The Leo Zagami Show - LEO & MICHAEL JACO: "BELLA CIAO" IMPLICATED WITH CHARLIE KIRK'S DEATH IS USED BY SOROS MERCENARIES

Sept. 16, 2025 - The Leo Zagami Show

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LEO & MICHAEL JACO: "BELLA CIAO" IMPLICATED WITH CHARLIE KIRK'S DEATH IS USED BY SOROS MERCENARIES

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	Hello everyone, it's Michael Jacob with Unleash and Intuition Secrets, joined once again by Leo Zagami, the uh Illuminati, you know, revealer, uh, Confessions of Illuminati.
	So you definitely reveal it every time he comes on a show.
	Uh, I talk to people from behind the scenes, they give me little bits and pieces of intelligence.
	When Leo comes on, it's an explosion of intelligence, and he's not hiding it.
	It's been it's amazing.
	So Leo, so so glad to have you on again.
	Uh now you've done a couple articles.
	There was one on the bullet uh that uh the shooter of uh, you know, just recently the assassination that happened.
	Uh I it's I had YouTube come in and take down a video that I did on that.
	So we'll kind of you know be careful how we talk about uh the recent assassination, but uh and also why did you take it down?
	I mean, uh it was hate speech.
	All I was doing was just revealing information, uh and you know, that's that's pretty controlling the narrative, as we know, and that's that's kind of the way you know we try we're the narrative destroyers, uh, and that's why I love to have you on.
	But uh, you know, hate speech.
	I guess uh Pam Bonnie came out and said that anyone that goes after uh I guess the narrative of Charlie Kirk uh and his death is gonna get a visit by the DOJ or they're gonna come after them.
	Well, but it doesn't really look like you will be the typical guy because you are not really a leftist or somebody from that side of the fence.
	So it it really is more to do probably with the YouTube uh and uh with uh the the what's the algorithms of YouTube are dictating probably these days, and like you said, uh following a narrative.
	Now this event that just happened, it really brings us uh to a new level of mind control and manipulation.
	As you know, I published last year a book, volume 11, in which I focused a lot also on what happened in uh Butler, Pennsylvania.
	But at the same time, as uh Trump has just uh uh announced that maybe leftist groups uh uh here in the United States will be designed as terrorists.
	We have to understand that just like uh for volume 10, where the design manipulated uh uh lot is the Muslim fundamentalists, the salafists, which have been manipulated uh in all kinds of ways from Al Qaeda to ISIS.
	We have instead now a new form of terrorism and of manipulated uh uh kind of subjects with an ideology which they manage to uh to manipulate because you see the thing is the puppeteers only need an ideology that triggers people like uh Tyler Robinson who went and killed Charlie Kerk.
	So the fact that now we are in front, and and we saw it in the last few weeks also with the attack on the uh Catholic school by uh transgender.
	I mean, transgenders are mentally uh uh more instable by nature, and so more easy to trigger, just like uh the Muslim fundamentalists.
	So I'm not saying here that uh you know we are in front of a conspiracy of transgenders uh who are hiding on Discord and stuff only, or same could be said for the people who went and did the 9-11.
	They were simply mercenaries of this new world order with uh ideology which was easy to trigger against the system.
	So I think that we are in front of a new uh a new set of people that they can mind control and manipulate, and of course, uh extreme extreme woke ideology seems to be going now into that direction, especially because you know what happened with cancer culture when of course we have people like Joe Biden and Kamala in the White House.
	They were inviting transgenders in the White House, they were even having a transgender showing his uh tits uh in front of the White House alone there in in the garden of the White House.
	So now that they have been uh like uh the that culture is kind of removed from public discourse with the the Trump presidency, they are moving uh instead on the aggressive way, on the aggressive direction.
	And of course, they have the support of also the Jesuites, and uh, like uh you were telling me before we started this show.
	You read, of course, my latest article, which I published four days ago on the on September 12, and it's regarding the Italian phrase written on Tyler Robinson's bullet casing Bella Ciao.
	Now we have seen in the last few days so many lies from the left trying to ascribe this murder to a somebody who was born within a mag family, and so he had to be magic.
	He had to be a right wing guy who simply didn't like Charlie Kirk for no what reason.
	It didn't make sense, it doesn't make sense, and clearly the fact that we have Bella Ciao written on it, and I'm from Italy, so I can confirm that, you know.
	I mean, there is people that uh, of course, here in America don't know what Bella Chao is.
	But Bella Chao has become in the last few decades more and more connected to all those George Soros and now Alex Soros founded groups.
	So it's like from the feminist to the transgender, the LGBT, whatever.
	Everything with Bella Chao is apparently uh and obviously a leftist movement that has picked up on this song that used to be used uh that they claim now uh just to make you understand what Bella Chao is.
	This Bella Choo was in reality born in the 1960s, but they claim that it was sung by the female workers in the fields during the second world war who were supporting the resistance against Benito Mussolini and fascism.
	It's a completely artificial story and tale that doesn't have any base into reality.
	The reality is that in the 60s, when of course uh MK Ultra was uh at uh you know, was pushing all the propaganda and everything that went with it, LSD and uh love, flower power and whatever,
	Italy who was starting to become entrenched in a political war that will, by order of the CA become the strategy of tension, that then in the 70s exploded with uh even a prime minister Aldo Moro who was kidnapped.
	Um they ascribe it to the Red Brigades, but in reality it was Harry Kissinger with C. Pisnik, who took care of this operation on behalf of Kissinger, who got angry because Aldo Moro wanted to do this alliance between the Christian Democrats and the Communist Party,
	and this didn't really work out with what America had built together with their own Masonic forces in Italy since the end of the Second World War to readjust Italy after fascism.
	And so uh there was of course a lot of killings, there was uh, I mean, I was brought up in the 70s, uh, you know, I was born in 1970, so I still remember very clearly the political assassinations, the tension, the tanks in the street, uh it was really a tense situation.
	It was a tense situation that I don't think uh Americans or people who didn't live in Italy understand fully, but it was of course orchestrated by Gladio State Behind Operation, together with the P2 Lodge,
	which of Liscio Gelli, and it became a way for uh the stay behind operations, of course, uh, like I explained also in my books, are an operation built to resist communism at the time the number one enemy.
	But even that was an ideology that could be used.
	So the Red Brigades became the tool for the system to oppress the system.
	For example, I make an example.
	A journalist wrote something against a politician he didn't like that journalist a few days later will be shot in the legs by the Red Brigades with the skills that he was against the proletary and against the real values of the left, and some BS like that.
	Now that is what is happening here.
	It's like the instrumental use of weak people, people that uh suddenly um find themselves believing that uh Charlie Kerke was the ultimate evil.
	Okay, so and this is a little bit like what I also explained in the case of the Muslim fundamentalists.
	Uh it's easy to manipulate people who go with this extreme ideologies.
	Now we uh we we see how the left caught, of course, in inside the situation in which we have seen in the last few days the chapters of Turning Point USA have become from 1000, there is now 36,000 requests by various universities, 36,000.
	That means that just like the wife of Charlie said they don't know what they have unleashed, they they they completely got the opposite result.
	So when I saw that Bella Chao was uh one of the things that this guy had written down on the uh bullet casing,
	I was shocked, but at the same time it was a confirmation because if people read my books, in particular volume eight of my confessions that you have read, of course, you can see that I dedicate a whole page to my own experience.
	My own experience with Bella Chao was a traumatic one.
	I uh at the end of 2013 participated and instigated the um what was known as the revolution of the forconi, the pitchfork civil unrest in Italy that lasted two or three months.
	Okay, we managed to convince initially also the unions to join us, but they quickly jumped off when they saw the pressure, and of course, they got also money.
	Um in the end, everybody was threatened.
	I wasn't giving up.
	The Carabinieri police broke through my door, they picked me and they brought me forcefully into a mental institute, and every morning, because they knew I was somebody who was an anti-communist, they will come into my room and play Bella Chow.
	This song, because Bella Chao is a song, which is like I said, the representative of a culture.
	Not so long ago, during the pandemic, Bella Chow was even played through the speakers of a mosque in Turkey.
	I have the recording of it.
	Wow.
	So now there is a really weird alliance here that we are assisting.
	Yeah, on one side, we have the Muslim extremists, on the other side, you have these people, these people Who will not last two minutes in Gaza?
	They will stone them, they will throw them off a roof.
	But they go around with the, you know, in the tried marches with Gaza and all that.
	Now I'm not saying that what is happening in Gaza is not bad.
	But the thing is that what happened in Gaza was also triggered voluntarily.
	Not so long ago, just two weeks ago, there was confirmation that the Jewish intelligence stepped down that day, that the military who were about to intervene to protect that rave, which was on the border with Gaza, didn't go there.
	So this is what we are dealing with here.
	There is within Israel a Sabbati and Frankist element, which I have denounced in volume 10 of my confessions, as you know in the last chapter, which is the one that was responsible also for the protocols of the sages of Zion.
	Now it's uh it's very difficult for people to understand the dangers of Sabbatian Frankism.
	And I saw, for example, yesterday there was Nick Fuentes who was uh attacking Candice Owen because I must say Candice in the last few months has mentioned more than once the Sabbatian Frankist, and I was pretty surprised.
	Candice was also a friend of Charlie Kirk.
	Yeah, instead, Nick Fuentes went yesterday on X and said, Oh, she talks about the Frankists, she doesn't she doesn't know what she's talking about.
	She wants to take the skin of Brigitte Macron, like in silence of the lambs and become you know a serial killer of sorts.
	I mean, Nick Fuentes is completely insane, he's an individual.
	What happened?
	That's crazy.
	It's completely insane.
	So Bella Chow every morning, I was in this place, locked up for two weeks.
	This doctor will come in with his mobile phone, and Bella Chow in the mobile phone playing, and I couldn't do anything to stop him.
	So one day I managed to uh put on my phone without him knowing, calling a friend of mine and saying, record what you are because I didn't have a recorder on the phone I had there.
	I was like uh they left me just uh an old phone I could call from, you know.
	So I called my friend, and he recorded it.
	He recorded them playing Bella Chow first thing in the morning, every single morning.
	It was like, you know, I explained in volume 11 of my confessions, mind control and how it works.
	My father also even worked with uh MK Ultra in France, so I mean uh uh I had also direct experiences from what uh he he he told me about their experiments and everything else, but uh the crazy thing of having this bella chow played, and it was really like he was laughing while he was playing it.
	This doctor, you imagine you having a doctor wearing a white thing, you know, coming inside and playing it like just to trigger you.
	Yeah, I was through prisoner of war training in the military, and uh they they played over and over songs like that where we're in our little uh it's it's it's like it's like what I explained with Guantalamo Bay in volume eight of my confessions.
	I also explained that uh and and in volume eight in of my confessions, I specifically talk about Bella Chao and I talk about Giuseppe Nicolo, the professor who works also with the Vatican, who is a member of the Tavistock Institute, who conducted this torture because it was torture.
	Yeah, I eventually, through lawyers and everything, managed to get out of there.
	I eventually, thanks to my fate, saved myself, but also thanks to the help of a doctor called Dr. Vento, who basically told me, Leo, just politics is off limits now in Italy, because as soon as you go back into politics, they're gonna lock you up.
	Wow.
	So I said, okay, and like a couple weeks from from when it said that, I took a plane with my wife.
	We came here to California in 2014, and I managed to uh meet through Sean Stone Bradson.
	I published my first books in the English language.
	I had to go back to Italy.
	And in Italy, the persecution continued by those people who love Bella Chao.
	Wow.
	So for me, Bella Chao represents everything that is wrong in this society today.
	First of all, because the song was never sung during the war.
	It was not a resistance song.
	It's an artificial construct, is BS, it's propaganda.
	This song came out in the 60s, and it should be simply treated as a piece of propaganda.
	It worked out for the Italian left.
	So it's almost like they're trying to push this as that narrative.
	Of course, Mussolini was captured and hung in the square.
	Sure.
	So it was okay to kill him because he was a fascist.
	And that's what they're trying to do now.
	But not only, yeah, because then in one of the other casings, it was written, catch a fascist, and then you have also the transgender words in favor of the transgender ideology.
	It's very clear.
	He used the brown shirts to get into power, and they were run by homosexuals, so he killed all the homosexual, saying, Oh, they're homosexuals, you're just gonna kill them off because they're homosexuals.
	So whatever was this uh Hitler used those homosexual until the last the night of the long knives or whatever it was called, in which he killed them all, but he used them, yes, like the transgenders are being used, yes, you know.
	He used them until he could uh you know, he didn't need them anymore, right?
	And so this is gonna happen with these people.
	I mean, if if one day they don't need them anymore, they will be simply taken out of the picture.
	So what is happening here is very clear.
	We have uh a reference, and more than one reference, that this is uh a guy who was brainwashed with leftist ideology.
	We also know that his companion was a transgender.
	We also know that he was active in uh internet forums with other people who were transgenders.
	Uh now everything that is happening at the moment is simply you know, they are investigating how much those people knew before the event, and apparently he even had a note that uh uh that was left at this uh transgender's uh home.
	Um but the crazy thing about it all is the Pope, Pope Leo the 14th, and that's really goes back to what I written in volume 12 of my confessions, because as you know, one of the protagonists of my latest book,
	which is the last of my confession series, is Father James Martin, the head of communications almost of the Vatican, because he's uh the editor of America, the Jesuit Review, and he's the one who has arranged at the beginning of September this pilgrimage of LGBT uh Q,
	whatever, and and their families to Rome, in which uh he brought them to the Pope, he brought them around Rome to all the various Jesuit churches, and this really makes you understand also the evil because Father James Martin,
	when there was the killing of that other transgender who went and killed those innocent two innocent kids and uh injured many others at the opening of the school year in a catholic school, father James Martin on his ex account simply tweeted that two kids were killed,
	and you know, peace be upon whatever, peace and and love, whatever, but it he was not even commenting, he actually retweeted these two were uh They were killed to two Catholic kids without mentioning that the guy responsible was another transgender pervert fueled with demons who even draw in his manifesto of sick
	and twisted because they have each one of these transgenders, usually when they kill, and they can be men or they can be woman.
	We saw him in the schools, they make manifestos who usually are covered the less possible by the media.
	The media tends to hide the manifesto of these assassins.
	Okay, because it will expose the sick woke ideology for what it is.
	So James Martin, instead of apologizing, of saying we have a problem in the LGBTQ, whatever community, transgender community, he went to the Pope with no chalance, and after the just not even a week from the killing that happened there, he just said uh on X, sorry, I'm not gonna be much on X, I'm going to Rome now, and we're all gonna be there.
	And he's very flamboyant himself, Father James Martin.
	And he was immediately received by Pope Leo as soon as he arrived in Rome.
	And uh, and then of course he did his because uh this year is the is a jubileum year.
	So people uh Catholics are um kind of obliged to go to Rome on pilgrimage, and he has organized this big pilgrimage of uh sodomites and transgender and whatever.
	Now, I don't have anything against gay people necessarily, but the problem here is that you need to admit that there is a problem in your community, and if you don't do it, then it becomes a little bit suspicious because we know that the Jesuits are themselves on top of this pyramid of manipulation at a political level,
	they are the ones who have also encouraged uh the open borders, and uh they have condemned uh over and over again uh people like Tom Holman and what uh Trump is doing uh for uh uh for America by finally having uh the the decency of saying that's it,
	we have enough with this open borders and this uh uh policies that are obviously ruining America and making it more unsafe.
	However, we have also another problem.
	Suddenly, with the killing of Charlie Kirk, we seems like uh it disappeared from the discourse nationally, both left and right.
	Nobody's talking anymore about Jeffrey Epstein.
	Now we know that Charlie Kirk definitely was somebody who was not uh, you know, he he wanted to uh be always honest and transparent.
	He might not have been always uh super informed about everything, but Charlie Kirk was an activist who also liked in his shows, uh, you know, his podcasts, his uh radio show, TV show,
	whatever he did, he liked to discuss things, and he was actually very much uh uh interested in the evolution of this whole uh Epstein uh thing, because I mean something strange has happened.
	They it's almost like by going after Epstein and Ghilla Maxwell, they got too close to something that can't be touched, and we discussed this also in our last show, no, Michael.
	Uh, in regards to the Sabbath Frankist, in regards to what uh, and there is definitely a lot more that will come out, hopefully soon that will clear up, maybe, but I mean, it seems like when it comes uh,
	you know, after seeing those those ladies, those victims in front of the Congress, people like Major Taylor Green siding with them, and now suddenly after what happened with poor Charlie, we we we it's it's almost like it has evaporated in thin air.
	What is your thought about that, Megor?
	Yeah, I think there's uh you know, a lot of people that are very suspect, uh, as far as like there's funding seems to be coming from uh Democrat uh party uh for uh this uh Tyler Robinson.
	Uh that they've been pointing that out.
	Uh Cassio Cortez uh is involved with this uh Democrat funding group, also uh ma'am Donnie.
	So uh it's I mean who who benefits who would benefit from Tyler Robinson's uh you know actions, so you have to look at that.
	And it's almost like we go back to what I said earlier, you know.
	You have you know, you have this terrorist because uh I simply called Robinson a terrorist, a terrorist maybe of it, you know, who was brainwashed by his transgender partner.
	That seems pretty obvious.
	His family was a mega family, was a family of patriots of people who love this country, who who actually did broke with this transgender who hated them because this transgender said supported Joe Biden, of course.
	But in a pyramid of manipulation, uh, where do they stand?
	Tyler is not the guy on top, obviously.
	There is other people who have been uh obviously pushing, I mean, triggering these people, and we have, of course, the example of a whole book I made, volume 11,
	you know, triggering these people with complex psyops, complex mind control operations, is part of what uh I mean what came out of that whole experiment with MK Ultra that went on from 1953 to 1973.
	Actually, it started even before with Aftichok, Blue and other projects that uh were conducted before eventually they came out as MK Ultra in 1953, and from that moment onwards they experimented in various ways, you know.
	Uh, they experimented with subcultures, with drugs, with this, that, and all the other.
	So today we have uh the internet, and in fact, when uh the leftists now want to defend themselves, they simply say that Tyler uh Robinson was a victim of the internet, a victim of the of what he found on these forums online, these gamer places like Discord.
	That is of course the excuse, right?
	When instead, you know, it's pretty clear from going back to Bella Chao that this is instead of a much wider terrorist network, Antifa, financed by Soros,
	and uh, and they might get away with it, they might get away with it because it's so compartmentalized this whole thing that in the end, yes, me and you,
	or many others on the internet can come out, you know, can come out with many theories, uh, the guys who were giving strange signals before the shooting, this, that, and all the other uh the the forums online, of course.
	Now the FBI is investigating, uh but it's very difficult to then really wage war against Soros.
	It's not simple.
	Because Soros, and I'm talking about both Alex and his father, have so much stuff against people like Clinton, Obama, and all the other, that they hold this, they hold their Congress and the White House in their pockets, even with Trump there.
	They are still so powerful.
	And that is the problem here.
	Yes, Trump, if you remember, not so long ago, before all this happened, mentioned Soros, and the fact that he wanted to go after him.
	But we have to be very honest here.
	Going after Soros is almost a little bit like here, Michael.
	I remember our last conversation when we discussed also about our friend Nino, who by the way, I will be on his show soon, so we will be discussing things with the Rodriguez a little bit.
	But did anybody arrest Obama?
	No.
	You I mean you're right so far.
	So uh you know, he's he's not in, so I guess the bet's still open.
	No, no, but the thing is not being right or wrong.
	The thing is that these people are untouchable, yeah.
	And so, yes, they can be some threats from one side to the other, some vocal threats, you know, Trump saying this, Obama says that.
	But it's kind of like we are assisting to a theater play in which no real action is gonna be taken between the actors who are on in the theater play because it's a play, they can't be no, and and we are unfortunately the guy, the spectators, the ones who are saying, Oh, yes, that guy, that guy, yes, he's gonna be, you know, he's gonna get it.
	Who is gonna do?
	I don't think so.
	And it's uh uh think about like we had in the last few days, Saturday, an historic event in London, and of course, you know, millions of people.
	The left says 100,000, but of course, the the left is like millions, you know, three million, they go down to 11,000.
	But aside from the numbers, uh, I know London, I lived in London for 10 years.
	I know this uh this town, my mother is from London.
	I know when the streets are full, how many people they are because you know it is almost like my second home, London after Rome.
	So um I I saw these people marching, I saw what is happening in England, and I know that if it gets too dangerous for the system, they have already a way out.
	And you know what is the way out, Michael, send them to war with Russia.
	There you go.
	They've been talking about that quite a bit, so that's that's one reason why people really should rise up and uh push back on this.
	Now, this this one uh Tyler Robinson, yes, yes.
	Well, we know the colleges uh as we're seeing now are indoctrination centers for this.
	Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
	But let's not forget that Trump is on his way to visit King Charles, who is a closet Muslim, who is himself responsible for this state of things in England where most of the of the cities of England are now in the hands of Muslims' mayors.
	Wow, every single major city in England, and I'm not saying only London or Birmingham, every is uh it's uh Islamic mare.
	Wow.
	So here in America, we have six million.
	I I spoke about it as you know in volume 10 of my confessions.
	We have approximately between five and six million Muslims, and they are starting to show uh what uh what they are by taking over whole cities in places like Michigan, both the Sunnis and the Shia has taken different cities, and they are now becoming more and more threatening towards the Christians that are becoming a minority in these cities.
	And this is just to give you an example, because we have a bunch of them also here in California.
	We even have 300,000 of them in Texas.
	We have a bunch of Muslims present here in America who will, of course, greet you with peace and love, you know, peace be upon you and love Allah and all the rest.
	But in reality, once they become the majority, they start imposing their sharia, their rules.
	And of course, uh, Tommy Robinson has sacrificed all his life for this cause.
	I don't care what Nigel Farage says about him.
	I think that Tommy Robinson, he might be the typical English bloke or lad, however you want to call him, you know, from the uh from the states there, from from the poor, let's say from the poorest part of England, you know, the council estates, uh how they call them.
	And he is though very much loved in England at the moment.
	He has a large following, also because he has passed so how many uh years he has spent in prison.
	Yeah, sacrificing his own life like a true political martyr to the cause, just like Charlie uh became a martyr, he uh Robinson is on his way to become one.
	I hope he never gets killed.
	But you know, that is a possibility.
	The fact that now Trump goes to visit uh Charles, and he doesn't visit Tommy Robinson.
	The fact that we have Prince Andrew involved with Epstein, yeah.
	The fact that, and I'm sorry to say that because Trump does a great things also for this country, but they are all compromised.
	Every single one of them, left, right, center of the political arena, they are all compromised.
	Wow.
	So you're you're moving that direction.
	So I know that um, you know, there's not a whether me moving, we are moving as we are moving as a human species towards a situation in which, of course, I uh you know, I realize that, for example, uh Elon Musk has said uh very he said we have to fight, otherwise, you know, that's it, you have to fight, you know.
	But everybody seems to have a level of compromise in this fight, and uh and so, yes, we are drawn into this theater, like we said a moment ago,
	of politics with actors playing their roles, but it's very difficult that we really get to some real change that will affect us positively, and it's sad.
	I mean, the the thing that I can confirm is positive about the Trump administration is of course the security against the crime, uh, these illegal immigrants.
	I mean, we are talking here about uh uh visible changes.
	I mean, in Palm Springs, uh, where I live, every evening we had three or four robberies.
	Now we don't have even one.
	We had shootings almost every night at one point under the Joe Biden administration.
	Now I never hear a gunshot.
	These are concrete changes, and I thank the president for making that possible.
	Um I would like to also have maintained the other promises.
	And the Epstein case was on my priority list.
	And if it affects powerful people and donors of Trump, I don't care.
	So people need to be a little bit more objective about uh this uh whole farce that we are living around us, everybody's compromise, from A to Z. And there is a level of compromise in each one of the people who are in charge of other people.
	Otherwise, they will probably not let them.
	You know, you will you will not even be allowed to vote if that was really something that will change drastically the situation.
	You understand what I mean here.
	Yeah.
	It's sad, but we have to be honest, you know.
	And so I uh you know, I always try to bring.
	I mean, Charlie Kirk was somebody who was bringing change in the universities.
	Now, since the end of the 60s, as I also explained in my book, the universities have been plagiarized and have gradually become recruiting centers for this leftist ideology, and that's it.
	You can't have anything else on campus.
	When I arrived here in 2019, I want to say which university, but a university of Northern California, very big university.
	There were some guys who invited me there to do a speech.
	I was organizing myself.
	I was looking forward to it.
	After a month, they came back to me and they said, we don't have the security, we can't risk, we have too much criticism on campus to have you on, and so it was cancelled.
	Charlie was trying to do something really positive with his uh prove me wrong tour.
	The fact that you can finally bring a dialogue, but it seems that unfortunately uh the the right uh the conservative faction wants to dialogue,
	the other part doesn't want to dialogue, they have their mind set, you know, Leo Zagam is a fascist, Trump is a fascist, the other guy's a Nazi, the other, you know, Elon Musk is a Nazi, the guy is doing their everybody's uh an extremist, and they are the great ones is insane.
	I mean, it's it doesn't make any sense.
	We we are honoring today, I think, with this show also the memory of Charlie Kirk by really being honest about everything, about the fact that you know everybody now, even Israel with Netanyahu wants a piece of Charlie's legacy,
	but we know that uh Israel is compromised because the very foundation of Israel was compromised, and it's not me saying it, but the people who studied, like Rabbi Anterman, the late Rabbi Antheman, who was the guy who excommunicated Henry Kissinger and explained the dangers of the Sabbath and Frankist in the modern era,
	and at the same time, we have the Jesuits, we have Pope Leo, who is a Pope who is supposed to be Christian, and in reality, he didn't really say much about what happened in that Catholic school with that transgender,
	the transgender thing wasn't mentioned, he simply mentioned the fact there were two children who died, and of course, everything is to blame on the guns, the guns, the guns, the guns, the second amendment is to blame for all the problems of the United States of America.
	When we know, and this is something that I wrote also in volume 11, that since the 1950s, parallel to MK Ultra, we had the birth of all those anti-depressants that are also a big problem today for the youth.
	And Charlie Kirk was really a guy who was bringing the natural, the conservative values back to people who are really confused, who when they get some, you know, if if in California a child is confused about this uh sexual identity,
	uh, is playing with the doll instead and soldiers at eight or nine years old, they would basically castrate him and made it and make him change his sex without even the consent of his parents.
	Crazy.
	And this is something that Charlie Kirk was against, of course.
	Charlie Kirk debated Newsom.
	He debated him on that idiotic podcast that Newsom has created.
	But Charlie Kerk wrote very clearly that Newsom should apologize for failing to uh deport illegals from California.
	Creating all this decline in the cities that are looking worse and worse each day.
	Apologize for bankrupting this state of California.
	This is what Charlie Kirk said, not me.
	Charlie Kirk said that Newsom should apologize for allowing men in girls' locker room and sports.
	Charlie Kerr says that Newsom should have apologized to those who lost their homes in Los Angeles fires, because nowadays that situation has not really been solved in any way, shape, or form.
	And Charlie Kerk also said that Newsom should apologize for refusing to address the housing crisis in California, which is one of the worst in decades.
	And of course, Charlie Kirk asked Newsom to apologize for ruining this great and beautiful state, the great state of California.
	Will the Californians realize this?
	Probably not.
	Probably not because here the Mexicans are taking over the show.
	Because if we see the Baptists or whatever Methodist church with the black preachers condemning a guy who is being killed, even if that happens in other state, but here in California, there is unfortunately a bunch of people who think that you know maybe Newsom can be the solution.
	When Newsom in reality has ruined the state, and if he becomes president of the United States, God forbids in the future, he will completely ruin the whole of the United States.
	And so we are when I uh saw what was happening in Los Angeles during the riots and stuff that uh happened recently because of ice.
	Who were the activists who were fomenting them?
	Jesuits.
	People in this book, people who have created basically this very clever way of manipulating the immigrant.
	They have their own NGOs, they bring them here, then they of course work for the gangs, and then once they are they have finished their career in the gangs, they clean them up with a project so they can be then put back into society as respectable citizens.
	Even the worst scambags who has killed 20 or 30 people who has brought drugs and done the worst crimes.
	The Jesuits have created an organization in Los Angeles that serves as a filter to reinject these people in our society.
	This is this is sick.
	The whole thing is sick.
	I mean, and of course, I mean, uh I think that is pretty clear here.
	You know, when uh when I see the phrase Bella Chow, I see what I escaped in Europe.
	At the moment is a hellhole, is a place that doesn't have any future.
	Is you know, kind of like is in between America, China and Russia.
	What are we gonna do with this European Union?
	You know, you have uh Ursula von der Leyen, whose father was a Nazi apologize apologist who were who worked for the European community, the father of Ursula von der Leyen was a guy who used every moment he could, and you can go and find this information, it's not secret information, just go on the Wikipedia.
	He was an azi apologist.
	He actually said that they did great things.
	So it's insane how uh the the fourth Reich, you remember I talked about the Fourth Reich in volume seven of my confessions, because it's all connected and not then with Klaus Schwab, with uh the great Reset, with uh Davos, with the Bilderberg Club.
	I explained in this book, volume 12, as you know, how the Bilderberg Club was created after the war by a Jesuit disciple, who was also Sabbatian Frankist, who went to Rome to become a Jesuit, but didn't feel he wanted to go further and taking the Jesuit vow, so he took directly what I call the fifth bow.
	And people of the fifth vow are people like Governor Newsom.
	When did Newsom go to school?
	The Jesuits.
	Wow.
	And uh and people like Nancy Pelosi, who they worked for facilitating uh the deal uh between uh the Vatican and China.
	The Jesuits uh he worked for the Jesuits.
	Nancy Pelosi.
	So I mean, it's like the Jesuits are known to have three vows and a fourth vow of complete obedience to the Pope.
	Then you have people outside of the order who take the fifth vow.
	They are like the secret agents of the Jesuits from who are who don't formally belong to the order, but belong to the order in a secret way, like for example, Governor Newsom.
	And and and so the fact how you identify a possible candidate to a fifth vow of the Jesuits.
	Well, it's very simple.
	Usually they are former seminarians, they have gone to a Jesuit school.
	We know that the Jesuits have a lot of influence in the school system.
	Here in California, they told me, and this is not me who said it by Professor Amamoto, who I often go to, I don't know if you know him.
	I often go to his show as a guest, and he was a professor here for many years in Southern California.
	He told me, Leo, it's not only the Jesuite universities, you know, like Georgetown, whatever you the one for them, the ones you know.
	Here in California, they control every single university.
	So when you tell me, and you said that a few moments ago at the beginning of this interview, we have a problem with the education in the university.
	Who do you think is educating them this way?
	Jesuits.
	They are the ones who are pushing all this perversion, all this sick ideology, and they are the ones who should be stopped, but nobody's gonna stop them because they're way too powerful.
	Because they the only way to stop them would be, like I suggested in my lady's book, if we simply you know, we declare them a bunch of terrorists, kick them out of the of the United States, and and and like it happened in the because this happened in the 1770s and 1760s and 1750s.
	At the time, the Portuguese and Spanish Empires, which, as you know at the time were very powerful, identified the problem in the Jesuit order.
	So at the end, they started to expel them from their countries, even from South America, where they were very powerful, and at the end they went to the Pope and said, either you expel them, or we're gonna give up on Catholicism altogether.
	So the Pope was forced to make a uh an official document, kicking them out of the Vatican, and they Were kicked out of the Vatican until they came back only a few decades later.
	Did they get weaker?
	No.
	Unfortunately not.
	They became even stronger because they got kicked out of the Vatican and then they went under the protection of the Empress of Russia.
	They actually stayed in certain territories which were like now the territories that you find, like Poland, Lithuania, and these territories, the Jesuit presence was still very strong.
	The Russians basically protected them.
	Even if they were orthodox, they didn't care about the Empress simply said, okay, you give me a nomination for the general, and I make a general Russian, and I'm happy with that.
	And so she was happy with the general of the Jesuits who was Russian.
	And so that's it.
	It was all solved.
	But the interesting thing about all this is that most of the problems of today's world emanate from a specific area of the world.
	Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, And that part of Russia, because that was all Russia back in the days, apart from those areas very important historically, Michael.
	And they're very important historically because of course Jacob Franco was born in Ukraine.
	Madame Blavatsky was born in Ukraine.
	They will not exist today, modern Satanism without those areas, in which we have this really sick kind of twisted uh Jesuits, Sabbati and Frankis, and all those mixed in together.
	Where do you think that Jeffrey Epstein comes from?
	Where do you think that Gilem Marx will come from?
	Where do you think all these people come from?
	It's is it's it's uh unfortunately one doesn't want to be racist, but uh uh then you have to understand why it's all coming from this area?
	What's happening there?
	That is so why we have Zelensky, who is a guy who is born talking Russian, who now talks Ukraine and wages war against Russia and wants to bankrupt the whole of the world because Europe going after him is gonna become bankrupt.
	But at the same time, Europe might use Ukraine as a solution, like I said in regards to Great Britain, Great Britain and the United Kingdom has a big problem.
	But the moment in which the problem is gonna get to level now, for example, after Tommy Robinson's success on Saturday, the level might be at uh I don't know, eight.
	But let it become ten, that the Tommy Robinson aficionados start rioting across England.
	Well, the Prime Minister with the king is here to announce you that we are in war with Russia and we will have to send all of you to war and back to the trenches, because every time there is a problem, we have a war for you.
	Just to send out all the it seems to wait because they send you send us to war.
	Yeah, we saw like not just in the UK, but we saw in France, we saw in uh Australia, New Zealand, even South Korea.
	We saw uh you know, pretty much pushback against the system.
	Uh, do you think this is gonna gather speed, or do you think if they're just gonna put I mean I mean, we when you see, for example, the South Koreans saying we are Charlie Kirk, uh, when you see the South Koreans rebelling against the leftist uh of South Korea,
	or or the or we see, for example, more and more influence from North Korea into South Korea, and the Americans have to lose their influence in a place where you know strategically they have their basis, and it's very important.
	Well, in that case, I'm sure that Kim Jong-un, hi Kim, can you please uh shoot a couple of those missiles to create a little bit of tension?
	I mean, if Kim Jong-un and the family of Kim Jong-un, the father, the grandfather, and the whole dynasty has been uh kept there in that strategic position after a war which saw the death of many Americans in Korea and the sacrifice of many Americans.
	It is because nowadays uh it is strategically important to have him as a cushion between Russia, China, and Russia and China are of course the great players also in this game.
	So I think that uh we are always uh in a new world order that is uh you know manifesting now with maybe new players, but it's always an order.
	And so if we're going from America to the Sino-Russian new world order, because when people, for example, the Chinese a few weeks ago said uh in Beijing, we want a multipolar world order.
	That's BS.
	Come on, the Chinese multipolar is not a multipolar, it's a Chinese-led new world order together with Russia, and it's a Sino-Russian world order.
	All those people, you know, the fact that uh they promote it as a multipolar world order, saying, Oh, America is not the one that can lead this new world order anymore.
	We have to have a multipolar.
	Do you believe in that, Michael?
	Do you believe?
	I mean, the Chinese are building the army of the Antichrist as we speak.
	They are building an army of robots in each of the uh Chinese households, where cyber Satan, and you know, I wrote three books that uh including volume 9, but also volume 7 and volume 6 on the subject of cyber Satan.
	Now we are going regardless of uh of what uh is uh happening now, the biggest transformation for mankind is to do with artificial intelligence and robotics.
	Now this guy, for example, here uh in this article, I showed how the Italians, uh the Italian prime minister got upset because two university organizations in Italy have posted something against Charlie Kirk after he died,
	saying minus one, and saying for those who who who know, because they are brainwashed, but this brainwashing, uh this programming of this new uh woke transsexual assassins or uh brainwashed by transsexual, are we sure that all this is not really directed by the AI?
	You know, they talk about oh, we have to investigate now, Discord, this, that, and all the other.
	But how easy is today for Chat GPT 4 to program an assassin?
	Because we have evidence that Chat GPT 4 has led to the death of people, but uh uh maybe people like uh this Tyler Robinson were brainwashed online by bots, because we don't know how realistic some of you know you are talking with somebody on Discord, or you're talking of somebody online, but is he a bot, or is he a real person?
	And so all this uh, in regards to the ideology, of course, the Sikh ideology, the element of Belishia.
	And sticking with that sick ideology is the German Mauser, which was World War I, World War II, German Nazi weapons, so uh you know, they're sticking to the narrative.
	Absolutely, it goes very well with that narrative, no?
	Uh, that you know, uh in this case, was used to uh diabolical effect.
	I mean, one single, and the guy was definitely very disciplined in the way he operated.
	But why he was so disciplined?
	Because now we see he was you know, somebody who was playing day and night with games that basically video games that are programming these assassins because uh the moment in which you become a good fighter on one of these video games,
	and you are ready, then they come inside you know one of those chat rooms on Discord and they say, Ah, yes, you should do it, yes, go for it, and also catch a fascist and write down also Bella Chow, and write down also something uh because of the transgender su this uh you know,
	we know that uh uh both Pete Hexet and Trump have been very much against the presence of transsexual transgenders, uh track queens within the military, and this is uh happened recently, it didn't happen a year ago, it happened in the last month.
	If you go and see the the timeline, no, and then suddenly we have Charlie Kirk being killed after a question that regards the trans mass shooters, so it is of course now at the moment,
	of course, it is a moment in which everything is being investigated, but it seems like for the terrorism of the future, we will have on one side the Muslims, the Muslims like the ones who yesterday put three bombs under a ban of Fox News.
	Oh, I didn't know that.
	Fortunately, it didn't work, the bombs didn't work, it will have been a real tragedy.
	But this and and we go and see today on the news, almost nothing about it.
	Yeah, nothing about the fact that these are Muslims, so you have you know, there is like the Jesuits are controlling the media, like you like you said, they control everything, so that's funny.
	Absolutely, but the interesting thing here is that they are choosing categories that are almost untouchable.
	I mean, me and you can't talk badly about the transgender or the Islamic category because we are talking about minorities which are overly protected, right?
	So we have to be very careful how we mention them, otherwise they come and they say, Michael Jacob hate speech, or real Zagami hate speech.
	Yep, and so you see that uh this is uh kind of very frightening that uh because uh in the future uh the censorship might grow even more and become uh you know, like we saw what happened during the pandemic today.
	Oh, yeah, after the election of Donald J. Trump, we are capable of talking freely.
	The algorithms are not present anymore, so we can talk freely about the vaccines, we can talk freely about the reason for this pandemic, uh, the origins of it, and you will not be notified by the algorithm at the end of your show with a warning or your video being removed, but this might happen for other things, no.
	So we are always in that kind of position, and it's very sad that uh that we are uh in a position uh like this that we have to fear of being deplatformed, fear of being censored and losing also a way for us to uh to make our living, yeah.
	So this is uh Pambandi, there's free speech, and then there's hate speech.
	We will absolutely go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, and then you have Charlie Kirk uh posted this was back in um 5224.
	hate speech does not exist legally in America.
	There's ugly speech, there's gross speech, there's evil speech, and all of it is protected by the First Amendment.
	Keep America free.
	I want to share with you an article also in regards to what I said uh earlier.
	I'm gonna put it on your thing so you can share it from my this is what happened yesterday.
	Oh, the day before, actually.
	That was Fox near campus where Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and nobody's talking about it.
	Wow.
	And the guys are Muslims.
	So another one of the LGBTQ plus the Muslim.
	Now you said it earlier in the stuff in show, and I thought it was very perfect.
	I never heard you say that, but it really resonated with me.
	And you said that they take these extremist groups like this because they're easily controllable.
	I was like, nailed it.
	Yeah, no, it is it is, you know, and and plus it doesn't matter if uh these groups uh ideologically are at the opposites, because in the end we have seen uh how paradoxal the situation is uh when you have people marching at the pride with uh Gaza uh talking about free Palestine when we know that in the Muslim world they don't accept the LGBTQ in any shape or form,
	and that uh so it doesn't really make any sense, logically doesn't make any sense, but these minorities, because like I said a moment ago, they are overly protected, they become the ideal candidates for becoming the mercenaries of the new world order, they are untouchable, yeah.
	You can't criticize them that way they can infiltrate, that's good, yeah.
	So we are in a very best place at the moment as conservatives, as people who are God-fearing people who want to actually continue to raise our families in a traditional way, because uh on in one in one way we see that we have like uh the Muslims who are only accepting their own as you know the traditionals uh of the situation,
	but uh on the other side you have these guys with this woke extremist ideology, uh, who who are basically pushing uh uh all this uh the gender transitioning uh people from uh when they are kids, and also uh the fact that they can adopt children, these people can adopt children.
	Let's not forget that.
	There is transgenders that can adopt children, children will grow up mentally confused, to say the least I mean, it becomes you know, it becomes really confusing then for for a child who is uh growing,
	and on top of this the next level of uh because you know the transgender thing uh is leading somewhere else, and I explained this in my book, it's leading towards transhumanism, transhumanism meaning that soon people will start transforming their bodies,
	adding elements that are exterior, no, and then we will have a transformation of the human being in something completely different, you will be integrating the machine, and then you will have the robot brothels,
	you will have the cyber prostitution that is completely another level of insanity in which you have you know uh people who would be drawn to go with the robots, or with the transhumans who are kind of like a mix of because let's not forget another detail in this whole chat.
	Yeah, no, but let's not forget that this guy who was uh with Tyler Robinson.
	It's not only a transgender, it's a fury for fairy transgender.
	Somebody who dresses up as an animal.
	Oh, Jesus.
	Oh god.
	That's yeah, that's the plus side, I guess.
	Wow.
	That is very plus, yes.
	Now we are going into uncharted territory because dressing up as animal.
	Next level, keep going.
	Let's see how far we go with this.
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	Yeah.
	And then you know, you're gonna start inserting elements in your body that are external, and people are gonna start transforming themselves in these animals.
	I'm I'm really sorry for the people that come after us in the year 2060.
	They must probably they go around and in the major cities, and there is people monsters going around things that we can't call human beings, but beware of not calling them human beings because they are a minority protected, and you will lose everything you ever have if you even mention them.
	Oh, you're a racist.
	The guy's a fairy, he's dressing up, uh, he's half uh I don't know what, and he's transhuman and he has you know, maybe a head with a thing coming out like that, and another thing coming out like you have to accept it in the name of inclusivity, uh so I mean at the end, it's like uh uh this society.
	Uh maybe Major Taylor Green today wasn't so wrong when she said that we should go for a peaceful divorce in our national discourse.
	Meaning that at one point, if we see that uh, you know, there is half of the population wants to continue experimenting and going towards hell and the abyss of hell.
	Well, let them go there, and we might retain what is left of our uh you know lives in a different context by living uh in a separate state, because then that's the problem here.
	The union for these people is becoming a problem.
	Either they want to take us over and force us into their sick belief system where anything goes, but are we capable of resisting?
	Now, I think that the good thing, the only good thing that came out of Charlie Kirk's uh sacrifice because he's indeed a martyr of the cause is that he has planted the seeds of transformation within the young people,
	the young people that finally say we had enough with all these monstrosities, we want to go back to some uh uh normal, I don't even say conservative, I just I'm just saying common sense, totally because it's it's not a question of of conservative, I mean it's called common sense, yes, human beings, yes, as human beings.
	So I think that that uh is the positive thing that Charlie did uh that they will always be remembered for.
	Uh I'm very sad that I didn't go this year.
	I was invited at Turning Point uh USA and friends uh from mutual friends of Charlie wanted me there, and they were really eager to have me there next year and to meet Charlie.
	I didn't manage, I didn't have this great uh possibility and honor because he he definitely was a person that we should honor with uh all our respect also in future in the future, not only now when it's you know just happened and everybody's talking about, yeah.
	Because everyone that came up to speak, he honored them, you know.
	He he didn't down or didn't yell at them, or you know, the guys who actually are wrong, he just like you know, talk common sense to them, you know.
	The guys who wanted once they got common sense, they stumble they couldn't couldn't speak anymore.
	It was it was great.
	You say it, but the crazy thing about you know, I mean, I did uh maybe one uh conference in Arizona, and these friends of Charlie came there, And they were not uh white supremacist guys, they were actually Mexicans who Charlie really treated as equals, and they said we never saw any racism from Charlie Kirk.
	Never, yeah, with blacks, with Mexicans, with anybody.
	So, you know, when you are creating this demonic fake reality of uh, you know, he was a white racist supremacist, this, that, and all the other, it's just unacceptable.
	This is unacceptable for his memory, and uh, we have seen also what happened with that uh 19-year-old who were the same t shirt as Tyler Robinson, who went and thrashed the memorial in front of Turning Point USA, and one wonders if this t shirt has part of a network, yeah.
	Definitely, I believe it is, and and and and then what about all these transgenders who are behind it, uh, who apparently had previous knowledge in chat rooms on the internet uh and and I mean it is like you know,
	I I mean, is maybe too early to say that we can talk about a transgender terrorist cell, but it's very highly suspicious, and uh and and we have to pray that some sanity comes uh comes out of all this insanity,
	because uh Charlie was a guy who went into the university and dialogue with these people, he wasn't going there with a gun pointed at these people saying you are different and you are sick in your head.
	He was actually challenging them intellectually, asking them why do you do it?
	Critical thinking, yeah, you know, saying something.
	I remember one thing he said that uh stuck uh to me once he was in a university.
	I remember seeing the video, he said uh one transgender went to him and he said, but do you think if I wear a sombrero and I talk with a Mexican accent, I would become Mexican.
	Well, dressing up as a woman doesn't make you a woman.
	I thought, you know, the way also he he brought a little bit of sense of humor into the discourse, it wasn't so heavy, it wasn't so yeah, it's gonna be very difficult.
	I think for me to find maybe a successor to his legacy.
	I mean, who would want to step up?
	I mean, looks like they're gonna like just start taking people out now.
	So that's that's kind of a big threat.
	A lot of a lot of people have, you know, are so absolutely.
	It's a big threat, it's a bit grisk.
	And I tell you this from my own experience when I was uh uh let's say politically exposed in Italy.
	I mean, it is a danger for you for your family, and in the end, I was forced into leaving Italy, as you know, because uh, I mean, I didn't want my family, my wife, or my family back in Italy to be further exposed to these threats,
	so uh in the end, it's a very courageous thing to do, but at the same time, you can do it if you have the possibility of uh employing your own security detail, which is a lot of money, yes.
	When I went to the Italian police, and I said I had received threats from Mafiosi because of what I wrote in my books about the connections between the mafia, the Nrangheta Mafia, especially in Calabria and the Vatican and Freemasons, and of course, they were threatening me, you know, they were uh I I exposed even mafioses who were in Masonic Lodges.
	Well, uh, at that point, the when the police told me they couldn't give me protection, and these are people who I knew in the police, you know, yeah, and they said, Leo, but we can't give you protection.
	Well, uh, I said, okay, fine, and I have to leave.
	It's not I can't afford a security detail 24 hours a day, and it's a very expensive thing.
	And I'm sure that uh now nowadays is gonna be also uh influencing uh the political discourse because if you candidate uh yourself to go to Congress now you uh and you do it with the wrong party, which is basically the Republican fact in the eyes of these people, you will have to be protected.
	I mean, I'm very worried for Major Taylor Green at the moment.
	I think that amongst all the politicians that they are at the moment, she is the more exposed.
	And I tell you also why, because she's been very open about the Epstein case and about supporting the girls uh who went there in front of uh um who went to talk to Congress and stuff.
	She was very, you know, very adamant that she will take no uh you know, no criticism even from her own party or from the president who she knows, she was just so I'm a little bit scared for major tailgame because she needs to have a 24 hour security protection detail that can protect her for sure.
	Definitely so let's see what happens.
	I mean I mean Charlie Kirk had a protective detail that didn't work out so good.
	So uh it didn't work out, and I I tell you one thing that I was very surprised.
	Now, when uh uh I collaborated and I was present uh here in Coachella with um Trump for his speech, he did uh it was over 100,000 people that happened after the uh the the assassination attempts of uh the assassination attempt of Butter Pennsylvania,
	and uh uh they had this uh uh cord up in the air for like 150 meters with a special drone with four cameras.
	It was so it was a drone that was not moving because it was anchored to the to the ground, and I was surprised that a security detail like the one of uh Charlie Kirk didn't have any drones because with a drone, you could have got that guy immediately.
	Well, it looked like somebody showed a picture, it looked like there was a drone, but uh I've I've been to some of these events, security and so forth, and uh they actually put out an EMP electromagnetic poll so that drones can fly over certain areas, yeah.
	But uh but I mean what you're talking about was wired, was wired, it had it could do that, yes.
	But they'll they'll put up an EMP of uh cordon around uh then.
	So we did that when I did work concerts and so forth, outdoor concerts.
	Yeah, but nowadays, of course, with this kind of technology at disposal, the fact that the guy, after what happened in battle, Pennsylvania can go and stand there in the same way and shoot at somebody.
	I mean, in in the same almost the identical, uh, you know, I mean, if Trump just didn't turn around, he will have got been got in the neck in the same way, you know.
	So, I mean, it's it's I think it's uh probably traumatic for Trump himself, but uh then we have to understand here uh Charlie Kirk's death, is it a death that has served a purpose for the system, and that is that is a very sad realization when you see that at the moment it it has kind of completely changed the discourse
	at a national level, sure.
	And and and then also we need to understand where we want to go from here.
	I mean, as a as a nation, uh, if this uh this uh battle of words of the internet, the internet definitely the social networks have amplified the people's faults.
	This is the first time in human history that we have this kind of thing happening.
	We have basically everybody with a platform today to say basically whatever they want, and so it creates though within the families, even uh people, you know, like for example, uh, we have so many families that have been broken down by the situation,
	like uh uh people not invited for Thanksgiving because they support Donald J. Trump, or uh the uh the you know, and other people uh maybe for other reasons, you know, everything becomes uh definitely amplified, it's not anymore what uh the the kind of world we used to live in.
	But the the at the moment I think that a civil war is still not realistic, though there is a lot of talk for it, there is a lot of talk on it uh of it.
	Polymarket gives the civil war only 3%, which is not a very high percentage.
	And we know the polymarket always gets it.
	They go there for the presidency.
	99% of the time, I would say.
	So 3% still means that we can be a little bit tranquil.
	However, it's true that we are heading into that direction and that, you know, it's like we see.
	Charlie Kirk as a more a turning point.
	He actually, you know, the name he gave to his organization really reflects now what is happening.
	But the problem is here either we go towards what Charlie wanted, which is the dialogue of the opposites, something that every university should have, because universities have always been since the beginning uh places where people were encouraged to give their own ideas and dialogue with others who have different ideas.
	But when universities and the present Jesuit mafia, which I denounced in volume 12, only want you to embrace one ideology, yeah.
	It becomes uh very difficult then to to and so I think that the the 36,000 requests for new chapters for turning point, the fact that the young people we have seen in the last few days uh praying for Charlie, being more involved in politics in a positive way.
	Um maybe his sacrifice somehow will be uh leading to something positive for the newer generations.
	I hope that Michael, I don't know how you view it.
	Oh, yeah, definitely.
	I think it's a good there's there's and this is a great way, uh you know, the end is on a positive note that yes, we can you know see this in a in a positive light because it is moving in a positive light.
	All the demonstrations we've seen around the world, uh you know, all the new chapters that are being requested to be opened.
	Uh so the dialogue uh is going to start to move in a better direction.
	I think uh think we're gonna see some good things from this.
	Absolutely.
	It's sad though that for example uh the mayor of LA has refused to fly the flags, half staff.
	Yeah, same thing in university in New York, they they refuse to fly half staff too.
	And and and who are these people?
	They are Jesuit products, they are communists, Marxists, they are people who have this uh uh the this this sick ideology in their minds, and so it we have like I said, positive things coming out of it, but I think it's for the young people who are not so brainwashed who haven't had like decades of this brainwashing to maybe change things and follow the dialogue and
	the example of Charlie Kirk.
	Yeah, so thank you so much for having me on because I think that today our conversation has brought people to the realization that we still have to find common ground, even with the people who don't think in the same way.
	I mean, I know that the Democratic Party of 30 or 40 years ago is not the democratic party of today.
	I know that the people though who have transformed that democratic party are those people who unfortunately were the extremists from the end of the 1960s onwards, from the black panthers to the Marxist of the worst kind,
	for the people who of course embrace Bella Chow, who we today discussed at the opening of the show, this uh uh song that uh they claim was used to to sing against fascism in Italy and oppose Benito Mussolini.
	Complete artificial construct, complete lies, but that's what often happens in this uh situation.
	Uh, the truth in a war, even in a war of words, seems to be uh the the first victim of the whole discourse.

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