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June 21, 2025 - The Leo Zagami Show
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THE OTHER IRANIAN LODGE WORKING WITH THE C.I.A. IN WASHINGTON D.C. FOR REGIME CHANGE
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Freedom has many difficulties, but we have never had to put a wall up to keep our people in peace.
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And today we will be talking about another Iranian lodge working with the CIA in Washington, D.C. currently for regime change.
We're going to be talking about this delicate topic.
Because Steve Bannon on Thursday had lunch with Donald J. Trump and when he came out he suddenly said Benjamin Netanyahu needs to finish what he started.
A big change.
We have all these people in the MAGA movement that first, like Tucker Carlson, they attack Trump and his choices and then they apologize or they change trajectory.
We are always of the same trajectory here.
We know that ultimately it's going to be the people of Iran.
To demand this regime change, we just need to weaken up a little bit the position of the Ayatollah, who for too long have oppressed these great people.
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Yes, they're moving fast.
A couple of B-2 bombers have been moved to Guam, actually six.
They are on the move and from tonight there should be actually a big change.
With this general who is in charge.
I want to show you who is the general in charge.
Christie usually is a good judge of people after she sees them.
This guy is called Michael Kurilla and Eric Kurilla, and he is the 15th commander of the United States Central Command who is going to be in charge of operations together with, of course, our commander-in-chief Donald J. Trump if and when we start getting There has been people, like I said, critic of a possible regime change.
Ultimately, it's going to be the people of Iran who have to decide what to do.
And this is very important.
This is not like some, you know, Fed war country with no culture that you can just bring in some kind of puppet government.
This is Iran.
It has a millinery history.
I think that was the period.
Then, later on, we had, of course, the Pavlavi dynasty taking on the show from the 1920s.
Eventually we arrived, of course, to the father of today's prince, Reza Pavlavi, who is very much a focus of attention from many people because he could become that person who at least gets involved in the transition period.
Or maybe he could bring back a constitutional monarchy in a way that is...
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Now, today we have been talking a lot about the Grand Lodge of Iran in exile.
But what happens is that we have also another very influential lodge, which we'll be discussing today in our show, a lodge that emerged in the early 90s from a schism in the Grand Lodge of Iran in exile.
A little bit like it happens, you know, in other Masonic situations and obediences, a schism is always around the corner, especially...
And in this case, they didn't really accept the result of the elections.
It was, I think, 1992.
And at that point, they went and asked the Grand Lodge of Washington, of the District of Columbia, to charter a Farsi-speaking lodge, which will become also a very important reference point for the Iranian community.
They are, of course, still referring to their lodge as the mother lodge, the Grand Lodge of Iran in exile.
But now, as you can see, Grand Lodge of the District of Columbia.
And this was the first lodge chartered by the District of Columbia in nearly 50 years.
And as you can see at the center, we have the symbol we have been discussing.
Mer Lodge, number 90. We will tell you the story of this important lodge because behind this lodge there is a gentleman who is working as a trade union for many decades between the Pavlavi and the CAA and has been A guy very active in Freemism, but also very active in Voice of America.
Voice of America is, as you know, that propaganda mouthpiece of America used abroad, often also for psyops of various kinds.
Let me show you this gentleman here.
He's called Mansour Atefi.
He eventually became the Grand Secretary of the Grand Lodge of Washington, D.C., of the District of Columbia.
He's a very distinct gentleman, as you can see, still alive and kicking.
I think now he's around 86. This is him.
It was thanks to this guy, who is very close to the Pavlavi family, who knew And so you have, of course, the Iranian community is made of 400,000 people here in the United States.
200,000 people of those 400,000 live here in California.
And for that reason, at the moment, as political is saying, there is a little bit of a problem, because 56% of these Iranians tended, at least in the past, to be associated with voting for the Democratic Party, because half of them live in California, so you can understand that their tendencies were a little bit progressive.
However, now things have been changing, and I'm going to show you soon Trump's change in all this.
American-Iranian diaspora, as it's known, with these 400,000 Iranians who came to live here, mostly from 1980 onwards.
Some of them exited Iran legally, some of them illegally.
A lot of Freemasons, of course, because the Shah himself was a Freemason and the protector of the order back then.
But what the politicians here are saying is America's largest Iranians is at the crossroads.
This is time for the California politicians to speak up.
Because they don't want necessarily an American involvement in the confrontation.
But at the same time, like Prince Pavlavi has said on Fox, what we really need is that the Iranian people themselves decide they have enough of these ayatollahs.
However, I would like Christy to read some points of this article.
Okay, earlier this week the Iranian-American Democrats of California held an emergency meeting in To discuss the organization's next steps as President Donald Trump weighs whether to join Israeli strikes against Iran.
Leaders of the group had already hit the phones in the hours and days after Israel launched its first strikes, June 12th, calling all the members of the state's congressional delegation, including California Senator Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.
I actually was the first one to call him a separatist.
And Alex Padilla urging them to prevent U.S. involvement in the attacks.
For Southern California and Iranian diaspora, the nation's largest, the fastest moving conflict represents a critical moment for a political and culturally diverse community that hasn't always gravitated to American political debates or done so as a current bloc.
However, in the last elections, You know, I made Italians for Trump, they made Iranians for Trump, and this was done just to back Trump in the latest election.
Yes.
That's good.
*music*
And joining us now to talk more about Iranians for Trump is one of the organizers, Sara Raviani.
Thank you so much for joining us, Sara.
Thank you so much for having me.
It's a pleasure to be here.
Likewise.
Sara, so what is Iranians for Trump?
Iranians for Trump is a movement dedicated to mobilizing the Iranian-American community.
To support President Trump because we truly feel that our community really needs to get engaged in the political process and really get involved and we think that President Trump is the best option for our community to support the policies that we want and we need for freedom and democracy in Iran and for protecting and safeguarding American national security.
So that's interesting, freedom and democracy.
Iranians for Trump.
What do you envision then for the future of governance in Iran?
What would that look like?
I would hope to see something that's reflective of what the Iranian people want and they desire.
and it's really hard for me to say as someone who's living on the outside what exactly that should be, but I feel the Iranian people have been so,
So Iranians for Trump is then all-encompassing.
It's not necessarily a monarchy or a republic or you're not advocating for a specific type of governance.
Exactly.
And have you ever met President Trump?
I have not, but I saw him last night and it was incredible and it was so energizing to hear how he rallied the crowd and especially being that it was an Israeli-American conference that he was speaking to.
A lot of, you know, the Jewish community tended to vote for Democratic politicians and to hear the crowd just erupt.
An excitement when he entered the room was absolutely incredible because we're seeing a huge shift in not only the Iranian community, but also the Jewish community, the Israeli-American community, and so many other immigrant diasporas.
Interesting, the necklace, as somebody pointed out, and it seems like it is referring to that symbol that we discussed.
Is it?
Yes.
Is she part of that launch?
No, but maybe she's definitely familiar with that symbol.
Oh, well, that's not...
No, no, no.
We discussed this symbol on our latest episode, we did on Thursday, so if you want to refer to that episode, we went really deep on the Grand Lodge of Iran, the Zoroastrian beliefs, and also the belief that Ali Khamenei, who is now hiding like a rat in a bunker, nominating his successors, because he thinks that he's going to become...
That is the thing, you know.
I mean, at the moment, he's ready to die for the cause.
In fact, the Times, the English Times, published this article, which is typical of the Brits.
Of course, we're talking about the British Times, not the New York Times.
I look into the eyes of Ayatollah Khamenei.
He is willing to die as a martyr!
but Christy here can you read this?
Iran's supreme leader has lived frugally while leading a hardline theocratic Regime, if this is his moment of truth, he won't go quietly, unlike other deposed rulers.
Apparently he's protected by a unit that wasn't even known by the Revolutionary Guard, a unit that nobody knew about.
It was a mystery and suddenly it appeared out of nowhere, this Let me take off this.
And it says here, Iran ruler has entrusted his survival to a previously unknown group of vetted bodyguards over threats of his life.
Iran supreme leader has been moved to a highly secure location where he is under protection of a top secret elite unit I have discussed very much how
get initiated and then of course we have also the attempt by the Illuminati to eliminate the Shah.
It was actually a disciple of Jamal Adin al-Afghani who everybody...
But in reality, his real name was a different name.
He was hiding under the name Jamaluddin al-Afghani because he wanted to be a Sunni in the eyes of the Sunni, but he was actually born in Iran.
And he was a Shia.
Jamaleddin al-Afghani is a figure which I discuss very much in my book, Christy.
You remember?
You've been editing this book, so of course you remember.
He looks very much like the ultimate turban man, the ultimate Taliban, because I guess he was going for that look, for the Afghani look, you know?
And in this, you can see here, though, even in the Wikipedia, it says Jamal al-Afghani, known as Jamal al-Afghani, commonly known as al-Afghani, was an Iranian political activist.
But then, you know, when it comes, and also very interesting, his follower, Mirza Reza Kermani, was successful in assassinating the Shah Nasser al-Din.
And we know that the Illuminati wanted to eliminate already the whole imperial structure, the Shah.
And so already with the Qajar dynasty, Nasser al-Din, they started this whole thing.
Welcome to the Leo Zagami show.
People are tuning in from all over the world.
We have people, of course, on Beecho, people on Rumble, people that are tuning in.
And I will suggest, guys, volume 10 of my Confessions, because this book is really, It's a book that is entitled Islamic Freemation and the Secret Society is Behind the Terminal Conflict in the Middle East.
And it's a book, a five-star book, that received praise even from the people I criticized, even from the Sufis or the Muslims.
They couldn't find anything wrong with it.
They couldn't debunk it because I stick to facts.
And those facts are enough, guys.
So somebody's asking me, do you support the Shah's son regime change?
Well, guys, I support anything.
Anything is better than the Yatollahs.
However, the problem now is that Russia, they own a lot of money to Russia.
We talked about those five, six billions now when I discussed it on Thursday.
Apparently, in the last two or three years, Russia has invested another three, four billion.
Oh, no!
Even more money?
They want their money back.
The Russians want the money back.
And that is really...
It's just about the money.
plus then you have the other interested party the Chinese who get all their oil cheap from Iran they also want the So now deciding the future of Iran is Trump, Putin and Xi Jinping.
Europe wanted to somehow, Europe felt they could come in and bust into the whole thing and say, ah, we want to...
No, no.
They actually invited all these leaders.
Iranian Foreign Minister, and they thought they could have a say.
Trump immediately shut them up.
The Europeans, they don't have any say.
Why they should have a say anyway in what Iran is doing?
Europeans meeting with top Iranian diplomats, he has hope of more talks, but no break.
What I don't understand is this from the Europeans.
They are the first ones who are like marching in support of all those women who are oppressed and marched against the regime between 2019 and 2022.
But then they support these criminals, these oppressive dictators of the Ayatollah's regime, because the Ayatollah is a dictator, and he is a ruthless one.
And so this guy can be all nice, you know, he presents himself as moderate.
You saw how he talks on TV.
But in reality, this guy is a criminal.
And the Islamic Republic is a republic of thugs.
So, of course, we support a regime change for the poor people of Iran who are oppressed.
In the last few days, the Iranians haven't even been able to talk with their relatives.
Apparently, when you call Iran, you get a robotic voice answering.
And it's really weird.
A lot of people are really spooked out by this because the internet is being...
There was an internet blackout.
There's an internet blackout, but now there's also phone blackout.
And when you talk with Iran, you receive this weird female voice who pretends she's answering you, but in reality...
Like somebody will call their grandma?
Yes.
And then they'll get this robotic voice?
Yes.
And then what will the voice say?
I'm gonna show you if I manage to find it here in a second, because it's pretty spooky.
Well, that's weird.
I know, it's very weird.
So the phones work and they can get through to the person, but then this robot comes on?
Yes.
And do the robots say different things?
No, it says only...
It's very...
No, no.
there's actually a recording of it if I manage to find it But if you find it, it's pretty spooky.
I mean, it's like this female voice answers, says, hello, hello, and then pretends to answer you.
And, uh, I hear this voice.
I hope you can find it.
Actually, I found it earlier for my Italian audience, so I should be able to find it here.
had archived it so let's see if I can It was actually reported by the Associated Press and by a number of people.
A woman tried to call her mom in Iran.
A robotic voice answered the phone.
And a few people tried and Real Society Press has this example.
So here it is.
Hello?
Hello?
Who is calling?
This is the only thing they say.
I can't hurt you.
You hear this?
I can't hurt you.
I can't hurt you?
Could you repeat?
I can't hear you.
This is what they say.
It's like an automatic message.
Who you want to speak with?
That is very weird.
I'm Alicia.
Do you remember me?
All right, that's really weird.
It's pretty spooky.
Initially, I thought maybe it was some kind of a recorded thing that everybody was getting, but it's actually a robot.
I think it's like an AI system that they have implemented, but nobody, of course, is answering.
The outside world doesn't have contact with them, and they don't have contact with the outside world.
This is what they have done.
But this is also what the A massive revolution in Iran brought about the Aitola Khomeini to power.
The then Shah of Iran and his wife, her Imperial Majesty Farah Pahlavi, were forced out of their homeland.
This is them leaving.
At the airport.
But under the Ayatollahs, the freedom that they promised never materialized.
In fact, they cracked down, beating and imprisoning women who refused to wear the hijab, gay Iranians, anyone who dissents.
Now, the son of the late Shah, His Royal Highness Reza Pahlavi, who has been in exile, is advocating for a new future for Iran.
He says he believes that the moment is now.
He posted this on social media, quote, "The Islamic Republic has reached its end.
It is in the process of..." I need to clarify.
Somebody's saying in the chat, the U.S. stole the Shah.
That is totally erroneous.
The US participated in 1953 to coup d'etat to maintain the Shah in power, but the Shah...
His son then carried on until 1979.
But, of course, he did some mistakes.
I think the main mistake that he did was to implement the SAVAC.
The SAVAC was this secret society/secret service that was founded when there
And in fact, here it says, according to the classified memo, citing a classified U.S. Senate Foreign Committee, the CAA played a significant role in establishing SAVAC.
providing both funding and training and SAVAC that was in charge of things from 1953 after the 1953 coup d 'etat you can see it was removed and then in 19 there was this this whole thing came together we can eventually if you are interested you can read a little bit about what it says here A U.S. Army colonel working for the CIA was sent to Persia
in September 1953 to work with General Tamar Baoktar, who was appointed military governor of Tehran in December 1953 and immediately began to assemble the nucleus of a new intelligence organization.
So here, it's not...
You can't say the CA has placed the Shah.
Guys, I like to correct people when they go out of control.
The Shah made Savak with the CA, and that was a big mistake.
And in fact, I strongly suggest, but of course he knows that already, that this new Shah, if he eventually gets impacted, I was discussing this with my Italian audience yesterday about the SAVAC,
because in Italy we had the same things the SAVAC did, were done by Operation Gladio, by people in charge of the P2 and other bodies that work behind the scenes against communism in Italy.
And they did exactly the same thing Savak did, but the Italians didn't rebel.
Unfortunately, they had the same oppressed republic, corrupt by the mafia and so on.
And that's maybe why the Freemasons and the Vatican trusted the Italian mobsters with getting the gold out of Iran in 1979, because they are the biggest crooks in the whole Mediterranean.
So I think...
But there were many SAVAKs around the world that went unchecked.
And this happened, though.
In Iran, it happened that because of the Shia, the Yatollahs, the secret societies, that they themselves established them in reaction to the SAVAK.
I explained here in the 1950s the Sikh societies started to base their ideas also in modalities on groups like the Ash Ashins which are of Shia faith.
So that's very important here to explain why we can't have a new sabacc but also why this I think that
Just imagine, Christy, all the banana republics in South America and Central America and all the terrible things that were done by Operation Condor.
Guys, let's be honest about things.
In the 1950s, there wasn't such thing as democracy.
There was a post-Second World War, a new world order that was simply laying down, you know, their foundations.
Khomeini, like a frightened rat, has gone into hiding underground and has lost control of the situation.
What has begun is irreversible.
I spoke with him moments ago.
The exiled Crown Prince of Iran.
Here's our talk.
Crown Prince, thank you very much for joining us at this historic moment in time.
It's good to have you with us.
Good afternoon, Martha.
Good to be with you as well.
Tell me, first of all, Crown Prince, what is your understanding of what is actually the situation on the ground right now in Iran?
The latest report that we have had, Marta, is that the control apparatus of the regime is almost collapsing, and we see more and more of that sort of reports that are coming to us from personnel within the military or intelligence that says so, that it's really falling apart much faster than it was, let's say, last week.
The problem, however, is that the regime has Cut off the nation from any communication, internet, and even landlines are down.
Families that are trying to figure out what's happening to their loved ones cannot communicate.
And I hope that we can overcome this problem very soon so the nation is not detached or unable to communicate, which, as you know, is crucial for anything that needs to be done.
The regime is so desperate that it's now taking this initiative to impede on the process.
But I know we will overcome this.
It's a big challenge.
And my competitors are extremely resilient.
Many of them have stood, you know, in Tehran, besides those who have left the capital city.
And their resolve is amazing.
The courage is really amazing.
It's a shout out to them that despite all the hardship, they believe that this time victory is near and we need that courage and that moral support that the world needs to also give us, that this time they're going to be on our side rather than.
Continue thinking that this regime will ever provide a solution.
historic opportunity to put an end to all the problems, not just the nuclear threat, but every other thing that has been associated with this regime ever since it took over.
And I think my compatriots have proven that despite the threats, despite the repression, despite being executed, besides being tortured, besides being shot in the eye, they're still in the streets, standing firm, and hopefully at some point the world will say, now it's time for us to step in and allow for this process to take its natural
course, help the Iranian people overcome this regime, because everybody as a result will benefit, not just my compatriots, of course, but I think many people around the world will understand how different Iran could be for all of us.
You know, it requires a boost on the ground or even a direct involvement of the United States beyond the fact that they might use these stealth bombers that are on the way.
once we have destabilized this regime it's up to the Iranian people and that's what also These days we had a lot of talk, you know, and we have all these so-called experts on the internet saying, oh, Netanyahu is evil, Trump is evil if he follows Netanyahu, and all this BS.
guys this is much bigger than netanyahu and trump this go this is something that goes back And none of this will have happened without that idiot of Jimmy Carter.
But aside from that, the Pablavi office and headquarters is in Falls Church, which is basically very close to Langley.
We are talking about the headquarters of the CA.
And all this is connected since the early 90s to the lodge.
Number 90 that was basically chartered in 1991 and started to be full operation in 1992.
I found a document of importance of this lodge which I want to share with you because I think that people need to understand that, of course, there is Parts of Freemasonry which are evil.
But there is also parts of Freemasonry that at times are used for implementing something good.
I mean, guys, we will not have the actual United States of America without Freemasons.
So, you know, we can't always blame the Freemasons for everything.
These guys who have created this lodge in the early 90s, there's a whole story here that I found in a publication, an official publication of the District of Columbia Grand Lodge.
Here you can see it, the Voice of Free Masonry in the nation's capital.
This is about the official publication of the Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons of Washington, D.C. This is the whole story of the Iranian brethren who, after a squabble with the Grand Lodge of Iran in exile, eventually ended up being invited to a luncheon in Connecticut Avenue, hosted by a grandmaster there.
And then this grand secretary, this guy actually...
He is one of the founding members of this lodge with other Iranians.
But, like I said, these people are connected also with the CIA.
We talked about the fact that the first day the protesters were shouting "Kamen Eizahak!" It was because it was filtered from people within Iranian Freemasonry to the protesters,
the guy who is most, the one who is more known and more involved is the guy who has given birth to this lodge, who is very close to the Fablavi family and his most worshipful brother, Mansour Atefi, which we're gonna go and see, who is also the
You see, he wears a funny hat today.
And this guy here, born in Iran and educated, you can read a little bit, because this guy is one of the people who has been more involved In this possible regime change.
Please, Christine.
Okay.
Grandmaster 2000.
Born in Iran and educated there and in England, most worshipful master, Brother Patefi, holds a combined bachelor's degree in law and political science and a master of business administration degree.
About 20 years ago, he came to the United States in search of a new beginning away from his native country.
An alumni of London School of Economics and Political Sciences, he pursued advanced studies in the field of economics and political, oh, I'm sorry, and a field of freedom of information at the George Washington University.
Five years ago, he married his lovely lady Farah, both of whom enjoy a high degree of popularity.
The Voice of America, where they both work as international radio journalists, takes advantage of their linguistic abilities by using their talents in broadcasting to foreign countries.
Atef Lodge was one of those lodges that were born with the Grand Lodge of Iran in exile.
Then, like I said, there was a squabble after an election that went a little bit in the wrong direction.
and so then they went and chartered the charter of Merloge number 19 in 1991 and he was a founding member of
D.C. We're giving you these insights because it's very important.
This guy is the main collaborator of Pablavi, so I wanted to introduce you to the behind-the-scenes.
We're lucky that you have all of this Masonic knowledge.
I have a little.
Yeah, you were initiated.
I'm not a Freemason anymore.
I'm not a Freemason anymore.
You were initiated, so you're always a Freemason.
I don't consider myself that.
But that's okay.
In any case, What happened was this.
they you know what ritual they use in this in the grand lodge of Iranian exile they use a ritual in Farsi which is Emulation is used basically by the United Grand Lodge of England.
At the end of the 60s, when they eventually charged the Grand Lodge of Iran, that later on became the Grand Lodge of Iran in exile once they fled Iran, they continued to lose this emulation ritual.
But this is an English ritual.
Nobody uses it in America.
So then they had to go through a whole thing about the dispensation of using this ritual here in America.
And it became a big thing until the Grand Lodge of Washington this year, Columbia, approved the use of the emulation ritual in Farsi.
So they are using the English style ritual.
Of course they are.
Later on, they participate to the higher degrees.
Some of them do it, of course, following the Supreme Council that is operating, also connected to the Grand Lodge of the District of Columbia.
There is, though, also a Supreme Council, as we said here, in Santa Monica of the Grand Lodge of Iran in exile, which they still consider their mother lodge.
I wanted to show the website of this Mer Lodge because it's very sophisticated.
I found it very sophisticated and very technologic.
I found it very sophisticated and very technologic.
This is the lodge, Mare Lodge number 90, Washington DC, about Mare Lodge.
You have the whole story of this lodge.
They have a whole motto.
Yes.
Maybe you answered this before.
I wanted you to read this, by the way.
Many masons are aware that there have been Let's start with the history.
Many masons.
Curiously, what has ensued in Washington is connections with the history of Masonry in Persia, now modern Iran.
And here it gives you an insight on how the Iranians started becoming Freemasons in the early 19th century, how they arrived, of course, after the Islamic Anyway,
my question is about President.
And I know that we answered that we know that he was not a Jesuit because he went to the school and everything.
Is he a Freemason?
He has been very close to Freemasons who might have even appointed some honorary degree to him.
I don't have any confirmation that he was ever an active Mason.
I think a lot of people wanted to know that.
Yes, yes.
But this Mer Lodge, which we have just showed you also the website, is the lodge that now, because after many years, it went back into, now that the Gran Lodge is also in exile, has full recognition with the Gran Lodge of California, and of course the Gran Lodge of California then has full recognition with the District of Columbia and everything.
Now the things are working, they're working all together.
They're using Mer Lodge, apparently, as a lodge that filters some of the requests also with the political world in Washington, D.C. So that's why today I wanted to talk about this other Iranian lodge working with the CA and working for a regime change that might come.
Now, we're not necessarily stating That everything that comes out of Freemasonry is positive.
We know that, unfortunately, there's been also a lot of negative things coming out of Freemasonry.
But when it's used for the good, it might be a good tool.
It was used by those people who the Boston Tea Party gave birth to the American Revolution.
So I must not have been so bad after all.
Let's move forward with what Pavlavi said.
We know that President Trump is currently considering the use of a bunker buster bomb on the Fordo facility in Iran, which is believed to have a nuclear facility buried deep into the ground.
What would you say to President Trump as he considers that option?
One of the concerns that often is associated with hitting nuclear facilities is the risk of radiation.
That could be something very important to contemplate.
I hope it doesn't get to this point.
I think there's enough damage done to the regime without having to take it to the next level.
You see what he says?
I mean, this is very important for all those people who have been also following Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, and all the alarmism.
we are at the end of the world with the Netanyahu blah blah blah by the way What are you going to do now, Alex?
You've got to change your tune, too.
No, Alex has already changed his tune.
Oh, if that happens, Alex.
Now, today, Alex has said that he's sure that Iran has the possibility now of materializing a nuclear bomb, so we have to stop.
Oh, of course.
Alex, I'm glad that you have understood, but I would strongly suggest, my dear Alex, as your friend, to read this book, Volume 10. What?
He's not my friend.
He's my friend.
I mean, I've been working with you.
Well, you need better friends.
no but in any case alex has always been very courteous and i've been many times on his show It's a very important book, guys.
And today, I wanted, before we move forward, maybe with Pavlavi, the rest of his speech, also point out that the Pope has discussed the dangers of artificial intelligence.
Who knows if he's sincere or not?
The better element, much stronger than a bomb and much more effective, are the people themselves.
I'll tell you something, Martha, in the past 48 hours and of course even before that, but especially as a result of this latest campaign, many elements within the military have reached out to me.
They're communicating the fact that they're ready to defect, they're ready to peel away from the regime, they're willing to join with the people and demonstrate that to the people, some elements within the intelligence sector, as well as the bureaucratic setup.
We are seeing more and more defections beginning to take place, which is something that I anticipated and I have called for, because they realized that it's pointless to stay there and try to And there are, at the end of the day, some proud nationalists.
They believe in Iran's territorial integrity.
They believe that their job is to protect the nation, not to kill people under the regime's orders.
So this element is one of the factors that is beginning to happen.
I hope that in any consideration that we have, including President Trump, he realizes that this is something So I think a strategic cause might be required at some point to allow that process to demonstrate itself and allow the regime to start falling on its own weight, so to speak.
And we are leaving these moments as I speak to you right now.
So I hope it doesn't get to a point that we have to go even further.
But again, I'm not a military strategist, or am I an advisor to the president.
I'm just telling you that Iranians just because diplomacy has failed.
And instead allow for the process of change at the hand of the people themselves to take place.
He's saying very good things here.
Allow the process of change with the people of Iran.
Guys, including Alex, including Steve Bannon, including everybody else, please listen to what Reza Pavlavi is saying.
we need to stay out of it we can encourage this regime change but ultimately it's the people of Iran who will have I mean, we can't help them.
And of course, I'm sure that now Khamenei is really scared.
He has already nominated his successor, saying that he's ready to be martyred for the cause.
know i mean they love that in islam especially in shia islam to become martyrs of the cause but in any case i hope the future of iran
And I remember decades ago, there was a website I used to collaborate with, Rents.com, that published an article in which they were saying, oh, well, the Masons are anti-Islam and want to remove all the religious leaders from Iran because they are against religion.
Well, if religion is Shia Islam in the version portrayed by the Ayatollah, well, thank God they want to remove it because they are sick in their heads, those Ayatollahs.
And I tell you guys, I have many Iranian friends in my life.
Many Iranian friends in my life.
So I can tell you really how things are.
I have even Iranian blood.
people say, Zagami is an Iranian surname.
One guy came to me and said, it means...
Because my ancestor was Ali Zaham.
But the thing that I have Shia in there, because they actually dominated the people of Iran.
You have these eyes, though.
They dominated Sicily, no?
You have these eyes, these dark eyes.
you know, I could see you.
I could, I could, I was going to say it.
I could pass it through.
You can put a turban on, ride a camel, and all that.
Don't mix things up.
We don't hear about Peritans, not Arabs.
But in any case, the Fatimids, they were Shia.
And I wrote about it in volume 10 of my confessions, guys, because this is a very important book for those who know and want to really know.
I consider that as a critical factor as opposed to our only option after failed diplomacy is further military strikes.
You would not want to see the United States use this bunker buster at Fordo.
Is that correct?
You would discourage that.
Well, I hope that as the regime is crumbling, is that enough of a factor to have neutralized it sufficient that it cannot do anything harmful, at least in the immediate?
Because the whole argument about striking is because of the imminence of the regime's threat.
They've been completely dismantled.
The apparatus of air defense, the apparatus of retaliation is almost taken out.
So I think that sort of pushes back a little bit the envelope, which would allow sufficient time for another phenomenon to occur, which is the one I just explained to you.
Allow the Iranian people to overcome this regime, help them do that, because that option is always on the table.
But what's the rush here?
People are, to them, the ultimate factor.
It scares the regime the most.
So the more the people are empowered, the quicker we can reach that end.
So you have said that you don't seek power, but you are ready to fulfill a duty if called upon.
If the people supported or asked you to return as Shah for a period of time during transition, would you be open to that option?
I don't think I need a title to perform as a transitional leader.
I think the reason people are looking for me to play that role is because of their confidence in me, their trust in me, and I think to a great extent the track record that I've demonstrated in the past 44 years since I've begun.
And that trust in me allows me to play that national leader role, if you will, and be able to be the element that assembles people together on a common agenda.
Knowing that we might differ in opinion, but we are committed to the democratic outcome.
So I don't think I need to have any particular title that will be putting the carriage before the horse, so to speak.
Let us be focused on the job at hand.
The job at hand is, A, eliminate this regime and replace it with a secondary democratic alternative.
And this is exactly the endgame that I'm looking at, and I'm not looking past that one at this time.
I'm focused only on this mission, and I hope my competitors will understand that we need not prematurely discuss issues that will be determined down the line.
So he's encouraging the people to change the trajectory in Iran more so than the potential of a bomb destroying Fordo.
So we're going to have more of our conversation in just a moment.
This is really important.
This is really what you have to focus on, a regime change that is that want finally some normality.
They want to go back to when Iran was a modern country where women were dressed in the Western way and didn't have to put They were really modern in Iran.
It's not fair what happened.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And God would never want that.
God would never want that.
It's terrible what the Iranians had to go through because of these people, and maybe in the future we will show you some images of what Iran used to be.
It was a really great country, guys, a really great country.
However, some mistakes were made.
I'm sure that Reza knows very well, not to repeat the mistakes made by his father, but also his father said, To his son, you have to carry on.
I place in you, you know.
He actually wanted that.
He really wanted his son to carry on and to become his successor.
So I wish him well on that.
There are people who say, ah, no, because he's not strong mentally enough.
He's not, he doesn't have the, you know, even Patrick David was, like I wrote in my article, doubting maybe that he could be really strong enough to take on that role.
I think that, you know, one thing is a guy, a 20-year-old guy, whose father dies and who suddenly finds himself in a foreign land and declares himself king, of course, with Jimmy Carter opposing the whole thing, and then he trying to, and then at the same time they were trying to place another member of the family also as an hypothetic.
I mean, he was very young.
And so he made some mistakes initially, maybe, you know.
Now he's, of course, a guy who has an experience.
And even in 2001, when he was actually pushing for a regime change, he was probably a guy with less experience than he is now.
I mean, here is...
I know what it means to have experience.
And I think that his years here in America in exile have prepared him well for taking on that role.
Don't you think so, Christine?
Yeah, well, people don't have to stay the same.
People can change.
God gives us that ability to be able to change ourselves with his help.
Of course, he could change.
He had the blonde Swedish model, and then he had this.
But then he got married and then he brought up a nice family.
And then, you know, I mean, like I said, he is a guy who has lived also a very difficult experience because to become a...
So, and I'm talking to you from a personal point, you know, I'm in exile myself in a way, but now I have found a new country and I am American.
But initially, in 2019, I was also a man in exile.
Yeah, you were.
We didn't know if we were going to be able to stay, even though I'm American.
We just didn't know.
You just don't know.
You have faith.
And we have faith.
We kept pushing forward and we have faith and we pray.
And thanks to all of you who follow also our show.
We made it possible with all my books and everything to make for myself here living in the United States.
And finally, through my success also as an author, I demonstrated to the immigration authorities that I was doing better.
Well, like with my experience with you, that I noticed that...
I felt it when I met you in 2009.
Something changes inside of you.
And then like in 2019, something changed inside of us.
And, you know, it's like it was like almost like an automatic thing where you go through each each thing that you have to do and you keep pushing forward and you keep moving.
focus and vision and you don't get distracted by anything else because there was so much distraction in that time from covid to you know insurrections and everything else and everyone was distracted but we had to stay focused and we couldn't do a lot of things that we would have liked to do like we had to um um we
And so when we met people, we couldn't hang out and we couldn't stay out late because it was so important.
You put this thing in front of you that's so important and then you focus on it.
And the books also are the same kind of thing.
It's like you put all of your heart and your focus on these books.
And even if people aren't seeing it right now, we have so much faith and vision with these books that I know that people will see someday the bigger picture in all of it.
Thank you very much.
I just want to straighten up a couple of people in the chat.
Yes, Reza is 65, not 86. 86 is his main helper in the Mer Lodge we discussed today, which is this gentleman here.
Who we have been discussing because his brother Mansoul Atefi, who's been one of the main helpers of the court in exile.
We wish them well, really, guys.
We wish them well because in any case, I think that Iranians abroad, all the Iranians I ever met in my life, most of them in exile, they were always eager to go back and they couldn't go back.
A lot of people, you know.
We know what that's like, too.
And you're still being persecuted in Italy.
And, you know, we're taking a higher stance on it now and fighting because he's not able to go to Italy without a bunch of persecution.
At the moment, I've asked personally myself help to the American ambassador in Rome.
To see if I can go and visit my mother, my friends, the people who I've grown up with.
What kind of bullshit is that?
I mean, this is crazy.
I mean, Italy is supposed to be a democratic country, but we know that they're far from it.
That's why I'm really happy that Trump has got Europe to shut up in regards to this whole thing in the Middle East.
They are really the worst scumbags at the moment, the European Union and the people.
They don't have any form of freedom.
They are censored left, right and center.
They still have people censoring their posts on Facebook, you know, having fact checkers.
You remember the fact checkers we had during the Joe Biden era?
They still have them in Europe because they are oppressed by a...
They're desperate for it.
And very good.
Trump said to both Lindsey Graham and to Mike Pompeo, who went to Kiev, stop giving these guys the idea that we're going to continue supporting them for a war against Russia.
We are not interested.
We don't want that kind of thing.
So, guys, today, me and Christy made a couple of pizzas.
Now, in the last few weeks, a couple of weeks, actually, to be precise, I have become the pizza topper.
I've decided that Christy needed a hand to...
He decided.
I decided.
He decided.
So, this is my second margarita pizza.
Mm-hmm.
So you make the base.
Explain that you find the base that is...
That's the crust in this pre-dain horse.
I'm just the guy who puts the toppings on and so That's important, too.
You have, of course, the recipe to make.
And it's great pizza.
There's a family.
That was very good.
It was such a great margarita.
Yeah?
It was such a great margarita.
You like this margarita, eh?
Yeah, it was really good.
I mean, it was very good.
I like the fact that we can divide, you know, because actually I said to Christy, you know, in Italy, in the pizzerias, you have the pizza guy, the guy who makes the actual, you know, like you, the dough, everything.
And Christy teaches you how to make the whole process here in this book.
But then you have also the guys in charge of the toppings.
And so I became the guy in charge of the toppings.
somebody says an egg on top.
Well, an egg will have been Chrissy doesn't The boiled egg with then a piece of prosciutto, a piece of little olive.
One day I'm going to force you to do it.
Get out of here.
I don't want that.
I was in Italy and I don't want it.
Yeah, but I like it.
You can like it and eat it.
Today, this is my other choice of pizza that I made.
Can I show you?
This is the other pizza, Christy.
This is another pizza.
I made the toppings, peppers, and artichoke.
And this was good too, no?
Yeah.
I missed my pecorino.
You wanted a little bit more pecorino in the base.
It was good, though.
Next week, I'm going to blast.
I think I suggest, instead of putting just pecorino, because you like the pecorino in that way, I think you should make the cream of pecorino.
Well, I can try it.
That would be even better.
In any case, guys, really, you want to save money?
Because these days they rip you off left, right and center when you go to restaurants.
We had to spend 182 on my birthday.
For a pizza and it wasn't that great.
For my birthday, it was terrible.
Well, the pizza was okay.
Well, of course, if you have a wooden oven, you must be an idiot to not get the pizza right.
If I had a wooden oven, forget about it.
Forget about it.
Forget about it.
you know, every day.
But in any case, this book...
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The final dance.
You know how it is.
The final dance, things are flowing around here.
I dance all over the place.
chairs for all things.
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