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Sept. 27, 2025 - The Leo Zagami Show
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THE SECRET CONNECTIONS BETWEEN FREEMASONRY, MORMONS, THE CIA, AND THE JESUITS
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gonna be a ladies and gentlemen, Leo and Christie for the Leo Zagami show.
Here we are live from France Prince, California, September 27th of the year of the Lord, 2025.
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Okay, so welcome to the show.
And today the topic was the requested for me.
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In any case, uh, today we are talking about the secret connections between Freemasonry Mormons, the CAA and the Jesuits.
It's been a long time coming this show because uh the Mormons have always been in and out of my life.
I always had these Mormons interested somehow in my work.
Uh one of them uh proposed me to go and live in Canada before we moved here.
You remember he had some private jet companies.
It was a Mormon who had recorded this interview, it was never broadcast anywhere, aside from probably uh the headquarters of the Mormons and uh Salt Lake City or somewhere around there.
Uh but that was their proposal.
Then the Mormons in 2019 finally established their biggest temple in continental Europe.
The other temple, the biggest temple in Europe, is of course in England, which has been another important place for the Mormons since their uh creation.
Uh but this temple in Rome was of course uh something to do with what?
Uh something to do with their legacy of the Jesuits and the Mormons being friends for a very, very long time.
And in fact, today we're gonna discuss all these secret connections also with Freemasonry, because Joseph Smith, the founder, uh, became himself a Freemason, uh, aside from being the mayor of this town, where he also created a legion, a military legion in defense of the Mormons who had been persecuted.
The Mormons had been persecuted, and so they fled Missouri and ended up in Illinois, in a place that would be called by its founder, uh, who was of course also the founder of the Church of Jesus guys of later-day saints, uh Navo, Illinois.
This was the place where uh basically this uh gentleman uh uh Joseph Smith renamed this place that was called Commerce in 1840, Navao.
And uh he believed actually the Indians were the lost tribe of Israel, then that's why they became so involved in the study of DNA.
They have the biggest data center of DNA in the world, uh, but in the end, they actually proved the wrong uh what was written in the Book of Mormon.
Yeah, because one thing is you have to understand the Mormons are not really considered Christians by most denominations, because aside from believing in the Old Testament and New Testament, they believe in this book of Mormon.
So we need to uh explain uh this whole thing uh that leads us inevitably to a gentleman, a handsome gentleman by the name of Joseph Smith, who was very charismatic and managed to really pull off something uh that is out of this world, because we're talking about a religion that is also very much uh connected with the CA.
Yeah, they like to recruit uh the Mormons because the Mormons know a lot of languages, dedicate at least one year of their life to their mission after high school.
They are obliged to do one year, you know, door to door, but their door-to-door activity is followed also by the study of language, and so they are very much into proselytism into recruiting other people into this religion.
They are very good sellers.
Um it's gonna be an interesting episode.
I want to start, of course, also citing uh some material from Occult Theocracy of Eddie Star Miller, which talks about them and explains also uh what uh Joseph Smith uh did.
But there was also another guy, Brigham Young, I guess some relative of mine.
Uh, in any case, he was the guy who was very connected with Joseph Smith, his left hand guy, is uh how you say main support man, sorry.
Okay, and he was the one who uh arrived in uh in Utah, and he was the one who eventually would become the first governor of this new state once the Congress finally recognized this new state.
But who gave them the maps?
It was a Jesuit, a Jesuit priest, a Patican representative by the name of Pierre de Smet, who actually before uh young uh uh headed west to Utah he got this uh this uh this connection with the Jesuits who had the maps of all the territories.
The Jesuits are the ones who knew everything about the United States before everybody else.
And uh this uh Brigham Young was also an acquaintance of none other than Albert Pike, yes, the guy who wrote this uh mega book, this enormous book, The Morals and Dogmas of Freemasonry, was also connected to one of the leading figures of the Mormons.
So it's gonna be a very interesting episode, guys, because first of all, we need to understand the connection with Freemasonry.
Here we have a guy called Joseph Smith, whose father was a Master Mason, whose brother was called Hiram.
Oh, really?
He actually was brought up, and uh you know, some people say, oh, he came from a very modest family, blah blah blah.
Yeah, but the father was a Master Mason, the brother was called Hiram.
Oh no, I mean, for those who know, of course, about uh the first three degrees of Freemasonry, Hiram Abif is a fundamental figure in the allegory that uh drives forward and elevates eventually uh the Master Mason.
So I think that there is a very intense connection, but then also there is a connection with the rituals of the later-day saints, because uh the in Nabo inlinois, uh, when he actually got initiated, first of all, they arrived there after being kicked out of somewhere else.
So there was first a little bit of persecution.
Jovis Joseph Smith is a very charismatic guy who understood that if you uh get these people to believe they are almost like the Israelites, and then you can promise them a land, and then you get to that land, and that land is Utah, and these days everybody knows that the Mormons are in charge, basically of Utah.
Strangely enough, we had the tragic experience of the assassination of Charlie Kirk recently in Utah, but in a state university that didn't have a religious background, strangely enough, but there is a lot of connections with the CA.
The Mormons, like I said, are very much connected with the CA.
So somebody said Hiram gathered the material for the temple.
He did not be there, he was the uh the master builder of the temple.
Uh that's what Hiram Abif was.
He might have not been uh the but he was the master builder, he was in charge.
That's why you have Hiram Abif uh so prominent in what is uh the in particular the fair degree of Freemasonry, of course, is all built around him.
But let's move forward, because uh today we are talking about Mormonism, the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
It's not about for the Mormons, it's not about um founding a new religion.
It's about rediscovering and uh putting back into place what they claim was the original form of Christianity.
Now, this is an interesting subject because in reality, it was already Adam Beishat who attempted to do something like this, claiming he was bringing back an original form of Christianity, and then we had the Freemasons who were bringing uh to uh together all this uh uh this stuff uh uh that was uh like gnosticism uh kind of was revamped by Freemasonry.
Uh Hiram was a Mormon.
No.
What I'm saying is that the brother of Joseph Smith was called Hiram, and that's because the father was a Master Mason, the father of Joseph Smith.
So Joseph Smith was born within Freemasonry, and what happened was because uh, of course, uh the the church uh uh the Mormons will not tell you the whole story.
So today I want to give you the whole story, not that just the you know, because uh at one point there was a clash between Freemasonry and the Mormons that led uh to a prohibition in Utah for Mormons to become Freemasonry until 1984.
So it wasn't always like uh today.
The Grand Secretary, former Grandmaster is actually a member, uh, is a bishop of the of the Mormons.
Things have changed.
And now, in fact, uh, this is the way the official video by the Mormons that talk about their founder and how he was a Freemason.
is let's say correct but it omits some things that happened which we will clear after after the video smith the mason and if so what connection does it have to temple worship practiced by members of the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints Well, there could be some confusion between the similarities with and the differences between Masonic ritual and the way Latter-day Saints worship in the temple of the Lord.
Let's explain.
The term Mason or Masonry refers to Freemasonry, a worldwide network of fraternal organizations dating back hundreds of years that promotes morality and service to others.
And yes, Joseph Smith, the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, was a Freemason.
Joseph Smith's brother Hiram was also a Mason and a member of a lodge in Palmyra, New York.
And their father, Joseph Smith Sr., was also known to be a Master Mason in Canon Degua, New York, as early as 1818.
While prophet and president of the church, Joseph joined the Masonic Lodge in Nauvoo, Illinois on March 15th, 1842, rising to the level of Master Mason just a day later under the recognized authority of the Grandmaster of Illinois.
Masonry wasn't new to the thousands of Latter-day Saint converts already living in and around Nauvoo at the time.
Although new to the faith, some members of the church, even those within the ranks of church leadership, were already masons.
Eventually, over 1,500 members of the church were listed as Freemasons in Nauvoo alone, more than in all the rest of Illinois.
At the time, the rest of Illinois counted more or less 500 masons.
And this became also a threat to the majority of lodges in Illinois when they saw that one little town, which is really in the middle of nowhere, because this place is very difficult to reach still today.
It's not really well known like Chicago or other important cities of Illinois.
And so that's why they forbid what is usually a tradition in Freemasonry, that you could have inter-visitations.
And at one point, like I will explain in a little while, they actually took away the charter and the regularity, so they were left in an irregular position with their lodges being deemed all irregular.
Across early America, many elected officials were masons.
President George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and many signers of the Declaration of Independence were also Masons.
In the years prior to becoming a Mason, Joseph Smith had received instruction from God, revelations about eternal promises which God desired to make with church members.
These promises are often called covenants.
Some of these covenants, along with instruction about the purpose of life, are presented to members of the church in a ceremony called the endowment held in holy temples.
So, does the temple endowment ceremony borrow from Masonic ritual?
At the time, Latter day Saints in Nauvoo who experienced both Masonic rites and the temple endowment did notice some common characteristics between the two ceremonies.
Specifically the common methods of presentation and clothing of the participants.
This is very important because at that time so many Mormons were also Masons, and so they went from the temple, which is basically their church, to the Masonic temple, and they could really see that they were similarities because what Joseph Smith had done was simply to keep that modality in which you go through an initiation and you showed symbols,
you you are given certain uh how you how you can say, I mean, you you went for the Masonic initiation, Christie, so you you know how it works.
You have, of course, the uh the apprentice, you have the fellowcraft, you have the master masons, which are all connected also to part of the body in which the oath, no, the fret that your heart will be told, all that stuff.
Now, the same thing happens with the ceremony of endowment of the Mormons.
So I would like uh uh Christi to go through what is an account of this ceremony of endowment, uh, because in a way uh Masonry was always popular with the Mormons until though Joseph Smith claimed that an angel of the Lord had brought him the lost key of several degrees, enabling to progress further than the highest Mason.
At that point, the church charter also of the Mormon Lodge was taken away from the Grand Lodge of Illinois, and it started this fracture, this uh uh you say, between Freemasonry and the Mormons that, like I said, lasted until uh 1984.
When in 1890, the federal authorities went after the polygamist, all the federal agents who were there to investigate uh the Mormons' practice uh which is illegal or polygamy, they uh were actually Freemasons, these federal authorities.
So Freemasonry became uh practice in Utah, especially only between the feds, let's say, who were going after the polygamist.
Now, this is a religious non-Christian sect.
Most uh Christian sect uh Christian religions, denomination don't uh recognize them.
Now, things have changed in the last few years.
I'm gonna show also the images of Pope Francis receiving the president of the Mormons in March 2019.
Uh Joseph Smith was uh somebody who had from very tender age, when he was like a teenager, started to have these visions and started to put together the idea thanks to the angel Moroni.
Now, this angel Moroni will reappear then in the Book of Mormons as one of the prophets who actually authored the book, the prophet Moroni.
He was a Moron, no, uh maybe that is where he comes from.
Are you a Moron?
No, I don't want to offend, of course, anybody here.
Um, but uh let's remember instead the connections with the Freemasonry are very much.
In fact, there is also a parallel between this uh uh this uh mysterious book of Mormons and how it's uh translated from this uh I will tell you the whole story, but there is also some parallels,
for example, uh like Branca draw a parallel between uh the story and the gold plates that apparently Joseph Smith translated from this reformed Egyptian, but nobody really knows much about this reformed Egyptian.
Now I want to be very methodic so we then don't get lost into the whole thing.
But the fact that the Smith and his followers founded this new city of Navo and that the he had these powers granted the I mean he basically had unlimited civil power as the mayor.
He was the head of the religion.
What year was this?
We were here in the 1840s.
The temple which eventually will be burned and will be rebuilt and it's now actually finished in 2002 and it's very popular amongst the Mormons who go there in pilgrimage.
On April 6, 1841, the foundation of this temple, which I'm gonna show you, is very impressive, were laid, and the city continued to grow in prosperity and size in a place, like I said, a little bit out of the classical roots.
And together with Joseph Smith, the other important figure is Brigham Young, born in 1801, who died in 1877.
It's very interesting though that Smith instead, Joseph Smith is born in 1805, because 1805, like many people know, in Freemasonry was the year in which the ancient and accepted Scottish Rite was established.
It's a maybe a coincidence, of course.
But the interesting thing is that Joseph Smith reality in Illinois didn't have access to any rites at the time.
Some say because it was still the early days.
However, we know that the Supreme Council that then spread the ancient ancestors of the Scottish Rite spread rather quickly.
However, Smith moved with his followers after he was persecuted in Missouri.
In Missouri, he was, him and his followers were banned, and the ban went on until like into the, I think into the 70s of the last century.
I mean, it was like lifted only, I think, in 1976 or something.
So he was pushed out of Missouri, was after the collapse, let's say uh of this uh church, and uh at that point they went to Navo, Illinois.
And that's where he grew this town to become the second largest city at the time.
And he even launched a presidential campaign at one point.
With Brigham Young, he launched, yeah, yeah.
I mean, the guy was uh he founded the Legion, military legion, so he had his own militia, and he was campaigning to become president of the United States of America.
So imagine that.
I mean, the guy was very ambitious.
Here is the campaign for president.
It's quite incredible, huh?
Okay.
So here we are with uh somebody who had some very ambitious ideas.
Um, and he wanted to also bring Freemasonry to this new town.
Initially, the Grand Lodge of Illinois was very skeptic.
He said, Who are these people?
We don't know them.
They could be just people that were from out of other lodges around uh America, so we're not gonna give them anything.
However, um May 3rd, 1842, Joseph Smith enlisted a few men to prepare the space in his red big store in which the Navo Masons met, uh, preparing to give a new ceremony, the ceremy of endowments to a few elders.
This endowment ceremony is similar, very similar to the Freemasons, the way it moves.
And these new saints of the Mormon religion experience, like I said, both the Masonic rites and endowment, a knowledge the similarities, and so that of course there was very much an inspiration, but they thought maybe because Free Masonry as an ancient origin is holy and is divine.
So they never really argued about the similarities.
The emphasis on the similarities between the teaching styles and outwards forms of Masonic in the temple endowment obscures maybe the beginning of this religion.
But the Masonic ceremonies, as we know, they promote self-improvement, brotherhood, clarity, fidelity.
They want a better society.
This is a religion instead.
This is a religion, so it's a different, you know, the the realization is supposedly different.
Now he managed though after being initially the Grandmaster at the time, a certain guy called, I think it was called Jonas, decided to grant him the possibility of recognizing the first lodge in Navo.
And was so in a very short time after there was the dispensation for the foundation of this Navo Lodge.
Um they founded five lodges, and they reached a number of 1500, 1492 Masons.
And this is incredible because in the whole of Illinois there were 400 Masons.
400.
So there was also the strange thing was that the Grandmaster of the time recognized Joseph Smith on site to be a Master Mason.
He had to go through the inter-apprenti, but the day after he was already a Master Mason.
He was elevated Master Mason.
So it was very quick.
Now, I know a lot of people will think this is unusual, and it is unusual, but at the time it wasn't completely unusual that you were made a Mason on site, raised to the third degree on site by the Grand Master Jonas of the Grand Lodge of Illinois.
And at that point, like I said, there was a Navo Lodge founded Elm Lodge, Kneelodge, Rising Sun Lodge, Cay Coke Lodge.
There were five lodges and there was definitely a lot of masons in this little town that was starting to...
Then there was the first problems.
For example, Rising Sun Lodge was suspended because of a refusal to pay dues to the Grand Lodge.
And that is deemed, of course, irregular.
Then there was though the connection, like I said, to Joseph Smith teachings that were starting to become way too invasive.
So I think that in the end they had to the Grand Lodge of Illinois decided that they will withdraw the recognition to all the lodges in Navo.
And like I said, it started a process, a process.
Today things have changed.
They have changed a lot.
And in fact, I'm gonna show you a video that is an interview to the bishop, a bishop from the Mormons from the Church of Later-day Saints, who was a Grand Master and now is a Grand Secretary.
*Music*
Only a few blocks away from the Latter-day Saint Temple in downtown Salt Lake is this building, the Masonic Temple of Salt Lake.
Masons are a kind of mysterious organization that not very many people know very much about.
You probably only heard of them in movies like National Treasure.
But the Masons are an organization that goes back centuries, at least as early as the 1300s, where we have the first records.
A number of the founders of the United States, like George Washington and Benjamin Franklin, were Masons.
And it's a fraternal organization where men come to buildings like this where they enter into ceremonies where they promise to assist each other to help each other, and the motto of Masonry is to help make good men better.
Latter-day Saints in the 1840s had suffered serious persecutions.
Some of them were former Masons, and they felt like if they connected with the Masons, they might have some friends that could help them out if they got in trouble.
And today we've got the rare privilege of going inside the Masonic Temple, where we're gonna film a tour and find out a little bit more about the Masonic fraternity.
*Dramatic music*
We're here in Nauvoo, Illinois, where one of the most striking buildings on Main Street is this building, which is today called the Cultural Hall.
This was used for a lot of things back in the 1840s when the Saints were here, but the name that it was probably most commonly called back then was the Masonic Lodge.
Question is why were the Masons here?
What's their tie to the church?
And how did the church's involvement with the Masons affect the development of church teachings and practice?
Here on the third floor of the Masonic Hall is where the Masonic Lodge met.
They would have performed the ceremonies carried out with Masons.
And because of the timing, Joseph Smith is inducted as a Mason in early 1842.
In May of 1842, he introduces the temple endowment.
But there are some parallels between the Latter-day Saint endowment ceremony and the Masonic ceremony.
So we're gonna take a few minutes and explore those parallels, how they came from, how we explain them, and how the Masons may have influenced the development of Latter-day Saint Temple practice.
Thank you.
Some Masons think their practices descend from Solomon's Temple, others from the Knights Templar.
But many Freemason scholars point to Masonry beginning in the 13th century when stonemasons created guilds.
We know that Joseph Smith's brother, Hiram Smith, was a Freemason early on, and that Joseph Smith joined later on.
This is an exciting opportunity we have not just to learn about Latter-day Saint history, but also Freemasonry in general.
Hi, Lon.
Casey, welcome to the Salt Lake Masonic Temple.
Today we're touring with Lon Tibbetts.
Lon has been a grandmaster and is currently a grand secretary.
He's also served in the church as a bishop.
And he regularly gives tours in the Masonic Temple.
We are exploring a little bit about the connection between Latter-day Saints and Freemasons.
And I understand you're both.
I am.
That's true.
You're an you're a member of the church and you're a member of this Masonic Lodge.
Yes.
And you give tours all the time, and you're gonna show us through.
I am.
Okay, we'll lead the way.
We're excited.
This is the Grand Hall.
We don't hold meetings here.
It's kind of a foyer, if you will.
The pictures in this room are the pictures of men or women who have held national or international presidencies of Masonic bodies.
Okay.
How long have these women's organizations been around?
It's more than a hundred years, but I don't know how much more than that.
So we do call them a pendant bodies or concordant bodies.
So Freemasonry, like the free degrees that culminate in the Master Mason degree.
And uh, like uh I stated at the beginning, there were some clear connections that Joseph Smith had his father, Master Mason, his brother, even called Hiram Beef.
These days, since 1984, Freemasonry doesn't prohibit the entrance of members of the Mormons in Freemasonry, and the Church of Latter-day Saints, the Mormons doesn't prohibit its members to join Freemasonry.
But things were different at the time of Joseph Smith.
At one point, when he was actually killed, he apparently used the classic sign of distress used by the Mason in hope that his adversaries will recognize that he was a Mason.
So he was very much somebody, you know, he said, Oh Lord, my God, you know, and it's apparently this is a statement that Masons know can be used, you know, the widow's son, you know.
It's it's a context that basically Smith wanted to use this Masonic disex signal, but unfortunately for him, it didn't work out.
There is various accounts, of course, of what happened.
Some other important members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints survived, other instead didn't.
And uh Joseph and Hiram, uh youngest brother Samuel Harrison Smith had come to visit the same day, and they made the capture from a group of attackers.
There was definitely a lot going on, because yes, he had arrived in Illinois, but after he had fled another state where he had already created with his whole uh religion already some problems.
Now for those who don't know the history of Mormonism, and uh it's very important, I think, to explain that uh the the the you know the origins of it,
which we can find between Utah, of course, and also you know, in 1877, half of the 144,000 of 140,000 Later de Saints in Utah were of British origin because it was prevalently from Great Britain, where today we have in fact the biggest temple in Europe.
Um Freemasonry is of course uh something that has had a very particular relationship today.
We find the Shriners with their most important um pediatric hospital in Salt Lake City that produces uh I mean it's uh is considered one of the marbles of the shriners who of course are themselves an append, let's say not an appendant body, but a paramasonic order that draws from Freemasonry.
So here we are in a situation in which Freemasonry is something so distant for many people from Christianity.
But for uh Joseph Smith, that wasn't the case.
They acknowledge parallels between Masonry and the temple ceremony as given to Joseph.
Based on their experience with both, they concluded the temple ceremony was of divine origin.
And consider that the ideas within the culture that surrounded Joseph Smith frequently contributed to the process by which he obtained revelations from God regarding The temple endowment, as well as other subjects.
Not surprising, since God uses many means to inspire his prophets and help them receive revelation.
The temple ceremony was not an imitation or copy of Masonry.
It was revelation from God.
Yes, the presentation methods may have parallels to Masonic ritual, but the content of the instruction, the covenants and truths introduced by Joseph Smith as part of the endowment were revealed to him prior to his encounter with Masonry.
Okay.
Now it was revealed, he said, prior to his encounter with the Freemasonry.
But the following, which I'm gonna get my wife to read, is a description of a Mormon ceremony, the endowment, printed in the Rosacrucian, a publication in an article entitled Ancient and Modern Mysteries by most worshipful frater Robert Wenford Little, a very important figure within English the English Rosicrucian rebirth and the Society in Anglia.
Please, Christine.
The converts are then required to purchase white linen garments, which are furnished by the high deacon.
They are then conducted to the temple, ushered into a private room and commanded to undress for the inspection of the presiding elder.
This official, after a minute examination, clothes the neophytes in the linen robes or garments of endowment and conducts them into a large room which is divided by white screens into many small compartments.
Each neophyte enters one of the compartments and is ordered to take off the endowment robe and to step into a long coffin-shaped tin bath.
The elder then pours water upon the naked victim, blessing each member of the body as the water touches it, the brain to be clear and strong, the eyes to be bright and sharp, the ears to be quick to hear, and so on, down to the feet.
This ceremony being performed upon all without distinction of sex.
A new name is then given to each convert by the elder who commands them to arise and follow me.
A magnificent garden full of exquisite fruit trees is the scene of the next ceremony.
The candidates are still in a state of nudity which represents primeval innocence.
Go on.
And the temptation of our first parents is the subject of the next drama.
The woman are the women are directed by an elder personating Satan to pluck an apple from a certain tree, and after they have tasted, to hand it to the men.
Brigham Young then appears, then drives them out of the garden with a flaming sword.
They return to the temple, implore forgiveness on their knees for all trespasses and transgressions, and the ceremony concludes with a benediction upon the new saints pronounced by the lips of this polygamous president.
At the time, of course, this is reported at a time in which they were practicing polygamy.
And Brigham Young, like we said, was a very important figure, who was helped though by the Jesuites in gaining his new promised land, which then became what is today's Utah.
In fact, Brigham Young became the first governor of Utah once the state was accepted within the Union.
Please continue.
Where am I?
Here.
Such is a brief outline of the rite of endowment, the details of the scene being as made readily by a conceived of too obscene, a character to be explained at greater length.
This that we are citing is of course a publication in a time when certain specifics of this ritual were considered obscene.
It was Victorian England when this was published.
Now Brima Brigham Young was succeeded by John Taylor, another Englishman, actually, an Englishman and a Freemason.
And then there were a series of other apostolic successors.
About Mormonism and Masonry, Blanchard was a popular Masonic writer, makes the following remark.
The Mormon dogma is universality, materialism and pantheism.
It blends Judaism and Christianity, aiming at a progressive universal religion while seeking to unite itself all faiths and the cult of every people on earth.
That's why maybe now that Pope Francis, the April Francis started the process of the one world religion in 2019.
Yeah, he actually received in the Vatican for the first time the president of the Mormons, and this is the amazing testimony of this historical moment.
Pleased to meet you.
This is how Russell M. Nelson, the president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, greeted Pope Francis.
He and other Mormon leaders met the Pope on the occasion of the dedication of their temple in Rome, Italy.
It was a never before seen meeting of its kind that strove to highlight similarities instead of differences.
So that's one of the many things that we share in common with you.
The leaders didn't come empty-handed.
They brought a porcelain model of an original sculpture.
The gift we have is from Spain.
It was done by a Danish sculptor who came to Italy to learn how to do sculpture.
They also gave the Pope their official piece, stressing the purpose and importance of family.
The leaders then showed Pope Francis their new temple, the first Mormon temple in the city.
We have a temple.
We have a temple.
And housing.
So that's why we're here.
We're very honored to meet with you.
The Pope concluded the meeting giving them the 2019 medallions as a token of his appreciation.
There are 16 million Mormons in the world.
The Vatican does not exactly consider it a Christian denomination such as Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant because they have a different concept of baptism and have the Book of Mormon instead of the Bible.
Thank you.
the production.
Thank you for Rome Reports for giving us this great insight in what happened back in March 2019.
The first time in which the Mormons also inaugurated this amazing temple in the area of the Eur area of Rome.
I mean, it's an amazing temple.
No, I mean, it was inaugurated uh just uh only a few months before we left Italy, so we didn't have that possibility.
But the interesting thing about this is that we all know that Joseph Smith was a polygamous uh guy, but they are today apologists who insist that in reality he wasn't because of the change that happened,
you know, uh within uh the whole uh Mormon setup, let's say, nowadays they actually prefer to depict Joseph Smith as somebody who actually had a monogamous take on things.
Now, this is why they switch it all, right?
Yes, in fact, check this out.
They even have a guy who explains it.
The prophet Jacob in the Book of Mormon unequivocally condemned those using the scriptures to justify polygamy.
For behold, thus saith the Lord, this people begin to wax in iniquity.
They understand not the scriptures, or they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms because of the things which were written concerning David and Solomon his son.
Behold David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
Unfortunately, using the scriptures to justify polygamy was not limited to the Nephites.
Many Christian writers, such as Martin Luther, John Milton, James Bowell, Johann Leiser, and Reverend Martin Madonna, and many others have all cited the Bible for their arguments in support of polygamy.
So how can we know who is interpreting them correctly?
You might be surprised to learn in today's episode of the earliest known copy of the book of Deuteronomy, found among the Dead Sea Scrolls of Qunran, has shed new light on our understanding of biblical polygamy.
You might also be surprised to hear how almost 200 years ago, Joseph had already revealed at least 15 verses in his inspired translation of the Bible that completely changed the meaning of those verses, referring to David and Solomon's polygamy as well.
We know what Joseph gave us about polygamy in the Book of Mormon.
And today you'll see exactly what he revealed about some of those who practice polygamy from the Bible.
This is Joseph Smith versus the polygamists.
The history the historians never told you Part 2 Yeah, never told you It's bullshit Is this one that found it?
I mean, yes, of course.
Okay, okay, listen to what his explanation is, because it in his words, it makes sense for of course the Mormons who today are in a way reformed and believe that polygamy is uh forbidden and should have never been practiced.
So they're not marrying each other anymore.
Well, that happened already from the 1890s when the federal authorities got my three wives over there.
Okay, let's go to what he says.
The show dedicated to unsettling Mormon history.
Welcome back to Still Mormon.
I'm Jeremy, your host, and I'm so glad you're here.
I hope for you that our time together is well spent.
The response to the first two episodes has been amazing, and um, I'm humbled by it.
Even a little overwhelmed.
I don't know if there's any other issue in Mormonism that stirs people's passions more than the subject of Joseph Smith and polygamy.
And thank you so much for your comments.
The vast majority have been incredibly positive, and a few have been passionately negative, and that's okay.
I wanted to address just a few of the sincere questions I've seen.
For example, at Jamie Andelin, writes, so how do we make sense of DNC 132 and the stories of the women who say they were married to Joseph, like Helen Markimball, Lucy Walker, Fanny Alger, etc.?
Great question.
At Kimbery Young 8756 writes, this is interesting.
I'd love to know more about what you make of his dream with the angel and the sword.
I feel like this video is just scratching the surface, and I'm hopeful about it all, but would love to learn more.
At Nancy Bishop 6207 writes, why did President Young live it as well as many others?
Also, Eliza R. Snow was Joseph's wife and was pushed down a flight of stairs, causing the loss of her and Joseph's baby.
You get the idea.
Lots of questions.
You may have had those questions and heard those things and many others as well.
I want to reiterate what I said in the pilot episode.
I designed this show as a masterclass on the topic of Joseph and polygamy, a place to answer all of those questions.
My goal is to methodically take you through this subject, piece by piece, and that's why we're starting with what happened during Joseph's lifetime.
Without that foundation, you can't understand what happens long after his death.
I really do understand that people want all of the answers right now, but unfortunately, when it comes to this subject, it's going to take some time.
Okay, but it can't be done in a single episode.
And so I'm asking for your patience.
Okay.
I hope you'll stick with me because there are so many misconceptions, false conclusions, and just plain bad information, like Emma throwing Eliza Snow down a flight of stairs, causing her to miscarry ridiculously bad information like that, and so many other things that we'll have to sort through.
But we can do this.
It's a complicated subject, but I'm going to boil it all down to the key arguments, which, when all of the evidence is laid out, are actually quite understandable, and answer those tough questions that so many of you have.
Like, for example, the many questions about the alleged wives.
I'll address all of them in later episodes.
And you'll see for yourself that when you look closely at that evidence, the vast majority of what is believed about the purported wives comes primarily from what just eight women who claim to be Joseph's wives said in stories they told decades after his death.
Questions about the alleged revelation on plural marriage, now DNC 132.
I will show that Joseph specifically denied receiving a revelation on polygamy during his lifetime, as did Hiram and his wife Emma, and that despite emphatic claims that have been made, there is no credible contemporary evidence to connect Joseph to this purported revelation.
Okay, I mean, I know that you want to rewrite history.
I know that the Mormons now want to not be polygamists anymore.
But really, guys.
I mean, it's just like uh whatever.
Uh the Mormons are also because of their discipline, because they know their language is being recruited in massive numbers to join the CA because uh CIA is really super evil.
You were seeing that the other day.
Well is that the FBI or is it let's see what this uh this guy says you couldn't have done drugs ever, ever youthful experimentation, nothing not even weed, nothing.
And now it's you can't have done drugs in the last nine months.
And since weed is weed in today's weed is weed, anymore.
Okay, that's what you couldn't be gay, and you couldn't even be like not sure if you were gay or not gay or buy or whatever.
But it's talking about the people send you a letter to see it out.
Yeah, now that's all changed.
Now the place is full of Mormons because same at the FBI, because Mormons lead very straight lives for the most part, right?
Polygraphs are no problem, and they speak the craziest languages because they go on their missions after high school, and they'll go to you know, Tajikistan or you know, Belarus or whatever, and they learn these really difficult languages that the CIA then doesn't have to spend a year or two years and $500,000 teaching them how to speak.
Okay, now this is one clip of interest that they got in the Mormons and the CA who are being recruited in massiv number.
But how did it happen?
This operation that we're sending, like five soldiers to the missionary training center in Provo, Utah, and then to the language training center to learn to speak a language, and then we're sending them into the field as Mos Mormon missionaries to spy on the populace to also establish relationships with church members there that could support clandestine and
covert military operations.
I remember at BYU, return missionaries would always say, Yeah, it was really tough down central and South America because everybody would point at us and go, Oh, you're CIA kind of things.
And I just thought, well, that's ridiculous.
You know, why would they think that?
You're walking around a suit and a tie or short sleeves with a tie on, and you've got your badge on elder so-and-so, right?
And you're doing that.
Why would they think you were CIA?
Well, now that I fucking know.
Sorry for the CIA.
In any case, we can maybe do a show on the Jehovah's Witness because uh it was also founded by a Freemason, and so they say that too.
Also certain similarities.
But uh, I think uh that uh this former siege uh really explains why they are really the best sellers.
In the United States has the most effective telemarketers, telesales teams.
No idea.
Utah.
The Mormons.
And they are Mormon.
Now this case study is so powerful because what is the biggest challenge for most new entrepreneurs and most business owners?
Selling, because even though they believe in their product, even though they believe that it can deliver the outcome, they still feel slimy making the sale.
Right.
Sales is not an easy skill to just be born with.
The idea of having a conversation where you know that the end goal of this conversation is for them to give you money, and you have to eventually ask them to give you money, that's a hard thing.
And I can't tell you how many entrepreneurs, even seasoned CEOs, still feel guilty about selling.
Yeah, right.
So we always go back to this case study of the Mormons in Utah.
Well, what makes them so effective?
There is a tenant in the Christian faith where God gives people spiritual gifts.
And various spiritual gifts have different elements of of human value to them.
Some spiritual gifts make you good at caring for people, some spiritual gifts make you good at connecting with people, etc.
But the idea is if you have something that you believe in, something that you believe would make the better the world a better place, something that you believe would expand the kingdom.
How could you not do everything in your power to get that product out to as many people as possible?
Right.
And if you get the product out to those people and they buy it, how could you possibly feel guilty about it?
Sure.
Because clearly it's ordained that that person should have that product, just like you have been ordained to be the person who carries forward and proselytizes that product.
So that whole concept of it being spiritual in nature is what makes these telemarketing and telesales teams in Utah superpowered because they don't carry any of the guilt.
They don't spend any calories feeling bad about what they say, what they sell.
They don't spend any calories about the person who doesn't give them a chance to sell on the phone, about the person who hangs up on them right away.
Because instead they're focused exclusively on, well, that person wasn't ordained to have it.
That person wasn't ordained to have it.
That person wasn't my job is to find the ordained person out there.
And it completely transforms the name of the game for them.
Man, this is super fucking interesting.
Well, guys, it's also super funny interesting.
Uh I'm not supposed to be.
Okay.
Volume 12 of my confessions talks about the Jesuits.
It's focused upon the Jesuits, is the last installment of my confessions.
They are the eye and the old seeing eye on top of the pyramid.
And it talks, of course, about Jesuit education.
Well, imagine that Mormon students actually appreciate as the only other form of religious education the Jesuits.
Mormon students, in fact, in this article explains the benefits of Jesuit education.
Yes.
So this should explain, really, I mean, it's pretty clear now.
Explains benefits of Jesuit education.
And there is many connections between a Jesuitism and of course uh Mormonism.
So we have today, of course, scratch the surface of something that is uh, of course, uh, the whole book revealed to Joseph Smith, even through a new language which uh nobody knows about this reformed Egyptian.
I mean, I can show you uh a little bit of this reformed Egyptian, and you and you might say, What the heck is this?
Well, uh, the reformed Egyptian has some characters that uh uh might be similar to other things, but it's definitely unheard of.
So this fantasist, but also very clever, no, uh, in putting together these characters.
So this is uh uh apparently this uh were taken from the original golden plates that were shown to him by the angel, and then were transformed in the book of Mormon.
Um so did the people would say, is there actually some kind of some element that uh of seance element?
Yeah, I was wondering like I was gonna just ask you that.
Okay, now another element uh within uh the uh the whole uh uh let's say um book of Mormon is uh uh what is uh known in also in Hebrew as Urim and Tumim, which is uh elements that uh are worn by the high priest.
Let's not uh forget that this is a theocracy.
I mean, the head of the whole community is uh is a high priest, is the president is a high priest, no, and uh this uh uh particular who I mean, in this uh this high priest is able somehow to get the word of God,
so these presidents, these people who are in charge of the of the community uh of the Mormon community become themselves channel, they are channeling something, uh and it of course uh this is very dangerous.
Uh I mean you have uh uh definitely an element that uh it's bringing you first of all, these mythical golden plates that nobody ever saw uh from uh they are reinstoring, reinstating, they're not bringing a new religion, they're instating what they claim is the original uh Christian religion.
Uh, in uh 1823, Smith said he found these plates on a hill, and then these plates became the Book of Mormon.
He had apparently a couple of uh witnesses with him.
And it didn't matter that these witnesses a few years later said that the whole thing was a scam.
So it's like no, but it didn't matter at that point because you know he was already he had launched himself at a level that definitely he must have had some kind of help.
So was this help demonic?
Was there God in some somehow helping him?
Because uh no, well, I mean, uh, like I said, a lot of people uh don't even consider this religion to be a Christian religion.
The plates, the mysterious plates with the reformed Egyptian tongue that we don't really know what it is, and then there is of course uh uh similarities there with what we find, for example,
in the 14th degree of the Scottish Rite, that of Grand Elect, Perfect and Sublime Mason, in which the real name of God was lost till it was found by Masons and Gravedon a free cornered gold plate in the ruins of Enoch.
So there is some element.
I mean, Joseph Smith was a Freemason, his main partner was uh Buddy with uh Albert Pike.
Uh we can say that the mystery of Mormonism is in reality uh the mystery of Freemasonry.
Um like I said, when he supposedly uh saw these plates, the spectators of this discovery were two Mormon elders, Marsh and Sharp.
But Smith and his followers founded the city of Nahua, and such were the powers and all the rest.
But then, like I said, he's described by people as being living a life of treason, pro uh prof dishonesty, polygamy, spiritism, because there is also the spiritism element, and we know what spirit is brings you, brings you in contact with the demonic.
It's uh it's sad because then you have people who maybe believe, and they are people who are obviously interested also in the work I've been doing because they have been following my work, as you know, Christy for many years.
This is yeah, they came to um even to in Arizona, they presented themselves, and Christie was quite confused because this was a traditional kind of Mormon with a couple of wives, no?
At least two or three wives.
I just really understand.
I just saw so the the thing is this I throw you down the stairs if you even tried something like that.
Forget the other way.
No, but the the thing is this what is their interest in our work really?
Why did they come all the way from Utah to Arizona?
Because where did we do the conference that time?
And they came from Utah, something like 15 hours, no.
Yeah, it's a long way, it's a long way.
Uh I hope that uh God in some way brings them clarity, and they were very kind, they were very kind people.
I mean, I must I must admit one thing.
They were really kind though.
Yeah, I must admit one thing.
Even the guy I met before, the one the Canadian uh guy with the who interviewed me when I was still in Subiaco and they were all very kind people.
So aside from the And it's rare, I mean, honestly, it's rare to meet anybody kind, even Christians, because everybody is so mean right now.
So I mean, back then, 2019, people were a little bit nicer, but I'm finding it harder and harder to find nice people now.
I mean, everybody seems to be mean, so it seems that they always are in search of recruiting somebody.
I think they were trying to recruit you into the Mormon.
Um some about their prophet, you were trying to they were trying to get you to um promote their prophet.
They had some other prophet, I don't know, they have all these prophets.
Well, of course, uh, but we I mean uh they give so also gave me a bunch of books which I might show one day to our audience, and I don't want to be disrespectful to these people because like Christie said, they were very nice to us, but definitely uh they're very judgy though, very it's it's very important to understand.
Oh, like judgment if if behind the Mormons there is also a glimpse of real Christianity of real believing God.
Uh I hope that they are brought to God in some way.
That's it.
That's the only thing I can say.
The only thing you need is God, you can pray to God, and He'll come if you pray really hard, but you can't you gotta be closer to God than you are, so everybody's gonna get closer to God, everyone do everything you can and get as close as you can to God because that's the only way you're gonna hear them.
So, and you're not gonna hear them, you're gonna feel them.
You don't hear God.
So, there you go.
It makes it very clear, you feel them.
And I hope that this show has brought you some clarity in regards to what the Mormons are.
Uh, like I said, we don't mean any disrespect, we just wanted to bring you, of course, the facts on the Later Day Saint Beliefs, the golden plates, their uh Book of Mormon,
which is the sacred text of fate, their angel moroni, and the whole story that built uh a state that we all, of course, uh have known recently also because uh it was the place where Charlie Kirk was killed,
which is uh kind of interesting if uh we put it in connection with the fact that the CA is so active in that state, and so as there is a lot of suspicions of a deep state participation in the homicide of Charlie Kerk.
Uh well, let's see.
Uh, in any case, guys, continue to support the show, especially through my books.
I will suggest volume 12 for what we discussed today, but also volume 11, because it's also about mind control.
I mean uh at the end of the day, what Joseph Smith did was to pick up certain elements uh of remission, which are discussed in volume 12, are also related to mind control in in his ceremony of endowment.
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Thank you.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And God bless you every day in every way.
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