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June 15, 2025 - The Leo Zagami Show
01:31:44
The Illuminati Infiltration of Christianity, Judaism & Islam
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The year before the Jesuits were officially suppressed by the Vatican and became a great tool in the hands of somebody called Napoleon.
Then we have, of course, the Jesuits, which eventually are the ones that are behind everything in the last 500 years.
music Welcome to Far Out with Faust, everybody.
I am Faust Ciccio, in case you're just tuning in for the first time, and I am joined once again by someone who I now know is truly an OG in this game and who's been around a long time.
And since our first interview, I've read a lot of his work, and he just keeps putting out incredibly important information.
His name is Leo Zagami.
Let me tell you a little bit about him.
And then we're going to get into it.
Leo is a writer and a researcher.
His grandfather was a Sicilian politician who was also a known historian and author who married into aristocracy.
Leo's mother, Jessica Lyon Young, is a member of the family of the Queen Mother of England.
Leo Zagami, a.k.a.
Leo Young, Leo was a well-known and renowned in media and the music industry as a record producer, but gained global notoriety in 2006 because of his direct involvement and knowledge to the New World Order and the secret societies so often referred to as the Illuminati.
His writings rose quickly and gained great notoriety from such people as David Icke, Alex Jones, because it's accurate, evidence-based information.
And around 2009, Leo began publishing books in Europe and Japan based on a variety of subjects from secret societies to the Vatican, Freemasonry, geopolitical matters concerning Leo, welcome back.
Thank you for beaming in, dude.
It just takes such a big heart and giant, like, you know, Giant balls to do what you do.
I appreciate you, man.
I appreciate you taking a little time out from me.
Well, it's always a pleasure.
I think the last time we talked was a couple of years ago.
Yes, it was.
So, I mean, it's been far too long.
Since then, I've been publishing a set of new books, volume 10, 11, 12, which you see behind me.
And this is actually the last installment of my confession series.
There will no longer be any confessions because it was a project that I built a little bit like a pyramid going all the way to the top.
And so this is, as the cover shows, the all-seeing eye.
of this pyramid in which we finally meet the controllers of the controllers or the control, the controllers of the Freemasons, the think tanks, the Illuminati.
So many times I had this question put through to me: who controls this?
Who controls that?
And ultimately, this is revealed in the last installment, which is, by the way, also a bestseller and, at the moment, my bestselling book.
So it's really being appreciated, also because this book is written on facts.
There is no speculative elements in it.
I wanted to really...
Fordham and so on.
I had to really do a good job in order to not have any problems later on and it seems like it's really going well and there has been, up until now, No criticism in regards to the content.
They tried to say, oh, well, this is just an historic book based on historical facts that are already well known.
No, this book brings new evidence together with the historical evidence, which is used to support eventually the claims I'm making in this book.
Because as you know, my experience, in the Illuminati, in the Freemasons for many years has put me in contact at times with the Illuminati, with their think tanks, with their lodges, with their occultists.
And so I think that ultimately we can say that the New World Order is not so happy about the publication of this new book, which is actually entitled History, Secret Societies and the Politics of the Jesuit New World Order and the Luciferian Court.
So it's a pleasure to be on Far Out with Faust today to present this book and to present all my latest work because I also published, since we last spoke, Volume 11, which is...
And then I also published volume 10, which is instead the secret societies and also the Islamic film.
It's not really a well-known topic.
No, it's not.
And it has received, actually, praises even from within the Muslim world.
Wow.
With the sheikhs reviewing it online.
Paradoxically.
I was expecting a backlash from the Muslim world, which never came, because in the end, it was written in a way that was respectful.
At the same time, it was bringing out evidence that they themselves couldn't debunk.
So they came to the conclusion that even Mohammed will have probably appreciated this effort, and I was quite impressed by that.
That's amazing.
And you know what?
The truth is that stuff doesn't belong.
And so, you know, if they're being honest about it and they can recognize it's there, I'm sure they want to, you know, do away with it and keep Islam as pure as it's supposed to be.
So, you know, it makes sense that a lot of them were eventually grateful for you for exposing that because people don't ever, you rarely hear that subject come up.
So that's pretty awesome.
Yeah, because at times it seems like it's much, it's more easy for a Muslim to condemn the Freemasons in league with the Zionists, the Jewish conspiracy, and all that.
It's kind of like, without really reflecting on the fact that many Muslims are themselves Freemasons.
And so it's like a little bit, there's an element of hypocrisy which I wanted to clear.
I think that, in fact, like you said, they have probably appreciated that.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And, you know, like, so Freemasonry, just a side note, like, I understand that there is kind of a history or I should say a legacy of what you could probably safely call racism towards certain races being involved in Freemasonry.
Like, and I did hear at one point that up until recently, you...
That's not really correct.
They had simply their own form of Freemasonry, which was known as Prince of Freemasonry, because in the last two centuries what happened was that the whole history of African-American Freemasonry Developed separately.
Because of segregation, a freed slave called Prince Saul founded the African Lodge and gave birth to a form of Freemasonry, which only in the 90s, and thanks also to the work conducted by the United Grand Lodge of England,
which recognizes and is in charge of the recognition of all the regular Grand Lodges, to push The so-called regular white lodges here in the United States to recognize their counterparts in each state.
So, to say that there is no Freemason in the African-American world would be completely erroneous because some of the most important figures in the African-American culture in the black community are Freemasons and are Freemasons.
Makes a lot of sense now that I am thinking about it.
You know, we talked a lot about the Freemasons the last time that we spoke.
You may have heard of David Whitehead.
He's been around a while.
Him and I talked about the Knights Templar.
And I was wondering, you know, where do the Rosicrucians fit in with kind of the Knights Templar and then you have...
Where would you say the Rosicrucians fit into all that?
Well, the original Rosicrucians, because then the Rosicrucians were quickly infiltrated by the Jesuits, as I explain in my latest book.
You see, the actual original Rosicrucians born out of that Reformation that was fighting the Catholic Church.
There was a big war of religion at the time.
Let's not forget when the first manifestos appeared.
In the early 17th century, in Germany, there was this big war of religion that will only end up after probably 20 years after the actual publications of the first resurrection manifesto.
That was the initial stage of the Rosicrucian legacy, which itself is connected to the Templar legacy.
So we can say that most Rosicrucian mysticism Or the allegorical myth which goes with it, the history of Christian Rosencruz, which is a mythological but mostly a symbolic figure.
And I will explain you why, like I did in volume 12. But I also explained this in volume 10 because it connects with the Islamic world.
You see?
In volume 12, I connected to the Jesuits because the Jesuits were founded by a Basque Spaniard, Ignatius Loyola, Inigo, initially the Loyola, that was his initial name before embracing the name Ignatius.
He was born in a contest in which, in the whole Iberic peninsula, the Inquisition was purging.
The knowledge and also the connections that led to the Moorish culture that was prevalent and that they wanted to purge out of the very peninsula to substitute, of course, with the Catholic Christian tradition.
And at the same time, they went after the Jewish people who were forced to convert.
And so we had the conversos, we had the maranos.
So the alumbrados, Which Ignacio Loyola, the founder of the Jesuits, was part of, were mixing Islamic mysticism with Kabbalah, with Gnosticism, in a context of the Beric Peninsula, which filtered all that knowledge that was lost from the Middle East.
You see, when there was the fall of the Roman Empire, there was also a loss of knowledge.
There was the Dark Ages for real.
And so that knowledge that came back and then would be picked up in Italy and formed the basis for the Renaissance was actually filtered from the Iberic Peninsula because the translations often were from Moorish sources, from Arab sources.
And for that reason, I also explain which cultures in the Middle East are connected to this knowledge that was somehow preserved.
And then refiltered and pushed back into Europe.
So we own a debt towards Islam because without them, in fact, we will not have the numbers that we use.
We call them commonly Arab numbers.
No, they're not the Roman numbers.
We don't use, contrary to...
I would say that it's very important for people when they discuss the Rosicrucian tradition to understand the context in which all this was born.
And so this context of knowledge, often forbidden by the Inquisition, In Spain, we had the infamous Spanish Inquisition.
I mean, they made the Monty Python jokes about it.
It's like one of the most fearless and crude, you know, let's say, is an example of the worst that mankind can put together when you go after your enemy, using at times, we would say, accusing them of things they have never done.
At the same time, there were, of course, people who were doing black magic.
There were witch doctors.
There were people involved in witchcraft of black magic.
But it wasn't always the case.
There was always an instrumental use of the Inquisition.
Now, the founder of the Jesuits himself was arrested several times before he will be eventually approved by the Vatican in 1540.
And so the experience of the Jesuits was initially of being persecuted.
At the time, the whole structure of the Inquisition was born after Dominic Guzman, the founder who was the founder of the Dominican Order.
The Dominicans were in charge of the Inquisition.
And then, paradoxically, the Jesuits took over the Inquisition who had persecuted them.
Why?
Because the Vatican recognized that maybe by having an order knowledgeable and acquainted with all this occult knowledge that was surfacing here and there, they could actually have maybe a better chance also of fighting the heresies that were spreading across Europe.
Now the Gnostics had already been persecuted also at the time.
With the Knights Templars, the Caters, the Albigens, all these Gnostic Christian movements have been persecuted.
But the Rosicrucians tended to pick up on that knowledge.
And then that knowledge eventually would become one of the major mystery schools involved in the foundation of speculative Freemasonry.
So here is for you the answer to your initial question.
It's amazing how it's like a serpent, the way it gets its way through everything, you know, and then ends up.
Yes, because, for example, in Volume 10 of my Confession, I also explain how the Rosicrucians, together with the Sabbatian Frankists, then in a way also help the rise of Nazism from...
All this, of course, is connected.
So people might separate things and that's what unfortunately characterizes the great ignorance of this era.
We tend to blame one specific race, one specific group of people.
In reality, There is, on top of the pyramid, a structure which is very intricate.
And so when I had to read myself many books, I see that maybe the author had a vision that only cleared certain parts, not other parts.
Well, instead, my books want to clear the whole structure.
360 degrees.
That could only be possible with 12 volumes, which you know are pretty thick.
You have all these books and they are all part of this history which culminates, like I said, with the Jesuits because they themselves then went on to infiltrate the Rosicrucians soon after.
The foundation of the first, let's say, the appearance of the Rosicrucian Manifesto and the foundations of the first Rosicrucian groups within the, especially the German aristocracy in particular, the Jesuits went to the north of Europe, find their ideal candidate that could become Maybe also interested in what they were doing.
And that candidate will be Queen Kristina of Sweden.
She helped in...
She was recruited by Athanasius Kircher.
Athanasius Kircher was also...
That is kind of how things worked out with the Jesuits.
So what happened was that they converted the Queen Christina of Sweden, who was actually of the House of Baza, was the Queen of Sweden from 1652 until her abdication in 1654, showing her the great knowledge and what they were doing in Rome.
And she left her position as queen, went to Rome, and became then the patron of the circle of Rosicrucians which gave birth to the golden Rosicrucian tradition, which then was sent back to Germany a century later and became the way they could infiltrate Freemasonry.
And work hand-in-hand also with the Sabbateans, Sabbatean Frankis, because they were also doing the same thing.
And Sabbatean Frankis, for those who don't know it, is a topic that I touched in the last chapter of this book, a very important topic, because today, if we have this mess in the Middle East, it's all because of them.
That's right.
The heretics of the Jewish tradition that developed from Sabbathized Zebi and There's a direct lineage, and for those of you who aren't aware of it, that is what you're seeing play out to this day in Palestine, Israel.
It's stupid to say, you know, the Zionists, the Kazarians, the this, the that, without really having a knowledge.
Why did the Zionists, let's say, rise to some kind of power within the Jewish world as a reaction to the Sabbatian Franky's theority?
But at the same time...
They were nationalist initially, but they were immediately infiltrated by the Sabbatian Frankis to transform them in what is now the labor Zionist reality, which then gave birth to Israel.
So Israel has this DNA, which unfortunately is a DNA...
No.
But it has a lot to do with Jesuitism and with the Sabbatian Frankists that worked along with the Jesuits.
What would you say the most well-known family that falls into that?
The Rothschild, of course, are the typical family that everybody knows about.
the problem is here also in regards to the Rothschild to blame only the Rothschild for all the evil of the world that would be really like okay it's like blaming Hitler for Nazism when Hitler couldn't have made it two feet without contemplating
But it himself, like Rabbi Marvin Alterman said, was a product of the Sabbatean Frankist in a ritual that was conducted in 1888 in which he was himself conceived.
Wow.
You know, speaking of power structures, most people think to this day that the Pope is the top of the pyramid.
And you've exposed much.
Yes, I would say that the Pope is on top of a certain pyramid, but then, of course, the Black Pope, which is the Jesuit general, controls the Pope, who is known as the White Pope.
Instead, the Jesuit general is known as the Black Pope.
That's why today, a lot of people, when they come to me and say, "Oh, but you'd like to blame everything on the Jesuits, but you don't talk about the Jews." I'm like, guys, maybe we need to go back into history of the Jesuits themselves, because the Jesuits were founded by a guy who was suspected himself of being a conversos from the Jewish faith.
But at the same time, his secretary was Jewish and the first collaborators who actually inspired the foundation of it.
So who were these people?
Because here we're talking about something that goes back.
Even earlier than the Sabbatian Frankists.
Now we know that within the Jewish tradition there was black magic because from the moment in which the Arab Arab appeared, which was this class of magicians that follows Moses into the desert in the Exodus.
And so they were the ones who pushed the golden calf.
They were the ones who brought impurity to the Jewish faith.
People who, for example, know all this might finally have a perspective which is honest about everything.
There is, let's say, not a single group that has not been infiltrated by what we commonly refer to as the Illuminati, and so they can be Catholics, and then the Jesuits arrive.
They constitute the infiltration that brings them to where we are now.
We have the Jews who are infiltrated by the Sabbatians.
These are, of course, the most powerful.
But then we have the Muslim world.
The Muslim world that goes back to the great conflict between the Shia.
The Shia faction and the Sunni.
But who founded the Shia faction?
It was a guy called Saba, who was a Jewish guy.
Oh my God, I didn't know that.
Who was a member of the Erev Rav.
So you see, then you go back to start here.
So you have this connection that keeps on reappearing.
And for that reason, you see, when it comes to the Rosicrucian, I mean...
because the most startling, I would say, aspect of this phenomenon is that the conspiracy theorists in the Muslim world have managed to insinuate themselves into mainstream Arab and Turkish discourse and they're always blaming the Jews without really acknowledging that in Cairo There was a legacy of Illuminati that goes back thousands of years because also the Persian world.
I mean, when we talk about the black aristocracy, we talk about, for example, the very roots of the Illuminati.
We go to ancient Sumeria.
where was ancient Sumeria?
It doesn't really It wasn't in Germany.
Do these people know where it was?
because maybe they need a history lesson.
So this is...
So divide and conquer is then the way of dividing things and then putting people against each other.
When you have, for example, the Knights Temple or the Rosicrucians, Or the Freemasons.
There is people that still to this day see them as a divided thing.
when instead the Freemasons themselves have built a series of rites in which they struck their members on the Rosicrucian tradition the Templar tradition the Ashashin tradition Which can be traced back to Egypt and that part of the world.
And then we go back to, like I said in Volume 9 of my Confessions, the Gnostics, the Gnostics of Alexandria, of Egypt, and then going back to ancient Sumerian times and so on.
But then, for example, when it comes down to the Sufis, the first Sufis were Shia within Iran, Iraq.
That's where ancient Sumeria was.
It's not like Islam appeared and suddenly all these old traditions were scraped off the map.
It's a little bit like, I think there has always been a misunderstanding that was of course carefully orchestrated by the historians who are in charge in the universities, which are always controlled by the religious institutions, either Muslims or Christians or whatever,
who have always omitted the fact that, for example, When Catholics, when Christianity arrived in ancient Rome, it's not like these temples of old, these cults that for thousands of years were in Rome suddenly gave up everything.
Right.
They integrated with the new religion.
The same thing, and I demonstrate this in my book, happened with Islam.
Even Muhammad, who himself was very...
started his story, you know, in a way in Mecca, but then he had also started his story in a place which was filled.
by paganism.
The pre-Islamic Arabian Peninsula, where you have the development, it was fueled by goddesses, worship of Isis, but also worship of all goddesses, mother goddesses of all kinds.
So, Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, was born in Mecca in the year 570.
This was a hotbed of paganism and polytheism.
There was no monotheism there.
And so, do you really think that even Muhammad didn't have to come up with some kind of compromise in the end?
No, absolutely.
It would never work without it.
You can never institute that into a society without, you know, grabbing things from the old and just trying to slip it into the...
I mean, it's just not the way society would never be accepted.
It would never catch...
which was integrating Gnostic elements, pagan elements, let's say.
And then this had to be, of course, always done in secret, or the Rosicrucians in the Christian, Catholic, or Protestant world, it was also done in secret.
The Freemasons developed when we were at the, let's say, speculative Freemasonry, because, of course, Freemasonry is much older, but speculative Freemasonry developed when the Inquisition was At the last moments of their history before the Age of Alignment would be completely eradicating the whole thing in the name of reason.
But this is what often we lack from the history lessons when we go to a university.
The fact that, you know, okay, this guy arrived in this city, he forced them to convert to Islam, otherwise he would cut their heads, which, of course, it was true.
But then there was, for example, a lot that is not said in all this.
And so maybe there was those, for example, those people who were a little bit more knowledgeable of certain things who read the Quran and said, "Okay, but I will adopt certain things and I will not adopt other, but in any case, we will." That's right.
Because anybody who wasn't Muslim will have to pay taxes.
Or, for example, in the Christian world, even in Northern Europe, when it comes down to the Viking tradition, the runes, yes, they will convert officially.
But these elements will never really disappear from their tradition.
No.
I just want to make sure that I heard you right.
And maybe this isn't what you were saying, but are you saying that in part it was a Sabbatean who created the division that is still very prominent and probably the most well-known division regarding Islam is the Sufi versus Sunni, the fact that there's still...
It was the Erev Rav.
the Erev Rav, those magicians that were actually of Jewish faith, who came out with Moses because they saw Moses was very powerful.
Moses, we just need to read the Bible, demonstrated his power.
So what happened?
It happened that some of them joined Moses and they infiltrated and became part of the Jewish tradition and from that moment onwards they almost integrated in the Jewish In the Jewish world,
in a way that then became part of the Jewish world, but still they retained those magical practices, black magic practices from ancient Egypt.
And that became the basis in which then Sabbatai Zevi worked to raise his Sabbatean legacy later on.
But that happened only in the 17th century.
That is many centuries later.
Here we're talking about something that goes back to ancient times, to the very moment in which...
The actual deliberate divide and conquer in the Jewish world in regards to the Shia tradition, it was, I think, that what happened was that definitely this guy who himself started to work and to divide the Muslims between Sunni and this new thing that was born with the fourth
caliph, Ali, who was himself one of the warriors, most fierce warriors of Muhammad during the first years of Islam and then married his daughter, Fatima, but then when, you know,
And they kind of like developed in a way that by the fourth caliph, there was a lot of pressure.
And also those pagans who initially didn't accept Islam, Sure.
So there was a lot of pressure.
But then it was this developing.
I think that what happens is this.
We can't blame a specific race or a specific group of people, but we have to also blame the nature of Islam in the way it developed initially.
And from that moment onwards, It became a religion ever so schismatic because they didn't have a central authority.
the Roman Empire, when they embraced Christianity and they created the Council of Nicaea, which, by the way, this year we celebrate the 1700 years since the Council of Nicaea, which was in the...
That's why the Vatican is working very much with all the Christian churches because they are using this moment to create a union which will then be used for the one world religion that they are trying to put together.
So the First Council of Nicaea convened in 325 AD.
It was the first ecumenical council in Christian history.
It was called by Emperor Constantine.
But Islam didn't have that.
Islam didn't have that.
Islam didn't have an empire that embraced them.
Islam had initially a they had to come, they We had to convert a lot of pagan populations, first of all, who were not absolutely neither Christians or Jews.
The Christians or Jews were mentioned in the Koran, so they couldn't be persecuted, but they could be simply forced to pay taxes, which was the reason why some Christians and some Jews kind of went into that convert phase for, you know, avoiding the, you know, if they want to pay tax, I mean, whatever, you're going to have five times a day, you're going to have...
It's an easy price to pay.
Yeah.
Okay.
So Shia Islam, which is today one, is the second branch of Islam.
Of course, Sunni is the majority.
But if we go in the history of Islam, how did they become the majority?
Because their empires that they founded were And because the Vatican from Rome understood that maybe supporting one branch against the other was more convenient because when they started to expand and become a threat to them, then things changed.
And that's where the crusades then came in.
And that's when the Night Stampers were based on So let's say that the secret societies that we now call the Rosicrucians, the Knights Templars, the Freemasons, their origins, though, because you have the Rosicrucians that can be separated from the Freemasons altogether.
Still to this day, we have Rosicrucians who are not Freemasons, who have Knights Templars who are not Freemasons.
But in reality, all these secret societies, their inspiration came from Syria.
Out of all places.
The group, for example, like the Ashashins of Hassani Sabah, which was a schismatic group, Shia group, born within the Cairo Lodge, which was this important group of Illuminati in the reign of the Fatimid Empire.
Now, the Fatimid Empire was Shia, and it was very powerful.
They eventually will disappear.
Today, Egypt is Sunni and Shia instead doesn't have, but still they retain some of that knowledge.
So it creates a lot of problems for Christians to understand all these nuances and all this.
So that's why I advise you strongly to read this book.
Read the books, yes.
Read the book.
For example, here you have inside this book an image.
Now, this image has never been shown to the public before.
It's kept in a deposit in Turkey.
They refused to put it in a museum because this image was found in the 1950s in a former Church of the Knights Templars and it represents Mohammed on the Cross, which was worshipped in secret by the Knights Templars.
That was Baphomet.
If you go to a Muslim and say Muhammad on the cross, they're going to cut your throat for even saying that.
First of all, in the religion of Islam, you can't even depict Muhammad.
You can't paint him.
You're not allowed, right?
Yeah.
That's why you don't see...
To even put him on a cross and worship him.
But why did this happen?
Because they were following a schismatic group like...
So you see, there is a lot of things that bring confusion, let's say, in a way or in another.
No, the Shia faith, it's one of them.
Because, like I explained in volume 10, it was prone to schism.
And so...
Imagine the Fatimid Empire at one point owned the Arab Peninsula.
Huge.
From Mecca to Cairo to Sicily, to the south of Italy.
I mean, here we're talking about a massive empire.
Yeah.
You could see why the Crusades, right?
That's what instigated the Crusades.
No, no, but then something happened.
What?
Turks started to expand and they will become the base for the biggest and more fierce and when Saladin arrived and the Ottoman ideal kind of started to creep in and then brought to what will eventually manifest with Istanbul because Constantinople was the second most important Christian city in the world.
Still, to this day, one of the most important seats of Orthodox Christianity is paradoxically an Islamic town like Istanbul, because people don't understand that at one point Rome and Istanbul were the two centers.
But when the Muslims conquered Istanbul, that became the seat of real power.
And the Sunnis, because the Saladin was a Sunni, So he went after, he was really forcing the intervention of the Vatican at that point, who issued the Crusades, and made a secret alliance with the Shia and with the Ashishins,
where they learned a lot from the Ashishins in matters of not only even how they dressed but even how they fought at war Up until the year 1000 in the Christian tradition, we didn't have any holy wars.
We didn't want any holy wars because Jesus himself never said to go and conquer.
So, who inspired these holy wars?
The Muslims.
So nowadays, when the Muslims say, they crusade, they crusade.
And in this book, I kind of put a mirror in front of them and I say, listen.
The tradition was picked up from your tradition.
So if you never had that tradition in the first place, to consider the Koran the most holy book you had to immolate themselves, you will never have had the Crusades in the first place.
Right.
But so who really instigated the Crusades?
Was it done by the Roman Empire to...
Or was it a combination of both religious, ideological, of course… is always geopolitical interest you know so then you know what the vatican and roman
The barbarians have brought the Pope to his knees, almost, even if, in the end, he managed to survive.
Rome was no longer in charge of its empire.
So, at that point, things changed very much.
But at the same time, Rome then found a new way of controlling millions of people through religion, because it became the city.
Of the most important place on the planet when it came down to the Christian faith, aside from Jerusalem.
So, history brought Peter, the disciple number one of Jesus, to go to Rome.
Of course, Rome was the capital of the empire.
If you want to launch a new faith, a new sect, where do you go?
To Rome.
If you want to launch it here in America, in theory.
You will go to Washington.
To D.C., that's right.
I mean, if we want to make an example, of course, a stupid example, but you go to the place which represents the country.
Really the only place you can go to launch something like that.
But also, you know, Rome had a very big tradition when it came to religions.
It was capable, since the persecution of Jesus, though, It was possible because it was in a context in which it was abroad.
It was in Israel.
But in Rome, all religions were accepted if you were respectful of the state.
So, making, transforming, initially the Christians were persecuted because they were seen as dangerous.
That's why they met in the catacombs.
They met under Rome.
Rome is a city that basically has an underground city under it.
And so they conspired until at one point, though, they emerged victorious as the religion of the empire.
Their interest of the Christians wasn't to become one of the many faiths.
No, not at all.
It was to become the faiths that integrated all the others.
And that's why Catholicism means universal.
It means to integrate all the other faiths.
and this regardless of Jesus and whatever he did 2000 years ago so answering to what you said we can say clearly that we are talking here about a also political
Now, going back to the Crusaders, they were born out of a concept which reflected the concept of holy war, which was born within the Islamic world, which is the concept of ribat.
Ribat refers to the voluntary defense of Islam, in which these ribats were 45 centers, and so They had more than a regular empire because wherever they converted a king, they owned it.
The Vatican, at that point, owned them almost.
So then you have, in the centuries following, you will have the development of the Portuguese Empire, the Spanish Empire, and even here in America, where here in the United States, people think, oh, well, 1776, that was mainly a Protestant endeavor.
In my latest book, I demonstrated that it wasn't at all only a Protestant project.
Because remember one thing, the Jesuits were the number one enemies of the Reformation, of the Church of England.
And when they saw an opportunity to fight England, well, they supported that opportunity.
So who do you think they supported in the end?
George Washington or the king in England?
George Washington, right?
So that's why...
but they donated the very land which the Capitol Hill is established on.
And they sent a painter from Rome to paint the Apotheosis of Washington on the Capitol Hill.
Wow.
My God.
You know, some say that the Vatican is falling and others say it's continuing to evolve into something darker than it is, if that's possible.
And, you know, it's 2025.
We have Israel being accused of...
You know, we can argue over the definition of genocide, but it sure seems like it's killing a lot of people.
Because the thing is, you know, people need to understand what is Israel.
Israel is a construct of the Rothschild and the Sabbatian Frankists.
That's right.
At one point, forced, unfortunately, the Orthodox Jews out of Europe with pogroms, holocausts, and so on.
That's right.
People don't know that.
People don't know that, and then they blame the Jews.
The Jews, poor guys, I mean, the majority of the Jews was not necessarily...
That's the thing.
Most of the Jews don't even know what is a Sabbatian Frankist.
That's the problem here.
I know.
It's wild.
It's wild.
It's just, I mean, you know, the indoctrination and the search.
It's just rampant.
And so it's like impossible to have a true conversation with people because they just have no idea.
It's very sad though.
Very sad.
Let me tell you.
It's very sad because blaming, for example, a religion or blaming a race.
Yes.
No, I agree.
Okay, I would say that it's more easy to blame a religion than to blame a race, because maybe a religion can become corrupt.
A faith that infiltrates a race, okay, can become blamable to some extent, especially if that faith is built on the wrong premises.
The fact that you are blaming a whole race, for example, like when they say there is this popular conspiracy on the internet, the Khazarians.
Yeah.
The Khazarians never...
I mean the Khazarian existed.
They were simply a nation that embraced Islam.
So they embraced Judaism.
Either they had to convert to Islam, either they had to convert to Christianity.
They said, okay, we convert to Judaism.
They converted.
They were not Jews.
And so, there is no Khazar DNA.
Right, right.
If we go and see though, In reality, Jacob Frank, where was he born?
He was born in Ukraine.
That doesn't surprise me at all.
So, I mean, and he bought 20,000 Jews converts to the Catholic as a payment almost.
So he could be himself nobilitated.
And so, you see, going back to We talk about the Erev Rab.
We talk about the establishment of, you know, we saw a Muslim leader, for example, like Saladin.
Saladin was considered a noble individual, but the Vatican wanted to kill him because he was expanding on Holy Land.
That they considered their own property, including Gaza, back in the days.
So what they did?
They did a deal with the Ashashins, who were this group of thugs from the Shia faith that came from the Cairo Lodge.
Hassan Isaba had been initiated there and then went all the way on top of a mountain to establish this fortress filled with assassins who became Seekers became basically paid assassins almost.
So the Templars wanted to kill somebody, but they couldn't do it.
You know, the Pope couldn't go around killing people with the nice Templars, becoming themselves assassins, killing people in ways that were not, let's say, because also we have to project ourselves back in those days.
When you were a knight, you had to follow certain rules of engagement.
You have to fight your enemy in front with the sword, the face, the horse, the ashashins.
They will dress up as a woman or come in the middle of the night like a ninja, slap your throat to poison you.
These things were not noble at all.
And so they were employed by the tempers to do the dirty work and go and kill Saladin or his representatives.
And they killed a lot of his representatives.
They never killed Saladin.
And Saladin arrived at that point very angry at the temples at two bases, one in Gaza and one where we have nowadays the temple mosque, where basically the second temple was destroyed.
by the Romans and then we had the establishment later on of whatever the Islamic people are claiming of Mohammed going up in the sky which was all very much a construct also very much led by geopolitical interests because Mohammed was already dead for a few years when they claimed It's still being fought over.
So it was a construct of geopolitics, that part of the book that was, let's say, almost added in commentary.
And in fact, the Koran includes this element which was probably inserted in a later time.
You were talking about five years after the Prophet Muhammad died, they arrived in Jerusalem, but he had died.
So you can't claim that suddenly Prophet Muhammad in sleep went and arrived in Jerusalem.
Where was he?
Sleeping from where?
From another dimension?
But they claimed that, and they claimed that, and that led to the building of what is now considered the second most holy site in Islam.
And it's also a very contentious site.
Okay?
So, when we see, for example, The way that Islam picked up on certain elements of the Jewish faith.
Solomon, for example, or even elements of the Christian faith.
But even elements of the Gnostics who claimed that Jesus somehow didn't go on the cross at the last minute.
He was transmigrated into somebody else because it was too holy to go on the cross.
That is an element that the Koran picks up from a Gnostic tradition.
In the end, the Templars had two bases.
One was there because they arrived in Jerusalem.
Where are we going to go?
In fact, they became known as the poor Knights of Christ of the Temple of Solomon because they established themselves on top of the Second Temple.
And then they had another castle, another base, which was in Gaza, which was the port.
Because, of course, from there, you go directly to Messina, Italy, and the rest of Europe.
And the pilgrims, you have to protect the people.
So when Saladin arrived to Gaza, and he arrived, who was living in Gaza?
back then.
Let's be very honest because this also has to be very And they all claim this is my land, this is my land.
Yeah.
Who was living in Gaza in those days before Saladin arrived?
Question mark.
No.
They were Christians and Jews.
They were Christians and Jews, right.
So they arrived there.
And then, you see, only a limited amount could go inside the castle of the temples.
The other ones got slaughtered by Saladin.
So, you know, karmically speaking, I know that this is something that a lot of people find very controversial.
And of course, it would be like, I mean, it's like searching for trouble to actually make a statement like this.
But guys, Gaza became later on also...
And when Sabbatai Zevi wasn't recognized as a Messiah by the rest of the Jewish world in Jerusalem, by the Council of Rabbis in Jerusalem, they went to Gaza.
So not only it was considered the place of importance back in the...
I mean, here we are talking about a place that has been inhabited since the 15th century BC.
Right.
You had the Philistines, which were these ancient people who live in the south coast of Canaan.
Yeah.
And that is one thing.
Then you had the connection with the ancient Egyptians.
Right.
because the ancient Egyptians made it part of a confederation of cities that they retained as cities of importance.
But guys, it doesn't...
Right.
Okay, so we have to be very honest about this.
Okay, it's their own land, but what kind of land is that?
It's not Islam.
Okay, then you have the Roman Empire, Where you had, of course, it was a poor town.
It flourished.
It became very, no?
Then, of course, it was conquered by first the Rashidun army, which was the Rashidun caliphate of the first four caliphs we talked after Muhammad.
Which we saw what happened with the Rashidun Caliph because after the 4th Caliph there was this clash and then it divided completely and then the Rashidun Caliph lasted only 4th Caliph because then it couldn't I mean it went forward but it wasn't anymore the destruction was mined at the basis by conflicts within the family of the Prophet himself.
The moment he dies, he says, okay, this guy is my successor.
But then this other guy wants to be my successor.
You know, these people, they are all very much into power more than religion.
Of course.
And then at that point, Gaza City was developed.
But by the time the crusaders arrived, Gaza was basically in ruins.
Right.
So they had to reconstruct it.
Why was it in ruins?
It was in ruins because you had various problems.
The locust swarms destroyed this.
I mean, people think the Locusts today, you know, they have this idea.
But guys...
Those were real.
That's one of the few things that were, you know, The thing is that in the moment of the Crusades, it became, let's say, a strategic place.
Because, of course, we're talking about a port.
We're talking about a port that is into the Mediterranean.
We're talking about a port which, you know, people, the so-called pilgrims pass through there to go into the Holy Land.
So it became a contentious place between the Muslims and the Templars.
So the nice Templars, I mean, a little...
known fact about Gaza is that it was a stronghold of the nice temper.
It's almost like they try to keep this matter not so...
Only for that reason, the karma that went on that place is probably the worst karma you can ever bring with those satanic rituals, because the Sabbatai is heavy.
With everything possible to violate all the rules of Judaism.
Yes.
Eating pork, orgies, magic.
I mean, the magic sex that we attribute to Alice and Crowley was first performed by people like Shabbatai Zevi.
Right.
Who married even a prostitute from Italy, from the Jewish community in Livorno, so he could then organize with her a number of orgies and so on.
Now, the city of Gaza is always been contentious.
Yes.
Now, the Crusaders, they took the city and it was important because it was very close to the Fatimid Empire, which was based in Egypt and which Cairo was the headquarters.
But like I explained, the Fatimid Empire was made by the Muslim Illuminati because the Fatimid Empire...
Already the name gives it Fatimid.
Fatima was the wife of Ali.
So they claim they were the sand because all these people then always claim their descent, Yeah, they love to do that.
No, especially in the Shia tradition, even more than the Sunni, because they claim to be descendants of Muhammad and his many wives, but especially in particular in the Shia tradition, it's Fatima, that main wife, because she was the wife of Ali, and Ali is the one that they recognize being...
equal to Mohammed for the Shia.
Okay, so there is this
So, the fact that it became a temporal stronghold should already make us understand the relevance, the importance.
Then, in the year 1153, I think, it fell to the crusaders completely.
The Templars played a major role also there, and they were kind of taking control.
But then, you see, all this Templar power was challenged by, of course, the expansion of the Sejuk Turks, which eventually...
Because Constantinople was, nowadays, we see it after, of course, it's almost been a thousand years we have this division between the Orthodox and the Catholics.
But at the time, this division wasn't in place.
It was simply the Byzantine Christian Church, part of Rome's legacy.
In the East, let's say.
Right.
And so I would say that that is the thing here, that a lot of people ignore the history.
In the year 1170, as I explain in my book here, Saladin, who unified them later.
I mean, Saladin was a guy who managed to crack the The Shia leadership of Egypt under the Fatimid.
And at that point, cracking that meant reducing their influence.
If today Shia represents a minority in Islam, it's because also of these battles, of these wars.
It's not because people prefer this faith and that faith because they love Ali more than Muhammad or Muhammad more than Ali.
It was because the guys who represented these faiths Kick more ass than the other one.
That's usually the case.
So that is basically the case.
So at that point, you know, when you have the nice tempers being so influential, the nice tempers then became so influential that became almost a threat that was perceived as a threat by some monarchs, and that's when eventually they got the call to kill them out.
And that left, though, a vacuum, a big vacuum in the Catholic Church.
That was filled only by the Jesuits once they were accepted in 1540, because they were no longer military religious orders of priests.
Yes, you had what we now, the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre, you had the knighthoods.
that survived like the theutonic knights that were very important during the crusades and they survived but they were not religious in a way that could they were always perceived as a threat because they were outwards they had too much of a military identity.
So when the Jesuits came around, they would still have, let's say, a almost military...
But they were not going around with swords or weapons or things.
They were going around like almost innocent priests that you could, that, oh, well, it's just a priest.
He's actually a teacher.
He's teaching us.
He's such a missionary.
He's such a good guy.
Deception came when the Jesuits embraced education as their Trojan horse to take over.
The world.
Literally.
And I'm not saying also only the Western world because the first missionaries were sent to China, India, Japan.
We are talking about South America.
We are talking about a world which is this world that still to this day has this Jesuit legacy.
Yeah.
Huge.
I mean, probably...
Leo, and I want to jump ahead to some of the more modern challenges that our society is facing.
You know, speaking of...
I mean, you know that I have written a trilogy based on Cyber Satan, which has been for the last few years, the way I have identified the rise of the AI.
And the fact that now they're starting to talk about rogue AI, the danger of the AI.
I've been saying that for years, and actually I've not been saying it.
I've been writing it on my books.
In fact, I have a trilogy, volume 6.66, volume 7, and volume 9. Now, these three books, which constitute the trilogy of Cyber Satan within my Confessions of an Illuminati, explain how...
which is becoming more obvious every day.
And when you have, for example, this so-called Big, beautiful bill.
I've stated before everybody else a week or so, as soon as I went through the whole thing, I noticed that there was this provision that made it possible to not monitor and control the development of AI for the next 10 years.
That is unacceptable because here we can't...
Because once the AI goes rogue, they're going to go after humankind.
They're going to use robotics to destroy humanity, control humanity.
In every way possible, diminishing its influence until they will be extinct.
So, yes, it's true that up until now, there has always been talk about technocracy as a limited group of people that can maybe control all this.
And that is what is simply happening here.
Right.
But at the same time, that limited group of people
And in my book, Volume 7, I also presented something that I developed in Volume 9, the fact that this is the product of reverse engineering.
This is a trap.
Because there will be more to it in a future book that I'm writing, which is not part of the Confessions.
Like I said, the Confessions ends with Volume 12. But there will be other books, and a specific book which is in the works now and will be probably ready by the end of this year or early next year.
I will reveal certain other elements about the fact that we are indeed in front of a development which we are viewing, of course, as simply a scientific development, and embracing the last stage of modernism.
But in reality, it has some...
In fact, in Volume 12 of my Confessions, I end up the last chapter talking about the interest the Vatican has had in this.
And, of course, it was confirmed even by the name of this Pope, who himself, the day after he was elected, when he talked with the Cardinals, he explained that this name was chosen because Pope Leo XIII was facing the Industrial Revolution, he instead is facing the Industrial Revolution.
When we see that Amazon is about to unleash on us an army of robots to deliver our packages, this is only the beginning and in 10 years from now there will be a minority of humans who will be considered let's say that will be considered Usable, you know.
Usable by the system, because then the system will be like saying, what are you offering to us?
Yeah.
What kind of parasite?
We can do anything you can do a lot more efficiently, you know.
What kind of parasite are you?
Are you going to still simply eat, drink, and go to the toilet?
We don't need that.
Right.
That is really something that...
That's why the conflict...
It's hiding instead the real problem here.
Why is Musk not talking about the AI element within the Big Beautiful Bill?
Not even a mention.
So that is the reason.
That is the reason here.
It's like big theater, big clash of titans.
Yeah.
There is something else that needs to be done here.
And we need to address that as soon as possible.
I agree.
I agree.
Do you think people like Bill Gates are conscious of the...
He's not a fool.
But he just bought, I think, I don't know, And, you know, like you've described it as part of the beast system.
Smart cities are everything smart.
Like I said, in my book is simply, smart is Satan.
It's like, you know, you have a smart home, it's a Satan home.
You have a smartphone, it's a Satan.
You have a smart car, it's a satan car, because all these things will be controlled by the AI and you will have no freedom once the AI decides.
On your whereabouts.
So today you can go here.
Today you can't go here.
But what do people like Gates, what do they imagine their children are going to be?
What kind of life are they going to have?
Can they just not think farther than the instructions they're given?
I mean, you have to understand that these people, of course, imagine themselves almost as a feudal elite of the future.
So they don't have a problem.
They are the ones who will be from their own you know they buy a lot of land like you said they have a lot of He always says shit like that.
Yes, stuff like that.
He's always giving all his money away and he's still always the top five richest person in the world.
I'm like, how does that work?
Well, in any case, in any case, in the end, the truth is that these families within, you know, they become part of the elite and that elite is probably already organizing itself for,
I mean, remember, the possibility That was announced by the Georgia Guidestones that were deliberately destroyed within the pandemic to not show too much to the rest of the world for the next few years.
There is no more, you know, Georgia Guidestones.
So there is no more evidence of what is their plan.
Because, yes, it's true that everybody in the conspiracy world has witnessed this and has gone and filmed them.
Now that they're not any longer in public sight, people tend to forget.
People have, you know, a very limited, you know, memory span.
And I think that the legacy of this Georgia Geison is in their 500 million concept.
The human race doesn't have to exceed a certain...
And that's what they want.
And of course, they have realized that with the pandemic, with the vaccines, with everything else.
You know, the world absolutely has a lot of darkness, but I want to remind everyone listening that darkness is not even possible without light.
And I want to end on a hopeful note with you, Leo, and for people who may have just listened to this and are feeling a little overwhelmed, maybe manipulated, or downtrodden in what is often perceived as a story.
Right.
Agreed.
So, first of all, understanding what are your priorities within your family unit and are you capable of going off the grid?
Are you capable of living in a certain way if there is the collapse of this civilization?
I mean, these are things that I have also addressed in Volume 7 and Volume 9 of my Confessions in particular.
The mentality of today is simply to, you know, as the system is moving forward and pushing us in more and more debt crisis, inflation and so on, is simply to go from one bill to the other.
And when you go from one bill to the other and you don't really reason about the future of mankind at that point or the future of your own family or the future of your own children, Right.
That's very sad.
So, you need to, first of all, make a priority to actually think out of the box and think out of the restrictions that seem to be pushed on you every day.
I know it's not easy.
I know it's absolutely not easy.
No, but it's a great point you make and people should start to consider and think about that because, you know, We don't know what's around the corner, but we do know that the more we can stick together and form communities and have the right priorities and be ready for the right things, the finer we're going to be if and when the shit hits the fan.
The actual concept of the 12 books of Illuminati Confessions is simply to put forward what generated all this from the very start.
It's an encyclopedia.
These mystery schools formed the nucleus of what we commonly refer to as the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the Rosicrucians, how they evolved, how some became perverted, other not.
Then we go into the most extraordinary moment, which is the moment which preceded the year 2020.
In fact, in Volume 2 I announced, it came out five years before the pandemic, but I announced what will happen.
What happened with the pandemic being locked up and all that.
So that was an anticipation.
You have the struggle of the various factions within this New World Order.
We go through Volume 3, in which I show how the Vatican operates with his knighthoods, the legacy of the Night Stampers, the espionage of the Jesuits, how the church was hijacked then you go even forward because then
And so Volume 4 shows how this reality that comes for the last 500 years from the times of John Dee till now developed and then you go into the decline of our society in Volume 5. But still teaching you step by step also the traditions.
In a way that is, you know, at times for some people, it can be confusing.
But then you have to understand that these books are books that are manuals, not only essays or biographies.
And then you go into Volume 6 and you go into the presentation of The Cyber City.
It came out in early 2019.
the one world religion which is coming together because ultimately yes it's true we will have cyber satan but we will also have a one world religion which will worship technology and cyber satan who will become you know the AI chatbot will become your priest that will convert you to the one world religion and then you go into the occult truths of the great reset volume 7 the way
And then, of course, Volume 8, which explains how this propaganda machine in the last 120 years has developed from Hollywood to the music business, from the cinema to everything in the entertainment, how this has been used.
To control mankind.
And then eventually in Volume 9 you are revealed further steps into acknowledging that actually these Illuminati existed much, you know, they existed of course, even they manifested as the Gnostics, for example, and that the Gnostics, they were never really...
They were simply using symbols of Christianity and Christianity to vehicle their own message.
And then you arrive, of course, to Islam, which is a very important part of the equation because it's important to understand for us here in the West this very big and important, massive religion, how it arrived to us and how it's also fractured
with many schools of thought that all though are controlled by the same people so and then of course we arrive to the mind control subject which is from Sun Tzu and Sun Tzu though as I explained in the art of war was translated by a Jesuit in 1772 the year before the Jesuits were officially suppressed by the Vatican and became a great tool in the hands of somebody called Napoleon then we have
Of course, the Jesuits, which eventually are the ones that are behind everything in the last 500 years and have managed to understand all the things that we have said in the first 11 books.
And at that point, they have made them their own.
And they have made them not only their own, but they have managed to establish here in America 40 educational institutions Are preparing the elite and people to embrace their ideas, which are the ideas that we are trying to fight, meaning transgenderism, meaning the immigration, open borders, so they can actually change the landscape.
Politically, but also religiously, because if you let in millions of Catholics, of course, this becomes a Catholic nation.
And those Catholics are very gullible because they come from countries like South or Central America, which have traditionally territories ruled by the Jesuits in a very fierce and very strong way, and not very democratic, to say the least.
That's safe to say.
So I think that this is today for your show we have really managed and I want to thank you because I've been able to explain the whole concept of my Confession of Illuminati series and also explain the importance of it because like I said from the very start the truth should set you free and these books will stay It has a
legacy.
Even after we are long departed from this earth, there will be probably people who, at that point, are a minority, maybe, in a civilization that has collapsed, but they are rebuilding the next stage of a civilization.
Exactly.
And this kind of information is going to be so important to them to build it the right way and not let what happened happen again.
Absolutely.
Leo, I want you to tell everyone, Leo has a YouTube channel.
He's got an awesome website.
He's always putting out videos, information, his books, as you just heard.
Incredible resources.
Very vetted, sourced, you know, it's just, they're not even theoretical, they're based on history, and that's what I love about Leo and his work.
Leo, I appreciate your time.
tell everyone where to find it.
Of course, you know, I mean, we could speculate and start talking about things that are matters of speculation.
And I love doing that in my private, you know, day to day, you know, with maybe colleagues or people.
But I mean, for me, my books need to be based on facts because otherwise the people who want to debunk them will have an easy, you know, they will say, you know, I mean, I have a great respect for people like David Icke.
by David Ecker with this whole reptilian theory thing.
I know, but the people who then go to the bank, the rest of it, they go after that.
So I didn't want to do that in my books.
No, I don't blame you.
Don't talk about theories.
It's not conspiracy theory, but it's conspiracy facts.
Yes, I agree.
So, Leo, tell everyone your website and your YouTube channel and where else they can follow you and find you.
Yes, you can find me, of course, at leozagami.com with all my latest articles, the links to my latest books.
Otherwise, you can go on Amazon, of course, Confessions of an Illuminati, but you have also other books that I have written, like Pope Francis, the last Pope, or Invisible Master.
I would suggest, though, to start, actually, from this book, rather than start from one, because, in a way...
But in a way, you can go down the ladder and have, through starting from this book, maybe a better understanding even.
Because otherwise, you might start from volume one and be a little bit confused by all these names.
Right.
You know, instead, let's start from the people who control everything and then It is a cave that we need to get the people to understand in order to come out of it.
I agree.
And that's why I do what I do, and I know that's why you do what you do.
And I appreciate your time, Leo, very much.
Thank you.
And for everyone listening, thank you for tuning in.
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Yeah, you can find me, of course, the Leo Zagami show is broadcast on YouTube, on Rumble, on X, on Band of Video, Beat Shooter.
I have survived the pandemic, which unfortunately censored and removed.
A lot of my YouTube channels, but I insisted in my presence and now, fortunately, in the Trump era, we have a lot less censorship and they have even given back a couple of channels.
But in any case, you can find us on the internet and what I do is also with a series which I have developed during the whole course of 2023, I did Exploring the Illuminati, 50 episodes, in which I really dwell deeply Nice.
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God bless you.
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