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March 8, 2018 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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Adya Clarity shocking tell-all interview: Kacper Postawski and the Health Ranger

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	Welcome, everybody.
	This is Mike Adams, the Health Ranger with Natural News, and I'm joined today by Kasper Postowski, formerly of Water Liberty, but now doing some interesting new projects.
	Kasper, thanks for joining me today.
	Mike, thank you so much for having me here today.
	It's a blessing, and yeah, I'm ready to get started.
	This is a very unique interview, I think, the kind of interview that we've never done before.
	And some of the people watching this might be saying, well, wait a minute, wait a minute.
	Weren't you guys arguing like five years ago or whatever it was?
	And the answer is yes, we were, or at least our organizations were.
	And that's actually what this interview is about.
	And years ago, you know, I did what I call an expose on AudioClarity product, which was being very heavily promoted as a sort of a dietary supplement for detox.
	And the company, the AudioClarity company at that time, was run by a different person who isn't part of this interview.
	And a lot went on there.
	There was a lot of animosity at that time, but there's been a lot of Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, that's a pretty good introduction.
	I'm sure a lot of folks maybe are new to this topic, maybe don't even remember it.
	I'm mainly here, Mike, because I really value my friendship with you.
	And most of all, I'm really in a period of my life where I want to do some great work, and I am doing some great work in the world.
	My integrity is most important to me at this time.
	It's my key priority.
	Having what happened five years ago happen the way it did and with the lack of clarity around it, it's just not okay for me.
	So I want to bring clarity to these things and discuss them in a level-headed way.
	Well, I really appreciate you being willing to do this.
	In fact, this is the first.
	No one has ever had the courage to step forward and just have this conversation.
	So this is going to be of great benefit to our listeners and viewers.
	And by the way, if you're watching this and you're wondering why you're not seeing me, it's because I'm building a new video studio, but it's not ready yet.
	So Casper is the only one who has live video available.
	Well, you're just going to get to see my mugshot instead.
	So I apologize for that in advance.
	But to get started, Casper, let's go back to the history of what was AudioClarity.
	And I'd like to invite you to give your description of what it was.
	And if it's okay with you, I'll add in my description as well.
	Because I know we came at this from two different viewpoints.
	So why don't you start and tell people...
	What was AudioClarity, or I guess it still exists, but how did you get involved with it, and how was it promoted?
	Just give us the background.
	Sure.
	Let's see where to begin.
	Well, I mean, this was five years ago.
	I've been a marketer all my life, but I've always been drawn to miracle products, things that could really make a difference in this world, or at least look that way.
	Things that could profoundly solve some of the biggest problems in our world.
	Before I got into health, it was mostly around building biodomes and really helping the environment, free energy, and things like this.
	I got involved with Agilclarity about five years ago.
	The way it was being marketed at the time was as a A, to help get heavy metals, fluoride and volatile organic compounds and all kinds of toxins out of water.
	But not only that, also out of the human body.
	And there were a lot of people very, very excited about EduClarity, especially in the natural health area, promoting it very, very heavily.
	And I was just watching this on the sidelines.
	There's a very good friend of mine that was promoting it.
	And it seemed to be helping a lot of people.
	And he asked me, you know, why don't you promote this?
	And I thought, no, I don't want to get involved with this health stuff.
	I'm doing my bio-dome thing.
	I'm very happy.
	But it really, you know, sparked my interest because this is water.
	This is a very, very important topic on Earth right now.
	There's water shortages all around the world, and things don't seem to be getting any better any quicker.
	And so we started promoting it.
	And at the time, mind you, this was five years ago, 2011?
	Yeah, about 2011.
	Roughly.
	Yes, exactly.
	Gosh, almost six years ago now.
	So, at the time...
	The way that this was marketed, I can look back right now, wasn't very responsible.
	It was irresponsible.
	Not that I don't want to take responsibility for, I absolutely do, but I didn't have the filters in me available, which I do now, to be able to make decisions better.
	When this was brought to me, I thought, okay, what does this do?
	What are the benefits?
	Everybody said, well, it takes heavy metals out of the body.
	This is great.
	That's what everybody wants.
	Chelation.
	Everybody's talking about it.
	It takes heavy metals out of the water.
	It takes this out of the water.
	It takes fluoride out of the water.
	And it also takes it out of the body.
	And so there's a lot of claims being made.
	And it was very aggressively promoted.
	And we did the same thing.
	We built a webinar.
	A 45-minute webinar that just talked about the product and what it is and what it does.
	And I guess the right thing happened at the right time.
	And it did very, very well as a promotion.
	As in, it sold millions and millions of dollars of product, right?
	To be fully transparent, we sold 5.5 million dollars of product in about 3 months.
	Wow!
	It was really effective.
	We had many happy clients.
	People were saying they were getting good results and everything.
	When we first did the initial promotion, we put it out everywhere.
	It was on Alex Jones.
	It was on Infowars.
	It was on Before It's News.
	We bought every single alternative news outlet possible to just promote this webinar.
	Mind you, when you're scaling this fast in the business nowadays, you've got to get your facts straight.
	You've got to really be in integrity because there's a lot of people exposed to this message.
	I guess I could leave it to you now to talk about your side of the story because this is where you got involved and what happened from here on.
	Okay, yeah, yeah.
	So I heard about this and people I know in the industry wanted me to promote it.
	And they wanted Natural News to promote it.
	And so I started investigating it because I do a lot of due diligence on products before I would support anything or retail anything.
	And it's also worth mentioning, by the way, you are not the owner of the company.
	It was owned by another guy who was not part of this interview who I had a very public argument with.
	I had a couple of concerns.
	First, I did a heavy metals test on the product itself.
	And I found that it had very, very high aluminum.
	And I saw that aluminum wasn't listed on the label in its concentration with everything else.
	And that the product was mostly an iron supplement.
	It had high iron and high aluminum.
	And it was really a flocculent, which you can buy as a pool cleaning product.
	You add a flocculent to your pool and it tends to aggregate or precipitate heavy metals and lets them fall out of solution.
	In the bottom of the pool, in other words, so they get trapped in the filter.
	So I saw it as a flocculent, and I saw it as something that was being dishonestly labeled and dishonestly promoted.
	And I saw there was really no clinical evidence that it removed heavy metals from the body.
	And knowing what I know about heavy metals, I was very skeptical that it could do that.
	So I did...
	I think I had a call at one point with Matt Bakos, and this is where the red flags really went off for me, because he was talking pseudoscience gobbledygook, saying that, oh, the minerals penetrate to your bones if you soak in it, but the heavy metals don't penetrate.
	They don't go in your body at all, which didn't make sense to me, because how does the body selectively choose minerals versus metals that go in?
	Anyway, I had a lot of red flags, so of course I raised the alarm I went out with a warning, and some of the other people selling the product issued voluntary recalls, and then this was kind of when the war, I think, began.
	And there was a Bakos himself, he started impersonating online personalities to attack me through different people's names, and he was trying to discredit me while I was trying to warn people not to take this product because it was high aluminum, it was dishonestly labeled.
	It didn't have any clinical proof and so on.
	And then at some point, I'll turn it back over to you, at some point then you and your team pursued a clinical trial on this.
	Can you tell us about the trial?
	Sure, sure I will.
	Let's start from the beginning to where you left off, because this connects the dots.
	So, National News came out with all these articles saying, hey, we suspect this for high aluminum, we suspect this for this, we suspect that these claims aren't true.
	And first and foremost, I'm here to take responsibility for everybody on campus.
	For everybody who ever marketed IdeaClearly, not just ourselves, but everybody in the marketing, you know who I'm talking about, who instantly took the market off their websites, some pretty public profile health personalities and health businesses, and they didn't mention anything.
	Maybe they kind of linked to natural news, but I think only a few people issued refunds or something.
	So I'm here first and foremost to take responsibility for all of us collectively in this marketplace who did this and who misrepresented the product.
	By making claims which were unsubstantiated at that time.
	We have strong reasons we could talk about to believe that some of them may be true.
	It may be the case.
	But at this time, there isn't any really solid medical science to prove, at least to talk about the body.
	And so I want to take responsibility for that because that wasn't right.
	And that raises really a very important topic because it's...
	This industry in health and supplements is flooded with a lot of people who are just selling stuff and making all kinds of wild claims.
	There's a really grey line between integrity and what people are willing to say just to sell something.
	I definitely didn't come from those intentions.
	I just wanted to lie to people or to mislead people, but I honestly believed that this was true and it turned out to be either not true or perhaps not yet proven.
	Yeah, so it may take all these things out of the water, but to say that it takes it out of the body without having really solid proof that you can claim, I guess, wasn't right at the time.
	And the proof that AdityClarity and MatBakwas did have at the time were hair samples and a few odd little private blood tests from certain users.
	And things like this, which most of them were never made public.
	So just based on that, to spring a multinational, multi-million dollar advertising campaign was pretty flimsy and that's where you stepped in.
	Let's talk about that.
	Back then, I was a 25, 26-year-old kid.
	I was really quite confused because, Mike, you're my hero.
	I was like, wow, Mike is the last one on earth.
	We should be against this.
	This is saving people's lives and helping them get healthy and everything that's going on.
	I was kind of going through a dark night of the soul.
	But looking back on it now, I can see you did the right thing.
	And it taught me a lot.
	It's definitely teaching me a lot right now.
	What really integrity means and looking at really global scope and global reach, if you really want to get a solution out there, what's really necessary in terms of science and proofs and solidity.
	There's a right way of doing things, the middle path, and if you skew off of that, weird stuff can happen.
	I want to point out, what you're doing right now is really remarkable because, you know, Your intention has always been positive, and I want to really put that on the record, that you have always wanted to help people heal and help people discover new ways to help the body heal.
	And I know that you'll continue to do that.
	You have a lot of interesting projects, I would imagine.
	But intention alone is not enough, especially when we're talking about a dietary supplement that's not food.
	And this is a life lesson for all of us, everybody watching, and you and me both, Casper, is that when we talk about food, things that have been consumed as food over many, many hundreds or thousands of years, there is a margin of safety and a margin of wide compatibility with human biology.
	And so, you know, we can talk about eating celery or the anti-cancer nutrients in celery or the anti-cancer nutrients in orange, the white peel inside the outer peeling is anti-cancer or pomegranates or whatever.
	But one of the things that really was a red flag to me about audio clarity was that it was not a food.
	It was actually minerals and metals, or you might say inorganic elements, dissolved in acid.
	And then diluted to reach a certain pH that itself is not a problem.
	The pH wasn't a problem, but that this was not food.
	And so anytime we're dealing with something that isn't food, and this could be true with, you're talking about vaccines or pharmaceuticals or any kind of miracle natural supplement, let's say, if it's not food, in my view, the margin if it's not food, in my view, the margin of, or I should say, the required level of proof and evidence is so much higher because it's not something that our bodies, it's not something that we have traditionally consumed as a civilization for long,
	It's not something that we have traditionally consumed as a civilization for long, long times.
	So anyway, that was one of the distinctions that I made back then, and I just wanted to share that with you.
	So I kind of stepped out of the whole scene, and really we were the middle man between natural news and the supplier.
	I just kind of stepped in as a young kid in the marketplace.
	I wasn't even doing anything in hell, but we had a tremendous amount of success very quickly.
	I stepped out of it for a year, but I had this nagging voice.
	He's talked about intention.
	My intention is related to good in the world.
	It still is my viewpoint.
	It is a fantastic product.
	I believe It does.
	What the claims actually said.
	That's my wishful belief from what I've seen when I felt it in my own body.
	And I did it at that time.
	And so I wanted to put it back on the market, but I thought, no, this is just too crazy.
	It's like, you know, you have an amazing green juice supplement where somebody peed in it.
	It's just like it's too complicated to get it out there.
	But my team said, look, we've got to do this.
	We've got to fight.
	I don't have this in me anymore, but I used to.
	Like I said to you in private, I'm one of these people, perhaps like yourself, that when I really believe in something, I'm willing to risk my life for even my reputation if it means doing the right thing.
	These days, I'm learning to channel it in the right ways.
	But we decided to just, you know, push against it.
	Rather than just picking up the phone and calling you and discussing the topic, I'm like, I'm just going to get it out there and start a war, you know?
	I mean, that was essentially what we knew we were doing, subconsciously or consciously.
	And so we put it out there.
	We took another webinar out there, but we stripped it.
	I don't know if you know this, but we stripped it of all the medical claims.
	We just said, this is only for water purification.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, it takes the stuff out of the water.
	And it didn't do us good, but we got the business rolling again and we started Water Liberty.
	And our mission was to get breakthroughs out with water.
	Things that could really affect water in a profound way and help your health.
	And we started that company, and it started doing okay, but not great.
	And it was just a kind of side business.
	But slowly, we inched away at it, and we saved enough cash.
	We were like, okay, why don't we actually do what Mike and the community really needs to do, is to prove that this works.
	Let's get a clinical trial.
	I guess, I don't know why fate is just fate.
	So we found a clinical trial company.
	And, you know, long and short of it is we got scammed.
	And you helped me see that in the end when we started talking about it two years ago, almost two years ago now.
	Yeah, I remember you came to me and you were very gracious and said, Mike, can you help us interpret and analyze this clinical trial?
	And I said yes, and that's how we actually started talking and looking at what was coming out of that trial.
	It was fascinating, but it's to your credit that that process even began.
	Yeah, it was fairly expensive.
	How much was it?
	I don't remember the exact details, but I think in the end we spent definitely over $50,000.
	It may have gone up to It may have gone up to 90, because what happened is they did a clinical trial, and it was the classic con, like, oh, you've got this kind of stats.
	If you just pay us a little more and extend the study a little longer, we'll really prove that this works.
	We'll get even better numbers, because it'll take longer with the subjects.
	And all the warning signs were there.
	It was just like we were getting so scammed.
	But I was just too young and naive to actually see it.
	I'll say that straight up.
	I mean, we never visit them in the right office.
	We spoke with the owner directly, and it was in the weirdest circumstance.
	Then you asked me, hey, just call them up and ask them for proof that if you get anything but stonewalled that this actually happened, You know where you stand.
	And so we called them up and wrote emails.
	And not only did we get stonewalled, we got violently stonewalled.
	This kind of response of just calling us idiots and fools.
	And they're like, ah.
	So what do we do now?
	Do we go to war and see these people?
	It was a total disaster.
	By that time we had already published a study on our website.
	We thought we were so cool and cheap.
	We're like, yeah, we're getting studies out there.
	We can be globally recognized.
	Yeah, I remember some people who were in the AudioClarity camp were attacking me and saying, this company has a clinical trial.
	It's proof.
	You know, it's proof.
	And, of course, they hadn't looked at the trial or didn't know how to analyze it and what it was.
	Remember, I think I wrote 15 or 20 questions for you to ask the clinical trial company, something like that.
	Questions like, what instrument are you using for the elemental analysis?
	We're just like, hey, can you maybe show us anything?
	Like, any records at all?
	Oh, those records are deep in an underground computer somewhere where we can't access them.
	It's going to take us six months to get them.
	Really?
	It's crazy what's out there.
	What I learned from that, and what I'm learning now in my approach to this, is Anybody in this world, and you know this, the FDA is corrupt, the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt.
	What do clinical trials even mean?
	They're all freaking fake anyway.
	This company is the company that all these other corrupt companies would use.
	They're just like, hey, we've got a clinical trial.
	You make a really good point.
	The pharmaceutical industry also fakes clinical trials.
	The thing is, their fakery is a lot more sophisticated.
	They produce fake data sets, and they have fake documentation.
	But I think the company that you guys went with, that you got scammed by, I don't even remember the name, but I seem to recall that they did...
	They analyze the heavy metal levels in blood plasma by using muscle testing, if I recall.
	Great thing for your holistic dentist to use for biocompatibility, but not for blood tests.
	But I have a mass spec instrument, and I tell you what, muscle testing is not a quantitative analysis method, right?
	So I'm glad that you saw that.
	I'm glad that the red flags went off.
	What was going through your mind at that point?
	I mean, what was your plan at that time?
	Because we didn't talk for quite a while after that.
	Well, at that time, fortunately, some really intense personal difficulties, which I wouldn't get into here, started in my life.
	And I started really backing away from the company, not because of this stuff, but it just, there's a lot of things in my life that were just overwhelming.
	And it just kind of faded out of the thing.
	And slowly, my partner in Water Liberty kind of sped apart.
	I didn't want to do it.
	He didn't really want to do the business.
	And, yeah, I just got out of Water Liberty about a year and a half ago.
	Yeah, it was almost a year and a half Nagona that I stepped out.
	I just left this trail behind.
	In that year and a half, I've been doing a lot of work personally and on my company, completely changing the focus of my life, but this is still trailing behind and I'm coming at this from this new consciousness.
	And to finish my thought, what I learned from all this is that anybody can stand on the top of the tower and say, I've got the solution for Parkinson's, I've got the solution for water, I've got the solution that will help you heal this.
	And that guy can always be argued with because that's just...
	That could be a corporation that's misleading and formulating facts, or that could be just a random guy trying to start up a company online selling some nice supplement that could work.
	But you can always argue with that.
	You can always argue with someone who's making claims.
	But I think what I'm coming to understand now is nobody can really argue with a public investigation.
	And that's very much what you've been leading to, I think, with natural news, is really bringing truth to the...
	To the public.
	And that's where I'm coming with this now.
	It's like even though I'm not involved with AdiClarity and Water Liberty, I'm still kind of standing here in the middle of thinking, gosh, here's what I know and what I've seen.
	Water Liberty, we had over 20,000 clients who were very, very happy.
	We've had some incredible success cases of people's help just turning around with the product.
	I know for a fact that many of the claims just were unsubstantiated and not true.
	Like, just we can't say that because we have a clinical trial.
	And even that clinical trial is like, okay, well, we can't really prove that it's fake.
	We can't prove that it's real.
	But okay, we know that it's not real in our hearts and our minds.
	And what I would like to end this interview with, or perhaps open a discussion to, is where do we go from here?
	And what should the people who are currently using the product be thinking about it and about their own health right now?
	I personally, and I know you and Mike will probably agree to disagree here.
	I love the product.
	I do believe that it does these things to the body.
	I've seen a lot of The proof that I needed to see in my own body, in my own family, and the people we shared it with.
	But I don't believe that it was marketed responsibly.
	I think there could have been a much more level-headed approach to doing these things.
	And in hindsight, we looked at what it would have actually cost to do a real clinical study.
	If we didn't rush the process, it would have been less than what we paid.
	You could have gotten the real clinical study.
	It costs about $7,000 to $10,000 per person.
	And you can do it in Canada.
	In Toronto, I believe, there's a company that we found in other places in the world as well.
	So, yeah.
	Well, I really value the introspection that you're bringing to the table here.
	And I... I do agree that the product as it exists today can function as part of an external water filtration system.
	There's no question in my mind that it works in that way as a flocculent.
	But, you know, in my opinion, it's a wildly overpriced flocculent, because you can buy them on Amazon.com for...
	So that's one thing.
	And with respect, I want to mention this for all of our benefit, that your company could have sold literally a placebo and you would receive enormous numbers of testimonials of people having amazing results. that your company could have sold literally a placebo and And you would receive enormous numbers of testimonials of people having amazing results.
	The placebo effect is very, very powerful.
	It may in fact be the most powerful phenomenon in modern medicine.
	If you look at the published clinical trials, Placebo has proven itself to be effective in about one-third of the cases of everything.
	They use placebo on heart patients, and diabetes patients, and cancer patients, and depression patients, because Big Pharma is always using placebo in contrast to their drugs, and they have to show that their drugs work better than placebo.
	And this is a little bit of a tangent, but you'll find it fascinating, Casper, that A lot of people don't believe in placebo and they believe that medicine has to be toxic in order to work.
	And what they found in a lot of clinical trials involving antidepressants or psychiatric drugs is that half the group is getting the placebo and the other half is getting the actual drug, which is usually fluorine-based.
	They always have fluorine elements in the drug.
	When that group getting the real drug starts to feel toxic side effects, they convince themselves that they have the real drug, and then they kick in their own psychological placebo effect to make the drug work better.
	And so the drug is more toxic than the placebo, but it works better than placebo because people have been trained that side effects mean they got the real drug.
	Isn't that fascinating?
	Yeah, it is.
	In fact, the very word pharmaco, first of all, means poison makers.
	I've learned that just last year.
	And this can be true with a pharmaceutical.
	This can be true with a vaccine.
	This can be true with a dietary supplement.
	This can be true with a mind medicine technique, you know, like a meditation or what do they call that?
	the tapping technique, emotional freedom technique, anything will produce some level of testimonials that people say it's amazing.
	So we've got to keep that in mind all the time.
	If we're going to be responsible marketers of dietary products or herbal products or even information products, some people are going to have just amazing results just as a matter of course.
	You know, a good friend of mine said once to me, something that stuck for me till this day, that truth is spherical.
	So it depends on wherever point you're looking at it from.
	And truth changes depending on the level of consciousness that's looking at it.
	So a marketer from, you know, let's say from a normal point of view of cause and effect of reality will say, yeah, this does this.
	But then as you rise in the levels of consciousness, of course you come to the understanding that there's really nothing here except consciousness.
	And that's really the ultimate healing tool, the ultimate manifestation tool.
	I fully agree with you there.
	The placebo effect is absolutely huge.
	I've seen where I'm coming to and my understanding right now where I want to lead my company and my team is to really exploring consciousness as a healing tool.
	Over this past year, I had a tremendous trauma with a good friend of mine who was shot with a shotgun and nearly died and ended up getting MRSA, an infection in his elbow.
	The doctor said, we've got to cut your arm up, we've got to cut your arm up.
	We essentially got to the point where the infection stopped spreading, and that's using everything, including the best things that we had available, and we have the top, top stuff available in terms of oxidation therapy.
	We flew him to Columbia, we had oxidation just moving through his blood, all kinds of stuff, and that really, really helped.
	But it wasn't until we actually saw an expert In mental healing, in changing core beliefs around, okay, what does this infection actually mean in your being?
	And then, within two weeks, the infection disappeared.
	And it was just like, holy cow!
	It's all consciousness.
	It's all mind.
	Everything that you experience out here, thoughts creates reality.
	Thought creates reality.
	Well, at a level, I very much understand what you're saying there, but I do want to go back to something.
	I agree that consciousness, expansion of consciousness, is really the course of ultimate healing and ultimate progress for humanity.
	There's no question about that, including recognizing the consciousness of animals, other conscious beings, other living beings, including trees.
	Trees are conscious beings.
	Plants are conscious as well.
	You and I could probably have a fascinating discussion just about consciousness.
	However, we have to remember, and this is where the science side of me kicks in, sort of the materialistic science side, that we exist as non-material conscious beings, but we're inhabiting material physical biological bodies.
	And so we have to take care of both parts of that existence.
	And here's a great example of where I challenge other people about this.
	I will see sometimes I might be out having a lunch with people who are into natural healing and they might order shrimp, let's say, for their lunch, a shrimp dish or something.
	And sometimes they'll ask me a question like, what kind of, are shrimp clean or am I going to find heavy metals in shrimp?
	Or maybe they're having fish like red snapper or tuna or whatever.
	And I'll tell them, no, normally something out of the ocean, you're going to have high mercury.
	You're going to have arsenic and mercury.
	Those are the two big metals that you get.
	And sometimes they will tell me, they'll put their hands over their food and they'll say, no worries, I'm going to pray over this food.
	I'm going to have positive intention and I'm going to nullify the mercury.
	And I tell them, that doesn't work.
	I tell them, you can have all the prayer you want, buddy, but you're still eating mercury.
	So you need to be smart about what you're putting in your body at the same time that you're having consciousness.
	And it doesn't mean that prayer can't in some way enhance the mind-body interaction of nutrients, but you can't pray your way out of eating poison.
	And Here's something that I haven't shared publicly yet.
	I'll share it with you first and for those listening.
	We are about to expose an Indian guru.
	This is a guy from India.
	And he runs around the United States having seminars that's about consciousness healing.
	And he prescribes these custom-made pills to people who pay him sometimes $800 or $1,000 for these pills.
	Well, we had a reader of ours who was taking these pills, and every time she took them, she would vomit, and she was getting sick.
	She sent us her pills, and we ran them on the ICP-MS and did an elemental analysis.
	We were absolutely stunned, shocked that...
	I don't even know how I can explain this.
	The mercury that we found in these pills was so off the charts, we had to recalibrate our instrument just to be able to detect it.
	I'm talking about 1,200 parts per million mercury.
	That is dangerous, deadly, toxic stuff.
	And no one knows about it.
	We're going to expose this, and we're going to call for criminal investigations when this happens.
	This is the most extreme case I've ever seen.
	And it's by a guy who preaches consciousness.
	Oh, and by the way, we got a copy of the email that he sent to his customer.
	And his philosophy, get this, his philosophy is that poison cures poison.
	So it's sort of like, you know how homeopathy at the non-material level, just the energetic level, you can have the energy of a toxin that will sort of cause an adaptive response in the human body, and that can actually be very healing.
	This guy thinks you should eat mercury.
	To heal from Mercury.
	And he's doing it at an insane level.
	So that's out there, and, you know, we all have to be very, very cautious about those kinds of, you know, warped philosophies that will, you know, they will invoke the words of consciousness, but they're actually poisoning you.
	I agree.
	To go back to it, everything changes depending on the level of consciousness that's looking at it.
	I feel there's tons of people running around thinking that they're conscious or they're putting consciousness on their food or on their healing.
	But what it really means to you as an individual is what it means to you as an individual.
	You're always going to see the effects from what you're doing out in the field that's manifesting for you.
	You believe your brain for your shrimp, but then your mercury toxicity goes up.
	It's like, hey, I like to say, you know, it's time to get a reality check with what's really happening.
	And there's a lot of these reality checks happening out there right now, especially these days, as we're seeing that, you know, the reality that we've been believing in as we think it is, is about to burst, especially with what's happening right now in the world.
	And when that burst, or up until that burst, a lot of people have resistance and they like to just Because the ego hates to be wrong, but when it does, you either grow or you kind of implode, or one or the other, but it always leads to an expanded perspective.
	With that said, I definitely don't believe that it's all mind over matter.
	It's the golden middle path.
	Like you said, yes, we are consciousness inhabiting a material body, so to speak.
	And that body has things that it needs.
	You can talk about consciousness all day long to somebody eating Burger King day and night and breakfast, but they're not going to get it.
	It's like, I can just pray for my burger.
	No.
	Right, right.
	No, or, you know, throughout history of the world, there may have been actual divine beings, right?
	Jesus Christ or Buddha or whoever.
	And there may have been, you know, a handful of truly divine beings who could turn water into wine or part the water or whatever.
	If you can work those kinds of miracles, yeah, you can probably turn your shrimp into, like, clean shrimp.
	But if you can't walk on water, you know, you might want to pay attention to what you're eating.
	That's my advice to people.
	And, because I haven't met anybody who can levitate.
	I don't know about you, but I haven't met anybody who can actually physically levitate.
	I've seen a lot of people fake it.
	I've seen a lot of people talk about how they can fly in their astral bodies and they can teleport and everything in their astral bodies, which is not your physical body doing that.
	that, but I've never seen somebody who could take mercury and turn it into zinc.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like if, if you show me that person, I have a business model for that person.
	It's called, it's called making gold.
	And, and, uh, we'll go half, half on that deal.
	If you find anybody that can make gold, uh, I will show, I will, I will give them a revenue model for a lifetime abundance.
	How, how's that sound?
	Oh, well, yeah, let me ask you this, Casper.
	You've got a lot.
	You've got a big heart.
	You've got a lot of compassion and love for humanity.
	You have an open mind.
	You told me before you're interested in over-unity energy systems.
	You're looking at the big solutions for humanity, which I share that property with you.
	I want to look at the big solutions, and I don't want to be stuck in the past.
	Can you talk about some of the things that perhaps you're involved with, or you're looking toward, or maybe sort of what's on your mind about how to help humanity move forward?
	Sure, thank you.
	I'll speak about that briefly, sure.
	Well, we talked about this in private, but actually the main reason why I got involved in business in the first place was because I started researching as a young man in my 19, 20s about free energy.
	And I researched a heck of a lot and I found out, holy cow, you know, the solutions to the greatest problems on Earth, they're already out there.
	They've been invented by Tesla, Nikolai Tesla, and the early Thomas Murray experiments and John Searle, all kinds of things.
	I thought, well, naively, I thought, well, why are we making these?
	People just don't know about it or something?
	Like, we just need a couple million dollars to make these machines and we'll get them out there.
	I got really fascinated.
	It became my sole purpose for a long time to make a lot of money so I could invest in these things and so we could produce them and get them out to the world.
	And one of them being serromagnetics.
	I don't know how many people on this call are familiar with the John Serral story.
	It's a fascinating story.
	This man in the 60s invented a machine that not only created an abundance of energy, turning consciousness into energy.
	It's a fascinating process.
	But they also flew, because anytime you get over unity and free energy, you usually get gravity inversion.
	These phenomenons go hand in hand.
	And so he built this way to control the gravity of these machines.
	And I won't get into the whole story.
	It's fascinating.
	You should see it.
	But we started funding this machine, and the company is still operating in San Diego.
	In California.
	It's chugging along, but it took us a long time.
	My mission for a very long time was very fascinating with that aspect of life, of trying to change the world.
	These days, I'm really stepping back out of that.
	I'm really much more focused on health and consciousness.
	For the sole purpose, at one point when I was funding this company, a good friend of mine, a very successful friend, He came up to me and said, you know, if you keep doing this, going about it the way that you are, you're going to get a bullet in your head.
	You're talking about the free energy stuff?
	Yeah, and I thought, you know, I know that because I know it's suppressed and people die over it.
	And I was, again, coming at it from this kind of martyr attitude of like, we're going to do this, we're going to build this thing, we're going to get out there.
	Looking back in hindsight, he was absolutely right.
	There's a right and wrong way of doing these things.
	Back then, we were going about it the wrong way.
	I backed out of it, not out of a fear, but just out of a feeling, you know what?
	Just humanity isn't ready.
	I totally agree.
	When the consciousness of humanity is ready for these things, they will just appear.
	It will be time to get it out there.
	Go ahead.
	I've had parallel thoughts to that, that consciousness is really the answer, because once we expand our consciousness, which means awareness, understanding, knowledge, wisdom, all of these things, respect for life, then only then would we be ready for, let's say, a free energy type of technology.
	If you think about today, mankind's consciousness is all about short-term greed and selfish gain.
	And humanity has not found a way to live in harmony with the planet that we have inherited, right?
	And so if free energy existed, we would destroy the world with it.
	We would pave every rainforest.
	Imagine if you could run a bulldozer with a free energy power center inside and it didn't cost money for the fuel.
	food would be almost virtually free because the main cost of food is fuel.
	The humanity's population would explode.
	We would, we would vastly overpopulate the planet.
	We would kill all of nature.
	We would commit suicide on a massive scale with the consciousness right now, if we had free energy.
	So I, even I don't believe that humanity is ready for free energy.
	I do think humanity is ready for disclosure, by the way.
	And we may be getting off topic with that, but I think we've at least reached the level of understanding where we can now say, we're not alone in this cosmos.
	There's probably other intelligent civilizations that are millions of years more advanced than we are.
	What do you think about that topic?
	I think it is ready for disclosure.
	I think it's going to happen within this decade.
	And I think it's going to be a wild ride.
	And with that, it's going to come free energy.
	And it'll be interesting to see how we integrate it.
	I think you're right on a few things there.
	At least I think we're not ready for free energy.
	And at the same time, I really hope that we are very soon.
	And it's like, what comes first, the chicken or the egg?
	Because, yes, the free energy, like, yeah, in the hands of some trucker in the Amazon, just going on the trees.
	Probably not a good idea, but in the right hands of the right people.
	And it's a disruptive technology.
	So it changes everything.
	It's like, well, do we even need to kill trees if we've got this thing?
	What if we could just power some crazy biodome that grows hemp at an alarming rate and we could just use that for our furniture or for our paper?
	So it changes everything.
	It's a complete disruptor.
	And it's not just a disruptor like this.
	It's just turning everything upside down and the cabal and the...
	The powers that are now disappearing out of this planet are terrified of that.
	To answer your question, my key passion right now is health for the sole purpose because I think consciousness does come first if we want to change the planet.
	We come back to the Burger King metaphor, the average person is just...
	Not healthy, who's overweight, who is just full of fungus in their body, their gut is leaking, they've got toxins in their blood, they're fluoridated.
	You see these people everywhere.
	They're not in that level where they can hold this level of consciousness that's necessary for us to go to the next level.
	And I think the next first step is to help people get healthy.
	Absolutely.
	Here's a way I like to describe it to people.
	You know, the brain, the physical brain, is the interface.
	It's the hardware interface between the mind, the non-physical mind, that is consciousness, and the physical body.
	So the brain is the interface.
	And the brain itself, if you think about it, it's powered by what's in your blood, and your blood is made by what you're eating and drinking.
	So, if you damage your brain from, you know, antidepressant drugs, let's say, or mercury from too many vaccine shots, and it can be drug abuse, right?
	Like recreational drug abuse, heroin, whatever.
	If you damage your brain, then you block the ability of your consciousness to be fully expressed through your physical body as you have it now on this planet in this three-dimensional world.
	And so a person can have the greatest intentions or consciousness, but if they don't take care of the physical organ through which that consciousness is expressed, they can still run into problems.
	Like, you know, people who have a stroke, for example.
	The hardware of their brain, a part of it, is disabled.
	They can't speak.
	Like they can't form words very well, let's say.
	But they're not stupid.
	They haven't lost any intelligence.
	They haven't lost any consciousness.
	They just can't express...
	Their intentions now through the complex neurology of speech, because that part of their brain has been damaged.
	And so when we eat toxic food every day, we are damaging the organ that interfaces with our mind, our consciousness.
	Does that metaphor make sense?
	Absolutely.
	This is where it's at.
	We all want to see a better world, and we all want to See the whole humanity wake up and It's easy to just sit there and feel enlightened and everything because you're eating green smoothies and taking the right supplements that might be helping.
	But you look around, there's so many people who are struggling and some of them can't afford these foods or these things.
	They're eating toast for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
	You talk to them about consciousness, about changing the planet and free energy, they're not going to care.
	They're busy just...
	Yeah, Mr.
	Pop-Tart there.
	He's living on Pop-Tarts and you're going to talk to him about solving the world's problems?
	I don't think so.
	I'm deeply passionate about helping those people and going even further.
	This is some of the work that we've been doing with my team over the past year, making documentaries about solutions that could really make a difference out there.
	That's what I feel my whole life's been about, is finding solutions that could drastically change the world at a large rate and actually getting them out to people.
	I've learned recently, I read a fantastic book that really sparked me last year to really take the path I did with leaving Water Liberty.
	I've just mentioned it once, the documentary we shot called Quantum Leap.IS on MMS. This book sparked it in me.
	It was called Switch, How to Change When Change is Hard.
	It's a fascinating book.
	It's by the Dan Heath brothers.
	They basically go through case studies all around the world looking at places that need to change, organizational change or national change, even looking at Gandhi as an example.
	Here's the summary of this book.
	It's like, change is so much easier than you think.
	We think that big change requires big solutions.
	Normally you look at the ocean and how do we get all this plastic out of there?
	We've got to spend trillions of dollars.
	It's impossible.
	We need aliens to come in.
	But you know what?
	A 19-year-old kid recently found out how to clean up the whole Pacific, and they're doing it now.
	They get funded.
	They're cleaning up.
	It's called the Big Ocean Project or something like that.
	They're doing it.
	He found a simple way to do it.
	In the case of liberating India from British rule, one guy just said, you know what?
	Today it starts.
	We're going to go make our own salt, and that's just how it starts.
	You just need emotional motivation.
	You need the right rationale, the right tool, and then you've got to just give people an easy map, an easy how to do it.
	It's got to be simple.
	And if you do that, you can make it happen.
	Well said.
	Well said.
	Casper, I want to thank you.
	Just on a very personal level, I just want to thank you for reaching out to me and having the courage to walk this path and have this discussion and share this publicly.
	It's really to your credit.
	I really look forward to the things that you're going to be working on or the things you're doing now or in the near future.
	So I want to thank you and invite you to share.
	Is there a website or something or a Facebook page or whatever where people can find some of your work?
	Sure, we can post it below.
	My website is kasterpostowski.com and I also highly recommend watching our latest movie, quantumleap.is.
	You can post that there below.
	And Mike, thank you so much again.
	It's been a real pleasure connecting with you.
	And I had an intuition we would connect this way.
	I'm looking forward to us really paving the road ahead together and then working on some projects that can truly help people.
	Well, I really appreciate the opportunity and I want to invite you also to watch what I'm doing.
	If you see me ever doing something that doesn't make sense, let me know.
	And I'll let you know as well if I see something that I have questions about.
	But what's great about this is that we're talking, we can have these conversations, and we have so much in common about the big, big picture.
	And this is the way we solve the world's problems, right?
	We move forward, we communicate, we open ourselves to the willingness to maybe learn something new or have a different view than what we had.
	And I think it's that kind of...
	That kind of attitude that you're really demonstrating that is very healing and very important for us all.
	And I hope that if I ever make a big error that I'm willing to have the self introspection to see that error and correct it and be transparent and open with people in the way that you have.
	So it's really to your credit.
	I just want to thank you.
	Thank you, Mike.

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