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Oct. 10, 2024 - The Leo Zagami Show
01:12:21
WILL KAMALA STEAL THE ELECTION?
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, we have my old friend.
I know him for almost 20 years.
It's been a long, long time.
We used to talk on something called Skype years ago.
I don't think anybody uses Skype anymore.
I think a few people use it.
It's not that bad.
It has lost a bit of appeal after they connected with Microsoft.
Microsoft acquired...
I mean, at the end of the day...
We are now using platforms which are all, in one way or another, corrupted by greed, censorship.
We end up always having to compromise.
We were talking about it just before the beginning of the show, the level of censorship.
I think that at least when it comes to Skype, we didn't get censorship at the time.
No, no. It was wide open back then.
Yeah, yeah. I didn't discuss anything.
Yeah, absolutely. 100%.
Otherwise, we would have been shut down a long time ago.
You should see some of the conversations me and this guy used to get into.
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He just wrote another book.
Tell us about your newest book, brother.
I know you're excited about it.
What's in this book? Why should people buy it?
What should people read it? Tell me.
Well, I mean, the cover really explains it all.
Here we have Thomas Crooks, we have LRB Oswald, we have Alan Dudes, we have the symbol of the CIA, psychological operation, we have Sun Tzu.
This gives you an idea of what this book is all about.
It's connecting also the past, present and future so we can know more about something like mind control.
In fact, it's the past, present and future of mind control from Sun Tzu.
To MKUltra and beyond.
And it's also a book that is addressed to all those people that in the last decades of times have been mentioning MKUltra without really knowing what they're talking about, Garmin.
Because, you know, it's like MKUltra became immediately one of the hot topics of the internet after the internet was born.
But it kind of like became almost urban legend.
Anything could become MKUltra.
So I wanted to really talk about the reality of it.
the last 20 years but then I wanted to explain where we are now with cognitive warfare with the latest development in psychological warfare and so this book is a unique book because it offers you a perspective That, as you know, is also from my own experience and insider perspective.
My father was involved with MKUltra in the 1960s with the experiments.
He was a psychiatrist, and he experimented in France for MKUltra, one of their projects.
Because MKUltra was constituted of over 160 projects, and these projects were not only here in the US, but they were also developed abroad.
And not only in Canada, but also in countries like Norway, France.
And so, at one point, my father came to the conclusion in the middle of the 70s that he could no longer be a psychiatrist because the political abuse of psychiatry had really made him understand that in countries like Italy, they would lock you up and make you TSEO, as they call it in Italy, If you were going against the status quo, if you were going against the establishment, and people think that political abuse of psychiatry happened only in countries like the Soviet Union.
No, unfortunately, it happened all over the place, also here in the Western world, in countries like America, but also all over Europe.
And psychological operations, though, is not only about MKU. MKU, like I said, lasted only 20 years and it was built out of a reaction that the US had on obtaining technology to control people's minds after the Soviet Union and the Nazis had already applied this technology with incredible results.
I mean... I think that nobody can say that Adolf Hitler didn't brainwash and mind control the entirety of the German people because, I mean, you never saw such diligence, such discipline and such, you know, complete blind for their leader who was controlling them left, right and center until the last day of his life.
You see, in Italy, And you can confirm this, because being of Italian origin like me, during the Second World War, at the end of the Second World War, suddenly the Italians went from fascism to the Allied forces and kind of like, it's where the, in Italy we say there was Volta Vento, where the flag goes, because they were not like the Germans.
The Germans were completely into their leader until the end.
Italians, no. The Italians, when things didn't go too well, say, okay, we're going to side with the Americans, we're going to side with the English, who cares?
But that was also because of mind control, because Mussolini used mind control to a certain extent in his propaganda.
There is actually a book that was published I think around 1940 called The Rape of the Masses by a Russian author who was a disciple of Ivan Pavlov, this pioneer of mind control, who said that Mussolini used techniques of propaganda and mind control to control his people.
But the Italians are a little bit rebels and it's a bit difficult to completely control them.
Until these days though, Mel, because These days, like the whole of the Western world, the youngsters are easily brainwashed with tools like TikTok.
Cognitive warfare goes through social networks like TikTok.
And in fact, NATO has directly accused China of having issued a mind-controlled weapon, a cognitive warfare weapon, with TikTok.
And that's why they want to ban it here in the United States.
Though there is a lot of talk of banning it but then not really much is done because then you have the influencers and the influencers today The ones who go at the White House, the ones that promote the woke ideology, the ones that Joe Biden or Kamala can rely on to deliver their idiotic message.
That's very unfortunate, but that's how it is.
And these influencers are today the mind controllers at times.
That's why often influencers are used by the psychological warfare units for this Warfare, mine control warfare, let's say, the battlefield of the mine has changed a little bit because in 2012, a law which was in place since 1948, I explain this in my book, was changed.
We were protected from 1948 under Truman because we were one year after the establishment of the CIA, one year prior to the establishment of NATO, Here in America, under Truman, they wanted to protect the American people from being brainwashed.
So they issued a law that prohibited any psychological operations in the United States.
In 2012, under Barack Hussein Obama, things changed, unfortunately.
There was an amendment made to this law, and the excuse being that The Arab, Persian minorities were being brainwashed by ISIS and Al-Qaeda.
That's quite ridiculous when you think that Al-Qaeda and ISIS were creations of the deep state themselves.
So it's like they wanted an excuse, an excuse which opened a Pandora's box of possibilities.
And today, unfortunately, there is more mind control and brainwashing going on Daily, through our media, through the internet.
I think, though, we have to also understand why it happened in 2012.
With the internet, you no longer have the closed borders you had before.
So, you know, you can have Voice of America pointed abroad and nobody listened to it here.
That was, you know, in Europe, you go to Germany, you listen to Voice of America.
But Germany was one country, like Italy, Who had to be brainwashed.
And the reason is this.
In 1949, when NATO was put together, and I explain this in my book, the law they passed here in America prohibited brainwashing the Americans, but didn't prohibit brainwashing the Italians, the Germans, the French, the English. These people, up until now, never had a single law to protect them against psychological warfare.
And it was very important for the Americans and for the Americans to be in charge of this NATO by directing all the psychological warfare efforts of it.
And when they needed, for example, A psychological operation here in America, they would simply use their allies abroad.
And they did it in the case of 9-11, after 9-11, when they needed an excuse to invade Iraq.
It was seismic, the Italian military intelligence, that delivered that fake news about the weapons of mass destruction that Then it was used by Colin Power and everybody to justify the invasion of Iraq, but it was fake news.
And in fact, SISMI was actually eliminated altogether after the end of the George W. Bush administration and was reformed, and now it's called in a different way.
And so they always used also the clause of plausible denability.
There is always somebody else that can be given the blame.
In the... Space, let's say, those 20 years, 1953, 1973, that was the period of time in which we see also the creation of the Manchurian Candidate so brilliantly exposed in two movies, one with Frank Sinatra and the other one with Denzel Washington.
And these two movies, of course, you have seen these movies, they represent really That idea that you could brainwash a subject and then trigger them at will against a presidential nominee, for example.
Nowadays, we have Thomas Crookes, who, of course, attempted to kill Donald J. Trump.
We saw also another brainwashed individual more recently trying to kill Trump, also after going to Ukraine and being brainwashed by NATO. So the Manchurian candidate idea is still alive and kicking.
And I explain in my book how, you know, we've been talking about Thomas Crookes, but Thomas Crookes in the last moments of his life was talking with somebody, and Trump the other day at the rally said very clearly, these free-ups, That the FBI should access and we should know all about who he was talking with.
But we probably will never know because the FBI is part of the deep state.
It's part of the problem, like Homeland Security, like NSA, like anybody that is working at the moment under the Biden administration.
But even during the Trump administration, the FBI was really not working for Trump, but was working for themselves.
In the same day at the 10th assassination of Donald Trump, we have the cremation of care that took place at the Bohemian Grove by the Bohemian Club.
That's, in my book, I explain how at the same moment in which Trump was almost killed, the people were meeting there for a ritual, a ritual which has a specific value for them, and a ritual which sees the participation of The usual neocons, the military industrial complex, the husband of Nancy Pelosi.
The enemies of Trump were gathering to watch this show and hope he will be dead.
Now, I know that Trump is not perfect.
I don't think any politician can be perfect because Perfection is not of politics.
It's not of the world of politics.
So a lot of people say, you like Trump, but Trump has done this.
The problem is that here we have to go for the lesser evil in this situation.
I mean, Trump is obviously not only the lesser evil, but at least a maverick that seems to want to steal the good of America and protect the American dream.
In my book, I wanted to explain also how NATO has been developing the cognitive warfare units since 2020.
In Ukraine also, where that guy, Ruth, whatever his name is, this idiot who tried to kill Trump, was completely brainwashed.
And of course, We see it today, even as we speak, with Zelensky meeting Trump, and we see the face of Zelensky, of course, the guy really worried about the consequences of a Trump victory in November, which I hope will be the case.
But I also anticipated in my book that if that victory doesn't happen and the ultimate sigh of wins and Kamala ends up in the White House, well...
That is the result of an ultimate style, because they transformed somebody who was literally nobody, even in the Democratic Party, nobody could stand there, even win the primary, and suddenly now she's like the heroine of the situation, and she goes down to the border when she should have been going down to the border when she was nominated as a border.
I mean, it's pretty ridiculous what we're seeing with this election campaign.
Are the Americans completely brainwashed?
I think that they have an agenda.
I think they have an agenda.
A lot of people seem to think that the election is going to go unscathed with no problems.
Trump is going to be sworn in on the 20th.
And I talked to other people that say this thing is going to be a complete cluster.
You know what? So the bottom line is this.
You have been following the political sphere for a very, very long time.
You know how they play this game probably better than most, okay?
What is Leo Zagami's thought on how he thinks the dust is going to settle come November 5th?
I'm worried. I'm worried because I see there is already a lot of irregularities that are starting to surface with mailing ballots and whatnot.
And I'm worried because this is the first time I'm actually an American and I'm going to be able to vote.
And I hope that my vote will actually be counted because, you know, I'm in California, so you never know if that's going to really happen here as everything is very much rigged for the Democrats.
Having said that, however...
My hope is, of course, that Trump will win, but also I'm not so easily convinced that they will let him win, or even if he wins, that they will let him arrive to January, or...
You see, there is a possibility here that Trump gets selected, but then at the same time they will come...
Against him in different fronts, a little bit like they did with the pandemic.
In this case, they will maybe trigger a 9-11 2.0.
They might start a war even before he gets in office to make his life really difficult.
They will attempt probably to kill him many other times.
So it's not an easy thing for him to arrive to the residency.
But of course, like I said, I always have hope in this process which is unique to the American way of life.
The elections in America have represented also defending a beautiful constitution which is unique.
No other country has this kind of constitution.
The constitutions that we have in Europe are reasonable.
I mean, the one in Italy is completely hilarious.
They kept the laws from Mussolini's time against the journalists, and at the same time the judges are from the communist and left-wing parties, and so they're completely biased against anybody that tries to right things.
And so I myself, as you know, a victim of censorship.
I know that with the victory of Kamala, we will go to the next level of censorship here.
If Kamala wins and she stays in for six months, eight months, a year, it's over.
You understand that, right? America's finished.
Absolutely. Okay?
I mean... If they could figure out a way to do that with, you know, finagling the bagel on the contest.
We want to make sure we choose our words very wisely because I would like to use this video on YouTube because he's a big personality and he's probably going to break the algorithms hopefully this time around.
But I can tell you that there's no way...
That she gets in and stays for an entire six months, eight months, a year.
We go past the eight months, a year mark.
It's over. Communism is going to set in the United States.
There's no question about it. You agree with that statement?
You disagree? Please.
Well, my book actually starts with describing how the communists and actually Ivan Pavlov was the pioneer of conditioning, of mind control.
The Soviet Union was built on the early forms of mind control established by this scientist called Ivan Pavlov, which is very well known in the academic world for his experiments with dogs first.
But after his meeting with Vladimir Lenin, he became the guy Who started to create a nation that was in its entirety meant to conform to one ideology.
And so communism has always been established with the help of mind control.
This happened in the Soviet Union.
It happened in China.
It happens in North Korea.
And actually we can trace all this and go back to the first Manchurian candidate in which we have Laurel Harvey and Frank Sinatra in those initial scenes and all the symbols of communists behind him, the great Mao Zedong, Stalin, and then of course the scientists of the Soviet Union working together with the Chinese ones after they have kidnapped this group of soldiers and brought them in Manchuria.
That's where the name Manchurian Candida comes from.
So communism is prone to mind control people and that's why they want to have control of the entirety of the internet, not only You know, not only Facebook, but also X, not only YouTube, but also Rumble.
They want to have control over the whole system so they can unleash cognitive warfare.
Cognitive warfare is a new kind of mind control, which just started being experimented in the early 2000s in France.
And then it was launched by NATO with a command center in Norfolk, Virginia, in the last four years.
And since the establishment of cognitive warfare, there has been a lot of talk about it.
And the difference with traditional psychological operations is this.
You can use, with cognitive warfare, data centers, which exceed directly from your computer, from your social networks.
You can use AI to target the person.
And so it's very different from, you know, psychological warfare as we knew it before.
It was about convincing a group of people, targeting a group of people, but not necessarily a single person, because that could be done with brainwashing and mind control in a form of coercion, like when they did MKUltra, but it didn't really work out for them, because then, when the MKUltra scandal was unveiled in the middle of the 70s, a lot of people started to criticize, and even within...
Mind control, let's say, establishment, the people, they saw that those experiments with the use of drugs, electroconvulsion, it was, it was, you can't do that to the whole population.
You can, you know, you can't, I mean, they tried, they thought, okay, we're going to put LSD in the water of the San Francisco water system and drug the whole population.
What is the result? Okay, flower power, but...
It didn't really change the...
I mean, it changed probably for the worst.
Today, San Francisco, which was a hotbed of MKUltra in the 20 years of their experiments, is the worst city in the US. It's the city where people shit on the ground in the middle of the city, where there is drugs left, right and center, and where people are abandoning the city simply because it's imbevable.
But that is because for many years they had MKUltra.
It was like...
They were conducting experiments on a massive scale.
But then the 7th Battalion of the Psychological Warfare units that was headed by a certain Commander Balelli, who you see often from FOX nowadays, or at least until not so long ago, commissioned a new kind of mind-control warfare to a guy at the time who was a major, Michael Aquino, who later on became the founder of the Temporal Set.
In that period of time, MKUltra ended.
And people like Aquino were quite critical of MKUltra because they wanted to use more subtle forms of mind control.
Magnetic fields, frequencies, but also psychological warfare, like we said, that could use maybe in the future technologies that they still didn't have back then, but they were developing like the future internet and all the rest.
So in the end...
Michael Aquino put together this essay, The Psychology of Victory, which was republished in November 2003, after the invasion of Iraq.
And he said himself, all my techniques are now being used in Iraq, on the war field, and they are successful.
And Michael Aquino was also trying to bypass the prohibition of psychological liberation on the American people.
He was trying to find more subtle forms To navigate before, you know, so he created the basis for what became cognitive warfare.
In the 80s, Michael Aquino went around Europe, you know, the NATO basis and kind of like discussed his new forms of...
And now we are at a point, I think, of no return because...
We have not only the enemies, or at least the alleged enemies, which is Russia and China, bombarding us, or using, like I said, TikTok, or maybe bombarding us through the internet and various influence, whatever. But we have also our own psychological operation conducted by groups like the 4th Battalion in Fort Bragg, I don't know if you remember,
a couple of years ago, I think it was in 2022 The promotional video to enroll into psychological operation goes into the machine, it was called.
You can find it on YouTube and it was very particular.
I mean, people were shocked by the fact that they were actually Producing a video to get people to enroll into psychological operation.
And this year, on the 1st of May, the day that, as you know, they founded the Illuminati, they also produced Ghost in the Machine number two.
And I have it here on the cover of this.
I have also the Ghost in the Machine.
Because what is a Ghost in the Machine?
Ghost in the Machine, in this case.
The machine is supposed to be the human body.
But then you put this mind control inside the body, it becomes like a ghost in the machine.
We are controlled by that thought, that idea.
If I Push the idea that Trump is evil, and I start promoting it in the universities, I start promoting it within NATO, recruiting centers, even for Ukraine, where that guy, in fact, went down to Kiev in March 2022.
If I say Trump is evil, then those people will believe that Trump is evil.
If I say that, I don't know, the world is flat, maybe they believe the world is flat.
I mean, psychological operations...
Then, with the cognitive warfare, arrive to the next level simply because they're using modern technology.
But modern technology also could be used to control an individual like Thomas Crookes or other Manchurian candidates with the brain, maybe with an implant.
Now, if you remember the more recent Manchurian candidate, the one with Denzel Washington, He goes into Iraq or Kuwait or wherever he goes and then he gets the implant.
The implant is featured.
It's like in the first Manchurian Candidate We don't have the implant because back in the days it wasn't regarded as a subject you could discuss but already back then there were implants and in fact in my book I explain how in 1967 Howard Hunt was probably in charge that day there was the assassination of JFK in Dallas This guy in this book, for the first time, unbills the Sigurdsson mind control and talks about electrodes that could be implanted.
And apparently he blamed the Russians, of course, not the CA, for Learby Oswald's implant.
In reality, from what also RFK Jr.
has said recently, it was the CIA who even...
Because, I mean, the LBOs would have $1,000 to go to Russia.
Nobody had $1,000. It was a lot of money.
You couldn't just go to Russia.
It was like $10,000 today, $1,000.
Go to Russia. He was recruited in Japan, the Harvey Oswald, in the MKUltra in a military base when he was a Marine.
And then when he finishes his defector period, he's given $4,000 from the American Embassy to come and reestablish himself with his Russian wife.
I mean, come on, man. Are we joking here?
Do we have to really believe that the pigs fly?
No. Absolutely. Now, you just mentioned something, not to get off subject, maybe we'll touch on it just for a little bit.
You just mentioned Flat Earth.
You know, I just got back from Las Vegas three days ago, and I was on a Frontier airline.
By the way, I don't... I would not wish it on my worst enemy to fly Frontier.
It's one of the worst fucking airlines ever.
Don't fly Frontier.
But I did talk to the pilots off camera.
The camera wasn't rolling. And they said, of course it's flat.
Two pilots. At the same time...
I was making that an example without going into the detail.
Where are you on that subject?
I'm just curious and then we get you back on track.
Well, I've always been a little bit scared simply because, you know, up until five centuries ago, the Vatican will kill you if you said the earth is not flat.
As I don't like the Vatican, I don't like their theories and so I don't like even the flat earth.
That they were pushing back then.
That brought Galileo Galilei to prison.
So I think that in that way we might not be on the same track with that idea.
However, I mean, it's not...
You see, I'm not an astronomer.
I'm not a specialist of any kind.
So I would not like to talk...
You're not the right guy to ask. No, yeah.
I mean, I like, you know, especially with my books, I always say, I discuss...
My own perception of things, and I discuss what I know.
I don't speculate on things I don't have a direct experience.
Otherwise, this will not be my...
It's a good answer. It's a good answer.
It's a smart answer. No, but I mean...
Otherwise, they will not be called confessions.
They will be called an essay on this and that.
Yes. The concept of my confessions is to have a biographical base, and that's, for example, the fact that my father was involved with MKUltra directly.
And also, I, when I was arrested and locked up in early 2014...
I remember. I remember.
You remember? Well, they brought me in front of a professor.
He said, pleasure, I'm Professor Giuseppe Niccolò.
I work for the Tavistock Institute.
And I was like, bingo!
Because behind me there was my lawyer.
And I said, okay, for my next book I will cite you, I said, because...
You finally confirmed that the Tavistock Institute is present, even in Italy, and he also confirmed basically that there was an office in the back of an office.
They locked you up in a prison, right, in Italy.
I think they were trying to say that you were crazy.
They were going to put you in a mental institution.
No, they actually didn't brought me to a prison.
They brought me directly to this mental institution where I was kept for two weeks.
I remember. And what happened was pretty far up because after he said this to me, every morning, And this was really annoying.
Not only I was subject to injections of stuff that I obviously didn't need because I wasn't out of it.
I was just politically involved with, as you know, a sort of insurrection, though, I mean, the Forconi.
But the problem was that they were playing.
Every morning the doctor would come there and they would play Bella Ciao.
Every morning, just as a brainwashing thing to me, to make me annoyed, to make me angry, you know?
Bella Ciao. And you know what Bella Ciao is?
Maybe you can tell your viewers.
I know. I watched the series on Netflix where they...
Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The papers, whatever the...
It's a left-wing.
Allegedly, they ascribe it to some, you know, partigiani in the Second World War.
But it's a complete lie because the reality didn't exist in the Second World War, Bella Ciao.
It's developed later on that has become in the last few years also outside of Italy a hymn for the left All over.
So Bella Ciao is, of course, for somebody who is completely different, has different values, that is something they will hate.
But apart from that, they, of course, injected me with stuff, which made my kidneys collapse, literally.
And so for the next few years, I was in and out of hospital because of kidney stones and stuff.
So, yes, my ordeal lasted only two weeks, but then my physical ordeal lasted a lot more.
And I was very lucky, Mel, because I had...
A friend called Dr.
Bento, who was an eminent criminologist, psychiatrist, you know, very well known also in political, because he used to be a friend of Bettino Craxi, so very known, who basically, he said, Leo, I will sort you out.
I will sign a paper that you will be off the hook from these people, because they wanted to insert...
Like, do these long-lasting injections that every two weeks, they will release stuff in my body.
And I will be basically a zombie.
You know, I will be like...
So, the guy, I went to his office, and I remember when I came in, he was on the phone, and I went there, and he said, you know, when you're on the phone, you know, he was talking, and I was listening, and he was talking, and then put on the phone and said, Leo, you have to promise me You are finished with politics because I will sign you this thing and you will be able to go to America and later on I went in 2014 as you remember I came Yeah, and then I went back to Italy,
but I came here and I said, you, they don't want you in any way, shape or form in piazza, manifestazione, they don't want you to participate to the political discourse.
If you promise me that, I will let you off the hook and sign this thing and take the responsibility because otherwise they will inject you every two weeks.
I was like, okay, whatever.
Okay. Politically, I didn't want to have any...
And in fact, I respected that.
But then, of course, in 2015, Alex Jones came to Italy.
I then established Italians for Trump.
So it wasn't really an Italian thing, but Italians not getting along with Trump because they're a bunch of leftists.
I was once again under the eye of the storm.
And at that point...
They forcibly did so many things against me to then convince me that in 2019, as you know, I had to leave Italy altogether and I've never been there since May 2019.
Nowadays, I can go back as an American.
Nobody will touch me because I don't have dual citizenship.
I renounced formally in June to my Italian citizenship.
I went to the Italian consulate in LA and I... That's it.
I said, I don't want to have anything to do.
Because when you are still an Italian citizenship, even with dual citizenship, you have to I do.
I do. I don't know if it's got any advantages or disadvantages, but I've never had to use it.
And when I'm in Italy, to be quite honest with you, it's very difficult for me to get political.
You know why? Because they are dumb, really dumbed down big time.
But you know that when you start being in the political spotlight in Italy, then there is no turning back, especially because my grandfather was a senator, himself come from a family, has then a political background.
And because of that, I mean, every time, you know, if I went back to Italy with my Italian passport, they would treat me as an Italian, not as an American.
And that would be a big problem for me.
So nowadays, as an American, like I said, I'm protected by the American Constitution and by the American Embassy that, as you know, in Italy is very powerful.
Because if you have a problem as an American, and I remember there was this guy called Dallas.
He was a painter. He's no longer living now, but he was one of the first scientists of Italy.
So he was also a guy who had a lot of money, but then he retired in Italy as an artist.
One day, the Carabinieri broke into his house.
They literally raided his house because, you know, they thought the guy maybe had a joint or something like that.
You know, I mean, stupid thing.
The day after, we convinced him to call the embassy.
So Dallas, this guy called the embassy.
His name was Dallas. And the carabinieri bowed down and came back there and said, no, we apologize.
We're sorry, very sorry, very, very sorry.
So that is how it works in Italy.
It's a country with no sovereignty.
And if you are American and you go there, you can literally get away with murder.
I mean, in the real sense of the term.
Because that's how much they are obliged to respect America.
And that is a good thing.
I mean, some people say, but you are now in American, in a way, if you are Italian, you are already American.
No, I say the difference is this.
As an American, I'm a colonizer.
As an Italian, you are colonized.
So I prefer to be the colonizer at this point.
But I also, I mean, like I said, Matt, I did it because I want to continue my job with no limitations, no censorship.
And that is really what I felt.
I mean, in the future, I will be able to go back and I will be able to go back only for maybe three months at a time because, you know, as an American, you can go for three months.
I don't care. I mean, that's okay.
I mean, it's a choice I made for my freedom and for the freedom of expression which I represent in my work.
The fact that they can bring you in front of a court in Italy for what you write, and it's not a lawsuit, a civil lawsuit, it's a criminal lawsuit.
So I was risking to be arrested in June of 2019 if I stayed in Italy.
And as you know, I made a decision, and in May, knowing that they will condemn me, and I actually knew it already in advance because that's how corrupt they are, Now I'm really glad I made the right choice for me, for my family. Of course, it's a big decision to make.
I was in the Italian Armed Forces, I was in the Air Force, you probably were in the military too, I don't know.
But I was, so I sacrificed a year of my life for them in the military.
I was an outstanding citizen who participated in the elections of their country.
So I thought, you know, I could still maybe save in some way Italy, but Europe is unsavable.
Europe today, with the present situation, is unsavable.
Giorgio Meloni, people think, Giorgio Meloni, Elon Musk, the new love story and all this BS. That is really showing you the naivety of the people.
Judge Meloni is the one that sustains Joe Biden against Russia, sends the weapons to Ukraine, It's one of the most outspoken in favor of Ukraine against Russia.
So, if you see, there is no compatibility between Italian conservatives and American, which instead, as we saw Trump meeting with Zelensky and keeping him at a distance and actually making him understand, if he goes back into the White House, your salesman charade getting billions from the American people is finished.
Because this guy is a product of the worst kind of this New World Order and the people behind it.
But we shouldn't be surprised about it because the way the world is going is almost like we are seeing, especially when it comes to mind control, like I said Cognitive Warfare, Rumble rather than YouTube.
If Kamala comes in power, she's gonna go after Rumble.
She's gonna go after X. She's gonna go after anything that doesn't suit the narrative.
It's very sad.
Rumble has already been compromised, Leo.
Rumble, I sent them an email about two weeks ago, two and a half weeks ago, and I said...
What's going on with my channel?
It's not growing. And I'm putting out incredible content.
I mean, I used to get more views when I had like 7,000, 8,000 followers.
And now that I have almost 30,000 followers, I'm getting 5,000, 6,000 views.
That's nothing. And so they answered me back immediately.
I answered back and I said basically, is there a possibility?
Is there a chance? I understand that Block Rock purchased a big amount of shares in Rumble.
Is there a possibility that you've been infiltrated and you have some leftist people there controlling the narrative?
Because we are, you know, we are, man, no answer until now.
It's been more than two and a half weeks.
Zero answer. Crickets.
You know what I mean? So we are back to square one.
I mean, look, I said it years ago.
Also, you know, when it comes to Elon Musk, how trustworthy is an individual who is pushing transhumanism?
I'm at the moment, I have a blue checkmarker on my latest account.
It's not, the old account is still frozen in time since 2020 when there was the old Twitter and it's still there, Leo Zagami.
Now I made a new one, Leo Lion Zagami, which is actually a blue checkmark.
So I'm trying with X and I must say that X doesn't censor.
Doesn't censor. They do.
They do. Maybe they do.
Not as much as when it was Twitter, but they do.
Not as much as Twitter.
But what alternatives do we have?
There isn't. There's zero.
The internet is basically territory of the enemy.
It is exactly.
It is a Marxist.
These are all Marxist-run organizations.
No question about it. It's like any facade of the...
Every part of the internet is part of the military and that's a complex because they are the ones who created the internet in the first place.
I'm going to create my own platform.
I got a huge following. I'm going to make it even bigger.
I'm running a few contests here.
Very shortly, we're going to make an announcement to the world.
I'm going to kick them in the balls.
When they wake up and their algorithms are broken, they realize that they mess with the kid from Brooklyn.
And you don't mess with the kid from Brooklyn because we run under a different auspices.
We have our own set of rules.
For example, in the last few days, my friend who is also Italo-American, Pete Santilli, has made a discovery, and I was on his show the other day, that basically they are running a deep state, they are using the forums in the deep web and so on, which people who basically access to pedopornographic material, pedophilia, As a cover-up.
So the moment in which you go in those platforms to investigate them and you find out that the FBI or Homeland Security or anybody is using them, you're automatically targeted because, of course, if you access pedocornographic material on your computer, the FBI is at your door.
So this is a way of shielding themselves also.
So you have to be very careful.
The internet is, even if you create your own platform, you might have problems.
I, for example, Alex Jones is going to probably go down in November and that seems to be what's going to happen.
And no matter how much his friends and supporters shout, we don't want that, that's where he's heading.
Because, of course, his presence, his platform is deemed maybe dangerous.
So, in some ways, or at least it was dangerous.
So, nowadays, when you create also your own platform, you have to be careful, and not only when you are on other...
You have to be hosted in the right place, you have to be camouflaged properly, you have to...
You have to march to a beat of a different drummer.
You can't go by the normal circumstances, the normal rules.
There's other rules for people like me.
And unfortunately, not that I'm smarter than Alex Jones, because I'm not.
But Alex Jones, he maybe does, maybe not advise properly in this capacity.
But I know for a fact that there are people that are able to have their own platforms and speak freely, which I will invite you when that platform is available and live.
And you can come and see him speak with no holds barred, no holding back at all.
And we'll see where the chips land.
You know, I'm a fighter. I'm not going to give up to the New World Order.
I'm not going to give up to the, you know, Manchurian candidates.
We're going to keep fighting until someone's going to win, someone's going to lose.
When it comes down to the latest attempt to kill Donald J. Trump, just like the one with Thomas Crookes, these guys are called lone gunmen, but they're obviously not lone gunmen.
How easy is to get an AK-47 when you arrive in Florida if you don't have the right documentation?
The serial number scrapped off.
I mean, you have to have some context in the underworld to accede to that.
I mean, you are in Florida. How easy it is to obtain an AK-47 in the underworld?
I could go get one right down the street, three miles from my house, right now.
Yeah, but you have to have the context to get there.
Yeah, I can get it right now.
Okay, but you are living in Florida.
We got guns.
Everybody here has 29 guns.
But for somebody coming from out of state, like that guy, and obviously then placing himself in front of Trump's golf course at a certain time, knowing Trump's movement, it seems like there is a mold even within the Secret Service, to tell you the truth.
Oh yeah, there's no question. Zero question about it.
I mean, it seems pretty obvious.
Now, in my latest book, I explain how this, you know, how it's possible to set the mindset of people and stuff.
But also, I talk about the long history of psychological warfare, starting from Sun Tzu, so starting from the art of war, going through Genghis Khan on Napoleon, Who seems to be an unlikely character for psychological warfare, but in reality use these techniques because it's all about creating fear in the heart of the enemy.
And at times, if the enemy is us, then they create fear in the form of a terrorist attack, a false flag, like 9-11.
And that is really, I think, the other possibility.
Trump wins and they trigger a 9-11.
We are expecting that there'll be some false flags.
There's no question that they're going to do something because they're desperate.
And when the enemy is as desperate as they are right now, because this is all about control.
This is about the money. I know this is not your wheelhouse.
No, no, no. This is about the global reset.
This is about banks going out of business.
Because with the cryptocurrency, we become our own banks.
They don't want that. That's why they put a lawsuit against Ripple and XRP. That's why they dragged that thing out forever.
They're still dragging it out, etc., because they want to figure out a way how to get on the blockchain.
But it's over. The party's finished.
They know that. I mean, definitely there is now China, which the last few days has tried with a stimulus to change the markets and inject billions of dollars.
There is China that is working on their own digital currency and also China is, of course, very much controlling with the credit score system of their own people and everything.
But regarding the economy of it all, I am not really too sure about trusting people like Elon Musk 100%.
He sends mixed signals, and I think that's part of the art of war.
I believe that there's part of keeping the enemy off balance.
Like, you are basically a little bit confused.
You're not the only one, and I'm sure there's a lot of people that look at it and say, this guy is sending mixed signals one day.
I always said he's sending mixed signals, but the thing is this.
You see, we're sending mixed signals.
Okay, let's focus on that.
The last time, I mean, I'm no longer on Infowars since I've been pretty critical openly also, not of Elon Musk per se.
I just said, he's sending me signals.
He's not 100% trustworthy.
If you are involved in transhumanism, if you are promoting BCI, which is a brain-computer interface, which will lead to the ultimate form of mind control, can I really trust you?
And then suddenly we have just recently this melt happened with David Icke on Alex Jones.
It was a little bit weird because at one point this guy who sounded exactly like Elon Musk called him.
David got kind of upset about it.
He said, I'm 73, I can't be brought up for a ride by Elon Musk who presents to be somebody else.
So he was pretty open about it.
But the thing is that ultimately, when you are like Alex Jones, say, okay, I want to marry the cause of Elon Musk because Elon Musk gives me money.
And being with him is favorable.
Is that something we can trust in the end?
Because, I mean, if I have billions like Elon Musk, I can really buy all sides just with money.
Yeah, $300 billion is what it's worth now.
They say he's worth $300 billion.
Yeah. So it is.
A little bit...
It's weird that certain things happen.
And so... I myself, I mean, in my books I explained, especially in volume 6.66, volume 7, volume 9, how transhumanism and Elon Musk himself might be involved in something which is inherently satanic in the end, because when I insert the brain-computer interface in your mind, you are, you know, We have our brain shielded by the devil, by Satan.
Only God can know what we think.
But the moment in which we insert something external, that's no longer the case.
Then, you know, then today, already, with the advanced algorithms, they can see what you're thinking just by scrutinizing your face.
That's what also social networks like Facebook do already.
They watch you, they see how you, you know.
And so, This is another level of control.
When people say MK-Ultra, they're talking about technology from the past.
They're talking about something that was formally ended in 1973, started in 1953.
But at that time, it was focused mainly on hypnosis, electroconversion, drugs, LSD in particular, but also other drugs, in order to control the individual.
But we know that today with the internet, with social media, with everything else, you don't really need the drugs.
You just, you know, you get...
Facebook in itself is a drug for people.
Absolutely. 100,000%.
Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, they're all drugs.
They got everybody. You walk down the street today and you see 20 people.
I bet you dollars to donuts, all 20 of them are on their devices.
Yeah. And they don't see the reality of life in front of them.
Sometimes I'm sitting in bed with my wife and we're on the fucking phone, man.
It's ridiculous. She's on her phone.
I'm on my phone. I'm like, give me the phone.
Give me the phone. Let's go. Put them away.
In my home, I don't use the phone.
I basically don't have any apps on my phone.
I use it like an old phone, basically.
I just go on Facebook or social experts when I'm on my computer.
So it gives me that liberty to say, okay, I shut the computer, I shut with all that.
You know, I'm like separating, detaching.
I invite my wife to do the same at times.
Definitely not in bed.
I just grabbed the phone out of her hand.
I grabbed my phone. I put it away.
It's ridiculous. Two o'clock in the morning.
We're on the phone. I mean, we're busy.
I understand we're busy, but still.
But that is a form of addiction which also is led by a form of mind control.
And so the tragic consequences of it is that we are losing grasp with reality and that maybe something really important is happening in front of us and we are watching it.
So they have already, let's say, managed to To control us through these gadgets, but they are not yet inserted in our body.
Imagine if tomorrow morning I say the iPhone 23 is only available for those who are implanted at the local store and you can then be accessing our whole world with augmented glasses.
Yeah, that's crazy. Well, that's where they want to take us.
Will they be successful?
I don't think so.
I truly don't. I tend to disagree with you because I think half of the population, unfortunately, has been brainwashed to believe in their bullshit.
Well, they might win the battle with half of the stupid people, but people like me and you, we're not going to go into the freaking metaverse and hang out and test drive a Lamborghini or whatever, you know what I mean, in the metaverse, and then go buy it.
You know what I mean? That's crazy. I completely agree.
But you understand that the level now of brainwashing is like when brainwashing and mind control was exposed in the middle of the 70s with the Church Committee, the Rockefeller Commission, all that, and they investigated and exposed it to the public.
They did it because they were already moving towards something else.
Yes. The internet was launched, what, in 1992, officially?
I mean, in the early 90s.
The year 89 was very primitive.
I mean, you had CompuServe and you had AOL. Yeah, you had CompuServe.
But you say they already knew, though, the potential and what they were doing ahead of the game.
Sure. And so, when MKUltra was exposed, those coercive methods were actually criticized by mind controller Michael Aquino.
Michael Aquino said, those methods are primitive.
We don't need to do that, the people.
We don't need to put them under electroconvulsion, drugs and things.
We need something more subtle, but much more pervasive, much more insidious.
And you see certain frequencies also.
We are, like Michael Aquino said, homo electromagneticus, meaning that we produce a magnetic field around us.
But we can also be influenced by external magnetic fields.
We saw like, for example, with the Havana syndrome, the sudden headaches at the embassy in Cuba or other places around the world.
Then they kind of covered it up saying, ah, no, it's not really true.
But a lot of people, victims, talked about it, you know, the four victims of maybe what?
Microwave weapons, weapons that were Unimaginable some time ago.
So I think that it's important for the people to understand that what NATO is saying is true.
They're saying that the new battlefield is our mind.
That they want to hack our mind.
During the period of the pandemic, one of the main laboratories for that was Canada.
Because Canada has a long tradition that started at the time of Dr.
Cameron when he was experimenting at the Allen Memorial Institute and he got a grant initiated by Rockefeller, but then later on he made friends with the head of the CIA, the wife who was actually his patient, and gave him a lot of money.
You know, because they couldn't conduct certain experiments in America, because they were always afraid of lawsuits, things, so plausible denability was always...
But the worst experiments were done under Subproject 68 in Canada, and they were like...
It's called psychic driving, induced comas, induced traumas, and all these kind of things that basically...
And then when they came out, there were a lot of people who wanted money, who started, you know, actions, class actions for...
They never really managed much in Canada.
But the interesting thing is that then, during the pandemic, The Canadian Army announced at one point an investigation because they themselves issued a massive sigh of during the pandemic.
And the Canadians were completely brainwashed left, right and center.
And at one point, the Canadian Army said, no, this is...
I mean, because they didn't even answer to any politicians, anything.
It was an order that came from above.
But above where? It was, of course, NATO. It was, of course, the NATO establishment and the command centers that were external to Canada that were saying, they used this country in a way that is shocking.
I mean, they tried to rebel, you remember, with the truck drivers and all that.
And they were crushed, like...
Bank accounts close.
Everything... Because they are still in charge to some extent.
They are about to lose all of their power.
Part of them losing their power is the cryptocurrency, digital assets.
We become our own banks.
They don't like that. That's why the lawsuit...
It's a disaster.
We understand that. It's like having a baby, Leo.
When you have a baby, when it comes out of the mother's womb, it's ugly.
It's got... Green pus and yellow stuff on it.
It's bleeding. It's disgusting looking.
Until you wash it off and then you have a beautiful baby.
We're going through having the baby process.
And we're going to a new world.
I believe we're going to survive just fine.
Communism is not going to set in the United States.
Because the politicians have to understand one thing.
And we're going to close it out with this.
If a civil war breaks out in America, it's not going to be me against Leo Zagami because Leo Zagami has a different political view.
I couldn't give a shit what Leo Zagami's point of view is if he's leftist or if he's a flaming liberal.
Whatever the case may be, it don't matter to me.
I'm going after the head of the beast.
The head of the beast. The head of the beast is who?
The government. The politicians.
Yeah, and I think that we understand, though, that unfortunately both sides, once they get to Washington, D.C., they are already bought by the lobbyists, and very few politicians survive that.
Right. And so we can really...
If it came down to a civil war, if it came down to a civil war in the United States now, today, it would be a very different kind of civil war.
It's not going to be American against American.
It's going to be America against you, the politicians.
And when you've got 9 million fucking guns pointing at you, you don't stand a chance because even the armed forces are not going to go against the people.
No, Mel, but enemies, foreign and domestic.
These domestic enemies, and I explained this in volume 11 of my confessions, like Barack Hussein Obama, who conducted that massive psyop on Netflix called Leave the World Behind.
That is a message.
It's almost a warning.
Are we going to elect Trump?
Okay. We, the deep state, are going to side with Iran, with Russia, with China, and we're going to, then at that point, the civil war is not only a civil war, it is also an intervention from countries that, as you know, as soon as they sense the weakness of America, they will intervene in our affairs.
And bring us down.
Otherwise, you have also the other option, which is no better.
The intervention of the United Nations as a foreign force that comes into our country.
So, I mean, we are definitely...
I mean, here we have more capabilities and we have a great constitution that gives us the opportunity of the First and Second Amendment to have guns, to bear guns.
It's a great thing because you can definitely, you know, defend yourself.
And in Europe, they can. Europe is just like communist China.
In 1949, communist China took away all their guns when Mao Zedong arrived in power.
So this makes you understand, the people who have no guns, they are defenseless.
In Italy, for example, just to make an example, because of course you are a fellow Italian native, it's a country in which the guns are only of the mafia and the police.
And what is the result?
It's a nation in the hands of a bunch of crooks.
There is, you know, they can come into your house.
You can't even shoot them because they have laws that prohibit you to shoot a guy even if he's raping your daughter or your wife.
I mean, it's incredible.
So we need to just celebrate and defend this beautiful constitution.
Correct. And we have to pray that at least in November we can maybe, maybe have a chance.
In the meantime, I thank you for guesting me today.
I invite people, of course, to purchase my book, which, by the way, talks also about how the mind controls Their own people.
Because Freemasons, Illuminati, these people are mind control after their initiations.
They are very loyal.
When you put the skull and bones members in a coffin for the whole night to confess their inner secrets, like Kerry or Bush have done, that is mind control.
Absolutely. And have gay sex even though they're not gay.
Whatever. Anything that is done is done to create Yeah, that ultimate form of control.
When you call a Masonic Grand Lodge an obedience, it's because they obey.
They obey their grandmasters, they obey their worship of masters, and they can't go out of line because it's a pyramid of power.
That is a form of mind control.
In which we are not all equal.
So in my book, I also wanted to explain how to break loose from that conditioning and at the same time explain how that conditioning happens when they initiate you, they blindfold you and they make you go through a lodge.
Maybe that is a form of mind control.
So thank you so much, Mel.
No worries. So the book, you can get it at leozagami.com, correct?
That's where you can find the book?
Absolutely. You can find the latest articles also based on this book, the link to the book.
You can also find it, of course, on Amazon.
Volume 11 is a little bit like the Twin Towers.
Right. The Twin Towers falling down, that was the first massive sign of the military industrial complex.
Just like the pandemic is the massive sign of the big pharma.
And you said yourself, the banking system needs to be defeated, but...
Then you have to defeat the military and that's a complex in the big pharma because the money in the banks is them.
We're going to defeat it all, Leo.
I didn't get on this battlefield to lose the war.
I'm a very, how do you say, I'm a general with no fear, zero fear.
I can tell you that maybe, who knows, maybe we will see Leo Zagami down at the Quantum Summit, 1776.com.
Hopefully it will be the final summit.
I need another thing on my plate like I need a fucking hole in the head.
Believe me, I got a lot of things going on.
But we are going to do probably, this is most likely going to be the last Quantum Summit.
After this, there will be no more Quantum Summits.
It's going to be a summit. It's going to be a summit if we are still in the war.
If it's no longer the war, it's no longer here, it's going to be a quantum celebration.
So either way, it's going to get packed because if it's a summit, people are still going to want to fight and they'll be at the summit and they're going to show the support for making sure that we win the republic back.
And if we won, then it's going to be an incredible celebration with gala dinners and, you know, karaoke and dancing.
And he's going to be, you know, I'm sure he loves to dress up.
He always looks like he's ready to go to the gala.
So we're going to have some fun, that's for sure.
God bless you. Any closing statements, Leo, that you got the floor.
Yeah, I mean, we have to really pray for these elections in November because they are the most important ones in the history of the United States.
Even for those people who dislike Trump for any reason, it's most important to understand that it will be a consequential election.
So if you don't participate in this election, just by stating...
You know, these two candidates, they don't convince me because in the end nobody wins.
It's always the system winning.
No, well, I personally think that at least with Trump we have a possibility to maybe cause certain things.
I'm not saying that he will end up the New World Order because unfortunately the New World Order is kind of progressing towards 2030 at a fast pace.
In which we will own nothing and be happy, unfortunately, as Klaus Schwab says.
I hope not, but that's the case.
But in the end, with, of course, your work and also my work as a writer, The various books that I've published, I'm trying to bring awareness and maybe lay the foundations for a world in which we are all more aware of these problems.
And maybe we can find the solutions together.
I mean, we don't always, though, need to agree in everything.
We just demonstrated in the show, you know, you can believe the Earth is flat, you can believe the Earth is round, you can believe...
You know, you can even...
I mean, even to those people who vote Democrat, They're still human beings, but they have to understand that their party at the moment has values that are anti-human.
So if you are voting for something that is anti-human, you are basically disliking the actual human experience.
If you want to merge with the machine, fine.
At that point, it's your problem, you know?
I mean, if you are happy in that way, you want to lose your soul, Please move forward.
But I'm not in the business of joining Jesuit stooges like the ones we have at the White House at the moment.
And at the same time, I know, though, that this is not going to be a very easy ride.
The fact that we need to liberate the White House from these people is not going to be easy.
So I hope that we don't come to the realization that Even our vote this time has been sabotaged.
Let's hope that that's not the case.
That's not the case.
So we pray for that.
And thank you so much.
And hopefully we will talk soon.
Maybe if he comes to the Quantum Summit, he'll bring the books and he'll autograph them for you.
You can take a picture with him.
That's going to be March 8th and March 9th, which equals 17.
By the way, we signed the contract on the 17th at 3.17pm.
It's a done deal. Amber's putting the final touches on the website.
QuantumSummit1776.com website should be launched.
No later than early next week.
Worst case scenario. All right, guys, we'll catch you on the next one.
Do your job. Get this out there to everybody.
Make sure you get his book. Thank you, guys.
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