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April 7, 2025 - The Leo Zagami Show
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THE SHOCKING TRUTH ABOUT THE JFK FILES / UNDERGROUND BASES/HYBRIDS AND UFOS "THIS IS A SECRET ONLY FEW KNOW"
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And hello and good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
Another Leo Zagami show, Colin Rivers show, whatever, will be on the Alex Jones platform too.
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We'll have Leo Zagami, great, and Rafa Pal, Rafa Palacios, live from Spain, too.
We're going to discuss several issues, tariffs by Donald Trump, how we proceed from Europe.
We're going to talk about probably the JFK files, and even if we have some time, we'll talk about the secrets, the secrets of Donald Trump.
We'll talk about the releasing, the publishing of other files, underground bases.
UFOs, we love these issues.
Here, all that is conspiracy.
Well, in real truth, you know, everything is a conspiracy.
I mean, we run out of conspiracies.
You know, in the year 2025, 2026, all the conspiracies already are out there, yeah?
So, let's just say hi to our great friends.
And we have Leo.
Zagami from California Palm Springs, California.
Hello Leo Your microphone Yes, the microphone.
Welcome to this great show with Colin and Rafa Palla.
We're going to be chatting on some interesting JFK files and more.
When it comes down to the underground ancient bases, I am pretty critic.
I want everybody to know because in Volume 1 of my confessions, I exposed Corrado Malanga for what he really is.
Corrado Malanga, he's talking about the underground bases, right?
Underneath the pyramids were the giant UFOs and the Anunnaki that measure up to 25 meters.
Let me introduce you the character.
Because here is a professor of chemistry who used to be at the University of Pisa, who suddenly went into ufology with the KUN, which is an organization that was...
Co-founded by a friend of mine called Roberto Pinotti.
Then later they broke up.
He went into a project, a Stargate project.
That was the name, I think.
Already the name is a little bit sinister because it brings us also to projects made up by the military intelligence here in America.
But in any case, this project was based on hypnosis, regressive hypnosis.
What happened is that it constituted what came...into fruition as a cult.
And at one point he distanced himself, but those people who he teach hypnosis and his regressive hypnosis techniques ended up raping some women, ended up doing really terrible things.
I personally warn people about Corrado Molanga because I was actually involved with Baro Venturi who did a movie about Corrado Molanga, Six Days on Earth, that you can find on the internet.
And I actually participated to the DVD.
There is like a special edition with additional interviews.
This movie is based on his work.
Now, during...
This whole thing which brought me very close to Corrado Malanga, which is somebody who is very known in Italy for his externations, who don't have, though, a scientific basis.
They're always in the realm of pseudoscience.
He invented a system which I talked about in one of my confessions.
...of regressive hypnosis.
And this system of regressive hypnosis, he claimed, was based on the fact that traditional exorcism was not so advanced for this kind of demons that come from an extra-dimensional perspective.
And he was instead managing to exorcise them.
So that is basically...
Something that I relate to directly, because like I said, I also wrote about it very clearly in Volume 1 of my Confessions, and I explained why I think that Corrado Malanga is very much connected with pseudoscience.
However, I always said also in Visible Masters that the pyramids are something truly incredible, and they act as portals.
But in regards to these claims, I would like to have some more confirmations before, you know, I think that this kind of thing, I saw the conference that they made in Italy, and then also, by the way, together with Malanga, there's another guy called May, who is a Freemason, openly.
And the crazy thing is that Corrado Malanga always criticizes Freemasons, and then he puts together this project with a Freemason, so I mean...
I have some difficulty in understanding where he wants to go here.
And also another thing which was communicated to me directly from Varo Venturi, who did the movie on him.
I repeat, Six Days on Earth, you can find it on the internet.
He told me that at one point during the filming of the movie, when the Vatican heard about, because there was even a character played by the same Varo Venturi, the actual film director, who was a Jesuit, the Vatican...
He guested Corrado Malanga for three days within the Vatican walls and he never said even to Baro Venturi what happened when he was brought in for three days in the Vatican.
So I just wanted to explain you from a critical perspective this discovery.
I'm not saying that it's fraudulent.
That's great.
That's awesome.
I think that because I heard a lot about it in the last few weeks.
Just getting to the point here.
But is it real?
There is some underground big columns or pillars or something?
Or is it just the underground things that we're seeing there in which they perform some rituals, like you're saying, to invoke demons and stuff like that?
Like, for example, Alistair Crowley.
Okay, we always, when you are initiated in the Egyptian rites, I was initiated in Memphis and Miserim, I remember when I was initiated in the 1995, they gave me the image of the Z, the Zed.
I don't know if you ever saw the Zed, you can find it on the internet, you just put DJ Zed, and it's the Zed, or Zed.
Like the Zed pillar, the Zed pillar is the Zed, yeah?
It's supposed to be...
Bringer of stability because it's supposed to be the back of Osiris.
So what they claim they have found under there is these giant Zeds that are under the pyramid and that have the same shape as...
You know, Zed is something that...
Often we use also amulets for protection, stability and that.
But in this case they will have also had, at least from what they claim, a stability connected to the actual pyramid.
I repeat, the problem here is that until we have further confirmation from other sources, I will be a little refrained from all this enthusiasm.
I don't know.
Of course you can have a different point of view.
There is those three pillars underneath.
Let's move on to Rafa Pal, because Rafa Pal must be shocked by now.
We were going to talk about tariffs and we started talking about demonic stuff, the pyramids, masonry, Freemasons and stuff.
Rafa, this news got in here last week.
What do you think about these underground facilities?
Do they have some animals also or something?
Some UFO connected to?
What do you think?
Because Leo is giving a very...
Actually, there are so many mysteries that are arising in those times that, you know, we will have to be talking for hours, dealing with all the topics that are on these social media.
And some of them, we were digging into these mysteries.
What I love more about what is You know...
because the moment in which we talk about about subterranean bases and what is underneath the Antarctica that is a lot there are a lot of topics that are you know where
The people like us that we are researching for more than 20 years and we have to be focused on in those five latest years in the COVID and the pandemics and we were focused on those topics and those were the times in which the flat earthers take advantage of for pushing their agenda.
And here in Spain we have a real problem with them.
I assume that in the USA is the same.
The other day I read Alex Jones, you know, sending a message to the flat earthers with a video published by Elon Musk about, you know, what they were seeing from this spacecraft of SpaceX.
So I think.
The ones or the people who have sent it, who have published this research, Italian research in Egypt, I think that they have chosen the right moment to do it.
And I think that all this, even the tariff things, it's, you know, part of an agenda, part of an agenda of destroying the, you know, the mass media.
official truth from every point of view.
You know, we have the history, we have the economy, we have the medicine, we have vaccines, wars and you know.
Yes, but Rafaela, sorry.
The time we are spending now, we are going to touch only a part of it because there are so many topics that we cannot cover all of them.
Okay, but what do you think of the fact that Corrado Malanga is doing this together with somebody who is openly a Freemason, Armando May, and it's a little bit suspicious of I have to answer you, Leo.
I'm not very worried about this.
I think we have a lot of topics that are more important.
Maybe it's an agenda, but you know, Whatever they expose about what is underneath and what is censored, I think it's good.
You know, the conversation about the official science or the official academies they are not covering, it's good.
It's good for me.
I understand what you're saying, but I saw the conferences in Italian because yet there has to be provided a conference by Malang and the others in English.
I saw that.
And at one point, towards three quarters of the first conference he did to announce this discovery, he himself said, I don't want to say more until we have certainty.
So I think that the newspapers...
Instead, went on their own tangent about this whole thing.
Because he specifically, and I'm saying that Corrado Malanga is already a guy who plays with pseudoscience.
But if he actually himself says, you know, we have to be careful.
I don't want to tell more about what is actually under Denti.
We have further confirmations.
I mean, the guy said it.
So, he's an academic.
He knows very well what science is and that things have to be proven.
Before you can announce them to the whole world.
And so I'm a little bit skeptical there that no one has, let's say, said something about the fact that Malanga is a pseudo-scientist, not regarded...
I mean, of course, he has a past as a professor, and for that reason I respect him very much as a chemistry professor.
But what's to do with chemistry is not mapping the Earth underneath the pyramid thanks to a satellite.
So, I will refrain.
There's been like a raider, like an underground raider that actually discovered something.
So, besides Corrado Malanga, right?
Besides the point that he said or mentioned some scientific...
This is not new technology at all.
I have seen a lot of videos in Discovery Max doing the same thing in Mexico and Guatemala, searching new pyramids there.
So I think that they have used the same technology and they have applied this in Egypt.
I think that the most important thing is the technology in itself because we, I think the three of us,...believe that there is something underneath, another reality, an important reality from a political perspective, meaning that there are other entities that are influencing our government, and this is the real thing here.
I'm going to discuss with Corrado Malanga, I know he has a lot of followers here in Spain, but, you know...
Yeah, actually, I remember that he published a book in Spain, so he must have a lot of followers.
Back in the days, he published a book on the apparitions of Fatima, which he accused of being fraudulent and connected to alien apparitions.
So, I know that he has a lot of followers there.
But, listen, on my Italian show, I said to everybody, I hope it's true, because if it's not true, It becomes like the nothing burger that then degenerates more and more into something that then is like, okay, yeah, they said it some years ago under the pyramid, there was this and that, but it's not anything.
That's why I hope that some concrete actions are done by the antiquities ministries, though the problem is that he doesn't get along with Zai Havas, however he pronounces it.
He doesn't get along with him.
Absolutely. They are completely on different sides.
They argued more and more over a number of years.
And I know that because I have common friends.
And I've been in Egypt there.
And I was told when I went there to visit in the middle of the night these pyramids, that of course there is"Genies" they call them, because of course they are Muslims, the people who patrol the area are actually all Sufis who are also in the Egyptian intelligence, and they actually welcomed me.
I arrived there with the adopted son of Boutros Boutros Ghali, who was the former Secretary General of the United Nations.
And we went there in the middle of the night and they strongly advised me to not touch anything because these entities will jump inside me.
So, this is a reality.
It's not a joke.
And that's what really bothers me of what Malang is doing.
Instead of perceiving the extra-dimensional use that might have been done there, he focuses on this matter.
But, like I said, let's see if we can bring further evidence.
Well, you know that this Pope is almost dead, if it's not already.
A lot of people are guessing which will be the replacement for Pope Francis.
And you know that there is a gossip, there is a rumor in this social media, meaning that there are a lot of secrets in the Vatican that...
I know you know.
This connection through the obelisks from Rome, from the Vatican and Egypt are one of the secrets that people are expected to be in the open.
Colin told me when he asked me for this show a couple of days ago, Colin told me that he wanted to talk about these secret experiments that are arising.
From a channel that I am following in Twitter, Ariel.
And this is connected in a way with the Egyptian scene, you know?
Meaning that we know that all these monuments, this mix, these chimeras, that supposedly the people who believe in ancient Atlantis were part of this Egyptian, you know?
...older culture and the relationship between these elites and the ones we are suffering and the possibility that in this subterranean basis they are doing quite the same thing meaning mixes of the human race and some animals I think is the point in which they want the people to to focus and this is the real reason they are you know Rafa
Pai is saying that sadly they're pushing this kind of news from the Trump team to unravel all these Well, they're preparing the road, So they're preparing the path in order to expose it.
Well, I have a little bit of doubts.
Leo, what do you think about this?
This news was first reported in America by Greg Ries, who is a former Infowars journalist who I know very well.
I spoke with him on the phone.
Eh? Former.
He's no longer working.
Was he?
He is a former.
He doesn't work.
No, he's officially left because he was part of the crew.
So he's a former Infowars journalist.
And what happened was that he brought this news before anybody else.
Parallel to when Corrado Malanga and May and the others brought it out in Italy and I told them from the very start to be very careful because of what I told you at the beginning of the show.
However, then there were other people who picked up this news who are the usual enthusiasts who without any...
any confirmation that is actually factual have started to spread this news through the various tabloids like the daily mail the sun and whatnot and then of course it spreads more and more until it becomes almost certainty and This is really the situation.
I don't think Trump needs this kind of thing.
There is, of course, a lot of interest in the UFO phenomenon.
There are people within the Republican Party who have interest both in the JFK files as well as in the UFO phenomenon.
In fact, we can see the parallels.
Like Republican Luna, for example, from Florida, she is very much an enthusiast.
In fact, she has been really following this whole release of JFK files, which, by the way, at the moment is a nothing burger because the key files have not yet been released.
Is this true, Rafa Pal?
I mean, you can confirm it.
I don't need to talk more.
3,500 files missing.
The real news, new news, were that Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby met a of weeks before the thing.
And the relationship between James Angleton, that he was the chief of the contraintelligence sector of the CIA, with Israel.
Those were, to me, the most important new things that came...
They were good for something else, though.
They were so...
Don't say Israel.
Israel, Israel, Israel.
On the intro it says three times, but don't say Israel.
Because Israel now is our ally.
So, I mean, Israel...
No, but it's not a question.
I think that when it comes down to the early 60s, it was about anti-communism.
it was about anti-communism it was about staying in two blocks and when kennedy started to see it in a different way he immediately argued with the dudes the head of the ca and this argue might have led almost certainly to his death that is what a lot of people don't say because There was actually an order on the table for Alan Dewes,
who is the first civilian director of the CIA, to leave the CIA.
But then he stayed for a number of years after.
So I have detailed in my book all this, and I also detailed the role of this other figure, which is also left out of the files, which is one of the most important figures.
This guy here, which is...
He's bringing his testimony also during the scandal, of course, that involved Nixon.
This guy here, this American intelligence officer called Howard Hunt, is basically the guy who was in charge, apparently, of the whole operation in Dallas.
But, strangely, there is nothing really on him.
And this guy, like I explain in my book, is also the author.
Under, of course, a pseudonym, which is Lincoln Lawrence, of this other book called We Were Controlled, which explains, before anybody else, certain secrets of mind control related to MKUltra.
I mean, MKUltra was never revealed until an article in 1974.
And, of course, in the middle of the 70s, they brought out the whole thing.
There was a commission.
There was this and that.
MKUltra was not known when this book came out in the second half of the 60s and is attributed to this Howard Hunt guy.
What does it say?
It says of course that in Russia it could have been planted not a microchip because that wasn't really the technology they had back then but an electrode which triggers certain reactions in a human being.
And that, I mean, of course, Hunt plays, I think, also a little bit of a disinformation role in this book, because he pushes the anti-Russian narrative.
And this was, of course, considered a good thing.
So, giving some truth and some lies, but ultimately, Alan Dules could go to sleep and not have any problems.
Because I think that the problem with Kennedy was that He was definitely the enemy of the CIA at that point.
Two questions for both of you.
Two questions.
First question.
Did the CIA heavily redacted Israel mentions?
Second question.
Who really killed Jeff Kaden?
The driver?
Many people at the same time?
How did it all go?
First of all, they have destroyed a lot of documents.
This is something that now we know.
And then, after a lot of years of researching and now knowing more data about the thing, what we can say, I think we are going to agree with that, is that there were two operations.
One of the Pazzi Absolutely.
contacted by the CIA in Japan.
I wrote that in my book.
And he was in touch with Sidney Godlieff there in Japan.
Okay? This is one thing.
You know, the moment in which they They decide that John Fitzgerald Kinney has to be killed.
They design two operations.
The one that is going to be for the public, for the normies, for the stupid people, and the real thing.
And in the real thing, thanks to an audio that was released by Alex Jones, we know this conversation, this, you know...
Very important conversation between Billy Sturz and Clifton Carter that he was a Lyndon B. Johnson assistant in which they decided to do the operation.
There is no doubt that there was an operation inside the Republican Party in which you, Leo, I think that you are going to know a lot of the names I'm going to name.
First of all, Howard Hunt, that he has confessed in his deathbed that he was part of this operation.
Kurt Meyer, that he was the leader of the Operation Mockingbird.
David Adly Phillips, that he was CIA and was part of the Bay of Pigs invasion with the Cuban mafia, Antonio Bechiana.
And also, of course, Frank Sturgis, William Harvey.
Lucien Bartz and of course Gersh Busch.
What's the part of the Cuban Mafia?
This is something new to me.
I didn't know until a couple of days ago.
The thing is that they tried they have an operation to kill Fidel Castro and John Fitzgerald Kennedy ended this operation and the same team that is called the S team that were In this operation to kill Castro were exchanged or were moved to the JFK operation.
So, the upper level, the elites that decided the operation were, of course, Alan Dulles that you have mentioned, William Donovan, And of course, James Angleton.
And officially, you know, after Alan Doos was kicked out in 1961, there was also John McCone.
John McCone, like also his successor.
They were paraded as directors of the CIA, but in reality they were not, because the CIA was considered a jewel in the crown of the United States immediately after the war, and Alan Dooles knew everything about it, because he was the first civilian director of this new structure.
So even after being forced out officially, he stayed behind the scenes.
But like I said, if we actually need to find The main reason, you're completely right.
I mean, the whole thing that happened in Cuba was...
And in fact, I talk about this in Volume 11 of my confession.
So in regards to the fact that they planned schemes to drag Fidel Castro to kill him, MKUltra at that point also had a deputy director, which was Richard Helms.
Who was also very important for this highly sensitive research and development projects using drugs, using forms of hypnosis, using what, of course, is very well known as the Manchurian Candidate.
But in fact, the Manchurian Candidate is a movie which Kennedy himself approved because it was Frank Sinatra who was acting in it to call them.
And then it was removed from From every cinema in the world, the day after Kennedy was assassinated, this movie was removed from everything and anywhere.
And it wasn't to be seen for 30 years.
Doesn't it seem a little bit strange?
I mean, if you are removing a movie, why are you so scared of it?
You're scared because it reveals techniques that were used on the brainwashing, like Like Rafa said, when Oswald was working in a marine base in Japan, he was recruited.
And when he eventually went to Russia, he was already an agent.
And it proves, like I said in my book, this is also demonstrated by the fact that when he suddenly decided to come back, the embassy even gives him $4,000, which is an enormous amount of money for back then, to come back and basically...
Get back to life.
I mean, if you are a traitor who has betrayed America for the Soviet Union, you will never be given money to come back.
Actually, they will leave you to die.
They will eliminate you.
Instead, he was brought back.
And in the period preceding, of course, the JFK assassination, these documents at least show us that he was well known.
By the Russian intelligence, by the American intelligence.
So he was not a lone wolf.
That is at least what came out of these documents.
Of course, any involvement of the CIA will be removed for years to come, and we will never know anything about it, because it's not, you know, I mean, there is people who say, ah, the Jews, Mossad.
Mossad was part of the Cold War, simply part of the Cold War with everybody else.
The Cold War was, in essence, what happens here with Kennedy, who was getting too close to the Soviet Union in the way he was trying to find peace.
You can't find peace with the military-industrial complex.
They kill you.
You are taking away their business.
Isn't that true, Rafa?
Yes, yes, definitely.
I want to mention the why.
Why now?
That is something that...
I'm sure a lot of people will be asking themselves.
I think that, well, it's not my opinion.
It's a lot of people's opinion that now Donald Trump is bringing this out in the present days because he wants to connect the killing assassination with the trying to assassinate himself, Donald Trump.
And from this structure that is going to be in the open, that he's going to show how this structure was working at that time, he's going to connect all the things with the Gladio operation with NATO.
And we are going to jump into Europe, into this, you know, as you, I'm sure you know, Brigada Rossi, Terrorist Group, ETA in Spain, Grappo, Baden-Meinhof, and a lot of them.
His ultimate intention, Trump's ultimate intention is to broke NATO in, you know, in a thousand of pieces.
I completely understand what you're saying.
I think that the real intention of Donald Trump is to show the picture to the people.
And that's the reason why it's not going as fast as a lot of people want.
Because he wants the people to digest the information, to create an atmosphere, to create an interest in the topic, and to educate in a way.
He wants to educate the people in things that we, the three of us, we have, you know, came to the conclusion for years.
In fact, they are going to get all this information in months.
That is a lot for people who are, you know, that doesn't know a thing.
Well, first of all, let me explain one thing which I think in this situation is very important.
You just mentioned, of course, the Red Brigades and the other terrorist groups.
It was all a product of what Sorry, I didn't get the name.
Ginter. It was called Central Order and Tradition.
Portuguese, Ordem Central Tradição.
I don't know.
This is something, of course, you have a better pronunciation for Portuguese, especially Colin.
So in regards to the strategy of tension, it was formulated in 1969 and it was left on the shelves for a while.
Then in 1974, it was communicated from the Agente office in Lisbon to the one in Italy.
And that document was entitled Our Political Activity.
And from that moment onwards, the strategy of Tensho will be identified with, in Italy, the years of lead, because there was a lot of people that were killed from 1968 to 1982.
And there were, of course, far left Marxist groups, as well as far right groups, that were part of the strategy of Tensho, which ultimately was orchestrated by Operation Gladio, the P2, and also another group in Italy called the Ring, under Andreotti.
So this whole thing of experimenting in Italy the strategy of Tensho before bringing it elsewhere, It's like the experiment was made in Italy, you know those years were pretty hardcore in Italy.
There was a prime minister that was killed after the kidnapping, Aldomoro, and people like Steve Pissnick were directly involved because of Kissinger.
Pissnick? Pissnick, yeah.
Pissnick, they were directly involved.
Actually, he can't go back to Italy because he has a pending case in regards to the assassination of Aldomoro.
Sorry Leo, just one thing.
Do you know this Steve Pysnik?
Do you know personally this man or not?
I never wanted to know him.
I know where he lives.
He lives in Florida.
They contacted me to actually be friendly with him and make a phone call I never made because I know that at the time he worked for the Strategy of Tension and Operation Gladion and all that.
And I sincerely don't find a person like this to be...
I'm telling you because from a Spanish perspective, This will be a very good information if he knows how was killed Luis Carrero Blanco, Almirante Luis Carrero Blanco, that he was the second in command with Francisco Franco at that time, that he was killed by a NATO, a Gladio operation.
You know, they put the blame on ETA.
For us, for the Spanish people, because it was...
The beginning of this so-called democracy.
I understand that.
Steve Pitsnick will not be able to relate that kind of information because he was appointed specifically for the Aldo Moro kidnapping.
He was actually called from the United States.
Let's not forget that Steve Pitsnick is also a guy who has an expertise in psychological operations.
Not only in...
So, why calling somebody who has an expertise in psychological operations?
Because the whole thing...
Was a psychological operation.
I was a young kid.
I remember it.
I remember the tanks at the entrance of the highway, the police that will stop people for nothing and they will point machine guns at them.
And it was just like, I mean, those years were really hardcore.
My father, simply because he liked to broadcast with the CB, you know, from his home and he was doing some crazy stuff with his friends.
They arrived the police and accused him of being the head of the Red Brigades which is complete bullshit because he didn't want to align with the politics of the time and of course also in revenge of my grandfather who was a senator who was involved and then murdered in the first half of the 70s.
So these things I know very closely because I lived these things.
I actually did a conference in Rome at the foreign press with the daughter of Aldo Moro.
I did this, I think it was 2008, and they were about to release some secret documents that they were supposed to be released, and actually they came there with a photocopy.
At the foreign press, when you have a foreign press conference, all the journalists are there waiting.
And so they showed this document, and I made a photo of it, which I published in my books.
And this document basically was talking about the kidnapping of Aldo Moro two weeks before.
And it was a Ministry of Defense document with an order to be destroyed immediately after being read.
So... I think that...
Those are big news.
So that, as you are saying, this Steve Pixnick, he has to know a lot about Operation Gladiator.
The daughter of Aldo Moro said that the whole kidnapping was actually organized, and that was during this press conference, at the Bohemian Grove during their annual meeting.
So, it was like, I mean, definitely there was a lot of things going on at the time in Italy, but because I was myself then initiated later on in the Monte Carlo Lodge, which was created by the P2 during the 70s to avoid the scrutiny of the Italian authorities, I also, of course, then...
I have a direct experience with some of these people, like, for example, Ezio Junquilla, who was the treasurer of the P2 at the time, who broke a chair on the head of Licio Gelli.
I knew personally Licio Gelli, and I was invited to his funeral, and I was also acquainted very much with a lot of other people involved, like Giorgio Balestrieri, who himself apparently was involved also in 9-11, because he had interest.
In 9 /11, he was on the official list of the P2.
You see, the P2 was a list of 2,500 members.
The one made public is only a thousand, not even a thousand.
1,500 people were left out.
I have the documents to prove that.
I have the name, for example, of Generale Dalla Chiesa, when he took his oath.
or other documents that are connecting also the operations at the at the union the bank swiss in switzerland and in the socialist party in italy so there was a lot of things going on we know for example solidarnos we know that the money passed through the york the vatican to finance solidarnos and to bring down of course they potenciate in every way possible the soviet union so
I think that at the moment, as we are seeing things with JFK, JFK was the first Catholic president.
And he was the first Catholic president.
And at one point, though, it wasn't so much the problem of being Catholic.
It was a problem of going against also the Jesuits.
Because the Jesuits work together with the CIA.
A lot of the recruitment still to this day.
It goes on in universities which are owned by the Jesuits, like here in America.
Like Georgetown, Fordham, and other places.
The Loyola group here in America, they have the biggest number of universities than anywhere else in the world.
And they prepare the elite.
So at one point, though, Kennedy...
...was in an argument with the CIA but also he had openly criticized secret societies and those secret societies were all part of a very much of a conservative scheme that didn't tolerate anything that wanted to make peace or embrace the left in any way shape or form so the people behind The murder of Aldo Moro are the same people who killed JFK.
Definitely. One thing to add to your exposition is that what I think that Trump is trying to do is now, because as you know, I don't know if this is pre-news or is news already, that he wants to label Antifa as a terrorist organization.
Has he made it?
Or is it just that I I mistrust the news on the news with what I am reading, but he's going to do it as he has done with this cartel, Mexican cartels.
He wants to declare the Antifa groups as terrorists and as we have, they have proof through this Dutch.
...organization, this IA software by Elon Musk, they are proving that these NGOs are all part of the CIA.
So what's the point?
The point to me is showing that these leftist radical groups are part of the Deep State and it's the same as in the 70s where...
This Brigata Ross terrorist groups were doing assassinations as here in Spain, and now with this ecology...
One thing, you know, Rafa Pal, they were doing, of course, these assassinations as, let's say, the mercenaries, the killers that were, you know, the sicaris of the situation.
But in reality, the involvement, for example, of the Italian mafia was never mentioned.
Never. Ever.
And the same thing is happening for Kennedy.
Because, you see, when it comes to...
Just one thing.
My point is that we have a problem with the far leftists here in Europe.
Because Donald Trump and his team now, they are really focused on the European Union.
They want to destroy it.
I think we agree.
That is true.
There is a problem with the left.
There is a problem with the far left.
There is a problem with conservatives.
The way to destroy far left is showing them that they are part of the CIA.
Because for a person that he thinks he's a radical, that he's against the system and so on, the worst thing you can tell him that he's part of the same people.
They are fighting against, you know?
Leo. It's not a coincidence here.
Just to finish this, Kennedy had his own secret back channel with Moscow.
Moro, the same.
He wanted to make for the first time an alliance between the Democratic Party and the Communists.
It seems a little bit strange, this coincidence.
You know, that both people were killed, eliminated.
Because they wanted to bring peace.
A little bit like Trump now.
He wants to bypass Europe.
Europe is no longer the Europe that embraced American values.
The Europe that we have today is embracing liberal bullshit and is the product of the last few decades of meetings of the Bilderberg, which have gone left, left, left, left, and more and more and more in the hands of Laudato Si.
Pope Francis, 2015.
Ooh, we embrace everything he says.
The great Jesuits.
So, this is the problem here.
We're talking about the European Union, but I think that people will soon realize that this is actually, this is going to be something I'm going to bring out with some documents soon, and it's going to really make you understand.
Europe is simply a Jesuit creation.
That's it.
Well, let's not...
When you say Pan Europa, Calergi, or Otto von Habsburg...
Let's not forget Europe and the European Union, because the people are telling me that I am against Europe.
No, no, I am not against Europe.
Of course, when I say Europe, I say European Union.
Against the European Union.
Absolutely. Guys, guys, guys.
Take a break.
Let's break.
Let's break.
We're going to move these last five minutes on to Trump's tariffs.
And I have a video.
I have a video to illustrate.
Five minutes.
Shut the fuck up, man.
Listen, listen.
Trump is going to sing La Traviata.
It's his plan in Flamenco Traviata.
And he's here.
Exclusive. Exclusive from Washington, D.C., from La Traviata Casablanca.
Of the tyrant.
In the night of your hair, a heart is like a man.
compassion, the man who lost it.
Olé! Pregunta from the door.
You have a certain effect if you actually get it.
Well, he's...
He's saying, basically, I translate because he's beautiful.
It's beautiful.
He's basically saying he's going to fuck up and screw up with the European Union because they're a bunch of communists and they've gone so far left.
That Stalin is now far right.
Let me briefly say something.
The European Union came out of the Treaty of Rome, the European Community, the first experiments that were made basically to bring the Franco-German alliance together after the war, because during the war, of course, there was the Pichy government.
They were not really friendly.
So what happens after, though?
What happens after is very interesting, because in reality, initially they embraced Atlantis.
Of course, they embrace American values.
But the moment in which the Soviet Union ends, together with the Cold War, that's the moment in which they start going into another direction.
The direction which now made Elon Musk say yesterday at the Congress of the Northern League...
That Europe is basically a fascist state.
It's a group of states that are oppressing, taking away the freedom of press, the freedom of speech from everybody.
This is what Elon Musk has said yesterday, adding that on top of that there will be big terrorist attacks and many other things.
I mean, he said also a good thing, Elon Musk.
He said...
I dream of a Europe and America without any tariffs.
Free. This is what Trump is trying to do here.
He's simply putting you in front of this truth, which unfortunately for Europeans might be a very...
They have been freeloaders since the Second World War.
This is the truth.
I bought a car when I was in Italy in 2013.
It was a Chevy SUV with the first money made from my books.
Two years later, they said that Chevy in 2022 will no longer be in Europe and that I had to get my spare parts from other parts of the world.
So basically the car, which was a 20,000 euro car, was no longer good because you can't have any assistance for it after 2022.
And they will substitute that very same car with a similar car, almost identical, from Opel, which is a German make.
So, Trump is absolutely right.
We have given the opportunity for Europeans to develop in a different way.
But if they now say we're going to impose this and we're going to impose that, they should simply say, okay, let's have a free market area like Elon Musk suggested yesterday.
No tariffs on one side, no tariffs on the other.
And that is the solution.
If you start saying, oh, Europe, we're going to put all the tariffs.
All the time.
What's that?
I can't hear you.
The socialists are always imposing tariffs.
Well, of course they're imposing tariffs.
The socialists are always imposing tariffs.
It's good to give them the same medicine.
But it's not only the tariffs.
It's also that you are bringing in the tariffs because the Europeans always claim They have the same values.
And I repeat, I come from Europe.
I'm no longer European.
I formally renounced to my European citizenship because I thought this would happen.
And I knew that Europe...
I mean, I had to flee Italy, as you know, because they wanted to arrest me.
They wanted to take my passport for what I write in my books, for what I write in my articles.
So I lived the censorship.
On a personal experience, police breaking down the door for posts on Facebook, coming at 9 o'clock at night with the police saying the judge is doing this because of another post or an article on your website.
There is no freedom for people who really know what's going on in Europe.
If you are really fighting these people, you will have problems.
And I had to flee Europe.
And eventually, last year, in June, I formally renounced my Italian citizenship.
Because it's the only way I can go around the world without being harassed by the Italian government and the European Union.
The European Union, I repeat, doesn't have those American values anymore.
We have the First Amendment.
And Trump and J.D. Vance, who has also said this at the Munich Security Conference and later on at the White House when Zelensky was there.
The problem here is not only financial.
You have different values.
And Great Britain is the same.
They have actually done some kind of digital act in 2023 that just came into effect on the 17th of March.
Those actions by Europe and Great Britain means that Facebook, Twitter X, YouTube, everything is monitored.
And so you don't have the same freedom that we have.
And so why should we defend you in any way, shape or form?
Why should we give you our money?
This is the problem here.
It's almost 500 million Europeans who are 500 million freeloaders since the Second World War.
And we have all these bases there in a geopolitical context where we no longer require those American bases there.
Europe has to spend for their own defense, and that's what they're doing.
But it's going to break the finances of Europe because, of course, 800 billion is almost impossible for Europe.
And so I think it's very important to understand that this tariff thing is only one part of the whole thing.
You know, when, for example...
The British Prime Minister went to the White House.
The first discussion was about the freedom of expression and stuff on the social media.
Because these are laws that are interfering with the American First Amendment.
I repeat, I witnessed myself the lack of freedom in Europe.
And for that reason, I had to flee with my wife.
I mean, they arrested me.
They throw me in an at-house for two weeks.
Then they started to threaten me with a bunch of court cases.
They wanted to bankrupt me.
Then at one point they said, we're going to take your passport.
Well, then it was like before the day they wanted to take my passport.
It was the 6th of June.
I left Italy on the 20th of May.
And that's it.
I never went back again.
And I can't go back because...
Even in December, they went and interrogated my mother, asking for information on me.
So they are scared of truth.
And this whole continent that brings together Spain, that brings together Italy, these are all countries that are now relying on progressive liberal Freemasons who are simply agents of the Jesuits.
It's like you have.
Club Bilderberg, you have the Club of Rome, you have the World Economic Forum.
I mean, they could just erase the whole Brussels show and just move it to Davos, because that's where they're taking their orders from.
And like I wrote in Volume 7 of my Confessions, Davos, in 1974, Klaus Schwab invited the Red Bishop from Brazil who participated to the Pact of the Catacombs in December 1965.
Go and check the Pact of the Catacombs.
Is liberal theology, Marxism, and the people who then backed, of course, the papacy of Pope Francis.
In the Jesuits, we had also Spaniards.
We had Pedro Arrupe, who was himself a Marxist piece of shit, who John Paul II wanted to kick out.
Pedro Arropa, he was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And he was also after Hiroshima.
He was there, yes.
I know.
Rafael, we have to finish.
Two minutes.
Tariffs good or bad for Europe?
First of all, we are inside a commercial war.
But this is a commercial war not between Americans and Europeans as the media pretend to be.
Between globalists and patriots.
So that we Europeans, that we are patriots, we are in favor of Trump.
We are supporting him because we know that he's helping us to get rid of our governments, of our traitors in the government.
And my point is that what Trump is saying is he's doing pedagogy.
In which way?
Well... Today I read an article in a Spanish digital newspaper in which, while he was criticizing Donald Trump, he acknowledged, the writer acknowledged, that Donald Trump...
You see this comment by Darrell Neely?
Darrell Neely was three years in jail.
Three years in jail.
No, but this guy who's commenting saying that, he did three years in jail for January 6th.
So I just wanted to tell you who he is, because I interviewed this guy three years in jail because of this package.
So, I mean, this is a real war.
The thing is that even in Spain, they are recognizing that Donald Trump is the master of the anti-globalization.
He's trying to come back to the local economies against this globalization that has created a lot of unemployment in Europe, in the USA.
That they have moved our industries out of our countries to Asia, most of them, but also we have a problem here in Spain with Morocco, so that the situation now is very strange and very funny in a way, because the leftists here in Spain that supposedly were anti-globalization, they are in favor of globalization of this Davos Forum.
Global Agenda, this Agenda 2030.
And this Trump, that supposedly he's the master of capitalism, he's helping us to get rid of this globalisation.
So this is crazy, because in this way, Donald Trump, that supposedly is a right-winger, he's helping us to recover our economies.
And the thing is that he's teaching the people to understand why...
This unemployment, this huge numbers of unemployment has been created for a number of decades.
And, you know, the success of the USA or the US economy following this path that they are saying that this is going to happen from November onwards.
is going to teach the rest of the of the countries that this is the the right path to do it to get their own industries and their own companies to produce in their countries and you know they relocate their industries and this is very very good for europe so that what trump is doing is teaching the people what they have to ask to their governments They're going to tell you,
okay, if this goes on, you have to repeat the same politics, the same policy.
Because of what he's doing.
And globalists are going crazy with the terrorists.
The globalists...
Leo, Leo, Leo.
The globalists are going crazy with the terrorists.
They're going mad.
They're going mad.
I hope that we can in some way reset everything.
But you have to understand who invented globalism.
Let's go back to the Portuguese and Spanish empires.
Who were the ambassadors of these empires?
Who were the people?
This is another thing.
This is opening a new melon as we're saying it again.
And we can discuss about this next time.
Next time.
This is finished.
It's been really interesting, everyone.
Thanks a lot.
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Leo Zagami, Confessions of the Illuminati Mind.
The last, the very last volume.
And then, of course, Volume 11. Volume 700.
He's on 700.
We have Volume 7 and Volume 11. I advise for the subjects we treated today.
1100. And Rafa Palo, www.comlibros.com.
Rafa Palo.
The last...
Volume of the Confessions will be Volume 12 next month.
When it's ready, you will understand why.
Sorry, Colin, my website for the English books is books.rafapal.com This is for my Spanish books.
No, no, rafapal.com.
You have all of it there.
God bless you, guys.
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