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Feb. 29, 2024 - The Leo Zagami Show
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THE DARK SIDE OF THE NEW WORLD DISORDER
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Welcome everybody here back to The Missing Link.
Today we're excited and honored to have back for a second time someone who's a writer and a researcher.
He was also part of an independent group of analytical psychology.
He was part of the inner workings or knowing of the NWO and the Illuminati.
He's written a whole bunch of books.
Jake, thank you for having me on.
and he's here to share his story with us again here back on "The Missing Link".
Welcome to "The Missing Link", Leo Lyon-Zagami.
How are you doing today, brother? - Great, thank you for having me on.
Where are you based exactly? - I'm in Alberta, Canada.
- Okay, so in a different time zone.
Here is the early hours of the morning.
Yeah, you're 9am, I'm 10am, so I'm just above Montana.
We're just to the west of the Rocky Mountains.
So, pretty close time zone, but, you know, just a little higher up and a little colder.
Absolutely, absolutely.
But it's good to be in the cold weather in the summer.
I find it a bit too hot here in the summer.
I might have to visit you in the summer.
You can come visit any time, brother.
Thank you very much, Jesse.
Thank you for having me on.
And today, of course, it's the second time I'm on your show.
So I'm glad that we can dwell further in all my work and analyze further also my latest books.
Awesome, so why don't you start off with telling us about yourself and about your journey, a little bit about your background, your family history, your education, a little bit about your maybe movie producer career, what got you in knowing about the New World Order, the Illuminati, a little bit about your background story for anybody that may not have heard the first interview and they may be hearing you here for the first time.
OK, first of all, I'm not a movie producer, but rather a documentary producer.
I produced in the past some documentaries, which I'm very glad of having participated in, because I think that especially when it comes to exposing the Vatican, a lot of things have never been covered.
And so in the past, I was lucky enough to Produce such documentaries, one of them also with my friend Alex Jones in 2015.
So we went on.
I mean, my career, like you said, has been a bit varied.
I was actually a record producer, though, a record producer and label owner during my time in London.
But I come from a particular family.
When you mentioned the analytical group GAPA, it was actually founded by my father, co-founded by my father, who is missing now for 14 years.
He died in 2010, but he was a known Jungian psychiatrist and had been working with Mayer, who was the Let's say the heir to Carl Gustav Jung in Switzerland, so very high up in the Jung psychiatrist, let's say, club.
However, he broke from psychiatry, wanted to do something different.
And so since an early age, I was actually myself also witnessing his researches in the paranormal and other things.
He also worked, of course, at an academic level also earlier with Project MK Ultra within the Sorbonne University.
So I was privileged to have a father who had such interest, but at the same time also a grandfather who was a politician and a family from an aristocratic background who brought me up.
And of course, I arrived to my early twenties thinking that the world was definitely in the hands of the elite because that was how I was brought up.
Then later on in life, When I was approximately 36 years of age, I decided to break from the New World Order and in the fall of 2006, as I'm born in 1970, I created my first blog to expose the Illuminati and the New World Order, which I was previously So this, I guess, is my introduction.
Then later on, of course, after I saw how the Internet is manipulated, censored at the very early stage, also of the social network, of the rise of the social networks, I saw how This could lead to censorship.
And so in 2009, I started to publish books.
I did it first in Japan.
Then later on, Italy followed in 2012.
I published six books in Japan.
I published several books in Italian.
I think I lost count of how many.
But in the end, when I started publishing my books in Italian, as I had moved back there in Between 2008-2009, because of the espionage accusations that were moved against me in Norway, I ended up though having problems also in Italy, because then I got more and more involved also politically myself.
And in 2019, I was forced to leave Italy and move here to California, where I still reside in Palm Springs.
So what is the Illuminati exactly, if you could maybe describe it to, you know, the people listening here?
Illuminati we have, of course, is a general term for me because I explained in Confessions Volume 1, it's not only the Illuminati of Adam Bayshaft, which I was, of course, also involved in.
But it's a number of mystery schools which we commonly refer to as the Illuminati.
And a lot of people like to include also large parts of, you know, Freemasonry, the Rose Occlusion, all that, which is actually correct to some extent.
So I would say that the Illuminati is here in the West, the occult side of Freemasonry, but also those think tanks, those members of Freemasonry who worked out of their so-called regularity of Freemasonry, which those members of Freemasonry who worked out of their so-called regularity of Freemasonry, which forbids the talks and politics and created bodies where those they were actually pursuing both religion and politics.
So I think that the Illuminati as a term also within the Western initiatic system has never really been referred only to Adam Bishop because even during his days he founded, as you know, an order in 1776 called the Order of the Illuminati an order in 1776 called the Order of the Illuminati There was another Order of the Illuminati called the Illuminati of Avignon, founded by a Catholic monk called Dom Pernetti in the south of France.
So even back then, there were various Illuminati bodies.
And already in the 1780s, the term Illuminati had been overused, let's say, and for that reason they were exposed as such, and Adam Bishop ordered immediately to change the name, and that created an infinity of names.
But having said that, the Illuminati existed even before Adam Bishop in 1776, and it goes back to the Gnostic schools.
This is a subject which I explain in detail in my latest book, Volume 9, with a whole chapter which basically shows how Adam Bechart, the founder of the Illuminati, Albert Pike, the great reformer of the ancient and ancient Scottish Rite, as well as John Yarker, who was also the reformer of the ancient and primitive rite known as the Memphis and Misrine, They all pushed Gnosticism.
Gnosticism then became also neo-Gnosticism in the 1880s when in 1888, Doniel in France, in the headquarters of the Theosophical Society, refounded, reclaimed the Gnostic Church, saying that as a medium, reclaimed the Gnostic Church, saying that as a medium, he was in contact with the Albigians, the Cators, Bishops, and he was kind of bestowed upon this new line of Gnosticism, which is actually what you find nowadays.
All those churches that today claim to be Gnostic usually come from this lineage, apart from the Johannites, the ones that instead come from the Templar tradition that believed, erroneously, by the way, that there was erroneously, by the way, that there was more importance to be given to John the Baptist this than to Jesus.
And the Johannites in a way became also an important element within the so-called tradition of these initiates.
So, regarding the Illuminati, though, like I said, the Mystery Schools, apart from the fact that it's not only the Western Illuminati, we have also the Eastern Illuminati, the Middle Eastern Illuminati.
The Sufis, for example, can be considered Gnostics and Illuminati themselves.
And for example, there's a lot of misunderstanding regarding the Sufis because they are paraded today as these peaceful, loving individuals, while the reality is very different.
And the same can be also said about certain religions in the East.
For example, the lamas are to be considered the illuminati of the East, and the lamas in Tibet, both the red caps and the yellow caps.
But we know that, for example, there is a lot of darkness behind the facade of people like the Dalai Lama who then go and kiss little children and suck their tongue.
Discussing things like that.
So the whole system that we have around us has Illuminati, both in the West and in the East and in the Middle East.
So we are surrounded by their power, but their power is to be divided in, of course, the occult power, the power which is more of a spiritual nature, and the geopolitical, political, economic power.
So that means that, for example, in the last hundred and, let's say, thirty years, I explained this in volume eight of my confessions, we have the birth of
A phenomenon like the think tanks and the rise of the think tanks means eventually the birth of the Club of Rome, the Davos World Economic Forum and other groups which or the Bilderberg Club after the Second World War, which are not necessarily participating in occult rituals, you know, and there is a lot of misunderstanding about that, but they are focused compartmentalized on the use of
Crude power.
And of course, it's not that it's less effective.
So we have the religious power that is represented usually by the institutions of the world.
But these institutions have been somehow corrupted because there is a plan, a plan to unify all these religions.
Now, this is another subject of importance that I have discussed in the past, but the one word religion is under two forces that are the Jesuits and the Sabbatean Frankists that are the heretics within the Jewish world.
So I don't consider the Jesuits necessarily Catholics or Christians per se, because they are heretics, but they are in control, as you know, these days of the Catholic Church.
They even have a Pope for the first time on the throne of St.
Peter.
And the same can be said for the Sabbatean Frankists.
They don't reflect Judaism, Orthodox Judaism.
They represent all that progressive reform within Judaism that is now creating all these problems, not only in Israel, but also here.
They have, of course, a mouthpiece through Hollywood, which is a very strong one, and that was able to brainwash a lot of people for their values.
Their values are Of course, counter initiation, counter spirituality.
The darkness that they bring to the world is because they think that within that darkness, they can find maybe a sparkle of God even there.
The actual sexual magic that a lot of people, you know, ascribe to Alistair Crowley was born also a long time before Alistair Crowley.
And the creators of it have to be found within the Sabbatean movement, the Sabbatai Zevi himself.
So they, they, This is basically the world we're living in.
It's a world in which there is a lot of different factions and it's very difficult for people to put the puzzle together.
So with my books, I try to, and as you know, my books are very thick.
They are 400 or 500 pages at times.
Maybe there is a lot of studying to do, but that's what it means to understand really the Illuminati rather than just superficially claiming you have understood things by reading a page on the Internet.
That is not possible.
I offer, of course, myself articles regularly on leozagami.com, which are aimed to enlighten people and bring more knowledge about certain subjects.
But I also think that with the Internet, you can only outline a limited amount because the attention span of people is one page.
And that's why in 2009, I went to Japan and thanks to what became soon after my wife, Christy, we went to Japan and I was able to sign a book contract.
Because I think that books are capable of really offering a much more in-depth research, just as we are doing now with this interview, you know, one hour and a half fueled with information.
But how much can we really cover in one hour and a half?
Because if you start reading one of these books, you will not go through the first chapter with one hour and a half, probably.
So you understand that it's about Trying to, of course, make people more aware, but also we have to understand that the people need to study and to make their own mind up, because at times I offer the information without really offering a... I just offer the information, say, you make your mind up about what they are doing, because, you know, I might have my own interpretation.
And I say that my own interpretation might be a bias.
So you also need to make your mind up by studying these topics.
And that's why my books are usually correlated with a bunch of footnotes and citations.
So, for example, for a book like this one, we have something like 678 footnotes.
I mean, it's, of course, also a way of blocking the criticism and those people who say, oh, well, I will debunk Zagami.
Well, good luck with that, because the sources that I use often are academic.
And if they go and debunk them, they go and debunk themselves.
So, you know, if you go and use a source, for example, from Georgetown University or Yale or Harvard, I don't necessarily think these people are superior to us or their education is superior to us.
But if you want to fight the system, fight them with their own words at times.
Now, how does someone become a part of the Illuminati?
Is there an initiation process?
Do you go find them and try to ask to become one?
Or do they approach you, someone with wealth and power?
How was you?
Was there initiation?
Did you have to drink out of skulls and sit in coffins?
Like, was this part of, like, you know, initiation process for the Illuminati?
The initiation process can be that, of course.
But at the same time, you will not be able to find them on the Internet.
And any Illuminati that presents itself on the Internet, like in the last few years, we had all these Nigerian scams, people telling me, oh, Leo, I gave two thousand dollars and they sent me a diploma.
And then I discovered it was a Nigerian scam.
Well, I'm sorry, my friend, but then you must be a little bit gullible if you think that you can really join the Illuminati on the Internet.
The Illuminati want, of course, power, wealth or the bloodlines.
So There is not really any alternative to that.
If you are just a bum sitting somewhere in the middle of America, they're not going to come and search for you.
If you actually get a message saying the Illuminati want you, it's almost certainly a scam.
And this happens every day.
So I invite all the people who are receiving these fake messages often on Facebook or on other social networks to To reject them, of course, because they are just as bad as those other kinds of scams.
Like, I want to put a million dollars in your bank account.
It's just like that.
I mean, it's just fake.
The real Illuminati, like we said, are a number of orders.
When you eventually arrive to the Illuminati, you arrive because you've been maybe initiated already in Freemasonry.
So you went already inside an initiatic kind of surrounding in which you get recruited.
Otherwise, you get recruited from other groups.
It can be the Rosicrucians that are external to Freemasonry.
It can be knighthoods.
Knighthoods, for example, are one of the easiest and fastest ways, but they have to be recognized knighthoods, like the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre, the Knights of Malta, the Teutonic Knights.
this Then, like I said, there is the awkward part of it, which is the initiation and drinking strange things and all kinds of or sleeping in coffins, all kinds of that is, of course, something that is done.
But then you have also The more, let's say, normal, between brackets, participations to events that you are simply maybe in a ritual context, but there is nothing really criminal in nature going on.
I mean, it's not even criminal to drink some weird animal blood and stuff, but this happens often.
And animals are sacrificed, but at some points, of course, in these fraternities, in these groups, you get the people that want to get to the next level.
And then at that point, you know, I have always refused the human sacrifice.
I always refused participating in those kind of rituals.
I remember myself when I was invited once, it was the year of 2001.
I kind of, I was like, What should I say now?
I mean, we're going to the woods.
I said, well, just go into the woods.
I'm very busy with my work.
I had a lot of excuses because I was a record producer and a DJ for a number of years also, and I was flying around the world often.
So I was not always there.
It was outside of London.
They were conducting this creepy thing.
So I was able to simply or another time when they brought me into the woods of Norway, But the whole thing, I mean, seems to me binding amongst people of great power that want to find, of course, ulterior power in sacrificing something to the dark side, to Satan's legion, and at the same time binding themselves because, of course, each of one knows
A dark secret about the other, the moment in which you participate in something like that.
So you can get very easily blackmailed.
And that's why I never really wanted to participate to that kind of thing.
But it was for me actually very revealing when I got initiated into the eighth degree of the OTO.
It was at that point that I had access to certain instructions.
And I remember I was initiated in Oslo and actually I published my initiation diploma and stuff in one of my books, I think one of my confessions.
And basically at that point I went into the instructions that were given with this degree.
And this instruction included the human sacrifice fetuses that were consumed between members of a satanic congregation, all that.
And that really, was the moment in which I said, OK, I had enough.
And that was the moment in which I broke.
Breaking with my past took three years because it wasn't only one group I was a member of.
I was a member of several groups and they were all somehow interconnected, including being a Freemason.
So they tried to attack me using Freemasonry, knowing that basically nobody in Freemasonry knew about certain things.
And they could attack me.
And so it became a very bad situation that developed within three years.
Then I remember after June 2006, when I had this important meeting in a monastery in Italy with various people from the Monte Carlo, Giuseppe Giunchi, Giorgio Balestieri, and all these people, when I start to hear the phrase, Leo, if you don't comply, you will be eliminated.
And that's when I said, OK, here I had enough of all this.
I'm going to expose you.
How I'm going to expose you?
I wasn't really a techie.
I wasn't really into the Internet.
I hardly had.
I probably bought my first computer in 2003.
I was not really a guy who went on computers and stuff.
So for me, even putting, setting up a blog was a new experience and I didn't know what would come out of it.
But in the fall of 2006, I started this exposure and soon after, immediately after, on the beginning of November 2006, I had the first visit from the intelligence service in Norway, the PST, the internal security police, and they threatened me to close down the blog I had just inaugurated or having my child taken.
And eventually they They did.
And so I never saw my child again from 2000 and early 2008 onwards.
So I didn't comply with their threats with what they were offering.
They offer me this, they offer me that.
I have been, let's say, very transparent about all these things when I came out on the Internet with all these revelations, though people were skeptic.
And at the same time, I had thousands of throats that were sent against me by all these secret societies, these groups.
And it was very easy for them to To create a bad name around me.
So between 2006 and 2008, I found myself really with this situation.
It was very unpleasant in which I was accused of espionage at one point, arrested for espionage and all this.
I had to flee Norway, give up my son and all the rest.
But then the solution was only to reveal everything else I knew.
And to do it in a way that they couldn't really debunk it.
And so that's how the Confessions of an Illuminati are born.
And that's how my work has been conducted since then, with a lot of sacrifice, of course, because then things didn't finish.
You know, I mean, when I went on in Italy with this kind of thing, the Vatican offered me money to not publish the books in Italian.
I talk about this in Volume 3 of my Confessions.
The Vatican openly offered me money with a guy called Antonio Leonardo Montuoro, who called me up one day and said, I work for the Vatican Intelligence and for General Marinelli.
He was called the General by Pope John Paul II.
And they invited me to To talk with them in the Vatican and to arrive to maybe a positive ending with them offering me a lot of money, my bank account, maybe a position as a grandmaster of one of the recognized knighthoods.
And I refused.
And then I went on publishing these books in Italian and then my life became even more difficult, more and more.
I got also politically involved in Italy and that wasn't really something they liked very much because my books are not only books that you read, these are books that demand action and at the time in Italy I was really denouncing a lot of the political scene involved with all the various Masonic and Jesuit manipulation.
So in the end, in 2019, I have to simply flee the country because otherwise I will be killed or my wife will be killed.
We were threatened constantly.
And it was really unpleasant.
And the last few months in Italy was really a very tense situation because we had to flee.
But at the same time, we didn't have to let our enemy know that we were fleeing Italy.
So you can imagine we had to also try to put some money together because my family, of course, being a family of the establishment, didn't want to help me whatsoever at the time.
And so me and my wife, the only way we could actually gather some money was thanks to the sale of the books.
And thanks God, I just published Volume 6.66 in the early months of 2019.
And thanks to that book, I was able to put the sum of money to just leave the country and start a new life here in the United States of America, which I did from May 2019.
I never went back to Europe since then.
And so I am glad, though, to be able to write my books freely without the threats I had in Italy, the police breaking through my door or threatening my wife or doing things to us.
This was very unpleasant.
So I sacrificed very much for revealing what I know, and it's sad that, unfortunately, in this so-called truth movement, let's define it, you used to call it, I don't know how you call it nowadays, but there is a lot of jealousy and people are, no, this, that, or Liu Zegang is still this or still that.
Well, guys, I had to renounce to my own life of privileges to be here.
So I like always to remind that to the people who are watching, because then they will understand that here is a person who has suffered, who has been incarcerated, tortured, and has to renounce to his own son for doing what I'm doing.
I don't see other people who are offering you this kind of research Having suffered so much.
With all due respect, even for David Icke, who helped me out in 2006.
He was one of the first people who picked up on my articles.
I mean, I don't see David Icke, apart from being banned from entering Europe and other things that, of course, are, you know, to some extent can be annoying.
I don't see him being threatened, him or his sons or other people within this world, including Alex Jones or others.
Here is a bit of a different situation here.
So for that reason, I think I'm very much looking forward for people to discover my confessions.
And now I brought out last year this book, but I am preparing also for Volume 10 that will come out in the next few months.
And Volume 10 will be one of the most important and shocking books That will reveal something that people will find more shocking than ever, and with evidence in hand.
Because when I make my claims, I don't just make my claims.
I show the documents, I show the pics, I show everything, the photos, the testimony, let's say.
So it will be a very important book, especially because it's going to be based on Islam and what is happening in the Middle East.
Fascinating.
And people in the truth movement are very, very skeptical.
And, you know, if you even go on somebody's show or somebody's on your show, then all of a sudden they label you as maybe one of those controlled ops and everybody's pointing fingers in every direction.
And this seems to happen when we had David Icke on the show.
It was interview number 15 when we started The Missing Link.
One of the questions I asked him was, were you ever invited to be in any secret societies?
And he laughed and he said, they know better than that was his response to me when I asked him about that.
We've interviewed his son, Gareth Ike.
I mean, I mean, I mean, I like them very much, Gareth also.
I mean, you know, I speak with them.
I was a guest in their platform.
They made an excellent interview last year to me.
But in fact, mine wasn't a criticism, but simply an example, though.
I don't think, literally, there is somebody else currently who has given so much to be here and to offer you what is written in these books.
Now, you can, of course, take it from a salesman point of view and say, this guy is just wanting to sell his product.
And let me remind you, however, That when I started all this, I didn't have any books.
I offered everything for free and I did it for a number of years.
My first book in the English language came only in 2014-15 and it came out really out of necessity for me because in Italy I had been involved in the pitchforks revolution and earlier on I had been a candidate for parliament.
In 2013.
And so my books at that point had been literally picked up from the shelves and thrown away.
And my books were doing very well in Italy because I had been a regular guest on one of Berlusconi's TV shows, Mistero.
on Italia Uno regularly.
And that meant millions of people were watching me.
And it was a very big platform to actually expose certain things.
And so my books, actually, you could find my books in the libraries and every train station in Italy.
It was incredible.
I had a Leo Zagami section in these famous bookshops everywhere.
And suddenly they were put out And there was also threats by the Vatican to those distributors for my book dedicated to the Pope that eventually came out in the English language as Pope Francis, the last Pope.
And so I didn't have a future in Italy anymore as an author.
So we came here with my wife in early 2014, after I had been arrested and locked up.
And thanks to my lawyers, I was capable of getting out of that.
And it was a really bad experience.
Especially traumatic for my wife, because she's American.
She didn't know that these people could do things like this.
Smash your door, come in, put a torch in your face, interrogate you.
Based on what?
No crime had been done.
And so...
I came here, I stayed in California for a few months in the spring of 2014.
I found a book contract with Brad Olson eventually.
with the CCCC publishing, thanks to Sean Stone, our common friend Sean Stone, the son of Oliver Stone.
And at that point, I started to put out these books in the English language, but it was no easy kind of project because I had already published five books in the Italian language.
They had to be translated.
These books are very thick books, as you know.
It will take a long time for translating them.
And in fact, It took me three years to translate these five books.
It took five years.
It was like, no, sorry, took three years.
And we can say four because 2018, I also had the invisible master later coming out in, So, I mean, it took really almost five years and I was obviously working day and night with my wife to not only write them, to translate them in English, but to adapt them to the American language and make sure that they didn't result as translation.
Because I hate books that sound like they are translated, you know?
So I wanted to really give the real feel.
In that period, in 2015, Alex Jones came to visit me in Rome to apologize.
And this is also very important.
He apologized.
And he apologized for one reason.
Alex, when I first brought out my blog in 2006, had said I wasn't a trustable source because I was Muslim at the time, officially, on paper.
I was a Muslim because I had married a Muslim woman.
And so the only way of marrying her was to officially, between brackets, being a Muslim.
So he said, you can't trust a Muslim.
So I said, OK, no problem, Alex, no worries.
And so he felt obliged to come and apologize to me in Rome.
I remember our first encounter in the middle of St.
Peter's Square, in the middle of St.
Peter's Square in a night setting.
So it was very particular, very Dan Brownish kind of situation.
Then we went on producing a documentary about the Vatican exposed and working for a number of years exposing the Vatican.
That was also something that happened.
But also when he came there, he said, will you like to support Donald J. Trump?
Because I actually liked this candidate.
We were at the primaries, so he wasn't yet the candidate for the Republican Party.
It was still the primaries.
There was Jeb Bush, all this.
Ted Cruz, all these people involved at the time.
So what happened was that I said, well, I think he's a great option because he's not a politician.
He's a businessman.
He doesn't need the money.
It's not like Obama, who knows that after he finishes his political career, he has a contract with Netflix or a book contract to some other millionaire.
He doesn't care about that.
He has his own business.
So I said, this is the kind of guy that could really change The American political scenario.
So I decided to support them with an organization that we created in Rome.
It's called, still to this day, it's called Italians for Trump.
Trampiani d'Italia, some call it.
And I founded together with a couple of politicians, Italian politicians.
One was Giammario Ferramonti, the co-founder of the Northern League.
And the other one was Antonio Maria Rinaldi, who became later on, is currently a member of the European Parliament.
And it was a very unusual organization because for the first time we were supporting a candidate who then became the American president.
But then we were also the first ones to greet him as American president abroad.
And in fact, Steve Bannon praised that organization.
And we became very known at the time because we were the only organization abroad that supported Trump, who had helped Trump also with the Italo-American community actively in Washington.
The Italo-American community is a very strong community here in America.
So we actually helped them very much.
But this also meant further persecution, because in Italy, those bunch of leftist, mafiosi, Jesuit stooges, they hated the fact that I was involved with Trump.
And so the persecution only increased for me.
But I am a guy who doesn't fear persecution.
If it happens, it happens.
Find hopefully a solution.
And my solution now is, of course, to finally become American and reject completely my Italian and European citizenship, because I think that Europe is finished, finito, and Italy is no longer the romantic place you have in the movies and stuff.
It's actually currently a nightmare with an invasion taking place from Northern Africa daily.
And the Vatican is encouraging all this, just as they're encouraging it here in America.
But I'm very glad that we have this beautiful constitution and the possibility of having freedom of speech and expression.
This is something that I don't think that the people here in America appreciate enough.
Here in America, you can actually criticize your president.
You know what happens by law if you criticize your president in Italy?
You end up with seven years in jail.
Wow.
As a journalist, I was condemned for what I wrote in both my books and my articles, risking with a criminal law.
It's not like here, you just get a lawsuit.
You end up in jail as a journalist.
That's how they silence people.
And so I hope that people realize these differences.
And the way that Italy now is evolving, of course, like the rest of Europe, in a clash between America and the Sino-Russian world order, it's being compressed and utterly destroyed.
The fact that we see here in America, fortunately, where some kind of democracy still exists, We have the Congress saying no to further founding of an unjust war in Ukraine, which is a complete waste of time, money and human resources.
But in Europe, they force people without any possibility of even going, you know, and saying, I, as Italy, don't want to support Ukraine.
No, you can't do that.
In Italy, it's a technocracy that forces every nation member to just blindly follow their diktat.
Technocracy is not democratic and they are in preparation now for the advent of cyber satan in 2001.
That would be when a country like Europe would simply be run by artificial intelligence, like other countries in the world, like China.
These are dictatorships.
They are not.
There is no future for democracy.
with the takeover of cyber Satan, which I have denounced in Trilogy, which I started with Volume 6.66.
Then I continued with Volume 7, which also talks about the dark, awful side of the world, the economic forum and Daos.
But then it continues with Volume 9, where I also explain what happens when quantum computing would merge with artificial intelligence and that Meaning the end of the world as we know it, because they will be capable of doing things that are completely incredible to our eyes.
I mean, Christians know that in the end times we will be misled by false prophets, by images that will be misleading, by false promises and everything else that goes with it.
But they don't really know how this will manifest.
But it's becoming kind of obvious that the Mark of the Beast is manifesting through the use of technology.
It's obvious that transhumanism is at that stage in which we will lose our humanity.
So my work is based on preserving that humanity, preserving our culture as humans, built in the reflection of God, And at the same time, trying to build an alternative.
Because like I said in Volume 7, I was in Volume 9, there is going to be a moment in which we will have to reject what they are proposing to us.
And we will no longer be able to live in smart cities, which will be controlled by the AI, just as we will no longer be able to drive cars if all the cars will be controlled by the AI.
Only if we retain, of course, our own traditional methods.
And so a conservative society these days doesn't mean necessarily the bigotry of some kind of image that some people might have about conservatives.
Here we're talking about simply conserving our human nature that is being led astray by the new technology.
And we have seen it just the other day with the launch of Gemini AI, what can happen when a woke engineer projects an AI which basically transforms suddenly Nazi soldiers in black soldiers, or suddenly the heroes of history change color, change identity, change race, all based, of course, on their walk in sand.
So here we have to fight in the immediate.
And of course, I think that California is the place which at the moment has more responsibility than any other place in the world.
Here we have delegated to China, of course, the construction of the hardware, of what we are using now, even now.
All this is probably all generated The software, the thing, is all generated in California.
So then you have the evil Governor Newsom, this Gavin Newsom, who of course bows down to China, is received in China like a great friend, because these people are interconnected.
And they are interconnected also because Chinese Freemasonry has been establishing itself for 200 years here.
in America and has their headquarters in San Francisco, something that not many people know.
The actual takeover and the last emperor, as you know, people hear about the movie The Last Emperor in China.
But everything was planned here in America and San Francisco in a lodge of Chinese Freemasons that still exists to this day.
So I hope that I gave you... No, that was great.
So, you know, some people, when you mentioned, you know, the Alex Jones, some people, you know, still skeptical about him, potential, you know... Well, I tell you one thing about Alex... You mentioned Trump.
I had high hopes for him.
He came in, he said he was going to drain the swamp.
He surrounded himself... The thing is, these are two different people.
These days, when it comes down to Alex Jones, I, myself, I'm a bit surprised about sometimes what's happening at InfoWars.
Like, for example, they didn't have me on in 2023.
They didn't have me on in 2024.
They gave me a banned video channel, but I'm not allowed on their shows any longer.
It seems like maybe my ideas, what I'm proposing is not in line.
I don't know.
I'm not happy about it, because I sacrificed a lot for working with Alex when I was back in Italy.
But, however, it is his choice.
I think that some things have probably changed, and this was confirmed also by some people internally to Evo, after the Sandy Hook and what happened with him being condemned with over a billion dollars and all that.
I understand there is maybe some problems there.
Having said that, regarding Trump, Trump was the guy who made it possible for me to have the green card.
Trump is the guy who made it possible for me to become Hopefully soon American and Trump is the guy who yes is no saint and he has done some great mistakes.
I didn't support absolutely his embracing of the I don't know if you want me to say it.
Injection.
We can call it injection.
We can say injection.
Yes, because I don't want to... Yeah, we just don't say the V and then I don't have to take it off of YouTube.
Usually the other platforms are fine.
But sometimes if we say some buzzwords and things, then I just have to put it private on YouTube.
But injection is fine because that can mean anything.
Okay, so the injection.
I was absolutely contrary to his endorsement, even the work that he did initially with Dr. Fauci.
I think Dr. Fauci completely duped him into believing I don't know what.
But having said all this, at the moment he's risking everything.
And when you risk everything, meaning everything, it's a little bit like, you know, I had the same kind of feeling when I was risking everything.
And then after I was forced into leaving Italy by a left-wing judiciary, completely biased, completely just like it's happening nowadays, where he has all these court cases, one after the other.
And when I arrived here in America in 2019, I went to visit Alex in Texas.
I told them, you know, all of you will have to expect this kind of attack.
Having said that, Of course, I am an independent person.
I do my own decisions and I work independently from Alex or from any other person.
But regarding Trump, I can say there is no other political choice in the US at the moment.
If you want to completely change America, well, I think that at the moment Trump is offering a solution.
A lot of people will say, ah, no, this, that.
Guys, other countries don't have, still, the little democracy that is left here in America.
Remember that.
You have never lived in a communist country if you never resided in Europe.
You don't know what it means to be smashed your door because of a Facebook post, like it happened to me.
To be threatened because of your beliefs.
This is not happening here in America.
Under the Biden era, he's starting to instrumentalize and to use FBI.
But it actually is happening in America.
No, but listen, so yesterday we just interviewed Alpha Warrior.
His name is Alfredo Luna.
He used to be a Marine.
He was in law enforcement.
He was an undercover gang, you know, agent, you know, working with the gang unit.
He actually was part of the J6 because some posts that he made on the internet, they came, they kicked in his door with the arm.
He wasn't even at, he wasn't even anywhere in part of J6.
This is starting to happen now, even with someone that was a military police officer.
And he actually wants me to connect with you.
So we actually talked.
I said, you're going to come on the show today.
He said he's actually been trying to reach you.
So I was going to link you guys up together, if that's something that you'd be interested in, because he's got his own podcast now as well.
But like I said, it's starting to happen here in America.
So after I arrived in America, then, of course, we know that Joe Biden, in one way or another, became president.
And from that moment onwards, unfortunately, things have changed and have changed for the worse.
So.
It's obvious that they are using the FBI, the DOJ, even the CIA, the NSA as instruments for suppressing the political opposition.
But like I said, In the political game, nobody is a saint.
My grandfather was a senator, so I learned a lot about politics from a very early age and about the corruption within politics from a very early age.
My grandfather was poisoned and died in 1974 because of politics.
He was actually poisoned with arsenic, even inside his coffee, within the Senate of Italy.
I know exactly what it means, the political game.
I know also that, like somebody said in the chat, a president doesn't really have real power when you have the military-industrial complex, the big pharma that are against you.
You will have to do some compromises.
And the system is unfortunately rigged to some extent.
Having said that, though, I still prefer to have Trump as president than anybody else.
And I know that that might not be popular with all your viewers, but that is the reality.
Because otherwise, what is the alternative?
The alternative is the Kennedy guy.
The Kennedy guy is a guy who is sustaining the most illegitimate of proposals, which Newsom is also sustaining.
The fact that we should give money to the descendants of slaves, when in California we didn't even have slavery!
That is your kind of candidate.
Welcome to Kennedy.
I mean, Kennedy, remember where he comes from, what is his family.
So I think that that is not really an option, a feasible option.
And that's why.
But politics, like we said, is a very corrupt game.
So you have to compromise here and there.
And it's not really the people with ultimate power.
The ultimate power, we know, is consisting of people which have billions of dollars and can Go in and out of the White House like Alex Soros, just like he's having, you know, oh, let me go to the White House and tell them what to do today.
The alternative of not voting, I think, is stupid.
Because this is a great right that we have.
But the thing though, it's all corrupted.
So they control both sides, right?
And they control the judges through the Freemasonry.
They control the lawyers through the Bar Association.
Let's make it clear.
There's only one side at the moment.
And the moment the side that is controlling the judiciary is left wing imposed since the end of the 60s.
They've been brainwashed.
They take control of the universities.
When you make a statement like this, you are not taking into account the fact that the universities are taken control by one side only.
Freemasonry here in California is progressive.
If I wear a MAGA hat and go in a lodge in California, I get kicked out of the lodge.
So let's be a little bit more accurate with this.
There is one side that is taking control.
The Illuminati are communists, are leftists.
Adam Bechart, disciple, created the League of the Just that in turn created the Manifesto of Karl Marx.
These are communists.
Mao Zedong was a communist, but he was also helped by the left-wingers here in America who were financed by the Rothschilds.
Jesuit, for sure.
So let's talk a little bit about who may be pulling these strings at the top echelon of things.
So we talked about how they have different tentacles everywhere.
The Freemasonry, the Jesuits, it's everywhere.
But who's on maybe the top of that pulling the strings?
Because some people believe it's the Jewish people that are controlling things.
Some people believe it's the Jesuits.
When you say Jewish people, that's really racist.
Yeah, I didn't say that.
Some people say that that is.
We have to be a little bit.
OK, it's like saying the African people or the African-American.
I mean, I'm not racist.
So let's not define people by race or by the color of the skin, but by the ideas and what they are proposing.
Zionism.
Some people say it's the Zionism.
And that's, that is another misunderstanding.
Within Judaism, you need to study Judaism.
Did you ever study Judaism?
Because Judaism is Shabbat HaAzevi, Nathan Gaza, Then there was Jacob Frank.
Do you know about these people?
Do you know how they evolved within the Jewish community, their blasphemous heresies?
Yeah, and they weren't even supposed to create the state of Israel.
This goes against the actual Jewish teachings.
When the Rothschilds came in, they're not supposed to actually have a state until the Messiah comes back.
So what they did in Israel actually goes against Judaism.
In the 1850s, Christian Zionism supported this idea and eventually it would be manifest.
With, of course, also the support of the Sabbatean Frankists.
So, first of all, we have to understand, is it wrong that we have a state of Israel?
Absolutely not, because in Europe, France and England and Russia push the Jews with pogroms, with persecution, to not have a home any longer in Europe.
So where the hell do you want them to go?
Now, a proposal was given and the proposal was, Should we bring them here?
Should we bring them there?
Should we bring them here?
Should we bring them there?
There was a bunch of proposals that were given, and at the end, of course, the Rothschilds, Sabbati and Frankists, with the Balfour Declaration, ended up with the recognition of what became the present state of Israel.
But can we condemn those people who then went to Israel, starting from the 1880s in large numbers, When they were pushed to go there, I'm doing the question to you.
Well, again, it goes against their teachings.
No, I'm not talking about their teachings, my friend.
I'm talking about the people who were picked up in villages, tortured and treated like animals, pogroms.
Have you ever heard of the pogroms in Russia or not?
Have you ever heard of the persecution of the Jews in Europe or not?
Because if you don't hear about that, then we are not on the same page.
I have, and the Bolsheviks infiltrated, the Bolsheviks came and infiltrated in Russia, you know, things that they teach about history.
A lot of it is fabricated just to get people angry about some of these issues.
History needs to be lived.
That's why I've been in Russia maybe, I don't know, 30 times.
I work with the Ministry of Culture of Russia.
I know a lot about Russia and even I think even some Russians don't know about I studied certain things.
And so, when it comes to Zionism, Zionism was a creation that was immediately infiltrated when they had these worldwide Jewish conferences to create this idea.
Eventually, things unfortunately went out of hand immediately because there is always the interest.
You have to understand, if the Ottoman Empire didn't end up, we would probably not have the present Jewish state.
The Israeli state is built upon what used to be Ottoman Empire territory.
For hundreds of years, the Ottoman ruled.
First of all, we need to go back to the whole story of the Ottoman.
Then there is the story of the Sejuq Turks, the takeover from the Caliphate of the Fatimids.
The Fatimids and then there was the Abbasid Caliphate.
You need to know all the history of Islam if you want to go right to the point of knowing the history where we are now and making certain assertions.
So it's very, I think it's very important That we realize that we can't, you know, the people that are being killed today, for example, in Gaza might be innocent, a lot of them.
But the same thing can be said for the people that on the 7th of October were picked up from their kibbutz, raped and other terrible things, kidnapped.
So generally, the majority of people have to suffer the consequences of decisions that are made in the upper insurance, where you were talking before, you say, who is in charge on top?
Those are the people, because then the normal folk, like me and you, the guy who doesn't have neither billions, neither political or religious influence, We are only subject to all this.
Now, when it comes to the 7th of October, of course, it might be partly what some people say a false flag.
No, it's basically what happens here is that a lot of people within the Jewish government close their eyes to what was about to happen.
And so that is the same thing that happened here in the U.S.
on 9-11.
People turned the other way while While Hatta and his bunch of terrorists were putting together their plan and they were, actually, we are talking about one of the most terrible moments in recent American history, 9-11, no?
You had Mohammed Hatta and his terrorists and everybody thinks, wow, these people, Behind them there was Osama Bin Laden and everything.
Then we realized a very different thing.
We realized that Muhammad Hatta was actually training himself a few miles from the Saratoga Elementary School, where George Bush will be reading that book and doing his pet goat ritual on that morning.
We discovered that basically Hatta went to Egypt and there he was brainwashed.
And then eventually he was presented for this operation to Osama Bin Laden.
Who himself have been a tool for decades of the CAA. - Okay.
We've had a few people that went extensively into 9-11.
We got Brian Stavely.
He's going to come, I think, next month.
I'm talking about 9-11.
Again, the power structure, where do you think the Khazarian Mafia kind of fits into what's going on?
The Khazarian Mafia is something I have debunked completely.
One of my shows showed also one book that I think is a great book that I have here that anybody can go and purchase if they want.
It's the Jews of Khazaria.
In which you can have basically a clear idea of everything simply by one thing.
There is no Khazarian identity because there is no Khazarian DNA.
When you don't have a DNA, you can't talk about the Khazarian.
The Khazarian were simply people who adopted the Jewish faith.
Now, for a long time, there has been a conspiracy theory saying that the Ashkenazis are in reality descended from the Khazarians.
No.
Absolutely not.
And when they did the DNA research, in the end, they proved that that is completely false.
So we have to go by science.
Now, there is two Jewish main... Now, there is the Sephardic Jews and the Ashkenazi Jews.
We have the Ashkenazi, the more European, lived in Central Europe mostly.
And then you have the Sephardic that are more, let's say, Middle Eastern looking, more dark.
And have so there's these two main branches, but the Kazarian doesn't have a DNA.
There is not a Kazarian DNA.
There is an Ashkenazi DNA.
There is a Sephardic DNA.
There is no Kazarian DNA.
So the Kazarian Mafia was a conspiracy theory that was created by the Sabbatean Frankies to cover up their own things.
Because Jacob Frank was born in Ukraine.
And Madame Blavatsky was born in Ukraine.
And these people are the people that screwed up the world.
Madame Blavatsky, with the foundation of the Theosophical Society that then gave birth to modern Satanism, with people like Alistair Crowley, Michael Aquino was part of the Theosophical Society and many others.
Modern Satanism would not be the same without the Theosophical Society.
When it comes instead to Jacob Frank, Jacob Frank was the guy who claimed to be the reincarnation of Sabbatai Zevi, who brought to the Catholic faith 20,000 converts in exchange of him being nobilitated and living in a great and sumptuous palace.
But then the teachings of Sabbatai Zevi that were claimed by his heir, Jacob Frank, became the teaching of his cousin.
The cousin of Jacob Frank founded an order, the Asian Brotherhood, which became in turn the people who founded the Bohemian Club.
So these are all interconnected.
So the moment in which you say Kazarian, yeah, but Kazarian, what is this Kazarian mafia What about Lucius Trust?
What do you know about the Luciferian Trust that became Lucius Trust?
That is another element that comes from the Theosophical Society.
The Theosophical Society was very important in the ground foundations of what later became the United Nations.
And basically, Lucy's Trust was a breakup from the Theosophical Society, the moment in which Alice Bailey wanted to simply put together with her husband, who was a Freemason, was very high up also in the Freemasons and the Illuminati.
And the Lucifer Trust was created as Lucifer Trust, then it was changed the name, of course, later on, because people were like, what is Lucifer?
You know, so the Lucis Trust, but it is still in existence.
It, of course, is still very influential.
But in general, the Theosophical Society was very influential right at the start of The United Nations.
And this is a topic which I discuss in Volume 9 in particular, because today the United Nations are on top of a series of institutions that is molding and crafting a future against any... When I said science before, science is often abused as a term.
Like, for example, we have the OMS.
We have, which basically we call OMS in Italy, but in reality it's the World Health Organization, which is now in the hands of China.
We have the FAO, the Agricultural Organization, which basically also of the United Nations in charge of all the food sector, the agricultural sector, and that is also now in the hands of China.
But these are the organizations like for example, that have then generated the Codex Alimentarius that then in turn is now pushing for the insect eating, you know, the various flour made of insects or generating meat out of a lab.
All this happens because there is these institutions that are generated from the United Nations.
And the United Nations, though, didn't just appear one day.
It was a project, a project, of course, with a Masonic backing.
You can see it from the symbol of the United Nations that it is a Masonic symbol.
And of course, we have within the headquarters that were created in New York, by the way, the land was given by the Rockefeller family, which is a very important family that also, together with the Rothschild, has been spearheading this New World Order.
And they have a room called the room of meditation, a room dedicated to prayer, which is basically a room, which instead it is to focus their egregore.
Egregore meaning a fourth form that they generate because the Theosophical Society always believed in the power of the fourth form of the egregore.
I don't know if you ever have discussed in your show this topic or not.
No, but I wanted to get your knowledge on, say, the Black Pope, the Grey Pope, the White Pope, you know, some of the bloodline families, the Orsini's, Sosa, Aldo Brandini's, you know, some of these family bloodlines and how they may be You know, kind of at the top pulling all the strings of all these different Masonry and Jesuits and Freemasons and Illuminati.
You know, what's your thoughts on the actual bloodlines, you know, maybe pulling the strings to everything that's going on?
We discussed at the beginning of the show the knighthoods, the various families that you just mentioned, the Orsini, the Brandini, the Colonna, many others within what is defined as the black aristocracy, meaning those aristocratic families that were more loyal to the Pope.
There was in the medieval times and later on a division between two factions, one loyal to the Pope and the other one Traditionally opposing the Pope.
And so these two factions were developed within the aristocracy and the faction closer to the Pope became the black aristocracy.
Usually the black aristocracy, the families that you mentioned, were given specific offices within the Vatican and some of them also, some of these families, like for example the Borghese, also family that was connected with With Napoleon, they also had the popes and stuff, but many others also had popes, cardinals.
Basically, they have been in charge, let's say.
They are in charge of these knighthoods.
Still to this day, a lot of them are in charge of these knighthoods within the Vatican.
That's why I told you the Illuminati and the knighthoods are one thing.
We can say that to this day their influence is still very much present.
If they control the whole world, I don't think so, because these days, yes, you have some of these families that, thanks to these knighthoods, are able to transversely be present in various countries.
Like, for example, the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre has even a Russian branch.
And also the Knights of Malta, through the Savoy family, has still dealings with the Vatican.
And is used these days, especially in times of turmoil for diplomatic means.
But having said that, there is not one single family or one single individual that controls the whole world.
If I was to say an office that is more influential than the other, definitely the office of Pope is the most influential.
But then there is also the office of Black Pope, which means the office of General of the Jesuits.
The Illuminati work as instruments, as agents of the Jesuits.
The agents of the Illuminati are like members of a Luciferian court in which the Jesuits, though, detain the ultimate control over spiritual or, let's say, means, while instead, for example, the Sabbatean Frankists detain more interest within the banking system.
You have both the Sabbatean Frankists at a worldwide level, people like the Rothschild, for example, their Sabbatean Frankists, that they made a deal with the Vatican creating a group known as the Council for Inclusive Capitalism, which is another important topic that I touch in my book, in which I explain how The Linda Rothschild connected also to the Democratic Party and Obama.
She is part of this council driving, connecting and controlling this Council for Inclusive Capitalism, which sees also the participation of Pier Giorgio Bassi, who is the vice president of the Academy of the Illuminati in Rome of Giuliano Di Bernardo.
So some people say Switzerland.
Switzerland is the place where Giuliano Di Bernardo created the Dignity Lodge and later on it will manifest in what is now known as the Dignity Order, which in turn He was very influential in places like Ukraine, Romania, but Ukraine in particular.
And that's why he gave birth to what is now known as the Day of Dignity in Ukraine.
So there is a lot of influence there.
So if I had to say the most influential people at the moment, definitely it would be the head of the Jesuits who is currently A friend of Pope Francis, always from South America, Sousa, a Venezuelan.
And then we have... But who is now the people currently doing crimes in the United States of America?
Question.
The Black Rock and Vanguard.
I'm talking about criminals that you hear every day in the news.
I'm talking about Venezuelans.
that are pushed into this country, criminals that have been pushed into this country deliberately.
Talk about MS-16 or like the gangs that come from there?
They're also part of gangs, but they're also part specific of Venezuela.
Venezuela is a country that, of course, has very good interest with both China and Russia, in which they are basically flooding America with older criminals so that these criminals can, like Central America, all those gangs, the gang you just mentioned, from the various parts of South America, Central America,
where these gangs are present, to destroy the very fabric where these gangs are present, to destroy the very fabric of American, of the American dream.
So- - Chavez used to be the president of Venezuela.
And at that time, he was actually a pretty good president.
He was aligned with Cuba and Russia and China, like you said.
And what happened was after President Chavez, and so after he died, that's when the destabilization of Venezuela happened.
And once the destabilization...
Personally, I don't think that being in line with China or Russia is necessarily a good thing.
Russia does some good things, but they do it for their own people.
I'm never in line with China.
I didn't say it was a good thing, that what he was doing for his people at the time, like gas, was at 8 cents a liter, like, you know, like 10 cents a gallon.
Everything was running fine until he died.
Yeah, but Chavez was a communist.
You can't say a communist does good things, because he might, you know, briefly do something good.
Because let's not forget that Chavez, first of all, had been a military before he was a politician.
What do you think of Muammar Gaddafi and how he treated his people?
Muammar Gaddafi also is a guy who had a lot of skeletons in the closet.
I mean, yes, he was eventually killed by the New World Order and that is something that has destabilized the whole of Northern Africa and that actually brings higher the threat of immigration because it's like lifting a tap You know, Libya was actually a very pleasant country.
I had my friend who I actually wrote a couple of books with, Princess Carol Nakamaru, who interviewed Muammar Gaddafi.
And he was a man for his people.
You see, the problem here is this.
But was he a communist or what?
Was he a dictator?
Absolute dictator.
I mean, you can't say that Gaddafi was a communist.
All these people who claim... I mean, communism is... In Italy, we have a saying, but I don't think I can say it here for your viewers because it's a little bit rude, but it's like you can do the communist with the ass of other people.
Yes, you can claim communism, like, for example, Kim Jong-un in North Korea, but I don't see Kim Jong-un as being a communist himself.
He's a dictator.
So, Gaddafi was another product, of course, of the Western elite who let him arrive to his position.
And when they decided that they had enough of him, they eliminated him.
And that is very sad, but that is the truth.
I think they've had enough.
I think he had enough with them.
He wanted to start doing off the gold standard.
He was doing a lot of good things for the people.
He was doing a lot of things that they didn't want.
I think it was him, the one who turned their back on.
Him, once he became to power, he actually wanted to do good things for his people.
And, you know, I've researched, you know, him quite extensively.
And he was trying to get all he was trying to free Africa from the New World Order.
He was trying to put everything on a goal.
You know, he was he he did a lot of good things for that country and his people.
Things up to a certain extent, because Libya was an Italian colony.
And you don't know the story of Libya, but Libya was an Italian colony.
In the early 70s, the Italians were kicked out.
People who owned land, who actually helped building his country, were kicked out brutally.
The Italians were forced out of Libya in a brutal way.
So that is not something that I personally think it was a positive thing.
No, obviously, he didn't do everything perfect.
He wasn't a saint, right?
No, no, no.
But, you know, dealing with dealing with these criminals, you know, Satanists that, you know, that, you know, have an alliance to Moloch.
And, you know, it's not the easiest thing to try to take the grips out of these countries because, you know, that this whole The system is infiltrated.
Every country on Earth is infiltrated by these people.
OK, first of all, all these countries were colonies.
Colonies of either Great Britain or France.
OK, so then Italy also intervened briefly and had a couple of colonies, but it wasn't like such a big deal because Mussolini didn't really manage to colonize much.
But anyway, These countries were all part of, you know, the colony that, I mean, when it came down to Libya, it expanded from what used to be a British colony.
And the Italian Empire conquest of Ottoman Tripolitania during the Italo-Turkish War then and all these things.
So it's a bit complex because the territorial agreement with It's a little bit like nowadays we have the Islamic fundamentalists who are basically a certain kind of fundamentalism, while we define the Sufis as these peaceful Sufis.
In that period, actually, All these northern African countries had movements that were terroristic in nature and they were Sufis.
So this is just to give you an idea of how things were a little bit different.
The problem here is basically the colonial powers.
Great Britain and France.
It was these powers who eventually generated the problem that we still suffer in the Middle East to this day, including the problems with Israel.
The Sykes-Picot Agreement was from 1916, and that was the secret meeting that was taking place between France and England, France and Great Britain, for the spheres of influence over the Middle East.
For example, England would say, I keep Egypt as a sphere of influence, you keep Lebanon as a sphere of influence.
These countries were generated artificially out of an empire that had ruled for hundreds of years, the Ottoman Empire.
Suddenly you have Jordan, suddenly you have Egypt, but they didn't exist before.
So these days, for example, everybody, oh, Israel, Israel, this, Israel, that.
OK, like I said before, where do you want the Jews to go?
To another planet?
Because they were not given any other chance.
So eventually they went to the Middle East, they created the country which actually Previously was a shithole, because you can go and check out how those territories were before the end of the 19th century.
It was an uninhabitable desert.
Most of what current Israel was, was a place you don't want to live.
The first Jewish immigrants who set place in those places said, this is a nightmare.
This is a nightmare.
I don't think the Palestinians would have that same view of their land where they were living for thousands of years, right?
Jesse, how many times have you been to the Middle East?
I haven't been there, no.
OK, I have been.
I have been married with a Muslim person.
I had my only child kidnapped by these Muslims.
I know how they operate.
Someone asked what the age was by your child when your child was kidnapped.
Earlier on, they asked that question when you talked about that.
Your child was a year and a half when they kidnapped?
Well, yes.
And you haven't seen your child since?
Yes.
OK, so I know exactly what it means for these people, and there will be some revelations made on certain topics that will, in my new book, I think, clear up this matter for a lot of people.
That's why I am producing a new book that will also explain how Islam developed, because people think of Islam as one religion.
Islam was born with the Prophet, but soon after the death of the Prophet, it kind of went into two different directions and then two different directions and went into several other directions.
Because there was the Cairo Lodge in Egypt, in existence since the time of ancient Egypt, this lodge.
Basically, when Islam started to develop in places like Persia and then Egypt, they went and annoyed people who were basically, who didn't really like Islam that much, let's say.
And so people like the Zoroastrians, the Manicheans, the Gnostics of various currents, they received Islam, but they said, well, we don't really like this religion, but we're gonna use this religion.
And that's when they started to create the Shiites, then the Shiites create the Fatimids, and then the Fatimids create the Ishmaelites, and then the Ishmaelites created the Druze, and so it became then a... but all this, of course, is In the land of secret societies, because the Illuminati and the secret societies are basically from that area of the world.
That's where, before Freemasonry ever was in Europe or anything, the secret societies of the world were born between present day Syria, Iran, Iraq and Egypt.
These are the countries where secret societies developed originally as a concept.
Then you have the Knights Templars who picked up certain concepts they found in the Middle East and they developed them to create this order which now we all know, the Knights Templars.
Yes, but let's go and study the Knights Templars.
How they were born?
Who created them?
Why they were founded in Jerusalem?
And then we discover that...
The legacy there goes back a long way, and it goes into those secret societies in the Middle East, which a lot of people know little or nothing about.
When we said about Mohamed Akhtar before, we know that Mohamed Akhtar worked for George W. Bush and the Bush family, basically, because that's how it worked out.
But do you know that Mohamed Akhtar was basically an Ashashin?
And the Ashashins were Nizaris, and the Nizaris were basically the people that were protecting Osama Bin Laden until eventually he was brought out of this world.
And they are not Sunni, but instead Osama Bin Laden was Sunni and Wahhabi.
And how did the Wahhabi develop?
And why did they develop?
So, these are things that people need to know a little bit more about before they can open their mouth.
Hamas is a monster.
Hamas, in the end of the 80s, in 1988, issued their manifesto.
Go and read their manifesto.
It spews antisemitic from the beginning to the end and talks about the protocols of the Sages of Zion.
Now, if you believe in the protocols of the Sages of Zion, well, Bingo!
That means that you have understood nothing because the Prodigal Ages of Zion were built by the Russian secret intelligence together with the Memphis and Misrine Freemasons in France and became what then, unfortunately, has led to a lot of... Some people ask about the Druzes.
The Druzes, of course, have influenced so much, even Freemasonry, that Albert Pike or other Maquis or many other Masonic authors talk about the Druzes.
The secrets of the Druzes will be revealed in my next book.
Well, thank you so much.
I know you wanted to wrap up kind of at this time.
I'd like to book you on again, because I think you're just such a wealth of knowledge.
And I really think that... To somebody who created Hamas.
Hamas was created by the Muslim Brotherhood, who in turn was created by British Freemasonry.
And this happened in Egypt.
And it's not a conspiracy theory.
There is hard evidence for this.
So it's not like it's historic evidence.
So Hamas is simply another tool.
These tools of hate and division between all these religions have been created in the name of what the Latins used to say, dividi et impera, divide and conquer, because in the end we are divided, each one on a reach.
Oh no, but this, oh no, but I believe it's this rather than that.
No, it's a unitarian conspiracy in the end of people who control us simply because we let this control happen because of our ignorance.
Let's not forget that.
In most cases we let them control us.
Let's wrap it up here with you saying, what do you think people should be doing right now to help us lessen that control, to stop the control that they do have over us?
Any, you know, good ideas that you can leave us off with, you know, for everybody that, and there is like, you know, almost 200 people watching here live right now, you know, and the thousands of people that are going to watch this on replay.
Like I explained in both Volume 7 and Volume 9, there is a moment in which we will have to go off the grid in the next six years before 2030.
A moment in which we will have to renounce the possibility of living with people who have made a different choice.
So, at the moment we are still amicably together, even if this amicable is not so amicable, because we are becoming more and more divided.
If we manage to survive in this way, that's OK in the United States of America.
But if the United States of America become the divided States of America, well, then it's going to be a very different situation.
So I have a plan and the plan is to go off the grid with like minded people and to create the basis for a civilization which rejects what they are proposing.
If that makes it clear for you, Jesse.
100%.
So tell people what they can find on your website, how they can get your books, how they could reach you.
If anybody wanted to contact you, tell us a little bit about, you know, how people can find you and your work.
Sure.
All my contacts are on leozegami.com, my website, where you find also the links to my latest books.
You find also my mail and everything.
I mean, I have also my own shows that I try to do on YouTube, even if I've been censored so many times that nowadays I'm like left to small channels.
But we continue.
We continue.
I try to be present like you on many different platforms.
It's not easy.
It's not easy because censorship is always present.
I mean, just two days ago, I was just posting a video of my Italian show.
And while I was posting it, simply saying the show is this and this other time, Facebook was saying, well, you have another post like this.
And they were racist.
Well, what is racist about saying that I have a show at one o'clock?
Nothing.
But, you know, it's unfortunate, but they are controlling and the CIA, of course, is controlling Google as well as Meta and other platforms.
So we are on platforms that are defined by former agents of the CIA, because nowadays it's almost like Thank you for having me on, Jesse.
last few decades.
The people who work at the CIA then go on into the civil sector working for these companies.
And we are supposed to believe they're no longer working for the CIA.
Yes, sure.
That's it.
Thank you for having me on, Jesse.
God bless you and God bless all our viewers for this great opportunity.
Thank you.
And may the source be with you.
We flew under the radar for the last three years on Facebook.
We didn't have any issues.
Last night when we interviewed this Marine who's been battling this New World Order in the system, they hit us and they kicked us right off the interview.
They told us we had a copyright strike for um some music that was being played that was never played we didn't even play any music i was just talking to him like this and all of a sudden it deleted and it showed us that there was a it says that there was copy
we were deleted in 230 countries that that interview got deleted and then so after the interview is done i uh appealed it and i guess the video is back up now or whatever but they just didn't want people reaching the information but everybody went to they do that every week when i broadcast on facebook and every week i appeal it and every week i get the same result which is it goes back on because they don't have anything to do You know, it's it's like crazy.
Like last week, we broadcast the video of Alexei Navalny's assistant asking for 10 to 20 million dollars to the MI6 agent from the English embassy in Moscow.
And at that point, They, after a few days, they came on to me and they took away the video from all the various platforms, without a strike from YouTube.
And so I simply put it back in, you know, and it's only on one of the channels.
I put it back in, they had the courage to say, and then I appealed it.
So it's just like, There is a constant monitoring of people like us who are trying to bring people closer to the light, to the truth.
It's part of the game, I guess, so we have to go along with it.
That's why we're on so many different platforms in case they do one thing to one.
You can find us on all the other different places.
We upload it everywhere.
We're trying to do the best that we can to get out to as many people as we can.
So thank you so much again.
Remember, remember, books, books are Something tangible.
And that's why I always suggest people to take the hard copy, the whatever.
I mean, the printed out copy, because when you have a digital format, you are always in the hands of the enemy and the artificial intelligence could intervene in any moment and delete your digital library.
And so have a hard library made of books, paper books.
The only thing we can do is set them on fire, but I hope we can avoid that.
And maybe we can hide them somewhere.
And that's something I wanted to talk to you about.
If we're getting all signed copies of all your books, I wanted to somehow figure that out, Tom.
So we actually have everybody that's on the missing link.
I'm looking to get signed copies, but I'll talk to you about that again.
Are you interested in coming back in a few months?
Sure, absolutely.
I will come back in a few months, hopefully to present my latest book.
Okay.
Do you know of a date?
Because we'll book you just afterwards.
So that way we can help you promote that book.
I can't be sure.
It's, you know, in the next couple of two or three months.
Let's say I will give you the date.
As soon as I know the date for sure, I send you a mail.
Okay, perfect.
We've got a few openings left in May.
That's over three months from now.
So maybe that's a good time.
Hopefully it should be the right time.
Okay, perfect.
Well, thank you so much for your time.
Best of luck with your citizenship.
I know that, you know, you got some work to do there and, you know, to make that happen.
May the Source be with you.
Protection among you and all your family and everything that you're doing, you know, great work that you're doing.
We have one more missing link today at 7 30 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time with Tony Wells.
She was a sheriff that obviously has been impacted over this last four years.
She wants to protect the children and what's been happening.
So awesome.
Thanks again.
And we'll see you next time.
We see you.
Knowledge is power.
The more knowledge we have collectively, Let's make it in May.
Let's make it in May with my new book.
Take care.
Okay.
Bye, everyone.
We'll see you next time.
We see you in Knowledge is Power.
The more knowledge we all have collectively, the less power they have over us.
So, thanks again.
This was another epic missing link.
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Not everyone's going to be your cup of tea.
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But we have so many interviews that, you know, hopefully there are people that you do resonate with, that you do learn from, that you do appreciate.
And just be respectful is all we ask.
And, you know, our chat has been super respectful of the people, even if they didn't agree.
The questions are great.
I just admire your meekness and how you remain your posture so calmly and clear.
Thanks Georgina!
We've done 682 interviews so far.
This is our 682nd interview so practice does make perfect or at least looking to perfect this and I do have an actual You know, curiosity from everyone that comes to present their information here, you know, for us.
Like I said, not everybody's for everybody.
Some people come with some pretty wild, you know, stories or, you know, things that have happened in their life.
But I come from an honest place that I'm just trying to get their information out the best that I can.
So love you all.
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