Leo Zagami and Colin Rivers dissect the new book "The Rise and Fall of Frankie Munsta," alleging Jeffrey Epstein was a Sabbatean Frankist "mad scientist" conducting DNA experiments. Zagami claims the Star of David is an encoded symbol for Jacob Frank, linking B'nai B'rith, Karl Marx, and Zionism to this movement while asserting the menorah represents true Judaism. Rivers challenges these historical assertions regarding Rome and unified Jewish DNA, yet the discussion concludes that these conspiracy theories frame modern power structures as ancient, secret continuations of Frankist ideology. [Automatically generated summary]
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Leo Zagami Joins The Show00:03:08
Okay, people, one, two, three, check, check.
We are back.
We are live right now.
Incredible.
And that's me.
Yeah, Colin Rivers and the Colin Rivers Show.
Yeah, I got a bit cleaner.
I'm more beautiful.
You guys and girls.
We are on carnivore diet now, a full carnivore diet.
And we have Leo Zagami in a few moments talking about the rise and fall of a Frankie Munsta, exposing Jeffy at times.
And the most powerful Jewish tech in the world.
This is gonna be an amazing show.
You're gonna learn a lot with our friend Leo Zagami.
So don't go away.
Don't go away, people.
Yeah, and please to meet you, everyone that you're doing in the show, the Alex Jones Show, or the Leo Zagami Show.
And the recent poet Jeffrey Epstein and his associate Giseline Maxwell, you know, what was between the skies.
Giseline's father was already a very renowned.
Uh, laws in the UK, and they've been talked about in every way possible in the last three years.
But this is the first time, historically speaking, socio-politically speaking, and religiously speaking, about the ancestry, the key players of this whole network, and where do they come from, and the Abrahamic religions and the Canadian movement of these students and Judaism.
And for that, we have on the other side.
Of the ocean, our friend, the great Leo Zagami.
Thank you for the introduction.
It's always a pleasure.
It's always a pleasure.
So, thank you for having me on today.
Of course, we are going to be discussing a new book.
I hope that we can maybe in the future discuss it also with our friend Rafa Pab, because I think that we will have some.
Adding to the presentation.
Rafa Palmarch, because he said his English was not up to the standards of Alex Jones' show and Leo Zagami's show.
I said, in Color Raven's show, we can even translate, it's no problem.
We had before this, and remember, you know, at the beginning, everyone, even you, I mean, you're now like Americans, so you almost talk like an American.
You have an American wife.
So we will have.
I still sound very much European, though, in Max, and they tell me that.
I like your background with the Rio to Rio.
It reminds me of my good old days as a record.
Producer, the record producer of the Vaticanus, the Vaticanus Maximus.
Absolutely, absolutely.
So, like you said, today we have a new book.
This is a new book.
Uh, thank you, sign on Amazon.com, and it is about a totally unique and different perspective of the Epstein case.
Decoding The Book Cover00:02:53
In fact, this book is already number one in the history of Judaism, Jewish history, espionage through accounts.
It's really, I must say, it's being well received by both the academic world and also by journalists who have contacted me and told me this is a unique perspective, original, because we are not really analyzing, you know, I mean, what could I add to the thousands of articles or books that have already been published out there?
And this is a different, listen, listen, show me the cover again, because I'm going to ask you something very important that you know about this cover.
It's very important because this cover shows Frankenstein and has Robert Johnson and has nothing to do with blues.
In Masonic terms, according to Joseph Frank, according to the writer or writress, because she wrote, Mary Shelley.
Mary Shelley was married to another guy from England that was actually an anarchist.
It's very interesting, the whole story.
But the story behind the name, The encoding, the encrypted word Frankenstein.
It means something.
It means something, actually.
Nobody knows this.
It's Frankenstein.
What does Frankenstein mean?
If you want, I can give you a brief description of what, of course, you can also find in my book.
But this description is also thanks to the work of the late Rabbi Antelman, who described the word Frank as standing for Jacob Frank.
Founder of the Frankists, of course.
The Ain, the N is an English, let's say it's the abbreviation of the three letter Hebrew word Ain, that means I in Hebrew, and the E resembles the first letter, and N is for the last, and Stein is in German means stone.
So it's really symbolic of the old seeing I and the connection with the Illuminati because Frank.
Plus, I plus stone, and here we have the Sabbatean Frankist monster.
The eye on the stone, Frank Einstein.
Yes, yes, it's like Palestine, it's like the phallus of the stone.
Palestine, Palestine, yeah.
Well, Epstein, you know, when you have either man or Stein, Ein, you know, these are, of course, words connected to the Jewish community because their surnames are connected inevitably.
Frankenstein And The Golem Myth00:15:06
To their alphabet and to the Kabbalistic interpretation, because as you know, they are very much into Gematria, the notaricon, the interpretation of the letters and of the numbers.
The Sabbathian Frankish Therese, which we have discussed also with you in the past, starts really as an inspiration from the Lurianic Kabbalah, from Isaac Luria, who was himself a great Kabbalist, who will end up not only inspiring.
The unfortunate heresy of Shabbatai Zevi, but also later on, the prevalently Ashkenazi, Hasidic, Orthodox Jews who are nowadays very much present.
When you're showing Frankenstein, you're showing, of course, the monster which we never really know the real name of because we know the name Dr. Frankenstein.
By the way, Dr. Frankenstein, the creator of Frankenstein in Mary Shelley's novel, goes to the University of Ingolstadt, the University of the Illuminati.
So there is allegory, some symbology around this whole thing.
So he's the Doctor of the Illuminati.
Frankenstein, let's make it clear, is the Doctor of the Illuminati from Ingolstadt in Gotha, in the.
Well, I mean, like you know, in my past book, Volume 12, I talk about all the connections Ignazio Loyola sent there.
The first Jesuits to fight the Reformation, and it became a very important center for the Jesuits, and of course, the university that saw the establishment of the Order of the Illuminati.
So, the Order of the Illuminati are a little bit like the Frankenstein monster of Freemasonry.
I mean, it came from this milieu of Freemasons, there was a secret society that went completely out of control, that was created artificially in a way.
By adding bits and pieces by both Adam Bishop and Adolf Knig.
And so there is a symbology there, but there is also much more when it comes down to Frankenstein, because in fact, in my book, I focus very much on the connections that bring us from the Kabbalah to the connection of the Golem, because Frankenstein is inspired by this mythological creature from Jewish folklore, typically an automaton made of clay.
Brought to life by these magical formulas of the Kabbalah to serve and protect its creator, but also to defend the Jewish community.
The most famous story is, of course, the Golem of Prague, created by Rabbi Judah Loeb Ben Bezabel, who was himself this very eminent Rabbi, very important Rabbi.
So, Mary Shelley is.
Because you're going to very fast, and some people they can follow you because you are on the advanced level on this hyper mega turbo.
Advanced level, and some people they're watching this, they're basic.
Now, I want to get into this because they just read some of your books.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, if somebody new is watching this and starts like questioning the reality, they just woke up and they just received like a bang or something.
They are like, What are they talking about?
We're talking about a golem and automaton, like a robot, like something can be made, uh, like the IA.
I'm putting an image here that you can transfer on the screen.
This is an image, a classic portrait of the creation of the golem, who, as you can see from this portrait, is created,
is an illustration of the golem, which is, of course, with the letters of the Jewish alphabet and manifests through the magical will of the rabbi.
So the golem.
Are really very important in our story because Jeffrey Epson is not only a pervert and a pedophilia maniac guy who, of course, set up a human trafficking ring of minors dedicated mostly for the blackmail of the people involved.
Jeffrey Epson is also a mad scientist of sorts.
Is in that side of Jeffrey Epson very important in my book because Jeffrey Epson is the one behind the creation of Sophia the robot, which is a little bit like an automata.
You were talking about the golem, in fact, but also we can talk about Frankenstein.
And we should talk about then at that point the fact that Jeffrey Epson wanted to inseminate with his DNA half of the planet.
And he wanted to do it also with these experiments that were conducted in the underground tunnels placed under his residence in New Mexico, as well as the one in the island, the Little St. James Island.
Which also sees on the top this temple, which I described is basically a temple that Epstein constructed based on a temple in Aleppo, which is not a temple, it's actually a bathhouse, but was a very popular meeting ground for the Sabbatean Frankists.
So I think that it's very important this link with Frankenstein, because Frankenstein, both as the monster.
And as the doctor who goes and creates him, but then, of course, this monster gets out of control.
This monster that, in a way, was Jeffrey Epstein, when he gets out of control, the system brings him down.
And who is behind Jeffrey Epstein?
Now, my book is the only book, and in fact, that's why it's having a great success and it's number one in all these charts, because it's the only book in the world that talks about the background of the people who actually.
Constructed out of thin air, the Jeffrey Epstein phenomenon, because Jeffrey Epstein wasn't himself the guy responsible for suddenly having a big building in the center of New York or a private island or this and that.
There were people behind him who aided and abated his rise.
And those people, as I explained, they were all part of the Sabbatian Franke sect.
And in fact, in the early 90s, In and the fire, you will see the fire there.
We see the fire during the movie is Prometheus, some kind of yeah, because that is not only Epstein and Giseline Maxwell they bring about like Prometheus, yes, because the name of Frankenstein, let's never forget that.
That you know, the original name is the modern Prometheus, as well as Frankenstein, these are the two titles that Mary Shelley gave to this, and the husband of Mary Shelley.
Was somebody who apparently was himself involved in the Illuminati and in secret society, so he had the kind of a vast knowledge of sorts.
This novel came out, this gothic novel, in 1818, just a few years after the death of Jacob Frank.
Of course, it's also inspired by the Frankenstein Castle, which exists, which is a castle overlooking the city of Darmstadt in Germany, which was also an inspiration.
Because in this castle, apparently, there was a series of alchemical experiments that had been conducted.
Now, Frankenstein is a German name consisting of two words the Franks are Germanic tribe and stain, like we said, the stone.
But that is the official meaning that today the historians want to give.
When instead, thanks to Rabbi Antelman, thanks to other Jewish historians, we arrive to the fact that Frank instead is not only the Franks, meaning the original.
Group of Germanic people living near the Rhine River, but also the Sabbatean Frankists.
Let's not forget that the Ashkenazi were also very much present in the Lib near the Rhine River.
And let's also not forget that there is a lot of confusion about, like we said in the past, the Khazarian, the Ashkenazis, and an hypothetical plot.
In my book, I show that the Ashkenazis were actually the first ones to actually fight the Sabbatean heresy, and they did it with their most eminent rabbis.
While instead, there are rabbis who I expose in my book who still today the Jewish community somehow wants to protect.
So here we have the inspiration for Mary Shelley.
Mary Shelley, who of course then marries and becomes also very much close to Lord Byron, to John Polidori that you're showing.
But of course, Percy Shelley, we don't have to forget that he also had written a very important book.
Which in some way is connected to all this because he is this romantic poet that we all talk about, but he had also written about the wandering Jew.
The wandering Jew is another important theme that is touched by Shelley.
And it is actually The Wandering Jew, a poem which apparently inspired also Mary Shelley, though it wasn't published until much later on.
The Wandering Jew, let's not forget, is a very important figure that somehow can be analyzed also through the lens of.
Our interpretation because, um, in our analysis, we have Mary Shelley who puts together Frankenstein, but then we have the husband who puts together something that has to do with a very important one.
Because we have the Wandering Jew, and we have the Wandering Jews, of course.
What is the Wandering Jew?
The Wandering Jew is in the original legend a mythical, immortal man who, in the original legend, Jesus basically on the way to the crucifixion cursed so he would walk the earth until the second coming.
Then we have of course the fact that the wandering Jews become also later on another book which instead talks about the fact that the Jews never really had a land of their own.
And in my book, I explain how the Sabbatean Frankists really are very much entrenched with the culture, the basis of the very foundation of the land of Israel.
So, the Zionist element that Theodor Herzl formalizes with the creation of a movement, but Theodor Herzl himself talks about Shabbatai Sevi in one of his most important novels.
Which, by the way, also inspired the name of the city of Tel Aviv.
So, we have a lot, of course, to discuss, but the Frankenstein novel is an allegory fueled with symbolism, fueled with symbolism that are both connected to the history, of course, of the Jews as well as the Illuminati.
Let's not forget in my book, I explain how the Sabbatian Frankists created their own branch of the Illuminati, the Asiatic Brethren.
Let's not forget that Frankfurt.
Became this very important city for the future banking cartel of the planet.
And that is the city in which Jacob Frank arrived, received like some kind of a hero or god, because he was recognized as the Messiah by his followers.
Offenbach am Main in Germany is the place in which he then.
Took base, but it is the city of Frankfurt, a very important city for families like the Rothschild, but many other families.
In fact, I explain in my book very much in detail who these families are.
And so we go really very deep here.
People who are watching will have to read the 300 pages of this book to understand to the fullest what I'm saying.
I'm only scratching the surface here, as you can imagine.
But we are in front of a phenomenon which is not very much discussed outside of the Jewish world.
For 40 years, actually, Jacob Frank led his followers, often changing his teachings and the purpose of the messianic mission.
For example, at the beginning, like I explain in my book, he didn't want his followers to marry anybody other than themselves.
So he restricted the whole Thing.
Then he saw that the rabbinical authorities who had them arrested for 13 years, as well as the Inquisition, were on his case.
And so at that point, he gives permission to marry outside of their faith.
Jewish Enlightenment Roots00:14:22
And what do they do?
They, of course, had converted to the Catholic faith.
So they devise an idea which is very important, I think, in our story.
And the idea is that.
He will, when you convert the Catholic faith and you are a Jew, and he got 20,000 Jews to convert to the Catholic faith, you will embrace the surname of your godfather.
And in that way, you could infiltrate and take over the surnames of many important Catholic, noble, aristocratic, even royal families around Europe.
And so.
This is really the monstrosity of it.
That, of course, we have Bishop who creates the Illuminati.
As you know, the Illuminati were short lived with that name, but then after they took over a series of other names.
One of the people, though, who was involved with this whole thing was that because also when it comes down to Jacob Frank and what happened, he Rented the castle of the Princess of Ethenburg in Oppenbach.
And at that point, the biggest Jewish Aries Ark, which claimed to be the reincarnation of Shabbatai Zevi, to Baruchia Russo, which claimed to be himself also the reincarnation of Shabbatai Zevi, he had brought the Sabbatean heresy to a next level.
The next level, of course, here you're showing also the Faust, a very important element.
If we saw, if we also count in this story, Goethe, who becomes a member of the Illuminati and all that.
But when it comes to Jacob Frank, he had a relative, a relative who was Moses Dubruzka.
His mother was the first cousin of Jacob Frank.
He founded a, well, he basically entered a Masonic lodge known as the Knights of St. John the Evangelist for Asia in Europe, which is the Asiatic Brethren.
And then this group will become very much inspirational, even for people like Shelley, even for people like Alistair Crowley, because Alistair Crowley, for example, joins the Ordo Tempi Orientis, which itself in the foundation documents claims to be inspired by the Asiatic Brethren.
But where are these Asiatic Brethren?
Well, basically the first attempt to introduce a Jewish element within Freemasonry in places like Germany, which, as you are showing, were bastions of alcohol.
But also of the Jesuits, of Catholicism, as well as Protestantism, and didn't necessarily want to let the Jews inside their lodges of Freemasonry.
So there was this, for the first time, with Moses Dobruska, this guy who changed his name many times.
We don't really have an image of Moses Dobruska, but he was a mysterious character.
He went by many names.
One of his names was Junius Frey.
As Junius Frey, he will eventually end up accused of espionage.
And executed by the guillotine in France during the revolution, and that happened also on behalf of the Illuminati.
So, I want to ask you a question here because 1931 we have a film, and this is related to your argument and narrative.
And Bela Lugosi wears these, we were seeing there, he wears this amulet, this medallion, and the connection between Bela Lugosi and the Star of David stems from this medallion.
That he was Dracula.
I can give you actually the direct relation to the Sabbathian Frankist if you want.
That's why I'm asking you.
Because that's the Sabbathian Frankist.
What do they have to do with this Star of David and also vampirism?
Because vampirism is quietly associated with some Judaism.
Sure.
Okay.
First of all, the Benai Breed.
Which in reality, if interpreted in the correct way, means Sabbatize my illumination, was this paramasonic or quasi-Masonic order, which the Jews eventually established after the Asiatic Brethren because they were rejected by many lodges.
They were trying to seek acceptance within the lodges of Freemasonry and so on.
And so, here in America, in New York, in the early 19th century, they gave birth to.
To the B'nai Brit, which is today's biggest fraternal organization in Jewish history.
And the Benay Britt started to open lodges in Hollywood.
And in Hollywood, they took control of all the production houses.
And so, basically, in fact, as you know, I wrote a whole book about also Hollywood and the entertainment business, which is Volume 8 of My Confessions.
But these lodges opened by the Benay Britt became the ones that produced the movies like the one we saw with Bela Lugosi.
So, obviously, there is a connection there.
A connection which is with the world's oldest and largest Jewish service organization founded in New York in 1843 by a number, I think 12 of the Jewish immigrants of German descent who actually hardly spoke English.
They spoke apparently German.
In fact, initially it was known as the Bundesbruder, the Brothers of the Covenant.
And they did it because they wanted to help the Jews.
But this organization in reality, Is a Sabbatian Frankist organization.
Those Germans who went to New York were very much connected to Adam Becher, very much connected with the Illuminati, very much connected with the basis of German socialism and what then we have with Karl Marx.
I mean, Karl Marx is a Jew.
The Fabian Society.
After also, but that is a bit later on, let's say, in our story.
Karl Marx, though, is You know, I mean, he's the father of the manifesto, of the communist manifesto.
And in fact, in my story, I explain how he was himself a product of the Jewish Enlightenment, the Akshalah, as they know it, which in turn is also a product of people who were profoundly influenced by Sabbatai Zevi and Jacob Frank, like Moses S., like this character here, this gentleman here.
So, Karl Marx is basically a product of Sabbatian Frankism, but even the French Revolution, in a way, is a product of Sabbatian Frankism because the history of Jacobinism, but even the history of it could have never been the same without Moses Dubruzka, for example.
The philosophy is the social philosophy, they call it.
It's very important within the context of what happens later on.
Not much has been discussed in regards to the, you know, I mean, Moses Dobruska was definitely a very secretive guy, but he was himself not only a relative of Jacob Frank through his mother, he was also a relative of another very important guy who.
Was involved in one of the biggest controversies regarding the Sabbatean Frankists, and this was Rabbi Eshbutz.
And this Rabbi, he was actually, I think, the niece, not the niece, I think, of this Rabbi.
And this Rabbi is very important in our story, and I explain why in my book, because he was the one who wrote.
One of the most important texts for the Sabbatean Frankists, which was a book called the Babo Ayom El Ain.
Now, this rabbi is still to this day very much respected because the controversy erupted against him with the accusation of being a Sabbatean Frankist, but because he was such an influential guy within the Jewish community, the traditional rabbinic leaders feared.
Of course, that exposing Abel Schutz's work.
Abel Schutz is a guy who, let me see if I can find for you an image that we can maybe show to our viewers, because, like I said, his book, based on Sabbatai Zevi, became the most influential book to this day.
Here we are.
And he says, Sabbatai Zevi, just to make an ask here, as a footnote here, Was the one that in 1666, you know, declared himself as the only Messiah after Jesus or whatever.
Okay, no, let me correct you here.
Let me correct you.
10 years earlier, 11, I think, or whatever, that he declared himself in Gaza with Nathan of Gaza, who was his son.
Nathan of Gaza, yes.
Yes, he declared himself to be the Messiah of the Jews, and he was followed at the time by more.
Than half of the Jewish population in the world.
But in 1666, he was forced to declare himself Muslim because the Sultan threatened him to chop his head off if he didn't convert.
So, the history, though, in my book, you have the revelations that are nowhere to be found, even in the works of Gershon Scholem, who was this eminent historian, one of the most known when it comes to those who have touched on the history of.
The Sabbathian Frank is because I revealed the background of Mordecai Zevi, the father of Shabbatai Zevi, who himself was connected and working in Smyrna for the Puritans of Oliver Cromwell.
So, this you can find here because, in the end, you will see that the reality was the origins of this evil, like you're showing.
Gershon Sholem is definitely one of the most powerful assets as an historian that we can base our work on, but there is also others, of course.
But when it comes to Mordecai Zebi, Mordecai Zebi is a very important figure in this story because he was the one who will influence his son and he will actually give him the basic knowledge that they made him claim this Messiah position.
And why?
Because at the time there was a guy who was very big within the.
Within the Jewish, he was called the ambassador of the Jews.
I think his name was Ben Ben Ben Israel, Benasseh Ben Israel.
I think let me see if I can find an image of him.
Or he is a very important guy in a story.
Why?
Here we have his image.
Let me show it to you.
I put it here so you can maybe share it.
I have it on the Here it is.
See, this guy here became very important, Benassa Ben Israel.
Very important because he based his work on somebody else who now we're going to reveal is a Maranos.
Maranos, of course, for those who don't know, we have the.
He wasn't a Marano.
He was actually a very known and.
What is a Marano?
Because it comes from the golden age of Spanish literature and enlightenment.
And then you have the Maranos, those converted to Judaism.
You have a difference to Christianity, to Christianity, Catholicism, right?
You have basically these two.
You have the conversos and the marranos, and there's a difference here that needs to be explained.
What is the difference between the conversos and the marranos?
The marranos they they moved to Rafa Nadal's house in Majorca, and the other ones to Varicana, Italy, or what happened to them?
No, no, it's not only that, it's actually the fact that the marranos didn't convert genuinely, they actually converted to the Catholic faith but continued to practice the Jewish faith in secret, while instead the conversos.
Converted genuinely, meaning that they embrace fully Catholicism.
Now, this guy who I've showed you, Menasseh ben Israel, who was this Jewish scholar, rabbi, Kabbalist, he opened the first Hebrew printing press named Emmet Meret Stisma in the Netherlands.
Menasseh Ben Israel And Zionism00:15:26
He's a very important figure in a story because he will pick up the concept.
I mean, here we are talking about the very basis of Zionism.
Zionism, as we know it, will not have existed without.
Menasseh ben Israel, who convinced Oliver Cromwell, who, as you know, took over England for a brief period, Great Britain, and made it into a republic by chopping the head of the king.
But this guy, Menasseh ben Israel, was contacted by Cromwell's associates, and he himself was a very important figure in a story because he said, Oliver Cromwell to let the Jews back after a few hundred years.
They had been banned since the 14th century, 13th century, they had been banned from England.
So there was a Marranos involved in all this, though, and that is where we're going here.
So the Marranos involved in this story was the guy who actually influenced Israel, and it was Isaac La Prairie.
Isaac La Prairie, maybe I can find an image of him, was a Marranos.
And Isaac Lapriere was a guy who had written a book explaining that the Jews had to go back to Israel.
And you see, this is very important because here we are, you know, people think that the Jews always wanted to be, you know, go back to their promised land.
And that is a big, big lie.
In reality, there was this Isaac Lapriere who introduced.
Ben Israel, the other guy who is like La Priere, basically introduced the guy, Menasse Ben Israel, through a book to the fact that the Jews had to be brought first back to England.
And that happened with, of course, Oliver Cromwell.
And then after, bring them back to Israel.
And the Puritans, they're very much into this whole thing.
So, the Israel, that was not a physical place because it was sometimes in Lithuania, sometimes in Poland, sometimes in Ukraine, sometimes in Ravenna in Italy.
Let's say that at the time, and you are of course stating it here, there was a lot of confusion on where Israel was supposed to be.
But we know that when it comes down to people like, for example, then Nathan of Gaza, Shabbat Isaiah, of course, he was in Gaza, he was in Palestine, and Jerusalem is in Palestine.
So, I mean, Jerusalem is there, it's not in Madagascar.
However, I know that's from the 20th century.
Narrative, but the medieval times narrative is that the Bosphorus in Turkey, Anatolia, was Jerusalem because they had the Crusades there also.
Okay, and Ravenna, there is some documents from the Vatican that Ravenna was where the Virgin Mother Mary and Joseph had the Jesus in Ravenna, Ravenna, or whatever you call it in Italy.
There was a lot of different, but when it comes down to, let's say, the current narrative.
It goes back to this Manasseh ben Israel, this Dutch based Jewish founder, which I talk about in my book, who wrote an astonishing book.
I mean, he basically had the printing house and he convinced Cromwell's secretary that it was so irrelevant for the Jews to go back to England, where they were banned for several centuries up until then.
And at that point, Sadler published also a book, an astonishing book called The Rights of the Kingdom.
Why is this book astonishing?
Because it introduces British Israelism, meaning they believe that the English were, or the Scottish, or the Lost Tribe of Israel.
So it is, of course, an artificial construction, but this, in a way, was of help.
There was Menasseh ben Israel who published a book called The Hope of Israel.
And The Hope of Israel was very important because, like we said, brought to the discussion between Oliver Cromwell and Menasseh ben Israel as ambassador of the Jews that led to the English going back to England, but only as a temporary passage to then go back to Israel.
Now, who were the people who were in charge of Israel after the Ottoman Empire?
The English.
They were in charge of Palestine.
So it was, and then the Balfour Declaration, where was it made?
In England.
The Rothschild, where Sabbatian Frankists who married and nobility themselves were, in England.
So you see the British Israel World Federation and everything that goes along with it.
So there is definitely a link, but this link starts, first of all, from Benassa Benizel, but it goes back to.
Isaac Lapriere, who had written, who was this Jewish converse, Marrano, who was very influential, who was really influential also because he was connected to the Jesuits.
So here we have once again also a connection with the Jesuits and the very early days of what will become Zionism.
So Zionism later on becomes in the 19th century something that the English system.
Will kind of come in a way will influence the Jews who then themselves created, of course, with Theodore Herzl, the Zionist movement.
I have here a couple of, I think I showed you maybe in the past, a couple of big encyclopedias of Zionism in two volumes.
And eventually, see here, these are two books, and they are, as you can see, the Encyclopedia of Zionism and Israel.
And the guy who is ascribed to being the most influential guy is, of course, the guy who created the movement himself.
Who was this gentleman?
Who was Theodore Elsel?
This guy here.
Because rumor says, as you know, Leo, that Babylon is Babylon, that is the old Rome is in Babylon, in London, that the English flag or the British flag is from the tribes of Jack, of Jacob, Isaac, that is Saxe, the Saxons.
We have a Theodore Elsel.
This guy here is Theodore Elsel.
And he's very important because supposedly founder of Zionism, of the diary of Zionism.
In reality, my book explains he wasn't even the inventor of the name Zionism that was invented prior to him by another Jewish figure who actually invented the name and then regretted it because he went back to Orthodox Judaism.
What happens is that you see, when you create Zionism, the idea was to bring together In the meantime, you have the Israels, of course, the Israel in Britain, the British Israelism that convinced.
Which is a great country.
Leo, and you know, you come from them too because you're related to the family, the royal family.
Sure, sure.
So you have Great Britain when Abraham told Jacob, you will have a great country, you will have a Great Britain, a Britain of the Barats, of the Baal, or whatever you want to call it.
But one thing, Mahabarats, yes.
One thing is that there was a little bit of an artificial construct here that wasn't there in any, you know, wasn't then revealed by any DNA study.
I mean, today, if we go back to the studies in DNA, we cannot prove that there was ever a Jewish Khazarian because we explained this in the past.
The Khazarians, for example, embraced Judas.
No, no, I'm just explaining you this.
In the 19th century, when British Israel became so popular in England, It was also to convince the English to give their support so they could then, of course, later on push the idea which materialized with the Balfour Declaration and later on, of course, with the foundation of Israel, that they were somehow part of it.
But in reality, there is no DNA evidence that the Anglo Israel, the British nation, the Lost Tribal.
I mean, what you're showing now is a book that I actually have here.
I show you.
Watch, it's from the end of the 19th century.
Watch here.
This book here that you just showed.
But you can't deny that many British and many Irish claim they are the original Irish in concept.
I mean, the Druids, they were like the agents and initiators of the Eurasian, right?
No, but in fact, in this book here in particular, it shows the similarities between Druidism and the Jewish faith.
And the festivities that every year the Druids and the Jews have.
But the thing is that aside from anything else, this was also made in a way to kind of tame the very much anti Semitic field of the past.
Because England, I repeat, up until Oliver Cromwell, for a few centuries, they had kicked out the Jews out of the whole country.
For a few centuries.
I mean, they were not.
It was not only Spain.
Spain was the bad player.
Everyone says Spain kicked out the Muslims and the Islam and the Jews and whatever.
They're buddies.
They're anti Semitic, anti Muslim, anti whatever.
So now it's Spain.
Germany kicked them out.
Russia kicked them out.
England kicked them out.
Italy kicked them out.
France kicked them out.
The Netherlands or Holland, whatever it's called, I don't know, the low countries, they changed the fucking name like the Basque country every fucking day.
So Holland, they kicked them out.
Everyone kicked them out.
Why did they kick them out?
That's what I want to know.
I mean, are they.
British in the end, Irish bad guys?
Are they Semitic?
Because Netanyahu is a Semitic person.
Personally, the other way is German.
I mean, who is in it?
Personally, I will ascribe to the fact that, of course, if the Jews had to come from somewhere, they came first of all from Egypt because that's where Moses brought them out of the country.
Now, of course, we can say that they were enslaved or they were not enslaved, but.
Or is that a metaphor like Frankenstein?
No, but I mean, Moses, you know, Leo, I have to ask these questions.
I have to be questioning all the narratives because, I mean, we are, yes, yes, I know the book of the beginning, right?
But nobody, when they say in Europe, Leo, I'm asking you a question.
Judeo Christian, they say the societies, Western societies are Judeo Christian.
They're not Judeo Christian because nobody fucking paid attention to the Hebrew Bible.
The Romans and the Greeks, they were pagan.
The Druids, they were pagan.
Nobody read the fucking Hebrew Bible.
Until now, no, but no, no, wait a second.
No, and then and then in Christ, no, no, I was saying to the priest, no, calling Christ.
Bear with me a second, stay with me a second here.
The Jews had the biggest community in Europe in Rome out of all cities, and still to this day, how many?
How many?
They are only like six million now, or nine million.
How many?
No, but the community that was Christianity.
No, no, but in fact, no, but the Jewish community in Rome, the Jewish ghetto existed for 2,000 years.
I mean, the fact that the Jews.
How many people, Leo?
How many people?
How many people?
1,000, 2,000, 100,000.
But in the end, you have to understand that the modern studies in DNA, that is what we have to base our research from.
So does it exist a DNA for the Jews?
Yes, in the Sephardic and Ashkenazi, and also in the Yemeni.
I'm not denying the fact that it.
And they have some relation because they are all incestual.
I mean, the good thing about Christianity is they came to our tribe and they said, regardless of the religion, you have to mingle with other people because otherwise you're fucking ugly.
And you understand Catholicism helped, but listen, Leo, Christianity helped that we came out of the tribe and we could meet blonde girls from Sweden and we could meet Italian girls and we could meet Ukrainian girls.
Otherwise, we would marry the fucking.
Our sister and our mother.
Let's go back to the history of Christianity.
The history of Christianity has two cities Jerusalem and Rome.
So we can't really go out of that.
But where is Jerusalem?
Where is Rome?
Because Rome changed many times, places.
No, no.
Rome was in Alexandria.
Rome was in Turkey.
Rome was in Troy.
Rome was in Avignon.
Rome was in Aravena.
Rome is Rome.
What do you mean, which Rome?
Rome was in Moscow.
The Rome of the ancient Romans.
I was born in Rome on the seven hills.
So don't tell me where it's.
Sorry to disagree, to agree.
That Rome is very recent.
Because RM is Abraham.
RM is Abraham.
Abraham is the father of Rome.
Abraham.
I mean, first of all, they didn't have vowels.
Everyone reading Rome before the 13th century, they were reading consonants.
So if you have A, you don't have A, you have BRM.
BRM is the father of Rome.
If you have RM, you had Romulus and Remus, right?
I'm not trying to discredit that you're from Rome.
First of all, Where are the ruins of the original Rome with St. Peter?
Okay, there is no original Rome.
Are they ruins there?
The Trojan, the Trojan name.
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Okay, first of all, the original Rome didn't exist, Leo.
No, Ever to anybody outside of the high priest of Rome for a simple reason, and that is because it was believed in the ancient times that whoever knew the protector of the city, and in this case, the real name of Rome will then define who was the god who will protect the city.
So the name Rome was used externally, but in reality, the real name of Rome would be always known only to a limited few.
Okay, and those limited few will protect their real name with their own lives and transmit it only orally.
And for that reason, we don't really know the real name of Rome.
So Rome stays Rome, but the real name of Rome will be always secret because the Romans were very much believers that if anybody knew the name of Rome, they could evoke the god in charge of Rome and they will.
At that point, sorry Leo to interrupt, yeah.
You acknowledge the fact because I want to bring this to this audience to question more things, even from the past.
You acknowledge the fact that before there was only consonants until the Greeks supposedly came in the Middle Ages or something like that.
They started reading this text that we don't have, we only have copies because the originals there disappear, you know, we don't know where they are.
They have RM, they have the Tarquinian War in Rome that we don't know Rome, but he didn't say Tarquinian, he said TRQN.
That it could be the Franks and the Franks, the way Rome is also an anagram.
Rome is the anagram of amor, which is love, amor, but it's also the anagram of amor, meaning also Mars, because it was Mars, the protector of the world.
Okay, so the god of war goes and protects, of course, the Romans who then conquer and establish the biggest empire that, of course, was at the basis of our Western civilization.
So, when you say Judeo Christian, you have to understand that the Jews and Rome were always connected.
In fact, the symbol, going back to what you asked earlier about the Star of David, that was never really the symbol of the Jews, but was actually the symbol that the Sabbatean Frankists gave for, you know, as a symbol.
That's why I have it also here, no, in the sixth star.
Now, the real symbol of the Jews is the menorah.
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And the menorah.
Was shown and the one that is the real symbol of Israel as you find it in ancient Rome depicted there.
And in fact, is the depiction that the menorah of ancient Rome is the one that is the real symbol of not only Judaism but of Israel.
So, Amenrah, Amenrah.
The man is Amenrah.
Today, Menorah is a menorah.
Okay, but reverse.
Regardless of the interpretation.
Yeah, but the menorah is not, Leo, because.
No, but I mean, we could go into the origins of every single Hebrew word, but that is not pertinent to what we are discussing today.
The menorah is a powerful symbol of Judaism, it is the most prominently the official emblem of the state of Israel.
Today, and it's deeply connected to the nation's history.
But if we had to know, you know, where is the temple?
The first and the African, hey, and the African tribes had the candles in doing for the Jews.
I'm saying, no, no, I'm doing this for the show because this is a show.
Don't worry.
It's not a problem.
No, no, no, it's a problem.
I mean, we are bringing out of relying on things.
In regards to the menorah, we also.
No, of course, but that is part of the show.
It's not a problem.
Now, in the Talmud, there was a sign.
That the Shekinah rested among Israel.
Now, the Shekinah is also a very important element in my book because the Shekinah is this presence of God which becomes also the female.
Don't go even there.
I show you Donald Trump doing the Shekinah.
No, because in Judaism.
Where is the Shekinah, Leo?
Explain that because that's very.
What is Shekinah?
The real truth.
Leo, don't go around the bush.
Now, in regards to my book here, I write about Gillian Maxwell in relation to the Shekinah, just as E. Frank, the daughter of Jacob Frank, was defined as the Shekinah.
The Shekinah is the dwelling or settling in a special sense of dwelling of the divine presence, and it is a very important element also because it's a feminine word in Hebrew, but it's also.
Featured in a masculine androgynous way.
And it is very important because the divine feminine principle in Judaism is the Shekinah, and the Shekinah is present also in the lodges of the OTO, for example, in the original OTO of Theodore Royce.
But also, the Shekinah, like I said, is connected to the female Messiah who Jacob Frank said was his daughter, Eve Frank.
Now, we might disregard all this as rubbish, but in reality, Yves Frank became the first and only female messiah.
And aside from that, there is also another thing that is very relevant to our story.
Gillen Maxwell herself was thought to be the Shekinah by Epstein and his followers.
Just recently, when she was moved to another prison, she was visited by a group of very powerful people in the chapel.
Gil Maxwell was also received in a private audience with Jeffrey Epstein by the Polish Pope, a future saint, John Paul II.
So, this is really more, I think, interesting and pertinent to what we are discussing.
We can, of course, go back and talk about the Torah, the Shekinah, the temple, and many other things.
We have to talk about the Shekinah and this penis head going back and forth to the wall, representing this.
I mean, I didn't say this.
You know who said this too?
Brother Nathaniel.
You know, Brother Nathaniel?
Yes.
He used to be Jewish and now he's a Christian priest.
You should have a talk with Brother Nathaniel.
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He's going to be great.
He's going to be great.
I mean, great pleasure.
If you can organize that, I'm going to hook you up with Brother Nathaniel.
Absolutely.
In any case, your book is great, like any other book.
You learn a lot about your book.
You learn about Frankenstein.
We want people to buy this book.
Show the book, show the book, The Rise and Fall of Frankie's.
That's Jeffrey Epstein, yes.
Exposing Jeffrey Epstein and the most powerful Jewish sect in the world is now number one.
You release in Jewish history, in history of Judaism, in espionage through accounts, and many other categories on Amazon.
I think you will learn a lot from this book today.
Of course, it was nice also to have this uh show confrontation with Colin, which is always enriching.
Don't reveal my sources, man.
Provocation, provocation.
I never lose a debate.
You know, I always gain knowledge.
It's like you, Leo.
You never lose a debate.
You know why you don't lose a debate?
Because you always gain knowledge.
In the end, you always gain knowledge.
And we always go easy on this one to the next book.
But, you know, guys, the purpose of this show is to go really strong.
I mean, we are Latin people.
We are Latin people.
We are, you know, with a lot of European spirit and energy, you know.
And we have to go strong on this one.
It is very straight.
Are you a conversos?
No, I'm a fucking Marrano.
I don't take showers like the English.
Okay, you are a Marrano.
Because Marrano in Spanish means pig, means dirty.
That's why Marrano, they were called these conversos because these conversos didn't.
But hey, if Israel puts some money on the table, I go.
I mean, I go blind, you know, like, hey, guys, you have some money.
You give me money, I promote you.
There's no problem.
I don't care if you're Jew, Christian, or pagan.
I mean, I don't give a shit.
No.
When it comes to money, we know that the.
When it comes to money, man, I mean, I'm fucking skin.
I'm fucking skin like you, Leo.
Look, Israel, or Isis Amin Ra and El Amenora.
I do whatever the fuck you want.
You want me to go to the Wailing Wall?
I go to China.
I go to the Wall of China and do the Shekinah with the Chinese.
The Chinese, I go there, I do the Shekinah.
No fucking problem.
But send me some fucking cash.
Send us cash and buy the book.
Buy the book.
Buy the book.
Absolutely.
Buy the book.
Thank you so much for having me on.
And God bless you.
See you for the next show, Colin.
All the best, Rafa Pal.
He needs to learn English so we can have a chat together on this show.
Take care, thank you, Leo.
Bye, all the time.
It's a pleasure to meet the devil.
Yeah, nice to meet you guys.
Nice to see you again.
And we'll see you next week.
We're gonna have a nice people, nice people around.
I'm a carnivore, so send me meat.
Send me bacon.
Send me the bacon.
Send me the big fucking insurance thing.
Big kiss, everyone.
Bye.
I see you on the Cold River Show.
And I was round with Jesus.
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Had his moment of doubt and pain.
Bye, this is good.
What's puzzling you?
When I saw it wasn't time for a change, killed a czar in his