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Sept. 12, 2024 - The Leo Zagami Show

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WITCHES, MAGIC RITUAL AND MIND CONTROL

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	Today's broadcast is gonna be an amazing show We had a personal friend of mine and a sort of mentor Leo lion is agami Leo lines agami is a Controversial figure.
	We'll be diving into that.
	He'll be joining us in about eight minutes here.
	He's controversial because he's a former member of a secret society known as the Illuminati.
	And he's a 33rd degree Freemason.
	Verified.
	Verified 33rd degree Freemason.
	So it's not like, you know, we're kind of giving you some hogwash here.
	We try to bring you the most genuine individuals.
	And I gotta tell you, He introduced me to a person who I was ten-pals with for many years, named Russell Pine.
	He was also known as Jordan Maxwell.
	That is Manly P. Hall's protege, if you've ever heard of the book, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, and some of the most impressive occult secret society books that have ever been written have been written by the guy named Manly P. Hall.
	Other people have studied under, you know, Jordan Maxwell, Johnny Enoch.
	And there's other, you know, he's introduced me to a lot of cool people.
	Leon Zagami also was a big techno DJ or he calls it disco.
	He's like disco, you know, but he hooked me up with a record and it was pretty good.
	I listen to it every once in a while.
	I put it on in the background when I'm cleaning, you know, and I guess he's got more vinyl coming out.
	He's really excited about that.
	But he's here today to talk about a book that's coming out, a book that actually is out already.
	And in fact, his book is entitled Confessions of the Illuminati, Part 11, Volume 11, The Past, Present, Future of Mind Control from Sun Tzu to MKUltra, Freemasonry, and other things.
	But right now, this book, Is number one on the charts of Amazon.
	That's right.
	Number one.
	You can't make this stuff up.
	It's a phenomenal book.
	Make sure that you guys, if you want to support Leo, you guys go check this out.
	Maybe you want to hear what he's about before you guys make that purchase.
	But I'll go ahead and throw this on the screen for you guys.
	So you guys can see what we're talking about here.
	Here it is, we'll put it up here real quick for everyone, adding it to the stage.
	But Confessions of an Illuminati book, and if you look here, it is number one, a new release in popular experimental psychology.
	And one of the first people I interviewed on the idea of the Illuminati, but linked to the idea of Illuminati, is Mind Control, Trauma Bonds, What I call epigenetic memory transfers and generational abuse was a guy named Fritz Springmeier, who, by the way, is controversial because he borrowed a lot of his work from Jordan Maxwell.
	And it just so happens Leo came to mind because I posted a video, I post it every year or so whenever I miss Leo, of me and him going to the Barcode Baby Art Museum.
	I call it the Barcode Baby because there's a lot of Barcode Baby's art and they're like crawling on the walls and they had Monarch butterflies, like we're going to give you some satanic imagery, some child trafficking imagery.
	And we're just going to place it right in front of our art museum.
	There's a Brahmi, a Mariana Abramovich art sitting in it in Palm Springs, California.
	And Leo's like, he brings me to it and he's like, huh?
	What do you notice about this?" And I'm like, well, there's a whole bunch of creepy naked babies, but they don't have anything on their face except for barcodes, you know?
	It was really weird to me.
	It's very interesting.
	And we talked about that.
	Before we bring him on, the reason why I kind of thought about him in particular, was an article that I saw that came up from Yale.
	And a lot of times programming and these ideologies happen through propaganda, through movies, Hollywood.
	Let's not forget that the magic wand is made from the holly tree, the holly bush.
	That's why they call it Hollywood.
	You know, so therefore it's all about the conductor and controlling his symphony or controlling your mind, per se.
	That's how Hollywood is used.
	And it all kind of comes together.
	And what I saw here was that Yale, right?
	Yale University did something really bizarre and peculiar.
	And I was like, what in the hell is this trash?
	And here it is.
	We'll put it on the screen for you.
	Check this out.
	Tell me, Don, tell me if your kid's going to school and you're like, hell yeah, this is what I want my kid to go through.
	Yale divinity students forced to read from Witch's Spell of Orientation.
	What is this?
	All of a sudden we're going to Harry Potter's magic school?
	Where are they coming up with this stuff?
	And what is it?
	So I kind of had to dive down into it.
	In Yale's Divinity School, a course students to read from a spell written by a witch as part of its before the fall orientation, 3-day orientation between August 21st and 23rd.
	So a series of talks and activities preparing incoming students for the year ahead, interspersed with small group discussions.
	One of these small group periods was the first activity of orientation.
	Participating as an incoming student in one of these circles, I saw how the discussion opened in a set of restorative circle rules.
	The rules boiled down to warning to be open-minded, all viewpoints were expected to be heard, and you only have to take what you want from the circle and participate as wanted, at least nominally.
	But, Overall, they went ahead and there was an interesting, Brown herself describes to witchcraft and informs her public work.
	Her website describes her as someone who grows healing ideas in public through her writing, which includes short and long form fiction, nonfiction, spells, terror, and her music, which includes songwriting, singing, and immersing in musical rituals.
	But the interesting thing is, is what they're doing here by having people read spells, It's kind of weird to think about, because is it a type of programming?
	I started to think about programming anything from like, let's say, what's the first thing we learned to do in high school?
	What's the first thing we did every day in high school?
	Wasn't it the Pledge of Allegiance?
	You know, we memorized these things.
	And I'm not saying memorization is bad.
	Some people out there are like, memorizing things is evil and bad.
	No, it's not bad.
	But, Why, why, why spellcraft?
	Why have a lady write a spell and have New Orientation students recite the spell, Don?
	I think it's just a little interesting.
	Yeah, it certainly is interesting.
	I found it interesting when I read the article after you sent it to me earlier.
	It's one of those things where I think there's a lot of information or a lot of preconceived notions about a lot of things that people tend to have their own ideas about.
	So, first of all, the first thing I did was that I looked up what the Radical Gratitude spell actually was, rather than just, you know, reading the article.
	And thankfully, the article actually links to, word for word, what the incantation is.
	And, you know, if you read through it, it's a very simple, looks to be about 20 lines or so of just basically a positive affirmation of, you know, you are good enough, you know, it's good that you're alive, you know, love yourself, you know, all that sort of good stuff.
	And so, you know, so this idea that they're, you know, performing the spell and conjuring demons and, you know, that sort of thing is not what's happening here.
	And I've seen some conservative media attempt to frame it that way, when if you actually read the lines of it, you know, so the very first line is, you are a miracle walking.
	I greet you with wonder in a world which seeks to own your joy and your imagination.
	You have chosen to be free.
	Every day as a practice, I can never know the struggles you went through to get here, but I know you have swum upstream, and at times, it has been lonely.
	I want you to know I honor the choices you made in solitude, and I honor the work you have done to belong.
	I honor your commitment to which is larger than yourself and your journey to love the particular container of life that is you.
	You are enough.
	Your work is enough.
	You are needed.
	Your work is sacred.
	You are here and I am grateful.
	Overall, so if you categorize that as like a positive affirmation rather than a spell, I don't think anybody would have ever found anything wrong with it.
	Controversial, right?
	Other than that, she uses the term comrade.
	Comrade!
	Which, by the way, is normally what you call somebody who's a communist.
	Comrade!
	Come on, comrade!
	Right.
	Maybe somebody's name is Comrade.
	But yeah, it's interesting.
	Nonetheless, you know, I was diving in and so I was getting sentimental and I sent an email to invite Leo on sometime this week.
	And he's like, how about today?
	And I'm like, what a great day to have Leo on.
	Leo is a DJ.
	He's written great books.
	He's a 33rd degree confirmed Freemason.
	He works within the Secret Societies.
	He's somebody who's heavily influential.
	He's hosted shows on the Alex Jones Infowars Network and the Alex Jones Show.
	And he has a new book out, like I said, right now on the top of Amazon.
	Welcome to the broadcast, none other than Leo Lionzagami.
	Welcome, sir.
	How are you doing today?
	And thank you for taking the time to come on and tell us about this amazing book you got, Confessions of the Illuminati, Volume 11.
	And you're pumping these things on each one.
	It's like gripping.
	Like if you guys don't know, you guys need to go to amazon.com, check out Confessions of the Illuminati series.
	I've been blessed enough to own, I think I owned the first six or seven volumes.
	I gotta catch up.
	I'm a bad friend, Leo.
	I don't have all the books right now.
	But for the first time ever, Leo Zegami unveils the true untold story of brainwashing, psychological operations, and mind control in connection with the Illuminati, and what the World Economic Forum was just talking about today with climate change, the New World Order.
	They like to use those terms, but they say there is no such thing as a New World Order, but they use those terms all the time, don't they, Leo?
	Yes, thank you for having me on.
	First of all, it's always great to be with you on the show here, Christian.
	And, of course, your friend, which I don't know.
	Don Vai Jr.
	Don, Don, Don.
	Well, today is a very important day because 24 hours from now we are celebrating another anniversary of the biggest PSYOP before the pandemic.
	I'm talking about 9-11.
	Psychological operations.
	inflicted on Americans were actually legal until 2012, until the Smith-Mount Reformation Act.
	which during the Obama era changed things around.
	We are now in a constant mind war situation in which also we have the use of magic.
	Here, for example, a book by Michael M. Hughes, I mentioned in the past in my confessions, which is Rituals and Spells for the Resistance Against Donald J. Trump.
	These people were the ones that during Trump's presidency Weekly rituals to undermine, they hoped in the end, probably they even managed to undermine Trump's presidency with their constant spell casting.
	Now, when it comes down to what you mentioned in Yale University, the author of this spell is a woman that describes herself as a mixed-race, black, queer, American writer, community organizer and what not.
	But she is actually on the payroll of George Soros together with an organization which is called the Emergent Strategy Ideation Institute which is an institute that receives funds from Soros and of course tries in some way to infiltrate and they say facilitate this new strategy which of course is all very woke
	And it's all very leftist.
	So, aside from the eventual spell and the validity of it, I think it's quite indicative, though, that in a place like the Divinity College now they are casting spells.
	I mean, it's outrageous that these people can do these kind of things.
	Now, magic, of course, some people will say, well, That's a little bit of bigotry to think that all magic is evil.
	But I think that my position is quite clear.
	I mean, I've been in the past involved with people who practice magic.
	I practice myself.
	Ultimately the result that you can get is always better when you get it through God, not through the trickery of maybe working with some intermediate elementals or demons or whatever you want to call them, genies and so on.
	So I think that This whole thing is part of this emergent culture that wants to normalize witchcraft.
	I mean, if they want to do that, that's okay for them.
	It's about these new generations, you see, who are being brainwashed left, right and center.
	I mean, when you're forced into reading a witch spell, even if it's not a demonic one, even if it's not from an ancient grimoire that is about to evoke and conjure the demons of hell, we are still talking about something that is distant from
	a traditional mindset, which, of course, I mean, I'm not saying that everybody has to be like me, you or other conductor here who is on the show.
	I mean, people are free to make the decisions.
	However, the magician acts in many ways as a mind controller.
	And so, this is a way of influencing the students.
	Influencing with this radical gratitude spell.
	And, of course, she talks about this magician, which is this Adrienne Mary Brown.
	That apparently, by the way, seems to have been taken her inspiration from Egypt.
	A little bit like Alistair Crowley did in 1904.
	When he delivered the Book of the Law.
	She went there and if you remember, four years ago in Egypt there was a sudden parade of a variety of mummies and ancient artifacts that were carried from one museum into another location.
	And she seemed to have had some kind of divine revelation while all that was happening.
	But I mean, it could seem just like a superficial thing that one can disregard as just quackery.
	But if you read the Volume 10 of my confession, so you go back one book and we discussed in Volume 10, I discussed the importance of Cairo in all the Middle East, And also the infamous Cairo Lodge, which in some ways has inspired many, many things, including the Salafi jihadists and many others.
	I mean, we know, for example, that a guy like Jamal al-Din al-Afghan was not only the founder of modern Islam, but he also was very close to Madame Blavatsky, was very close to esoteric circles.
	Theosophy!
	Theosophy, right?
	Yes, theosophy was definitely the place, the ground zero of modern Satanists, because from theosophy then we have, of course, Alistair Crowley, and later on we will have other people, including Michael Aquino, which I mentioned profusely in volume 11 of my Confessions, which I mentioned profusely in volume 11 of my Confessions, because as you know, aside from being somebody who, of course, was involved with the Church of Satan, then with his own Temple of Seth, he was also regarded as a specialist of psychological warfare,
	he was also regarded as a specialist of psychological warfare, and that is really one of the main subjects of my books, and I was in contact with him for rather a long time, so I had already talked about my relationship with the Queen in volume 2 of my Confessions, but time, so I had already talked about my relationship with the Queen in Volume 2 of my Confession, but this time I specify, I make some specific notes about our personal relationship and also about his own work within the frame I make some specific notes about our personal relationship and also about his
	He coined this new term called Mind War.
	So he was looking at transforming something that had scandalized Americans.
	Because MKUltra went on for 20 years, but after it was exposed publicly in the middle of the 70s, it became something That really brought a sense of shame to anybody who was involved with this kind of experiments who mixed the use of drugs, hypnosis, trauma-based techniques of various kinds.
	There were various sub-projects.
	We know, of course, also the involvement abroad, in particular the experiments that went on in Canada.
	But then we have to also remind where all this came from in the first place, which was England.
	The Tavistock Clinic, then later on called the Tavistock Institute, and people like Adolf Huxley, who then moved here to the United States to literally open the gates of hell rather than The doors of perception, as some people think.
	So I've tried to really explain how there is a lot of similarities between also, for example, the mindset of a magician in the occult.
	Occult means something hidden and the techniques of mind control are hidden.
	But when we go and see the origins of hypnosis, we see that there is actually an occult origin because we talk about Franz Anton Mesmer who coins the word mesmerism.
	We talk about, of course, animal magnetism.
	His great antagonist, Count Cagliostra, another important member of the Order of the Illuminati.
	So all this really materialize the basis of what will become then later on in use in M.K. Utherberg.
	We have also Ivan Pavlov and the conditioning that happened in the early stages of the Soviet Union.
	Well, it's no secret our government did most and got most of its research with MKUltra before it started from satanic occults and trauma-based mind control, what I call epigenetic memory transfer.
	What epigenetic means is like, for example, the monarch butterfly, which is used a lot in trafficking, right?
	They tattoo the children that they're trafficking or sexually abusing or the monarch sexual slave program.
	They actually tattoo them with monarchs.
	Well, the monarch, when it leaves Mexico and it goes to Canada, the actual butterfly that left Mexico doesn't survive.
	It passes its memories down genetically to the other butterflies that it gives birth to.
	And then eventually, several generations later, it makes it to Canada.
	So what they call that is epigenetic memory.
	So if you abuse, let's say, a female when she's a child and she grows up to have a child of her own, that child is very susceptible to trauma-based mind control.
	And if you look up NK Ultra Monarch Program, that's the sex slave aspect of the program.
	You see, because I based my book on evidence that has surfaced, Concrete evidence and personal experience, I focus on those sub-projects like Project 68, for example, which is the one that took place in Canada.
	However, when it comes to Project Monarch, it's always been a bit of a urban legend because no documents have ever been found that kind of confirmed the existence of this sub-project.
	In any case, there were over 160 sub-projects, so we are talking about One of the many.
	And, like I said, Subproject 68 that took place in Canada with Dr Cameron was really the most infamous trauma-based series of experiments that took place in Canada.
	And it was really a scandal of infinite proportions when this whole thing came out and they tried with class actions to get some money for the victims.
	They only partially managed up until the last class action, which failed because, of course, Canada had protected the United States with retroactive laws and all kinds of things so they could cover up that.
	I mean, it's a scandal, but Canada is prone to scandals because it's also prone to experiments that maybe will not take place here in the U.S.
	where we had, from 1948 until 2012, at least openly a law that protected us from any form of mind control and manipulation.
	Though, of course, we also know that during those 20 years of MTU, we had also Operation Midnight Climax and other operations that were disregarding this respect for mind controlling your own citizens.
	Now, the problem here comes in 2012, but when under the Obama administration, and this is typical of Barack Hussein Obama, because Barack Hussein Obama is himself a guy who wanted to hide the reality of psychological operations because Barack Hussein Obama is himself a guy who wanted to hide the reality of psychological operations already by renaming them Miso, which seems like a Japanese super, other than,
	Then, on top of that...
	Obama was able to circumnavigate this blockage around inflicting psychological operations on Americans because he used the excuse of maybe ISIS or Al-Qaeda doing this kind of psyops on our minorities here in the US, when we all know that both ISIS and Al-Qaeda are creations of the deep state.
	I mean, even Trump said it.
	We can clearly state that Barack Hussein Obama was the father of ISIS.
	So to actually say, oh, I want to save Americans from the minorities, from the psyops that come from abroad, no.
	It was just an excuse, of course, an excuse.
	Plus, we have to understand here the cognitive warfare, which is the next step now that follows psychological operation, can now be addressed all over the Internet In a situation that is not like before, you know, before it was like Voice of America or propaganda addressed for abroad could be addressed only abroad.
	And now the World Wide Web makes everything, there is no borders.
	So then it's obvious that there had to be some kind of reformation of the original law.
	But still, I mean, we are protected if We want, in theory, here in America, we should be protected by psychological variations, mind control and so on.
	At least legally we should have that possibility.
	I don't know if it's possible.
	There is at least two journalists that since the Smith-Munster Reformation Act have acted legal, of course, taking the legal road.
	And there are basically two journalists from USA Today.
	So two journalists that felt the government was silent, using psychological operations on them within the United States territory.
	Right.
	And, you know, one of the interesting things about the whole thing is, you know, when, so with the Smith-Mundit Act, you know, That was, as you mentioned, it was repealed in 2012 under the National Defense Authorization.
	It wasn't repealed, there was an amendment to it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Because with the repeal they could say at that point it's no longer valid.
	With the amendment...
	Yeah, and so we start to see this influx of psychological operations going on, particularly over the internet.
	And when we look back to, say, the MKUltra program, for example, what a lot of people have to remember, as I know you've talked about before, we don't even know publicly the extent with what they've done because during the George HWB, Bush, or no, the Reagan administration, when George H.W.
	Bush was the director of the CIA, he personally ordered, I think, what was it, 80% of those documents destroyed?
	So we don't even know.
	They burnt them up.
	Yeah, that's what we have.
	Rumors and legends, like the Monarch Probe.
	We don't really know.
	We know there's books and people who claim things, but there's a lot of people that claim a lot of things.
	Like we had Elle on the show, and she talked a lot about her experiences, and she claimed that No, but there's an important aspect.
	based off of her.
	That was her joke.
	But yeah, Leo, so the origin...
	No, but there's an important aspect.
	The moment in which the director, the then director of the CIA in 1973, destroyed most of the documentation, there was, however, past, you know, while they were destroying the MT Ultra, we discussed the whole Watergate thing, and there while they were destroying the MT Ultra, we discussed the whole Watergate thing, and there was also this important link between Watergate and MT Ultra, which is Howard Hunt, there was also, though, the first research that was
	Now, that is something that they started to do in 1973, And they only completed this year with the experimentation that was announced out of South Korea, which is basically made of mice and the creation of this nanomind technology, which was announced just a week before the attempted assassination of Donald J. Trump, which I
	In my book, of course, you can see there is here the image of Thomas Crooks, on the other side the image of Lee Harvey Oswald, apart from Alan Hughes, of course, the first civilian director of the CIA.
	But there is definitely a lot of similarities between the assassination of JFK and the attempted assassination of Donald J. Trump, and that's why Two hours after this event, there was, of course, the phone call between Trump and JFK Jr.
	And since then, there has been really a united front with his campaign and him giving up on the possibility of the presidential bid.
	But embracing, of course, the possibility of working hand-in-hand with Trump also in regards to possible revelations regarding the rest of the archives on Both for the JFK assassination and, of course, also the assassination of his father.
	Let's talk about this for a second.
	What impact do drugs have on mind control?
	Does that make it easier for your mind to be controlled?
	Because these mass shooters are always on SSRIs.
	What is that?
	Serotonin re-up inhibitors?
	If I remember, if I said that correctly, I believe it's a form of like psychotropic drug and they're always on it.
	Okay, since the 50s, the first antidepressants, like, I mean, it's not really a coincidence.
	It was a kind of like a synchronicity, and the two things went on.
	There was basically MKU, old experiments conducted with drugs, rehashing also the old practices of groups like the Ashashims who were using Ashish and hypnosis in their initiations to create rehashing also the old practices of groups like the Ashashims who were using That was one of the things.
	But then regarding the rise of antidepressants from the 50 onwards, then we have in the 1980s Proxetil, we have Ritalin.
	These are antidepressants that really have opened up, unfortunately, a very Very bad situation which we are still living on in our schools.
	I mean, these mass shootings are often conducted by people who unfortunately are on these antidepressants.
	It's not a coincidence.
	It is like the two big enemies of mankind, we have to be honest about it, are either the big pharma or either the military-industrial complex.
	And one and the other are kind of like profiting from each other If you think about 9-11, now this was a massive sigh of the military industrial complex.
	The result was hundreds of thousands of soldiers of our own troops killed abroad.
	Eventually the ones that came back needed help and many of them ended up on these antidepressants.
	So it's a win-win situation.
	On one side the military industrial complex makes money because it sells more weapons, makes wars, and then on the other the victims mentally ill after being traumatized abroad end up on these antidepressants, which of course are given by the big partners.
	So that is part of the problem here.
	I mean, when we see this constant of the Democrats talking about all the gun problems, the gun The Democrats never once mentioned the mental health issue, because if we go and study the Democrats, just by watching Chicago and the Democrats, it was a bunch of mentally ill people.
	You could clearly see with cameras in front of you that they were placed in front of this big group of people with a stage full of idiots.
	That's OK.
	But then it was actually the people in the various parts of the... You should really see, focus on those people, not on the people on the stage.
	Because those we know were, you know, the Obamas, the Ping, you know, typical of the political theater.
	But the people in the audience... I'm sorry to say, but those people were mentally sick.
	90% of them.
	Ugly, sick.
	If we want to be Christian about it, they were also demonically possessed, most of them.
	If we don't want to put religion into the equation, they were mentally ill.
	And you can see that there is a... I mean, it's like the leftist, when his son is sick, he takes the easy route.
	He doesn't, you know, say, okay, my son, let's sit down and have a talk today.
	What's your problem at school?
	No, it's okay.
	Let's go and see the doctor.
	Let's give you some meds.
	That is the easy solution of the libtards towards this whole thing and that's why they're bringing up this and then of course all the confusion with the gender and you know, ah okay yeah maybe we should have you transformed into another sex because you know you seem uncomfortable with your own sex even when the parents
	I don't want that nowadays they bypass the parents and we know that basically today sending your children at school is basically like sending them in an indoctrination camp but it will never be the same again and that's very sad also for people who maybe spend a lot of money to send also later on in life for their children to a nice college a nice university and then they come back and suddenly wow
	I saw a lot of that when I used to cover where when I still cover a lot of these protests, a lot of the people that are really far left are these spoiled trust fund kids who are a little Caucasian, you know, punks.
	And, yeah, there's a lot of truth to what you said there, Leo.
	There's definitely an indoctrination camp.
	And that's what the school has become.
	It trains activists these days, political activists.
	If your kid identifies as a cat, they may put a litter box in the bathroom for you.
	If he identifies as a lizard, you might get a tranium.
	Maybe your teacher might come in and strap on some fake titties while he's teaching this class.
	It's so weird!
	I couldn't imagine taking school seriously if I was the kid and I went into this class and my teacher every day was strapping on some fake ta-tas.
	It blows my mind, the idea.
	If your kid has a mental illness, right, we are normalizing that.
	We're not saying, hey, listen, and I'm not saying you should ever disparage or devalue someone.
	But there are facts, right?
	There's biological males.
	There's biological females.
	And then there's that hazy line of a few people that have both or, you know, that are born that way.
	But if you feel like your kid picks up a Barbie doll because he wants to see what a girl has, all of a sudden, does that mean he identifies as a female?
	I mean, if that's the case, I identify as trans financial and I'm a billionaire.
	Everyone needs to identify my $1 bills as hundreds everywhere I go.
	And by the way, I also identify as the sexiest man alive, and hot women should immediately consider dating me.
	Otherwise, they're hate crimes.
	Hate crimes!
	Let's go back to the problem of the mass shooting.
	I mean, it's a serious problem.
	And the fact that the left doesn't want to address the mental health issue Which they have helped creating, because that's the problem here.
	If you, you know, when in the 80s, the 90s, they gave Prozac to everybody saying this is the solution of all your problems.
	I mean, that was really the beginning of everything that went wrong in America.
	Because then we had the Columbine shooting, we had everything that... I mean, from that moment onwards, we really see an increase in these terrible mass shootings.
	And then there was this whole thing, this myth, you know, that they created of the chemical imbalance in the brain.
	So, yes, you have a chemical imbalance.
	Serotonin, you know, and all these things.
	Which now, one of the most prestigious universities, the University College of London, has said, has confirmed that, and it's ranked like the nine best universities in the world, so it's not all right, has confirmed, there's no evidence that depression is caused by low serotonin levels.
	So what are you giving to these people?
	I mean, I remember that in the 1990s, there was really An overuse of this whole thing.
	I remember once, you know, because I was doing The Magic of Abramel in The Mage and I had a problem that I described in Volume 3 of my confessions because then the police arrived and then there was a whole... And so then this medical professional said, well, Togami, we would like you to take some prozac.
	So this guy came up because he was actually producing Prozac in his own lab.
	So he had a big jar, this big.
	He gave me this big jar of Prozac.
	I remember I picked up the jar and said, don't worry, I'm going to use them.
	Then a few weeks later, I made a big party in London.
	And I invited all my friends and said, take Franz, I follow you.
	So we experiment and we have a party out of it.
	Then it was like a hundred.
	And whatever.
	It lasted one day and then that's it.
	That was my experience.
	And it ended up with a big party.
	But having said that, although first proposed in the 1960s, the serotonin theory of depression began its wide promotion in the 1960s.
	And we can say that from that moment onwards, unfortunately, things haven't gone the right way.
	I mean, I remember John Coleman.
	John Coleman, of course, you know, has written some interesting books.
	He said in the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations, which he published in 2006, that in later years we are going to discover that all of these random shootings at school, post office and shopping malls were not random at all.
	Because, of course, they are the product of drugs that are mind-altering, like Prozac, AZT, Ritalin, and so on.
	Today, on top of that, we have the pandemic that basically has produced even more mental problems for our children.
	And instead of solving them in a normal way, they feed them with this rubbish.
	The result is these people, they go, purchase a gun, and then go back to school.
	Of course, then we have the parents, you know, the double standards.
	Here we see, for example, with Thomas Crooks, the father and mother who are two libertards, who are two people who are supposed to be counselors and mental health professionals.
	They are left alone, no problem, with the father doing exactly the same thing that the guy did the other day, who ended up now in front of a judge having some big problems.
	He passed on.
	the rifle, which was also an ART, to his son, Thomas Cook.
	The year before, the tempter said, nobody has done anything to this lifter.
	And in my book, I explain and I show how these two supposed alleged mental health professions, who have, of course, failed because if their son did what he did, they failed.
	They went out and were seen two times only in film by Fox Digital.
	Once on the 23rd of July and once on the 29th.
	Now, on the 23rd of July, that was the day that they actually cremated their son.
	We only know that from that Republican congressman who went to battle Pennsylvania in August, because otherwise nobody would know that.
	Why they cremated him?
	Because, of course, they wanted to take away any evidence of what substances he was on or if he had any implants in his body.
	That's why they cremated him.
	But the crazy thing is that the guy was seen in front of a supermarket with his wife carrying this big trolley of stuff on the day that his son was cremated.
	That is the kind of thing you do when your son is cremated.
	Go to the supermarket and fill it up like this.
	I mean, These people are completely sick.
	And the guy was even more sick the week after when he was filmed in front of the lawyers, of the office of the lawyers.
	He came out and the journalist was trying to ask him questions.
	And the guy is like, I can't answer.
	I have to pee.
	You have to.
	You know, Leo, something I want to mention that a lot of people overlook when we start talking about mind control is the media's, you know, position and how they perpetrate this.
	By advertising that you go to gun free zones.
	This is the type of gun to use, AK-47.
	And some mentally ill person, they go and they follow suit who's on medication.
	In the 1970s, when somebody commits suicide by jumping off the Empire State Building and the media advertised it, a couple days later, a couple weeks later, somebody said, oh, that's the way to go out.
	I'm going to go out a star.
	And they went up there and they would jump off.
	And so much so that they had to put a fence up.
	So the media actually has a very influential part in mind control, especially with somebody who is on these medications.
	So it makes them more susceptible and more subjective to some kind of influence given by the media and their mind.
	And these medications really are a gate, you know, the actual gate to getting into somebody's brain.
	Yeah, I mean, around one in six adults takes antidepressants here in America.
	Aside from the people who eat the demented kind of food that will poison you and will poison also your brain, because you are at time what you eat, we have to understand that, of course, if we feed our brain with nonsense, we get nonsense.
	And remember that in the 1990s, together with the antidepressants, we have the rise of reality TV, which basically is like I don't know.
	I mean, it's like the worst form of mind control ever inflicted on millions of people that suddenly, you know, oh, great!
	Like the antithesis of reality, really.
	It's everything but reality, but those experiments were conducted in mind control environments because, for example, the Big Brother, that was the first reality show to come out in Europe, And it was extremely successful.
	There have been experiments for 20 years before they actually came with the show on TV.
	So it was very much carefully orchestrated and the product of course today is generations of people who have been following the Kardashians, who have been following this reality TV and who definitely have lost a few brain cells in the process.
	And on top of that, then we have the rise of social networks with the ultimate social network of choice for all the people who really want to completely destroy themselves, which is TikTok, which is a product of Chinese cognitive warfare.
	And this is the ultimate form Nowadays of mind control.
	We were, of course, still discussing MKUltra, the PsyOps.
	We have, of course, all the work that was conducted on them in the 70s.
	John B. Alexander, Aquino, all this PsyWarrior stuff.
	But now we have Cognitive Warfare.
	Cognitive Warfare uses cybertechnology, nanotechnology.
	It is now, there is an office in north of Virginia which is a command center on how to basically hack the minds of billions of people within NATO and to address them into also accepting that Zelensky is a hero, you know, and all their efforts go on that.
	They will never be able to convince me that Zelensky is a hero.
	The guy looks like the worst crook in the world.
	He's a comedian who is stealing everything possible and imaginable until, of course, this administration will hopefully end up... Because if Kamala manages... Kamala is also the product of Assad.
	I mean, imagine this.
	Of course.
	We are managing to polish a term.
	One year before, you will ask around the Democrats who was Kamala Harris.
	They were intercepted by Project Berry, saying, you know, we keep her only because she's black.
	So that's it.
	You know, she's black.
	So we have to keep her.
	Then they were forced into keeping her.
	Because of the money issues, the donations and not having problems, re-addressing for another time.
	Now they are proposing a person who is mentally completely deranged as the ultimate solution for America.
	Now, if they manage to get back, I mean, to keep, because that's it, I mean, there is a continuation from Biden administration to come out, it's always the same thing.
	It's Obama, basically.
	If they keep the White House, that will be the end of America as we know it.
	And unfortunately at that point we will have censorship on a massive scale like never seen before, that equals the same kind of censorship we have in the Soviet Union.
	The censorship which I saw myself the last few years I was living in Europe, that pushed me, as you know, to leave Europe in 2019, Flee the country, and this year I was naturalized American, and I renounced formally in the month of June to my Italian citizenship.
	And a lot of people say, oh, why you renounce it?
	Because you want to be a citizen of Europe?
	You must be insane.
	It's like being a citizen of the Fourth Reich.
	Those people are completely brainwashed, but not from now, from 1945.
	Because you see, while we had the smooth, what basically I cited earlier, The Smith-Mountain Law of 1948, they never had that.
	They actually, there is no other country in the world that protected themselves from PSYOPs, especially NATO, because NATO had to be continuously PSYOPed by America, and then when America needed a PSYOP for their own people, They were calling, oh, sorry, Italian military intelligence.
	Can you help us?
	We need to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
	Oh, yeah, no problem.
	Tomorrow morning we will have weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
	No problem.
	And that's how, unfortunately, we had the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
	It was a psyop conducted by the Italian military intelligence through the Americans, but with the fact that it wasn't American per se, they had the plausible deniability, which is also what has always characterized these kind of operations since the early 50s and since MKUltra.
	The plausible deniability.
	Blame somebody else.
	Right, and I think that was, you know, particularly with the rise of those operations in Europe, they started immediately around the time of the Cold War, of course, you know, Operation Gladio, with the stay-behind armies, they funded these fascist militants, a lot of them former Nazis, or worked with the SS, and supposedly, oh, we're gonna, you know, we're supposed to be protecting Europe from this
	Supposed Soviet invasion that was allegedly going to come right after the Soviet Union just lost 2-3 million of its troops in this horrific war.
	And then these same fascist stay-behind armies, they ended up committing acts of terrorism, torture, kidnapping, rape, murder, all throughout Europe.
	And, you know, with the backing and the funding of the United States, and that's essentially NATO.
	I mean, if we look back at the founding of NATO, the founding of the United Nations, so many of these people, and the founding of the CIA, so many of these people were brought in under Operation Paperclip were Nazis, and not just like low-level Wehrmacht, but like SS, high-ranking.
	The basis of anti-Ultra is The experiments that were conducted in the concentration camps and then were transferred here in America.
	And of course, there is also the inspiration from the Soviet Union, because the Soviet Union, with Ivan Pavlov, was one of the pioneers with his experiments on conditioning that were conducted first on dogs and later on on people.
	He demonstrated that they could influence really the whole population.
	And that's what Vladimir Lenin wanted.
	I mean, it was incredible, the Soviet Union.
	That's why I'm really scared about Kamala as president, because the Soviet Union was the first, let's say, reality in which mind control became a state You know, a state-sanctioned affair.
	And the same thing will happen with Kamala in the White House.
	You will no longer be able to say anything because you will be locked up in a mental institute.
	That will be easy.
	Ah, you're not feeling very well, dear Tristan.
	I don't like what you're saying.
	Maybe you need a couple of meds.
	And if you refuse, they will lock you up.
	And it's like, I know now it seems very far-fetched for Americans, this reality, but because I lived it on myself in 2014, at the end of 2013, when I was involved with the pitchforks insurrection in Italy, I was arrested and locked up for two weeks by the mental, by the Tavistock Institute.
	And in front of my lawyer, Eficio Buredo, Giuseppe Nicolo, he admitted.
	I worked for the Tavistock Institute.
	They have an office in Italy, Florence.
	I mean, they admitted it in front of me.
	In fact, for me, it was actually quite a good thing because I said, well, you're admitting it in front of my lawyer, I'm going to put it in my next book.
	The honor of all the attention of the Tavistock Institute means that I have done something to disrupt your social engineering because it's about social engineering.
	You can't disrupt the social engineering.
	And that's the problem here.
	I noticed in the last speeches of Kamala Harris this intention of really clamping down on social networks and on freedom of speech because it creates a problem for the social engineering they have in mind.
	Oh, go ahead, Don.
	Okay, thank you.
	I was gonna say, like, that's what it really boils down to is a lot of the social engineering that's going on.
	Because, you know, when we look at a lot of the topics that we've discussed here, about the last hour that we've had you here, I mean, we look at MKUltra, we look at the insanity of what's going on, Big Pharma, in a way, it all ends up getting connected.
	And a lot of it reminds me, particularly when we look at a lot of the insanity going on in society today, you know, like we mentioned earlier with, you know, the The whole trans thing, you know, not knowing what a woman or a man is, or the whole insanity going on in schools.
	It reminds me of this declassified document from the CIA, it's a torture manual called the QBARC manual, where they specify in this manual that the best way to make someone susceptible to psychological manipulation is to inundate them.
	With just chaos, just up is down and down is up and, you know, these torture methods to break them psychologically, to basically distort their perception of reality.
	And I think that's what we see.
	I think Dr. Robert Malone talked a lot about this when he started to talk about, um, what was it?
	Mass hypno, uh, mass formation.
	Yeah.
	And so I think that's another way of describing this deliberate, what I refer to as a deliberate distortion of reality.
	putting people in this very chaotic mental state essentially as a form of torture and then of course you add in the chemicals that are pumped into the food through the gmos and you know this mass medication of you know the population through yeah yeah it's this mass chemical warfare on a large scale through the big pharma through big agriculture through chemtrails through everything the drugs can now be used
	of course in a way like we see to create zombie ghettos around the big scenes of the united states because that's what happens but at the moment when it comes to the weaponization of brain sciences i think these new methods involve more uh Hacking the individual using technology, using algorithms, sophisticated cyber technology, AI.
	It seems to me that that is the future more than the drug.
	The drugs of course, they are using conjunction a little bit like nanotech.
	Yeah, no, a little bit like with hypnosis, you know, hypnosis on its own can't really seem to have... I mean, even when they wanted to create the Manchurian Candidate in the initial stages, they understood that hypnosis on its own doesn't always work.
	Hypnosis with drugs, it was like, it kind of like worked better, it made it more easy.
	And nowadays we have hypnosis conducted by targeting the individual with this cognitive warfare.
	And so we are really in an advanced stage.
	I mean, when you have time, you know, China, we think maybe we will confront China on the battlefield.
	No, I think that at the moment China is really about psychological warfare, cognitive warfare.
	I mean, we are moving towards that kind of confrontation, especially when we have TikTok.
	You basically say that you're going to close down TikTok, a bunch of teenagers, you're going to close TikTok!
	Wow!
	You have already won!
	Yeah, Leo, before you go here, because I know I told you I'd only keep you for 45 minutes, but if I can keep you for just a few more minutes, I wanted to dive into Freemasonry and mind control in the secret societies.
	And in your book, you talk about how Freemasonry is no longer free.
	And I know that there's been a lot of controversy because Although I'm not a Freemason and although I'm not a Secret Society member, I study with you guys and I research and I understand a lot of the things that have changed over the centuries and hundreds of years and there's always culture changes and No Lodge is like
	Any other lodgy, there's Shriners, there's Templars, there's Scottish Rite, York Rite, Scroll and Key, Wolves Head Society, the Illuminati, of all these different, Skull and Bones, all these organizations, offshoots, different lodges, different types of versions.
	Not all of them are free and accepted masons.
	They're all different parts of different groups and organizations.
	Let's talk a little bit about this.
	In secret societies, there's a lot of rituals and things that go on.
	How does mind control work in, let's say, secret societies?
	Well, mind control, first of all, can be exercised not only with coercion, or brainwashing in an aggressive way through hypnosis or through drugs.
	But they can also utilize symbols.
	Symbols can be really hypnotic.
	Think about the symbol of Remy's, a compass with a square.
	In itself, the person who enters the temple and simply stares at that symbol or stares at any other symbol present in a Masonic temple is kind of leaving some kind of influence there.
	And so, pre-mainstreaming can be a positive thing if it's in the hands.
	It's a little bit like a weapon.
	I mean, if it's in the hands of a genuine individual who has been conducting his lodge to teach the secrets of the mystery schools and this and that and all the other, well, it's kind of, it could be a positive experience.
	But when you have a mind controller in the chair in the East, to the chair of the worship of master, well, then you have some serious problems that I witness more than one occasion.
	I mean, there is people who have transformed their lodges in mind control camps that have nothing to do with the regular practices of the pre-nationary, and use this possibility that is given also through the initiation, Because we have to understand, the initiation of Freemasonry might be symbolic, but it might be also, if you conduct it in a certain way, it can also be traumatic.
	It's a trauma-induced kind of situation.
	You are blindfolded, People make noises, things around you, you don't see anything.
	I mean, regardless of who is conducting the initiation, the initiation can always be traumatic if you are not prepared psychologically.
	And sometimes there is a deliberate forcing of certain elements in the initiation.
	I'm not saying that you're going to get killed.
	It happened once.
	I remember I cite this in my book.
	I think it was a lodging.
	Captain Morgan.
	William Morgan.
	This much later, just a few decades ago in New York, there was a lodge, they were conducting the initiation.
	At one point of the initiation, you usually use the sauce to make a lot of noise around the candidate.
	And one guy pulled out a pistol, sometimes they do that in some lodges, and they shoot in the air.
	They didn't shoot in the air, the guy was killed and it was a big scandal.
	But having said that, It is an experience that can be, if not conducted in the right way, with a certain trauma.
	elements, depending on the initiation, because there are different kinds of initiation for Freemasons, it is an experience that can be, if not conducted in the right way, with a certain trauma.
	I remember a guy, and I describe this in my book, who was put in the chamber of reflection without even knowing that he was going to a Masonic initiation.
	He had been recruited forcefully from a martial arts school.
	He was said, Oh, just show up here at this time.
	We want to see you.
	And then they throw them inside this initiation and the guy was literally Shocked!
	And in the end, fortunately, he gave up on the whole thing and said, OK, I'm just going to leave.
	I'm going to take part.
	Because he saw that they were doing things that Freemasons usually don't even do.
	forcefully initiate somebody.
	It's actually, you know, there is a lot of fault given in usually, you have a mentor, you have to sponsor, you have a, in this case, it was just a really weird concern because the guy in charge of that lodge was a mind control expert.
	And the same happened also in another lodge, I remember in France, in Montpellier, what I just told you happened in London, but what happened in Montpellier was also shocking.
	A guy was initiated and then he was given a boiling cup of tea or coffee and to stand in the middle of the lodge with this boiling, literally, it would burn your skin so much, it would hurt so much, but the guy was blocked and he had to stop in the middle of the lodge like this, with the pain And that was, of course, that was mind control.
	It had nothing to do with Freemasonry.
	It had nothing to do with the teaching.
	It had to do with mind control.
	And in fact, that lodge has a long history connecting with mesmerism, with hypnotism, with those kinds of practices.
	Like I said, there is various forms of Freemasonry, also irregular forms.
	Order adjusters, you know, you got some of them that don't behave much to the principles of Freemasonry.
	And there's different groups.
	I know I've interviewed people who claim to allege to have been trafficked through lodges because, you know, it's a good old boy club for certain, you know, government officials.
	And there's a lot of good things that happen in Freemasonry, but I'm not saying that it doesn't mean that there aren't rogue lodges that aren't affiliated.
	with the main organization that do precarious things.
	There is also the phenomenon of hazing in college fraternities, which is equally gross.
	And I mean, that kind of hazing can be also conducted in a Masonic lodge or also in the Illuminati, for example, in the Ordo Tempio Reentis.
	There is a specific degree in which the candidate is put in a sack and then he's kicked around the lodge, in a sack, literally kicked around the lodge.
	Now, that's pretty dramatic.
	It's dramatic if people are in their kick, and they're probably not kicking you soft if you're getting initiated into the Illuminati.
	They're probably giving you a good kick or two, especially if they're moving you.
	I mean, there is forms of initiation and hazing that have been practiced, of course, by societies around the world since the dawn of time.
	But they transmit, of course, the secret knowledge and all the rest.
	But there is also This initiation at that time can be an ordeal that can transform the person.
	Now there is, for example, experiments that have been conducted even mimicking initiations.
	Since the 1950s, the British Psychiatric Association conducted initiation to mimicking that, but you can never really I think you can never re-enact completely in an experiment the initiation.
	The initiations that, by the way, are taken also by people very high up in government.
	Imagine the skull and bones, people who pass a whole night inside a coffin.
	Imagine the infamous Burlington Club of Boris Johnson and David Cameron, who have to basically bend a 50-pound note in front of a poor man, just like Clockwork Orange kind of style, you know?
	And then they dress up in that way, and rituals like putting your penis inside the mouth of a dead pig.
	I mean, that is pretty far-out stuff.
	Yeah, I think I would not.
	I'd leave that secret society.
	It sounds like Bohemian Grove, where they all make bizarre rituals.
	I mean, as we are concluding now the interview, the Bohemian Grove this year conducted the cremation of their ritual on the 13th of July, at the same moment in which there was the attempted assassination of Donald Trump.
	There was the husband of Nancy Pelosi, who was there waiting with all his Wait, wait, wait, you're saying they did the cremation of Keir on the same day that the assassination attempt happened on Donald Trump?
	Oh, I believe it.
	It sounds like something that would happen.
	But also, who was directing it?
	Because they always have people from the show business directing it.
	It was Jack Maia, the director of this.
	Well, you have it here.
	And for our listeners out there, the book is called Confessions of an Illuminati, Volume 11.
	It's number one in the new release in popular experimental psychology by Leo, L-E-O-E-O, Lion, L-Y-O-N, Zagami, Z-A-G-A-M-I.
	Make sure you guys check it out.
	It's only $15.99 right now.
	You can get it on Kindle for eight bucks.
	Leo goes on and explains this.
	But yeah, go back to the Bohemian Grove thing.
	I just want to make sure we plug your stuff here.
	Yeah, no, no.
	We started actually, I was saying, from Labor Day to incentivize the sales, we started the sale on this book.
	So it's actually a very good price.
	And we hope to keep it as long as there is enough people who, of course, purchase it.
	But this book is about understanding that we are living in a mind control prison.
	And what happened on the 13th of July, It was not a coincidence.
	I mean, how can it be a coincidence that while you are conducting the cremation of Kerr, Richard, you have the attempted assassination of a presidential nominee who has been The most hated presidential nominee of the Republican Party within the Bohemian Club, which accounts amongst its members all those assholes which hate Trump.
	People like the Bushes, people like Dick Cheney are endorsing Kamala.
	These people are Bohemian Club assholes.
	That's it.
	Yeah, it's really interesting, Leo Lionzagami.
	Thank you for joining us today.
	I'm going to be in L.A.
	next month.
	I don't know what you're going to be up to, but I will be there with Free and Equal Elections Foundation, hosting the final presidential debate of third-party candidates, including Constitutional Party candidate, Libertarian, and Jill Stein of the Green Party.
	It'll be interesting, but I wanted to let you know I'll be out that way.
	I don't know what your free time looks like, but maybe we might just meet up Thank you for joining us again.
	Where can people, you have a website, tell our listeners where they can find out more about you.
	Do you, and you have a podcast and a show, and I know a lot of times I tune in and you're speaking in Italian and then I hear my name.
	You're like, Oh, Kristen, like, Oh, like, cause I don't know Italian, but I know you're talking Italian and I know you have a huge world audience out there.
	You have a lot of listeners.
	Where can people find your podcast?
	What's your website?
	And again, what's the name of your book and everything else?
	Yes, you can find all my latest articles, also articles based on the subject of this book on LeoZagami.com together with all the links to all my latest books.
	It's been a pleasure to be with you because I know that you know your staff very well as well as also I must say your co-host has done an excellent job today so I want to thank both of you The book is entitled The Past, Present and Future of Mind Control, and this is from Sun Tzu, because I talked about Sun Tzu, the guy who, with his art of war, introduced the Psy-Warriors that would then be used by people like Napoleon, Genghis Khan.
	I mean, through history, the Psy-Warriors have had a lot of influence, but people say, what are the Psy-Warriors?
	They are the ones who affect your psyche, When it comes down to war, the first battalion that is being sent on the field is actually the side war battalion, because they are the ones who have to maybe scare the enemy, maybe tell them, wow, you have to be careful because they're going to arrive and they're going to do this, that and all the other.
	Okay, you know, Genghis Khan conquered half of this planet using these techniques.
	And there were techniques that transformed this army of Mongolian, seemingly primitive barbarians into a very powerful army that conquered, I repeat, half of the world.
	But they sent, first of all, in each city they were about to conquer, some psi warriors.
	Psi warriors that will kind of craft a modern brain and tell them all kinds of stories.
	The power of the world, that is really what it's all about.
	And that's why I'm really thankful that today you gave me the words I could present this book to your audience.
	Thank you so much.
	Leo Lyons-Agami, great guest, great friend, great person in general.
	I've gotten to hang out with him.
	We've had dinner and we've, I think we drank whiskey.
	That was a good time.
	All right, Leo, we'll talk soon.
	We'll see you maybe when I'm in LA.
	Stay blessed and anything new you have breaking, let me know.
	And I'd love to, we'd love to join you on your show sometime soon.
	I know I'm always breaking news.
	Alright.
	We speak soon then.
	All the best, guys.
	See you for maybe volume 12.
	Yes, definitely.
	Hopefully there's a volume 12.
	You gotta stop at 13, right?
	Magic number.
	I might skip 13.
	I might skip 13.
	All right, have a good one, Leo.
	We'll see you soon.
	Thanks again.
	Everyone needs to go pick up Confessions of Illuminati, Volume 11.
	It's on sale for $15.99, The Past, Present, Future of Mind Control, by Leo Lionzagami, 33rd Degree Freemason, and a former member of the Illuminati cult that so many people talk about, but they say, I've never met anyone.
	I don't know anyone.
	Well, now you know somebody, Leo Lionzagami.
	Thank you again.
	What a great person, what a great friend, somebody that I've known for the years, and it's always interesting having Leo Lyon on, because he's so accurate and articulate in his information, and he's very well-researched, and he's not afraid to call bullshit.
	He's like, oh, we don't know all the facts, and it's like...
	Well, I get that, but these are things that have been rumored.
	It's information, and at least we need to know about the Monarch program.
	And he's right.
	He's right.
	Absolutely.
	We should always be working, especially in this modern day where we were just talking with Derek Brose yesterday.
	You can check out that episode on Rumble, too, about this very thing, about inaccuracies.
	And Leo, he does a wonderful job, and he comes from more of a right-wing school mind, but I can't disagree with most of what he had to say.
	done.
	I have to say he's very accurate, real articulate.
	His book, I put it in my cart.
	I'm going to purchase it when we get off of air here.
	I'm going to check it out.
	I'm going to read it.
	Maybe I'll pick it up on Kindle so I can have AI read to me.
	Is that bad?
	Leo needs to do a book on cassette there.
	Not on cassette, but he needs to get somebody to read it.
	I've got a couple of Gia Wood Griffin's books on the CD.
	I think you sent me a couple of them.
	It's pretty awesome.
	The Creature from Jekyll Island.
	So all those things are really fascinating and very interesting when we dive into these things, especially this.
	So I wanted to bring up something.
	When we talked about mind control, there is this video I found, and it is basically all, all it is is preconditioning.
	of 9/11 catastrophe happening in America.
	So this is a basically a nine minute video on the good old boob tube, YouTube.
	And it's essentially nonstop, right?
	Nonstop propaganda that was issued prior, prior to 9/11 happening.
	And I think it's interesting.
	A lot of predictive programming.
	Yeah, let's go ahead.
	We're going to go ahead and play this for you guys.
	And I want you guys to see this.
	This is what we talk about when we talk about mind control and magic.
	This is, this is exactly it.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	The sort of terrorist attacks that will make the bombing of the 1993 trade center look like little kids playing with firecrackers.
	Predictive programming is a form of mass mind control, used to make the population more accepting of planned future events.
	The media you are about to see, was either created or released before September 11, 2001.
	The Lone Gunman was a X-Files spin-off, released in the spring of 2001.
	In its pilot episode, which premiered just six months prior to the September 11th attacks, rogue members of the United States government remotely hijack an airliner departing Boston, planning to crash it into the World Trade Center.
	You said they intend to bring us down in the middle of New York City?
	I'm going to crash the plane into the World Trade Center.
	The whole world is about to explode.
	What do you do?
	I just want to know where to put the camera.
	Yeah.
	I just want to know where to put the camera on.
	I just want to know where to put the camera on.
	This will not stand.
	Oh, I'd love to see New York.
	Stan.
	Oh, I'd love to see New York.
	We could all go with the bus company's special super sitter there.
	New York may be seeing this as 9/11.
	In the 1999 movie The Matrix, Neo is interrogated by his nemesis, Agent Smith.
	In this scene there is a brief moment when you can see Neo's passport, and its expiry date, which is only viewable if you pause at the right moment.
	Chillingly, his passport expires on September 11, 2001.
	The movie Fight Club was released on November 11, 1999, which in and of itself is an interesting numerological date. 11111999.
	Okay, but does the movie have a 9-11 connection?
	You bet!
	You'll remember that the movie ends with the bombing of financial institutions.
	This is done by controlled demolition.
	These last two buildings look just like the Twin Towers to me.
	This is the teaser trailer for the original Spider-Man movie.
	It was released in front of the movie Jurassic Park 3 on July 18, 2001, only two months before September 11.
	The imagery is clear.
	The World Trade Center will soon be targeted.
	This was a flash arcade game where players shoot down planes heading towards the towers.
	And if a plane hit the towers, it would pancake.
	Ocean's Eleven was released on December 7th of 2001, and its controlled demolition scene had to be changed in post-production after the events of September 11th.
	In the theatrical version, the scene is overlaid with CGI.
	However, the original footage shot for this was of the New York, New York Hotel and Casino, all filmed before the attacks.
	Did the producers feel that it was too close to reality?
	Or were the elites covering their obvious tracks?
	You can still see the original here where you can easily pick out the Empire State Building.
	This is a World Trade Center Building 7, which is the only building in history to collapse into its own footprint because of fire.
	It was not hit by either plane.
	Amazing that it came crumbling down exactly like a controlled demolition.
	This will not stand.
	This will not stand.
	In the 1985 classic, Back to the Future, at a scene called the Twin Pines Mall, we will bear witness to a sudden surprise terrorist attack, perpetrated by a group of Muslim terrorists.
	The attack is at the Twin, which is a reference to the Twin Towers.
	When we turn the sign upside down, the digits on the clock read 9-1-1, or 9-11.
	Also at this scene, Doc shows us two stopwatches, both of which display encoded 9-11s.
	Is this only a coincidence?
	The pines are the towers, and this symbol system is confirmed in Back to the Future Part 2, where we see the twin pines appear again on a projection movie screen in Marty's future house.
	Marty's family gathers around the movie screen, and the Twin Pines actually morph into the Twin Towers.
	This is because the Twin Pines ARE the Twin Towers.
	The Pines are the Towers.
	Pines.
	Towers.
	And the Twin Pines Mall is the Twin Towers Mall, which is why all the clocks here secretly say 9-11, and why there will be a Muslim terrorist attack, resulting in the destruction of the Twin Pines, or the Twin Towers.
	But the appearance of the towers is not a random backdrop, as we can see the Statue of Liberty lurking just as secretly as the towers, making this scene a secret recreation of New York City, where Marty's family has gathered to stare at Ground Zero.
	Of these three characters staring at Ground Zero, one of them is completely upside down.
	But in the entire Back to the Future saga, this is the only time when an upside-down character will ever appear.
	The hint being given here is to observe the scene from his perspective by turning it upside-down.
	But when doing so, the Twin Towers are clearly shown to be falling down.
	In the entire history of cinema, this scene of Back to the Future is the most literal depiction ever made showing the Twin Towers falling down.
	So how is it possible that this scene would occur in a story that already contains a terrorist attack by Muslims at the Twins on 9-11 where the Twins are the Twin Towers, which then execute Hollywood's best depiction of the Twin Towers collapse?
	But Back to the Future doesn't just portray this attack, it develops into an elaborate warning about it.
	I can just go back early in the morning.
	I have to tell you about the future!
	Doc, about the future.
	You will be shot by terrorists.
	But Marty is carrying more essential information about the future.
	He knows the exact time and date that a tower will be struck.
	Save the clock tower!
	Save the clock tower!
	Don't forget to take a flyer.
	In a story we already suspect of being a 9-11 warning, how is it possible that this phrase appears on a flyer telling the future?
	Then, when the tower strike takes place, a giant flaming 9-11 is ignited in the streets.
	BuzzFeed dug up an old quote from Donald Trump talking about a large-scale terror attack 19 months before 9-11.
	I don't know Don Biden Jr., Some of that stuff is a little sus, but it's interesting because there's a lot of legitimate programming there that could be like, well, 9-11 happens, so it must be programming.
	I'm just saying that's a hell of a lot of coincidences to experience around the subject of 9-11.
	And they didn't even include the Mike Judge Beavis and Butthead magazine, where they're flying a plane right into the World Trade Center.
	There was a lot of interesting things that were going on then, as far as pre-9-11, that when you look back now and you're like, boy, that could mean 9-11, and maybe you flip the stopwatches upside down.
	Yeah, it's 9-11.
	There's a lot of speculation there, Don.
	And I've always been big on that, but I do know that there's an occult group of organizations, there's an organization of occultists that really believe in number and word magic, number and word magic and programming, and that they have to tell you what they're going to do prior to doing it, right?
	That's part of the satanic ritual per se, or the Illuminati ritual.
	And Loyola and Zagami would confirm that, you know, letting you know what they're going to do before you is part of that ritual, Don.
	Right, yeah, you know, it's...
	Essentially, they have to.
	They have to put that energy out into the world, in the subconscious minds of a lot of people, and something also that a lot of people should keep in mind.
	So first of all, I want to point out that either last year or the year beforehand, I wrote an article for the Free Thought Project, which is titled, Crash Course in 9-11 Truth, 7 Documentaries You Need to See.
	And yeah, I put this out on September 12th of 2022.
	And basically go down a list of seven.
	I chose that number specifically.
	We want to talk about numerology as well as 9-11, building seven, things of that nature.
	Documentaries that really go into a lot of this stuff.
	So I cover stuff from Obviously Richard Gage in Architects and Engineers from 9-11 Truth, Jason Bermas, Luke Radowski back when he used to do good work, you know, and especially James Corbett.
	I mentioned a number of James Corbett's documentaries in here, and the point that I'm making for bringing this up is that one of the things that people will realize if you go through a lot of this information is that It was known for the longest time, at least a year to two years ahead of time, that there was some sort of planned attack that was going to come.
	And we even have whistleblowers that have come out.
	You know, Lieutenant Colonel, what was his name?
	Anthony Schaefer was the Lieutenant Colonel in charge of a program, a national defense program known as Project Able Danger, where they were working with the FBI.
	to locate and uncover a number of Al-Qaeda cells in the United States.
	And of course, as Leo mentioned earlier, Al-Qaeda is a creation of the CIA.
	I also mentioned that a bit in this article.
	So the program was to uncover these Al-Qaeda cells in the United States, supposedly planning this attack.
	And Colonel Schaefer has gone on record as saying that they uncovered information They knew who they were, they knew who the a lot of the people they uncovered ended up being on the 9-11 hijackers list.
	He said they sent this information up the chain of command, showing that, you know, this is who's, you know, going to be involved in this thing.
	And nothing happened.
	And, you know, speaking of whistleblowers, there have been a number of other whistleblowers from the FBI as well as the CIA that have come out and said that they had actionable intelligence to shut this down, and they sent it up the chain, and someone higher up the chain decided, well, we're not going to act on this intelligence.
	You know, J. Michael Springman is another whistleblower.
	He worked at the consulate, the U.S.
	consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
	He was the one who on his own account, was pressured by the CIA to sign off on the visas and the immigration documents for these terrorists.
	Now, at the time, you know, he wasn't exactly sure what was going on, but he brought it to the attention of his superiors.
	Hey, I'm the guy who's supposed to vet these people to make sure that they're not a national security threat before we give them these documents.
	A lot of these guys have a lot of red flags.
	They're connected to some very shady characters, some terror groups, We should not be giving these guys passes.
	And in J. Michael Springman's own words, somebody from an agency with higher clearance than he came down and basically said, give them the documents.
	This is above you.
	We're telling you these guys are OK.
	It checks out at work.
	They work for us in some capacity.
	Pass the documents along.
	And he did that.
	And in recent years, it has come to find out I remember talking about this just last year.
	A number of these 9-11 hijackers have now since been confirmed to have been CIA assets.
	And so, you know, there was information long before 9-11 happened.
	They knew this thing was going to happen.
	They let it happen.
	And if we look at a lot of the information posed by Richard Gage and architects and engineers from 9-11 Truth and the organization he works with now since leaving them, There had to have been, and as many of us obviously know, an inside job involved with this, because these buildings absolutely came down as a result of controlled demolition.
	Yeah, it was nanoparticles of... Thermite.
	Thermite, yeah, it's accelerant.
	Yeah, and so it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, academically proven, by the architects and engineers from 9-11 Truth and Rick Gage and his team that these buildings came down as a result of controlled demolition.
	You cannot rig a multi-story building to come down with controlled demolition in a matter of a day or two.
	That takes months of planning in the broad daylight, much less so to do it covertly where nobody realizes you're rigging it with explosives.
	Absolutely, the predictive programming, I think, is a larger clue in this whole saga of these two buildings getting knocked down.
	Yeah, and Richard Gage is a wonderful human being.
	I know the Anti-Defamation League wrote a hit piece on him when he did our show, because I asked them if Israeli painters could have possibly painted on thermite, and they used that to say he's anti-Semitic.
	Richard Gage is the biggest loving teddy bear who loves everyone.
	He's like my brother from another mother, and I dispute and refute the fact that the Anti-Defamation League... Well, first of all, I don't know, they must like our show because they listen to it and they use the censors.
	That's why we got kicked off of YouTube, by the way.
	They flagged us, and so they definitely watch this program to try to hear and see what's happening, but they've never written anything bad about the Rundown Live.
	They just block us because they don't know what to do with us, because we're right.
	We ask hard questions.
	We ask interesting questions.
	Richard Gage is a great dude.
	We've had him on so many times.
	I could text him right now.
	And I should say, hey, what's up?
	And I know he's busy as heck as tomorrow is 9-11, right?
	Of course.
	So 9-11 is really interesting because buildings don't fall at free fall speeds.
	That's not even to mention that there's all the hedge funds placed on the airliners involved the day before.
	Somebody made like millions of dollars.
	They never took the money out.
	There's just, I don't know, maybe.
	Yeah, and not to mention this one thing that I forgot to mention, which you just reminded me of, of course, there's that infamous story.
	I can't remember who it was.
	It was a senator or governor or somebody from, I think, New Mexico, Arizona, or somewhere around that region that has publicly confirmed multiple times he was booked on a flight for New York the following morning.
	And the previous night, Secret Service called him and said, cancel the flight.
	It was a mayor I think, wasn't he?
	they know if if they knew something that was pertinent enough to tell a congressman or senator whomever he was I can't remember off the top of my hair I think wasn't he yeah or a mayor you know someone of that I know a lot of people like a lot of the bankers were in the building that day right yeah and you know Jason Burmess who's been a wonderful friend to this broadcast and he also hosts the Alex Jones show from time to time he came up with the documentary loose change the
	That's what he's known for.
	Um, but you know, he, he did a great job with loose changes.
	And then he did a great job editing where he found he was wrong over the years.
	So, uh, you know, not only that the hijackers were like living close to the, uh, what was that the NSA headquarters, there's just so many bizarre things that went on around nine 11.
	There's just way too many coincidences.
	Not only that, like the plane at the Pentagon evaporated and the planes, titanium doesn't evaporate.
	They found a passports, but titanium evaporates.
	Gotcha.
	Seems legit.
	You know, not to mention the, the, the plane supposedly crashing in the field in Pennsylvania.
	And I remember we did an episode, you know, for anybody that's curious, go check out, yeah, go definitely check out the, uh, the archives of the rundown live on rumble or band up video anywhere.
	This podcast is found.
	Check out our past 9-11 anniversary episodes where we talked about a lot of this information basically for the whole two-hour show, so you get way more in-depth than what we're discussing right now.
	And I remember even Chanel, our producer, when we brought that up prior, she was like, you know, I've known about 9-11 since I was a kid.
	Of course, we're taught about it in school.
	I've never heard or seen the footage of the supposed plane crash in Pennsylvania, and there's no wreckage of a plane anywhere.
	There was nothing.
	They said it spread up across like, what, several miles?
	Right.
	It was just interesting.
	Here, let's play this real quick clip from Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.
	Eyewitness reports of explosions to validate what Don was thinking.
	Over a hundred first responders reported sounds of explosions and flashes of light at the onset of destruction of both towers.
	Thank you.
	These were not discussed in the NIST report.
	What did these eyewitnesses actually see and hear?
	As we were getting our gear on and making our way to the stairway, there was a heavy-duty explosion inside the lobby.
	We stuck on the stairs for a while.
	We finally got down to the lobby.
	Then we get to the lobby, there was this big explosion.
	There were numerous secondary explosions taking place in that building.
	There were continuous explosions.
	There was a secondary explosion probably at the vice, either planted before or on the aircraft that did not explode until an hour later.
	Then there was some secondary explosions and then the subscape collapses.
	It sounded like gunfire.
	You know, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
	And then all of a sudden, three big explosions.
	About 50 consecutive bangs and it went, fell down like a waterfall.
	And we heard the noise associated with an implosion.
	We heard a very loud blast, an explosion.
	We heard a loud explosion.
	At that point we heard a large boom.
	I looked up and just saw the building coming at us.
	Do you know if it was an explosion or if it was a building collapse?
	To me it sounded like...
	An explosion.
	There was another major explosion.
	All of a sudden you hear an explosion and you can see the building starting to collapse.
	Huge explosion that we all heard and felt.
	We could hear a rumble which was about five seconds long preceding the actual collapse and then a boom when each of those towers collapsed.
	Just seconds ago there was a huge explosion and it appears right now the second World Trade Tower has just collapsed.
	I was about five blocks away when I heard explosions.
	And then you heard from far away, boom, boom.
	And you heard the boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
	Floor by floor, it started popping out.
	It was like, it was if, if it had detonated.
	Yeah, detonated.
	It was if they were planning to take down a building.
	Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
	And it just started going pop.
	It just started going boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
	And he goes, how fast?
	I go like firecrackers.
	They're reporting exactly what I would expect.
	You're hearing boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
	Waves of explosions going off.
	Not one massive big boom.
	There's so many videos of witnesses from that day that report explosions.
	There's radio transmissions from the FDNY.
	We have the transcripts that were recorded, you know, back in 2001 of all these firefighters and first responders reporting explosions.
	This testimony should have caused the presumption that there was a good chance explosive residue would be found and justified testing for it, rather than the opposite.
	It doesn't look like a collapse.
	It's like a huge mushrooming, billowing kind of an event.
	That whole thing looks nothing like a building falling down.
	It's a building being blown up.
	That's what the physics shows.
	Yet they refuse to consider the possibility of explosives Or some other form of demolition device could have been used to cause the collapses of the towers.
	And the fact that controlled demolition is consistent with all the available technical evidence.
	And the response that I request for correction is this simply saying they're unable to provide a full explanation for the total collapse.
	even though that was their task given to them by Congress.
	Interesting stuff there, guys.
	Just wanted to give you some viewpoints.
	We've had obviously Richard Gage from Architects and Engineers on the show talking about this whole situation.
	Building number seven wasn't even hit by an airplane.
	I remember that day.
	I remember waking up I was getting ready for college.
	I was sleeping on my parents' couch and my best dude friend at the time, John, called me up.
	He's like, bro, it's Bible prophecy!
	It's come true!
	You know, it's just because we grew up in church and that's what we believed.
	And I was like, what do you mean?
	He's like, turn on the TV.
	And I saw one of the buildings on, you know, smoking and then a plane hit it.
	And when I went to college, all we did is watch The buildings burn all day while we were at college, all day.
	It reminds me of when I was a kid and the Challenger exploded.
	That's all that was on every station is the Challenger blowing up.
	So they made sure that everyone was programmed to understand or see that this was actually going on.
	And nanothermites.
	So the big question here is, if these things fell at free-falty speeds, and what's the big deal if there was explosives inside the building?
	Well, who planted the explosives, Don?
	That's what it comes down to.
	That and the war games.
	The war games is a whole other issue dealing with this.
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	That's why I encourage people to check out the article that I wrote a couple of years ago, because the seven documentaries I included in that article really cover all of these things and so much more.
	Something else that people need to keep in mind is that this was not the first time this had happened.
	The World Trade Center was targeted for a bombing in 1993 as well, and as esteemed researchers of false flag operations and government shenanigans will know, This was an FBI plot.
	It was an FBI setup.
	And we have tape recordings because one of the informants that the FBI was using to establish this plot, he started to get suspicious.
	He's like, hey, you know, this doesn't, you know, this doesn't seem cool.
	So he started secretly tape recording the FBI when he would meet with them.
	And these tapes confirm that they deliberately gave Oklahoma City?
	a real bomb instead of a fake one.
	They deliberately gave them a real bomb and let the attack happen.
	And this was in 1993.
	That's why...
	Oklahoma City?
	Are you talking about OKC?
	No, I'm talking about the World Trade Center bombing in 1993.
	Oh yeah, World Trade Center bombing, okay, yeah.
	Yeah, it was a car bomb, I think, in the basement parking garage of the World Trade Center.
	Yeah, Noble Lie is another good documentary dealing with Oklahoma City bombing, but yeah.
	Absolutely, I love that documentary.
	I recommend it to anybody that wants to know about Oklahoma City.
	That, and James Corbett's Secret Life of Timothy McVeigh, I recommend to anyone who wants to know about OKC.
	Yeah, it's all fascinating.
	And so who put in all the demolition into the World Trade Center?
	And it's funny, that building was built by Rockefeller.
	In fact, Rockefeller's built New York, and as you know, they're famous occultists.
	And a lot of people believe that the Twin Towers represent, not recommend, represent Jaqen and Boaz, right?
	The pillars of King Solomon's Temple.
	I believe so.
	I haven't looked into that aspect, much of it.
	No, I mean, as far as the occult aspect of it, Jackin and Boaz, yeah, it's Jackin and Boaz is the correct thing.
	That's what it is.
	Not that the Twin Towers represent that, but obviously David Rockefeller is the 33rd degree Freemason.
	So, you know, they're very obsessed with the occult.
	Jack and Boaz are instrumental in Freemasonry.
	You know, obviously the buildings in much of New York was built by the Rockefellers, and I'm not saying that they're responsible at all.
	I'm just saying that, you know, it's interesting stuff.
	And we had a guy on the show called Glenn Zermenov who worked into it and did in-depth research on this.
	And I'm not saying that he was right or that I even agree with any of this stuff.
	It was just interesting.
	It was like, that's a lot of correlations and coincidences, a lot of word magic, a lot of math magic, a lot of numerology that seems to all work together.
	And he kind of put it all together in his book that he wrote.
	And I tried to call him this morning to try to get him on maybe tomorrow so he could talk about it a little bit.
	And I thought he'd find it interesting.
	Maybe he could sell some more of his awesome, interesting books, which I don't know if there's any real hard evidence on it.
	Just a bunch of coincidences and correlations that make you go, hmm.
	Right.
	Well, yeah, I'm one of those people.
	You got some people that say they don't believe in coincidence at all.
	I do believe in coincidence, but I believe that once you start to see a pattern, it's a pattern is indicative of something more than coincidence.
	Patterns do not necessarily, well, that's not to say they don't happen naturally.
	Of course, we, you know, we look at sacred geometry and the flower of life.
	And so patterns do happen naturally for things of that nature.
	You know, when you get, you know, with 9-11, for example, you're not going to have 100 different coincidences to all coincide with this thing without it being some sort of, you know, facilitated, orchestrated from the inside.
	And not to mention, also, I remembered That video that we had up, they were talking about the NIST investigation and the 9-11 Commission.
	People would also do well to remember that two sitting members of the 9-11 Commission have since come forward and admitted the whole thing was basically set up to fail, they were underfunded, they were Micromanage the whole way.
	We're higher up government officials.
	We're telling them what evidence to include and what to exclude.
	The whole commission designed to investigate 9-11, which by the way, the price tag for that investigation, they spent, the U.S.
	government spent more money investigating the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal than they spent investigating 9-11.
	That's a fact and it's insane.
	My favorite part was when NIST said that there were no explosives found and then when somebody asked them a follow-up question, did you check for explosives?
	They said no.
	Right.
	It just goes to show how the whole thing was set up to fail.
	Right.
	And let's see, 9-11, uh, how much was spent on 9-11?
	Um, was it research?
	was the research?
	The 9-11 Commission.
	Okay.
	Um, let's see how much money there you go.
	Oh, there's nobody.
	Nobody says I can't find a listing, but I'm sure somebody can find it, how much they spent on it.
	But it reminds me of JFK where they came up with an encyclopedia to explain the magic bullet, but they invested money into trying to figure out who shot him.
	Right.
	Yeah, you know, it's the same with the JFK investigation.
	The whole thing is just so ridiculously set up to fail, to basically provide non-answers to pivotal questions and then just completely not even acknowledge.
	How does this fit into the grand scheme of our show today?
	Mind control.
	Mind control.
	Because it reminds me of Bart Sabrell when we had him on the show, and he said that people want to believe a good lie, so we landed on the moon.
	He doesn't believe we landed on the moon, but saying that we did land on the moon, people want to believe it because it was a good lie.
	But people don't want to, because they have these experts, They come out and they held their hands and told them what to report, and what to say, and what the science is, and they printed 9-11 Commission reports, and people know exactly what happens, and they give it to prisoners to read in prison, right?
	Yeah.
	Which Mike and I found interesting.
	Why would you give prisoners 9-11 commission reports?
	But then again, they all read Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper, which I was going to bring up the William Cooper Behold a Pale Horse book because I own a copy.
	And he talks about mass shootings and mind control programs used to inculcate mentally ill people to open fire on schools.
	It's actually funny that you mentioned how that they read Behold a Pale Horse in prisons because my copy of the book was given to me by a friend of mine who got it while he was in prison.
	Well yeah, and so people read it and so now they want to give them 9-11 mystery reports, you know, so that they believe the official narrative.
	And I think the problem is people religiously, they may not believe in Catholicism, they might not believe in Christianity, they might not believe in Norse pagan gods like Don.
	They may believe in government.
	Government is their religion.
	And that's my problem with communism, is predominantly government is their religion.
	And atheistic communism is, you know, same thing with an atheist.
	It tends to be government that's their religion.
	The government can't be wrong.
	We see that being the case throughout the whole of statism in general.
	I know John Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute recently put out an article a couple weeks ago, I believe, Talking about how, particularly in American society, people worship the government.
	Government has become a religion.
	And for those who are astute in the study of anarchist philosophy, if they've read Larkin Rose's book, The Most Dangerous Superstition, he posits quite convincingly that government is in fact, a religion.
	And it's, you know, regardless of what form it takes, whether it's communism, fascism, democracy, or republic, or, you know, a monarchy, you know, people believe in this mythology of this thing called the state, the government, this sort of, you know...
	And they know what's best for you, right?
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's what it comes down to.
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