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Jan. 23, 2024 - The Leo Zagami Show
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Ancient Connections between the Illuminati & Extraterrestrial Life with Dr. Michael Salla
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Leo Zagami has spent many decades as a member, leader, teacher, researcher in secret societies.
He's had his own radio show, he's been a music producer, an investigative journalist, he has written a nine-volume series of books on his experiences within secret societies called Confessions of an Illuminati,
He's written standalone books on Pope Francis and the Invisible Master, and he's here today on ExoPolitics Today to tell us about the latest developments concerning secret societies, extraterrestrials, gods, and how that all relates to contemporary political events on our planet.
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And now, here's Dr. Michael Sala.
Well, welcome, Leo.
Great to have you on ExoPolitics Today.
You've got quite a background.
I mean, how did you get time to do all of that?
You must have started very young.
I'm 53 years old and I come from, I guess, a peculiar family, aristocratic family.
My mother related to the Queen Mother, member of the lion family.
And from my father's side instead, a member of the De Gregorio, which is a family from the Second Roman Empire of Barons in Sicily.
And my grandfather was a Sicilian politician, a senator of the Italian Republic.
My father was instead a young psychoanalyst.
who studied and founded also an important organization, a psychoanalytic association called GAPA, and was working with Mayer, who was the direct disciple of Carl Gustav Jung.
So he worked for a few years also in Switzerland.
And thanks to my own, I guess, background and family experiences, I developed certain interests from a very early age.
And later on, I kind of changed as people change during life.
And in 2006, I decided to come out of certain environments and to denounce also my involvement because I was threatened and I was...
I was threatened with my life, so I didn't really have another chance.
I had to expose what I knew before they possibly killed me.
And I did it by bringing out in the open names, photos, documents, and these form then later on the basis of my books.
Because between 2006 and 2009, 2008, let's say, I kind of was able to stay on the internet But then the attacks was very, very strong.
And I wanted to also show the people that my work was a credible work.
And you can't not really do that on the Internet where the attention span is only a page or two.
So I wanted to bring out these books.
I started to bring them out in 2009 in Japan.
Then later on, I brought them out in Italy in 2012, which started to create those some problems for me later on.
And then in 2015, I started bringing out my books with Brad Olson in the English language, thanks to his own publishing company here in California.
We hear a lot about secret societies in different places, the United Kingdom, England, the United States, but Italy always seems to kind of figure very high as a center for the Illuminati and you were involved at a direct level with the Illuminati.
So, so can you explain, you know, what is the Illuminati and how important is Italy for the contemporary Illuminati?
The Ruminati basically are the agents of the Jesuits, which have their headquarters in Rome.
So Italy is naturally a very important location for this kind of organization.
But I was initiated in 1993 thanks to a family friend who was Prince Aliata di Monterreale and he was actually a family friend because he was doing politics with my grandfather and in the early 20s when they saw my interest towards certain things which had already developed from a young age, they introduced me to this gentleman.
Which you can find on the internet and actually his membership of the Illuminati is not even hidden in his official Wikipedia.
He's long gone because he died in the 90s.
His experience with me was to introduce me to this reality, which was basically a very vast reality in which Italy was, of course, very important.
But then we had also Monte Carlo, the Principality of Monaco, as an important base, which I was introduced to later on.
And I was initiated in April of 1993 in his own form of Freemasonry.
which was at the time deemed as irregular because of course you have the recognition of the United Girl Lodge of England and so later on he told me I should regularize my position in England which I did 10 years later with the United Girl Lodge of England when I was living in London.
I moved from Italy to London due to the first problems that I had because of my membership in this organization, because it was the end of what was called in Italy the The First Republic.
It was basically the end of the Cold War.
Things were starting to move on.
During the Cold War, of course, Italy was characterized by a controlled system, by a lodge known as the P2 Lodge, which is quite infamous and quite famous at the same time, which brought at the end
a gentleman called Roberto Calvi to die in mysterious circumstances at Blackfriars Bridge in the early 80s in London and I was basically introduced like I said to this reality and then later on I will also be initiated in other secret societies which I commonly refer as the Illuminati Network
Like, for example, the Ordo Templi Orientis, the Fraternita Sosa Cruciana Antigua and many other secret societies.
And so I started this process of becoming aware of all this and also working as an agent of these people, going around the place also with the cover up of my job, which at the time
It was quite convenient because I was an internationally known DJ, record producer, and so I could really move very well from one country to the other without really testing too much interest.
When eventually I started to expose of this in 2006, of course, things changed.
But there was a period between 2003 and 2006 in which I clashed
There was an internal clash that brought me eventually to walk out and this started in 2003 when I was initiated in a certain degree and I realized that in the end the whole system was compromised and I didn't want to really be subject to those compromises and at the same time talking not only about compromises that can be of
political or physical nature but there was also spiritual compromises because you are engaging with entities especially in certain organizations like the O.T.O.
and these entities of course are used also by these occult magicians for throwing curses and stuff and so in the end I just poked out And I started to denounce them and it wasn't very easy because after less than a few months, I started to receive a visit from the PST, which is the Internal Security Services in Norway, where I was living at the time in Oslo.
And they threatened me and later on in 2008, I was actually accused of espionage in Norway.
And that was very hard for me.
I had to flee the country of Norway, go back to my native country of Italy.
But with this accusation pending, I didn't have any money, anything, because all my assets were frozen.
Eventually, they will give up on this hideous accusation in February 2010, and then I could proceed with my life.
In the meantime, I had built, of course, a new life in Italy after being abroad for 15 years, because I left Italy in 1994 and I went back basically in the summer of 2015 of 2008.
I summarized it hopefully well.
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Well, Leo, maybe you can just explain to us exactly what it is about the upper levels of Freemasonry that people often talk about as being corrupt, but that the majority of Freemasons don't know how corrupt the organization is at that higher level.
First of all, Freemasonry is divided in what is known as Occult Freemasonry and Social Freemasonry.
Now, these two forms of Freemasonry don't necessarily connect with each other.
Occult Freemasonry works out especially in certain rites.
Some of them are not even recognized by regular Freemasonry, like, for example, the Memphis and Mizraim rites, the so-called Egyptian rites.
There is only one of these rights by a guy called Giancarlo Seri, who I know in Perugia, Italy, which is recognized by official Freemasonry and has even opened a sovereign sanctuary, I think, in Russia a few years back.
So, but usually the prevailing form of Freemasonry in the West is, of course, the ancient and accepted Scottish Rite as a rite.
Then the actual in England, for example, where the prevailing form is actually the Royal Arch and the basis for Freemasonry, which is the first three degrees.
And then you have a series of options.
The Occult Elements are not necessarily there, if not in some degrees.
called Rose Quash chapter because it would be antithetic for the Brits to call it ancient skeptics in England.
They didn't want to call it that way.
But the elements, the occult elements are not necessarily there, if not in some degrees.
And like I said, in some forms of Freemasonry, which are at times practiced in secret, even by regular Freemasons who don't want to have problems with a regular standing.
It happens even here in California, for example, where there is regular Freemasons who have an irregular lodge in South Pasadena.
The actual connection with your cult, often apart from these rites, which I said can be a little bit more occult-ish and bring you to certain practices, which can include eventually also evocation of entities.
Well, you are usually recruited from Freemasonry into other secret societies which do these practices, like Ordo Templi Orientis is a secret society that we can define as paramasonic, which saw also the involvement of Aleister Crowley and the known occultists, and they focus
very much on the elementals, on the opening of the chakra for certain rituals and all that.
But it's not technically, it's not really Freemasonry.
It's called Paramasonic order, though it was heavily influenced by Freemasonry.
In fact, at one point Isaac Rorey was invited to correct the rituals and transform them because the Freemasons here in America, in Detroit, said that they were too similar to their own rituals.
Then you have other secret societies, like for example the Temple of Set, founded by the late Dr. Michael Aquino.
You have a variety of secret societies, which I commonly put together and refer to as the Illuminati in my book, but I explain them.
Strictly the Illuminati of Adam Beischaupt.
The Illuminati of Adam Beischaupt, which I also belong to, which I was initiated, and then I carried on, even for a number of years, with a regular Minerva assembly, which is, that's how it shapes up.
You have an earlier degree called the Minerva, in which you direct an assembly of Minervas, and I directed an assembly of Minervas, and I was also the Grand Master for Italy and the Order of the Illuminati Vatican Bishop has more political interests rather than occult or esoteric interests.
So it really depends where you want to go because there are secret societies which are built for religious purposes, others for political purposes, and others for occult purposes.
They can all be part of this system that we call Illuminati, but they each have their own specific mission.
So when it comes down, for example, to exopolitics, which is your subject, I guess, of choice, the alien, the aliens, as we know, there is people like Alan Greenfield, who have dedicated a lot of time to this subject and so on.
in which they take it from an occult perspective.
Of course, for an occultist, encountering certain entities is a little bit different.
It comes with an agreement, I guess, depending on what you're doing.
I mean, if you're working on the basis of some ancient grimoire, you are, of course, evoking these entities.
Like I said, you don't necessarily have the whole of Freemasonry involved in this kind of practice.
It's rather a minority, because the majority of Freemasons, to tell you the truth, are led astray by their worshipful master and grandmasters, who really keep them in the dark about what is really going on in the top levels of this system.
And in places like Australia, for example, they have even prohibited the Freemasons to study or practice esoteric or the occult within the lodges of Freemasonry without a direct permission of the Grand Master.
So, I hope this has described you a little bit, made a bit of clarity in this subject.
Yes, that's helpful.
As far as the kind of invoking of these entities, and of course this is where the exo-political element comes in, that some organizations specialize in invoking these entities.
Some might call them demons, some might call them reptilian beings, kind of coming from different dimensions, and that they are involved in some kind of satanic ritual abuse involving blood sacrifice.
From my experience, for example, There's not necessarily always a satanic ritual abuse when it comes down to entities.
There is definitely, though, an enslavement from these demonic entities to these human beings that gradually lose their humanity and become really driven by these occult forces.
Now, for example, there is the Typhonian O.T.O., which was founded by Kenneth Grant, who was himself a disciple, Valister Crowley had been for a brief time also his assistant and who was kind of very much focused from the 50s in connecting with what he called the serious current in developing basically a connection Valister Crowley had been for a brief time also his assistant and who
And he did it through a lodge, which he called the serious lodge.
And he basically based his work on this kind of connections and later on he became also a prolific author There is also other people who have made various kind of experiments, like Michael Berthiot,
who mixed elements of the Western esoteric tradition with voodoo and went to get initiated in Haiti who mixed elements of the Western esoteric tradition with voodoo and went to get initiated in Haiti and then later on brought back here to America
Now, I was initiated in Oslo in Norway in 2001 in the OTOA of Michael Berthiot and those people were pretty involved in the vocation of entities and also in sacrifices.
Now, when it came down to sacrifices, I went along until they, you know, it was pretty much restricted to animal sacrifice.
When I saw the extractions that started to talk about fetuses and human sacrifice, babies, that is not really something I wanted to do.
And that is something that gradually, actually pretty much immediately, brought me in an open conflict with these people.
Aside from the decision that I made in June of 2006, when I confronted the commandant, Giorgio Badeseri, who was in charge of the International Rotary Division of the United Nations, and who was himself also a former member of the P2, who basically and who was himself also a former member of the P2, who basically didn't want to accept my criticism towards certain things that were happening within the Bohemian Grove here in America and
And eventually we kind of clashed and this whole thing led to me, later on in the fall of that year, starting to expose my previous work within the New World Order.
Can you maybe just elaborate a little bit on that Bohemian Grove connection?
Because I know Alex Jones kind of did that famous penetration where he exposed the kind of what appeared to be a kind of a ritual, a sacrifice with Moloch But that looked like it was just a play.
But is there something real behind that?
Is there some genuine human sacrifice involved?
Now, I talked very much extensively about this subject in one of my confessions because I had the possibility of being guested in 2008 by a high priest of the Bohemian Grove, who was called John Compact, who officially writes, I think, children's books.
But who is a staunch Republican and somebody who used to go there regularly.
And he invited me when I was in London in 2000, I think 2004, there was a conference at the Canterbury Masonic Research Centre, which was, it doesn't exist any longer, but it was an organization that the Marquis of Northampton, who at the time was the Deputy Grand Master of the United Grand Lodge of England, had set up in this beautiful place, which used to be a tower owned by Sir Francis Bacon.
And in this place, there was also an Egyptian Rite Lodge, which wasn't regular, but it was super secret, but there were all regular Freemasons involved in.
And in a conference that we dedicated, I remember, to, which I show actually the flyer in Volume 1, to many faiths and one brother, who basically was a sort of inter-religious Masonic conference.
I met this gentleman called John Compact, and he invited me to go to visit him in Fort Collins, Colorado.
And I eventually, in 2008, four years later, made my way there, and he was very kind.
But I discovered suddenly that the guy was not only a Freemason, but he was much more than that.
He was associated with a witchcraft cult in England known as the Cultus Sabbate, which really kind of made me a little bit scared because I was staying there for two days, three days, you know, on my own in this house.
And he had the biggest occult library he claimed in the U.S.
downstairs.
So I went downstairs and he actually had thousands of books, incredible books I must say, And it was a pleasure for me to study and be there for a few days to study all his texts and everything.
But I also started to view these connections that he had with the witchcraft and with serious occult practices.
And then he kind of, one day I remember, we were there for breakfast and he thrown out, oh, you know, I go also to the Bohemian Globe.
I'm one of their high priest.
You know, he kind of like throwing it out like this.
And I was like, huh?
So I immediately started to record and I started to have a conversation with him, which ended up after as an interview in Volume 1 of My Confessions.
And so we went one step further from that, you know, I mean, Alex, which I worked for many years as a Vatican expert on Infowars, Of course, went inside the Bohemian Grove and did that scoop.
But I wanted to know a little bit more about what they were doing.
So I started to ask him, are you doing their evocations, magic?
What's happening there?
And he actually told me there wasn't any evocations made.
But regarding the history of it, in my latest book, Volume 9, I explain how there is a direct connection with a guy called John Yarker and with a group called the site, site Baba.
It was a right.
It was a very obscure right.
And also with the lodge that gave birth to the Shalarafia.
Now the Shalaraffia is It exists, there is about 12,000 members worldwide.
It's like a lodge only for German people.
And it was founded back in the 1850s, something like that.
And actually it inspired immediately the rituals and what they were doing, dressing up and all that inspired then the people who opened up the Bohemian Club.
And later on we'll purchase what is now known as the Bohemian Grove, where they do their yearly rituals, I think two or three meetings a year there.
But the connection with John Yarker is particularly interesting because John Yarker was the guy The Occultist, who also wrote Arcane Schools, who very much promoted, just like Albert Pike did for the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, he instead promoted the Ancient and Primitive Rite and the Rites of Memphis and Misery, which Grandmaster was at the time Giuseppe Garibaldi.
who was the guy, one of the unifiers of Italy and also Grand Master of the Grand Orient of Italy at one point.
But he was also Grand Hierophant of the Egyptian Rites.
So I was initiated in the Egyptian Rites and became a 1995 in Norway, in Oslo, in the Polaris Lodge.
And I studied it, of course.
I studied very much these Egyptian Rites, so I could really understand all the various occult connections they had.
But in reality, when it comes down to...
to the Bohemian Grove, apart from meeting up for doing their, let's say, geopolitical analysis that they do together with people like Harry Kissinger and others, and the military-industrial complex has their own section.
They don't really do much awkward stuff, but they build an egregore.
Meaning that the ritual that seems very theatrical, which Alex managed to film, is actually something that stands to build an egregore.
Now, an egregore is an awkward concept, which I don't know if you know about.
But it's basically a terminology that was picked up by a gentleman called Eliphaz Levi,
who himself inspired actually people like Albert Pike because Eliphas Levi wrote the Dogmas and Rituals of High Magic and Transcendental Magic and Eliphas Levi's real name was Abel-Louis Costin and he was one of the reasons for the foundation even of the Theosophical Society because he was incredibly inspirational.
He had managed to evoke
Apollonius Tatiana in London, I think in the 1850s, I don't remember exactly the year, but he went there and he managed to actually do this evocation successfully of this particular figure, which is very admired, especially by the Gnostics and Neo-Gnostics, because you have to understand that entities
have been evoked by the Illuminati for a very long time.
But the Illuminati, who are the Illuminati?
They are basically the old Gnostics.
The Gnostics are elitarian in their own approach to knowledge.
When, before we started the show, I saw the cover of that book of Ellen Page's, I remembered how the Freemasons and people like her People like Tobias Churton, who were very much pushing and have been pushing again all this Gnosticism on us, because Gnosticism is really the belief of the Illuminati.
And the belief is basically not for everybody, but for the chosen ones.
Gnosticism means basically knowledge, but knowledge for who?
For a restricted number of people.
In my latest book, I have a whole chapter dedicated to exposing how the Gnostics have been a threat to everybody, not only Christianity, but also Judaism.
In fact, even before the destruction of the Second Temple, there was a lot of talk between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and there was a lot of talk about the Gnostic heurys, even within Judaism.
Gnostics were the ones who started to evoke entities, even before the arrival of Christianity.
Gnosticism goes back to Babylonian times.
Gnosticism, as you know, was very much cultivated in Alexandria of Egypt.
But Gnosticism is the basis of the beliefs of the Illuminati to this day.
That's why Crowley created his own Ecclesia Gnostica Cattolica.
When you see Ellen Page talking about Gnostic Gospels, of course she's talking about the Nag Hammadi Gospels, but we have a whole bunch of Neo-Gnostics which started to filter and create their own Gnostic church in 1888.
A gentleman known as Jules Doniel, who was a Freemason, who had worked at the archives of the Grand Orient of France, who had been actually starting to become a Jesuit, but was kicked out because he was always masturbating.
This guy here made a science in the headquarters of the Theosophical Society in France in 1888 with the Albigians and the Caters, who were the Gnostics, Can we just back up a little bit, because that's a lot of information there, and maybe people would like to just get an idea.
I do want to talk about the Gnostics, but you said something... The Gnostics, I mention them because those are the ones who evoke the entities.
We want to get to that, but first you talked about the Egyptian rites.
Yes.
And I just wanted to kind of like bring up this, the Egyptian element, because the Egyptians, I mean, they have their gods, you know, Horus and Osiris and Set and so forth.
And so with the Egyptians and the secret societies, I mean, how much of that involves actual beings that we would consider to be gods as opposed to, like, demons?
And are we talking about interdimensional beings?
Are we talking about extraterrestrials?
Interdimensional beings, you know, when it comes, for example, to the Great Pyramid, I mean, the Great Pyramid, like all, you know, I mean, you have, of course, the
The Chamber of the Pharaoh, where apparently also Aleister Crowley slept one evening with his new wife, and he started to recite the invocation of the bonus line, which is basically a grimoire which was just published by him and a guy called MacGregor Mathers, who happened to be at the time the leader of the Golden Dome.
And who was, by the way, the guy who also translated The Magic of Abermelie and the Mage, another very important grimoire which Aleister Crowley used to get in contact with this entity.
So when you are basically in Egypt and you go in the main chamber of the... and at that time, of course, he was able to sleep in it, something that today people, of course, tourists will not be allowed to do.
I remember myself, the last time I was, of course, with The son of Ralph Butrus Galli, who was at the time Minister of Tourism, and we managed to have access in the evening, in the middle of the night.
But usually that's not permitted any longer, especially after the problems with terrorism.
So, but that space inside there, I never really touched anything.
or anything even around in Giza because the main warning which the Muslims always give you is don't touch because the gene is going to jump on you and that is something that is not a joke that people should take very seriously because I mean the concept of the gene of the entity which is also connected to something like a holy relic or in that case also a place
So there is, of course, they call them gods, now we can call them, of course, demons.
They are, of course, dangerous if you don't know how to approach them.
So the initiation served this purpose.
And, of course, the initiation that was made to the Pharaoh was made actually inside the pyramid.
And it was made inside the pyramid, possibly was made on a chair which was made out of what is basically metorite substance, which was also used for a dagger.
As we know, in antiquity, everything that was made out of metorites had also a very important validity, extra energy.
But the initiation that you will be given will eventually put you in contact with these extra-dimensional beings.
And so at that point, they say that even there is a story that even Napoleon had this kind of experience, which apparently shocked him, even if some people say that was just a legend.
So when we're talking about pyramids and invoking these beings, I mean, the pyramids, some say, are portals.
So it would make sense that people would go in there, have some experience or invoke one of these gods, one of these interdimensionals, you know, if we're talking about Horus or Osiris or Set or whoever, that there's a being that's able to come through.
So, I mean, You know, a portal is a gateway to some other dimension or some other space-time locality.
So, I mean, at what point do we kind of like make sense of the difference?
Or is there a difference between an interdimensional and an extraterrestrial?
Okay.
Now, there is a lot of talk about extra Extra dimensional, not being extraterrestrial.
But the moment in which you are extraterrestrial, you are basically also capable of mastering the multidimensionality that brought you here.
So, uh, I'm not one of those people who says, uh, you know, takes only one stand and says, Oh, these creatures are, uh, they're not really alien.
They come from another dimension.
Uh, listen, if you have mastered multidimensionality, You are capable of also traveling through the universe.
That is, so it doesn't really make any difference.
When you talk about Satan in a Christian, Christian Judaic term, a Christian term, you know that he's a fallen angel.
Where is he fallen from?
So, I mean, we're talking about, of course, entities that, in a way, have been with us for a long time in parallel universes.
And, of course, quantum physics can explain that even better, because nowadays, with people waking up to the reality of quantum physics, they seem to also understand more and more the idea of multidimensionality.
From my own personal experience, because here we have to go back to my own personal experience, I practiced the magic of Abramel in the Medj in Rome in 1993, and I eventually came to have an experience that was paranormal.
It was basically the materialization of an entity.
And this happened during the magic of Abramel in the Medj, which is a six months long ritual.
Well, another group that is kind of like very popular in terms of the literature concerning the extraterrestrial involvement in human history are the Anunnaki.
And of course, the Sumerian texts talk about the Anunnaki and the Anunnaki creating humanity and creating humans to mine the gold and to be used as slaves.
And there's a connection also with, or is there a connection with the Elohim of the Bible?
Because if we go to Abraham, I mean, Abraham was a Sumerian.
So when he's, you have that tradition with the Elohim and the Bible.
So is that a derivative of the Sumerian For example, we know that there was a great flood and then all these giants died, no?
But in occult terms, when Eliphas Livy took out this concept of egregore, meaning of thought form, which is generated by a lodge, by a group of people and so on.
He picked up on a name, E. Grigori, which is connected, of course, to these beings, but also to their ghost, because once they disappeared, they didn't really disappear, but they still keep on manifesting on another dimension, if you know what I mean here, but they still keep on manifesting on another dimension, if you know what I mean here, because we are talking about, of course, So they created a mixed race of giants.
And at that point, though, that there was, of course, they were punished by divine retribution.
And that was also why we have developed ourselves in this way as human beings.
So, The actual Anunnaki demons, call them however you want them, are of course involved with mankind's history.
But that's why, when it comes down to exopolitics, people need to understand how to relate to these beings.
Because if you relate to this being in a superficial way, you can end up mixing Astaroth, who is a demon, with Ashtar Command, which is a new age creation by a guy who lived around the corner from here, where I live.
As you know, created this whole myth of the Ashtar Command, but in reality it's a demon.
So there is a lot of misunderstandings regarding these entities.
Also because, and this is something that I've started to focus on Volume 7, but now I fully explain in my latest book Volume 9, and of course I also explain to a certain extent in The Invisible Master,
This but my latest conclusion is that basically these crashes like Roswell and maybe even before there was the one in Magenta in Italy at the time Mussolini has brought us to deal with reverse engineering.
And reverse engineering is basically the Trojan horse which brings us to now to the reality of cyber Satan which is manifesting around us and will engage us by 2030.
So we imagine Exo-politics as a bunch of, you know, like in a kind of situation where you have the spaceships on top, landing and invading, war of the worlds kind of scenario.
Well, that's not really how it's manifesting, because the moment in which, from the 1950s, we started to develop artificial intelligence with the reverse engineering that we have obtained, we have literally built a digital cage around us, which they will take advantage of.
And that is basically what Christians call, of course, the Mark of the Beast.
But this is basically the trap that these beings have built around us so they can cage us.
And that's what they're doing.
Well, going back to the Anunnaki, I mean, the Sumerian texts talk about different agendas, different Anunnaki, and of course the Bible talks about the Elohim, you talk about the, you know, like the Book of Enoch talks about the fallen angel and the righteous angels.
So, you know, when we're talking about these inter-dimensionals that are able to come through portals or travel through space-time in craft, I mean, how important is it to distinguish between the positive and the negative?
I mean, you know, it sounds as though, yeah, can you talk about the positive factions of the Anima and how they're related to, say, the positive elements of the Elohim?
The positive element depends on your own vibration.
There is a lot of superficiality in the New Age movement.
People think they can automatically channel angels, get in contact with angelic beings.
That doesn't happen.
It doesn't happen.
It happened for Moses.
He went 40 days on Mount Sinai and then came back down with the tablets and then there was the Golden Calf and then he had to go back up.
But that was a particular moment when you are actually arriving with your 40, because 40 days is also a practice within the Illuminati, which is well known.
It was well known by Count Cagliostro.
It was, of course, known by Jesus, who went for 40 days in the desert.
The 40 days practice is basically in order to enter in contact with the angelic realm that can be, of course, directly administered by God and come in contact with you.
But it's very few people that have that purity of heart To be able to make that connection and to vibrate and to be able to see them.
When you start playing with other kinds of entities, they will definitely materialize in front of you.
And I'm talking about the more demonic ones, the lower realm.
Those are more easy to encounter.
And I think that's what you're meaning here, if I'm understanding right.
Well, I don't know.
I mean, we've had lots of stories about people meeting angels or being saved by angels.
I mean, those are as common as people think.
That is usually a close death experience.
Now, a close death experience is all a very powerful experience.
I think it's one of the most powerful experiences that a human being can have.
I personally had it when I was very young.
I drowned and I was saved by miracle and brought back to life.
And I still remember the moment in which I was almost ascending through this tunnel of light.
But obviously I'm still here, so I'm still alive.
And I regard it as a very important moment in my own life that maybe in a way helped me later on in life not to fear certain things.
But when it comes down to the entities, the entities that of course are malignant, that are negative, are definitely more easy to deal with and to evoke.
The ones that instead, like I said, are more, if it's not, like I say, a near-death experience in which then suddenly you are saved by an angel, that is a different thing.
But I'm talking about the actual sitting down and saying, OK, I'm going to evoke an entity and materialize it in front of me.
Well, that's not possible without a purpose.
If it's in the angelic realm, if it's in the demonic realm, you have to give them something.
You have to sacrifice something, because otherwise they're going to take you as a sacrifice.
So, when you go and open a grimoire and want to, I don't know, evoke Lucifuge and you want to suddenly... Yeah, but what are you sacrificing to this demon?
Because if you don't sacrifice, they're going to come and get you.
So, that's right.
Well, in your book, Invisible Masters, you talk about the Illuminati wanting us to believe that the Anunnaki are our creators.
So, yeah, can you elaborate on that?
Because I thought that's what the Sumerian texts actually discuss.
The Sumerian texts say that the Anunnaki created us, or the Assembly of Anu.
I mean, they talk about the Anunna creating humans, but you're saying the Illuminati want us to believe that.
So, can you elaborate?
In my book, and of course you have been a protagonist of Ancient Aliens, I'm quite critical of the fact that suddenly History Channel and the mainstream media is pushing that kind of theory, simply because that is giving these creatures a benignant kind of image in front of us, rather than a malignant one, a demonic one.
So that is my main criticism here regarding the fact that we are, of course, you know, these are, you know, God is our creator.
And so when I discuss You know, the fact that they want us to believe the Illuminati prefer us to see things in that way is because first of all, I explain that they want us to believe that because like I said, it's more convenient for them.
That we believe they are benignant, that they are, you know, are benefactors rather than they are enslavers.
Now, the Gnostics, for example, have the concept of archons, the concept of aeons, the concept basically of a god which is malignant towards mankind and wants to enslave mankind.
Now, I'm not embracing that kind of belief, but definitely there is For us, the possibility of falling and perceiving things in the wrong way if we are not prepared.
So.
I hope that this answer is OK, but I don't really understand what reality the question exact question was here.
OK, well, maybe I'll come at it in another way.
You distinguish between extraterrestrials that have helped genetically engineer humanity and those extraterrestrials that are crippling humanity.
So some are helping cripple us, our DNA, and others help genetically engineer.
Whether you're talking extraterrestrials like the Argonauts, Yeah, first of all, from my point of view, I take it always from a Judeo-Christian point of view.
These entities were punished.
Of course, the Book of Enoch, I guess, is probably the one that gives us a more clear description of the whole thing.
They eventually encounter the Daughters of Man, they cooperate, they create this mixed race and all the rest.
I firmly believe that's the case, but I also firmly believe that God, apart from the fact that of course they have helped giving us some knowledge, transmitting us some knowledge, like for example there is Black magic is being transmitted.
I mean, at least the occultists, the Illuminati, teach that black magic was transmitted by those fallen angels that we find in the Book of Enoch.
While instead, the actual other forms of magic were transmitted instead by the development made by the sons of Adam.
And so there is also a distinction here that this, I mean, these entities that we see portrayed in the past are beneficial in the end, because also we have to understand our concept of space and time is restricted to our own lifetime.
When instead, if you see all this, even the negative events, and that's what I also talk about in The Invisible Master, from an outside point of view, from a point of view of somebody who lives in eternity.
Well, then things manifest, you know, a negative thing that can happen, like the disappearance of the dinosaur can produce the possibility for mankind to develop later on.
If you know what I mean, if you understand my concept here, it's like we have to understand that at times some negative events are triggered, so then some positive outcome.
And that is part really of the alchemy and the transformation, the constant transformation of mankind.
Well, one of the things that we learn from the Book of Enoch is that what happened in the ancient world is that you had this kind of like direct interference by the fallen angels, we might call them regressive extraterrestrials, and how the righteous angels, what we might call benevolent extraterrestrials, kind of oversaw that, and then eventually there was a war, a conflict in the heavens, so that could be like a space battle.
So that's... Modern space battle, I will always call it divine retribution, a little bit like the fall of Atlantis.
There were ten kings, there was an Atlantis that was perfect, with Poseidon as the ultimate god and all that.
But then also there is the moment in which the kings didn't get along very well and in which eventually they will be punished and the whole of Atlantis disappeared.
So you see divine retribution is always around the corner and we have to be respectful of the laws that go along with it.
Okay, well, this is an important concept.
I mean, divine retribution, I mean, that in religious terminology invokes this idea of an all-supreme God that invokes these kind of invisible or etheric angels to defeat the demons in some battle.
But in a I mean, can't that also be just explained as a space battle where you have like a galactic federation, a council assembly that invokes certain galactic rules and says, well, these extraterrestrials that are interbreeding and conducting genetic experiments, they crossed the line.
So we're going to go in there and take them out and punish them.
So, you know, could that also be a form of You know, maybe that's how divine retribution can be explained in kind of like physical terms involving these different high-tech extraterrestrial societies.
Well, I'm of the idea that, of course, a UFO can be driven by a benignant as well as a benignant force.
So it's not necessarily... the technology is not necessarily evil because, you know, my car is not necessarily an evil car.
It depends who drives my car.
You know, if I have a terrorist driving my car, probably the guy can kill 10 people.
If I drive my car, I don't kill anybody.
I just go along doing my, you know.
So definitely when it comes down to the hardware, let's say, the hardware is not necessarily good or evil, but the intention, the entities, of course, that have also rebelled,
I see it, of course, my interpretation is more, let's say, a religious kind of interpretation, because in the Illuminati, the actual way that we see things is always spiritual, religious, and we go beyond the material concept.
But, I mean, I understand that they can be also interpreted in that way.
I mean, I don't have a problem with that.
Well, let's go to this key figure within the Old Testament or the Hebrew religion, Yahweh or Jehovah, however you want to describe him, and I think you could consider him to be an invisible master.
I mean, is this really the same God that Jesus or Yeshua prayed to?
Because, I mean, in the book of Deuteronomy, you have, I mean, this Yahweh commands the Palestinians to commit ethnic cleansing and genocide against these other tribes.
But in the teachings of Yeshua, I mean, he's teaching that the great commandment or one of the great commandments is to love your neighbor.
So, you know, you have a Jehovah or Yahweh saying, you know, obliterate your neighbors, the giants, the Anakim and so forth.
But on the other hand, you have Jesus or Yeshua saying God commands us to love our neighbor as thyself.
So are we talking about two gods that are discussed in the Christian traditions?
No, no.
Absolutely.
I think that, first of all, Moses starts a process which, of course, brings out of Egypt and towards the one God, the belief in monotheism.
Then we have, of course, problems for Moses, because Moses, people don't understand, but he doesn't go out of Egypt with his own Jews.
He goes out of Egypt with what is known as the Erev Rab, the multitude.
And if you go and check what is the multitude, it was basically those high priests, those magicians that were basically defeated by Moses and his brother and decided to follow him.
And they're actually accused often by the Jewish tradition of having interfered.
The Hereb Rav, since then, have always been accused of having interfered with the genuine Jewish belief.
Moses goes, of course, and makes a deal with God, which includes also the Ark of the Covenant, which includes also building a permanent
place that will be brought across the desert for the period of course in which they are still not in the Holy Land, then when they arrive there eventually they will bring these things that facilitate the communication with God and they will plant them in what is the first temple of King Solomon.
that later on will be destroyed and then there will be the second temple.
But the actual connection with the God that is so fierce was perfectly in line with, of course, with everything that happened until the time of Jesus,
in which Jesus then had an approach, of course, in which Jesus then had an approach, of course, that was unusual, and that's one of the reasons why he wasn't really accepted as a Messiah by the Jews, because he didn't do certain things that the Mosaic law they said requested.
Now, it's important to understand, though, that that was a moment of great conflict within Judaism.
There was two currents, one that was very much in line with the Hellenistic beliefs, the other one that was more traditional, and eventually the Pharisees, the Pharisee, as they call them, And when it comes to Jesus and what he said, we have to really interpret very much what he's trying to do there.
after the destruction of the second temple, with in fact also writing down the oral Torah and the Mishnah.
And when it comes to Jesus and what he said, we have to really interpret very much what he's trying to do there.
He's trying to lay the foundations for, first of all, converting to one God, a bunch of pagans, which was the Gentiles.
And he managed to, but there was a lot of compromise that were made later on by his own representatives, including Paul, which figure has always been a little bit controversial because apparently he never really met Jesus.
So I think it's the same God.
Jesus is giving us a possibility, but he's also saying, when I come back, I You know, when he comes back, he's vindicative just as much as the God of the Old Testament.
So we have this period in between in which we have to realize, of course, that he is the Messiah, that he is basically the one that will come back.
But this, of course, is a belief for Christians.
People who are not Christians don't believe this, but the Muslims, for example, also believe it will be Jesus that comes back in the end times, because Mohammed went too high in the heavens and can't come back in the end times.
So we have, of course, a different concept of the Abrahamic faith, but they all converge on a messianic figure.
And of course, we have also probably this difference that you see in the Old Testament and New Testament God, which I personally don't see because I see Jesus as a moment of preparation for what will be an acceptance in the end times, which will go through, though, a very harsh moment because what is going to manifest in the next few years will be for mankind almost unbearable.
But that is, of course, already being prophesied and announced, especially in the Book of Revelation, which ends up, of course, in the New Testament.
Well, in terms of your book, The Hidden Masters, you distinguish between these hidden masters and black magicians.
And I know in kind of like studying the extraterrestrial or exo-political... You see, the book has a great cover.
Let me just finish this question.
And the question is that in the Exo-politics literature, there's a lot of stories about these kind of ascended masters or masters of wisdom working directly with positive extraterrestrials.
But there are also stories of black magicians kind of like trapping extraterrestrials who get too close, invoking them and trapping them.
So yeah, can you clarify this relationship between these invisible masters, black magicians and different extraterrestrials?
Well, yeah, they call them secret chiefs.
They call them invisible masters.
But sometimes, like the cover shows, they can be a gray area, which is not well defined as good or bad.
Because we go back to what I said earlier, the intentions of some of these hidden masters on what will manifest thanks to their work It's not like their intention is not necessarily good or bad, but will manifest something in the long term, which maybe we define as bad in the short term.
So it's always a little bit confusing.
But this ascended master literature comes mostly from the Theosophical Society.
Now, the Theosophical Society is a direct, it descends directly from Spiritism.
From the 1850s, the moment in which we have Spiritism, we started to see the manifestation of something unusual.
We also start to see a lot of charlatans that, of course, make a lot of assertions that are completely misleading.
So we have to be very careful.
But this led to the foundation of the Theosophical Society by Madame Blavatsky, who was herself a medium.
And from the Theosophical Society, we can say that ufology starts emanating from what is actually theosophy, but also modern Satanism.
So we have, you know, people that were definitely very dubious in their acts, like George Adamski, It's a very dubious figure.
What kind of entity was he connecting with, really?
And so we have a lot of awkwardness, though, right at the start of the past century, especially the ones involved with Aleister Crowley, who started to get involved also with the very early Well, can we just go back a little bit there?
I mean, you mentioned George Adamski and being a very questionable figure.
I mean, I didn't find anything in Adamski's literature that kind of made me think that he's a questionable figure.
I mean, he spoke about the Space Brothers and meeting them and them being these ascended masters.
As you know, in my book I write about his relation with the Vatican, for example.
with Perego, and if he did or not met with the Pope, and what did that mean?
So obviously we can consider Adamski a benevolent figure, but we can also consider him somebody who was working very close with the Jesuits and with the people that I don't personally I mean, he was also, of course, from that he created that Royal Order of Tibet.
He was basically involved with the people within the Theosophical milieu, let's say.
Theosophy kind of manifested in what became the Space Age.
I wrote that book, Flying Sources of Land, in 1953.
But it was also, I mean, in that period, we have also people like Meade Lane, for example, with the Borderland Science Research Association, who also uses theosophical terms in that famous document, which also circulated when they published it on the FBI vault.
Do you remember the one about interdimensional beings?
A document that was published the same week as the Roswell crash, which was advising people to be careful about these entities.
Of course, their take was that they were benevolent in their invasion.
But of course, that is the take of Madeleine and of course of his medium that was working with him.
I think it's very interesting that at that time, this is when the exile politics literature talks about different extraterrestrial groups arriving, human groups arriving to human groups arriving to warn the
The Eisenhower administration about developing and using thermonuclear weapons and negative groups associated with, say, these tall greys from Orion saying, you know, we want to make deals with you and if you let us abduct a few people then we'll give you advanced tech and so forth.
Yeah, there's different groups arriving.
So, and it seems that Adamski and Mead Lane and those people were talking about this kind of human looking group that wanted to promote this kind of spiritual education or upliftment.
But then the military industrial complex worked with these grey, tall grey extraterrestrials that came afterwards.
So yeah, I mean, I think they're very different.
In my reality, I mean, I was brought up within a more awkward frame of mindset.
So the actual grays have always been seen as a problem because it's a little bit like the demonic side, what the Islamic people call the jinn.
There is many cases of abduction, for example, in the Islamic literature.
of people who are abducted and then brought in this other reality by the gene.
But personally, I talk by my own experiences, you see, and I talk about the stuff which I've studied and I was made to study.
So I can't talk outside of my spectrum of knowledge about things I haven't witnessed with my own eyes.
Now, I witnessed one being of light surrounded by things during the magic of Abramel in the mage.
That was the only time that I literally had something in front of me and it was very scary.
I was petrified.
I couldn't move.
And this really was something that shocked me.
And even if it happened basically 30 years ago, in 1993, I still remember it like it was yesterday.
But I mean, it was my own experience.
I can't talk for other experience of what is being said by other people.
Within the experiences of Secret Society and Freemasonry, Marquis Roberto Caldirola, who is now deceased, but I interviewed also with Princess Corona Camaro 10 years ago.
He admitted that he had seen the greys.
He had gone.
Of course, he was a very important character.
I mean, he was a member of the P2.
He was an aristocrat in Italy.
He had been actually awarded.
He received an award by, I think, George Bush.
And so he was actually led into Area 51, and he confirmed that there was actually there some alien creatures.
He did that during an interview which we conducted with Princess Kaoru Nakamaru.
But, I mean, that is what he said.
I have never been in Area 51, inside Area 51, so I can't confirm you that, or seen other things.
Okay.
Well, David Icke is a very interesting figure because he suggests that the British royal family and the royal families in many other countries are dominated by these shape-shifting reptilians.
The bloodline that he focuses on the bloodlines and say and says that there's the aristocracy often have these reptilian genetics and that that's what they can like use to justify their position in these bloodlines and of course he says that they do all sorts of satanic ritual abuses using blood sacrifice and so forth.
So what do you think of David Icke and his theory?
As you know, I talked about the Invisible Master and I was fairly critical about it.
And I simply said that, you know, I'm related to the Queen Mother.
My grandfather was a cousin of the Queen Mother.
I don't have any tail in between my legs.
I never had any particular physical connotation that was different from another human being.
So I know, though, that within the DNA, of course, you can have, you can be a depository of ancient knowledge and all that.
But like I said, I made this very clear.
I think if you read The Invisible Master, you know what is my position on all that.
I didn't have that.
But I have to say that a lot of things that David Huyck say are correct.
But I wanted also to correct, and actually he gave me the possibility in 2006 to publish one of my first articles when I came out with my first blog, and then later on, almost immediately, I got threatened by the security services in Norway.
And I must say that he says a lot of things that are absolutely correct, but when it comes down to the lizard theory, where that's a little bit far-fetched, But still not completely far-fetched, because in reality we see that demons are depicted as lizards in most cultures.
We see that there is definitely a demonic nature in certain families.
Now, I come from this family, which is the lion family, and I know that they used to evoke Lucifer on a Friday, for example.
In the castle of Glamis in Scotland.
And that was a regular practice that they did.
And there is a lot of other occult practices which are done by the nobility in England.
Of this I can confirm the existence.
I can't confirm things that I haven't witnessed with my own eyes.
Okay, all right.
Well, with the recent coronation of King Charles III, I mean, what role does he play in the occult hierarchy?
I mean, because England or Britain seems to be playing a very kind of insidious role in world politics at the moment, and some people have suggested that King Charles is like the Antichrist.
So what's your take on King Charles, the occult hierarchy, the Antichrist, and so forth?
Well, talking about that is a subject which I discussed in Volume 8 of my Confessions, which is another of my books, in particular because in Volume 8 I discussed very much the entertainment business and as you know, they all end up in one way or another bowing down to the Queen before and now the King of England.
They get knighted like Mick Jagger or They get bestowed some kind of recognition.
He is definitely somebody who, in my view of things, could be the Antichrist, just as well as Prince William, but it could be also Barack Hussein Obama.
I mean, we can't be certain.
But of course, when it comes to the bloodline, the bloodline is a very important aspect.
And on that, we don't have, like I said, I don't have a physical characteristic that I can recognize as being different.
But when it comes to the spiritual side and to the shape-shifting, well, there was once a person who said that they saw my mother shape-shift and I was like, A little bit, you know, but was that shapeshift physical or was it something that they perceived?
So, and we're talking, like I said, Jessica Lyon Young, my mother is a direct relative of Prince Charles.
So, I mean, she's the head of the expats in Italy.
So somebody, I'm not saying it lightly.
I'm saying that I have, of course, the utmost respect for my own family, but I also know that they have this, Dark side, which is present.
And that, of course, especially when it comes down to the Windsors and Prince Charles and now King Charles, it's pretty obvious.
I mean, a guy who had his best friend Jimmy Savile and his brother had his best friend Jeffrey Epstein.
Of course, these people are sick.
There has to be something wrong with them.
It's not normal.
And I can say also, and I can confirm you this, that there is a lot of dark things that happen within the British aristocracy.
That's why Aleister Crowley was so successful.
And that's why there is a lot of occultism also entrenched within the English security services.
MI5, MI6 have had relations and involvement with occultists.
The English Secret Service has definitely always been linked with the occult aspects.
Also, there is another thing, though.
Here we are talking with a guy who is the cousin of the Grand Master of Freemasonry, the Duke of Kent.
His brother, Michael of Kent, is the head of the Mark Masons, which is also another important branch of Freemasonry.
Freemasonry, in general, in England, the United Grand Lodge of England, which I was a member of, Has of course a direct relationship with the Royal Family that no other form of Freemasonry has around the world and that's why every single Grand Lodge in the world including the Grand Lodge of Australia or other countries in the world have always to seek the recognition of the United Grand Lodge of England.
So there is, and the bloodline though, which I personally was acquainted with, and I published thoughts in volume two of my confession, is the bloodline that goes from the Lyon family all the way back to King David.
So there is definitely also a link that they claim to have with the House of David.
Well, one thing that kind of recently emerged was that there was a remote viewing of the coronation of King Charles III.
And, you know, you have the public coronation, everybody saw that.
Ostensibly, that's where the power is transferred.
But there was a remote viewing conducted by a group out of Hawaii called CryptoViewing.
Run by Dick Allgaier, and he says that what they remote viewed was that there was a secret ceremony, a secret coronation that involved blood sacrifice where King Charles assumed the real power.
So, yeah, what do you, do you know anything about that?
Was there a secret ceremony that where the real power transferred to King Charles?
There is, of course, secret ceremonies, but I don't know about what you said.
I mean, it seems a little bit, to me at least, a little bit far-fetched.
Having said that, everything is possible.
But like I said, I'm, as a journalist, I always attend to the facts.
I mean, I'm always attend to the facts.
And I think that definitely there is something going on in the family that will manifest.
Because when I was within the realm of British Freemasonry, they make me acquainted with the way that Prince William was conceived.
And when they told me how Prince William was conceived, I was absolutely shocked.
They made it in a way so he could actually be born to celebrate the summer solstice.
And they made all series of, I remember, calculations that involved astrological calculations, very complex ones, So, I mean, there is even a story that goes around that I heard after to confirm all this in which they said that
Prince Charles, at the time Prince Charles with Lady Diana, was there reading all these books of black magic and preparing for the conception as an occult ritual.
So that is something that instead I had confirmed from, I remember Tony Henley, who is a very important Freemason in the United Green Lodge of England, and also head of another internal group called the Louis de Coen, which are also very influential. and also head of another internal group called the Louis And he confirmed that the conception of Prince William was made in an occultist fashion.
Okay, all right.
Well, that's a... the spirit, because they had to capture a certain spirit.
You see, for every time of the day you have a certain spirit that you can capture, and they wanted to capture a specific one.
I know we mentioned, or you mentioned a little bit earlier, something about these Masters that are associated with the Theosophical Society, Madame Blabatsky.
So I just wanted to get you to kind of like share what you know of the Masters of the Far East, that series of books by Baird Spaulding, where he talked about these kind of like ascended beings living in the Himalayas and other Okay, first of all, the first people who actually opened up Tibet to the West were the Jesuits.
They were the first people to arrive to Tibet and they were the ones who took control spiritually of Tibet a long time before Madame Blavatsky ever visited or ever encountered her own experiences.
So once she encountered her own experiences, it was already polluted by somebody who had been there and who had already planted the seeds for this whole misconception.
So the master, this hidden master from the East, who, of course, you know, Madame Blavatsky cleverly consults and all the rest, there is, unfortunately, also the influence of the Jesuits also lurking behind the also the influence of the Jesuits also lurking behind the corner.
They are the occultists of the Vatican.
They were the ones that, when there was the Reformation, they were nominated as the heads of the Counter-Reformation by the Catholic Church.
There was the founder, Gnace Loyola, who went into a cave, consulted with these entities, and eventually came out with the spiritual exercises, which are still practiced to this day by most powerful people on the planet. which are still practiced to this day by most powerful Madame Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society, soon after the death of Blavatsky, were taken over by the Jesuits, and this is common knowledge even for theosophists.
Not all the branches, of course, but they were taken over, and then they immediately also created that fictitious messiah who was Krishnamurti, which of course then went in front of everyone and said, I'm not the Messiah.
This whole thing is BS.
And that was, of course, the exposure of the Theosophical Society made by Krishnamurti.
But these ascended masters that the people claim exist, you know, like, for example, the Count de Saint-Germain.
Now, the Count de Saint-Germain was a serious historical figure who was definitely involved within the Illuminati at a very high level.
Who was involved also with alchemy.
Who initiated also the Count Cayostro.
But then to push him there as an ascended master.
Well, you have to understand.
Theosophy is the ground zero of the New Age experiment, which is very important for the Illuminati to manipulate and control and then craft and put together the future One World Religion.
Okay, well, there's another book I wanted to ask you about, which is kind of similar to what we were talking about in terms of masters in the Himalayas, and that is Yogananda's Autobiography of a Yogi, and in that he talks about a master in the Himalayas called Babaji.
So again, you have this idea, and this has nothing to do with the Jesuits.
This is a very clear influence of Vedic India, that it's part of this Kriya Yoga tradition of these Ascended Masters in the Himalayas.
First of all, you think it doesn't have to do anything with Jesuit, but remember one thing.
The first thing Ignacio Loyola did was to send his emissaries to China, where they become assistants to the emperor, to India, where they become assistants to the number one Brahmins, and to Tibet, where they were the first Westerners to actually get initiated and stay there as lamas, because The way that the Jesuits operate is not by identifying as Jesuits, but by transforming themselves.
So, having said that, going back to, of course, Yogananda, we are talking about somebody who has brought into the West something like meditation.
These practices would probably never have been brought here to the West without the input of the Theosophical Society.
Is this input always been negative?
Not necessarily.
But having said that, I don't personally think that the practices of Yogananda are necessarily something that I want to engage with.
But for the Westerners, a lot of Westerners have also been misled by people like him.
And then, of course, that is something that has happened.
I will not be able to say.
There was Crowley who at one point said to one of his disciples, go to India and get initiated in all these various currents.
And so he also talks, and he himself actually also has created an organization called Amukos, which basically mixes the elements of the tradition of Babaji with the elements of the tradition of Alistair Crowley.
Let's not forget that Crowley founded the AA with Bennett, who was the guy who brought for the first time Buddhism to Great Britain.
So there is always a connection here.
And the Theosophical Society, of course, was the mother of all connections for bringing over and mixing elements of Babaji.
Well, you know, I think this is probably your point of disagreement, because I think that the traditions of India are kind of far deeper and far exceed anything... Let me finish, let me finish.
Far exceed anything that was contributed by the Jesuits Or by Western innovators like Elena Blavatsky.
I mean, Blavatsky went to India, not so much to introduce theosophy, but to kind of glean or to learn from the Indians what they had, because their traditions go back thousands of years.
So if we're talking about religion, I don't think you could say that the Jesuits have somehow These traditions will not have been imported in the West if it wasn't for the Theosophical Society.
Ngunanda and Ngunitishna and Aurobindo.
But, you know, these traditions stand alone and I think above.
These traditions will not have been imported in the West if it wasn't for the Theosophical Society.
The Theosophical Society was the network of the British Empire, which India was part of.
When you talk about India, you talk about a place where I, My father brought me to India when I was six years old.
And I spent months in Ceylon, also in India.
So I know a little bit what I'm talking about.
It's not that I saw what the gurus do.
I was directly, I went into their temples.
I saw what Hinduism is about.
I saw what Buddhism is about by direct experience, not by opening a book.
So, it's not part of our DNA as Westerners.
I'm not saying that it's something bad, but it's not part of our tradition.
If we were to find our own tradition and we should then go more into the Western initiatic system, like I call it in the invisible master, which, of course, then points us to the studies that were, of course, we have the Gnostics, we have the Rosicrucians later on, we have Freemasons.
These are part of the Western system that, of course, we can discuss.
But, I mean, I don't see them as superior to us.
I mean, even the Chinese have a greater chemical tradition, probably one of the most ancient in the world.
But having said that, we in this part of the world probably can be more closely linked to Egypt rather than to China or to India.
Having said that, probably all these traditions in ancient times were all connected because they have a lot of similarities one with the other.
I tend to think that we should always rely on our own traditions rather than seeing the traditions of other cultures and relying on traditions of other cultures.
If you understand what is my point of view here.
Okay.
All right.
Well, the journalist that knows exactly, I mean, I studied, for example, many years, René Guénon.
René Guénon, I think, wrote some of the most incredible books regarding the Vedanta.
And some of them I have studied and all that.
But, like I said, I'm born in Rome.
I can't, you know, Rome has a tradition of thousands of years.
Why should I look to another country?
I'm not born in Palm Springs.
I'm born in Rome.
Well, you know, because I think it is worth looking at another country, because if you look at the traditions of Rome, These are quite young compared to Vedic India, even young compared to the Sumerian tradition.
The Sumerian texts are much older and a lot of the Hebrew faith is a derivative Of the Sumerians.
And of course, a lot of people like to say, well, you know, the Hebrew faith is older or, you know, the Book of Enoch suggests that it's kind of like it predates the Great Flood.
And so we don't need to look at the Sumerian texts.
But I think that's wrong.
I think the Sumerian texts are older.
It's much richer.
And similarly with the Vedic texts.
I mean, they're older and much richer.
So I would say that, you know, that they have a great influence.
Going back to the Illuminati, the Ordo Tempiorientis was created, in fact, between 1903-1904 between Austria and Germany by two gentlemen, and one of them was Theodor Reuss, the other one was Karl Kernel, and this guy here was a pharmacist,
rich guy who though went to the East, started to bring all these elements from the Vedic tradition mixed in the mean with Sufism, with Western Hermeticism, and then together you construct basically the basis of what is the knowledge of and then together you construct basically the basis of what is the knowledge of But like I said, I talk for what I know, so I talk strictly for what I know.
In that case, there was of course the will of these people who also were very much inclined to follow Gnosticism because Gnosticism is something that they could adapt to many things.
And so they went into the study of certain tantric practices.
They, of course, started to practice what they call sexual magic.
And then that sexual magic was developed here in the West.
But of course, It was born out of practices that were done for thousands of years in India and then they were brought here.
But the O.T.O.
claimed that they could do that because in Austria and Germany there was a different mentality from the English mentality.
Because in the English Victorian mentality, they would have never been able to embrace Tantra or any form of sexuality.
Because, you know, the Victorian times were very strict, very conservative in their upbringing.
So in the Illuminati, there was this Accademia Masonica that later became the O.T.O.
and that Crowley eventually was contacted in around 1910 by Theodore Royce in London because when they read what Crowley was writing, they noticed there was some things that were written which were actually secrets that they were teaching in their own lodges.
And so they, at that point, said, well, we would like you to welcome into this organization, which was, of course, formed by the Illuminati, by the historical Illuminati, because Theodore Reuss had reformed the Order of the Illuminati with a guy called Leopold Engel in the 1880s in Dresden.
So I can talk about what I know.
I can't talk about ancient Vedic tradition because I'm not a religious historian.
I'm just a person who has done his own work within the frames of secret societies.
Okay, all right.
Well, let's kind of move on to the Enochian Apocalypse.
I mean, I just had a look at your website and your kind of most recent article where you are talking about what we are witnessing right now on the planet.
And so, in what way are we at the verge of some kind of Enochian apocalypse?
I mean, how bad can this get?
Are we replaying the final days of the Book of Enoch again, before the Great Flood?
Now, different set of circumstances again, a war between fallen angels and positive angels, or between positive extraterrestrials, negative extraterrestrials, or interdimensionals.
Is this all happening right now?
Yeah.
I try to live in the now.
The Latins used to say, ic et nunc, qui ed ora, as they say in Italian.
Well, the concept that, of course, I have started to explain in my books, and now we are at Volume 9, we started Volume 1, is that basically we're living in a reality which is far different from what the people perceive, and that has a lot of occult actors behind the scenes, just like The Invisible Master has shown.
Like you were talking a moment ago about, of course, the Eastern traditions, but we know very well also what happened with the Nazi fixation with Eastern traditions and with the monstrosity that that brought them to.
So the fact that, for example, in 1910, In 1911, Alistair Crowley published a book with a lot of swastikas after making a ritual in the middle of the desert in Algeria, in a place in which he invoked the demon Corazon to literally open the gates of hell.
Well, that is a pretty serious thing because from that moment onwards, Crowley said the apocalypse will unfold and the First World War started soon after, in 1914, then we have the Second World War, and now we are in front of the Third World War.
Now, we know that the Book of Revelation doesn't talk particularly about one second of Third World War, it doesn't have that kind of timeline, but it talks about a last war.
And, of course, This war that is developing in a third world war will be the last war because with the technology that we have, even Einstein said that the next war will be fought then with the stones and with the primitive means because we will no longer have a society after this third world war.
So what is happening here is simply the manifestation of those prophecies which were also planted Various traditions, the Christian tradition, of course, but also the Jewish tradition, and as well as Islam, the Abrahamic faiths, of course, have a leading role in developing this scenario,
which is going to bring us eventually to eliminate part which is going to bring us eventually to eliminate part of mankind, because their intention is to destroy men now that they don't need them anymore.
You see, the elite knows that now, with the artificial intelligence and with the robotics, they don't necessarily need millions of people on this planet, billions of people on this planet.
And so they have started the process, That, of course, in 2015, when I published Volume 2, I said, in 2010, they will lock you up with a pandemic, and that will be the start.
Then you will have a world war.
And that's it.
It's all part of a scenario that, of course, we are all ready for, but that nobody wants to really accept, because once it manifests in front of our eyes, it will definitely be cruel, like I said earlier.
So this is what is happening.
At the same time, though, I am a believer, so I believe in the fact that we will be able to also have a savior, a messiah that will eventually manifest all the glory of God and be able to fight the enemy.
But the enemy today is winning because From now till 2030, they will manifest the ultimate technology through quantum computers.
The Queen Prince of Darkness will reside in this world.
And we'll be able to manifest wonders that people will be like, oh, wow.
Now, with quantum computers, we'll also start the digital divide, which I've also discussed in my latest book.
And the digital divide means a new form of feudalism.
Because me and you, at the moment, we both have, you know, computers, and we can go outside and everything.
And more or less, you know, everybody has a computer.
Maybe not everybody has a Mac.
Maybe somebody has a PC.
But when it comes to quantum computers, They cost millions of dollars, have cooling systems that are very sophisticated.
And so quantum computers can go inside your cryptocurrency.
They can basically go in every single password in your computer in a second, in a nanosecond.
That means that those people who will own those computers will be the new castles of the future, the new powers of the future.
And that quantum computer is actually of an alien origin.
It's being given to us.
And they are basically becoming the intermediaries with the entities that want to enslave us, the gods that want to come back to enslave us.
But we will, I hope, I'm right of course, and I know I'm right because I have great faith, Stop them and to hopefully create a new reality whereby these technologies will be put to the service of mankind rather than enslave them.
But if we go by what Davos wants, what people like you and Noah Harari want, well, you and I will be enslaved.
Okay, well, to what extent can we hope or expect that some, say, positive groups—I mean, you mentioned a Savior—to what extent can that Savior be linked to some positive groups of extraterrestrials?
There are Quite a few people that have been talking about a galactic federation.
For example, there's this professor from Israel, Haim Eshed, that says that the Trump administration was working with a positive organization, a galactic federation, to kind of like help introduce advanced technologies to humanity.
So to what extent Do we have this happening in the background that there is this process where there is, say, white hats or positive forces within the militaries working with positive organizations of extraterrestrials to prevent this kind of dire scenario that these kind of like secret societies, fallen angels are trying to create?
You can't prevent that kind of war of the worlds happening.
We are beyond that capacity as humans.
We can eventually side with the right side and hopefully avoid enslavement.
But by 2030, the smart cities will start closing their grid on people.
So cities will be no longer habitable for people who want to be free.
They will start to be in positions given to people who want to continue, you know, in their smart world, the smart homes, smartphones, which is basically everything smart is controlled.
And so when you say positive, we are talking here about a messianic figure working with God and of course having those, if you want to call them alien forces, with those angelic forces on his side that manifest in his help.
But that is something, of course, that has to do with God and has to do with his own chosen one who will come on this plane of existence to demonstrate also that they can be able to free those people who have not sold out.
Because the problem is that a lot of people will You know, it could seem like, but they will sell themselves out for convenience and still and say, OK, I'm going to microchip myself.
I'm going to put a computer brain interface because it's going to give me immediate access and make me a super genius.
So there will be people that for convenience will give themselves up to this system.
But then they will be no longer possible for them to free.
They will be enslaved by the machine, by those entities that will manifest more and more.
Because the way that this gradual invasion is taking place is that at one point they will finally show the real intention, but then we will no longer be capable of stopping them if we are already microchipped.
So one thing is definitely to avoid too much interaction with the AI and to not have a smart home, a smart anything, or a smart car, because all this technology is being built around us to then enslave us.
And of course, there will be also the intervention of alien forces, though, what you call alien forces, the moment in which we have the nuclear disasters that will come in the next few years manifesting, because we know that they have intervened in the past, of course, to maybe stop a missile launch or two.
And now we know that these UFOs intervene, especially after the first nuclear experiments, they started to appear.
But we You see, there has to be a clear answer to the Fermi paradox.
And the Fermi paradox, which was made by a guy who was obviously working also on nuclear stuff, Enrico Fermi, has not received an answer yet.
But once you You know that these people have given us everything that we have through the reverse engineering and that this is a Trojan horse.
Well, and that it's manifesting more and more towards their accomplishment, which is to enslave us and to basically suck our souls.
So I hope that we can stay human, reflecting our own beliefs as human.
And that is my own personal belief that there is going to be definitely a war of the words, but as Jews we have to simply have faith and side with the God and with the side that of course is not enslaving us, is not taking away our humanity.
But, you know, more and more you see people enslaved by simply having a smartphone in their hands, watching down instead than watching up.
That is already a sign of slavery.
Right.
Well, on the other hand, I mean, there's a great awakening that is happening now as well.
I mean, the very fact that you and I are talking and a lot of people now go to YouTube or go to Twitter or get the feeds.
They don't go to watch the mainstream news anymore.
I mean, so this kind of like enslavement 93% of Italians vaccinated themselves.
Let me finish.
93% of Italians vaccinated themselves.
That is enslavement during a pandemic that was induced to enslave a population.
So, let's not be… Right, right.
And of course, I mean, in the United States, and I moved to an area, Tennessee, where people chose not to vaccinate.
And now only 50% has decided to take the latest vaccine.
But there's an awareness.
That has grown about the dangers of things like vaccines, of following these politicians or these health experts that mandate vaccines, that there's an awareness that exists now that didn't exist before.
And similarly now, you know, you look at Ukraine.
You look at the war with Russia.
A lot of people are aware that this was a manufactured war.
And now you're looking at Israel.
You're looking at the Gaza Strip.
A lot of people are waking up.
They're manufactured here.
Aren't people waking up?
Isn't this something to get hope from?
You're gonna wake up, but like Putin said, if tomorrow morning they start another war in East Asia, which they will in Taiwan or in the Philippines, and then this confrontation becomes global, the majority of people simply can't do anything because in the past the revolutions were organized by the Illuminati, by the secret societies.
If these secret societies don't give us the possibility to do the revolutions, you will not be able to change the world by shouting something in the street.
Those thousands, millions of people who marched the last few days are just puppets.
This system is controlled.
And if you want to really fight the system, well, in that case, you will have to go for civil war.
It will be a war.
It will be a real war.
There is no way of awakening people and fighting a military-industrial complex with 25 companies that make millions, with Lockheed Martin, which is making $64 billion this year.
You think that your awakening can save you?
Good luck with that.
Well, you know, I think the very fact that people are getting their news by going to our websites, going to our YouTube channels, that is power.
I understand.
In seven years from now, when the quantum computers and the AI will be developed to a level that they will be able to enter in our computers, the moment we even say one word, well, I think that this freedom is temporary.
So if I say, just like it was temporary at the time when I could say anything I wanted on YouTube, and nowadays I can't.
So I had 17 channels removed during the pandemic.
17.
I could have hundreds of thousands of people.
Nowadays, I'm restricted to a minimal audience on YouTube.
Why?
Because I have been fighting the system.
Because maybe I say things that they don't want to hear.
Because before the pandemic, I told them exactly what will happen.
And what will happen with Ukraine.
And what will happen with Israel.
And what will happen tomorrow with Taiwan.
It's been written in my books.
So we are developing two fronts in this new world order, the Sino-Russian front and the American, Western, European front.
And they are fighting each other now.
They're fighting each other.
We already know that the Sino-Russian world order is winning because we have also a bunch of corrupt people here in Washington.
So It's a little bit difficult to believe that with only divulging certain truths we can change the world.
I always invite people, for example, to purchase physical copies of my books rather than digital, because I know that we could face digital censorship in the future, that the AI will go inside their digital kingdoms and they will censor word by word.
So I say to people, go back to the old ways, the printing, the traditional ways.
Abandon anything that is relating to the AI because sooner or later they're going to find a way to censor us through that.
I think that's a good point and maybe we should kind of finish it there.
And so if people want to buy your books, where do they go, Leo?
Well, they simply go on LeoZagami.com where you can find the latest ones or they go on Amazon and they put Leo Zagami.
But, like I said, we are still capable of doing this today.
Who knows if we will be able to do it tomorrow.
So, I mean, I'm a little bit sceptical when it comes down to censorship because I've been really censored for many, many years.
And so, if they censor me, it means that I'm saying something right.
Or not.
I mean, of course!
Well, censorship is a problem.
Definitely it is a problem.
But, you know, we can't, I think, get discouraged by the AI, by the censorship, that we always find another venue, another alternative to be able to get the message out.
And you're doing that now.
So yeah, I just encourage people to take a look at leozagami.com and thank you Leo for sharing your vast knowledge on secret societies and the state of the planet.
Well, I hope that we can find the state of the planet a little bit better the next time we talk, though I'm sorry to say that that's probably not going to be the case, because we are moving towards one of the most critical times in human history, and we require a lot of prayers for what is going to happen next.
And I hope that they help us from above.
That's my hope.
OK, let's hope so too.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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