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Feb. 11, 2024 - The Leo Zagami Show
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THE MOST SECRET SOCIETY TRIGGERS THE RISE OF HITLER AND STALIN
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Leo Leon Zagami, as you know, is a writer, researcher, and the son of Dr. Elio Zagami, known as the Jungian analyst, writer, and co-founder of GAPA, G-A-P-A, Independent Group of Analytical Psychology, of which he was president, and his grandfather was Senator Leopoldo Zagami.
A Sicilian politician who was also known as a historian and an author and who married into the aristocratic family of the Marquis of De Gregorio.
Alia's mother also was awesome and a member of a family of the Queen Mother of England.
As you know, Alia Zagami has also his own show on Alex Jones Band dot video.
InfoWars, whatever you want to call it.
We say hi to Alex from here too.
And everyone in Texas.
Texas is resisting!
Oh yeah!
Banzai!
Banzai everyone in Texas!
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Hashimoto is going on man!
Gasimoto is going on about it there.
And we have our friend Leo Zagami.
He's going to talk about secret societies.
And we also discussed a little bit about the tractors, the farmers, the growers.
They're coming up in England.
Today, England started the strike and farmers and growers are being threatened by that 2030 agenda, the agenda 2030, that agenda that wants to give all the food And all the lands to the big corporations, our friend Bill Gates and Soros and all these people.
So we'll talk about them because they also come from secret societies, all these entangling things going on.
And there is Leo.
Leo, good morning in America.
Good morning, America.
Hello there.
Always a pleasure to be with you for this show.
Hopefully we're going to be discussing some interesting topics as usual.
Oh, we always discuss interesting things because you're an interesting guy.
You know a lot.
I don't know nothing.
I just learned from you and from everyone.
I shut up and you talk.
And also people have fun because you have to be entertaining and people have fun, you know, and, and, and, and take life as a philosophy, as something joyous, something fun, not, not, not be all pessimistic and catastrophic and And evil, yeah.
So I was listening to some of the, yesterday, the political, you know, conference that Trump had in, I don't know, somewhere in the Midwest.
South Carolina, in Carson.
Great conference.
He's in the South.
He's in the South.
He's winning.
He's winning by a mile.
One of his rallies where he gets a lot of people together.
And this time it was dedicated to get out and vote, to get out to vote.
Which is basically, of course, pushing people to go and vote is important this year, especially in the United States.
This might be the most important election we ever had.
Because the Hindu guy, the Pajit, and the other... Well, I call Pajits to all the Indians because they're a bit crazy people.
No, no, I mean, all the other non...
I have a better one than that.
This is louder, man.
I mean, this is louder.
You bought the other one.
I just painted.
It's that Nicky Haley who is definitely...
Nicky Haley.
Nicky Haley.
That's the Dismanian devil.
The military industrial complex who wants never-ending wars.
It's definitely somebody...
I have a better one than that.
This is louder, man.
I mean, this is louder.
You bought the other one.
I just painted...
Oh, my God.
He's...
...and giving it back to you.
The people.
The people.
I guess mine is a little bit louder, eh?
There's also a lot of controversy.
I was talking, I was talking, I was talking about this to Jordan and I remember Michael Ceremony years ago about even the Constitution saying that people with capital letters, there's a bit of a conspiracy there from secret societies too.
They say some of the masons or perhaps some mason was infiltrated there.
Some of the masons that were good, some bad.
I mean, there's a lot of controversy about this even in the Constitution, right?
The Constitution They even say that first they set subjects, then slaves, then they change it to something they want even to crown.
They want to crown George Washington as a king.
Now it happens that I heard Donald Trump rally yesterday that George Washington statues were being removed, too.
So, I mean, I don't understand anything.
They go from Mason to Christian like, you know, like a discurso.
I mean, what happened back in the days when, of course, they put together this great nation of the United States of America in 1776 was a choice.
The choice I discussed actually profusely in one of my books in Volume 7, in particular in the last chapter of Volume 7.
And I discuss it because it's important to understand why they chose a republic rather than a monarchy.
So, I mean, the choice was made inspired by the fact that the monarchies were in crisis at the time in Europe.
So I don't think we will ever have that problem here in the United States.
But the problem of the United States at the moment, of course, is that this republic, as a great constitution, has the best To my knowledge, the best constitution in the world, but it's also, of course, very weak in comparison to these growing dictators.
The fact that you have, of course, Xi Jinping that will be dominating for the rest of his life.
Putin is behind everything nowadays.
Putin is behind the bad ones.
Putin is behind everything that's evil and bad.
He's behind the farmers and the growers.
He's behind Leo Zagami.
He's behind Alex Jones.
He's behind... Putin is like Super Putin.
We should call him God Putin.
King Putin or something.
I mean, it's incredible.
I think the problem here is that, of course, most of the people who go to Washington are corrupt.
We have maybe 500 people in Congress.
They don't really do the interest of the people.
Once they arrive in Washington, as most politicians do in the Western world, they kind of get cozy with the lobbyists, with the big military industrial complex that is, of course, also connected.
We have the big pharma and all the rest.
And so in the end, these people who get elected to represent us, they don't really represent us any longer.
Now, we have, of course, an opportunity with Donald J. Trump, but I mean, it's a unique opportunity because we are here in the United States.
So in a place that still is kind of working out itself, fighting the growing system of government, which is Now known as autocracy.
Autocracy is basically a system by one person with absolute power.
And Trump never really, he's never really been like that.
I mean, Trump, for example, conducted itself in the first, I mean, in the four years of his first presidency.
And we hope, of course, it will be followed up by a second presidency later on.
But things that they accuse him of, he never did.
So, I mean, if he wanted to be a dictator, he could have done it by subverting the system within his first four years.
I repeat, the problem here is that deep state, we call it the deep state, we call it all those people who have been corrupted also by foreign countries like Russia, China.
And this was also demonstrated in a way By what Putin said during the interview with Tiger Carlson, the fact that he knew that, for example, Tiger Carlson had, in his youth, asked to join the CIA.
He was CIA.
I have already dedicated a whole show to this topic without anything against Tucker, but it demonstrates instead The knowledge that Putin has and had, of course, as a KGB agent of what is going on here in the United States of America.
So I think that.
The problem is that this is a growing autocracy, which is basically a form, it's almost like a monarchy.
Most forms of monarchy are considered autocracy.
And it's, you know, when every four years you have to change the whole show and send new people and then you have a new president and you don't really have the time to establish yourself.
Trump needed eight years.
That, I think, has been the great loss for the United States of America, the fact that he really needed eight years in order to establish itself and to change America and make it a better place.
But like I said, he never really was in any way a dictator.
He never used, instrumentalized the federal authority.
Right.
Right.
What you're saying is he was not as coercive, as implementing coercion as other presidents and whatever.
Biden is the guy who wanted to invest more money for more IRS agents instead of more money for more border patrol and more agents so that could protect this nation from falling into the hands of foreign powers.
Because now we have seen that China is one sending us basically thousands and thousands if not millions in the coming years of immigrants here illegally.
You might think they are all coming from Central or South America, but we know that's not the case.
They are coming from all over the place now on the border here with America.
And China is apparently, for an investigation that was actually conducted by 60 Minutes, it is the place with the most rapidly growing number of illegal immigrants that are flooding this country.
Once a Chinese enters America, It's very difficult to actually identify him because the characteristics of the Chinese make it very easy for them to stay in their... They look alike.
They're not like Mexicans.
They have a Chinatown in each city.
They usually have a way of disguising themselves within They blend in.
They blend in like any other Chinese.
You cannot distinguish.
You can't distinguish.
So then what happens?
It happens that, for example, representatives of the military or of the Chinese Communist Party have been able to infiltrate in the last few months and come illegally into America.
And, of course, They are here to sabotage this great nation.
When it comes to Vladimir Putin, we have also Russians that are of course trying to come here, but most Russians are actually coming here illegally also for Vladimir Putin.
Vladimir Putin is not somebody who encourages foreign migration.
It's really difficult to actually get a visa and get out of Russia.
He sends migration to Finland and Sweden.
He sends a lot of Muslim people there.
And the Finnish, they told me, and the Swedish, that they're a bit, you know, upset about that.
So, because, you know, he knows how to destabilize the area.
However, Putin, he could have destroyed America, you know, during the interview.
He could have said, well, look, you're all woke, you're like, America's going down, but he was he was very I mean, I think he was very weak about you know He was very diplomatic very diplomatic I think personally the interview went very well for both of them.
I mean, maybe Tucker could have done a couple of more, maybe more complex questions.
Tough questions.
Yeah.
Tough questions.
But having said that, I mean, Tucker's way of doing journalism was pretty much reflected in his interview.
I was surprised maybe about the fact that he didn't realize immediately how important history is for Putin.
Everybody knows I think that history is actually very important, if not the main interest of Vladimir Putin.
He never really graduated or took a PhD in history, but he has always been studying history and he relies very much on the past in order to not make the same mistakes in the future.
Listen, Leo, but wasn't it funny that Carson asking about Ukraine and then suddenly he started talking about a fairy tale of a Slavic king like the Princess Bride.
He's like, I'm this king in the 1800s or whatever it is.
Listen, if you actually go on Volume 9 of My Confessions, there is a whole chapter I dedicate to the history Show the book, show the book, show the book, show the book, show the book man!
Leo Sagami, Confessions, volume number nine.
And in this book, I am very much into analyzing the history of Russia.
I don't think, though, that Putin wanted to focus so much on those forces that during the 19th century attacked Russia gradually.
I mean, he did, of course, he explained certain things, but he couldn't really maybe openly say, you know, the Illuminati in particular, because the Illuminati came from Germany.
And then, of course, through Poland, they influenced very much, exercised a lot of influence in the creation of those secret societies that eventually will create the Ukrainian identity.
There was also secret society connected to the Russian Orthodox Church that were also involved at that time.
And there is also Russian Freemasonry that he never really mentions because he's in a very good relationship with the Russian Freemasonry, Vladimir Putin.
I explain this also in this book.
But of course there is also various forms of Freemasonry, and there is a form of Freemasonry that was also, and we discussed I think this in the past, involved with the creation of the Soviet Union with Vladimir Lenin.
So, without going back and repeating ourselves... You know, Leo, you've got to get along to play along.
You've got to play along and get along.
You know what it means, you know?
I mean... No, no, but I think that his explanation, though it went Very much further back, no?
It was like a fairy tale of fucking Lord of the Rings.
It's like, because the Russian Islamic King, you know.
Because the history of both the Russian Church and Russia passes through Ukraine, It was almost inevitable that he needed to go there.
I mean, of course, a modern politician without any knowledge of history, a dumb person or an absolute brainwashed zombie like Joe Biden, he couldn't put two words together, so he could never make any reasoning.
I mean, if you ask Joe Biden probably something about the foundation of the United States, he would probably watch you and say, Joe Biden is like the COVID.
He doesn't exist.
He's like Joe Biden.
I was with a president from England in 1996, or France, he said.
But he was dead already, that president, when you were there, you moron.
He's saying things like it's unbelievable, you know.
But Putin, he's not the average politician.
He's very educated, very cultured.
I think it's not a question of the average politician.
Here also it's very important to understand that he is actually an average Russian in the sense that most Russians are interested in history.
Most Russians are interested in culture, in Russian culture.
During the Soviet Union, they were forced into studying a lot of subjects in a very detailed way.
And so I think that Putin might be exceptional, of course.
Otherwise, he will not be the president still of the Russian Federation after all these years.
And of course, also his past as a KGB agent and director of operations for East Germany, which was one of the most important posts for that role.
But having said that, I went to Russia, as you know, many times.
I worked in Russia a long time also with the Ministry of Culture.
So I can tell you that the Russian culture is, of course, It's at a very high level because, you see, the fact that they didn't, I mean, that everybody was basically forced to study and take, basically, study until, I mean, until they were 20.
Everybody would go to university.
It was not an option for the Russians during the Soviet Union.
It was like everybody was kind of Pushed to study.
Yeah with Lenin and Stalin they had to study because they were all illiterate and then suddenly the level of education went up even though it was a bit of a you know indoctrination and stuff like that obviously went up.
Of course of course there was a lot of indoctrination of course the topics that you might learn also the books that you were given in the school were edited and crafted in a way that you will of course praise the Soviet regime.
I mean They will be critical.
For example, there is a whole part of the of the books that you used to study at school, for example, that cite things like Alistair Crowley or Led Zeppelin, and you will be like, what?
And I mean, it was because they were pushing the idea that all this music was basically used for propaganda reasons.
So I was very interested in seeing this old textbook from the Soviet Union where they had the people like Isaac Crowley.
I don't think there is A textbook in school here in the West that features people like him.
And so there was an understanding that music, cinema were part of culture and they were part also of propaganda.
They could be used for psychological warfare.
That's an element that is quite interesting.
Having said that, though, the Russians were very much influenced by secret societies, which is a topic, of course, you said we will be discussing today.
And when it comes to the skull and bones in particular.
Yeah, because skull and bones is also known as the order.
The Order 322, or the Brotherhood of Death, sometimes.
There are many movies about this, even there's a movie, The Brotherhood of the Bell, with Superman's father, probably you guys remember from Superman 1.
And then there's an undergraduate senior secret student society from Yale University, that is in New Haven, Connecticut.
The oldest senior class society at the University of Columbus has become also a cultural institution known for its powerful alumni and various conspiracy theories.
But they're not conspiracy theories because even Anthony C. Sutton said that they were involved in creating, you know, Wall Street and Wall Street creating the rise of Hitler, the rise of the USSR.
So, you know, they are very influential men, like you see also in the movie Brotherhood of the Bell, you know.
And you know some about this because, I mean, the 322 also, I've been told, you know, it comes from Germany or something like that.
You also see the Nazis having some kind of a skull and bones too, the pirates.
So you see this language... Let me do a brief explanation and connection also with Vladimir Putin and what we are watching.
It was Prescott Bush was a member of the Skull and Bones, like most of the Bush family, including, of course, George H. Bush, George W. Bush.
All these people have been members of this prestigious organization.
But it was Prescott Bush who, to fight the Soviet Union, Push the financing of the Nazi party in Germany, which, of course, also, as we know, use the skull and bones as a symbol for the SS, Totenkopf, whatever it's called.
So, I mean, Prescott Bush, who was an American banker and a Republican Party politician, he never became a president, but he was definitely somebody who was quite influential in the Senate.
He won the election in 1952.
And that was, of course, as you know, right at the start of the Cold War.
So, there was a tendency in the skull and bones to always get people who were quite conservative within their establishment.
This, at least until a few years ago.
Then things suddenly changed.
So there has been a, how can we say, there has been a dramatic change that brought to the left the whole of the skull and bones.
And the whole, I mean, skull and bones is just one of the many university fraternities.
Of course, it's particularly influential because it's the oldest senior class society at the Yale University, But it is also true that it was born after there were also other organizations already operative there.
So it's not really the oldest.
It is maybe the most influential because it had a lot of people that became then presidents, that became heads of the CIA, that became People like John Kerry or others.
Nowadays, though, from the 70s onwards, the skull and bones has changed, has been utterly transformed.
And I'm not the only one saying it.
This is something that is being said also by The Atlantic, which is an American magazine that has published an article on this topic.
And basically, there is a lot of left-wing activism Especially from people who actually join organizations like the Democratic Socialists of America.
Actually, if you join the Democratic Socialists of America today, you are almost considered, you know, superior.
If I went there and I was a Trump fanatic, they would probably not let me in anymore.
It has completely changed.
I mean, the class of 2021, meaning Those members who every year are picked up and there is only a limited number of 15 members that joined the society each year.
Well, they said that there were no conservatives in the members of 2021.
So the skull and bones is now being transformed in the name of equity, inclusion and wokeness.
It's not any longer the skull and bones that, of course, push the birth of the SS and basically gave money to Adolf Hitler to rise to power.
And why?
I mean, when, for example, Goebbels, and I explain this also in my book, Goebbels at one point was, of course, the Minister of Propaganda, but in the rising National Socialist Movement, he saw himself as being part of a socialist movement.
Instead, Hitler explained to him, now we are waging war against the communists and the socialists.
And that day, actually, Goebbels was apparently very upset with Hitler.
So why did he change suddenly?
He changed because he received the money from Prescott Bush, who said, listen, you now have to create an opposition To whatever is communist, because there was a great problem in Germany.
The Spartacus organization, Spartacus, by the way, being also the initiatic name of Adam Weishaupt, Spartacus organization was promoting socialist communist values.
And increasingly there was a threat that the whole of Germany would pass under the influence of the Soviet Union.
So that was something that it couldn't be accepted in any way.
And of course, the Illuminati, and of course, Skull and Bones, it is an Illuminati organization.
Now, saying Illuminati, I explain very much what I intend as Illuminati in my volume one, where I explain also what I intend for this definition.
I mean, it's not only the order of Adam Bateshop, but it's also true that the people who founded the Skull and Bones, were connected apparently with a German secret society within a university.
And of course, when it comes to the secret society of secret societies in Germany operating at that time, the Illuminati had been, of course, prohibited already from the 1780s, but they had transformed themselves and they were known with many different names.
So the foundation of the Skull and Bones goes back to people who, in some way, and I mean, I'm talking about, of course, the Russell Trust Association, which was very important because William Huttington Russell was a businessman.
And together with another guy, though, Alfonso Taft.
Alfonso Taft was a very important figure within the American juridical system.
He was a politician, but he had the right to be an Attorney General.
He had been even the Secretary of War under President Ulysses Grant.
So Alfonso Taft was... At one point, imagine, he was appointed a minister to Austro-Hungary.
So, I mean, he was, like, very much connected also with Europe and with the European secret societies.
And for that reason, he helped create the secret society known as Skull and Bones in 1832 with William Huttington Russell.
And that's really the guy who apparently gave the main input to create this secret society, and that within a small period of time became very influential, also because Russell was connected to the Whig Party, which was the conservative also because Russell was connected to the Whig Party, which was the conservative
So he became then later on one of the leaders of the movement, which eventually will create the Republican parties.
So here we are, right at the early start of America.
Of course, America is not a very old country.
It was established in 1776.
So here we are, less than a hundred years from its foundation, with these bonesmen who incorporated Skull and Bones as the Russell Trust.
association and they gave birth to an organization that was made to collect the best of the best of the various families that were all of course originated in Europe and to of course then create a secret society that would bound them forever so the initiation that was also put together for this organization was particularly weird
you go in this tomb you spend the night naked confessing all your most dark secrets so that then everybody else around you becomes in a way knowledgeable of things that maybe not even your family knows So that's how, still to this day, you become a member
of the skull and bones.
Once you are chosen, once you are tapped, they come and tap you.
And like you said, there have been some movies that have been made that in a way have explained how this whole thing worked.
I mean, because these movies were quite open and short.
So, the fact that We had these gentlemen coming together and especially Alfonso Taft, I think, was the connection with the European Illuminati.
He was probably even more than the rest of them.
And then, of course, they made these rituals in a certain way.
They created a system.
There is also a lot of value given to the skulls of important people.
At one point, there was apparently Presco Bush, one of the Bush family members who was accused of having stolen the skull.
He was Spanish because he talked Spanish.
He didn't talk English.
He was actually Spanish.
Yeah.
I talked to his great grandson and he thanked a lot of the Spanish people for, you know, mingling up there, you know, not colonizing them, but, but, you know, keeping them alive because they said the British, they were bad, bad motherfuckers.
They killed them all.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what he said.
I mean, I'm just repeating, you know, he's I mean, he was an Apache chief president.
I mean, this story of Prescott Bush and his buddies at Yale that dug up the grave of Geronimo must have definitely made the A lot of Indians very angry, removing his skull and femur and placing them in the lobby of the tomb back in 1917.
I mean, that was something, I think, completely outrageous.
But it also, it's in line with the Gothic aspect of the building that was also studied very well for a, ultimately for a psychological impact when the guy gets initiated into the ultra-secretive skull and bone society, people like both President Bush, but also Mr. Prescott, President William Howard Staff,
Senator John Kerry, that now is giving his position Senator John Kerry, that now is giving his position as climate czar to John Podesta.
That I find very interesting because John Podesta has also been somebody who has been involved with Marina Abramovich, with that weird...
Those weird rituals.
We had, though, in The Scalding Bones, also Time Magazine founder Henry Luce, financer William Donaldson.
We have numerous CIA agents that are sworn to secrecy about the rituals.
I studied a bit the rituals.
I commented them in my books and I explained how these rituals, of course, are once again, you know, another charade that is made To belittle certain religions because, I mean, you have the donkey shot!
Yeah, the donkey shot ritual, but also they have rituals with the baphomets.
That's how they call these skulls.
There's a legend that the Templars, they pick the baphomets because they put some kind of candle inside and talk to them.
Very careful, because there's been a lot of misunderstanding.
In fact, I recently did a show about these topics to show the reality of the baphomet of the Templars.
The Templars, in reality, were worshipping a A Ba'ath from Muhammad on the Cross, which is an heresy for normal Muslims, but not for the Nizaris, who were actually the Ashashins, the sect of the Ashashins that was working as assassins for the nice tempers there in the Middle East, because in the Middle East there was a war waging between Sunni Islam and Shia Islam,
And the Shia Islam kind of took the sides of the Knights Templars.
They worked, they collaborated with the Knights Templars to wage war against the Sunni.
But this changed with Bush and you have just shown Bush.
Bush, of course, a family we know, very close to Osama Bin Laden.
Osama Bin Laden, of course, was not a Shia.
So things have changed in the last, let's say, two centuries.
We can say that thanks to Freemasonry, Sunni Islam was brought closer to the West, while eventually Shia Islam will become an asset for Russia.
So it's kind of things have changed very much.
But it's very important to understand the importance of the friendship between the family of Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden, who was born in an aristocratic family, the Bin Laden family, which was connected with the Bush family.
This is something that, of course, facilitated that whole farce mega ritual, which was 9-11.
So it is sad because, of course, the Americans were duped into believing that 9-11 was a genuine attack, when in reality it was a pathetic show set up by, first of all, the father of George H. first of all, the father of George H. Bush, who 10 years, if you remember, in 1991, if I don't get it wrong, I'm pretty sure, actually,
He talked about a new world order when he was A thousand lights.
A thousand points of light.
And then, ten years later, his son became involved.
This is an interesting element about the interview that actually Putin gave with Tucker Carlson.
Because he was quite adamant in explaining to Tucker that George W. Bush is not an idiot.
And actually, he was very much prepared.
We always thought about George W. Bush as a simpleton, as somebody, you know, quite... who basically his father was just piloting behind the scenes.
This was, I think, the speech in which he talked about... See what he says here?
He says, a thousand points of light.
And he repeats this many times.
Let's hear it.
I've spoken of a thousand points of light of all the community organizations that are spread like stars throughout the nation doing good.
I've spoken of a thousand points of light.
It's interesting this a thousand points of light.
Yeah, yeah, there is like four or five videos he says a thousand points of light.
Because it is connected to the Sabbatean Frankysteresis.
And so it is pretty interesting this whole mention.
However, going back to Sunni Islam, Sunni Islam started to become subservient or at least collaborate with the West in the 19th century when
The English and the French were of course in charge of the Middle East with their enormous influence and eventually they managed to overtake the Ottoman Empire.
The Ottoman Empire had led the whole of the Middle East for hundreds of years.
The actual Turks had already overtaken the Shiites of the Fatimid dynasty before that.
And then in, I think it was the 13th century, at the beginning of the 13th century, they managed to establish what became the Ottoman Empire, which basically lasted until the 20th century.
So in that period of time, though, England and France were not best friends with the Ottoman Empire.
The Ottoman Empire was regarded as A great threat that they should mine in some way.
And so they went on mining and mining this and sabotaging left, right and center, this Ottoman Empire until the Ottoman Empire collapsed.
And at that point, of course, all hell break loose.
And then we arrive, of course, to the creation of Israel later on.
But before that, let's not forget that all the countries in the area today, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, they were all part of the Ottoman Empire.
And so when today you see this big farce with these poor people in Gaza who are pushed in Rafah against and don't have anywhere else to go, do the Egyptians let them in?
No!
They're building fences.
So the Egyptians these days are simply operating In a way that is still, of course, dark and sinister behind the scenes.
Like the Iranians.
The Iranians, they're the only ones supporting this, but the Iranians, they have a republic.
You know I'm more monarchic than than republican because The Iranians, of course, they have become a tool now, of course, close to Russia and close to China.
But in reality, the creation of Iran and the removal of the Shah was facilitated by both Great Britain and the United States of America.
This might sound weird because with Iran-Contra, with everything that happened after and with, of course, the problems that a Shia Iran created, once the Shah was removed, the Shah was a dictator.
He was a monarch.
He wasn't a simple dictator.
He was somebody who was in line with Persia.
Persia was basically what Iran used to be.
So the Operation Pablavi that brought to the To basically pushing Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, who was the last Shah of Persia, to leave in 1979 because of this Islamic revolution.
We think of this Islamic revolution as a religious revolution.
Look at that, Leo.
Leo, do you see that picture?
That's the Iranian parliament.
That's so Mason.
That's so Masonic.
That's what I was about to say.
We think about the Iranian revolution as a religious revolution, but it's not at all a religious revolution.
It's a Masonic, but not Here we are talking about two different forms of Freemasonry because a regular Freemasonry of the Iran lives now in exile as a grand lodge and I think operates here in California, out of all places.
While instead, the progressive Grand Orient of France was the one that protected, in fact, Khomeini, who raised to power and then became, of course, the Ayatollah Khomeini and gave birth to that hideous monster which the Ayatollah Khomeini and gave birth to that hideous monster which today is Iran today, it's a dictatorship, but it's not like most people think about it like a religious dictatorship.
No, that is also a little bit...
You have to understand that Freemasonry and communism and socialism, that is the thing, no?
And Communism and Socialism were the ideologies that were pushed in the university in Tehran at the end of the 60s and that eventually will be embraced even by those religious fanatics that eventually will be driven to create the revolution in Iran and overtake and send away.
But, of course, this with a price for the West and also all the gold of Iran was methodically sent to the Vatican in big shipments on planes so they took all the gold of Iran and they gave it so when we saw Barack Hussein Obama Barack Hussein Obama already the name is solar program
I mean it's obvious that the guy is pretty much sending a whole airplane full of money in exchange for nothing because what did we get out of that Nothing.
It was in a way to repay back the gold that was instead shipped out of the country during the revolution.
So this is unfortunate.
It's an unfortunate thing.
The Shah of Persia was, first of all, duped into believing that he could use, at the end of the 60s, a secret police, which instead became almost like the Stasi or the Gestapo.
And of course, when you have that kind of police, the reaction of the people is to have a revolution.
So then a revolution leads to another revolution and leads to, basically, the transformation of the whole country.
now hold hostage by a bunch of Shia clerics which are basically Islamocommunists.
That is the real problem here.
Yeah, because Islam, Islamic ideology is expansionistic, sociopolitic, violent and coercive and, you know, considers all territories open to conquest.
I mean, that's what it is, Islam.
Islam, though, like I said, at the beginning here, we had always this opposition between these two factions of Sunni and Shia.
And the fact that basically the Sunni and Shia have been fighting for a long time, since the beginning, basically, since soon after the death of Mohammed, these two factions started to, because of different belief systems, based on the fact that one believes in the traditional Sunni, is basically a believer in Abu Bakr, in the fact he was a legitimate caliph.
There were four caliphs until the fourth one was Ali, which was the cousin of the Prophet and the husband of his daughter Fatima.
That became, then, the moment for the schism.
The schism, though, was also piloted by forces that, in a way, wanted to destroy the original Islam.
So Islam, it's not a unitarian, but in the last period, because of this big psychological operation and, of course, of great impact, the attack of the 7th of October, which is not only an attack to Israel, it is a psychological operation for the whole world to see.
This killing of innocent people in the various kibbutz that has instigated this terrible situation, it's all been planned.
So in a way, it's kind of, for the first time in over a thousand years, bringing together people factions that never, ever, ever in the history of Islam will have even dialogued with each other.
I mean the fact that Hamas relies on Hezbollah on the north and Hezbollah is Shia and Hamas is Sunni, it is pretty... so it is like these days there is a will to unite all the factions of Islam regardless of their different dogmas or belief system.
And ignite a war against the West.
But, for example, if you go to, there is new research by, what's his name, Spencer.
I don't know if you read Spencer, Robert Spencer, Did Muhammad Exist?
Everything we have been told about Muhammad by the Muslims, about his life, about what he said, even about his city of Mecca, and his book Quran, he's not proven to be quite a suspect.
That's what Robert Spencer says in this new book.
And there are some people, even if you go to Fandor Films, that are from Saudi Arabia, they have even converted to Christianity, these guys in this YouTube channel.
Okay, the history of Islam goes back... It's just another opinion, you know, it's another information.
No, no, no, it's not a question of opinion.
I mean, the thing is that in Islam you have the Hadiths and then you have the Quran.
The Hadiths are the canonical reportage about what the friends or family of Muhammad said about this and this and that.
And then you have, of course, the Quran in itself.
You have the Sunni who stick to the traditional.
And here, of course, when you're talking about, for example, we were talking about Osama Bin Laden.
Osama Bin Laden was a Sunni.
But having said that, where did we find Osama Bin Laden and I?
In Afghanistan, a place where traditionally you have the Nizari, which are basically the Ashashins, the sect that was used by the Naztemplar.
And the modality in which Mohammed Akhtar and his friends enacted those 9-11 attacks is very much in line with the promises of paradise and virgins after smoking a great joint of Ashish, which in fact is the name Ashish, Ashashins.
It comes from, yeah.
So the differences here in the Islamic world and the fact that in the end, Bin Laden was allegedly killed in Afghanistan.
Why was he dead?
Was he protected by a bunch of assassins who were not really Sunni?
The modality used by his own assassins of Al-Qaeda was not really respectful of the Islamic faith in its tenets.
However, he was a product of the West.
Let's not forget that.
He was a product of the West.
He was Bin Laden's, you know, ways.
He was basically somebody who was working with America in Afghanistan, who then turned against America.
But did he really turn against America?
Or was he simply on a different mission?
Because he managed to, of course, together with the Taliban, Bring down the Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan.
And let's not forget, let's not forget one thing.
Here, of course, Robert Spencer in his book, very controversial, did Mohammed exist and all that.
Now, I have studied very much Islam for a long time.
As you know, I was directly involved with Islam at one point.
So I know a few things about this religion.
I don't think there is any doubt that actually Muhammad existed, but the fact that he was this holy man, well, I mean, it's a very controversial topic when you have a wife who is basically six or seven years old and you are consuming the marriage when she's nine.
I mean, it's a pretty controversial topic.
I mean, Here you have a guy and then you have, of course, all the various conspiracy theorists who says, you know, who says maybe the Alberto Rivera one about the creation of Islam by the Vatican.
I mean, I must say that there is some points that were put through in that alleged testimony by Cardinal Béa reported by Rivera.
Which are very interesting.
I mean, and actually they are factual because it is true that Islam was coming into existence in a moment in which there was, of course, the Byzantium Empire.
And it's also true that the Byzantium Empire later on got into business with some of these Muslim factions.
And Nestorian Christianity and Arianism is very similar because they don't believe in the Trinity and stuff like that.
And, you know, so it's like a mishmash of, you know, Islam, Judaism and Christianity were indistinguishable in Spain even.
That's what they say, you know, during the 7th century or 6th century.
Let's not forget that, for example, some of the most fierce crazy grimoire of all time, which is the Picatrix.
The Picatrix, yeah.
It was actually brought to Spain in that period, no?
And it was actually something that we still talk about.
I mean, the Picatrix, it's a work of magic and astrology that without, and actually written in Arabic,
Under the title Gaiat al alchim, and some say it was written in the middle of the 11th century, but all that magic and all that astrology came from the Middle East in a moment in which we had the fall of the Roman Empire.
We had basically the darkest ages that will precede then the establishment of the sacred Roman Empire.
But of course, everything you're showing now regarding the very early stages-- Yeah, I'm putting that name there because Robert Spencer and some other academics think that Mohammed is this guy, this guy from the Lagmi kingdom, that he really existed, is the one that appears on the Quran a few times.
But Mohammed is a name from the Bible, means precious, or the good one, or the beautiful one.
So it's not a new name in Islam.
And the allies, another name they used in Southern Europe and Africa for God.
Like Al, Bel, El, or whatever.
And the Nestorian God was similar to what Islam is now, same as Arianism.
But they say that this guy existed, the Iyas ibn Qabasha al-Tayyib.
That was the, you know, the warlord in the Ladmi Kingdom.
No, here we have to explain that once Islam gets into Persia, because here we're talking about Persia with Yahya ibn Faisal al-Thay, which was the... But it's interesting, this, you know, this lead, this lead is... No, no, it's interesting, but the thing is that it's not factual because I think that is without any question the fact that Mohammed came out of Mecca
and out of the Arabic tribes rather than Mesopotamia or Persia.
The moment in which actually Islam gets into Persia, gets into Mesopotamia basically, that's the moment in which then the Shia identity starts to become stronger and stronger and that's the moment in which secret societies from the Zoroastrians, the Manicheans, they infiltrate What will become later on the Lodge of Cairo, which basically gave birth to the Fatimid Empire, the Fatimid dynasty.
The Fatimid dynasty will be the most powerful dynasty until Saladin and the Turks will destroy them.
And at that point, they will methodically take over and destroy any residue of Shia Islam within Egypt.
Today, if you go to Egypt, it's soon Islam.
But if you went back into the days of the Fatimid, the Fatimid was Shia.
And the Fatimid operating at that time gave birth to a lot of other currents within Shia Islam and even other religions, because the Druzes are not Islam, but they came out of that whole thing.
Because then, you see, with Shia Islam, you have the 12 imams before the Mahdi, you have the 12 imams, the Mahdi, and then you have 1.1 guys.
The guy who founded basically the Fatimid dynasty in Cairo, he arrived and said, I'm the Mahdi.
So, I mean, these people were all crazy, and people went after him.
There was one guy, al-Hakim, who basically declared himself to be a god at one point.
And some people believed in him and they created off shots of the off shot.
So that's why the Islamic emergence is really characterized by a very fractured religion.
So when you are saying there that this guy could be Mohammed, but this guy is born a long time after Mohammed.
Because... No, it's 612.
I mean, the way they explain it, they are Flandre Films.
I'm very satisfied with the explanation.
And because they say Mohammed, like Moses, is the title, it's not a name.
It's like the region, and the other one is the precious or the...
You know, the Salvatore or something.
There's a lot of, like you're saying, you know, there's some mix up there with some things and it's quite suspicious.
I mean, it's good to just doubt about it and just research, you know.
Of course.
That's why I'm giving another lead of information.
If I have to be more, I mean, first of all, the fact that there is Some very important elements that lead us also to one of the wives of Mohammed, who was actually Khadija, whose cousin was Christian, who was involved right at the start with Mohammed when he then received this.
These, I think, are more interesting because also they are often not debated within the Muslim world because nobody wants Muhammad to be involved with a Christian who helped him out in his revelation of the Quran.
I mean, kind of like...
That's weird.
That's weird.
But another thing that I want to add here is the Qibla.
You know, the Qibla is the position of the mosque, and the position of the mosque, they don't point to... Let me tell you, when it comes down... They point to Petra, yeah?
They point to Petra.
So that's why I'm saying that it's suspicious, all that.
Yeah, but Syria, and all the areas, Syria, Iraq, Iran, those areas, ancient Mesopotamia, all that area, basically, it's the area that is really fueled with secret societies.
Fuelled with secret societies.
I mean, we probably have the Knights Templars because they were inspired by the secret societies like the Ashashins that they witnessed themselves when they went there in the Middle East.
I mean, when the Pope himself saw that they had this kind of secret societies, he wanted to build something similar.
The Knights Templars were inspired then and created after they saw the secret societies operating in that area, specifically Iran and then Syria.
Those areas were not only important then for, of course, the origins of... That was Persia, and the first Koran comes from there, from Kufa, yeah?
Well, that's why I think that it's very important to understand the history of Islam, and that's why I'm dedicating a lot of time recently to the study of Islam, so to ultimately then bring out maybe something that could clear up But it's good to bring up some other leads of investigation here, and we make the show more interesting.
has done maybe a very inquisitive, an inquiry into the Islam's obscure origins.
Obscure past, the hidden past of Islam.
But it's good to bring up some other leads of investigation here, and we make the show more interesting.
People now go, wow, there's something else there.
And they're more interested.
He's a best-selling author, but he's not himself, Robert Spencer, from what I understand, is not strictly a historian.
Or he's not somebody who, I mean, he is uncovering all this with historical foundations, but the fact is that it's a little bit like, you know, doubting the existence of Jesus.
There has been people who have been trying to do that, authors who have spent a lot of time, and I'm sure that a lot of people will find this work that, of course, Spencer has done.
From what I know, Spencer has published more than a book about Islam.
So he kind of did Mohammed Exist 12 years ago, and then he did The Truth About Mohammed, which is another book that he brought out in 2006, earlier on.
So he's been definitely trying to find out more about And I'm trying to do the same myself, from my own personal experience, but also from the research that I'm putting together.
Yeah, because you do a lot of revisionist work.
So that's why, you know, I bring out some things and you can, next book, you know, contrast both, you know, it's great.
No, I mean, he is though, let's not forget, an anti-Islamist.
He doesn't like Islam in any way, shape or form.
So he's kind of like, Well, me neither, you know that.
I don't like Islam.
I don't say that you have to like Islam, but I mean... No, I don't like it because... Objective work.
Now, when it comes to Spencer's work on Mohammed, he talks about the Qarish.
The Qarish basically is this clan that hold control over Mecca and its Kaaba.
He was made of merchants, of people who were controlling the trade routes, which were very important.
And it was actually thanks to Mohammed's marriage with Khadija that he kind of got in the high level of the society.
But the Qarish didn't stand him when he had this revelation.
In fact, kicked him out of Mecca.
Eventually, he would get back into Mecca, destroy all the idols, and then take control of Mecca and make it the holy city of all cities.
But before that, he died in Medina.
He transformed Medina into his headquarters, which was 12 days by camel away from Mecca, so not that close.
But, I mean, it was this the Kharish tribe, which actually resurfaced after the fourth caliph and started to ventilate the hypothesis of creating their own caliphate.
And in fact, after the conversion, I mean, they became converts, but later on they wanted to also have the power, not only the religion.
They embraced the faith and then they said, "Okay, but we want to be in charge here.
We don't necessarily want only Mohammed, his family and friends to be in charge.
So that's where the Qarish kind of resurfaced later on as a problem for the early caliphs.
And at the end of 629, They were very much considered a belligerent faction against what was... because you see the first caliphs were the Rashidun caliphs.
The Rashidun caliphs were basically considered the righteous caliphs and they were all friends and family of the Prophet who end up killing each other.
They all end up killing each other because that is another thing that over and over again I notice in Islam.
When I went to visit the tomb of Jalal ad-Din Rumi in Konya, I heard this incredible story, and I started to understand that basically these people were really weird, because everybody thinks about Rumi, of course Jalal ad-Din Rumi is a Sufi.
Now, Sufism was not really born with Mohammed.
We can say that Sufis started to manifest soon after the death of Mohammed, and later on, around the year 1000, they manifested also in the Shia world.
When the Sunnis started to persecute the Shia, there was an encouragement, because the Sufis operate like secret societies.
They're like Gnostics, right?
The Sufis.
Yes, they are Gnostics, but in fact this Gnostic element started to become increasingly appreciated also within the Shia world.
However, Jalal ad-Din Rumi is definitely considered the ultimate, you know, the ultimate Sufi, the ultimate poet.
He was in Iran.
He was in Iran, in Afghanistan, but then eventually his place where he is, his shrine, is in Konya.
And that's where he ended his life.
But he himself came from the Persian region.
So he came from all that area, which let's not forget this.
It's very important, I think, that people understand.
It's not that Islam arrived and then everything that was preceding Islam was destroyed or eliminated.
Yes, maybe externally, exteriorly, in Cabo where you're showing there, of course, all the pagan idols were removed.
But all those Zoroastrians, those Manicheans, those Gnostics of all kinds, shapes or forms, are to be found in that area.
And also, going back to the Hermetic culture, the Hermeticism was lost for a period of time in the West.
And it was because, like you said, in Spain there was the Arabs and that knowledge kind of resurfaced into Europe coming from there and then arriving into Italy and giving birth to the Renaissance.
So, and the Jews, the Jews in Toledo and Madrid, they recoup all that, because the kings, they wanted to have all the arts and the knowledge and whatever scientific stuff that came also from these, you know, that was very interesting.
The numbers that we still use are the Arab numbers, you know, the numbers that basically are used to this day.
It's not the Latin numbers.
It's known as the Arab numbers.
So the fact that you had people of great culture in a moment in which Europe was having some great problems, because after the ending of the Roman Empire, And then the Byzantium Empire also was attacked left, right and center.
And eventually we see what happens with Istanbul.
Istanbul was Constantinople, which was basically the second Rome.
After Rome, Constantinople became the most important city.
It became the capital of the empire, but it was no longer Christian.
The moment they arrived there, they established basically The headquarters for the Ottoman Empire.
So, Islam definitely was and is an expanding religion, mainly because it's easy to become Islamic.
And it's sociopolitic.
It's sociopolitic and it just absorbs everything around.
That's why my solution for Palestine and Israel is both.
Instead of having two states, they have to convert back to Christianity, like John Adams said.
In 1776, he said, Jews and Arabs, they have to convert to Christianity, liberal Christianity, and they will be modern and they will be great like me and Leo.
And that's why I want to play now the speech, because we went over an hour by George Bush.
Everyone quiet.
Let's play it.
This is scary, guys.
So what is at stake is more than one small country.
It is a big idea, a new world order.
We're diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind.
Peace and security, freedom and the rule of law.
So I say we must clean the house of white America of racism.
Americans who are in the white majority should be proud to stand up and be heard denouncing the sort of racist rhetoric We heard on that tape so loudly and clearly denouncing it that our black fellow citizens can hear us.
White racism may be black people's burden, but it's white people's problem.
We must clean our house.
Well, that was the stuff.
Okay.
Okay.
Ending, I mean, both Bush father, Bush senior and Clinton, two people who definitely pushed for war and more war, Eventually, they also, you know, like Clinton, the whole show of the Oslo Peace Treaty was a pathetic show, of course, but it seemed truthful at the time.
However, the problem here remains when it comes down to Israel, of course, the fact that they have created, of course, the state of Israel, because Israel was something that needed to be created.
It was, of course, in the prophecies, also the Christian prophecies, that the people of Israel need to go back to their land.
But at the same time, They push the Jews, persecuting them left, right and center from Europe, from Russia, the pogroms and everything.
So you can't really blame the Jews for now wanting to defend at all costs their country surrounded by Muslim countries.
The fact that they want to create Palestine with Palestine simply didn't exist.
But then if you want Palestine to exist, why don't you give a piece of Egypt, a piece of Jordan, a piece of... The thing here, the great hypocrisy of what we are seeing at the moment is Egypt that is building fences to block their alleged brothers of the Islamic faith from joining and saving their life.
And why don't they open the borders then?
This is a question.
I understand.
I mean, if we want to be so honest about this whole thing, why is Egypt playing in a way that is completely contrary to any reasoning?
Because if I am there trying to say, oh, this is, you know, Islam, Islam, Islam is our faith that unites us.
You are persecuting Islamic brothers.
And of course, we had that until 10 years ago.
A little more than 10 years ago, also the Muslim Brotherhood that was in power in Egypt.
And the Muslim Brotherhood was a creation of Freemasonry from the West that basically created all these factions that ultimately have brought us these terrorist factions to life.
Now the last, of course, are the Houthis.
But if we go back in the history of terrorism and all those terrorist factions, including Hamas that was chartered in the second half of the 80s, and of course blames... Excuse me, Leo.
Have you ever seen a Christian terrorist?
I've never seen a Christian terrorist at all.
But they would not have been even Islamic terrorists if it wasn't for those Freemasons in the West who pushed... I know, the same as Israel.
Remember in the 40s and 50s they had also their own terrorist group bombing the British Embassy and stuff like that, even killing one of the ministers.
But my solution is the best, because Brother Nathaniel, that he was Jew, he talked about this.
I know he's very controversial, Brother Nathaniel.
Brother Nathaniel.
He's a Christian Orthodox priest.
He's Jew, originally.
He was with Alex Jones the other day.
He was with Alex commenting on this.
And he said, he said they have to convert.
And I think, I think he's right.
If they convert to Christianity like us, we've been Christians for a long time.
I mean, I'm not, I'm not like practicing Christian, you know, you know what I am.
I'm more like over there, you know, anarchist or whatever, but I'm okay with Christians.
You live with Christians.
You're a Christian.
Your family's Christian.
Everyone is Christian around.
We are Christians because we come from a Judeo-Christian background.
In Europe, the West is, of course, more civilized because they had embraced Christianity.
But if you think that these people will suddenly embrace Christianity, you're out of your minds, guys.
You have to be realistic.
I mean, I don't know what goes on on the Alex Jones Show, but Because, like I said, I don't follow it, but I can say that to think even hypothetically that these people would change their faith and throw away more than a thousand years of history, it's completely insane.
We need to understand that they have their own culture, that they were brought up, you know, since, I mean, there was, like I said, there was the Byzantine Empire.
I mean, the Byzantine Empire preceded the parts of all those elements that Then, for example, went like the Arabs that then conquered and ruled Sicily.
They were, first they were Christians, then they embraced Shia Islam, and then they went and ruled for the Fatimids, Sicily.
They were forced to embrace, they didn't embrace, they were forced to do that.
I think that they were all moved also by their own convenience, you know, by their own interest.
So some of them were forced, but some of them also were moved by their own interest, economic interest.
Well, economic, yeah.
But once you're Christian, you never go back to any other religion.
Not Hindu, not... Let's see what... I mean, yeah, absolutely.
I'm being very pro-Christian, not being Christian.
You see, because we go through an evolution here.
Okay, but it's never been in the history of... Religious history.
Apart from the moment in which, rather peacefully, The Normans managed to get Sicily back to Christianity.
We have to understand that Sicily, for example, how did the Arabs arrive in Sicily in the first place?
They arrived in Sicily in the first place because They were called in by, there was a revolt there and the Byzantine Empire was incapacitated and asked for the Muslims to help them.
And rather than help them, they arrived there and invaded the whole place.
Now, I'm talking about Sicily because I'm half Sicilian, so I know the history of where I come from.
And I can tell you that, of course, there were forced conversions, especially because the first Arabs, the first Muslims to arrive to Sicily were Sunni and were rather peaceful in their approach compared to the Shia.
Once the Fatimids arrived, and then the proxies later on, they were forceful in their conversions.
They went like, in one day, they will take 1,500 children and they will exercise the circumcision and exercise.
In a barbaric way.
And a lot of the children, of course, died of infections and stuff.
And they did it in one day.
1,500 children in Sicily were forced into that conversion.
Now I understand why the Mafia comes from Sicily then.
There are tough people there.
If you want to know a little bit more about that, Mafia was the name of a tribe.
Arab tribe that was ruling over Palermo.
And mafia is also the name of the Islamic tax, basically translated is the tax that was paid.
If you want to open a business, you have to pay this tax.
And that's what mafia does still to this day.
The government.
So there is, aside from the Masonic origins of the mafia, which are truefold, there is, of course, the Masonic origins of the mafia.
There is also the ethnic origins of the mafia, which are to be found within the presence of Islam in Sicily for 300 past years.
So, look.
Leo, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna wrap it up here with the very last one minute of Anthony Sussan talking about he how he unraveled the mystery of Skull and Bones.
That was Leo Zagami.
I almost like pronounce it like the Bolognese.
Leo Zagami.
I like pizza a lot.
I still remember.
Going back to talk about Italy, it has to be understood.
It's divided in two by Rome and the north of Italy never saw the Islamic occupation.
That's why the south of Italy from Naples going downwards is a completely different place.
Different kind of culture, different kind of food.
And you arrive, the more South you go, the more Arabic it gets.
And you arrive to the South of Sicily, in which basically you are eating the same things you eat in North Africa.
That's the problem, people.
That's why you have to go to Northern Italy, where they're Christianized.
They had the great Massini there, one of the No, no, Mazzini and all the people who came after with what the Risorgimento, they were Freemasons.
They didn't care about religion.
Actually, they were pretty much anti-religious because they identify the Christian faith with the Vatican that needed to be taken to permit the unification of Italy.
So I'm Franco Nero.
I'm Franco Nero.
I'm Rafael Lacarrà.
Well, Raffaella Gara, I think, was one of the most influential artists.
People maybe don't know who she was.
From Rimini, from Rimini.
Great, great, great city.
If you're watching us from Rimini, we say hi to Rimini.
No, but she was probably more influential than Federico Fellini in the sense that her dancing, She was very popular in Spain.
She was very popular in Portugal.
She was very popular in North America.
She was a great ambassador of the Italian culture.
In a time in which you didn't have the internet, you didn't have this technology that puts us all together in front of the fucking Nintendo, the PlayStation.
We didn't have even cellular phones.
And we just call each other from the house.
I must say that the incredible thing of the rise of Raffaella Cara within the world of the entertainment business, I mean, she went from being the girlfriend of Frank Sinatra here in America, abandoning Hollywood, Going back to Italy and instead rising into the Italian mainstream.
And then later on, because she was really good with languages, she spoke good Spanish.
She actually went and entertained the whole of the Latin American world.
It was quite an amazing story.
And she was not amazing.
And we say hi here.
We say hi to all Italy.
Italy, a great country.
So I hope all the tractors and farmers and growers well.
The tractors, we know what is happening with the farmers all over Europe.
You cited it at the beginning of the show.
At the moment, from what I know, the actual organizations that are closest to the unions are almost abandoning the protest.
However, there is some hard line, some People who are going to revolt or at least want to continue with the protests and amongst them there is the old direction of the Forconi movement with Danilo Calvani.
Having said that, knowing the people who are involved with Danilo Calvani, I would say that this is another show that precedes the European elections and that behind closed doors they will find a way to eventually stop this protest.
They are protesting for the future of not only the farmers, but anybody who wants to farm, even privately, you want to grow a crop.
This is actually considered in the future a crime by the New World Order and the European Union.
An enemy.
A fascist.
That wants to prohibit any form of self-sufficiency.
Self-sufficiency.
Growing your own products and stuff.
Of course.
Absolutely.
And they call them fascists because they produce and they eat.
That's what the president from Spain said the other day.
He said, no, no, if you eat and produce things, you're a fascist.
These tractors and these farmers are fascists.
They are entrepreneurs.
I mean, it's so fucking crazy, man.
My own experience with, of course, also the farmers which participated, the Forconi protest 10 years ago is that unfortunately most of them will be eventually sent back home with some vague promise and they will probably believe in it.
I don't know really.
I don't think that Europe can peacefully be put back in... I mean, the sovereignty of Italy and of all the other countries now jeopardized by the European Union technocratic dictatorship.
We'll see.
We'll see, Leo.
Don't worry.
I trust it's our last bullet.
The farmers and the growers.
Hopefully.
Hopefully.
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You can get them on Amazon or go on leosegami.com for all my latest articles and God bless you all, guys.
And God bless you too, Leo.
You're awesome, man.
Very interesting conversation today.
I'm Tom Rivers and you're not.
And you'll see me soon.
Bye bye.
I'll be with the Chief Farmer in Spain and Portugal in one hour.
Bye.
Ciao.
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