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Feb. 27, 2025 - The Leo Zagami Show
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THE INQUISITION From the Past to the Present
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Especially because the subject of today, guys, is an important subject.
It goes back 800 years, but it's actually very much present with us still to these days.
Imagine, for example, what happened during the pandemic.
During the pandemic, we had this terrible moment in which...
They were censoring us left, right and center.
A modern inquisition started to occur and the Pope himself presented the...
This blind believe in science.
It was unheard of that, you know, here in America, at least, we couldn't even say what we thought anymore.
Especially after coming from Italy and not being able to say anything and then you come over here and then it's happening over here.
It was like the twilight zone.
Absolutely.
And in fact, I have a book in particular, volume seven.
In which I explained how the Vatican really was aware for a long time.
They were preparing the stages for this whole pandemic.
And unfortunately, they actually got away with it.
They made a secret deal with China, the Vatican, in the fall of 2018. And then from there on, they moved on in this new reality in which, like I said, we had...
A modern version of the Inquisition that we saw portrayed in Umberto Eco's Name of the Rose.
So for me it was very important today to explain to the common folk the history of the Inquisition, how this whole thing was born, where it was born, and why.
You know, the Inquisition has Various phases.
The initial phase came into being in France because of certain heresies, the Cateres, the Albigians, and the Albigians crusade.
And what happened with the birth of a new order, the Dominican order, this guy called Dominic Guzman pretended, at least officially, To be such a pious man, he created this new order, and this new order was then entrusted by a pope, and suddenly these people had the power of life and death over other people.
And the initial phase of the Inquisition was led by the Dominicans, but then it became also a stately affair.
When it went from being the Inquisition that was controlled by the Vatican into the stately affair of the Spanish, the infamous Spanish Inquisition, which wanted to punish, of course, the Muslim presence, but also the Jewish presence, the conversos.
And all this became...
A persecution of thousands and thousands of people that were put on the stake, left, right and center.
And of course, regardless of the fact they might have been mentally ill or sick, they were simply put on the stake.
That wasn't very Christian at all.
But this is the Inquisition.
The Inquisition is something that...
The common folk doesn't know much about, but the influence has been enormous.
And then at one point, there is a guy, a guy who is a great writer, somebody who comes from Russia, Peter Dostoyevsky, who represents the tale of the Grand Inquisitor and the brother Karamazov.
Why I'm talking about Fedor Dostoevsky is because he portrays the return of Jesus in 16th century Spain.
And that is really the crisis.
The Grand Inquisitor finds himself in front of Jesus.
That was something a bit hardcore.
Now, in the history of the Inquisition, one of the most infamous Dominicans who held the title of being the most perverse and twisted of the Inquisitors was Bernard Gouy.
Bernard Gouy was portrayed even in the book The Name of the Rose, and he was portrayed in the film The Name of the Rose.
The Name of the Rose, a film that, by the way, was filmed also up at the Alti Piani di Arcinazzo, just where we used to go to the restaurant after Subiaco.
Part of it.
The Name of the Rose.
And so I decided today to start this show, first of all, though, with the reaction, of course.
Of the Grand Inquisitor in this monologue, which is, of course, of a cinematic dramatization of Pedro Dostoyevsky's brother Karamazov.
And then maybe also I will show you Bernard Gouy as it's represented in The Name of the Rose.
But I repeat, the Inquisition is something that has been enormously influential.
The first part of the Inquisition is conducted by the Dominicans, but then later on, of course, in 1540, with the establishment of the number one Counter-Reformation order, the Jesuits, it will be the Jesuits who become entrusted with the Inquisition.
And will the Jesuits actually be better than the Dominicans, be more compassionate than them?
Not at all.
You know, they did the things that were even more out of order.
So today's show is not just, you know, a show about the current news.
We could have discussed many things that we will probably discuss on Saturday.
I mean, there's many things that are going on this week.
But I will relate just 140 in regards to what is happening on Friday at the White House.
I think that that is...
The meeting that characterizes this week, the meeting of Volodymyr Zelensky going to the White House and hopefully capitulating and ending this mess, which is the Ukrainian war with Russia.
because if Zelensky continues in his art of the comedy and instead of embracing the art of the deal of Donald J. Trump, we will definitely be in great trouble.
Please share this video because, like I said, people might not know much about the Inquisition, but the Inquisition has been extremely influential in the history of Christianity.
And the Inquisition was, of course, a judicial procedure with these ecclesiastical judges, you know, that could initiate, investigate, and, of course, decide the life of people.
They said they were combating heresy, apostasy, blasphemy, witchcraft, but in the case of the Jesuits, for example, they were themselves magicians.
They had been themselves initially persecuted by the Inquisition.
And they turned out to be, they went from being persecuted to being the persecutors.
Now, usually these cases ended up in execution or life imprisonment.
Even Galileo Galileo, for saying that the earth was round, was put in front of the Inquisition.
Was Galliostro put in front of the Inquisition?
Galliostro was the last.
The last victim of the Inquisition, Count Cagliostro.
Count Cagliostro, for those who don't know it, was of course a member of the Illuminati, one of the investigators of the French Revolution, and had created his own Egyptian right of Freemasonry, but he eventually did a great error going back to Rome, and in Rome he was arrested, and he had to face the Inquisition.
that will arrest him and after the court procedures in which the Pope will hide through a wall and watch him, you know, just like through a little hole, it was just like a whole thing and then he was brought into the castle of San Leo where some say he was then a victim of a strangulation a few years later and he lived in this In a ditch,
basically, in this castle, but without being able to go anywhere.
And he was literally given the food from on top, you know.
So the end of his life represents also, though, the end of the Inquisition, because Cailloso himself then cursed the Inquisition in a way, and the Inquisition was to be wiped out.
I mean...
Of course, with the Napoleonic Wars, with the advances in civilization, in modernity, the age of enlightenment and everything else, the grips that the Vatican had on the control of other states was diminished to the level that, in the end, the Inquisition was only practiced within the Vatican State, but even the Vatican State...
He was forced, in a way, to reform the whole Inquisition once they were minimized by the unification of Italy.
In the end, nowadays, they have been transformed into something else.
The Inquisition doesn't exist anymore as the Santo Frizio, the Inquisition, but is nowadays known.
Something different, the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, which is a department of the Roman Korean Church of the religious discipline of the Catholic Church.
But let's go back to where I want to start, the Grand Inquisitor, because...
And various books that I consulted today for today's show include also, of course, Michael Bagent and Richard Lay, the late Michael Bagent and Richard Lay, who wrote books that were, of course, much more popular, like Holy Brother, the Holy Grail, which influenced Dan Brown.
But this book on the Inquisition It's a great book, though unfortunately it seems to embrace some of the more modern theories that the Jesuits have been spreading on the so-called black legend of the Spanish Inquisition.
What does it mean?
It means that because the Vatican is trying to advocate themselves, to present themselves in a different way today, They have spread, through certain academics in particular,
this tale about the fact that all these accounts of the Spanish Inquisition were simply a black legend, propaganda, anti-Catholic propaganda.
Very convenient.
Very convenient, of course.
Let's just erase it.
Yeah, it's typical of the Jesuits not to do something like this.
So it's a revisionist theory.
And it's based mainly on the work of historians like Edward Peters, Henry Kamen in particular, which sustained that the Inquisition and the historical data on the Inquisition was distorted by the Protestants, was distorted even by the Italians who were reporting on the Spanish Empire.
And so at the basis of this new...
New theory is the emphasis, of course, that the negative aspects of the Inquisition were simply prejudiced by the Illuminists, by the anti-Catholics.
And, of course, like I said, various authors have embraced it or touched.
And unfortunately, at times, even Michael Bajent and Richard Lay tend to do that.
Though I must say that...
I like some of the elements in their book.
And so, aside from any revision on the matter, I personally think that any revision on the matter is the way of the Jesuits to rewrite history.
Because, you see, the Jesuits were themselves persecuted by the Inquisition.
People like Ignazio Loyola and his early followers were arrested.
Loyola was arrested at least two or three times that we know and probably stopped and harassed even more.
He was arrested and he had to spend weeks in jail because he was arrested.
They thought he was part of the alumbrat.
Alombrados were the illuminati of the time, the gnostics.
And when we go back and see the history of the Inquisition, it was actually the Albigians, the caters, that were themselves gnostics who inspired the birth of the Inquisition.
But it's also interesting to see that the Inquisition, which was initially born in the...
Of course, inspired by the work that they were conducting in the Vatican, especially in particular the Dominicans.
Why did the Pope give all this power to the Dominicans?
Because it was actually the clergy that had been infiltrated by this Gnostic heresy.
So the early people to be investigated by the Inquisition were not the common people, but it was actually the clergy.
But at one point, like I said, I think it's very important to understand the significance of the Grand Inquisitor and Fyodor Dostoyevsky's novel, Brother Karamazov, which was published earlier on, before it became...
A novel.
It was, you know, small parts as they used to do back then in daily newspapers.
You will read a novel for a number of weeks, you know, and then it will come out later on.
It was published eventually in 1880 in its integral form.
And it's like you see this Jesus.
Returning to earth in Seville at the height of the Inquisition, facing a Grand Inquisitor.
And it is a very amazing account, because you can really see how scared the Church is of Jesus coming back.
Because it doesn't really, I mean, for them, Jesus coming back is a nightmare.
And I think that it will be interesting for us, at least for a few minutes, to see this.
Wonderful interpretation that was made of the brother Karamazov and of course of the Grand Inquisitor.
So let's emerge ourselves for a moment in Dostoyevsky's Grand Inquisitor and then we come back.
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And let's emerge ourselves more and more in the subject, very interesting subject, very relevant subject of today.
We are living in a very particular period of time in which the restrictions of the modern inquisitions have just been lifted after.
Trump has arrived in the White House.
But if Trump didn't arrive in the White House and we had Kamala, well, we would have had, in this jubileum year, by the way, we would have had a rebirth, unfortunately, of the Inquisition described by Dostoevsky.
Fire is the terrible symbol of the Spanish Inquisition.
Fires were lighted every day to the glory of God and for the destruction, by burning, of the church's enemies.
The Grand Inquisitor has become aware of an enemy.
A stranger has moved among the crowds and performed a miracle.
The crowds have pressed around him, awestruck, confused by hope.
On the order of the Grand Inquisitor, the man has been arrested.
Now it is night.
The air is breathless with heat.
The cardinal comes to face his prisoner.
The cardinal comes to face his prisoner.
The cardinal comes to face his prisoner.
You!
Is it you?
No!
Don't answer!
Keep silence!
Indeed, what could you say?
No!
You have no right to add anything to what you said before.
Why have you come to make trouble for us?
For you have come to make trouble for us.
You know you have.
But do you know what will happen tomorrow?
I don't know who you are, and I don't want to know whether it is indeed you or only a semblance.
But tomorrow, tomorrow I shall condemn you and burn you as the worst of heretics.
And that same crowd of people who today were kissing your feet, tomorrow, at a single nod from me, will rush to pile up the faggots below your stake.
Do you know that?
Yes.
Perhaps you do.
Have you the right to make known to us a single one of the mysteries of that world from which you've come?
No, you have no right.
Nothing may be added to what was said before, for that would infringe on man's freedom of faith.
And wasn't it you who kept repeating in those days, fifteen hundred years ago, I want to make you free?
Oh, yes, it has cost us dear, this business.
For 15 centuries, we have wrestled with that freedom of yours.
Now our building is finished and secure in your name.
You don't believe that we've made it secure.
Gaze back at me so meekly.
Not even a frown.
Know this, then.
Today, at this very moment, men are convinced, as never before, that they have perfect freedom, although they themselves brought their freedom to us and laid it humbly at our feet.
But this was our doing.
Was that freedom you wanted?
Was it?
Man was created a rebel.
Surely, rebels can never be happy.
Yet now, for the first time, it has become possible to think of people's happiness.
You were warned, but you would not listen.
You rejected the only way that which man could be given happiness.
But fortunately, when you were leaving, you handed the job over to us.
By your own word, you gave us the right either to bind or to loosen.
And now, of course, you could not even think of taking away that right.
So why have you come to make trouble for us?
Why did you come to make trouble for us?
Hmm.
That is the opening of...
Theodore Dostoyevsky.
you Parable of the Grand Inquisitor, a more or less self-contained 25-page narrative embedded in the 800 or so pages of the Brothers Karamazov, first published by installments in a Moscow magazine during 1879 and 1880. The parable's real significance resides in what follows the dramatic prelude.
For the reader expects, of course, that the Grand Inquisitor will be appropriately horrified when he learns the true identity of his new prisoner.
That, however, is not the case.
When the Grand Inquisitor visits Jesus' cell, it is clear that he knows only too well whom the prisoner is, but the knowledge does not deter him.
During the prolonged philosophical and theological debate that ensues, the old man remains adamant in his position.
In scripture, Jesus is tempted by the devil in the wilderness with the prospects of power, of earthly authority, of secular or temporal dominion over the world.
Now, a millennium and a half later, he is confronted by precisely the same temptations.
When he resists them, the Grand Inquisitor consigns him to the stake.
And that's really the greatness of Fyodor Dostoevsky's account.
But the reality of what went on for hundreds of years, thanks to the Inquisition, is a brutal reality.
A brutal reality that started, like I said, with the Dominicans, with the Dominicans after, of course, this very extraordinary gentleman called Now we call him Saint Dominic.
Everybody thinks of him.
Dominic the Guzman, the patron saint of astronomers and natural scientists, when in reality, like I told you a moment ago, he even persecuted Galileo Galileo.
So this is a paradox in itself.
This Castilian Catholic priest pretended to be...
I mean, he was the kind of guy, I'll tell you a tale just to make you understand what kind of guy was Saint Dominic.
Saint Dominic was the kind of guy who will eat a lot of food and then will go and be guested somewhere else.
Of course, he will eat a lot of food in secret because then when he arrives in the place where he has to stay for the night, he says, I'm fasting.
I'm dedicating.
This fast to the Holy Mary and all this BS. This was the kind of guy, so he was entrenched in hypocrisy.
The Dominicans were precursors to the Jesuits, but like I said, they also persecuted Ignazio Loyola because Ignazio Loyola was practicing magic, was practicing magic, and some people ask here, what kind of magic?
Well, The early forms of magic practiced by the Jesuits were, of course, in line with the alumbrados, with Gnostic practices, but also Islamic magic that was left over there in Spain and so on.
And so it was a little bit of a mix.
They believed...
The alumbrados believed that if you reach a certain level of perfection, then you could indulge even in sin, have a lot of sex, orges, whatever, but you will not be touched by the sin because you had reached a level of illumination that granted direct contact with the Trinity in God.
So this is the alumbrados.
But of course, Loyola managed to convince the inquisitors of the time who were investigating him, And he got away with it.
He got away with it because he was also from a very influential family.
He was, you know, he was raised in a castle.
He wasn't a peasant.
Otherwise, probably he would have been killed.
But the alumbrados, of course, were persecuted, especially in the 1520s.
There is traces, every traces of the alumbrados from...
1490s onwards.
The Alumbrados, like I said, were Gnostics Illuminati.
The name itself means Illuminati.
So they were the Illuminati of the time.
Now, we know that amongst the first Jesuits there will be some conversos.
People who used to be Jews.
The second father general who followed Ignacio Loyola was Parate Conversos.
And there wasn't any prohibition, initially at least, for people of Jewish faith who embraced the Catholic faith.
But if they re-embraced the Jewish faith, then they would be punished by the Inquisition.
And in general...
They were punished by the Inquisition.
The Inquisition in Spain, when it became the Spanish Inquisition, then it became the ultimate form of Inquisition.
It was like the Vatican had started this Inquisition in a more moderate way, let's say, even if they gave birth to events that were not that moderate.
I mean, when it came to particularly the Caters and the Valdezians.
The inquisitor, of course, of the time, the mid 15th century, the medieval inquisition.
I mean, these people were pretty hardcore and they became so hardcore that torture became part of the whole thing.
Torture became part of the whole thing.
As I said earlier, one of the guys who indulged in torture and he was a Dominican of proven faith was Bernard Gouy.
Bernard Gouy was a bishop of Lodeu, a papal inquisitor during the later stages of the medieval inquisition and he's featured in the name of the Rose.
Here he is in the portrait, of course, the portrait, Hollywood portrait, of Umberto Eco's book.
It's pretty scary, eh?
This moment of the Inquisition, it's, let's say, pretty scary.
torture.
The interesting thing about the name of the rose is that it really is telling us how things happened during the Inquisition.
They will prepare their arrival in a hobby, in a university, and then they will arrive with their whole Entourage.
And they will start investigating.
And in this case, the investigator is Sean Connery.
But later on, we have also Gui.
But I think that actually Gui is featured in another clip.
I'm sorry I didn't get the right clip.
But this is Sean Connery.
Sean Connery, who conducts the investigator.
But the interesting thing is...
That during the investigation, he admits that he's a former Templar.
The Templars, of course, had been dismantled, and then they had been themselves victims of the Inquisition.
So there is a passage here in the book, which Christine might be able to give us here.
This paragraph here, if you can.
Oh no, there are far more authoritative witnesses, Bernard smiled.
Stephen of Bourbon, in his treatise on the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit, tells how St. Dominic, after preaching at Fonju against the heretics, announced a certain woman that they would see against the...
Wait.
He stayed.
Sorry, I lost it.
You want me to do it?
Wait, no, wait.
Stephen tells St. Dominic...
Nick, after preaching at Fonje against the heretics, announced to certain women that they would see the master that they served till then.
And suddenly, into their midst sprang a frightful cat the size of a large dog with huge blazing eyes, a bloody tongue that came to its navel, a short, straight tail in the...
In the air, so that however the animal turned, it displayed the evil of its behind, more fetid than any other.
I can see it.
As it is proper for that anus, which many devotees of Satan, not least in Knights Templar, have always been accustomed to kiss in the course of their meetings.
And actually, this is a tradition.
This tradition that he's talking about is then being picked up by the Shriners.
The Shriners, the modern Shriners.
What do they do?
Okay, the modern Shriners symbolically kiss the anus of their master of the lodge when they get initiated.
What, literally?
Literally.
Like literally?
Not the anus, but they kiss the ass.
In the lodge of the Oriental Shrine, the Order of the Oriental Shriners.
You know the Shriners that you see going around in America?
Yeah, but whose ass do they kiss?
Of the master.
But a real butt?
Yes, yes.
Like the person bends over and they kiss it?
Yes.
Oh my god, that's horrible.
That's what happens in the initiation of the Shriners.
What?
Oh my gosh, I knew a Shriner once.
Okay, anyway.
I'm not going to say anything.
I could say some rude things.
And after moving about the women for an hour, the cat sprang on the bell rope and climbed up it, leaving his stinking waist behind.
No wonder I couldn't read this.
And it is not the cat, the animal beloved by the catharsis, who, according to Alanis de Insolis, is so called from cactus because of its beast whose posture they kiss, considering it the incarnation of Lucifer.
And is this disgusting practice not confirmed also by William of Laverna in the Legibus?
Okay, let's go back to the clip that we were supposed to see a moment ago with Bernard Gouy, also featured in the name of the roles.
to find this clip in the meantime.
So I wanted to show it to our viewers.
Welcome to the Leo Zagami Show with me and Christy.
Very interesting, you know?
You should have warned me on that.
You didn't tell me I was reading that.
It was a surprise.
Well, that's why I couldn't read.
Brother Salvatore.
These torments will cause me as much pain as you.
Oh, no, no.
Oh, no.
But you can put an end to them before we even begin.
Open the gates of your heart.
Search the depths of your soul.
Search.
I search, Signor Bellissima.
I search.
I search.
Then tell me...
who...
Among your brethren is the heretic responsible for these murders.
No lo so, Magnifico.
No sabe, no sabe nada, no sabe.
Stupido, stupido.
Me no know nothing.
Me no know nothing in front of Ben Ergui, one of the most feared Inquisitors of the Dominican Order.
Then, of course, the Spanish Inquisition arrived.
The tribunal of the Holy Hospice of the Inquisition was established in 1478. I think I have the symbol here that I can show you of this infamous institution that was established.
To go after all the heretics, especially in Spain.
This was the mighty symbol.
Monty Python took the piss.
Let's say the Inquisition.
But in reality, guys, the Inquisition had terrible torches practice and it wasn't a joke.
Oh, goodness.
It wasn't absolutely a joke.
And the Spanish Inquisition was established in a way that, let's say, they could go along with the Roman Inquisition and the Portuguese Inquisition also that was established.
And there also we see...
With the Portuguese Inquisition, the long hand of Ignacio Loyola that helped in the establishment of the Inquisition, though he himself was a victim of the Inquisition.
So what happened is that basically the Jesuits, like I said earlier, went from being persecuted in saying...
You know what happened when the Portuguese said, okay, we should make the Inquisitor here, the Grand Inquisitor in Portugal, a Jesuit.
And the Jesuit said, but this is an opportunity to make our order even better and grow in the order.
Jeez, man.
Okay, so what happened then?
It happened that, of course, the Vatican saw the Spanish Inquisition doing all this and they said, well...
We want to do it too?
We want to, you know, we want to relaunch our Inquisition and make it even more fierce and just make it as bad as the Spanish Inquisition.
I saw something, though, in Germany.
And that's where they went for.
Because, you see, at the moment, you see, when the Inquisition was born, like we said, it was in a context in which we didn't have yet Protestantism.
Okay, we had these heresies, Caetars, Albigians, blah, blah, blah.
But when the Jesuits were founded...
That was the moment of the Counter-Reformation.
That was the moment in which you had Luther, Martin Luther, you have Calvinists, you have the birth of Calvinism, you had people rebelling to all the decadence of the church.
So that was the moment in which the Jesuits started to see the Inquisition as an opportunity and the Vatican itself also to use it in reclaiming the souls lost to Protestantism.
Now, that's really a little bit sick.
I mean, of course, they wanted to reclaim places which they managed to reclaim.
Because, for example, Poland today will not be Catholic if they didn't reclaim it.
They would have become probably, you know, it was very, it was there on the borders with Germany.
It was becoming quickly, very quickly colonized by the Lutherans, you know, who were taking over the show.
Because, of course, of this new Inquisition, which had this new added element of the Jesuits.
And who brought this new added element?
Well, this new added element was brought by a gentleman who very few people know and whose name the Jesuits tend to not want to even mention.
His name is Marie Antoine de Rio.
who was born in 1551 and died in 1608. Now, this guy wrote a book called Disquisitorium Magicorum, which means the magical work.
Basically, the magic workings means it's a book about the thousand and one witchcraft, the elements to identify witchcraft.
So while the Jesuits were themselves practicing magic, They went after everybody else, the adversaries who practice magic, and they did it as inquisitors.
So that's why Del Rio, who was one of the most fierce inquisitors and who wrote a book, who inspired...
The book of Del Rio was inspired by the infamous Malleus Maleficarum, who is the hammer of the witches, which was this manual on how to identify the witches.
And so, but Del Rio's book...
It became, which was not a book, I don't know how many volumes, and it will tell you how to identify them, how to interrogate them, how to torture them in the most perverse and twisted ways, so you could get an answer from them.
So, I mean, the Rio today...
You know, today the official historians who work with the Jesuits say, well, the Rio actually didn't have a direct experience.
He was just reporting as a historian.
No!
The guy himself was pretty much involved in the Inquisition.
In fact, there was a moment in the history of the Rio in which a book came out.
A book came out which wasn't his book.
It was by a guy called Bier, a guy called John Bier.
This guy, I think it was a Dutch gentleman, wrote out a book on what was going on with this Inquisition, condemning the fact that many Sikh people, many Sikhs, mentally people, were actually becoming victims of it.
So, he wrote this book.
Let me see if I can find...
Let me see if I can...
Because it's not easy, guys.
Just a sec.
Give me a sec.
Joan Beer.
Yes, Joan Beer, born in 1515 and died in 1588. And he...
Published a book.
Let me tell you the title in a second.
Because this guy here pissed off so much De Rio, he went completely ballistic and started to write things against him.
This guy, I'm going to show you now.
He challenged, you see, what was happening with the Inquisition.
Here it is, Jean Vier.
He wrote a fruit treatise.
You can read here, you see?
Protritis against the trials and persecution of people accused of witchcraft.
His most influential work is the prestigious De Monument in Cancianibus at Verificis, which is translated means On the Illusions of the Demons and on the Spells of the Poisons.
It was published in 1563. It eventually came to the attention of the Rio, the great inquisitor of the Jesuits.
At that point, Dario started to write against him all these pamphlets and stuff and said, you don't understand anything about this.
Actually, you are playing the game of the devil and you are highly suspicious.
He was basically even saying that the guy was maybe himself a Satanist because he dared to question the fact that some of these people who were put on the stake were innocent.
I'm sure a lot of them were.
A lot of them were.
But that's why today, the Modern Inquisition, I talk about certain elements in Volume 7 of my confession.
And in Volume 9 of my confession, as you know, I talk about...
The Faustinian bargain.
Now, when the whole myth of the Faustinian bargain of, you know, selling yourself to the devil for having something in return started to circulate, well, that made the inquisitors even more adamant in their quest, no?
Say, who sold the soul to the devil?
You, you, you, you, you, you!
Now, it was very easy if you were, let's say, the lover of a priest.
And suddenly the priest didn't want you anymore to be accused of being a witch.
Or it was very convenient, for example, for somebody who had done something wrong to a bishop or something to be accused of being a witch or a magician or having practiced the demonic acts.
So, I mean, it could be used at times, you know.
I mean, here in America, we saw what happened in Salem.
So, I mean, we had some kind of situation happening even within the Protestant world.
I mean, the Salem trials are a series of hearings and prosecutions that took place here in Colonial Massachusetts between 1692 and 1693. The trials resulted in the execution of 19 people and imprisonment of many others.
Now, I'm not saying that they were not...
There were not any witches or there were not any black magicians.
But the crazy thing is that the Jesuits themselves, who were themselves magicians, could use this Inquisition to, you know, get rid of their adversities.
And the insane thing is also to think, like Dostoyevsky said, that, of course, in this kind of situation, Jesus himself If he came back, would become victim of the Inquisition.
Spirit, a brilliant and terrifying spirit of self-destruction and non-being, spoke with you in the wilderness, and we are told he tempted you.
Surely, if ever there was a true, all-enveloping miracle performed on Earth...
It was performed on the day of those three temptations.
For through those three questions, three images are made manifest, which together contain all the insoluble contradictions of human nature throughout history.
Now, fifteen centuries later, we can see clearly that all those three questions so aptly foresaw has been borne out, and nothing can be added.
And nothing taken away.
Judge for yourself who was right, you or he who put the questions to you.
Remember the first question.
You want to go into the world, but you are going with empty hands, with only some promise of freedom.
Which men in their unruliness and simplicity cannot even put a meaning to, which they fear and dread, for nothing has ever been so unbearable to man as freedom.
But now, if you were to take these stones lying about here in this wilderness and turn them into loaves of bread, mankind would follow you at once, grateful and obedient.
You rejected that proposal.
What kind of freedom is it, you reasoned, if obedience can be bought with loaves of bread?
Man does not live by bread alone.
That was your answer.
Do you know that centuries will go by and mankind will declare through the mouth of its science that there is no sin, only hungry people?
Feed them first and then ask virtue of them.
That is the cry by which their science will destroy your temple.
And for a thousand tormented years, they will try to feed themselves.
No science of theirs will ever give them bread so long as they are free.
And so in the end, it will be to us they come and lay their freedom at our feet crying.
Make us slaves, if you will.
And unfortunately, during the pandemic, the majority of people laid slaves to a pope who proclaims science above God, who proclaims the importance of Dr. Fauci above God. who proclaims the importance of Dr. Fauci above God.
People like Dr. Fauci became, in the modern Inquisition, the incarnation of the Grand Inquisitor.
And it was, you know...
Finding once again that, you know, man is tricked into believing things that are just...
And it was like a moment of time between 2020 and 2022, you know, a timeline of events that one after the others that made us understand how fragile...
It's this freedom we are supposedly living in.
And now, because we have, at least here in the United States of America, reacquired that freedom, there is a problem, though, that is still currently a problem.
And that is the inflation.
That is the prices of the common goods that we all necessitate, including bread.
Including eggs, including meat.
The prices that are, of course...
Not any lower.
Not any lower, but the problem, of course, we can't blame Trump.
Trump has been the president for just a little over a month, and he needs to sort this out.
He needs to sort it out, because otherwise it will be a problem.
Let's go back to the name of the rose.
Finding the answer behind this inquisition that suddenly arrives in a hobby in the middle of nowhere where supposedly they are hiding some books that they're not meant to have.
Because knowledge is also a problem for these people.
And we saw it during the pandemic.
You were not allowed to post anything that contradict what they said about COVID-19.
You couldn't contradict anything on what they said about the vaccines.
It is the modern inquisition.
We did and we lost 17 channels.
Yes, absolutely.
Either we did or our callers did.
And in the meantime, these people who have sold their soul to the devil, who have sold their soul to the devil, who are ruling the world, made themselves richer and richer.
And so the reality of the Grand Inquisitor is still with us.
The reality of a church.
That is trying to stop people like us.
I mean, here we are, broadcasting on a number of channels, on Facebook, on YouTube, on X and around.
With no visualizations.
We should have a million people.
We should have millions of people.
We should have at least 100,000 people.
But when we reach, imagine this, guys.
My main channel, which had over 25,000 subscribers, now after Trump was elected, was given back to me, but there was no videos, no subscribers, no nothing in it.
It was empty.
A couple of channels were given back to me.
Of course, they were not comparable to that channel.
And why did they erase the content on that channel?
Because the content...
It's scary for the Inquisition, for the modern Inquisition.
So, civilization today has made a bargain.
This is a brief paragraph from Volume 9 of my Confessions.
Civilization made a commitment to science, technology, and industry that might indeed be called a Faustinian bargain because, as we remember, Faust in Goethe's play brought magical, that is, secular knowledge and powers which he was compelled to use, forced into the next experience, the next project, or the risk to be damned into eternity.
And that illustration provides a good analogy with some formulations of the current situation.
The most well-known examples of a technological revolution...
Do you want me to keep reading?
No, no, it's okay.
It's okay because, of course, I would like to also, we don't have much time left, mention instead the Jesuits in regards to the Chinese, you know?
I mean, the Jesuits and Pope Francis knew that this pandemic was coming before it was coming.
I explained it in Volume 7, but I also explained in Volume 4, which was written before the pandemic, the link, historical link between China and the Jesuits that goes back hundreds of years, and the Illuminati, of course.
So, let's go back to the name of the rose.
The Pope is a fox.
The Abbot is a monkey.
He really had a daring talent for comic images.
I trust my words did not offend you, Brother William.
But I heard a person laughing at laughable things.
You Franciscans, however, belong to an order where merriment is viewed with indulgence.
Yes, it's true.
St. Francis was much disposed to laughter.
Laughter is a devilish wind which deforms the vigniments of the face and makes men look like monkeys.
Now, the whole thing at the end of this movie is that they were hiding a book about laughter They were hiding a book that made you laugh, and that was regarded as a sin by these people, to maintain...
The paradox of this inquisition in the past and in the present is that they want to make our life miserable like they did during the pandemic.
When we were not allowed to laugh any longer because our faces were covered With a nappy, with something that covered their face, covered their emotions and created generations now of young kids who are expressionless, who don't know how to interact with each other because they have missing expression.
Do not laugh.
Laughter is particular to man.
As a sin.
Christ never was.
Can we be so sure?
There is nothing in the scriptures to say that he did.
And there's nothing in the scriptures to say that he did not.
Why, even the saints have been known to employ comedy, to ridicule the enemies of the faith.
For example, when the pagans plunged St. Morris into the boiling water, he complained that his bath was too cold.
The sultan put his hand in and scalded himself.
A saint immersed in boiling water.
Does not play childish tricks.
He restrains his cries and suffers for the truth.
And yet Aristotle devoted his second book of poetics to comedy as an instrument of truth.
You have read this work?
No, of course not.
It's been lost for many centuries.
And that is the book that this whole thing, this whole book of Huberto Eco that becomes a movie with Sean Connery is based on, you know, covering up this lost book that talks about laughing. covering up this lost book that talks about laughing.
No, it has not.
It was never written.
Because providence doesn't want futile things glorify.
Futile things glorify.
So we...
Of course, it started with MEMS, MEMS that will upset the system during the pandemic.
Well, those were also censored.
They made sure that we were completely obliterated by censorship, so we couldn't even laugh about it.
I hope that today our show, dedicated to the Inquisition from the past to the present, in a way helped people realize The danger of the Inquisition still to this day.
We have, of course, talked about Pope Francis being on his deathbed, still there now signing, nominating bishops and so on, so he can continue to craft this church in his diabolical image, which is the image of the Jesuits.
The Jesuits of today definitely are different from Del Rio.
I think that probably all these progressive Jesuits who embrace all kinds of things today, like euthanasia or LGBT values, will be probably put on the stake by Del Rio.
But having said that, the Inquisition showed this ugly face again during the pandemic.
And so I hope that this show in some way was of help to you guys.
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Thank you very much from me and my wife, Christy.
Of course, Christy today cooked something fantastic from this book, which I want to show you.
A matriciana, I mean.
Yes, the matriciana, Zagami Family Cookbook, Authentic Italian Cooking.
Maybe if it came out in medieval times, it would have been censored because...
It makes you too happy.
It makes you too happy.
Eating good food and, of course, all this delicious food with great images.
Christy is also a great photographer.
She's thinking about doing a volume two.
So she needs encouragement, guys.
She needs encouragement.
Well, if you purchase volume one, she will do volume two.
Of course.
Well, guys.
I have more recipes.
Yes, a lot more recipes.
So we're thinking about volume two.
Thank you so much.
And we see you, of course, on Saturday with our show sponsored by Dr. Faro and Buona Vita.
Don't miss it.
Here we are for the final dance.
In that time, our world has taken so many steps in the wrong direction.
In the negative utopia, science, technology, social organization, dehumanization...
Even negatively, no good, science, technology, social organization.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Social organization.
Dehumanization.
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