a meningitis vaccine and they have two kids die.
So I think what the appropriate course of action for the colleges would be is to recommend all of these vaccines, send out all the pro-vaccine literature that they want, recommend it, and then put in their fine print, if you refuse all of this, the liability is on you.
And I think that most parents who have fought that liability and that whole issue ever since their kid was born, they're like, okay, not a problem.
I can keep my kid healthy.
And if there's an outbreak, I'll pull them out and take them home.
Right.
And so then that way that allows people that want to vaccinate and just want to march down there, that's okay.
You can do that.
The people that don't want to, they understand where the liability is.
And the liability in terms of recommending but not requiring comes off the schools.
Because I've said to some college officials, I said, so you're going to recommend these vaccines.
What if they have a bad reaction and die?
And now you've recommended this.
Exactly.
Yeah, they have liability on that side.
Right.
Colleges are not protected by the injury compensation program.
So we're going to be working on this all year.
I'd love to enlist your help in this to try to help us to disseminate, once we get this package of tools together for parents as they start getting their kids into college age, that's going to be the next barrier of entry.
And I want to be ahead of the curve on that and give parents the tools that they need to navigate those waters.
We would love to be part of that.
And it seems like one of the things we really need to drive this point home is a parent suing a college or a university for vaccine damage.
Yep.
Or for the right to have their child.
I mean, it's like, you know, some of these colleges are like, you know, $200,000.
I mean, it's $50,000 a year.
It's like, excuse me?
You're going to force my...
You don't want my money?
Because you're going to make me get my kid an MMR? And I think that there's going to probably have to be some high-level lawsuit, but that has its own level of volatility, and that could go both either way.
Sure, yeah, yeah, very good point.
What about, in terms of really breaking open this story, I've always felt that if we could establish the reinfection rate of people who are vaccinated with seasonal flu, but yet who get the flu anyway...
And that's a lot of people.
I mean, from just the very casual research I've done, it's certainly not at a level of scientific at this point, because that's not what I do.
But just asking around and who got sick and were they vaccinated, it seems that from that, most of the people who get sick in the winter are the very same people who get vaccinated every year against seasonal flu.
How can we get something more solid on that question?
Well, some of the vaccine research that's published at the CDC has some of that.
Now, I don't think they have that with influenza.
But what comes to mind is these outbreaks of, say, pertussis and mumps and measles.
The one that sticks out in my mind is the mumps outbreak that happened in Iowa a couple years ago.
And when they actually went and looked at the data, something like 67% of the kids who got mumps had had two MMRs.
And so it was some number, some really high number like that, that looks at the vaccine failure rate.
The same thing with pertussis.
I mean, the number of kids that actually contracted pertussis that had been vaccinated, they published those numbers.
So it's not quite the same thing that you're saying, but it certainly is demonstrating a vaccine failure rate that is really high, that has nothing to do with the vaccination rate.
So you have a population of, say, 100 kids that get vaccinated, and if 80 of them contract the illness, then how much did the vaccine help?
Well, right, exactly.
And this also, I think, gets to the issue of false advertising.
Oh, yeah.
These vaccines are, you know, they are advertised with these ridiculous implications that they're 100% effective.
Get the shot.
You won't miss work.
You won't get sick.
You'll protect your family and so on.
And these are fraudulent marketing lies.
It's so interesting that you brought that up, Mike, because I have said that so many times.
I mean, how many times do they have to do the Cochrane evaluation over and over again until they did it in 4 and 5 and 7 and I believe 9 that have shown unequivocally in all age groups that flu shots do not work?
And they've looked at all of the research that's been published and even translated the 17 articles from Russian to be complete and found that under no circumstances do the flu shot keep you from getting sick.
There's no better than the placebo, but yet we spend Medicare dollars, Medicaid dollars, insurance dollars.
I mean, endlessly.
I mean, the government is the number one purveyor of flu vaccines, I believe, in the world.
And yet, we have enormous amounts of information and research that says it doesn't work.
Talk about fraud.
Why isn't the FTC going after that?
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah, that's a clear case of marketing fraud.
I mean, they'll go after a company growing cherries or selling walnuts, but...
They won't go after vaccines that are fraudulently marketed.
And if you go talk to people standing in line in these vaccine lines, and I've done that, by the way, I'm just that interested in stirring people up, and they will tell you that they believe that the shot offers basically 100% protection.
And they believe that the shot's good for you, like it's a B12 shot or something.
That's right.
I have to get my vaccine.
Well, why?
Well, because I do.
Like, okay, is it good for you?
Well, yeah.
They told me I needed it.
It's not a shot of B12. It's not a vitamin shot.
It's like, you know, but they really believe that.
Oh, it's good for me.
It's not only going to 100% of the time keep me from getting sick, it is going to be good for me somehow.
You know, there's a theory behind this in that vaccines damage brain function and reduce cognitive function and ability.
And so the people who get vaccinated then acquire an inability to think critically about vaccines from that point on.
And they keep coming back year after year to get re-injected with the same thing that's reducing their ability to get out of this intellectual trap.
Wow, that's an interesting concept.
That's very interesting.
Well, we know how much, you know, that the vaccines cause all kinds of inflammation and inflammatory markers.
And one of the reasons, you know, people say sometimes, well, if that's true, if vaccines are so harmful, why is it that everyone who gets vaccinated isn't sick?
And I usually respond to them saying, well, not everybody that smokes got lung cancer.
Not everybody exposed to asbestos got asbestosis.
Not everybody that does something stupid ends up getting injured.
And so sometimes it's the luck of the draw.
And I think that some of it, I did some research in the flu vaccine DVD that came out this last fall.
It's called Flu and Influenza, What's Coming Through That Needle.
There's a big section in there that I talk about.
The latex.
The latex in the stopper, the top of the vial, is very much a sensitizing allergen in a lot of people.
And about half of the vaccines have latex in the stoppers and about half of them don't.
And if there's seven different manufacturers of flu shots...
Six of them come in a vial, one of the flu mists that goes up the nose, and so three of them have latex in the stoppers and three of them don't.
So the people that maybe have an underlying latex sensitivity, when they get that particular flu shot, they'll have a reaction.
But if they get a different flu shot, they don't.
And I think that it's by design.
I think that a lot of these vaccines all have, there's 62 different types of chemicals.
And I believe that they have different combinations, different types of vial stoppers, so that there isn't a one-to-one comparison, and the matrix is too big and too complex to figure it out, and I personally believe that that's by design.
Wow, that's a really good observation.
Because they know if they can obfuscate the data here, that it's difficult to get to the bottom of it.
And for those children who are killed or harmed, they can just try to blow that off as coincidence.
I mean...
It's amazing the excuses they come up with.
But now, this latex factor, you're talking about now, okay, in vaccines you've got mercury, you've got aluminum, you've got formaldehyde, and potentially now latex, which is something I've never really heard talked about with vaccines.
But I understand what you're saying.
It's in the stopper.
It's in the stopper.
It's those little gray stoppers.
In fact, my researcher and I, we spent about 18 hours between the two of us just researching gray stoppers.
We became...
I'm looking at little mini-experts on halogenated butyl gray rubber stoppers.
And I'm not even sure where, you know, sometimes, Mike, and I know you're a great researcher too, how something, it's like you're reading and a word just pops off the page at you and it takes you down a rabbit hole.
And so something with this latex just caught my eye.
And honestly, I really thought when I first started investigating it that what I was going to find was that it was the synthetic rubber that was causing the problem.
And it isn't.
It's the natural latex rubber that's causing the problem.
And the pharmaceutical industry and every other industry except vaccines has been using the safer form, non-reactive synthetic rubber in those stoppers.
And that safer form has been available for use in the medical industry for 62 years.
But the vaccine industry, I think, since they have blanket immunity now...
They don't care.
They don't care.
All safety standards have just been thrown out the window.
They can do anything they want, and they have immunity.
I mean, who came up with that structure?
Yeah, wouldn't every other industry like to have that, a blanket immunity?
I mean, every other industry.
Right.
So it really is.
And it becomes almost cavalier.
And I don't think it's that they think, oh, well, we'll just give them 50 more vaccines.
But it's like that's the reason why those vaccines have to get on the pediatric schedule.
Because when they are on the pediatric schedule is when they are covered by that blanket immunity.
And I think that's what happened back in 2004 when they started putting on the big push to get the flu shot into the pediatric schedule.
I think that somebody pulled their head up one day and went, oh, my gosh.
We've got these flu shots out there and we aren't covered by the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program for flu shots in adults because it's not on the pediatric schedule.
We better create a big old reaction, a big old thing in order to get that on the pediatric schedule.
And they did.
And they did.
So that they would have the blanket protection and now everybody has to get flu shots.
Everybody.
Incredible.
We are about out of time, but there's a question that's been on my mind for several weeks, and I've got to ask you this.
Gosh, I don't want this to get too gross.
In the manufacture of these vaccines, we know that some vaccines use monkeys and even monkey testicles that are somehow injected or inoculated with these viruses.
What's not clear to me, and this is my question if you know the answer, How are these viruses harvested out of these monkeys?
Are these monkeys infected and then allowed to fester and then they're euthanized and then their bodies are harvested in some way?
How does this work?
The African green monkeys, they just use their kidneys.
So these viruses that are in the monkeys are endemic to the virus, to the monkey.
The viruses in the monkey are endemic to the monkey, which means like, you know how humans have lactobacillus, and it's just there.
It doesn't cause any problems.
Or like we have Candida on our skin, and for the most part, it doesn't ever cause any problems.
So these are viruses that are just symbionts in these monkeys, and so they are infected into the kidneys.
So when they harvest the kidneys from the monkeys to use the kidneys to grow the viruses for the vaccines, they mix together.
And there isn't any way to get them out.
But what really happens here in the lab?
They've got a room full of caged monkeys.
Are they euthanizing these monkeys and then surgically removing kidneys and other body parts?
I mean, what happens here?
This is a big mystery.
Yeah, I do believe that that's what happens.
And then these kidneys get, I mean, what, ground up in a giant vaccine blender to make material to use for further refinement?
I mean, what...
No one talks about this.
I don't really know that anybody's actually gone in and watched that happen, Mike.
Maybe that's a great investigative thing to do.
You know, you want to see how are these things actually made.
I know that like the new cell line technologies that are using dog kidney cells and caterpillar eggs and some other types of...
Those are the two main ones.
And then the retina cells from aborted fetal tissues...
I know that they grow them in great big vats.
I mean, they look like great big steel vats, like fermenting vats.
And they mix all of this stuff together and it's like you're going to bake a cake, you know?
You mix all this stuff in there and then you throw in the viruses that you're wanting and the viruses have to have living cells and tissues to replicate.
And so they put the viruses in there and then they replicate and then they siphon off the fluid and somehow separate the fluid and the viruses and And it's this whole process that I believe is very antiquated.
It's not nearly as sophisticated as what they want everybody to believe it to be.
And that's why on a fairly regular basis, they have vaccine recalls because they're contaminated with bacteria or they're contaminated with like that thing that happened with the rotavirus that happened back a couple of months ago.
And how did it end up to get pig virus in there?
I mean, pigs aren't used anywhere in terms of the vaccine manufacturing process.
Well, this is the thing I've been asking around on this question.
I'm getting the sense that this is the huge, dirty little secret of the vaccine industry.
People are concerned about what's in their Taco Bell meat.
That's nothing compared to what you're injecting into your child's body that's in this vat of disease from harvested monkey organs that they call vaccine production.
I mean, I want to get to the bottom of this.
And maybe someone will leak a video or something.
That could just destroy the vaccine industry if people really knew what was going on.
That's really true.
And now that we have the new Novartis flu vaccine plant, and I believe it's in North Carolina, that they're going to be using dog kidney cells, and they're going to be using MF59, which is the squalene-based adjuvant that causes all kinds of autoimmune problems.
And then neither of them have been approved for use yet in the U.S., but Novartis has sunk a couple billion dollars, including matching funds from U.S. tax dollars, into building their manufacturing plant down there.
Maybe you'll have a fan that works at that plant that can get some information for you.
Yeah, because what they're doing is bringing in, on one side of the factory, they're bringing in animals.
And on the other side of the factory, out go the dead animal carcasses and vaccines.
Yep, exactly.
Oh, God.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't want this to get too gross, but it is gross.
Parents out there, if you're listening, this is what you're injecting into your babies and your children's bodies is this kind of blended-up, diseased concoction grown in vats and harvested from diseased animals.
I mean, This is pretty insane stuff.
Yeah, it is.
It is.
It really is.
And that's where I think that if people just did something as simple, just as simple as reading the package insert, which is required by law to come with every single manufacturing product, whether it's a pill or a shot, it's required to be dispensed with the package insert by law.
And you don't have to be a doctor or a nurse to understand it.
Now, there may be a few words in there that you maybe don't kind of stumble across, but it's written in plain enough English that you start reading this and you go, my gosh, I want that stuff injected in my baby.
Right.
And I think that where a lot of the changes happen from there, but I'm in agreement with you.
I think that there's a lot of stuff in these manufacturing plants that is just disgusting.
How can it not be?
When you think about how particularly the viral vaccines are grown.
Well, yeah.
I was watching a recording the other day of a top scientist from Merck.
In fact, Gary Null had this audio on his show.
This is a top scientist from the 1960s who developed many, many of the vaccines we know today, measles and mumps and so on.
And on this recording, he's talking about the cancer-causing viruses that are in these vaccines.
Even they knew they were in the polio vaccine and they just looked the other way.
But he said that in a typical vaccine, there are 40 other viruses that cause other diseases that aren't even supposed to be there.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
You know, the stealth viruses are absolutely there.
I mean, the ones that come out that are in the avian serum and in the bovine serum.
I mean, the avian serum is the ones that has chicken fat.
Viral contaminants and avian contaminants.
And they know that the ones that are in the bovine serum, that several of them have been linked to turning on some of the cancer genes, particularly breast cancer genes.
And they know that in the specific pathogen-free eggs of which these viruses are grown, that was one thing that caught my eye one time.
I was reading a package insert and it said specific pathogen-free eggs.
And I thought, now what the heck does that mean?
Why does it just say pathogen-free?
What does it mean, specific pathogen-free?
Oh, just certain pathogens are lacking.
Well, just certain pathogens are tested for.
And so I track that down into the egg industry that produces millions of eggs a year for the vaccine industry.
And there are certain chickens that are grown in certain environments.
And then when they have the eggs, the eggs are tested for specific pathogens.
And if those list of pathogens are not there, then those eggs are okay for the vaccine industry.
But there are hundreds of pathogens that are not tested for at all.
Wow.
And so those are the ones that we end up with this entire bunch of viral soup that goes into our genetic little humans and can actually be incorporated.
It's a process called transcession, which is the incorporation of a DNA of a viral bacterial animal cell into the DNA of the human and transforms it.
Actually creating mutant humans.
Exactly.
Except you don't get powers like the X-Men.
You can't walk through walls.
It's just the opposite.
You get weaker and weaker and weaker.
Right.
Your superpower is the ability to collapse five times a day.
I'm not trying to make fun of that, but sometimes you've got to be a little bit satirical.
Add a little bit of levity to it, really.
But with all these animals going into this, I mean, this is pretty crazy.
You mentioned the pig viruses that were contaminating the rotavirus vaccines.
And I remember that.
And the FDA said, oh, it's no problem.
It's harmless.
Just go ahead and inject those pig viruses.
And you've got bird viruses.
You've got pig viruses, monkey viruses.
Cow viruses.
Cow, dog.
This is like the vaccine companies have their own Noah's Ark.
You know, two of every animal.
They put out a sign in front, Noah's Ark, come to be saved.
But when you get in there, it's a giant blender.
They blend it all up.
Oh, it isn't Noah's Ark.
It's Merck's Ark.
That's a great...
You need to hang on to that, and that should be one of your next cartoons.
Oh, man.
And this ship is sinking, too.
This is not saving anything.
Oh, that's disgusting as that is.
You know, when you read these things and these scientists who are trying to figure out the next way to make these viruses replicate, and they're using things like retinal cells from aborted fetal tissues and caterpillar eggs.
So now we're going to have insect DNA injected into us.
And it's just gross.
I mean, it's like, how do they even conceive of these diabolical plans in order to make a vaccine?
And what it all boils down to, Mike, is what we've been talking about this whole time.
It's all about greed.
Well, you use the word diabolical, and I don't think I can ask you for very much more of your time here.
But this is such a fascinating topic that where does evil really come from?
And what is the definition of evil in this realm of vaccines and medicine and the way that they sacrifice the lives of these animals in order to make money infecting humans and injecting humans with harmful substances?
I mean, I think when you get down to the definition of really pure evil, I think that you are going to uncover the root of the vaccine industry.
Yeah, it's something I don't generally talk about a lot, but, jeez, you know, you brought it up.
But I think that, you know, if you really look at the evil and you look at things like human sacrifice and particularly child sacrifice, I mean, how deep does this thing really go?
And is it at the highest levels, again, is it really, really about destroying children?
And it can get into a really dark place when you think about that.
Yeah, I know where you're going with this.
And put this happy umbrella of keeping you all safe and healthy over top of it.
Right.
Well, many civilizations throughout human history, of course, have relied on sacrifice, child sacrifices, in order to appease what they believed to be their gods or their...
I mean, wasn't it the Mayans who would sacrifice human lives in order to propel the sun across the sky?
Yeah.
Or, you know, in their minds.
And you have this vaccine industry that's led by, you know, some of the companies in here.
This is not a conspiracy theory.
It's just a historical fact.
I mean, these were IG Farben, the companies that were involved in Nazi Germany and experiments on Jewish prisoners and so on.
I mean, that's just a historical fact.
And you've got to really get into...
Like you say, what's behind all of this?
Is there some overarching spirit of evil that is driving some of this and resulting in the harming of our children?
I don't want you to get yourself in trouble so you don't have to say too much right now.
Maybe we'll talk about this later.
It has been a thought that has always crossed my mind.
It's not, I suppose, provable, but sometimes it can look so, you know, diabolical.
It can be looking so sinister that sometimes you just have to wonder, like, because nothing else seems to make sense.
Yeah, right.
If you look for a rational explanation, why?
Those who know what's happening, who are at the top of this industry, they know.
They've been in the labs.
They've seen the animals come in and the vaccines go out.
They've seen the lawsuits from the parents whose children have been harmed.
They know what's going on.
How can they wake up in the morning and look in the mirror?
How can they sleep at night?
How can they have souls?
Well, and when you look at, like, you know, Julie Gerberding, who was the head of the CDC for eight years, and by our U.S. laws, public servants have to wait 366 days before they can take a job in private industry, and on day 367, she assumes the role of Merck for Vaccines International for Merck UK. Right, right.
So what sort of inside secrets and thoughts did she take with her from our government that paid her salary for eight years being head of the CDC right directly into the vaccine industry for Merck?
Well, and also, how much was she working on behalf of Merck in the previous years when she perhaps had already been made an offer?
You know, you do this for five years in the CDC, you push our vaccines, you push the pandemic, and we'll reward you with a seven-figure salary on day 367.
Yep, exactly.
And so when you talk about the souls of people, either there is something diabolical or they just absolutely are so brainwashed, they absolutely believe that none of this is causing any harm and that the risk-benefit ratio is so much to the benefit of mass vaccination that they can live with the rest.
I mean, I remember I was at an NVIC meeting years ago and I remember one of the attorneys talked about that he had sat inside of some of those boardrooms when they were bringing a new vaccine to market.
And some of the language was that we expect a certain percentage of wastage when this happens.
And as long as the percentage of wastage is small, it's acceptable.
And that was meant not only from manufacturing wastage, but also from a certain number of children will die.
And as long as that number is small, it is acceptable.
I've got that on tape.
I mean, that was from a conference, and I can remember being in that room and just hearing, you could hear a pin drop on the carpet, because this is what they care about.
I mean, when they bring a new drug to market, They set aside tens of millions of dollars for the potential for future lawsuits because the real clinical trials happen when they roll it out across the country and delivering millions of dosages to millions of people.
And when they find out things like Resilin and Vioxx and all these things are now killing people, well they've already made their billions and they've got a little trust fund of money set up over to the side to pay for those damages.
Yeah, better yet, you can do what Pfizer did, set up a shell company, let the shell company take the hit, and admit felony crimes, which is what it did, and then that shell company can no longer conduct business with the government, but your main company, Pfizer Inc., is, yeah, completely protected.
I mean, the stuff that goes on is just beyond belief to those who take a look into it, but, you know, we're...
We're out of time.
We've got to wrap this up.
I think that we could talk for probably the next couple of weeks, Mike.
It seems like we could cover an entire spectrum of things here.
Well, I think so.
But once again, this last hour and a half proves why people love to hear from you so much.
And I hope that perhaps we can do this again soon and get more updates about what's happening with the vaccine industry and just help people stay informed and stay aware.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And, you know, to let people know that those people who think, gosh, you know, I really don't want to vaccinate my kids, but everybody in my church and my community and everybody's going to think I'm crazy and they think they're all alone.
And when they get involved in, like, with natural news and with vaccine info, the Tenpenny Facebook page, Which is facebook.com forward slash vaccine info.
And they find an entire community of like-minded people.
They realize that it empowers them so they don't feel afraid and they don't feel alone.
All right, folks.
Well, we will put all those URLs up on this video.
We're going to turn this into a video so people can see that.
We'll be sure to get that out to everybody.
Sherry, thank you once again for sharing this time and all of your amazing information with us.
You're quite welcome.
Thank you for all the work that you do.
Well, it's my pleasure.
We are all on the same team.
It's always good to talk to you.
And hang on after this.
I want to chat with you for just a second after this recording.
But as usual, great to talk with you today.
And folks, if you're hearing some of this information for the first time, do your research because you'll find that everything we've talked about here is based, in fact...
And there's a lot of documentation to support it.
Just start looking around.
Educate yourself and you will be amazed at what you'll find out there.
Thanks for joining me today.
Thanks for listening.
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