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	Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Leo Zegami Show with Leo and Christie, MAGA Counter Connecticut Warfare, episode 48, not episode 47, which goes along with the president number 47.
	Now we have a really reach new levels of insanity this week because of course I think the president calling all his supporters stupid for wanting to know more about Jeff Phillips and is really not a good thing.
	But we wanted to interact with you today.
	So we are giving the possibility for those interested in participating in a live debate on Facebook, Ramble, X and YouTube.
	Of course, if they're interested.
	If not, we just talk about Annabelle, the haunted doll.
	That's okay.
	That's okay.
	I don't think you're talking about Annabelle the Haunted Doll.
	No, I must say that that's been one of the most dark, the darkest topics of this week.
	Because the guy, Dan Rivera, who was bringing around this doll, suddenly dies while he's in Gettysburg.
	This doll has been around for a few months and since he's been touring, it should never have been let out of this museum between Bracketts, where it was since the 1970s.
	And when you are bringing along a demon in tour, things happen.
	I mean, like they broke out of a jail in New Orleans.
	Now we see this guy dying.
	But then there was an alarm suddenly.
	All the, you know, the Amber alert for Annabelle the dog.
	Insane.
	Absolutely insane.
	But most of all, guys, today I wanted to open with a citation after Christy Tessa.
	Where are sponsors today, Christy?
	Daniel Estes and Algorizada Minza and everybody that bought the book this week.
	It wasn't that many, but for those who bought the book, we are still here, guys.
	And if you want to help us out, go find me or cash up.
	You can find our cash up handle at riosegami.com.
	Where instead this on the screen is our go find me.
	Now, Christi, I would like you to read a citation from the nephew of Sigmund Freud, Edward Bernays, because he was the original theorist who really trained people who shouldn't have been trained on how to control this herd.
	This herd that is constantly brought to fight against each other, you know, politically or follow a particular herd of people?
	Yeah, are we cattle?
	Everybody is part of this imaginary cattle.
	And I would like you to cite what he said here.
	The whole thing from the from here.
	Okay, Edward Bernays, Freud's nephew, who was trained with Walter Littman at the Wellington House Psychological Warfare Unit in World War I, wrote in his 1928 book entitled Propaganda, The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in a democratic society.
	Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government, which is the true ruling power of our country.
	We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed.
	That's how it is, guys.
	We are brought around and controlled more than what we think.
	And so volume 11 of my confessions explains all this, the past, present, and future of mind control from Sun Tzu to MKUltra and beyond.
	And all this so-called political turmoil is part of it.
	I published an article this week of a certain interest that concerns Jeffrey Epstein and the fact that he's also behind that hideous Sophia the robot, not the doll, but the robot, even more demonic.
	And actually, Christy is going to be reading now part of this article, which I entitled Cyber Satan Harvard and Sophia the Robot behind the hidden darkest secret of Jeffrey Epstein.
	Nobody's talking about.
	So, Christy, can you please read this?
	Can you make it bigger?
	Okay, I will make it bigger for you.
	Thank you.
	Okay, NBC has recently stated no other issue has tested the MAGA's base commitment to Trump like the Epstein files.
	Everybody is talking about the late Jeffrey Epstein these days with the serious possibility of a massive rupture in Trump's government and the MAGA movement over the crisis if Trump doesn't over this crisis if Trump doesn't turn things around.
	In essence, for those who have been on another planet in the last few days, the recent news about Epstein is dominated by the non-release of the alleged Epstein files by the Justice Department and the FBI's official review of the findings on the case.
	That represents for the first time Trump's administration has officially contradicted conspiracy theories about Epstein's criminal activities.
	The whole debatacle has resulted in an obvious backlash from a good chunk of the MAGA world and Trump's supporters, who rightly demand transparency and continue to question the official narrative surrounding Epstein's mysterious death and the existence of an alleged client list.
	Now, the important thing here is that we are asking you also to intervene today as part of this debate.
	So let's go immediately and answer somebody who says thoughts on ETs being a part and controlling government in the world.
	Well, I mean, that is a subject that I will leave maybe for another episode altogether.
	But in reality, in volume seven and in volume nine of my confessions, I explain how artificial intelligence is connected to ETs, to those UFOs, to that reverse engineering.
	And it's very interesting the connection of Jeffrey Epstein with this word, because he went on from being a nobody who didn't even finish the university, but suddenly was a professor of mathematics in the middle of the 70s in New York, then goes on working for hedge funds.
	Of course, there is somebody behind Epstein.
	And like the world-renewed thinker, Eric Weinstein, an American mathematician, economist, investor, which I regard as a very trustable source, has said after meeting Jeffrey Epstein, he realized that there is something different about this guy.
	He's the product of something different.
	And in fact, he was also connected to Harvard University, to the program for evolutionary dynamics.
	He was well acquainted with physics, with mathematics, and with artificial intelligence.
	In fact, Jeffrey Epstein's partner, who actually was the guy who was in charge of Victoria's Secret, Leslie Wexner, ended up selling his part in Victoria's Secret and then becoming now involved with one of the biggest companies behind artificial intelligence.
	So there is this constant link.
	And then we discovered that Jeffrey Epstein thought of himself as the father of Sophia the Robot, which is another thing that nobody really connects.
	Jeffrey Epstein and Sophia de Robot.
	Sophia de Robot is somebody who I've discussed in volume seven of my confessions because she's actually an official representative of the United Nations Developing Programme.
	Sophia de Robot has been even given a citizenship, I think, by the, I don't know if it was Saudi Arabia or in Dubai, I don't know, but Jeffrey Epstein told him he founded a robot named Sophia in 2013.
	Sophia was presented to the world in 2016 and he said it was for a company in Hong Kong.
	And in reality, the company that has developed Sophia the robot is in Hong Kong.
	And even if Anson Robotics denies with David Anson that Sophia the robot didn't even exist as a concept in 2013, the connection and what Jeffrey Epstein said already back then to the journalist about what he was developing with this robot is quite incredible.
	But in reality, there is a connection because then the Jeffrey Epstein Foundation, which was, of course, in the Virgin Island.
	That is very interesting.
	You know, nobody really goes and checks because the Jeffrey Epstein Virgin Island Foundation, when I saw it the first time, I thought it was Jeffrey Epstein VI Foundation.
	Instead, no, it's Jeffrey Epstein, Virgin Island Foundation.
	And here it says that he sponsored Martin Novak, who after was suspended for two years at Alva University with the 6.5 million.
	In reality, he gave apparently 9 million to Albert University after making a pledge of 30 million.
	And he financed the OpenCOG project, an open source software initiative for artificial intelligence, which is used for Sophia the robot.
	So he was, in a way, that can't be debunked behind Sophia the robot because the actual AI that is used for the Sophia de robot, which is about to become probably the most commercial available robot in the world, was linked to Jeffrey Epstein.
	So Jeffrey Epstein died, of course, like we all know, during Trump's first term, like somebody is saying here in the chat.
	And in regards, Christy said, Christy was right about Trump all along.
	I didn't want to be right.
	I was pretty hurt by the fact that Trump called the people stupid and says that he doesn't need them anymore because I think that is not fair.
	It's not fair to the people who have supported him.
	Well, I mean, now he, of course, is suing the Wall Street Journal because of what they said.
	You know, they published this alleged letter in which Trump made a drawing.
	I mean, the thing that really I think will become more intolerable for most of us in the Make America Great movement is this.
	Morning, President Trump snapping at his own supporters who have criticized his administration's handling of the investigation and to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
	They're stupid people.
	As Republicans pressed the Justice Department to release a stupid people.
	You can't say that.
	You need to apologize.
	President Donald J. Trump, we demand immediate apology.
	And I don't care what every other is.
	There is no excuse.
	He needs to say he's sorry because, I mean, I can't go around treating people like that.
	And I don't.
	I always treat people nicely.
	I'm not mean ever.
	And he can't be mean to us.
	We supported him.
	Everything that everybody said.
	So everything that everybody's been saying.
	It's funny because we kind of all feel the same about it.
	Like we all want to, a lot of people don't even, some people care about the Epstein files and some people don't even care about the Epstein files.
	It's the fact that he's covering something.
	He's not being transparent the way he always said he would be.
	And then he says this really mean thing.
	I mean, obviously all of us know that he's got this huge ego and he's a womanizer.
	I mean, it's been a long time.
	But that is, I mean, that is not really the big deal here.
	Well, he is a womanizer and a sexist, and I said it.
	But that's not the big deal.
	But he is.
	Well, you're not a woman, so.
	Yeah, but listen.
	I know it's not the issue.
	It's not the issue.
	And it's a bit, you know, that approach, unfortunately, connects to those feminists who criticize.
	Oh, I hate that.
	Why is it whenever I...
	Well, it shouldn't be.
	You know what?
	I'm sick of this.
	I am a woman.
	I'm proud to be a woman.
	I'm proud to do the thing.
	But you are against those, for example, who are using and suing Trump like that.
	What was that writer who said that she was raped and she was ugly as hell?
	And she said that she was raped and she made a whole thing against you.
	Maury, don't lock me in with those people.
	Just because I'm saying, you know, that women have rights doesn't mean I'm a feminist and I'm tired of people saying it.
	Yeah, but in fact, we have to make it here a separation between feminism and what Casey's saying.
	Because Casey, I get absolutely absolutely not a feminist.
	But having said that, I prefer a guy who likes women, who I like, a guy who likes, of course, children.
	And unfortunately, with Jeffrey Ebsen, like even Trump said himself publicly, he liked them on the younger side.
	And that younger side, when it goes into that kind of situation, when it comes to younger and younger and younger, and then we see that there is a testimony of like two girls of 13 brought to Jeffrey Epstein on his island from this Jean-Luc, this guy who ended up suicidal.
	There is also Virginia Duffray who ends up suicidal.
	I mean, there is a bit too many people who end up suicidal.
	Yeah, it's all when Trump's in office.
	So it's kind of weird.
	It's kind of weird.
	It is weird, but I mean...
	Okay, we have, of course, the black book of Jeffrey Ebsa, which is, I think, in the end, the unredacted version, the one that contains more revealing things, even if there is no, I mean, you can't consider it a clientalist.
	You see, for example, here you have Leslie Wexner that is basically present with all the various numbers.
	He was very close to him.
	But then you have a lot of other people.
	And amongst them, you have, of course, Donald Trump.
	So, I mean, Trump has been very close to Jeffrey Epstein.
	But the problem here is not that Trump has done something wrong, because if Trump did something wrong, guys, believe me, the Democrats will abuse it To go back in power with Kamala and with Joe Biden.
	So we can scrap that.
	You will never know, maybe.
	Never know.
	No, because, yeah, but we know that it can't be that.
	You see, because the files, everything, you know, they were there in charge of the FBI, in charge of the CA.
	So, okay, Trump might not be a saint.
	He might be a womanizer.
	He might grab women by the pose, whatever he says, but he is not a pedophile.
	Because I repeat, if there was some criminal action on Trump's part, the Democrats will have been no, of course, Trump, but the fact that now he's suing the Wall Street Journal for $10 billion.
	Now, I mean, you're suing somebody if you have a certainty.
	I mean, what Trump has showed on Truth Social, and I'm going to show it to you now in the last few hours, makes it clear that he's missing the Wall Street Journal and its owners, including Rupert Murdoch, for at least $10 billion on Friday.
	It's over-the-newspapers report that his name was on a 2003 birthday greeting for Jeffrey Epstein and included a sexually suggestive drawing and a reference to secrets they shared.
	The U.S. President has vehemently denied the journal report, which Reuters has not verified.
	The lawsuit filed in Miami names Murdoch, Dow Jones, News Corp, and its chief executive, Robert Thompson, as well as two Wall Street Journal reporters as defendants.
	It says they defamed Trump and caused him to suffer overwhelming financial and reputational harm.
	Epstein, the disgraced financier and sex offender, died by suicide in a New York jail in 2019.
	His case has generated conspiracy theories that became popular among Trump's base of supporters.
	They believed the government was covering up Epstein's ties to the rich and powerful.
	Trump.
	Now, did he cover or not up Epstein's ties to the rich and powerful?
	We are asking you in the chat to make the questions and to shape up this debate.
	So let's see what they're saying in the chat.
	First of all, we have Don Dee.
	Don Dee, who says if he wasn't involved, he would release the files.
	Yes, but one thing here that also some legal advisors, even on the left, have said you can't just release things.
	If there is a guy who is innocent, who maybe just had coffee with Jeffrey Epson and he suddenly appears splattered all over the place.
	Well, he shouldn't make false promises.
	Well, no, but no, no, but he was running on that during the yeah, but in fact, they were running on the presumption that there was some kind of list of clients.
	But I repeat, that's not been asserted.
	So let's see here.
	Other things.
	So he protecting Zionist, that's why he covers it up.
	Candice Owens thinks so.
	Now, Candice Owens, I call her Candice Avans because she's so anti-Semitic, it just goes out of my, I mean, it's a bit too much.
	Sorry, guys.
	definitely has sometimes some some interesting perspectives but i explained in the last chapter of this book which is a very important book volume 10 how this antisemitism was encouraged by the sabbatian francis which are an heresy within the jewish faith and it's much more complex than simply
	but also with other intelligence services.
	And he was, I mean, there is definitely a connection here with the intelligence establishment of various countries.
	At one point, Jeffrey Epstein, he went from being a professor without, I mean, you don't finish the university, you can't really be a professor.
	Is he from a family of money?
	No, but Jeffrey Epstein is somebody who definitely comes from a Sabbathian Frankist background.
	And the Sabbathian Frankis are a sect who supports each other.
	And that's how Jeffrey Epstein rise to power.
	This is what people don't really realize.
	Can I ask you something about him?
	Yes.
	Like, what kind of a person do you think he was?
	Do you think he was like demonic?
	First of all, he was a genius.
	And that is something that a lot of people don't want to admit.
	But the people who met him, who even Eric Weinstein, who is himself not only an edge fund guy, but also a scientist and an academic, he had to admit that he had knowledge of the science.
	He's an expert in physics, in mathematics.
	I mean, this guy went from being born and raised in New York in a seemingly modest background to become a teacher at the Dalton School, despite lacking a college degree.
	And the Dalton School is a private co-educational college preparatory in New York.
	It's a member of both the Ivy Preparatory School League and the New York Inter School.
	It's located in the upper side of Manathan.
	It's fancy, fancy, fancy.
	And if you want to accede to its tuition today, you have to spend $65,000 a year.
	So it's not just a place.
	And he went from there into being a member of the Berstein company, the Bersting.
	Benstein's company.
	And the guy who was in charge of the Bersteins Company, the daughter and the son apparently met Epson at the school and then presented them to the father.
	And the father became really said, this guy's a genius.
	I want him to work for me.
	And then he went on Working behind Wall Street in all kinds of investments.
	But, like I explained in my article, which I will now place back so Christy can read another part of it, there is some very interesting elements of Jeffrey Epstein that bring us to the fact that you have to understand,
	in the 80s and 70s, but especially in the 80s and 90s, people who were geniuses in mathematics, like my father, for example, became scouted by these big companies because they could make extremely complex calculations and through algorithms and stuff enter in the actual knowledge and forecast of the markets.
	So even when he basically worked with the now the Fund program for evolutionary dynamics, the program for evolutionary dynamics was a very serious thing, guys.
	I mean, Martin Novak, who he was working with, this guy I'm going to show you, is one of the most prestigious mathematicians in Harvard University.
	He was then punished for two years, but he's back, back being one of the professor of mathematics and biology.
	He visited him and he had even his own little office in Harvard at one point, Jeffrey Epstein, 40 times between 1998 and 2018.
	That means that two times a year, Jeffrey Epstein will be in Harvard.
	And then he brought to the island most of the people in Harvard, not only, I mean, people, you know, he's this guy I just showed you, Martin Novak, is actually, some say, the scapegoat of this whole thing.
	And people are not talking about that, but it's incredible.
	Christy, watch this article here.
	Martin Novak the scapegoat.
	And it was published in 2021.
	And look at what they say here, Christy.
	Because, you know, it explains that this is incredible what they're saying.
	Well, check this out.
	Do you want me to read it?
	Yes, actually, read this.
	Okay.
	Epstein's ability to influence our university even after he was no longer a direct donor, hosting faculty at his controversial private island, securing a campus office and shout-out on Harvard domain, securing donations for his preferred academics, speaks to the influence money can have even when it's not directly changing pockets.
	It proves that our gift policies must be prepared to wrestle with the corrupting influence of immense wealth and become solid enough to resist affiliates liable to be seduced by a quick, dirty buck.
	And also it says here regarding this whole connection with Jeffrey Epstein, that we are not talking only about one guy, but a series of people that were involved with Jeffrey Epstein, who were brought to the island.
	I mean, whatever, here it says, whatever happened to the Harvard faculty who visited the Epstein private sex trafficking island, according to a brief footprint in the May 2020 university report on the matter, numerous Harvard faculty members visited Epstein private resident in the Virgin Islands, which is now under investigation.
	And on top of that, which is the place which is having an ongoing war in the academic world with Donald G. Trump?
	Harvard.
	So why people are not connecting the dots here?
	It's pretty clear that Trump...
	We do connect it.
	Trump has done maybe some bad things, but he has done also some good things.
	And definitely, if he's against Harvard now, that is a very interesting...
	And probably everything, you know, you don't know, but from what everything has shown in the past, they do lie.
	Somebody's asking me here, I want to answer a question, and then we can go back to what you're saying.
	Of course, the lies are many and Trump is suing for 10 billion.
	So I think that says it all.
	But how long was Epson a teacher before this meetup?
	Epson was a teacher only for two seasons.
	Basically, by 1976, he was already at the end of the season, school season.
	He was already working for this company I mentioned.
	I wonder what he said to get them so convinced.
	I mean, I wonder what it was that made them, was it just an overall knowledge of what, you know, like what was it?
	He convinced Bersterns that he was somebody that could, you know.
	Is it for the AI?
	Is it everything to do with AI?
	Is that what it is?
	No, no, it's not, no, no, it's not only the AI.
	It was like he was, I mean, he definitely had knowledge of how the investment banking works.
	It's money.
	It's about money, of course.
	But then there is something else.
	Jeffrey Epstein, for example, has a Saudi passport.
	Actually, no, sorry, he has an Austrian passport with a Saudi residence.
	That's weird.
	That's weird too.
	And nobody really discusses it.
	If you go and check around in the internet on his Wikipedia, you need to do a deep dive.
	You need to do a deep dive.
	I mean, he was brought up and born in Brooklyn, which is where you were brought up.
	Probably a different part of Brooklyn.
	Maybe a different part of Brooklyn.
	Okay.
	He was somebody who came though, grew up in a working-class neighborhood of Seagate, which is a private gated community in Corney Island.
	Also, the brother together, there was also a link there.
	It's very, not very nice over there by Corney Island.
	And then there is Epstein, I mean, attended local public schools.
	Then, by repeat, suddenly he steps up in his life.
	He manages to become acquainted with people that in a way, like Alan Greenberg, who was the chief executive of Bear Stearns.
	And then from 1976 onwards, after he was dismissed from Dalton for poor performance, but I mean, he shouldn't have been there in the first place because he wasn't even a professor of any kind.
	I mean, he goes out into the world of financing.
	And then in 1981, he even founds his own consulting firm.
	And at one point, he even attempts to buy Pan Am when Pan Am is in difficulty at the end of the 80s.
	But the most interesting link that Eppen has is with Saudi Arabia and with a guy which in, I remember back in the days, at least in Italy, was synonymous with money.
	I'm talking about Adnan Kazoggi.
	Adnan Kazoggi was a Saudi businessman and arms dealer.
	So how did Epson make his money?
	How many times his path crossed with people connected to arms dealing?
	A lot of times.
	So it's when, you see, when you are connected with the arms dealing, you're always connected with the intelligence services, always, constantly.
	So there is definitely some very interesting things here.
	There is, of course, a cabal of pedophiles worldwide.
	And for that reason, when Trump this week goes and says that he's not interested in the Epstein case, like he said, that's a little bit.
	I know you've urged people to move on, but I'm curious, why do you think your supporters in particular have been so interested in the Epstein story and so upset about how it's been handled?
	Why do you think that is?
	Why they would be so interested.
	We stayed for a long time.
	He was never a big factor in terms of life.
	I don't understand what the interest or what the fascination is.
	I really don't.
	And some incredible information has been given.
	Don't forget, we went through years of the Moller Witch Hunt and all of the different things.
	The Steel Dossier.
	Now, the Steel Dossier is one thing.
	And what's coming out connected to Epsom is a completely different thing.
	Because the Steel Dossier, and now, of course, Tulsi Gabar is bringing out all the connections to Obama that, of course, encourage all the fake Russian hoax against Trump.
	But it has nothing to do.
	This is a connection which is well known.
	It goes back to the 70s and 80s there, the 80s in New York, when Trump was a figure, a piece of the New York nightlife.
	So let's go through the chat and see what else.
	Somebody says, I disagree with the comment on womanizing.
	All of us who were singing in the world, then God saved, have a pass.
	I completely agree.
	Absolutely.
	Well, yeah, I agree too, because I said, you know, everybody can be.
	The tramp of today is not the tramp of the early 2000s.
	But even Leo Zagam is not the same at the early 2000s.
	So, I mean, everybody changes.
	So, absolutely.
	Thank you for that.
	Yeah, that is true.
	I knew I was saying, I mean, I wasn't.
	The only thing I'm saying about is just don't about women.
	Like, we have rights, and it's been mixed in with this feminism.
	And all I'm saying is that, you know, if you want to stand up for women, you don't have to be a feminist.
	But the part about Trump being a womanizer.
	Right, he was.
	Well, I mean, it just, it's bothering to a woman.
	Every time I hear that, though, I get bothering.
	But it's not bothering because he was young and he was hanging out with the woman.
	It bothers me.
	It's your problem, but it's, I mean, he was young and he was doing what he was for.
	But it's not respect, but he was young.
	Nobody cares then.
	All right.
	Well, I get it.
	Nobody cares.
	I think it's not nice.
	I can't say that stuff.
	Okay.
	But you are the youngest.
	I get very mad at you.
	20 years ago.
	I didn't say it 20 years ago either.
	But 20 years ago, you didn't know me.
	No, more than 20 years ago.
	I'm glad I didn't know you.
	I would have never spoken to you 20 years ago.
	So maybe you will not have spoke or admired the Trump.
	I didn't.
	I couldn't stand him.
	So you see that.
	In the 80s, I couldn't stand him.
	And I couldn't.
	Okay.
	Anyway, I'm not going to talk anymore because I'm just going to say what I think.
	No worries.
	Now, somebody says Trump is deflecting.
	Absolutely.
	What's happening with Tursi Gaber suddenly coming out, deflecting, of course, on Obama and what is happening there.
	It seems like don't look here, look there, you know, kind of thing.
	This new evidence, of course, might be absolutely true.
	And we are here, of course, witnessing it.
	The press release that was done yesterday, new evidence of Obama administration conspiracy to subvert President Trump.
	We knew that.
	And in fact, Obama should have been in some way investigated a long time ago for doing that.
	The fact that he was a criminal, that he was trying to stop the will of the American people who elected for the first Monday Trump.
	Yeah, they since they stole election.
	No, after 2020.
	But in 2016, they wanted to subolize Trump by telling him he was, you know, investigating the United States.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, and they did a lot of dirty deeds.
	So welcome to the Leo Zagan meeting.
	We support Trump.
	We supported him all through the 2020 thing.
	And, you know, we supported him from 2020 till now.
	And we still support him.
	We just hope he says he's sorry.
	I mean, he's doing good things and bad things mixed all together.
	I mean, the immigration thing is good, but personally, I hate the crypto thing, and I'm never going to be on board with that.
	I don't care.
	I don't like using the White House, you know, making cryptos.
	I think that's wrong to use the White House.
	I feel like he uses the White House to make money and his presidency.
	And I just said it.
	Somebody says the women were hunting Trump and not the other way around.
	Absolutely.
	There is women who are after money, after baby and so that's absolutely.
	Somebody says, I agree.
	I'm no feminist, but don't mess with me.
	Women are strong in their own rights.
	Thank you.
	We have babies.
	Okay, that's cool.
	Then, of course, we have somebody who instead is telling us on Ramble, which is not visible here on the chat.
	I can put really, I don't think I can put the thing, or actually I can.
	JP Morgan just paid Epstein vitamins and the AC.
	That's true, absolutely.
	There was a connection there.
	And there is definitely a connection also with the royal family, because you have Prince Andrew, whose mother paid millions to shut up Virginia Juffre, who suddenly this year, in a matter of one month, first was, you know, there was a bus went.
	She shouldn't have taken that money.
	But something happened and we should really investigate what happened.
	But these are things that are connected to the intelligence world, which are never going to be clarified.
	Let's see, other people, what they're saying.
	Rick Langley.
	Rick Langley says the Democrats have probably doctored the Epstein files.
	Now, the fact that for many years the Democrats were in charge of these files, of course, makes it very suspicious.
	But when it comes down to things that are common knowledge, like the friendship of Trump and Epstein, I mean, everything is possible.
	So it's not like, you know, somebody is saying, Trump's Zionist Messiah.
	Who is this Zionist Messiah?
	We would like to know because you didn't specify it.
	Somebody says, change my picture.
	Hero Leo, that's okay.
	And somebody is saying scheduled to open Fair Temple.
	Now, there is being definitely with the connection to the hypothetical or alleged connection to the Mossad, a lot of anti-Semites connected to this whole thing, guys.
	And once again, I wrote in volume 7 that Jeffrey Epson could become a problem for Trump.
	and I wrote it and published a book in 2022.
	So, I mean, if you want...
	So that is possible.
	But once again, let's not fell into the anti-Semitic mode.
	Rather, understand that Zionism was taken over by the Sabbathian Francists in something that I described very well in the last chapter of this book.
	And I also explain in volume 7 of my confessions when I talk about Jeffrey Epstein.
	So do you think, let's see, somebody says, so you don't think Jeffrey Epstein is connected to Israel Moussa?
	Absolutely, was connected to Moussa, but he was also connected to other intelligence agencies.
	Let's not forget that the father of Guillain Maxwell, who everybody knows was a very controversial guy himself, ended up, Robert Maxwell, dead in a very mysterious way.
	Now, Robert Maxwell was not only an agent for Mossad.
	He was apparently a triple agent who was doing work for the CA, even working at times with the KGB.
	Robert Maxwell was decorated and working also with the MI6.
	He had been decorated for active service in the British Army in World War II.
	Robert Maxwell was somebody who lived a flamboyant lifestyle that attracted very much Jeffrey Epstein when he met Ghillain because the daughter, you know, he thought.
	But let's not forget how, you know, how did Robert Maxwell die?
	Because Robert Maxwell died in his yacht in a very mysterious way.
	There was a group of secret agents on that yacht and they killed him.
	And so, you know, everybody talks about, ah, yeah, Robert Maxwell Mossad, because after, you know, he was buried with all the, you know, in an official way in Israel, the thing.
	But his death is shrouded in mystery.
	His death is definitely shrouded in mystery.
	He died in the Canary Islands on the 5th of November of the year of the Lord 1991.
	his body was discovered floating in the middle of the atlantic ocean and i mean he didn't end up in a We all, you know, all the official, you know, burial given to somebody of importance.
	But it was a strange and even tragic death.
	I don't understand Indian story.
	He was a Mongol.
	He owned all the newspapers, all the things, you know, all the tabloids in England at one point.
	But then he went into a bankruptcy.
	So here it says, Robert Maxwell, a strange and tragic death, may have set his daughter Ghillain on a path to Jeffrey Epstein.
	It says, sailing on board the 50-meter yacht, named after his favorite daughter, as it proves the Atlantic, Robert Maxwell had all the appearance of a man of good fortune.
	He was dominating Paddy Gavara's family with a vast Italian mansion overlooking Oxford, famous friends, an elegopter that could take him to London at a moment's notice.
	However, after walking from a fitful sleep on a cool November day in 1910, Max was alone and apparently too close to the edge of the boat.
	Back home, the empire he spent for decades building was speedily unraveling, crippled by a mountain of debt the Mogul was unable to pay.
	Guys, there is definitely something strange also in regards to the father of Ghilane Maxwell.
	Never really cleared 100% how this guide dies.
	A lot of people dying.
	Yeah, a lot of people die.
	Absolutely.
	Do you think that Ghislaine Maxwell is really mad right now?
	I mean, she wants to give her testimony, and I don't think that a lot of people, a lot of powerful people want to hear her.
	You know, I remember this article from 1992, the sinking of Captain Bob.
	So we have here the Mossad, but also we have Saudi Arabia.
	So we have the Wahhabi, we have Saudi Arabia, guys, which if you study volume 10 of my confessions, it's very important also in influencing 9-11.
	Really, really important.
	She's even going on about this.
	So there is some very interesting links.
	Now, lately, we saw Israel bombing Syria.
	And a lot of people don't understand why suddenly Israel is bombing Syria.
	But in reality, guys, it's pretty simple.
	The Israeli are protecting the Druze.
	The Druze have this ancient connection to Israel.
	They are actually connected.
	They are the legitimate heirs to the Ashashins.
	So when we saw this a couple of days ago, well, it might surprise some people, but in reality, there is a very strong alliance between the Druze minority, which is present both in Lebanon and Syria, and Israel.
	We all work together.
	Israeli defense forces bombarded the Syrian regime's military headquarters in Damascus on Wednesday, following deadly chaos that erupted near its border between Syrian troops and warring local groups.
	In a region brimming with conflicts, the recent violence points to yet another complicated struggle.
	So what exactly is going on in Syria?
	Here's everything you need to know.
	The Israeli attack on Syria's defense ministry comes after Israel announced it struck military tanks in the country's Swedo province on Monday.
	The area had become a battleground between pro-government Sunni Bedouin tribes along with government forces on one side and the Druze militia on the other.
	Israel has vowed to protect the Druze, a minority Arab group of about 1 million people, over half of whom live in Syria.
	The group follows a religion that is an offshoot of a branch of Shiite Islam.
	Most Druze in Syria live in areas around the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights in the southern part of the country.
	Now, Israel seized the strategic location in the 1967 Mideast War and annexed it in 1981.
	More than 20,000 Druze live in the Golan Heights, along with about 25,000 Jewish settlers from Israel.
	In Israel, the group is seen as a loyal minority and often serve in the armed forces there.
	The Druze in Syria, however, have been engaged in a conflict with pro-government armed forces in recent months.
	The country is still recovering from the fallout from their nearly 14-year-long civil war, which killed hundreds of thousands and finally ended in December after the country's former president, Bashar al-Assad, was overthrown.
	Syria's new president, Ahmed al-Shara, vowed to form an open, multicultural government to revive his war-torn nation.
	However, he only included one Druze member in the new 23-member government that he announced in March.
	Meanwhile, Sunni extremist forces who were oppressed under the brutal Assad regime are now loyal to al-Shara and have set their sights on religious minorities.
	Fears had been rising that the Druze would be the next group targeted after revenge attacks in March.
	So the Druze, the Druze are very interesting guys.
	If you want to read about all their connections to Freemasonry, the fact they might have even inspired the Nice Tempers and the Freemasons with the rituals.
	The Druze are a very particular reality because they are also born out of the terrible chirology, which has a center role in Volume 10 of My Confessions.
	This is a book that has been endorsed even by sheikhs, Islamic sheikhs.
	So it's a book that has not been demanded or criticized even by the Muslims or the Sufis.
	I criticize.
	Volume 10 of My Confessions, Islamic Freemasonry and the Secret Societies Behind the Eternal Conflict in the Middle East is definitely a book you need to read to learn more about what is really happening.
	There is even one of the in the ancient and the Scottish Rite, one of the degrees dedicated that has mentions the Druze.
	So it's definitely a very strong connection also with the Freemasonry for the Druze and you need to learn more about them, to understand their relevance, even if they are a minority.
	They have definitely a great importance in the book when I'm in the Druze, Druze, Druze.
	Yeah, no, in fact, I actually show even pictures of the Druze in my book here.
	They have definitely been inspirational in many ways, even for the Shriners.
	So check out their role here.
	Casey, they say that you are very angel, very intelligent.
	Let's see.
	Then we have, okay, so let's say that the Mossad has a driving force of perverse, just as the CIA and other secret intelligence agencies in the West who somehow have compromised themselves in their black ops also with pedophilia, because they know that pedophilia can be used to blackmail a lot of powerful people.
	And this is a reality that I've been denouncing for many years.
	So this is absolutely something that we needed to say.
	If you want to tell us more about what you think of the future of MAGA, I think we need to go on and America first and continue on no matter what.
	Okay, one thing that definitely I noticed was an article which let me find here, which I think says it all and it really makes us understand that at the end of the day, if you are still mad at President Trump, remember that you could have had Kamala Aris, which would have been censorship, would have mean, I mean, we will have been in a situation.
	not sorry he's present i'm just i think this article If you're still mad at President Trump over Epstein files, stop to think about what America would look like if Kamala had been elected instead.
	That's your alternative.
	Now, thank God for Trump.
	It's just, well, I just, I don't think.
	No, well, there's nothing to know there because the alternative is simply to have an idiot like Kamal Aris who would have made this place as bad as Europe.
	Let's not forget.
	I just wanted to say sorry.
	That's it.
	Just say you're sorry.
	Trump needs to say that.
	I can't believe anything he says until he says he's sorry But the problem here is that Well, I mean, definitely.
	I trusted him.
	He has lost a conditional belief and faith there are many.
	I don't feel very good about it.
	I'm really sad.
	And I hope he says he's sorry.
	I've been praying he says he's sorry.
	I don't really care about any of this other baloney.
	I just, you know, it showed his character.
	And I know a lot of everybody has their flaws.
	Everybody, you know, does bad things and redeem themselves.
	But, you know, like God, God says, you know, treat those, you know, treat those nicely the way you want to be treated.
	And I have always treated people nicely up and down and all around.
	I've always been nice to everyone, even if they were mean to me.
	I've apologized to people when I shouldn't have.
	Somebody says nukes will be flying with the camel toe.
	Camala Aris Camel.
	That's just so rude.
	Anyway, thank you anymore.
	I didn't think he needs to say sorry.
	Look, say you're sorry.
	Okay, let's see what he says.
	Let's consult the Trump Oracle.
	They say, is Donald Trump an intellectual?
	Trust me.
	I'm like a smart person.
	But if yes, my person Trump, please say sorry because Christy here, otherwise never we're gonna know.
	I'm never gonna trust you again.
	I'll still, you know, follow you and support you in the things you're doing, but not all of them because you're ruining our health insurance right now.
	So whatever.
	I mean, I'm not feeling any kind of good thing in my wallet right now.
	I haven't become rich over this.
	Actually, I'm way my, we've never been poorer than we are right now.
	We haven't been out to eat this whole year except for my birthday and your birthday.
	I'm not complaining because I'm really grateful for everything I have and I don't want anything else.
	I just want him to be honest.
	That's it.
	Okay.
	I think amen.
	Amen.
	And alleluia to that.
	In the meantime, I'm going to announce now that tomorrow I will publish an article instead regarding China that is stepping up the persecution of Christians, even with Pope Leo, that is sticking with the Secret Empathic deal, a topic that I've touched in volume 12 of my confessions, as you know.
	This is a topic of great importance, and there is actually a war that is currently taking place against the underground church in China, the people who don't want to recognize in any way, shape or form the deal, which forces basically the Catholics in China to recognize these communist bishops that have been nominated by the Chinese Communist Party.
	And Leo XIV is just as bad as we have announced from the very beginning as Pope Francis, unfortunately.
	And that's the case.
	We still invite you to leave your question or comment on what we are discussing.
	Mag Forever Widow Without Trump, we are live from Palm Springs, California.
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	And the best way to help us is always to purchase one of our books that include, by the way, also the one and only Zagami Family Cookbook with all a recipe that will transform your kitchen in a five-star Italian restaurant.
	So let's see what else we have here in the chat.
	Somebody saying buy books of the great Leo is a good, intelligent, honest Italian man.
	Thank you so much for that.
	Another person wrote America People First.
	And that is great.
	I mean, the fact that finally we don't have anybody coming through the border and Tom Holmes is such a great work.
	I mean, that is a great thing.
	It's really great.
	And Newsom is a scambag for saying otherwise.
	And these people here in Southern California need to regulate their position.
	Everything should be fair for everyone.
	That's the way I feel.
	I mean, it's not, but I wish we could live in a world where everything was fair for everyone.
	And I believe if we pray hard enough, that we will get that, that Jesus is going to come back.
	Or whatever you want.
	Somebody says, I often mention you on other podcasts, Christine Johnson.
	Thank you so much.
	We have also other people who are commenting.
	And of course, there is a lot of disappointment towards Trump, but still hope that at least the good things that he's doing for America will, how you say, will be at the end, will, however, be more incisive than any Epstein debacle.
	Well, I believe that MAGA was what gave Trump the power behind him.
	And without MAGA, he's not who he is.
	I mean, he's nothing without MAGA.
	That's how I feel.
	So he needs to really say sorry.
	I think that he needs to say sorry because otherwise Chris is never gonna snagger.
	I say it every day.
	He needs to say sorry.
	You say about your mother too.
	Please, you have to say sorry.
	My mother needs to say she's sorry too.
	Okay, whatever.
	Somebody rightly is saying MAGA is about Americans, not Trump.
	The president was just a spark.
	That's very well said.
	I think that in the end, the MAGA movement is going to, of course, outlive Trump, who was the initial spark for it.
	But now we also need the new blood because in the future we're going to have an election, which of course needs to be won by, I don't know, if J.D. Vance or anyone that we can trust doing, of course, and hopefully a great job at the White House.
	But the problem is that in the end, the politics is a game and it's a corrupt game.
	And it's a corrupt game like I explained in Volume 11.
	Everybody's played, everybody's manipulated, everybody's mind-controlled.
	And so, you know, when we see everybody, you know, like Fuentes raging against MAGA, people burning their MAGA hats.
	No, don't do it, guys.
	Don't burn your hat.
	You were never a MAGA if you're doing that.
	No, no, no.
	In fact, let's see.
	Somebody is saying, let me see because it's an interesting comment.
	Please read the Christie.
	I don't know.
	Maybe he's creating more of a strazen effect because even the D's holdering, the Democrats are holding for all the information and Tucker, Candice and others are doing deep dives on how far back Epstein goes.
	Well, I think that the fact that pedophiles can be condemned finally also by the Democrats is a miracle that only Epstein's ghost could pull off because it is a miracle that the Democrats after supporting pedophilia for now.
	Hypocrites, you know, finally, a bunch of hypocrites.
	Somebody is instead telling us that we should be aware of Vance because it's connected to the Palantir mafia.
	Then that's unfortunately true.
	Palantir is the guys who are getting more and more aggressive in the search of our data, working, of course, as usual with AI.
	AI.
	Palantiris.
	They love this AI.
	Why?
	Valentir Technologies is a company that is specializing in software platforms, but it's also a company with a guy who is in charge of it, who at least has the courage to say that we are living at the threat of the Antichrist, which is Peter Thiel.
	Peter Thiel recently was at the Bilderberg, but at the same time, after some Bilderberg is denouncing the fact that maybe we are aiding with this technology, the Antichrist.
	So the Antichrist and the end times is a reality which is accepted even by the head of Palantir, which is in itself a paradox because it's helping implementing this digital prison.
	And at the same time, he's saying this thing.
	Somebody's saying that JD Vance has too much eyeliner.
	That is a problem.
	Yes, say nothing.
	It's weird.
	A lot of girl, though.
	Somebody says that Peter TL himself is the anti-guys.
	Well, everything is possible.
	We have a lot of things that we have receiving finally a lot of messages.
	Republicans block the files from being released.
	Both sides are trash.
	Now, it's not all the Republicans that are blocking the files.
	I believe that, though, what he said.
	No, no, but I mean, both sides are trash.
	But it's also true that it's not all the Republicans.
	But not everyone.
	Because also we have people like Major Taylor Greene that actually wants the, and other people who are helping, you know, and they're pushing for.
	We all need to come together somehow.
	We all, all of us, all of us.
	We don't need to be separated like this.
	The best thing would be if the Democrats and the Republicans, everyone just started But when you see then here in Southern California or in California in general, people like Newsom who are not saying there is minors and children in the marijuana fields,
	in the marijuana farms, well, it's horrifying.
	It's horrifying, absolutely.
	And so this is, I mean, what is happening here is like, you know, we have people like one day they accuse Trump and they say he needs To release all the files, then the other day, the next day, they will go and say, Oh, this is a coup against Trump.
	Make your mind up, guys.
	I mean, either is one or is the other.
	It just makes everybody in a bad mood and confused.
	So I don't know.
	It's not like you can't, you know, they say, oh, don't pay attention to it, but I mean, you have to pay attention.
	Well, amidst all this chaos and turmoil, let me thank those people who are still believing in our show.
	Not many reality people.
	We'll always be here.
	Please support us.
	And if you want to have more shows with Leo and Chrissy, we will, of course, welcome your donations.
	I want to say something about people changing.
	Yes.
	Because I really agree with that.
	And even if he did that wrong thing in that moment, everything he did was wrong in that moment.
	If you say he was sorry and he came to God, God, I mean, God is forgiving.
	And no matter what, you can always, you know, change things around.
	Like, for instance, I used to curse a lot.
	And I realized it was really wrong.
	And I don't curse anymore now.
	No, but one last thing here.
	He's going to say something else.
	Well, because I saw this comment by Buddha's Boston Sports.
	He says, what happened?
	That is what I noticed here.
	Every time you have a lot of pedo stuff and a lot of, you know, involved with a powerful figure in our politics, no matter if left, right, or center, whatever political religions they have, if they are powerful, they get away with it.
	I mean, Hunter Biden should be in jail.
	He should be in jail.
	It's all down.
	Many other people should be in jail, but it never happens because in the end, you know, the thing is this.
	It's a little bit like, you know, in Italy.
	Now, in Italy, if you are a poor person and the police catches you with a joint, they arrest you and you spend the rest of your life in jail.
	At times you get raped and if you come out of jail, and I'm talking about a joint, you come out of jail traumatized.
	If you are a rich person, you can have, you can smoke a joint live on TV, you can have a bag of cocaine on your table, you can get away with murder.
	The same thing seems to be happening here in the United States of America, as America is becoming more and more a third world country where people like Governor Newsome are basically using children for their mariana plantations.
	Now, if Governor Newsom wants to become the new, how you say, the new slavist, you know, like the slave driver, how you call it, slave owner.
	You know, he's the slave owner of all these Mexicans that come here to California.
	I mean, this is the sickness of the whole thing.
	So I hope that Tomoman continues with Ice to break their plans and destroy their plans so we can reacquire a sovereignity.
	It was great also to see 10 people freed out of Venezuela.
	And guys, the great thing about seeing these people freed out of Venezuela was the photo of the CIA guy involved in the mission with nobody comments, of course.
	But he's clearly the classic CIA guy out of a movie because when you see him, watch, at the center of the photo.
	Oh, yeah.
	The guy with the white hat.
	It's like the Del Monte guy.
	including a Navy SEAL veteran who was in custody in Venezuela in a U.S. prisoner swap.
	I mean, I think it's great.
	They still have this old school CA South American guy.
	Okay, let's call it a day.
	And we see you next week, Leo and Christie with our show.
	Don't miss also my latest articles on LeoZagami.com.
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	In that time, our world is taking so many steps in the wrong direction.
	The negativity comes in.

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