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May 15, 2025 - The Leo Zagami Show
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THE JESUIT WORLD ORDER AND THE POWER OF ANCIENT ROME
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Okay, welcome Leo Zagami to the Biodigital Convergence Transhumanist Report.
What an honor to have you on the show, man.
I've been following you on social media and wow, some of the things you've been discussing are really important for where the battle's going today.
And I really appreciate the work that you're doing in your battle against the dark forces that we're facing today.
So thank you for coming on to the show.
Really appreciate your time, man.
I know you're a really busy man, and I have utmost respect for the work you're doing, to say the least.
So again, welcome to the show.
Thank you for having me on, Tom.
Thank you for having me on.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, no, it's great, man.
Big fan.
Okay, so first order of business, I'm going to read the extended bio.
Really important here.
Leo Zagami, he's a journalist, a writer, and a Vaticanist.
Leon Zagami.
He's written 12...
You know, which I've started my journey with his work now, and I recommend everyone read his material.
But let's dive right into his biography here.
So he is a writer.
I want to correct you there, because it's actually more than 12 books.
12 Confessions of an Illuminati, plus Pope Francis the Last Pope, An Invisible Master, and some other books.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I stand corrected.
Oh, that's great.
The 12th installment, the Confessions of Unlimited, volume 12, is the last of this series.
Okay.
No, 100%.
Thank you for correcting me, man.
That's what I'm all about.
If I said something in error, I am more than happy to be corrected.
I wanted to make your audience acquainted with my work in a correct way.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
We need to understand that the work I'm doing here with the series has been very important.
It took many years.
And at the same time, of course, I did also Pope Francis the Last Pope, which was a bestseller, always on these kind of topics in relation to the Vatican and the Invisible Master instead, which is closer more to ufology and that kind of topic.
Yeah.
This is all relevant stuff, man.
Yeah, no, 100%.
No, thank you.
Okay, so let's get through your bio, and then we'll dive right in.
So basically, Leo Leon Zagami is a writer, researcher, and the son of Dr. Elio Zagami.
A well-known Jungian analyst, writer, and co-founder of GAPA, an independent group of analytical psychology of which he was president.
His grandfather, Senator Leopoldo Zagami, a Sicilian politician, was also a known historian and author who married into the aristocratic family of the Marquis de Gregorio.
Leo's mother, Jessica Leon Young, is a member of the family of the Queen Mother of England.
Her father, Henry Leon Young, was also a writer.
Felicity Mason, her mother, Leo's maternal grandmother, helped Leo develop his talents from a young age.
Felicity was a collaborator and friend of avant-garde eccentrics such as William Burroughs and Brian Gieson.
He was a Canadian, by the way.
That's interesting.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
She was also known under the pseudonym Anne Cumming that made her famous in the 80s as a controversial novelist after working for many years in the cinema business with prestigious figures such as Felony and Zeffirelli.
Zagami, who is known for a brilliant career as Leo Young in the media and music industry as a record producer.
He became quickly popular on the web in 2006 because of his direct involvement in the new world order and secret societies known to the majority of us as the Illuminati.
His blog rose quickly and gained attention from people such as David Icke for its accurate, fully documented groundbreaking inside information.
Between 2008 and 2013, Zagami published books in Europe and Japan based on a variety of subjects that ranged from the history of secret societies in the Vatican.
To geopolitical matters concerning the New World Order.
In 2013, he collaborated with well-known Italian journalists, Fabrizio Pinotti and Giacomo Gialazzi, in drafting a chapter for their Italian bestseller, Vaticano Massone, which was released in May 2013, dedicated to the secretive world of...
Vatican Freemasonry.
Zagami has collaborated with a series of articles and scoops for InfoWars and was the protagonist of a highly successful documentary made by Alex Jones in Rome called Demonic Possession of the Vatican Exposed.
Leo also was one to reveal to the world on InfoWars that gave Vatican drugs slash orgy in the summer of 2017, which forced mainstream media to later cover the story.
So, after publishing many books in Italy and Japan, with great success, he reached the English-speaking public, thanks to a book deal made with San Francisco CCC Publishing that made Leo's first translated works available in the English language.
So, Leo Zagami has written over a dozen books, including the bestseller, Pope Francis, the last Pope, released in the U.S. by CCC Publishing.
So, 2019, Leo moved to Palm Springs, California, with his wife, Christy, who runs the...
Cursem Perficio, publishing how to avoid political and religious persecution in Europe.
His latest book, Confessions of Illuminati, Volume 12, Volume 4, Volume 5, Volume 6.66, Volume 7, Volume 9, Volume 10, and Volume 10, were written in English language, not translated from Italian like previous books.
Okay, so that's a lengthy introduction, but I think it's very important.
To list off, so people get an idea, like, of the tremendous effort that you've put into this.
I mean, it's just, like, I'm amazed.
I'm amazed, too, that you've decided to, you know, help us, like, you know, people that are looking for truth, because the lack of education is just simply, in my view, profound.
But the information is there now, right?
If you're willing to look, like, that's the way I look at it for myself.
Like, if you're looking for truth and you're looking for knowledge, I mean, there's people like yourself and others, like, That are presenting the information.
It's just, you actually have to invest a little bit of intellectual effort and do some of the soul work, right?
So again, welcome to the show, Leo.
Do you have any words you want to say right off the bat?
Just jumping in here.
Well, I mean, regarding what you just said, I think people often, for laziness, just...
Tend to pick up maybe a page or two on the internet and think they know everything about a character, a book or a topic.
Instead, like you said, being clever enough to dedicate some time intellectually speaking.
Coming into a book and going deep into the analysis of it can really enrich you.
And that's why my books, as you know, I always provide a vast, very vast citation.
The rest that in a way help the reader going further into the study of the topic of the book in question.
And that is also something that I always have encouraged also when I was in Freemission in my lodges to not simply scratch the surface, but to go really deep into the analysis of certain subjects.
And so today, of course, like I said, As I said earlier, I just finished this confession series with a bestseller, which is a book dedicated to the history, secret societies, and the politics of this Jesuit New World Order and the Luciferian Court, which is, after many years, the completion of a series which started many, many years ago in Japan.
Then it was published in Italy, and then finally, like you said, it was published in America, and it was also published in other parts of the world, believe it or not, in Africa, Nigeria, in Bulgaria, in some very weird countries that seem to have interest on these kind of subjects.
Of course, the understanding of these confessions, it requires, like you said, time and an intellectual effort, but I can tell you that there will be plenty of gratification from it, and you can start from Volume 12 going back down, because...
Volume 12, it's a book in itself that can be read in itself without reading anything else, like some of the other books.
Of course, once you read all of them, you might be then more acquainted with the subject, and also you will be more able to understand them in their fullest.
Now the Jesuits was the last installment because they are the controllers of the controllers, the ones that control Freemasonry, the think tanks, the Illuminati, every secret society possible and imaginable.
The politician, the businessman.
And so this is really, for me, very gratifying to have a bestseller that came out in a very appropriate moment, which I completed just the day after the Pope died, Pope Francis.
And then, of course, I had envisioned already in this book, because it talks about the Jesuits having taken over the Catholic Church, and not only that, what kind of Pope he will have.
Next, which was fully confirmed by the election of the current Pope, Leo XIV.
In regards to other topics of importance, I would suggest also volume 10, which goes really deep into Islamic Freemasonry, the subject which is very rarely discussed.
I will also say that, of course, today everybody focuses on Israel, but very few people know the story of Israel and how the Sabbatean Frankists were behind the very foundations, taking over the Frankist movement, the rebel Zionists hijacking immediately Theodor Herzl, which died in a mysterious way because we never really knew how he entered some kind of...
Place, center for cues, he never came out of it.
Probably they never wanted him to come out of it.
So this book for me, Volume 10, has been very important.
And I must say, I've received great reviews even from Muslims.
If you go and check Sufis, which I criticized at some points, I was fairly critical in the book, but they have to admit that I was fairly on point with every...
When I analyze the subject and I criticize it.
Then, of course, I had volume 11, which also I brought out last year, which is about the past, present, and future mind control.
From Sun Tzu to MKU Ultra and beyond.
And when I say Sun Tzu, it's a subject which I touched also in Volume 12, because Sun Tzu is the author of The Art of War, which was first translated by a Jesuit, Father Amiot, in 1772.
It was published in Europe, just before the suppression of the Jesuits.
And that probably led Napoleon to have achieved so much military success.
However, this is a book also that explains the level of coercion No.
Yeah, no.
I mean, like, you talk about everything.
I mean, you've put, to me, like, okay, from, I've read through volume seven, I read through completely, and as you mentioned, the Sabatian Frankists, now that is something...
I've only heard you talk about from the people.
I mean, you know, I'm not sure if others are, but I mean, I thought that that was very...
Very, very few people tend to...
No, they don't even know about it.
Yeah, see, you've pointed that out, and I think that that's really because this...
This particular rabbi, correct me if I'm wrong, he saw himself as a Jewish messiah, I think, in the year, what is it?
I think it was 1,666, actually.
I'm not exactly sure about the date, but yeah.
In the 17th century, this rabbi ended up gathering a lot of relevance within the Jewish world, and over half of it.
The population in Europe believed he was the Messiah.
However, when pressed by the Ottoman Sultan, because he was born and raised in Turkey, he actually capitulated and converted publicly to Islam in 1666, which led Most of his followers to go elsewhere and go back to the real Jewish faith.
But at the same time, some of them instead resisted, became the Domé, the Crypto-Jews.
And then this heresy within the Jewish religion persisted.
And somebody a century later who claimed to be the reincarnation of Shabbat Izevi, who was Jacob Frank, then Born in Ukraine, brought a lot of attention on him and brought 20,000 converts to the Catholic faith, was nobilitated.
He was very much connected, as I explain in my books, as you know, to the secret societies of the time, certain rights of Freemasonry.
So there was definitely within all these mystery schools that then produced what we commonly refer to.
Two was the Illuminati, the touch, the infamous touch of this Shabbatai Zevi character, whose father was also working for the British.
And so, in a way, he was also doing the interests of what the British wanted to do by, in a way, forcing later on the Jewish people living in Europe through pogroms, through the Holocaust and everything else.
To go to present-day Israel.
And that was the beginning of a big mess, as you know.
Also, this was the beginning of a big problem also for those people within the Jewish faith, that in reality...
Didn't want to necessarily go back to a physical Israel.
And so it brought a lot of persecution, like we said, that they might never have received.
And still to this day, there is all this controversy.
We see what happens in colleges and universities with people pushing their anti-Semitic don'ts.
With the support, of course, of an educational system Like I explained in volume 12, this educational system is being always controlled by the Jesuit or the Society of Jesus, which It's an order, almost 500 years old,
born in 1540, formally accepted by the Pope, actually established in 1534 in France, in Montmartre, in Paris, and then an order that conquered the world and became the most influential military religious order, even if they don't like to be called military because they are not formally military like, for example, the Knights Templars.
Yeah.
But they are military in the way they operate, and they have a general on top that acts in a discipline.
Yeah, I mean, the battle first starts in the mind.
I always say that.
If you can win the mind, you've won the war.
Like, to me, because it's all...
Mind through education.
A certain mission was passed from the Jesuits when they got the Pope to accept their constitution, and that mission was the mission of education, which...
It brings us to the control of the narrative, in a way, which I think is very important.
So people today, of course, live through the narrative of the mainstream media, of what is sold to them.
And that's why my last book is on a subject which nobody touches the Jesuits.
In the last 40 years, like I explained, also in the back cover of the book, there has been basically almost no books written exposing the Jesuits, if not a handful of Malachi.
Martin, the Jesuits, himself a former Jesuit, and then you had Eric John Phelps, you had The Rulers of Evil by Susie.
That's it.
I mean, we're talking about really free books for a topic which should deserve tons of books, but like I explained, nobody in the academic world wants to go and ruin their reputation attacking an order that has so much influence in the academic world.
And so I wanted to touch, like I think it's right to also explain to your audience this subject in my latest book, after I also felt well acquainted with my writing, with my literary skills, with the way I will expose this perilous subject at times, because you are going against the people...
Of course, the scholars of the Church are the scientists of the Church.
I remember always in my chats with Jesuits and stuff, they always praised themselves as being the scientists of the Church.
And the fact that I had a direct experience being born Catholic, being born within a world which was privileged in nature, the aristocracy that maybe Americans don't know about, if not from maybe the fairy tales or the movies or the books, is a reality that still exists in Europe.
Of course, it's no longer the reality of hundreds of years ago.
Where, of course, during feudalism, there was absolute control, and you have to kiss my ring, and me, I will pass with the carriage.
It's no longer the case.
The actual reality of a privileged lot that still carries on with the Church, their whole mission, well, that is still in existence.
You see, the Jesuits persecuted only those aristocrats and royals who didn't bow down to their terms, but most of them did in the end.
In a way, we can say that maybe the most resistant ones We're the British royal family, the English monarchs that of course We're fought from the very beginning of the Counter-Reformation, because this was also a religious mission,
the Jesuits to prioritize the Pope, and when the Reformation came around, fighting the papacy with Martin Luther, Calvin, everything that was happening around Europe, and of course the royal family in England declaring itself head of a church, the Church of England.
That's not going to go around too well, yeah.
No, it didn't go around too well.
So we can say that when I say Luciferian court, I'm describing a subject that obviously people will find at times difficult to foresee.
Grasp, but I try to make it very understandable in my latest book, so don't be worried about that.
But in regards to, for example, I don't know if you have the possibility to go through my latest book or not because then, of course, I will maybe relate to this whole thing in a different way.
But if you had at least the opportunity to go through the index and through my short synthesis of it, I think you already got.
I see that you have a reaction.
I don't think you have probably read the whole thing yet.
Not yet, no.
It only came out very recently.
But what was your impression?
Well, I mean, okay, so, yeah, I've just started reading it, but when I actually look at some of the chapters, again, your emphasis, On the Jesuits, I think, is really, really important.
And the fact that you use the words, the Luciferian court, because I think that's exactly what this is all about.
Because to me, like, Satan is a temporary god of this world.
I mean, words are used as interplay.
Sometimes there's truth.
It depends to me what spirit of force is at work within the individual.
And I look at life as like the checkerboard, right?
I mean, the kings of the earth.
You know a little bit about all this stuff.
Actually, you know a lot about this stuff, you know.
I'll correct myself there.
But, yeah, so I've only actually read the first 10 pages, but just looking through some of the chapters here, exactly like how the Jesuits control the world today, but you use a very academic approach.
That's what I like about you, because, you know...
That's exactly the tools, because they love science, right?
There's nothing wrong with science.
The bank people over their simplicity or alleged ignorance.
So you need to actually, you know, when you're extending a challenge to a group of people who are obviously merged with intellectual capacity, because nobody...
Nobody can say that the Jesuits are unintelligent, so they're not well prepared.
I mean, they have universities like Georgetown, Fordham, they prepare the elite that runs this country.
I mean, you can't be an idiot to do that.
No, that's right.
My academic approach wants to be the approach that they themselves will find difficult to the bank.
And in fact, it's currently a bestseller with five stars.
It doesn't have anybody still saying, "Oh, Leo, you got wrong this or you got wrong that," because I went through a very thorough examination of all the subjects.
Now, you know, there has been a lot of...
Through the centuries before now, I told in the last 40 years, no books almost have been written on the subject.
But for example, if we go back 100 years, 150, 200 years, and even 300 or 400 years since the very inception, the very creation of this Jesuit order, there were a bunch of conspiracy theories and even books that were written.
Because at the time, It was like they were not controlling the whole narrative yet.
They had opposition, especially from Protestant countries.
And so publications will surface of people who didn't trust the Church, of course.
So the earliest known Jesuit conspiracy theory, believe it or not, comes from an Augustinian friar.
And now the current Pope is actually an Augustinian, but also Martin Luther.
It was an Augustinian.
So, this first Augustinian friar was George Brown, who publicly denounced Loyola's order only 11 years after his foundation in 1551, calling them worse than Jews.
So, already there, of course, we see that within the Catholic Church, it's always been an anti-Semitic element of soul, not because they blamed, of course, the conviction of Jesus on the Jews and the persecution of Jesus on the Jews.
But in reality, since the Jesuits have indeed been involved in conspiracy for real, not just as a hypothesis, they have been involved in wars, revolutions, massacres.
There is actually real stuff.
You don't need to go and speculate when you have the real thing.
So that's why the Jesuits, of course, have been accused of many things.
But at the moment, the Jesuits are directly involved, for example, in the Ukrainian-Russian conflict, which is also a religious conflict because it has to do with the Russian Orthodox Church and their control over what used to be the Orthodoxy in Ukraine,
while instead the Vatican has always tried to push their own form of Eastern Catholicism, similar to the Orthodoxy, but depending from Rome towards those populations.
Even the Jesuits have themselves, when they were suppressed, been...accepted by the emperors within certain territories, the emperors of Russia, and they had made a deal with the Orthodox.
It was paradoxical because at that point they were actually being kicked out of the Vatican and opportunistically they were preserved instead by the Orthodox Church, which is...
Probably if they knew what the Jesuits would have done in the centuries after, they would have never done that.
And in fact, when the Jesuits were reinstalled in the Vatican, immediately Russia prohibited the Jesuits in their territories.
So, the Jesuits are, in regards to even the Second World War, people don't know, but when Hitler troops were advancing, In World War II, credible sources show that they were present with the SS as Jesuit converters, you know, so they were working along the Nazis.
At the same time, though, like I explained in my book, they were working along the Freemasons to prepare a post-World War II after the Nazis might have been defeated.
So they were always present.
With their tentacles on both sides, you know.
Let's not forget the French Revolution, the spread of the cult, because it's a cult of the age of reason.
We can say that in the almost 500 years of existence of this order, we have also conspiracy theories that have been proven a little bit far-fetched regarding the Jesuits.
Maybe they have some points of contact.
I mean, they are blamed also for the killing of Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy.
There are theories worthy of the X-Files that involve them even with the crash.
I'm not saying that everything is, though, credible.
And that's why in my book, as you know, I base on facts rather than hypotheses, because if we wanted to be hypothetical, Well, you say anything.
It will probably contain stuff that in the end will bring the reader to have a fantastic rather than a realistic notion of this subject that I'm trying to bring forward.
No, I think your approach is good.
It's the right approach and the right tools to me, like the intellectual sword, if you will.
And it's well done.
I mean, that's what we need.
Like, we need that.
Like you said.
But also not hiding, like, you know, maybe even the good things that might have been done, but at the same time, underlining and outlining the presence of certain Jesuits by name, not just simply saying the Jesuit, but saying which Jesuits today, yesterday.
And in hundreds of years, I've done certain things.
Now, that is really something that came to me when, many years ago, at the beginning of 2014, I first had the idea of doing something on the Jesuits.
I explain in the book.
I simply found myself in front of the Jesuit headquarters, which is on the other side of the road from the headquarters of the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre.
Which at times can be a very respectable bunch.
It depends.
There is good ones and bad ones.
But overall, it's the oldest knighthood in the Vatican.
And so they have a restaurant, a bar there, which I often went to.
And I was coming out of it and I encountered this nun in front of the Jesuit headquarters.
I was handing out leaflets and stuff.
And she was basically...
Then I discovered the secretary of the Jesuit general, of the Black Pope, and then I was reached also in that occasion by a Dominican, a Dominican to which I promised when he said, Leo, if you ever write a book on the subject of the Jesuits, just make sure you write the truth.
So to my knowledge, what I have relayed here is the truth, and that's why I made such...
Fussing, getting really, nick-picking every single information and trying to double, triple, quadruple check every source to make sure that there is also difficulty in the part of the enemy, which is in this case the Jesuits, in saying, oh, Leo has made up certain stories.
Now, Leo is actually citing every single correct source, so you then are screwed because you have screwed yourself.
We aspire for the world by conspiring behind the scenes to take over this religion, the Catholic religion, and use it then as the base for the establishment of a one-world religion.
And like I explained in this book, it's something that wasn't born in a day, but in hundreds of years, a project which saw them with their missions all across the world picking up.
From one and the other culture, every single element of interest, from pagan cultures of all sorts, from South America to the extreme East, China, Tibet, India, wherever they went, they were capable of understanding the local religion.
And then at that point, Picking from that religion certain elements and mixing them with Catholicism which by its nature is universal in its approach.
So it's a form of Christianity which with all the variety of saints and all the variety of traditions tends to embrace previous pagan rituals.
Or traditions without then being noticed for that reason.
A lot of Protestants have always had a problem with that kind.
But they have to also understand that Christianity in itself was established in the Roman Empire in a place of...
There were pagan faiths of all kinds that eventually, because of the establishment of the Christian religion, had to be absorbed to make the religion of the empire the Christian religion.
They had to, of course, go and absorb the previous religions.
They couldn't just eliminate them.
And so they always had this persistent Pagan obsession, which the Jesuits have covered up, but it resurfaced from time to time, and at the beginning is from the very vision of 1522 of Montserrat, of the founder Ignacio Loyola, who was himself an alumbrado, an illuminati, with an understanding of Islamic mysticism, Gnosticism, of Kabbalah.
That then understood the Holy Mary as something deeper, as a concept, that is the concept of Isis, or the Mother Goddess, rather than simply a Christian concept.
So, Christianity in itself is...
Very rarely practiced in its purity.
And the Jesuits have definitely had no problem in imposing their very ambiguous and syncretist way of doing things.
Now, the Jesuits were like, from the very beginning, when they started this order, they enticed promising young men To enter it, a lot of them from the elite.
They knew, of course, that their mission focus on education made it easier to recruit people from the elite.
Remember that for hundreds of years, culture was almost an exclusivity of the church, especially in countries where the church almost ruled, but in any case, they were in charge of the education.
Most people Peasants didn't have this education, didn't have the possibility of learning to write or to read.
And so they encouraged the promising young men from the elite to enter the order, to give them their estates, of course, which was also important for their mission.
They will somehow also try to always convince rich widows.
Because rich widows will give them, of course, estate, money, you know, and they were often dissuaded from remarrying because, you know, they said, oh, you know, leave us, you know, after we will make sure that you have your way to heaven.
Or even the promise of making certain...
People who had great riches, saints in the future, or at least beati, which is the first level before sainthood.
So, I mean, imagine that.
But this is not something that is no longer practice.
I myself have a direct experience.
Once I was in a dinner with people from the Vatican intelligence, members of the Opus Dei, Jesuits and stuff, where they were opening, talking about, you know, We can make your aunt a saint now that she has left us.
If you give us your palace, this and that, we will make sure that she has a way.
And I was shocked to see the insidious and criminal element of offering something like that, which is, of course, An act of simony, an act of selling, in some ways, selling out the religion.
So, I mean, people don't know.
I mean, simony is a form of sins that refers to the act of buying or selling spiritual gift offices or sacraments within the church.
Now, imagine that is something that, you know...
Very few people know it's still going on to this day, unfortunately.
But not only the Catholic Church.
And to be honest, at the fall of the Soviet Union, when the Orthodox Church established in Russia, I remember I was there.
I worked in Russia many years, on and off.
And I went, I visited Russia a total of probably 20 times, worked for the Ministry of Culture.
And from the middle of the 90s, so I saw the reawakening of the Orthodox Church and the line of sinners, mafiosi, crooks that just paid their way into the Church.
They gave, literally throwing money into the Church, knowing that of course they have committed terrible acts.
And so they wanted to buy that, and that is an act of simony.
So it's a grave sin, it's forbidden, but unfortunately it goes on in the world.
It's not a novelty.
In any case, the way the Jesuits worked out and established their order And this elevation to sanctify maybe people, recently deceased individuals, that they received a donation of a certain estate, a large sum of money, an inheritance.
It's a reality.
And when the criticism on the Jesuits started, already at the time of...
The fifth Superior General of the Society of Jesus, Claudio Acquaviva, who died in 1615.
So we're talking about the very early stages of the Order, who was founded in 1540.
He was born in 1543, so three years after the foundation, after the acceptance by the Vatican.
Already back then, we started to see the appearance of conspiracy theories against the Jesuits, which had a fundamental reality.
And one of the first books that appeared on the subject, which I of course mention in my book, is Monita Segreta by a Polish former Jesuit expelled for disciplinary issues in 1613.
And Monitor Sigureta already is kind of exposing in a controversial way what the Jesuits are doing.
Then there was another work that followed called Monarchia Solisorum and that was highly critical of the Jesuit order and it was ascribed to a guy called Melchior Ikhofer but in reality It seems like the author was a Jesuit, Italian Jesuit, Giulio Clemente Scotti, born in Piacenza, Italy, who, because of his privileged position, was never exposed.
Because if at the time you were living in a Catholic country and you were exposed to the Jesuits, of course you were liable and you would probably be murdered or arrested and sentenced by the Inquisition.
He had taken over also the inquisitions from the Dominicans, and that was an extreme power.
We know that Melchior Hecofer was involved, for example, in the trial of Galileo Galilei, the famous trial based about the flat earth or not the flat earth.
I mean, the Jesuits were also keeping the narrative of the church in certain topics.
And of course, they were almost pioneers in astronomy since the very foundation.
They were obsessed with astronomy and mathematics.
So they saw the astronomy as something that could lead them also to exchange knowledge with other cultures, like China, for example, which they did.
But the actual...
The actual trial of Galileo Galilei, I mean, if we think about it, I mean, we are talking about a narrative, now that today, you know, all these conspiracy theories, the flat earthers, oh no, the world is not, it's flat.
You are in line with the Jesuits in the Vatican 500 years ago, maybe, you know, or 400 years at least ago, maybe you will have received an award for your efforts to maintain this narrative.
But nowadays, you have completely failed.
So we know that the way the Jesuits work is like they tried to, after they failed with Galileo Galilei, and they understood, of course, that they made a brutta figura, as we would say in Italian, a bad image could be portrayed out of the fact that they didn't, you know, scientifically, they had got things wrong.
And from that moment onwards, they wanted to always be at the tip of the spear of the scientific research.
They no longer wanted to be the ones that, you know, were only portraying the Catholic beliefs at all costs.
And that led them to actually become very much the scientists of the Church, you know, putting science in front of religion at times, even.
So they had also that kind of element.
The Jesuits are to this day involved in politics.
The Democratic Party here in America is, we can say, almost like a political branch of it.
There are countries that are completely brainwashed by the Jesuits or their think tanks, like the one you reside in.
I mean, this, yeah, like, you know, it's very sad what's happened here, to be honest.
I mean, especially after what the Catholic Church did in Canada, and we know that, I mean, what they did was monstrous, incredible crime and pain that was brought into the indigenous populations of Canada and stuff.
I think that, I mean...
I mean, the fact that they simply get away with a sorry from a pope or something, I mean, it's not enough, I think, you know?
Yeah.
Canada has become something that I don't even, even in my lifetime, it's changed so much.
Especially under Trudeau's leadership.
I mean, he made that announcement about 10 years ago, how there's no mainstream, no core identity, and he called it the first post-national state.
And I'll remember those words for the rest of my life, because that is exactly the mentality, like you mentioned, about kind of like a world-one religion, a one-world government.
These things are coming, right?
And once in a while, you hear leaders speak of them.
Think about it, no?
I mean, when you're talking about Trudeau, no?
The father attended a Jesuit French language, a prestigious secondary school known for educating the elite in the Francophone families in Quebec.
You're talking about a family that has a history of being what I define as Fifth-class Jesuit agents.
And what are the fifth-class Jesuit agents?
They are basically those people who might have gone to Jesuit colleges, universities, high schools, but also elementary, all the educational system of the Jesuits in a way.
It's built to create what we call in Latin a formamentis.
And that formamentis implies that once you are in those, and I myself studied with the Jesuits, so I know what I'm talking about as I explained in the latest book.
Once you are in that kind of educational system and you're studying with them, most of the time you end up working with them or becoming.
One of them.
And if you don't become necessarily a priest and don't engage in going into seminary or become a coadjutor with the Jesuits, which is also a way of becoming a Jesuit without becoming a priest, you can still become a fifth-class agent, which means that even if you are not a Catholic, you can still serve the Jesuit order directly and the Jesuit general, like Nancy Pelosi or many other politicians.
Just to give you an example, they serve directly the Jesuit.
I mean, Nancy Pelosi has never taken any formal vows, but she is then paid back with the power that is given to people like her.
There is a Machiavellian nature of the Jesuits.
Which I explain in my book.
That will never change.
And there is this Machiavellian nature.
It's the one that probably has fueled most than anything else the conspiracy theories around the Jesuits.
And like I said, not all of them are true, but the ones that are true are enough to make us understand that they control the whole Western world.
Not only the Western world, unfortunately.
It's not just because of their missionary nature.
Because of the fact they have been able to establish themselves in several continents, they have been able to really bring back to Rome that power that was lost at the fall of the Roman Empire.
So yes, they represent almost a covert mission of what Rome is.
So Rome is no longer the caput mundi of the Roman Empire, but is at the same time The Caput Mundi of a covert empire made of secret societies, think tanks, educational establishments, and so on.
So when, for example, Rabbi Marvin Altemann, which the late Rabbi Marvin Altemann talked about the true hundreds of Hitler.
And he made a statement that was very strong because he said that there was basically Hitler in his earlier years had been approached by a pagan Buddhist elite.
who may have had also Sufi link, and this is typical of the Illuminati of the time, especially in Austria, theosophists, people like the founders of the OTO or the Novo Ordo Templi, they were emerged in a series of things that tended to mix things.
In fact, he actually, like I explained in Volume 7, which you have read, there is a whole chapter now where I explain how the Swastika was inspired by the Theosophical Society.
by Franz Hartmann in particular and so Iter then found himself raised also politically by the help of the two legation shafts of Rudolf von Sembottendorf.
But the true hundreds of Hitler for Antelman were the Jesuits, because apparently this elite, pagan Buddhist elite, was linked with the Jesuits who profiteered also from the slave trade,
which has been popularized in historically web-documented fiction work like Shogun, and according to both personal and Many were given to Hitler by this specific group.
This is what, of course, a rabbi like Antelman said.
But having also a number of historians and people giving their own explanation over the Jesuit hostility towards Jews and Judaism, even throughout World War II, which saw the terrible Holocaust, Why is that?
We find that initially, actually, the very secretary of Ignacio Loyola was a Jew.
Many of the founding fathers, if you want to call them with this term, which is not appropriate, but for the Jesuit order, not the 1776, let's not mix things up.
But let's say the people who established this company of Jesus, the Society of Jesus, many of them were Jews.
Then what happened were conversos.
Some of them, they can be called conversos.
Some of them might, other people will call them, I don't know, Maranos or whatever.
But in particular, probably they call them conversos.
Because what happened is that in the Iberic Peninsula, there was a force by the Catholic Church to convert, even forcefully, Jews, Muslims.
Eradicate in any way the Muslim presence that was left in the Iberic Peninsula, the Moorish presence.
And then, of course, cleaning it up.
And that's where the infamous Spanish Inquisition came into.
And in fact, the Jesuits initially, when Ignazio Lio himself started his whole mission, he was arrested by the Inquisition because he was himself suspected of being involved with these alumbrados who tended to mix all this Secret knowledge from all the various religions and cultures that were present in Spain.
Spain had become a filter for that secret knowledge that will then come back into Europe through the Renaissance and the whole of the Hermetica and the whole of alchemy.
It comes through the translation of Arab texts, texts from the Middle East.
And then, of course, even in the Rosicruci manifestos, we have a mention through Christian Rosencruz and his allegorical, legendary journey that goes back from Spain and then back into...
So it's almost like in that allegory, they are describing how knowledge is...
Going through, you know, passing through different cultures and then re-emerging.
But the Book of M. I think of the Book of M. It was mentioned, right?
I'm sure you know.
I mean, that's...
A mysterious book for sure, right?
I mean, I don't know.
Yeah, no, carry on.
Carry on.
I don't want to interrupt.
As we don't have much time, I can just say that there is definitely people who have criticized the Jesuits and people who have held them in high esteem.
Now, John Adams.
John Adams was the second president of the United States of America.
So he seems to be an appropriate figure to cite at the moment.
And he said, my history of the Jesuits It's not eloquently written, but it's supported, he said, by unquestionable authorities.
And it's very particular, and he defined it as very horrible in nature.
So he said that when the Jesuits were restored, because there was a moment they were suppressed even by the Vatican in 1773, and then they were restored in 1814, He saw it as a step towards darkness, cruelty, despotism.
And this was the second president of the United States who was actually saying this, so it's quite incredible.
He went as far as saying, I do not like the appearance of the Jesuits.
This body of man deserves eternal damnation on earth and in hell.
I mean, it was pretty heavy what he was saying.
People like John Adams reflect the people who saw the danger, who were clever enough to question what was happening and warn their peers that something dangerous could happen now they were established.
Then you have people like Marquis Lafayette, who was also general of the American Continental Army under Washington during the American Revolution.
said that the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests were Dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty.
He described them like that.
Even if, as you know, when you're going to read this book, you're going to see a family like the Carols had a lot to do with the very establishment of the United States of America and even the Capitol Hill here in Washington DC was donated by a family that was...
emerged in Jesuitry and had the first bishop here in America from their family, and then two founding fathers from the Carroll family.
We have people who saw the dangers, others who of course stayed silent.
Then we have one Pope, who was Pope Clement XIV, who Basically, in 1774, the year after the Jesuits had been kicked out of the Vatican, he said, I know that my life is in danger and that basically they will poison me.
And he was the one who had abolished the Jesuit order, so imagine what kind of danger he was facing from these people.
So, within the world of secret societies, of course, a lot is said about Freemasonry.
But in my book, I explain how Freemasonry is practically controlled at certain levels by the Jesuits, and they have been for a long time, as well as other secret societies of the Illuminati milie.
The very nature of the Order of the Illuminati of Vinal and Vesha, and it's not the only Illuminati order, because if you studied my confessions, you know that I described as Illuminati a number of secret societies and of mysteries.
It's based on the constitution of the Jesuits, and so he himself envisioned himself like a general of the Jesuits, Adam Bishop, which is very important, I think.
They are a military organization, Napoleon Bonaparte himself said that, because Jesuitism, he said Napoleon was the most absolute of despotism.
And just to conclude here on some citation of importance, Abraham Lincoln, of course, was killed.
Some people think that their hand, the hand of the Jesuits, was present in that.
Now, we don't want to speculate.
Like I said, I try to base my work...
I got that.
But he himself actually denounced the Jesuits, saying there was a sinister influence in the American Civil War of the Jesuits.
So imagine what could have happened after Lincoln, after the Civil War, what kind of hate the Jesuits might have and what interest.
And so, yes, maybe formally there is another hand that executes the murder, and we will never know the truth.
Just as many other conspiracy theories that are not completely unproven, because the nature of the Jesuits is very covert, very sinister.
But at the same time, like I said, I didn't want to make this book this big.
I wanted to make it this big, and I wanted to bring you this.
I get you.
That's why I really respect what you do.
I want to thank you very much for having me on today.
And of course, if you want to give me a last question, because of course I took a bit of time by answering.
I mean, no, that was really good.
I wanted it to be a flow of information coming from your heart, what you felt you needed to say during our time together.
So, you know, I appreciate that.
And I just want to highlight, you know, where people can find you.
Of course, you know, leozagami.com.
You're on X. You're on YouTube.
You're on Facebook.
I mean, so you're basically everywhere, right?
And I do, I would recommend, highly recommend everyone...
I try to maintain my presence.
I must say that it's not always been simple.
The censorship when you touch arguments like the Jesuits from the very beginning of my work on the internet has always been present.
I understood actually that writing books was probably easier than relay information on the internet after my first three years of activity exposing the Jesuit-led New World Order, led to persecution, accusation of espionage, all kinds of things.
It's not like...
Some people say if Leo Zagami was stating the truth, he would be already dead.
But, you know, they took my only son.
They locked me up at one point in an island and dragged me up in front of the Vatican.
Another time they locked me up for espionage.
Another time it was at Tavistock Institute that tried to ruin my life on behalf of the Vatican.
I mean, this is all, of course, Verified with the credible testimony.
I just don't open my mouth if I don't have the evidence to prove what I'm saying.
That's how it should be, man.
That's how it should be, yeah.
And so, like I stated many times, there's no need for me to speculate or fantasize.
The reality is better than the fiction.
Okay.
Well, thanks very much.
This is Leon Zagami.
Yeah, thanks for your time.
Hopefully we can do this again and I'll have a little bit more reading done so that I can engage.
I would like you to, as I know, you are a very attentive and a very critical thinker.
I think that you should go through the whole book, Volume 12, and then come back to me, and then maybe you can ask me specific questions.
Sure.
Yeah, that's challenge accepted.
Yeah, and then we can go live, too.
I'll figure out my technical difficulties here.
No worries, Tom.
Good job.
I wish you all the best for the rest of the day and, of course, enjoy the reading.
Of course, yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah, I appreciate your work, man.
Yeah, so Leo, Leon Zagami, thank you very much for your time.
Take care, Tom.
All the best.
God bless you.
You too.
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