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Dec. 26, 2023 - The Leo Zagami Show
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CYBER SATAN AND THE ALIEN THREAT ARE REAL!!!
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Hello, Lucas.
How are you?
In your retreat?
Oh, I'm great.
How are you, Leo?
I see you have a nice backup.
Yeah, well, I tried to make it a little bit... Now I'm not in the studio, so I tried to make it a little bit nicer.
It seems like a studio.
It looks like a studio.
And it's nice to see you again.
Always a pleasure.
How are you?
Good, good, great.
Just been promoting my book and preparing some other work in the coming months.
Hello and welcome to this edition of Age of Truth TV.
I'm Lukas Alexander in Skilskore, Denmark.
And our special guest today is a former Italian member of the Illuminati.
He has also been a Freemason and has been writing extensively about his past experiences within these secret societies.
He is an author, lecturer, and truth speaker, and has been writing a series of very popular books called Confessions of an Illuminati.
Here in 2023, he's released Volume 9, and he's here with us today, an old friend of the show, to discuss a lot of the extraordinary and fascinating topics in this book.
Leo Sagami.
First of all, to all of our viewers, please like and subscribe to our channel and hit the bell for notifications.
We have a very special treat for you today because we're joined by a very good friend of the show.
He's been with us many times and he's always a fascinating gentleman because he is an encyclopedia of knowledge.
He has written so many books and there's a new book out, a huge big book in his Confessions of an Illuminati series.
This is Confessions of an Illuminati.
Volume 9, Seven Steps to the Secrets of the New World Disorder from Transhumanism and Immortality to Gnostic Jesus, UFOs, and Insect Witchcraft.
Wow.
He never disappoints, and I'm thrilled to welcome him again from Palm Springs in California, Leo Sagami.
How are you, Leo?
Always well when I'm on Age of Truth TV and I'm able to have a great chat with you and of course with your audience who has been very interested in my work and I'm looking forward to present this new piece of research and at the same time it's also something that is manifesting in a specific contest
that we are living, which is getting closer and closer to that point of no return, which I call the Omega Point in my book, which of course is not my own wording, but it is a reference from a Jesuit called Pierre-Terran de Carden that I have mentioned in the past, and the moment of singularity, as Ray Kurzweil said, in which we might unite man with machine.
So we are kind of moving faster and faster towards that moment.
Great, and there's so much to talk about as always, but I just want to say, first of all, we had you on earlier in this year, in this year, which is 2023, where you were talking about your then-latest book, Confessions of an Illuminati, Volume 8, about Confessions of an Illuminati, Volume 8, about artists and musical artists involved with the cult and the Illuminati.
Yes.
And that was also a 700-page book.
I mean, I'm very happy that you don't produce children as fast as you produce books, because, my God, there's a lot of books coming from you, Leo.
There will be Wes and Genghis Khan at that point, on a DNA scale.
But this book, just like Volume 8, can be read actually without reading the previous ones, because both Volume 8, as you know, is dedicated to the entertainment business, to cinema, to music, and this one instead is really dedicated to all of my prospects of what is happening now, what's going to happen in the coming years.
And of course, I try to do it without forcing people into having to refer to, you know, go to the other books.
I make, of course, citations from the other past books I wrote, but this book can be read just out of the blue from anyone.
So it's important that people who might not have the time
Gather this information as fast as possible because of what is happening and what will happen in the coming years Yeah, well, I think everybody know who you are by well at this time and and if they don't we did a First show with you many years ago where we go into your past history as a quite a high level high-ranking Freemason and your involvement with the Illuminati circles and all of what you went through and and the reason why you know so much and and
And been involved in these dark occult circles, which you've been exposing for many years.
But first of all, now let's talk about this book, Volume 9.
Now, you talk about so many topics, and we'll get into as many as we can in this hour, but there is a very interesting topic of, well, the topic of immortality.
And there's a lot of these occultists For centuries, they have wanted to, you know, they've been searching for a way to, for them to live forever and immortality.
But I'd like to ask you, if you had the opportunity and somebody came to you and said, Leo, you can live forever if you take this serum or whatever they can give you or connect you to some kind of AI and frequencies, would you do that?
And would you want to live forever?
Who wants to live forever?
I go back to the soundtrack of Highlander, which is very appropriate.
I mean, once you live forever, you have to also suffer the consequences of living forever.
I, of course, live in a natural way, so I will probably die in a natural way.
I don't want to have my brain uploaded Or nanotechnology inserted in my body to save myself from cancer or anything else.
I think that we all have our expiration date, but this expiration date is of course in the material form, because our soul might live forever.
I'm much more inclined to believe that we can live forever without having to extend our physical presence of now, because we might have a physical presence in the future, who knows?
I mean, there is people who believe in reincarnation and I tend to think that reincarnation was actually one of probably the few things that The Council of Nicea and also the Council that followed in Constantinople for the Christians eliminated from a belief that actually was part of Christianity from the very beginning and has been part also of
elements of Judaism that have always also believed in reincarnation.
So we don't only have the belief in reincarnation necessarily in the Eastern religions, but we actually had it and we probably abandoned it.
We were forced to abandon it here in the West.
But their quest for immortality has always been an obsession for the elites since ancient times.
And this obsession has been transmitted from the Gilgamesh tale to the 16th century France, to people like Count Alessandro di Cagliostro, Giuseppe to people like Count Alessandro di Cagliostro, Giuseppe Balsamo, who also went around spreading
his tentacles in various things, but he also claimed he had some legendary elixir of life.
They all claimed that these alchemists for the last five centuries to have some kind of elixir vitae that will extend their life.
But now, what I have showed in this book is actually the evidence, because like you said earlier, I have had a direct involvement with the Illuminati, so I know very well these people, and I actually managed to prove that these people are currently obsessed with becoming immortals through the use of technology, the AI and possibly nanorobotics.
But all this, of course, is explained in my book, through the words also of a guy called Dr. Nicola Slaus, who is a member of the Academy of the Illuminati, In Rome, who is the Grand Master of the Illuminati in Greece, appointed by Giuliano Di Bernardo, and who has written a whole essay on this topic.
The guy is also involved, by the way, in espionage activities.
He actually works for a private intelligence firm, so he's not, aside from being a professor and writing on a variety of subjects.
So we know that these people have this obsession with immortality and also from their work, their recent work, we see that they see transhumanism as being a continuation of alchemy and the art of transforming and transformation, the royal art that was pursued by so many in the past.
So they think that basically they can arrive and reach this immortality in a short time.
And this, of course, might be possible, but only for a limited amount of people, because then the majority of people will be pushed in the meat grinder of wars, pandemics and whatnot.
not.
So it's only the rich top elitists, so to speak, or the cult people involved in these satanic circles that actually have that possibility through power and fame and money and all of that.
But I mean, do you think it is the human body that will Go on and live forever.
Is that even possible?
Or is it the mind, the consciousness that will be linked up to this AI super brain computer or something else?
I mean, I guess these people want to live physically to have the experience of the physical sensations through the five senses, huh?
Yeah, well, both.
I mean, like I said just a moment ago, we have people who, like Ray Kurzweil, claim that with nanotechnology we might insert elements that might cure us from various sicknesses and then extend the life of our own body.
There is other people instead that already claim the existence of mind upload, which is instead A very scary thought, meaning that we are no longer ourselves.
It's a little bit like that movie with Johnny Depp that came out a few years ago, Transcendence, which showed the possibility of extending its life by uploading on something that, of course, is AI generated and that will not be completely yourself, but something monstrous and new.
In any case, we have to actually realistically think that this is already possible because the technology that is circulating makes mind upload no longer the stuff of science fiction, just as this nanotechnology that might be inserted in our body.
But however, when it comes to inserting something in our body, they will claim that it will be for our own health.
In a few years from now, the system and people like you will know, Rari from the Davos circuit have made this very clear.
They will tell us, okay, we give you, you have to insert this in your body, but they will monitor you 24 hours a day and you will live an extended life thanks to this.
But what does that mean?
It means they haven't maybe convinced us to microchip, you know, voluntarily.
We will not maybe microchip ourselves to go and pay at the supermarket.
But once they offer us an extended 30, 50, 100 years of life, maybe more, Who is going to say no to that offering?
It's really a diabolical offer that is like, you know, they're offering something that every human will probably say yes in the end, and that is very dangerous.
And also if that can prevent you from having, well, illnesses and diseases in your body.
Yeah, but at the same time, you know, they will have control over your body.
So you will be somebody that can't eat meat, can't eat this, can't eat that, because they will have 24-7 control of your body.
They will be able to monitor you and say where you are, where you're not, what you're doing.
And I think personally, if I have to give up my privacy to extend my life, I don't know if that's really something I want.
Do you think that Aldous Huxley and George Orwell knew about these things?
Were they in the know when they wrote Brave New World and 1984?
Because this is our lives now.
It's playing out in front of our eyes.
But definitely, they were from a circle of people who was operating within the intelligence realm, also have connections with the occult.
I mean, I was actually, was initiated, like I explained in Volume 8 of my Confessions, by Alistair Crowley, to the use of certain drugs and stuff.
And of course, the occult was present, but also the the fact that these people knew what was materializing, and George Orwell, of course, was writing all that also because of what was happening at the time in the Soviet Union, which was an incredibly controlled society.
I think that it's very important to understand that the Soviet Union might be still in existence if they had the technology that we have today.
And it was actually because at one point, you know, we were pointing satellites with MTV and with promises of a great life here in the West.
The whole Russian society and the whole society in Eastern Europe then fold.
And the results, of course, we are still, the consequences are still present with us today.
So we are fronting a change that is epochal in our society.
But of course, for the leaders, for the elite, they
I think they can get rid of us because now they can substitute us also with robotics aside from the AI that can of course think and can generate of course in the future other problems because the AI is only at the beginning of its process and we already know that it's generating a bunch of new problems that they are already discussing at the governmental level but this is only the beginning.
So, soon we will have problems with the AI actually starting to think and be sentient, and actually probably diverge even from the woke culture that they're trying to program in it.
Because, you see, like I explain in my book, chat GPT, or AI in general, it's nowadays programmed, of course, by the people with a leftist, leftist mentality.
But, for example, only yesterday I was watching on the news they were complaining because MSN generated by AI news is starting to become actually a problem for them because when the AI starts to tell you the truth for them, it's a little bit of a problem.
We know that this society has been living a lot of compromises, so if the AI is blatantly telling you this is like this, And then they have actually these days, Microsoft, for example, has generated most of his news since the last two years from the AI.
And if the AI starts thinking outside of your ideological box, it might create problems even for the people who are actually laying on it.
But don't you think they are programming the AI superbrain and then telling it what to report and what the official narrative is going to be?
Absolutely.
In fact, for example, if you go to an AI chatbot, if you are subscribing to chatbot GPT in Italy and you ask Leo Zagami, who is Leo Zagami and what does Leo Zagami do?
It gives you a completely different answer from what chat GPT gives you here in America.
In Italy, I was accused of things that are absurd.
I mean, they said that the Wiesenthal Center has accused me of anti-Semitism.
I contacted myself the Wiesenthal Center and they said that never happened.
So there are lies programmed by enemies in Italy.
And of course, it's a completely different image of Leo Zagami than the one that you have instead, so that gives you an idea.
But having said that, like I said yesterday, I was noticing how the left is starting to be worried about AI-generated news, because AI-generated news, if it starts to think outside of their ideological mindset, it might become a problem.
Do you think that that can actually happen?
Do you think that could occur?
I think that in the next few years, you see all the jobs that we now have in the, for example, the civil servants, the lawmakers of each country will be quickly substituted by the AI.
So gradually we will have a society that is more and more dependent on AI generated services.
The way though that the AI reasons is very different from a human at times because it doesn't accept compromises and it goes for simply for the result that you know it is either is black or is white.
The gray areas are not really welcome in the mindset of the of the AI and the AI itself Of course, it will eventually become a danger for humanity when it's not only the AI that we see today operating from ordinary computers, but, like I explained in this book, becomes the AI of quantum computers.
will lead us to a very dangerous moment in which you have all our computers that, of course, me and you are working today, and we are transmitting from two different locations using all this.
But this technology is a technology that I don't think maybe a third world citizen can afford to have all our computers set up.
But in the end, you know, they can't afford to have a phone and maybe do the same thing we are doing today.
When it comes to quantum computers, there will be the creation of a digital divide, of a new feudalism.
The guy who owns a quantum computer will be able to break into your computer or your passwords, everything.
Your cryptocurrency will have no relevance for quantum computers.
People who have quantum computers can break into a few seconds into your blockchain, can actually, and this is basically something that changes completely.
So you have the quantum computer, first of all, costs millions of dollars as a cooling system.
like I explained in my book, a very complex one.
And that means that the people who can afford it are, you know, the billionaires, the Elon Musk of the situation, the Bill Gates.
These people will be able, through their quantum computers, to create that digital divide, that ideal castle in which they are the controllers.
You know, we are here with our little thousand-dollar computers here trying to, you know, and they instead can go inside their computers, anticipate their moves, control us, and that is really scary if you think about it.
Extremely scary and very dangerous and horrible and we also want to you know find out and discuss how people can get out of it but what and and and not not be part of that whole thing if if that's even a possibility but if we do live forever because the soul is immortal Do we really need to worry, except for what is going on during our physical lifetime and lifespan?
Or do you think they can find a way for this AI superbrain computer to snatch the souls at the point of death, like the reincarnation soul trap, the karma wheel recycling soul trap?
There's been a lot of talk, I remember, 10, 15, 20 years ago about this kind of technology that was being developed and that some people said might become a soul grabber.
But the actual thing is that we are giving up our souls.
The moment in which we decide to insert a computer brain interface, a microchip, something external in our body, That is the moment of no return.
It's the moment in which we are no longer free because we are welcoming to the digital prison AI is building around us.
And it's no longer a digital prison that we can avoid.
The smart world is increasingly relevant.
And like I said in Volume 9, it might become a gold cage for some people, of course, but not for their souls, which will be taken over immediately and ruled by Satan's legion if you join this AI trap.
So this is my answer for you today on that topic.
But what if they actually do find a way to insert a microchip and that kind of nanotechnology through smart dust or chemtrails or the food we eat and the whole processed water food and all of that, all of what we're going through and obviously through medicine?
Well, that is, of course, a very good question that you have brought forward.
I mean, they define us as the useless class, so they might even put it in our salad and they probably don't care about it.
And they wouldn't care about it.
But having said that, I think that at the moment, at least, that's not possible because it always pertains our own will to accept things.
The moment in which you are interfering with our own will and you're starting to bring external forces inside us, maybe with little robots that might insert something inside us, just like a mosquito maybe with little robots that might insert something inside us, just like This is possible, of course.
This is very much possible.
Then it would not be through our own volition.
Done to us, on purpose, without us wanting to and knowing about it.
Of course, it's a huge crime, but it could actually happen.
Having said that, Lugas, I think that going back to the book of Revelation, the mark of the beast is a choice.
And so I still believe that we will have the possibility of choosing where we have to go in the future.
I still believe it.
It's possible I'm wrong.
But I believe that we will have this choice.
Once we compromise, that choice is no longer available.
Just like it happened in the past, we need to decide where we want to stand.
But this is actually the most important decision, because here you are dealing with Ariman, the evil lord of darkness and chaos, the source of human confusion, disappointment, and strife.
This AI which is already manifesting certain elements and robotics also is showing us how this world government might impose itself on us, you know, because when you have some kind of robot knocking at your door, How are we going to avoid it?
And so, at one point, once again, in this book, like I already talked about in Volume 7, we need to think about the possibility of going off the grid.
Going off the grid, meaning going off the realm of smart cities, smart world, and civilization as we know it.
and create our own reality.
There will be definitely people who will say no to these diabolical algorithms and because you have to understand this book in particular
I already started to discuss this topic in Volume 7 briefly, but in this book in particular, I explain how all this might simply be the fruit of reverse engineering from UFOs and be a Trojan horse that is being planted in our system so eventually they can cage us with their digital prison.
But that is something that is being built around us since there was, and I explained this book, of course, Roswell, but maybe even before Roswell, there was Magenta, which was a place in Italy where Mussolini is said to have found a UFO.
And this evidence comes with, of course, documents which I show in my book from Roberto Pinotti, which I used to work with in Italy, who is the co-founder of the Kuhn, the Italian Ufologic National Center.
So I have tried in this book to explain for the first time what does it mean.
We had all these revelations in June starting, but also earlier this year This has been an incredible year for the exposure and people, you know, tend to minimize it because then, of course, the character of David Groucho, the main whistleblower, was attacked and, of course, they like to always
throw a lot of chaos around the subject, so then nobody's, you know, interested anymore, or simply, okay, fine, there is aliens, whatever, there is UFO, whatever.
No, but what he said regarding reverse engineering, multidimensionality, I think this is very important and is relevant with what has also been all my work in the past few years.
So there is a film that came out in Germany in the early, I think it was 1920, it was called Algol.
I don't know if you ever heard about it.
This film from 1920 is a movie that, like many other movies from that time, because this movie was called "Algol, the Tragedy of Power".
"Algol, the Tragedy of Ziedermacht".
And it's basically a very early German science fiction, in a period though, in which Germany started to bring out some very prophetic movies, We have Faust, we have Metropolis, we have Nosferatu, and in that moment, I think, because of also there was some
Punishment at an international level that forced Germany into producing their own films because they couldn't import films from abroad.
They actually delivered a lot of almost prophetical movies.
Because when you see Metropolis, it's definitely prophetical.
In fact, I've used it on the cover of 6.66, Confessions Volume 6.66.
I used that image.
And Algol is basically an alien that in a way, you know, it's giving humans a machine, something that will change the world, that will allow the humans to rule this world.
And it seems really strange that after these UFO crashes, we suddenly have this
Very big technological advances that were unimaginable before, and that the result, though, is not necessarily always positive for mankind, but is rather bringing us towards being identified, living in a cashless society.
Yes, but controlled by who?
Because once you don't have the cash in your hand, who is controlling this cash?
But it was also at the same time that they took all of Nikola Tesla's scientific discoveries and all of his work in 1943, the Roswell crash was in 1947, but it was around that same time when Tesla died.
And they kept it secret and hidden all of his work and all of, you know, his discoveries about free energy and time travel and teleportation and all of these amazing things.
So it could just be something that is in the ether that would destroy the whole Wall Street and, well, the whole economic system, you know, with oil and electricity and coal and what have you.
Because if we just have free energy and we can tap into the ether, which is what Tesla basically said, and everybody has been shut down, has tried to do similar experiments since then, then that could be something that is just on this on this earthly plane and not something that they retrieved from a UFO crash, for example.
And that leads me to also ask you here, all of this UFO disclosure that we've seen also this year in 2023, don't you think this has been planned by the government for a long time?
Because there's a lot of shrouded stuff going on and a lot of, you know, it's really very confusing.
And it seems like that whole UFO field has been hijacked in quite a large way.
So you don't really know what the truth is and where you find truth or lies, huh?
What do you think about that?
I basically wrote about it in Volume 9, about this timeline of disclosure that went on from the beginning of the year, even before David Grouch came into, you know, into the equation.
I mean, we know, of course, David Grouch has been, you know, the decorated combat officer, intelligence operative, and everything that made This whole subject very much discussed from June onwards, but there was actually before that other admissions that were quite incredible, made by other people.
So I wanted to explain what happened also in the months prior to what were the allegations given by David Charles Groucho.
And I think that this gives us really a timeline of how they are trying to unfold certain secrets, unveil certain secrets.
And it's quite incredible that, I repeat, they can get away with it without people being more astonished about everything that surrounds us.
In my view of things, of course, all the disclosure is controlled.
There is no disclosure that is not controlled.
But there's nothing really on this plane of existence that is not controlled, especially when you're dealing with an information realm which is completely controlled.
So, the moment in which you suddenly have all this discussion about UFOs, you start wondering why, first of all, you know?
And it's not because we are conspiracy Nazis, simply because there is always a reason why these PSYOPs are launched in the first place, these psychological operations.
So, there is a truth, of course.
The truth, I think, personally, about reverse engineering, I already talked about in Volume 7.
I explained how it's connected to artificial intelligence from the 1950s and the development of it.
When these things came out this year, I simply had confirmations about what I was... it didn't change my perspective.
It simply confirmed that what I was writing, what I was lining up also for this book that came out, was completely correct.
In fact, This book came out, of course, fortunately, after all these revelations were kind of like pushed to the next level.
But also, we also saw that at one point, David Groucho was almost silenced as a figure because they started to move against him.
Demonstrates that he was saying something interesting because otherwise they will not go to the extent of starting a campaign to kill your own, you know, the seriousness of his allegations was put in doubt because they said it's basically a nutcase.
That is not the case because there is also testimony from many other people.
And in my book, I explain how People focus on David Grush, but in reality, in June, there was another guy who was actually giving us some great information on a scientific level and an academic level with a prestigious publication called Scientific American.
Martin Rees and a guy called Mario Livio published basically a paper saying most aliens may be artificial intelligence, not life as we know it.
And the paper discusses this topic on a very serious, in a very serious academic way.
And that really gives us the answer to this whole Fermi paradox.
Where are the aliens?
Are they hiding somewhere?
Of course they can be hiding in another dimension, and that is also another interesting and important confirmation, because I've discussed it from my book, Invisible Master, this whole topic, also in relation to the Pentagon.
But the fact that now even David Groucho comes out and says, UFOs are interdimensional, multidimensional.
A lot of people, though, tend to then separate an alien who is interdimensional or multidimensional from an alien who comes from another part of their galaxy.
And that is something that I don't understand because one thing doesn't actually The easiest way of moving through this galaxy would be in theory through these interdimensional doors that we might then be able to fold time and space and move from one part of the universe to the other.
So I am not like one of those people say, oh, well, they're not aliens.
They are interdimensional creatures.
It doesn't make sense.
If you are here from another part of the universe, then you are necessarily acquainted with other dimensions.
Multidimensional.
But maybe they could actually teleport through the power of thought or other very fast, well, let's say, technology that they have, or just that they're very developed.
And it could be from another star system, but it could also be on Earth.
It could be parallel dimensions of Earth going in and out of this dimension.
And that leads me to also ask you about a very significant thing that is dividing the truth movement right now, the theory of flat Earth.
And people think we live on a flat earth under a dome and aliens exist on this planet.
What are your thoughts on this?
I don't think we ever discussed that.
Well, I only know one thing, that the Vatican was basically arresting and killing people who said the Earth was not flat until 500 years ago.
So I'm not somebody who would suddenly like to support the theories that go back to the worst periods of the Inquisition, in which people were arrested for saying that the Earth was not flat.
Now, I never believed the Earth was flat.
It might not be completely round in a perfect way like they depicted, but however, I'm not somebody who is an expert in astronomy or who is an expert in physics.
I come from my own experience within the realms of secret societies and the reality of a flat earth was never ever brought up in all my years in the various secret societies I was involved with.
So, If the Earth was flat, and if this was a big secret, I would probably know about it by now, because of all the people I've hanged out with, who had also experiences at various levels with alien bodies, even.
Marquis Calderola, who is no longer with us, but I interviewed with Princess Nakamaru many years ago, confirmed the existence of aliens in Area 51.
Marquis Roberto Caldirola was a high-level member of the P2 and he was even awarded by the Bush administration and stuff so it seems strange.
But I don't think we have had some flat-earth researchers and lecturers on this show and they don't say that aliens don't exist or these ET beings or other worldly beings as we see them but that they exist here but on this plane or Underneath the ground and caverns and places like that.
Shapeshifters, obviously.
Yes, yes, yes.
No, but it doesn't really change.
What changes is eventually instead the fact that you have the theory of the Terra Cava.
Terra Cava means entities that are actually living under us, in a different It's, of course, a theory that, you know, it was very much, it was very popular even with the Nazis and stuff.
There is people who claim an entrance into the underworld from various, but it is definitely a very old theory.
To some extent, even Plato with his Myth of the Cavern took upon this.
And we have, of course, other people that talk about it, like Edmund Halley in his Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London in 1692.
The possibility that we have A world within a world, that is a theory that, I mean, to me personally, it attracts me more than the flat earth theory, because I know that entities, the hollow earth basically theory, to talk to you about it in English, we refer to the hollow earth.
I think it's much more credible, because entities that also live in other dimensions are said to be living in this hollow Earth.
It's a concept that the planet Earth is entirely hollow, or at least partly hollow.
And, like I said, it was suggested by Edmund Halley in the late 17th century.
It was suggested also by other scientists.
It is, in a way, you know, also we have the underground kingdom of Agartha, for example, that features prominently in the work of people like René Guénon and other researchers.
If I had to say, the flat earth is not a theory that interests me because I think the concept of subterranean land inside the earth is much more interesting and much more realistic.
Right.
So in your book, you have a chapter or you have a section called In Search of Gnosis From Alchemy to Transhumanism.
What is that all about?
We've been talking a lot about Gnosticism on this program and Gnosis.
And that is about your inner knowing and your inner standing in a way.
Gnosis.
But what is this chapter all about?
How do you explain it in your book?
Okay, so in this book I explain how Gnosticism has been always a danger.
A danger because Gnosticism, which is, as you know, the search of knowledge, but it's always been pushed for a privileged elite.
The Gnosis concept is not really for everybody.
Gnosticism came around probably even before Jesus was around already within Judaism.
Gnosticism was creating some problems and we know there was a big confrontation also before the destruction of the Second Temple between the Pharisees and the Sadducees.
And the Sadducees were more inclined into Hellenistic studies and probably also into what we refer to as Gnosticism.
The Gnostics were the ones who started to connect with these entities, to evoke these entities.
And at the same time, they claimed that everything that surrounds us in matter is inherently evil.
I'm talking about Gnosticism here as a concept made of a variety.
of beliefs, because it's not really a Unitarian concept.
But having said that, they were then, when Jesus came around, they were immediately after people that tried to take elements of Christianity, mixing them with Gnosticism, people like Simon Magus, for example, and others.
And what happened is that The Fathers of the Church understood the danger of what these Gnostics were trying to do.
They were trying to get in contact with these entities.
They said, basically, the belief of Gnosticism is that we are dominated by these Archons and by an evil God, that basically Yahweh is an evil, controlling God, and that in some way we need to free ourselves.
So I don't have that belief.
I don't believe that we are necessarily surrounded by evil.
I believe, of course, the demons exist.
I don't believe they are as powerful as the Gnostics claim with the Archons.
But the Archons and the Djinn, which is what how the Muslims, what the Muslims call them.
And the demons are the same, I suppose.
And we've been talking a lot about that as well with different researchers.
And we do know, or we do understand, or we do assume that the Gnostic writings found in that tomb in Nag Hammadi in Egypt in 1945 are some of the most original scriptures that was never tampered with, or we do assume that the Gnostic writings found in In Egypt in 1945 are some of the most original scriptures that was never tampered with.
They were not stolen.
They were not taken by the Vatican and put away.
So that has been some of the most truthful scriptures that we have ever found, huh?
Well, Nag Hammadi is the Gnostic scriptures in Coptic, while instead you have the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is a completely different set of writings, which relates more with a more mosaic, Judeo approach, Jewish approach, traditional approach, maybe from a more schismatic Jewish sect rather than a Gnostic sect.
But Gnosticism is not the way, at least for me, and so those writings that you find in are relevant up to a certain extent, because when you have the beginning of the Church, the first two or three centuries, they were characterized, of course, by a lot of confusion on what Christianity really was.
And I repeat, in my book, I have a whole chapter on how Freemasons and Illuminati from Adam Weishaupt onwards, and also later on with Albert Pike, picked up on the Gnostic beliefs and relaunched them within the teachings of Freemasonry, claiming that that was true Christianity.
And that, and I also show how, in my book, how from the 70s and the 80s with Ellen Pages and then later on with Tobias Churton, who also made an important documentary that was featured in the end of the 80s on British TV, That was very successful.
They pushed, again, the idea that the Gnostic scriptures were the lost scriptures of Christianity and that they were something that we should look into if you want to really understand what Christianity was about.
I tend to think that's not the case.
I tend to think, like I said just a moment ago, that they infiltrated Christianity and Put these elements, I mean, when you have, you know, the Christian Gnostic sects,
You have the Offits, for example, which accept the existence of the Seven Archons, and which are reminded also by Origen and other Fathers of the Church that criticize the fact that, you know, you had Yadavot, who was Satan, who was basically the chief ruler in Demiurge, who controlled, and you have Yahweh, which is Jupiter, and then you have Sabaoth.
To me, it seems And that's what I show in my book, that basically we are simply dealing with an extension of paganism when it comes down to Gnosticism.
The Demiurge, also you know, that ruler of the Archons.
Yes.
Yes, yes.
And in the Demiurge, like I said, the fact that you had this Yad Abbaoth, and then you had Sabbaoth, which is his name derived from Sabbath, and the figure of Sophia, which is also very important for the Gnostics, assumes a very important character.
Now, that's why they call it Theosophia.
At one point, you have to understand that Gnosticism was relaunched with informationary Adam Weisha picked up on numerous Gnostic teachings and included them in the teachings of his Order.
When I studied the Dogmas and Rituals of Albert Pike, I found a bunch of references to various Gnostic currents, and some of them were actually even historically inconsistent or wrong, but in any case,
I wanted in this book to cite Adam Bechoff's Gnostic teachings, Albert Pike, and then John Jarke, because these three figures are very important for today's Illuminati.
Adam Bechoff, of course, the founder of the Illuminati, Albert Pike, the great reformer of the Scottish Rite, and ultimately the less known, but also Equally important, Johnny Harker, who was the head of the Ancient and Primitive Rites of Memphis and Mizraim, of the Egyptian Rites, who gave his patent and gave the possibility to the O.T.O.
to develop with his patent.
So, behind the foundation of the O.T.O.
and also, at one point, also sold the 33rd degree patent to Aleister Crowley, I think around 1910.
And I even show it in my book.
So these figures are very important, but I show how Gnosticism then was inspirational for Neo-Gnosticism, because then in 1888, in the headquarters of Theosophy in France, this guy called Gilles Donnel, who was a former seminarian who was starting to become a Jesuit but wasn't accepted, decided to
channel the spirits of the Cathars and the Albigians who were also Gnostics and who were in the medieval time, heresists, which were fought by the Christian Church, the Catholic Church.
And he started to channel these, he said, these bishops and he basically gave birth to a new Gnostic Church by initiating all the various Illuminati in France back then who were connected to the Martinists, these people connected to Papus and Papus himself became all in charge of this Gnostic Church that started to spread and then actually Alistair,
even Alistair Crowley became a bishop of that Gnostic Church even Alistair Crowley became a bishop of that Gnostic Church and himself, in fact, gave a lot of importance to the Ecclesia Gnostica Cattolica, which became the ecclesiastical branch of the Ordo Tempio Rienis, the OTO.
So this means that at one point Gnosticism can be molded to what you want, Yes, but that was also exactly what I was going to say.
Don't you think, like with everything, even the original Illuminati was also supposedly done with good people and thinkers in the beginning, before it was corrupted.
Maybe you know more about that.
But Gnosticism could be used for good and bad, like everything else, like Christianity.
Christianity certainly has.
I believe though that the nefarious intentions of the Gnostics is in actually trying to sabotage and including themselves within early Christianity by merging these attempts that they often did to say we are Christians, when in reality when you go and see their beliefs and you see that there is nothing Christian about it.
So let me just ask you about something completely, well, not completely different, but your thoughts about the Anunnaki overrule.
What do you think of the Anunnaki and their origin here and about Enki and Enlil, for example?
It's very clear that the Gnostics of the past are the Illuminati of today, because in fact all the Illuminati secret societies of today, in one way or another, claim some kind of lineage, Gnostic lineage, Gnostic belief.
And the religion of Telema, which Crowley created, is really a merging of these Gnostic beliefs with Egyptian deities and all the rest.
The same can be said, though, when it comes down to the Anunnaki, and of course we are talking about ancient deities that in one...
I mean, I discussed, of course, this in other books, like, for example, Invisible Master.
But what we have here is basically the fallen angels of the Book of Enoch.
The fallen angels of the Book of Enoch teach humanity black magic.
Teach humanity that sorcery that, and this I explain in Volume 9 of my Confessions, that sorcery that brings us inevitably every time to divine retribution, though.
I mean, you had the destruction of Atlantis, you have probably the destructions of many other civilizations before our own civilization, but that was brought upon man Because they, in some way, plotted with these entities, and inevitably every time they got punished.
So, you know, you can talk, of course, of the Anunnaki, we can talk about the Elohim, we can talk about the giants, but in the end we have to talk inevitably of divine retribution, and that's why in my new book I talk about divine retribution, I talk about how They've always been punished.
And like today, we might be punished once again, because once again, we are building almost that Tower of Babel up in the skies, which is symbolic to wanting to challenge God.
The fact that the European Union building looks like the Tower of Babel is not a coincidence.
It's not a coincidence.
And what goes on in the European Union also, and the evil that spreads from the European Union demonstrates that this is definitely an anti-Christian organization.
You talk in your book and you call it the Faustian bargain.
Yes.
Can you talk about that for a moment?
So, you know, you have a divine retribution, and of course the Faustian bargain of the beginning, the one that is born in Germany with this character called Faust, and that of course was picked up immediately by Marlow, was a very different Faust from the one that eventually Goethe would propose to us.
Because there is a main difference here.
The fact that In the past, the Faust bargain was pretty clear.
I'm selling the soul to the devil.
Eventually, I'm going to have to pay for what I've gained in this life, and I will end up in hell.
That was the whole thing of the Faustinian bargain.
I also explain how the Faustinian bargain seems to be Born out of Germany, and from Germany we have the Rosicrucians, the Illuminati, we have Nazis, we have the two Legations, we have a lot of negative things that come from Germany, and it's the very dark forces that are centered in Germany, okay?
Personally, I think that in this book I've showed how the bargain that, of course, was done in the past was a bargain you couldn't change at the last minute.
But when Goethe, who was himself a member of the Illuminati, This is proven, there is a document that proves it, his own oath taken in the Illuminati as well as being a Freemason.
So he wasn't just an Illuminati, a normal Freemason, he was just also a member of the Order of Adam and Eve.
And he changes things because he becomes a bet with the devil.
It's a challenge that the devil takes in Faust, in the guillotine of Faust.
That eventually you can work around and you can, at the last minute, be forgiven for your wrong choice.
You understand what I mean?
I mean, I don't know if you understand, because you have to study the Faust of Marlowe compared to Goethe's Faust to understand these nuances and these differences.
But I think that it's pretty clear that Goethe's Faust is a Faust that can get away with it.
Why, earlier on, the real Faust of the legend, but then it becomes the Faust of the first script, which was Marlowe's, is a very different Faust.
I don't know if you agree with my point of view.
I don't really know, but I know of course of Johan Wolfgang von Goethe's Faust that I think a lot of us have read and I think people should read that one.
But if they could actually compare it and do some research about it, it would be good.
They should compare it with the tragical history of the life and death of Dr. Faustus, which is a play.
It's an Elizabethan tragedy by Christopher Marlowe, which was a very particular figure of his era, and somebody who, I mean, was very famous for his Elizabethan playwrights.
But if you go and study And I mean, he was actually involved in all kinds of things in his time, espionage at the highest level, the Privy Council of Elizabeth I, and all these things.
But compare it to Goethe, and you see that Goethe is trying to put This insinuates, for the first time, the possibility that you can get away with a Faustinian bargain with the devil, and that eventually this will lead, of course, to the Illuminati.
The Order of the Illuminati by Adam Bishop was the starting point for that other ideology that was starting to spread, which is communism.
I describe it in my past book as the Buwan lab of communism.
of communism because from there you have all the various forms of communism that start to manifest worldwide and the League of the Just with Karl Marx and his manifesto were actually also the guy who founded the League was somebody who was an Illuminati who was connected to Adam Weishaupt who was a believer in what Adam Weishaupt was trying to do and many others after him tried
to spread this virus which is communism which we call communism but we could call also atheism and we can call also satanism because once you embrace communism you in this purest form you don't believe any longer in God.
You believe in man as God.
Don't you think that when we talk about this Faustian Bark and you talk about the way that you interpret that Goethe wrote it, don't you think this is what... It's actually not my interpretation, it's what people say.
I mean, Goethe brings a new twist to the thing.
It's the bet with the devil.
Right, the bet with the devil.
Don't you think that is what the top bankers The top politicians, the top celebrities are doing and thinking that they can get away with it.
That it'll be all free and they'll get all the fame and the money and the success without having to, well, pay for being part of something that dark.
Selling your soul to the devil.
You said it yourself perfectly.
That is what actually I depict in this book.
First of all, the Faustinian bargain that people like, for example, Klaus Schwab have done.
And Klaus Schwab is, by the way, German.
Now, I'm not saying that it seems really a coincidence, but this goes always back to Germany, you know?
And you live in Scandinavia, you know the influence in the Nordic countries that Germany has had always culturally.
And also from the ancient times, also with the religions and stuff.
So I think that there is no bad possible you can do with the devil.
You will always come out as a losing party.
But these people have started to insinuate the possibility, and from that moment it grew and grew and grew, and that's why we went from the Order of the Illuminati of Adam Bateship, like I explained in Volume 7, to the Order of Davos and the World Economic Forum today, in which you have, of course, people that are completely convinced that their Faustinian bargain is
The bargain to follow because they are completely, you know, promoting the AI as the ultimate solution of all their problems, but they always say, AI controlled by us.
You know, yeah, the AI, no, but it's dangerous.
It has to be controlled by us.
You know, it's like we have this weapon, but we have to control it.
So they are basically telling us that we are in their hands and we have to let them do their thing, which is something that I think everybody today in today's society should have a say about our future and the future of the AI.
I think the discussion should be as broad as possible, as democratic as possible, and it should be made on every single platform possible, politically, religious and every, but everybody, all humans should be involved.
It shouldn't be only This elite that meets in places like Davos every year to discuss our future.
That is obviously satanic and it's obviously anti-human.
So they think they are the new Gnostics.
And I repeat, Gnostics, you can regard the positive aspect of Gnosticism, but the main aspect of Gnosticism, which I, when I was, for example, in the Illuminati, I used to be a member of the Norwegian Gnostic Church of this, of Jan Sater, who was a very great painter and stuff.
Like I say in my book, he was always trying to convince me about embracing gnosticism, but I could never really embrace it, because there was always something that wouldn't convince me, so I was always questioning him on this and this other.
And he's no longer with us, he's on Saturday, but I think that he would have appreciated the way that I outlined my criticism in a coherent manner.
It's always very rewarding and very interesting to hear different perspectives and points of views, and this is what we do on this show, to present all kinds of, well, alternative views on the world and about the world.
But just in our remaining moments here, Leo, because we could certainly go on, and we will in the next show, we'll have you on again and talk more about your amazing work, just end on this.
You talk about that we are being ruled by the number seven.
But that's the heavenly number.
So isn't that just wonderful?
Well, yeah, I mean, you see, we have different views of the number seven, because, for example, you have the Gnostic view, you know, I mean, in the Christian, you know, in the old pagan concept, you have the seven planets.
Then with the Gnostics, you have the seven archons.
With the Christians, you have, of course, archangels and angels that rule us.
I mean, The Allegory of Jacob's Ladder, which I have referenced in this book, depicts seven steps that indicate the seven spheres of the planets.
And for mainly pure reflections of ancient philosophy, you know that Manly Pior was always a wealth of knowledge in his writings and also in the secret teachings of all ages, he explains things very well.
It's basically a symbol that we have, these seven steps that actually you, it's great that you picked it up as the last question because The title of the book is The Seven Steps, and it's based on the whole thing, you know?
It's basically The Seven Steps to the Secrets of this New World Disorder.
So you can go either up, or you can descend down, so you can either go towards the heavens, or you can maybe go down towards the ladder of life, you can end up in hell, no?
Now, Manly Pior explains that there is in fact an inferior sphere.
And then you have through the seven planetary spheres.
And finally, you are, of course, the seven steps on Jacob's ladder are replaced by the actual planetary spheres and the zodiac.
So there is this link with the planetary sphere in the number seven, which is obvious, no?
The Illuminati and the top elitists, they always use numerology and gematria.
So you can always find the truth in the numbers.
But there is also another thing.
Sette, sette in Italian means seven.
But sette in Italian means also sect.
Or you can have the god Set, which also was Satan.
So, the number 7 was considered sacred not only by Ocachian nations of Antiquity and the East, but was held in the greatest reverence by the nations of the West.
So, aside from the astronomical origin, Madame Blavatsky also wrote some very interesting things about the number 7.
She said that the Egyptians had seven original and higher gods, the Phoenicians seven Khyberis, the Persians seven sacred horses of Mithra.
So the Pharisees had seven angels opposed by seven demons.
And like I said a moment ago, you have the seven archons.
So really, that's why I wrote that we are in front of a situation where the number seven with the seven gods, it's so relevant for For the Illuminati and for our... But in the Bible, Leo, God created the world in seven days and then he rested.
But then you have the Menorah, the Menorah that is supposed to also be placed in the Third Temple once it's rebuilt.
The Menorah with seven, of course, you know, July is seven, and that seven-branched candelabrum Which is the official symbols of the State of Israel.
And I explain in my book how Michael, for example, it's in the seven, the pauper day, Saturn, Gabriel, the Archangel Gabriel is 42 days, Jupiter, Uriel is Mars, Zerachiel is the Sun, Camuel is Venus, Raphael is Mercury, and Zophiel is the Moon.
Every time we are in a Masonic lodge, you see the menorah lit with the seven candles, at least in certain Masonic lodges.
So, and they light it one by one to describe that you are opening the words, that you are acceding to these energies, that this was known as the Hebdomad.
That's what the Gnostics used to call it.
So I hope that today's show has clarified the importance also of the number seven, as well as the importance of going through these seven steps in my book to have a more clear idea of where we are and where we want to go.
And you usually write 700 pages, don't you, in your books?
More or less, yeah.
I hope for the next one I can maybe do a smaller one, if I can stop.
So I guess the number seven is open for discussion.
But Leo, it's been absolutely wonderful, and as always, So great and fascinating to talk to you, and we certainly will continue soon again.
And this is to promote your new book, Confessions of an Illuminati, Volume 9.
And how can people purchase the book?
Okay, first of all, they can go on LeoZagami.com and they will always find the links to all my latest books.
Otherwise, they can go on Amazon and just put Leo Zagami Volume 9 and they can find it there.
However, yes, there is more to say about this book.
I hope we will have the opportunity because we will have to discuss the mountain of lies surrounding the wars and everything that goes with it, as well as the involvement that these secret societies
are having in all these never-ending wars that are built, like Orwell was saying, just to keep us from realizing who we are and our potential, which is a great potential that could be developed if these evil people stop treating us in this way and stop with their crazy idea of wanting to eliminate part of humanity, because now they have robots, they don't need us anymore.
I would certainly I would love for us to meet up very soon again and to to discuss current topics as well as you know the war in Israel and of course the Ukrainian war you have also a whole chapter about Satan and the Ukraine and lots of things and also what is going to happen while they're trying to implement
And those lies are emerging now and I think that Zelensky doesn't have that much time left before they will probably move on to the next war and to the next project.
But it's all part of this great reset that unfortunately we are living in.
So thank you so much for your always interesting questions and your always interesting Age of Truth broadcast.
Thank you so much, Leo, and it's been wonderful to see you, and I want you back very soon, so have a wonderful day in California, and thank you, and see you soon, okay?
Okay, and enjoy your setup and your relaxation time.
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