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Feb. 22, 2024 - The Leo Zagami Show

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LEO ZAGAMI: GOALS OF THE ILLUMINATI

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	. Now Schwab is a product of that.
	Klaus Schwab's father was working with the Nazis.
	And if it wasn't for those very courageous Norwegians that sabotaged the heavy water project of the Nazis, we would have a different world today.
	We're talking about a world that will be led, like in the fictions on TV, by the Nazis, that make hypothetical fictions about how the world will be if the Nazis were the winners.
	Well, they will have been the winners.
	And it was, for me, I remember...
	Very big day, the moment in which I went to this conference of one of those people, one of these old Norwegians who gave his, I mean, who risked his life surviving and sabotaging what could have really changed the course of history.
	So that was something that people don't see about Klaus Schwab, who actually used Jewish labor from the camps.
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	Welcome to Business Game Changers.
	I'm Sarah Westahl.
	I have Leo Zagami joining the program.
	This isn't in the works.
	I've been trying to get him for a while and we just stopped.
	We tried probably about four years ago to do this interview and then I just never connected with him.
	COVID happened.
	So, you know, all that.
	And then I'm like, I need to get him on.
	So this is a very eye-opening conversation about the Illuminati.
	If you really want an eye-opening, you want to buy his books which you can get at leozugami.com.
	I have the link below.
	He has a ton of them and we're going to be talking about The rituals that go on, but beyond that, which he says is kind of trivial, it's what everybody focuses on, it's kind of the glitz and the glamour, but really what's happening behind the scenes is so more geopolitical.
	We talk about Putin, we talk about Tucker Carlson, is he a CIA asset?
	I gotta tell you, you know, we just talked at the World Government Summit, which is a World Economic Forum organization, you know, with all the sustainability goals and things.
	How many people are asked to speak at a summit like that who's really an independent journalist that's there challenging the establishment?
	I mean, I don't know guys, you know, here's a picture of him doing that.
	I don't know, maybe he can come out and tell us more and we talk about his background.
	That being said, we dive into all sorts of areas.
	For my subscribers of Substack, I did an exclusive for you with him and we're going to be talking about the Bohemian Grove and some other Some other topics that he has dived into.
	We also talk about the agenda behind the LGBTQ and how he's seeing that in the Freemason societies and the role of women.
	It's a good conversation.
	In fact, I almost liked that better.
	So I apologize.
	I got good there once we decided we're going to put it up on Substack.
	So go to sarahwestall.substack.com And you can, if you become a paying subscriber, you can see that additional interview clip there.
	Okay, let's get into my really interesting interview with Leo Zagami.
	Hi, Leo.
	Welcome to the program.
	The pleasure being for the first time with you and this new audience that hopefully will appreciate what we're going to be talking about today.
	Yeah, well, you're someone I've been wanting to interview for a while.
	We tried to before in the past and never could get connected.
	I'm like, okay, I got to interview this guy.
	I think people will be impressed with your background.
	Can you first, before we dive into some pretty intense subjects, can you talk about your background and how you became so familiar with the Illuminati through your family and, you know, your background?
	Well, I was born in Rome in 1970.
	My father was a psychiatrist who dealt also with awkward subjects because he was a Jungian psychiatrist.
	But at the same time, he was the son of Senator Leopoldo Zegami, who was a very influential politician in Italy.
	A Freemason, of course, like many.
	And my father didn't join the Freemasons, but my grandfather and most of my family before that was always involved with Freemasonry on both my paternal side and my mother's side, which instead is connected to the royal family because my mother, Jessica Lyon Young, is basically the daughter of the cousin of the Queen Mother.
	So we are I'm involved in an elitarian, let's say, background, which helped me understand a lot of things since a young age, but also as a maverick, both before I started Of course, my exposure work, I worked in the entertainment world as a record producer, a DJ, but also as a journalist.
	And as a journalist, I learned from one of the masses of journalism back in Italy, who was Dino D'Arcangelo from La Repubblica back then, especially Within the subject, which was entertainment.
	But not only that, because entertainment can be many things.
	As I explained in Volume 8 of my Confessions, which is dedicated also to the Illuminati involvement in the world of cinema, music, and so on.
	However, when you talk about the Illuminati, we have to also be very specific, because otherwise people will say this is a conspiracy theory, there's no fundament in it.
	So I always made clear From Volume 1 of my Confessions of an Illuminati that the Illuminati is not only Adam Bishop's Illuminati, but I put under this umbrella name, let's say, a number of secret societies that have been active since ancient times and that have, of course, in one way or another,
	Now, of course, Adam Bishop's Illuminati is the most well-known because he gave himself this name, but there were also other Illuminati even in his time.
	For example, the Illuminati of Avignon in France, created by a French monk called Dom Pernetti, that was still a very influential secret society at that time, but is maybe less known, and there is also other secret societies that like to be called within their close circle Illuminati.
	So I think that it's important to first of all define that.
	My own experience was a direct experience because I grew up surrounded by a great family library.
	My direct experience is the fact that I was able to travel since a young age.
	My father's studies and research brought us when I was only six years old in India, Sri Lanka, for many months living in places very exotic, very different, and also
	with the connection that my father had to these studies, this research that he was conducting, which was always aimed to unveil something more, because in the middle of the 70s he abandoned the classical academic world, which he represented as also a disciple of Carl Gustav Jung, but also working for Maier, who was the direct heir of Jung in Switzerland.
	This was, I mean, I can make, I can sum up like that.
	My background then, of course, was made up also out of direct experience because in the early 90s, in 1993, I was initiated in Freemasonry.
	in the Illuminati of the New World Order by a family friend, Prince Ariad di Monterreale.
	You can go and check out his Wikipedia.
	He was also a senator connected to the Monarchic Party, which basically was also the party that initially my grandfather Lopoldo was part of.
	So family connections brought me into this reality from a very early age.
	I was privileged to be a testimony of this reality, but also around 33, 34, 35 years of age, I started to doubt what I was involved in.
	And eventually in 2006, in the fall of 2006, I started a blog to expose my previous experiences.
	Of course, that was the first time that an actual member of this kind of secret societies that are not accessible to anyone published not only names, But also places, location, dates and documents.
	And that brought me very quickly to the accusation of espionage in Norway, which was dropped only in 2010.
	But I went through, of course, the hideous experience of having everything confiscated, everything frozen, and also without any means for surviving.
	So I was forced eventually, after 15 years of living abroad, because I had left Italy in 1994, For me, it was a year in which the first republic in Italy fell, and there was the second republic, and Italy was in turmoil, especially the Masonic world in which I had been just initiated.
	So I decided to leave Italy.
	I was regularized under the United Generalities of England for a brief period.
	Then I got initiated in various other secret societies in England, also in Norway, and I participated, like I said, in what you refer to often as the New World Order, so that is my direct experience.
	a journalist.
	And so at one point, I understood that what I was seeing was wrong.
	And what I was siding with was wrong.
	So as a journalist, I decided to start putting aside certain documents, certain images that could eventually later on prove that I was part of all this, because these are very secretive environments.
	But when I came out in the public with all this, Initially with a blog on Squarespace that was soon censored because Squarespace after two months, the guy who created Squarespace sent me a personal mail saying that they could no longer carry on my site.
	And now, of course, Squarespace is a big company, billions and all that, making their ads on the Super Bowl and all that.
	But at the time, it was a small company.
	And so that coincided also with a visit by the Norwegian intelligence services that threatened me very much directly with what used to be also my first wife, and they threatened to take our children to basically my child and also her previous child from a previous marriage.
	So it was a very direct threat that they gave.
	But I didn't give up, and so I went on with my revelations.
	Eventually, I would lose, unfortunately, the possibility of ever seeing my child again because they convinced my first wife to side with them, promises of money, of course, comfort and riches.
	It's very easy then.
	to get corrupted if you're not a person, of course, of sound morals.
	And so I was betrayed and I ended up in trouble.
	And that led me to the accusation of espionage, which was eventually dropped by the Norwegian PST in 2010.
	But in those years, then, I was forced to go back to Italy, which was a country that, of course, is the home of the Vatican.
	And as I started also being very critical of the Vatican, being in Italy wasn't really easy.
	But soon after, I was approached also by a Vatican representative who said, listen, if you don't publish any books here, if you don't make any noise here, you can't carry on and we can actually even give you money and make you a response.
	So I refused all that.
	I had already published from 2009, thanks to What became after my second wife, my first books in the Japanese language as she used to work in Japan, we went to Tokyo and met there the former representative of Forbes and I wrote with him a few books.
	I started my career basically as a writer back then in Japan and then I
	Like I said, in 2012, though, I started to publish in Italian, and that was the beginning of my troubles there in Italy that ended up with me having to flee the country seven years later in 2019, because the laws that are in Italy, they are very strict on journalists and on authors.
	Whatever you write is also a criminal offense, and you can end up in jail for what you write.
	So it's not only a lawsuit I was facing.
	And for that reason, I had to flee that country and I'm now residing in the United States of America.
	Well, our freedom of speech is so precious, although, you know, that's how we can actually confront these evils that we're dealing with.
	You did some pretty good disclosures over the years that, you know, you worked with InfoWars on the, I think, the Bohemian Grove and some of those things.
	2015, Alex, who actually for a number of years had been quite critical of my work, came to apologize with me in Rome and to produce a documentary together based on the Vatican.
	The Possession of the Vatican Exposed was basically a documentary we created in the summer of 2015, when we also came together to decide if we were to support or not Donald J. Trump.
	And when we decided to support Donald J. Trump, both me and Alex, I created, together with other important Italian politicians, an organization called Italians for Trump, which was a very original and very unique organization, the only organization that supported Donald which was a very original and very unique organization, the only organization that supported Donald J. Trump from his primaries, so not even from
	In a foreign country, with later on also the support of the Italian American community here in America.
	We have the connections directly with the big organizations of the Italian American community here.
	And so it became a very interesting situation, but also a very dangerous one for me, because in Italy those leftists never forgive me.
	However, when there was the Donald J. Trump took his off of office.
	We were the only organization in the world, and you can go and check out in the newspapers.
	In fact, we were featured on all the major newspapers that organized a major event in front of the American Embassy and also in front of the Italian Parliament in a beautiful palace.
	Which guested all the VIPs of Italy, and we created, like I said, also an event that was heard of and spoken of even by people like Steve Bannon, who were basically very adamant in saying that the support of Donald J. Trump was not only in America, but was worldwide.
	However, this was a very unique, I repeat, experience and also a very unique organization that was put together in Italy.
	Italians for Trump no longer, I think to my knowledge, is active because then, of course, nowadays we are in a completely different situation.
	I had to flee the country.
	The people that were working with me, one of them became a European Union Parliament representative, Antonio Maria Rinaldi, and the other one at the moment I don't think is particularly active.
	But I think that the point of it all was that for me to see how corrupt was the world of politics.
	Of course, my grandfather was a senator, but I got involved directly with Italian politics in 2013 in their election.
	I was a candidate for Berlusconi.
	I didn't win, of course.
	I didn't succeed the parliament due to a lot of corruption that I faced myself and within the party, even of Berlusconi.
	And then later on, I participated to the pitchfork revolution, which was almost like the farmers, what they're doing today in Europe.
	And some, in fact, some of their representatives are the same.
	And I got in trouble because they didn't like that guy as prominent as me from a good family and everything was actually participating with the farmers and the people from, you know, the peasants, as the aristocrats would say in the old days.
	And I was siding with them and that didn't go so well as So they came to me, they locked me up, they broke my door like they did with Roger Stone.
	And in fact, Roger knows this very well because he even himself has said that at one point he was forbidden to be in contact with me.
	So the situation got very heated in Italy for me and I eventually left.
	These days I still have a channel on Band of Video thanks to Alex Jones.
	But it's becoming increasingly difficult to put my work through even on InfoWars because there is, of course, a lot of pressure to keep me silent on certain topics.
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	Well, I want to talk about that because it seems that a lot of these people that you're talking about have weirdly... Okay, I want to talk about the World Government Organization.
	I want to talk about Tucker Carlson, who spoke at this, which was clearly a UN globalist.
	And then I want to tie it back into some of these people that you brought up.
	Can you talk a little bit about Tucker Carlson, what the heck is with him and this world government Okay, the World Government Summit Strategic Partners are basically another outlet of the World Economic Forum.
	In fact, they were founded with Klaus Schwab.
	In my book, Volume 9 of my confessions, which I have here, and it's basically a book which I suggest you read if you want to start reading my books because you don't have to read the ones before that.
	Both volume 8 and volume 9 you can read separately from all the others.
	So in this book in particular, I dedicated a whole space to the World Government Summit, the creation by Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoun and Mohammed al-Ghiawi that started this new project for the New World Order around 10 years ago.
	And I explained how it started basically in 2015.
	I think they changed their name, actually, because they already started, but then they changed their name.
	And it is, of course, an outlet of the New World Order.
	However, I have seen Tucker's interview done by an Arab journalist present there at this World Government Summit.
	And I can share some, I mean, some of the things that he said are quite okay for me.
	I mean, his own experience of Moscow, a city which I have visited probably over 20 or 30 times myself.
	I lost count how many times I visited Moscow because I used to work in Russia a lot.
	And I think that what he said is actually true.
	I mean, the fact that there is no longer American cities that look like that, that's completely true.
	That's a city that is very clean, very nice, starting from, of course, the legendary underground made out of marble and all nice.
	But it's not only that.
	It's a city where you don't have crime because you have crime here in America because you have a political party that is embedded with gangsters, hookers, drug dealers.
	That's right.
	I mean, when they do their parties, Barack Hussein Obama is basically a pimp.
	So, I mean, this is what you have in America.
	If we don't remove all that from our cities and from our culture here in America, we will be in great trouble.
	But just like Tucker said, I'm an American.
	I'm soon going to be an American myself.
	And so I understand also that it was quite controversial, the fact that he went to what is, at least in theory, an enemy country of some kind.
	Even if that happened because of us, because of our own doing.
	I had said this a long time ago on InfoWars, and I wrote it in a series of articles and in my books, especially in Volume 9, I explained how the Ukrainian identity was artificially created in the last two centuries thanks to a number of secret societies, which I list in my book.
	So it's not like the Illuminati.
	It's a number of secret societies, names, Surnames, dates, that is how you make journalism.
	And so I respected my past, which is of course something that will not go away.
	It's a past in which I was involved with these people myself.
	But I also respect the decisions I made in my past, and one of them was to reject having an office in the United Nations, which was offered to me by Comandante Giorgio Balistrieri in 2006.
	So, I mean, not anybody gets offered an office in the United Nations headquarters in New York.
	I was offered that, and I refused that.
	And nowadays, I have to deal with selling my books and trying to get an outlet that maybe will accept an honest conversation like you are doing today, which is very refreshing for me.
	But having said that, Tucker is a very suspicious character from the start because his father was part of Project Mockingbird, basically.
	Now, regardless of whatever anybody can say, you know, you are always connected to your own father, even myself.
	for it.
	I'm in a way a product of my father's work.
	So the same can be said for Tucker.
	Now, Tucker, of course, wanted to join the CIA, but he didn't manage to join the CIA.
	Or did Putin say that simply to signal to him that he knew that he had joined, but without That's right.
	That is possible.
	I guess that's my outcome of that.
	Not to interrupt you, but my outcome of that is that Putin was trying to tell the world that he's part of the CIA.
	And there's multiple times he said that.
	When the North Stream Pipeline was bombed, he said, you bombed it.
	And then he said, the CIA bombed it.
	But we have to understand how Putin talks.
	I know.
	Yeah, he could be doing a sci-fi too, but go ahead.
	I had the opportunity myself to be very close to Putin and to his entourage.
	And I met him at least two times.
	I didn't have a conversation with him, we simply met in public.
	I mean, once in a restaurant, the other time it was him passing with his entourage in his car, stopping, and we were I was in the car with one of his close friends, so he basically stopped to say hi, nothing more.
	But having said that, and knowing a lot about Russia, it's also possible that Tackett hasn't joined the CA, and that that interview was actually granted because he's not in the CA.
	And so we have to be honest that there is two possibilities here and that they are equally plausible.
	But at the same time, we can never know the truth.
	But we can know the truth about his father.
	And one thing interesting about what he said at the World Government Summit.
	was a little thing he said about the fact his father used to work for the government, and he was at one point also stationed in Moscow.
	So the thing is this.
	The father officially was a journalist.
	But at the same time, it seems like maybe he was something more.
	And of course, he didn't say that Voice of America was simply an outlet of journalism.
	He said he was working for the government.
	He said that in the interview.
	This is an admission, but of course, like I said, Tucker can be a maverick.
	I myself am a maverick, with most of my family considering me actually at times dangerous for them.
	I had to face that over and over again.
	That's why I live as far as possible from them on the other side of the world, a little bit like Prince Harry does.
	But that is what happens when you have a family which maybe is so involved in certain things.
	Yeah, but what person, what independent journalist that's bucking the establishment gets invitation to the World Government Summit?
	Now, that is something a bit, let's say, suspicious, to say the least, because like I said, it's connected to the World Economic Forum.
	is connected to the Illuminati of today that like to see themselves as the philosopher kings of this new millennium.
	And when I say philosopher kings, I go back to the Greek philosopher Plato and I go back to these global elites that are in a way trying to rule with the idea that they are, in any I go back to the Greek philosopher Plato and I go back to these global elites that So the fact that the attacker who wants to be a man of the people goes and mingles with those people, that is not a positive thing.
	I mean, he could at least tell us now when he comes back from it, seriously.
	Something about it.
	I mean, it can be at least critical about it because there's a lot to be critical about the organization that has been put up by these sheiks with the help of Klaus Schwab.
	I mean, Klaus Schwab is not just a simple guy.
	Klaus Schwab, and in 2018, The World Government Summit was dedicated to Global AI Governance Forum highlights.
	I mean, they were already dedicated to the artificial intelligence takeover that they are aiding and they're hoping will pass through in the next few years.
	So, for a complete takeover in the year 2030.
	Now, this is, of course, stuff which I explained especially in my book starting from volume 6.66, then volume seven, which also talk about the occult roots of the great reset, meaning which are the occult roots of Klaus Schwab, Where does his World Economic Forum come from?
	So then we have to explain the Club of Rome, which inspired him.
	We have to explain the Red Bishop, so-called Red Bishop, who was his friend and who he invited in 1974, I think, in Davos to bless a very controversial figure, which basically I talk about here in the last chapter of Volume 7.
	There is also a connection with the Illuminati.
	We're talking about the real Illuminati, meaning the ones connected to Adam Bechart.
	We're talking about Switzerland, Germany and Austria.
	These three places are really the key to understand.
	If you want to understand the order of the Illuminati and Bechart and its legacy, you have to go in its birthplace and you have to go in surrounding areas.
	So Klaus Schwab comes from there.
	Klaus Schwab is a product of that.
	Klaus Schwab's father was working with the Nazis.
	And if it wasn't for those very courageous Norwegians that sabotaged the heavy water project of the Nazis, we would have a different world today.
	We're talking about a world that will be led, like in the fictions on TV, by the Nazis that make hypothetical fictions about how the world will be if the Nazis were the winners.
	Well, they will have been the winners.
	And it was, for me, I remember...
	Very big day, the moment in which I went to this conference of one of those people, one of these old Norwegians who gave his, I mean, who risked his life surviving and sabotaging what could have really changed the course of history.
	So that was something that people don't see about Klaus Schwab, who actually used Jewish labor from the camps.
	I mean, his father, he was just born.
	I mean, he's born in 1938, so he was just born when Adolf Hitler started the war.
	But his father was heavily involved, and his family was involved with the company that he represented until the 60s when he himself, though, facilitated the nukes for Israel and for South Africa, meaning, like I explained in volume seven, that he has influenced the course of history to this day.
	I mean, who can say to me that putting the nukes in Israel hasn't influenced the course of history?
	I mean, we're talking about making Israel a nuclear power in the middle of an area surrounded by all those Muslims of various factions that of course are now fighting over and over again Israel.
	But this also is a result of what was made by the Illuminati in Europe.
	the English, the French, nothing to do with those Muslim countries that from the beginning have been manipulated.
	I mean, from the beginning, I'm talking about going back a thousand years.
	So then you have to study all the various factions of Islam.
	At the moment, we know that the two main factions, the Shiite and the Sunni, are divided in Sunni working for the West, Shiite working for Russia and China.
	So this is now the new game.
	However, it's only a game because it's a game of destroying, conquering, sabotaging, and basically getting a whole area of the world unstable so they can use it for money and making profits with the military.
	That's a complex.
	When people ask me, why is Nikki Haley still bothering to be in a race?
	Because she has already a job at Lockheed Martin for her when she finishes this whole theater she's doing.
	She knows exactly she will never be ever elected.
	She knows that in one year from now, she will not even be in politics, but she will get a big paycheck Her job is to just antagonize and put stuff out there and try to hurt Trump along the way.
	That's what it looks like.
	But let's go back to a little bit about this independent media.
	You have a journalism background, so you're seeing all these mainstream media people, Tucker being the most famous, coming out as if they suddenly had a change of heart.
	This is not news.
	I mean, this is not a novelty, because since the 70s we know about Project Mockingbird, Operation Mockingbird, and basically the CIA being in bed with journalists so they could provide them constantly with news to report on.
	It's obvious that then in that way you're not really an investigative journalist.
	You're just a tool who picks up very easily information that they provide for him.
	At times you don't even write anything because the ghostwriter from the intelligence writes everything for you, gives you the articles, goes to press and puts your name.
	I mean, that is very easy.
	It's not journalism.
	And it is, of course, damaging real journalists, which I personally think at the moment are very scarce, very rare.
	Rare is scarce.
	You're right.
	So Tucker's thing of going there and doing this interview, regardless of all the presumptions that we can have, still has a positive impact in the world of journalism because it shows that if you want to really make journalism well, you have to go out of your way and you have to go and interview the protagonists of this time, regardless of their political or religious background.
	That's right.
	This is valid not only for Putin, but it's valid for Kim Jong-un, for anybody in the world.
	These people, I mean, who has interviewed lately Kim Jong-un?
	Now, I, for example, worked, I wrote two books with Princess Karuna Kamaru, who is also a journalist, who is also somebody who knew the family of Kim Jong-un, the grandfather, she was the only one present there In the 1970s, I remember, by chance, and she became the journalist of the year by simply reporting on what was going on in the transition between the death of one family member to the other in the dictatorship of North Korea.
	And that was incredible journalism.
	And then she interviewed Gaddafi, she interviewed this and this other, and many journalists have done the same things.
	A lot of them have done it with genuine intentions.
	A lot more, I think, have always done it under the directive of the CIA or their local intelligence agency, which operates together with the CIA.
	And so in the end, it's like basically sending a spy in the home of somebody and report.
	Now, my impression on Tucker sincerely is that I hope, at least, really, I hope that it's genuine, because I don't think, really, that they would have let an agent inside the Kremlin this way, because it is very secretive, very delicate, what goes on there.
	They don't like to have anybody seeing how the whole place is set up, also for security reasons.
	So, the fact that he even had, later on, a private conversation, which we have not made a preview of, we don't know anything about his private conversation, which he has confirmed at the World Summit.
	So, here I think of Tucker in two ways.
	Either he's being used by Klaus Schwab as an emissary.
	The West is panicking.
	We don't know what to do.
	and he's there with his, you know, checkmate.
	So what are you gonna do now? - Yeah, I just wonder, an average person- - West is panicking.
	- Go ahead.
	- West is panicking, we don't know what to do.
	Okay, let's send this guy, Tucker Carlson, to see if we can work out the deal behind the scenes.
	- Yeah, I think there was part of that, That's what I don't know.
	But there are some positives.
	Negotiating and dealing with this Ukraine issue, getting people to realize that real journalism takes conversations.
	I think all of that is true.
	There's a lot of positives.
	But, you know, we've been snowed and lied to.
	Tucker has pointed out in a couple of both of the summit, as well as in the interview, the will to have a diplomatic engagement of some kind.
	It was kind of visible that he was having also diplomatic engagement.
	That doesn't mean that it does work for the CIA full time.
	But you might become a diplomatic tool in a moment of great tension in which we are risking a nuclear confrontation.
	These kinds of things can be done.
	That's right, but a normal and a normal independent journalist who I always say your past behavior is the best indicator of your future behavior.
	Normal independent journalists it doesn't exist that when they come with a gun on your head and they say we're gonna kill your family and that's right that's right it's like You're right, but an independent journalist that truly is doing good journalism doesn't have the kind of access that Tucker has.
	And so I just question that.
	And you also aren't invited to speak at the World Government Summit that is...
	On top of that, he represents also Elon Musk, which is very important to understand that, because there was an important question made and also received and explained very well by Vladimir Putin, who talked about his intention to, in some way, who talked about his intention to, in some way, ratify a treaty on artificial intelligence or at least work around the control of this genie that is coming out.
	And that might not be, I mean, might really put in jeopardy the whole mankind, regardless of whatever differences we have as humans.
	Because that is really the great thing that we're facing today.
	It's not a particular confrontation between Tsar Putin an idiot Biden with his nappy, or some other guy in China who basically is a dictator for life like Xi Jinping, or many others.
	It's obvious here that democracy as we intended in the West has no antidote against those people.
	If they have an antidote, that antidote will have been eventually a constitutional monarchy of some kind like Great Britain, but the Windsors are too weak to take any position at the moment of relevance.
	I'm talking here about the fact that the Illuminati, the first thing they want is to destroy the monarchies.
	And when we talk destroy the monarchies, we intend also destroying the Tsar and his important empire, which had over a thousand years of history that were very well explained by Vladimir Putin in his history lesson.
	Tucker, during the summit interview, said that, you know, I tried to ask him and start about Ukraine, but then he gave me this thing of half an hour with the history lesson.
	The not understanding of Tucker, that at that point he was no longer a journalist.
	He was put in a situation in front of a geopolitical player that is playing with you, and you are just a tool.
	A journalist is a tool, regardless of his independency, of whatever state he's living on.
	I mean, he can, you know, maybe be a communist, a conservative, a right-wing, this and that, but in the end, you have an American passport, you have to respect the value of this passport and what it represents.
	I'm taking very seriously this, because when I take my American passport soon, I will renounce formally to the Italian passport.
	Now, a lot of people play with double citizenship.
	I will never do something like that, because I take very seriously becoming American.
	I could have become Russian, equal.
	It would not have been very difficult for me.
	I would have taken a phone call.
	But I decided to become American, and so I would like to provide my services to America in full, and that, of course, in the future might Of course, take any kind of term, including diplomatic, political, whatever.
	But having said that, I'm not just coming from Italy and then coming here, you know, I'm coming here to become American.
	And Leo Zagami becoming American for me is an important thing.
	And I think that Tucker, every time he replied, also at the summit, that he has an American passport and he is American, well, that is the answer.
	Okay, well, one more last thing on Tucker.
	He was a VIP at Comet Ping Pong, or was it Comet Pizza or Comet Ping Pong, where they had the Pizza Gate scenario.
	And as you know, there's a lot of pedophilia and pedophile rings in Washington, D.C.
	And you know quite well the human trafficking and everything goes on.
	How would someone like him have a VIP membership to a place like that if they didn't at least know what was going on?
	It doesn't mean he was involved, but it sure means that he knows.
	Go ahead.
	I've been exposing pedophilia cases, and actually, long before this Pizzagate thing ever came into the media, alternative media mostly, because in the end, you know, this Pizzagate needs to have some further evidence to actually be fully verifiable.
	It's not a secret, though, that in Washington there is a lot of people involved in pedophilia.
	Not only pedophilia, what has come recently out with both the testimony of George Santos and other people on simply people using the premises to have orgies left, right and centers.
	We have even witnessed an homosexual taking it, whatever, in front of a camera.
	I mean, that is done in what is a sacred chamber of our country.
	And the punishment for that should be death, in my eyes, personally.
	Because that is like, you know, putting in the most sacred chamber in which we are discussing the laws of this country, talking about the Senate or the chamber, these are not places where you should have that kind of thing.
	I was outraged myself when 10 years ago, when I was 11 years ago now, when I was participating to the elections, I discovered that in the Italian Parliament they were doing the same thing.
	And I was really outraged.
	And what I saw also from members of the Parliament, you know, snorting cocaine, just coming out of the Parliament, doing things like in front of the guy, I mean, things that were really outrageous.
	That made me realize once again, this happened in Italy, but you know, it could happen here too.
	We know that all of them are blackmailable.
	So we have 500 people here that are blackmailable, basically.
	We have representatives of our country who can be easily taken out simply by a note that says, you were with this prostitute seven days ago, you were with this and that.
	And this happens because here in America, unfortunately, You discuss this kind of business, if you go to Russia, you say, what?
	The answer will not come from the other person.
	So what do you think, you know, when I look at your channel on YouTube, or YouTube really, there's always a disclaimer about the Illuminati, like it was a past organization, it no longer exists, all this other crap.
	Because what happened was this.
	Historically, the Illuminati was born in 1776.
	Historically, the same Illuminati of Adam Bishop in the 1780s were soon after exposed, and they were eliminated as such.
	But also, those who have studied Illuminati knows that Adam Bishop made plans and said, from now on, we take on different names.
	From that moment onwards, one of his disciples created the League of the Just, which then published later on Karl Marx's manifesto.
	Another went on and did another thing with what became then the Carbonari for the unification of Italy.
	And then further on, we arrived to 1848, which I described in Volume 9 of my Confessions, in which 1848 was the year in which Europe was, in that moment, in the hands of the Illuminati, and revolutions were sparking up left, right and center to destroy the monarchies, because the Illuminati first thing was to destroy the monarchies because they were the protectors of religion, and then destroy the religion.
	That's been the big problem here.
	In 1776, the Illuminati, of course, were born, as you know, but they were not as powerful immediately, but already generated waves in a short time within the Masonic world.
	The Masonic world, in a time in which there was no internet, no phone, no telegram, was a world in which from a lodge to another, emissaries could transmit information very quickly.
	So then you will have George Washington, then you will have Thomas Jefferson, maybe intersecting something, and then you will have basically the decision that was done to have a republic on which we stand rather than a monarchy.
	Fine.
	Let's go back though to the problem that we're having today.
	This system, against an autocracy, is very difficult that can prevail.
	And so we are left into the hands of a sinking ship.
	which we know that the only one that could eventually save this ship in the eyes of the Christians should be the Messiah.
	But then if the Messiah comes in his terms, he will be probably derided by the majority of people.
	So then what we have here is a situation of a sinking ship because China and Russia are autocracies.
	Basically, what they told me in Russia from my own research is that they have already reacquired all the knowledge and they want to reacquire the possessions of the Russian Empire and nobilitate the 6 million millionaires they have in Russia who are basically at that point nobilitated and become what they used to be before the Russian Revolution
	if we don't coexist and understand history then you see the limits of Tucker Carlson Tucker Carlson might have been somebody who studied history, like Putin pointed out, but then his limits came out on his kind of very superficial journalistic approach.
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	When two statesmen meet together, they meet in the Illuminati with a game of chess in which everybody knows, okay, you signed this treaty, you signed this treaty, you signed this treaty, you signed this treaty.
	Are you going to respect this treaty?
	And the treaty was signed, and Ukraine was said in Yalta to never be touched.
	Why did you touch the treaty?
	So everything has to be done in a very pragmatic way when it comes to statehood.
	And if we have a bunch of Rewind.
	Pimps, whores, drug addicts, and Obama freaks at the White House.
	That's it.
	We don't need to even think about the consequences of your actions.
	It's like putting on the... It's like going on the Titanic in front of the iceberg and basically having on the command room those people all on cocaine.
	Yeah, it's bringing a bunch of idiots to run the country who have no, they're just not serious.
	Not serious and generating damages that will take years to repair.
	That's right.
	So that is really the big problem here.
	And Trump, of course, hopefully comes in very soon.
	But Trump himself, of course, is threatened.
	His life is threatened.
	He is a good chess player in what he's doing, and he has the respect of all the statesmen in the world, because he's playing the last card.
	He's playing his own money.
	He's playing his own everything, because he could end up in jail, the alternative.
	So we like the person that risks his life.
	That's right.
	I mean, if you're going to genuinely risk your life and deal with all this stuff, then that brings you a certain amount of respect, no matter what.
	Okay, well you've also covered some pretty interesting things like, well you've recently covered the Super Bowl, you've covered the Bohemian Grove, all these things.
	When you look at what you see in the media with the Super Bowl, what is it that you're seeing?
	What messages are you seeing and how are they trying to manipulate the average person?
	Well, I tried to explain how this whole entertainment variety slash sports world coexists with the military industrial complex and the whole news world in my book Volume 8.
	of my confessions, because it's very important to understand that everything that we have generated around us is artificial and has been created by people for a specific reason.
	And when you're talking about Panem and Chirchen, you say bread and circus, the Latin say.
	So it's very simple to define what the Super Bowl is today.
	It is a big psyop, and of course everybody falls for it, or at least the masses fall for it, while the rich and powerful make more money and also manipulate more people.
	We had the most incredible, demented, half-time Joe Biden next to bags of chips, candies, and all kinds of things, which he then criticizes on one hand, saying, shrinkflation, but on the other hand, he makes occult ads by including only those companies which are all connected to him in some way, and that of course will pay some kind of cash to his campaign.
	Wow!
	And you think that those companies have just appeared there and one moment of the ad of Joe Biden, you see this whole and say, I'm like you.
	I like this.
	This stuff is garbage.
	Anything that is proposed in that ad is basically garbage that will bring you sooner rather than later to the creator.
	So, I mean, it's of course the American way to eat a lot of this junk food while you're watching sports and enjoying life, and you're free to do that.
	But it's just like smoking a cigarette or doing something else.
	So you should not really encourage that kind of situation.
	And so I don't see Vladimir Putin next to bags of chips, coke, soda, sorry, and all kinds of rubbish, whatever, maybe, what was it, a Gatorade?
	I don't know.
	It was a lot of garbage.
	And this old man, who nowadays doesn't want to face an interview half-time, it just brings you some more propaganda.
	goes on TikTok, which he has previously banned, and launches his campaign on TikTok.
	I mean, it's just completely ridiculous.
	I mean, guys, I mean, we let the grownups back in the control room.
	Otherwise, otherwise, I mean, it's basically not like the ship is only sinking, we actually have a glacier in front of us.
	And we might really end up clashing.
	And so that means the end of the ship.
	Now, I hope that this doesn't happen because as I'm aiming to be an American for a long time, as long as my life lasts in this incarnation, I hope that this country lasts.
	But we're talking about the United States of America, in which half of the country is brainwashed by a party which has values that are anti-American.
	So either we radically change that and immediately stop this and say, guys, this is too much, you know, everything that's going on in your university, in your country.
	We need to grow up and deal with the real problems.
	We need to reprogram the whole thing.
	And we need also to face the real problems of today, which are instead artificial intelligence takeover.
	You need to grow up and deal with the real problems.
	Keep going.
	Yes.
	So, I mean, that is really what we have to go and do.
	Instead, the problem here, and that's why we go back to what I said, the autocracies win respect to our Republic, Constitutional Republic.
	Why?
	Because every four years, we give the possibility of new people to replace the people who might have even done a good job.
	And that is a problem because the autocracy, it's projecting on the long term.
	Putin was there 20 years ago when I used to visit Russia.
	He's there now.
	And he will be there probably in 10 or 20 years.
	He's more like a dictator though, right?
	I mean, because how does he get into that?
	I know, but do you think that the control room of a ship can be controlled by a democracy when we are facing a sinking ship?
	Well, then I'll let you go back into the room, because that will mean, just as an allegory, It would be like in the control room of a ship which is sinking, they're having an election to decide who has to keep it.
	Come on guys, you're joking!
	The problems that we're facing in the long run here are the future of mankind, the extinction of mankind.
	So I think that that completely wipes off all the other questions.
	I think that those people who are engaging still in these fallacious democracies that we have today, Unfortunately, you have to remember that the American Constitution is the most perfect constitution in the world.
	But it has to be respected.
	And at the same time, the people who are in charge have to be ethically and morally sound.
	Otherwise, it doesn't have a validity.
	And unfortunately, most of those people who these days we send to Washington on the contrary of Trump who has made his money working doing other jobs, and he has made his billions, those people most of the time don't have never had a job.
	They maybe have become lawyers for a couple years or whatever, then they get into politics and they end up in Washington.
	Yeah, they don't understand what it means to actually make a living.
	Most of those guys, just like university professors, I taught at the University of Minnesota at the Carlson School.
	So many of those professors never actually ran a business.
	They just got a degree, got a PhD, and they're teaching people how to run a business.
	It's so ridiculous.
	And so it's the same with their politics.
	That's why universities are such a problem.
	You see that at whatever university, what was it, Yale, or I don't remember, Harvard actually, there was a woman that was basically plagiarizing and began to become in charge of the whole university.
	And then she had to resign, but not only because of what she said, of course, not defending the Jews, but also regarding the whole thing of plagiarism.
	I mean, here we're talking about people who are getting the job simply for the color of the skin.
	I mean, when Martin Luther King said that we shouldn't be judged, in a way, by the color of the skin, because he himself was of course an activist, and even a Freemason.
	But the problem is, the Freemasons of the past, compared to the ones in the present, is a completely different ballgame.
	I refuse to go to lodges here in California.
	Because they are fueled with the occultists, Satanists, Muslim propagandists, all kinds of progressive, you cannot even go with a MAGA hat, they probably kick you out of the lodge.
	This is basically what we have today in Freemasonry in a state like California that reflects, of course, the whole population of California, where I live, which It's starting to change because we have seen the great reactions when Trump came here in L.A. and stuff, with really great reactions from the public.
	And this was, let's not forget, Nixon, Reagan.
	I mean, it has always been a very important state for conservatives.
	But they have rigged the system here.
	And it's very difficult to unrig it.
	When you have rhinos rigging it, when you have a whole system of the GOP that is basically here, it should be replaced 99%.
	So it's almost impossible for the honest person to do his job and go and represent the people of his county or whatever.
	It's impossible.
	Well, let's talk about the Vatican, because when you get to the corporation, the United States Corporation, and you dig deep and you do the research behind that, all of our debts, from what I'm learning, and I could be wrong, but from what I'm learning, all of our debts actually go back to the Vatican.
	The United States doesn't own this debt.
	That is another problem here.
	We have the second Catholic president of the history of the United States that is flooding the country with more Catholics to generate not only votes for the Democratic Party, but also money for the church which they belong to, which is the Catholic Church.
	People don't understand that the Catholic Church is calculating that invasion in money they will receive in their dioceses.
	It's a diocese that basically have gone bankrupt because of their pedophilia.
	So how are they going to replace that money?
	So they are flooding with all these immigrants, then they keep in their dioceses, like, with a strong hand, and then They vampirized all the cash.
	So, Rome and the Vatican, apart from controlling the politicians through secret societies, which we find in universities.
	For example, there is a Jesuit secret society, very active, I talk about it also in my books, that the husband of Nancy Pelosi was part of.
	In Georgetown, it's like the place where the secret societies of the Jesuits are placed, their headquarters.
	And so we see that the whole of the Illuminati network and the Jesuits work hand in hand, and have always worked hand in hand.
	The Illuminati are simply agents of the Jesuits.
	So the Jesuits, though, working then themselves with the Sabbatean Frankists, which are the representatives of the banking system, the Rothschilds of the situation, but many others also.
	So the element, the heretic element within Judaism, which is criticized by the Jews and the Orthodox Jews, but it is unfortunately making of Judaism more and more a progressive stronghold, because we have more and more synagogues which are turning into that progressive side of Judaism, which is pushed by the Sabbatean Frankis.
	So this is what's happening here.
	This is a conflict which is happening in Catholicism, in Judaism.
	In Catholicism we have lost the conflict because we have a Jesuit Pope, which basically is not only embracing the Second Vatican Council and everything that was created within it.
	But, at the same time, he is expanding on it.
	So, for the first time in history, we have a Jesuit Pope.
	We never had a Jesuit Pope before, for a reason.
	The Jesuits are a military order that, almost 500 years ago, they were created originally in Paris in 1530, and then in the Vatican, actually, they signed in a place I know very well called Pivoli, this initial document which gave birth to Ignacio Loyola's order.
	But these people were military, so in their minds it was conquest.
	So instead of going and preaching the gospel around, these monks, they were not really monks, they were Jesuits, so they were in a category of their own, were sent to Japan, India, China, to conquer the mines, drive, control, and regain influence. drive, control, and regain influence.
	And what they did is amazing because, I mean, in that time you had really, America didn't exist, and they were already dealing with the power of China, becoming advisors to the emperor, trying to infiltrate Japan, having a lot of problems in Japan.
	There's been also a movie recently made out of that because Japan was not stupid in any way, shape or form.
	And so they understood the Jesuits were afraid.
	But then the Jesuits became very powerful in Asia.
	And then later on, of course, with the conquest of South America from Spaniards and Portuguese, which are Catholic countries that were basically working hand in hand with the Jesuits, that became a Jesuit stronghold.
	So today, when we hear about a problem at the border is the Central American mentality, Jesuit NGOs and so on, which are actively working to send these people in caravans into America.
	So it's not like this is an invasion, which is at the head of this invasion, there is a Pope who is in Rome.
	And nobody seems to make one plus one is two in this.
	And we have a president.
	He's Catholic, the second in history.
	That's it.
	What do you need more?
	The first president who is, not a fair, two was JFK being this great president, mostly because he gave a speech against the secret society, which I understand.
	And it was a great speech.
	And he was killed right after that.
	But yeah.
	Yeah, but he was also wiretapping for the first time journalists.
	So that just to give an idea of what journalism was into.
	From that moment, it was Project Mockingbird took off with him, not with other presidents.
	Did he start that?
	Well, one thing that I said, and I'm not sure if you've done research on this, and this is fair, that the debt is owned by the Vatican, not by the United States.
	Have you done any research in that area?
	The United States debt, the corporation debt, not the government debt, but the corporate debt is owned by the Vatican.
	Now, the Vatican, as you know, was very much involved even with the traffic of slavery here in the United States.
	In fact, they are still now trying to apologize in some way and all the rest.
	But we are talking about a country that has great Jesuit influence, left, right, and center here in the United States.
	Both in the original colonies that gave birth to the 13 colonies, both also here in California, which was previously Mexico, for example, and that has inherited within also its legal-juridical system a lot of what was instituted by Jesuit-run schools.
	So, the Jesuits are ruling because they rule the most influential legal schools.
	So they are the lawmakers rather than the lawmakers, if you understand what I mean.
	Yeah, I understand it, but I think it's bigger than that in the sense of who owns the financial situation.
	The financial situation is always an illusion because there are treaties and things that can be always broken or ownership over things that can be always broken or changed.
	It's obvious that the Vatican has a lot of power in owning people from the start with the rite of baptism, which inscribes them within a system which becomes then sovereign to the Catholic Church.
	But having said that, the US debt, or the initial thing, is controlled and it was linked to England, because England, and Great Britain in general, was the natural element where then the United States came from.
	I mean, the foundations of the United States was created, but let's also forget what happened with America is a construction of something that rebelled also to Jesuitry but let's also forget what happened with America is a construction of something that rebelled also to Jesuitry for a
	So, some even ascribe the killing of Abraham Lincoln to Jesuits in So, the Jesuits have worked hand-in-hand with certain forms of Freemasonry.
	So the Jesuits have worked hand in hand with certain forms of Freemasonry.
	The Jesuits from the early 1780s were kicked out of the Vatican until basically the death of Napoleon, and then they managed to get back into the Vatican.
	But there was a period of time in which this order was protected by none other than Orthodox Russia.
	This shows you that things are very versatile in the land of religious things because we are talking about the Catholic court that was defending the Pope and suddenly they found themselves under the protection of the Tsar of Russia in exchange of nominating the general as a Russian general in exchange a Russian general because the general is the head of the Jesuits
	so this you know would be like the head of the Jesuits today which is Sosa, a friend of Pope Francis, another South American Venezuelan, will suddenly be kicked out of the body and then Vladimir Putin says come here and we give you a protection and it happened so will suddenly be kicked out of the body and then So, So we have to understand these things that happen within history.
	I personally don't know if there is any document that could verify the U.S.
	national debt or anything of that kind.
	But I'm sure that if there exists, there exists in the Vatican archives all kinds of documents pertaining also with the very early stages of the United States, because
	Here we had a country which was new, but at the same time we had religious institutions that were taking care of education, Catholic religious institutions that were very well versed in propaganda.
	I mean, when I heard that Jesuits actively participate in the creation of an LGBTQ secret society in Harvard, Seems a bit scandalous to me, no?
	Well, there's obviously a big agenda behind the LGBTQ.
	It's so clear.
	Yeah, the fact that they even need a secret society so they can manipulate and maybe be present, a little bit like the Skull and Bones, you know?
	The Skull and Bones used to be a very conservative outlet and now, since 2021, there is no 15 members, none of the 15 members who are conservatives.
	They are all progressives.
	Well, I think, yeah, it's gone way too far.
	Okay, well, I want to talk, for my Substack subscribers, I want to talk about the Bohemian Grove a little bit, because I know you've dug into that quite a bit.
	What's the best place for people to follow you, buy your books?
	Wixagami.com is basically my website and the place where you find the links to all my books, my latest books at least.
	Thank you so much for joining me today.
	Thank you.

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