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Sept. 17, 2023 - The Leo Zagami Show
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The New World Order INVASION COMING SOON TO A CITY NEAR YOU
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Well, hello everybody.
Welcome to Aquarius Rising Africa and we have with us Leo Zagami again.
Very happy to welcome you back, Leo.
How are you?
First of all, I'm very well, but I want to apologize for the last time, because as you know, here in Palm Springs, we had a hurricane, so communication wasn't easy on our side.
So I guess we missed one of our shows that we had arranged.
But I think we will recover today, as I know you have a lot of questions already from different viewers, especially on my latest book, Volume 9 of my confessions, which is actually Going very well.
It's a very successful book also because, like I said in the previous episode, we talked about the fact that this book can be read on its own without really reading the others.
So a lot of people are receiving this message and they're purchasing this book, which is built in this seven steps kind of imaginary ladder that today we will continue to take.
I look forward to that.
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But Leo, before we get on to our talk and just continuing with your book, I want to maybe just cover the questions.
And these actually come from Lira, who has been a guest on the show quite a few times in the past.
So the one is, why does Russia honor Anderson Constitution?
Why does Russia accept the Anderson Constitution?
Now, the important thing that people need to understand is that Freemasons, wherever they are located in the world, have this as one of their landmarks.
So, basically, you can't really go out of the Anderson Constitution.
For a Freemason, worldwide, they always have the same rules.
So that's, of course, a constitution intended not as the constitution of a state, because Then Freemasons have to obey to the laws of their state, to the constitution of their state, so no matter what.
But usually, if you follow correctly the Anderson Constitutions, there is no way you can disrespect your own constitution, because they don't demand anything illegal against your own state.
If that happens, it's because, of course, there is irregular forms of Freemasonry that don't really respect the Anderson Constitution.
The Anderson Constitution was created, actually is a constitution, not a constitution.
It was created in 1723 after Freemasonry came together and formalized the union of various lodges under a Grand Lodge.
It was the first time that Freemasonry came together as a Grand Lodge, so they had to They were a ruling body of Freemasonry at that point.
In 1717, they met in a pub.
The Goose and the Grid on several lodges created this first Grand Lodge.
But then immediately after, there was a schism between two forms of Freemasonry in England that will come back together only in 1813.
Two forms of Freemasonry that fought against each other, and one ended up prevailing on the other regarding their political interest, which was in putting back to the throne a Catholic monarch.
The other one was, of course, supporting what we know today as the Windsors.
of course, supporting what we know today as the wind source.
So they, but in reality, they were called the ancient and the moderns, and they were also promoting different styles of Freemasonry.
So they, but in reality, they were called the ancient and the models, and they were also promoting different styles of remastery.
One was a bit more continental in their approach, and they had several degrees and more than what the ancient has.
And the ancients were actually, despite of what this wording, that might be confusing, they were actually the more modern ones.
So in the end, in 1813, though, the Royal House of England with the Duke of Sussex ended up unifying these two competing forms of remastery.
And from that moment onwards, they also elaborated a way so they could also welcome into their lodges not only Christians, but people of all faiths.
Now that was actually a bit dangerous but it was very important for the It was important for one reason, because they were starting to have a big empire with people from several faiths and they wanted to still initiate them to Freemasonry, even despite of their religious belief.
You see, Freemasonry was actually born initially in a Christian environment.
And so it was actually considered a Christian fraternity.
It was only later.
In fact, Dr. James Anderson, who created, it was actually Reverend James Anderson.
He was somebody who was doing it because their aim was to bring together all those various forms of Christianity that had fought against each other in England.
England had a lot of inner fights between Christians, Protestants against Catholics, but also Protestants of various factions.
Some of them ended up with the Mayflower here in America.
So this was a very tense moment in English history and for helping the people to come back together, they created this organization.
But of course, it was limited initially only to Christians.
However, it was later infiltrated by Gnostics.
And this is something I discuss very profusely, as you know, in my new book, in Volume 9.
Freemasonry was infiltrated in the 18th century by these Neo-Gnostics, so to say, or Gnostics because they never really left.
Who are the Gnostics?
The Gnostics were heretics from the times of Jesus who practiced occultism, magic, who didn't really believe in Jesus as a man.
son of God who brings the word of God and frees men from the original sin.
That wasn't the case for the Gnostics.
They had a completely different vision of Jesus.
And they were also, we can say, the forefathers of the modern Illuminati, because the modern Illuminati, starting from Adam Beishaupt, started to promote again Gnosticism.
And the Gnostics also kind of kept alive the Gnostics, their ideas within secret societies, secret societies that started to emerge in Europe around the 14th century, secret societies that we will call Illuminati.
The first ones, in fact, were called Alumbrados in Spain.
And then later on, there were various organizations that considered them light.
Can I just chime in here for a moment?
Because one thing that always intrigues me...
Sorry, can you hear me?
Yeah, for a moment you interrupted, I guess the connection interrupted for a second, so if you can repeat the question.
Okay, sorry about that, oh gosh.
No worries, we know that in South Africa you have a lot of problems with electricity and stuff, so no worries.
Still trying to get sorted with all my internet stuff here, so it's probably from my side.
But what I'm interested to know, that I'm always fascinated by, is why have they started so many different secret societies?
Because at the end of the day, they really all believe in the same thing.
It's just one big brotherhood that has kind of got many different octopus tentacles and legs, the way I see it.
So what would be the purpose of that?
I mean, was it a deliberate thing that they would split off and really create, I would say, confusion in that way?
Yes, I guess that up until 1780... Was it really people Yes, up until 1782, when there was this big reunion of Freemasons from all over Europe in Wilhelmsbad in Germany, let's say that the Illuminati surfaced in various mystery schools, and like I said, connected to the old Gnostic ideas.
But when it comes to the order of the Illuminati, it was his intention once he started to be persecuted in the 1780s, which was a persecution that was instigated by the royal houses all over Europe.
So they were going after this order of the Illuminati.
At that point, Bishop simply said that it's very easy for us.
We simply reemerge with a variety of names, confuse the enemy, and, of course, also start getting involved in a number of topics.
For example, in Italy, they will help the emergence of the Carbonari, that will help the unification of Italy, but it was vehemently anti-Christian.
There were other groups.
Bonarotti created the sublime Perfect Masters, which was also another important secret society, and he was a member originally of the Illuminati.
And many others did the same thing.
They also created in Germany a group.
Actually, originally, the group was created in Prague, but then it kind of spread also all over Germany.
These groups that started to emerge had a variety of names.
They exist still of them today.
They also inspired other groups on this side of the world, here in California, the Bohemian Club, for example, with the owl.
But there is also university fraternities, because also one aim of Adam Bishop was to infiltrate the universities.
And that's why he encouraged also the birth of what will become the Skull and Bones and also the Owl Society, which is in another important American university.
The fact that they have a variety of names after they started to be persecuted was, of course, to confound, to mislead the enemy, to try to confuse the common folk who would say, what is this?
It's impossible.
So the Illuminati, though, have a system, a system to put together all these secret societies.
And all these secret societies were put together with a book.
that was codified, called The Great Book of Nature, by the Philalates, which was one of the secret societies.
And they gave the keys to all the various secret societies that they kind of, in some way, controlled.
But this book, of course, was never really spread outside of Freemasonry.
Only in 1921, in Italy, Vincenzo Soro, known as Rosicrucian, decided to republish this book with a very in-depth
Commentary on all these secret societies, which ended up basically as a presentation of the whole Western initiatic system and how it operated, starting from that invisible nucleus, which is considered the most important, the one that leads directly to the entities that are not from this world, that can be angelic or demonic.
Then you have an outreach of this entity usually within the so-called Rosicrucians.
The Rosicrucians were positions in all the various Masonic rites, as well as having their own secret society.
So it's a very complex matter, of course, but what I can say is also that in the 1780s, at the same time, there was a group, a secret society, the Asian brethren, which was founded by the cousin of Jacob Frank,
Jacob Frank was the guy who himself considered himself to be the reincarnation of Shabbatai Zevi, and these people are actually involved in a very important religious movement within Judaism, a rhetorical movement, still known to this day as the Sabbatean Frankies.
this Seeker Society was created by a guy who was Jewish, but followed the advice of Jacob Frank, that is the same advice of Sabaté Seyéry, to become a crypto Jew, change your name.
He got nobilitated, he called himself Onshovel, you know, with a German name.
And of course, he got also the support of some very powerful people within the German-Prussian aristocracy.
So, this Seeker Society was known as the Fraterluchis.
They are another, let's say, important element of the Illuminatis.
So there is, it's really complex to define the Illuminati.
And that's why, as you know, I am at volume number nine and I'm not even finished yet.
So you can understand the topic and every book is around 4500 pages.
We'll afford everything.
Absolutely.
I want to just ask you, sorry if I could just chime in here again.
Yes.
Was the intention of these secret societies always to connect with otherworldly intelligence?
Um, and I'm asking you that because when I look at South Africa and one of the we call it the Buddha, Buddha Mafia, the Afrikaans Mafia, the Bruderbund, the Brotherhood, right?
Um, originally that started as really as a society.
Well, this is what this is what they're telling us, right?
That that upheld the purity of the Afrikaans language in South Africa.
Because, you know, the Afrikaans language is obviously from Dutch, really main Dutch descent.
But when, with all the English and the German and everything, it became known as the kitchen language.
So they wanted to uphold the purity of the language, the Afrikaans language.
And the Bruderbrand, or the Brotherhood, was started by a teacher, yeah, OK, let me tell you, first of all, we have to understand the phenomenon of secret societies, a very complex phenomenon.
And it's a very ancient phenomenon.
And each society was born usually to protect a mystery school, a mystery school that at the time couldn't be exposed or also to protect their own religious ideas.
It was only later on with Adam Bateshop that the whole concept of secret societies became politicized.
And from that moment onwards, secret societies that had a political mission were born.
That's why the Illuminati became so powerful, the Illuminati of Adam Bateshop, because the Illuminati already existed under other forms.
But they became so powerful and so influential once they created specific secret societies to deal with the political realm.
Otherwise, the secret societies can be divided into secret societies that have, of course, various kinds of missions.
And the mission can be protecting a language, protecting a symbol, protecting a cult, protecting anything.
But also it can be built within a system of initiations that makes the candidate aware of their ultimate mission only when you get to the upper levels.
Now, for example, in the case of Adam Bayshap Illuminati, the people who are at the lower levels never really knew what Adam Bayshap wanted to do, because at the lower levels they will tell you, We respect the laws of the state, just like the Freemasons.
But then once you went to the upper levels, they were basically saying we have to destroy all the monarchies, destroy all the religions.
And so it was, of course, a very compartmentalized system.
I hope that this is a clear answer for you.
When it comes to South Africa, you remember, you have Cecil John Rhodes.
Cecil John Rhodes was the guy who picked up the concept, as I explained in Volume 8, picks up the concept of a secret society like the Illuminati and expands it, creating the concept of the think tanks.
Because of Cecil John Rhodes, we now have the concept of think tanks.
What does it mean?
It means that no longer you have people wearing silly aprons and regalia and rituals of any kind.
He understood what the aim of the Illuminati was and he wanted to make it very simple.
OK, we're great.
Basically, think tanks in which people, businessmen, influential people meet together in a very exclusive way, an Italian way, and decide maybe on geopolitical matters or other kinds of matters.
But the think tanks are also much more open.
At times we know the names of the members.
And it's a concept that was, like I said, born out of South Africa, because, of course, Cecil Rhodes is a very, very important figure in the development of everything that the Rothschilds and company worked out.
We know, for example, also the involvement that the Rothschilds had with both the Asian Britain, which I nominated earlier, Jacob Frank,
The whole Sabbatean Frankism, you have to understand that Sabbatean Frankism is a very dangerous heresy that infiltrated Judaism and gradually has also led astray a number of Jews that today follow what is the more progressive side of Judaism, labor Zionism and all that rubbish.
So that's, I think, a clear answer for you.
Yeah, it absolutely is.
It's very interesting, because as I was saying about the Bruderbund and you were talking, it's very clear to me that it began with that as a cover, because when you look at all our apartheid presidents after that, they were all very, very strongly involved with that, right?
I mean, the African National Congress guys are all linked to different ones, but the white Bruderbunders, as we always call them, We're linked to that, which seemingly started in a very innocent way.
But of course, we know now, and especially when we're looking at Cecil John Rhodes, right, who was the original, and I'm going to say the coloniser, because he really was the coloniser.
He's the face of colonisation in South Africa, that's for sure.
To complete what we're saying regarding secret societies, like I said earlier, it is a very old, old phenomenon that predates, of course, the more modern creation in the Western world.
And in Africa, they have secret societies that exist for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
We find In Nigeria, a number of secret societies connected also to animism.
We have also the confraternities of Nigeria and the universities.
In South Africa, we have the Afrikaner bond.
We have the Afrikaner brotherhood bond.
These are two different groups that operate in South Africa.
And in South Africa, basically, the brother bond It's something for the advancement of the Afrikaner people.
But like I said, each secret society can have their own mission, but at the end they can also follow all together the same scope, the same achievement they want to realize.
In the end, in this case, a new world order, a one world government, a one world religion.
There might be secret societies that have fought that and have lost.
And I am myself a testimony of that with the information when I created in 1999 the Ordo Illuminatorum Universalis.
And then we reawakened in Italy in 2012.
Also, the Ordo Illuminatorum Universalis bringing it away from Monaco, which was the original headquarters, reawakened it in Rome.
And then we reawakened the right of strict temper of servants to bring back Christian Freemasonry within a world of Freemasonry that is being more and more focused on occult, on satanism, on oligarchism.
Also Atheism, because also there is French or let's say Continental Freemasonry, which is also very Atheist.
So I wanted to do something to fight the secret societies within the world of the secret societies.
It wasn't successful.
I was forced in the end to leave Italy.
But the attempt was made.
So, and I can understand that a lot of people will be confused by the fact that how you want to use a secret society to fight the secret society.
Well, I mean, that's the only way you can do it, especially if you want to speak a language that is understood within the lodges of Freemasonry.
We got accepted as a lodge that was working within a federation, a regular federation, so we could then convince people To re-embrace a Christian form of Freemasonry.
But like I said, it wasn't possible.
So this is something I was a witness myself.
Are you there?
I think I froze a bit.
Yes, no worries.
It's very interesting what you're saying.
Really, it makes a lot of sense, you know, when you're talking about how it split up really But at the end of the day, you're talking about Christian Freemasonry.
Isn't that really such a contradiction in terms when we're hearing what we're hearing, especially when it's going to the higher levels, right?
Like we go back to what I said earlier, Freemasonry was born as a Christian fraternity that wanted to bring Christians from different denominations back together.
The period in which it was constituted as a Grand Lodge in 1717 to the period in which then they formulated the Constitution and then there was the first schism with these two factions and all the rest.
There was an infiltration of the Gnostic and Neo-Gnostic currents that led eventually, because from Gnosticism you go to Atheism.
Because when you are taught agnosticism, a lot of those times you are taught then to believe in yourself as a God.
And at that point, you are basically just one step away from Totally either losing it and believing you are a god, or either just simply not accepting God in any way, sense or form, and so being an atheist.
So, when, for example, I remember many years ago I studied a book by Gastone Ventura, who was a very high representative of the Egyptian rites and of Martinism, known as Le Debaran.
He wrote one of the most important books on the rites of Memphis and Misery.
There is a chapter which actually specifically says, from the Gnostic churches to Atheism, because that's the whole thing.
In the end, people like Garibaldi, who were profoundly gnostic, Giuseppe Garibaldi, who unified Italy with his thousand men dressed in red, with red shirts, in any case, in the end, he was promoting something that was anti-Christian and he was promoting something that was anti-Christian and ultimately atheist.
That kind of opened, let's say, the doors to atheism.
Now, in the 1880s, in fact, the Grand Orient of France separates from English Freemasonry and declares the possibility, and then basically in the 1870s, this happened, I think 1876.
And at that point, the people who didn't believe in God could be welcoming the lodge.
That was the kickstart of...
One of the worst things that could ever happen.
Now, why?
Because then those Russian immigrants who were in those French lodges of the Grand Orient and also of the Grand Lodge de France that soon became their ally.
Well, among those people, there was also people like Vladimir Lenin, Trotsky, and that gave birth to the Russian Revolution, which in turn produced one of the most atheistic and satanic forms of society, which is the Soviet Union.
But like I explained in Volume 9 of My Confession, the Soviet Union had also very much a Gnostic imprint.
There were people who were fundamentally Gnostic.
Who were inspirers of the Russian so-called intelligentsia, that's a term they created.
So this is what I mean.
It's important, first of all, for our viewers to go and view, I think, the past episode we did together in which we discussed much more in detail the Gnostic currents, which I discussed in Volume 9.
But also it's important to understand that this heresy eventually will produce people like Alistair Crowley, who believed with his Ecclesia Gnostica Cattolica that he was really God and that man could be God.
Deus est homo is the motto of the High Degrees of the O.T.O.
The O.T.O.
was taken over by Crowley.
The law of Telema was presented to the world after he received it in 1904 in Cairo, Egypt.
But that was the product of a magical ritual, which he did to cut through all this realm of secret society to arrive right to the center and communicate with those invisible beings.
And he did that by reciting the ritual inside the Pyramid of Giza that he had translated together with McGregor Matters, the head of the Golden Dawn, and published a year prior to him going to Egypt.
He recited this ritual and the Lesser Key of Solomon, as is known.
And this is the number one book of demonology.
And once he recited this ritual, his wife got possessed, and she transmitted to him the fact that this entity, which then, you know, this entity is presented in various ways by the so-called telemites, the followers of Crowley.
But ultimately, this entity was Lucifer.
So Lucifer connected and then transmitted what is known now as the Book of the Law, which in turn connected Crowley thought this is important because I can then use this as the start of my own religion, my own religion based on the will, do what thou wilt should be the whole of the law, which is actually something that he picked up from Rabelais, and do what thou wilt should be the whole of the law.
Basically, do what you want should be the whole of the law.
Very complex to explain all the implications of this motto, this thing.
But when you go and study the Book of the Law, you see that this is the most blasphemous book ever written, and that it was profoundly insulting for people of all faiths, and that he wanted to basically make tabula rasa, so destroy all the faiths that preceded the arrival of his Religious revelation of the lemma.
So not only Christianity, but also Muhammad and Islam, everything, Judaism, everything will have to... He implied that these religions were old and that he was about to announce the arrival of a Messiah figure, but this Messiah figure is not really the Messiah, he's the Antichrist.
He's the Antichrist and he himself knew it and he himself said it would be the Antichrist because it would be anti-Christian in nature.
It will not be him.
He himself said he will not be him.
He is only a messenger, meaning a prophet of this new religion, but not the ultimate figure that will transform the planet.
That is the Antichrist.
And the Antichrist figure that was already envisioned in that ambiance in which Crowley was very popular was, of course, an ambiance of theosophists.
Because if Alistair Crowley became Alistair Crowley, he became Alistair Crowley because he had the support of Theosophy.
He had the possibility of spreading his telema thanks to Theosophy, not only through the O.T.O.
The O.T.O.
was really an order that was only born in 1903-04 by Austrian-German people They were all part of Theosophy.
They decided to have this Masonic Academia, but for the first time they wanted something that included sexual magic.
And then they baked this idea that sexual magic could be the solution to all problems and the apex of all magical workings.
We have, of course, Telema, which is the will, but the love also and everything that goes with it is, of course, stuff that we can say comes from a tantric tradition.
So we are in front, of course, of Alistair Crowley, who is presenting himself to the Illuminati as this announcer of something revolutionary.
But then he started to convince the various Illuminati and to convince them he was actually called in Germany because the Illuminati were the base Illuminati in Germany.
So in 1925, after his crazy experience in Cefalu, where he was kicked out by Benito Mussolini in 1924, this was an abbey, his own monastery, abbey of Telemma his own monastery, abbey of Telemma that he created in Sicily.
It lasted four years, he will be eventually kicked out by Benito Mussolini because what went on in that place was beyond the Boschery.
And at that point, though, the Illuminati called him to Germany because the representative, the head of the OTO was Theodore Reuss, had died in 1923.
And Crowley said, well, he actually had appointed me as his successor.
Now, nobody had a clear testament demonstrating that he was appointed his successor.
And many people think, actually, that Theodore Royce, as evil as he can be, because he was an Illuminati, he was a Freemason, this and that, he actually wanted Crowley out.
But then Crowley, with a curse, managed to make him die, because apparently he did a ritual in Cefalu to project this energy to make the Grandmaster of the Order die, to take his place.
And in 1925, Kirk Germer, not Kirk Kerner, he died immediately, the co-founder of the Order, Kirk Germer, another guy, who was involved with the military intelligence in Germany, took the time to put together the money on behalf of another guy who was the head of the OTO in Germany at the time.
And they paid for Crowley and all his staff, which included some scarlet women, some, I don't know what, perverts that followed them all over the place, like a circus.
And they basically arrived in Germany in 1925.
And that was the time in Turinia.
And they arrived in Germany for the elections of the new worldwide grandmaster of the OTO.
And there was a schism at that point.
There was some faction that didn't accept completely what Crowley was proposing because it wasn't only that the Illuminati had to elect Crowley as the worldwide grandmaster of the OTO.
The thing was also that the...
Crowley wanted to not only be elected, but he wanted to also have accepted his law of Telema and him as a prophet, meaning that he had rewritten all the rituals, focusing on this new faith and him in the role of a prophet.
It's no longer, you know, there's a big difference between a Grand Master, Worshipful Master of Freemason, of the Illuminati, of an order, and calling yourself a prophet.
It's a big difference.
And he wanted to be called a prophet.
So he wanted to be the ultimate figure.
He wanted to be called Baphomet.
So Baphomet was this secret entity that is said that was in some way revered by the Templars.
Some say, actually, and I have evidence of it, that it was Mohammed on a cross, which is a very heretical concept.
Which was given to the Templars.
The Templars were following all kinds of heresy and weird beliefs, though they were not really unitarian in their beliefs as people think.
But in any case, at that point, Crowley managed to get elected in 1925 in Germany.
And at that point, he took over the O.T.O.
He had rewritten all the rituals.
And the concept was also that he will have the Ecclesia Gnostica Cattolica, so he also created his own Gnostic Church, that will pick up on certain elements of traditional Gnosticism, which were, because, I don't know if we said this the other time, but Neo-Gnosticism was born in the 1880s in France, when there was this medium
I think we discussed this, this medium who channeled these albigeans and catered bishops and relaunched Gnosticism.
Now Crowley was very interested in legitimization of his own religion, so he picked up elements of Gnosticism, merged them with his Telema, and here we have Crowley also as Supreme Patriarch of this new Gnostic Church.
That would be also the ecclesiastical arm of the O.T.O., which still exists to this day, which is the E.G.C.
In fact, the particularity of the O.T.O.
compared to the traditional Illuminati is that the Illuminati prior to that, the Illuminati that actually Theodore Royce, who was a co-founder of the O.T.O., had reawakened with the name of Order of the Illuminati in Dresden in the 1880s.
Well, the Illuminati were political, like I said, they were not religious.
That's why they created the O.T.O., because the O.T.O.
wanted to be a little bit something religious, it wanted to be the new order of the Gnostic Templars.
With Aleister Crowley became, like I said, the order of Telema and basically at this time we are seeing in the shops of the books of Aleister Crowley with the great success promoted and all that, but behind all that there is the O.T.O.
and the O.T.O.
also was divided in various groups at one point through various schisms, but in the end it was the American faction known as the Caliphate that took control of everything, including the copyright of Alistair Crowley, with the backing of the American military intelligence and the CIA.
So it was, of course, a lot going on here.
We are trying to answer all the questions without getting lost.
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So she called me and she said, I want another treatment.
Can we come again?
So about three or four days later, they came back.
And that time I did plasma and the cold laser.
And then about a week later, we did plasma and cold laser.
And I offered it to her again, but she said, No, we're good.
That was two years ago and she still says, we gave her hope and there's nothing wrong with her cat.
How powerful the treatment is.
Well, everyone knows I'm a sucker for animals.
I love that.
I'll definitely be using that on my cats if I need to, that's for sure.
Anyway, but Leo, this is so, so interesting.
Wow.
It's amazing.
You know, and really, I've often wondered about the beginnings in terms of the intentions, rather.
So what you're saying to me was it actually started off being with a good intention, actually, but was infiltrated and literally taken over.
I would say this, that the Illuminati per se never really had a good intention.
If we intend as Illuminati and their forefathers the Gnostics, because their intention was from the time of Jesus to create problems, to create confusion, to destroy and mine the basis of the Christian faith.
Before that, They had infiltrated the Judaism.
They came all the way from ancient Sumeria.
And of course, if we have to say there is a group that hold the beliefs of the Gnostics for over 2000 years, well, we can say the only surviving group was the Mandeans.
which is a public religion which is still practiced.
Of course, they have been persecuted in the last decades in the Middle East because of the various wars, but the Mandeans, they position as their prophet, the last prophet, the most important prophet, Saint John the Baptist.
Saint John the Baptist was in reality the initiator of Jesus As we know, the guy who gave him the baptism, and so for the Illuminati is considered Jesus himself a great initiate, just like Moses is a great initiate.
Their concept of Jesus, though, is a little bit different from traditional Christians.
So, and like I said, when it comes to the Gnostics, some of them don't even believe Jesus existed in the flesh or that he was simply bestowed this Christ thing on him for a limited time and then taken away from him and transferred to another person just while he was going on the cross.
All kinds of heresies that, of course, are very popular within Gnosticism.
But why is Gnosticism so important for the Illuminati?
Because Gnosticism is the search of knowledge made by an elite.
Gnosticism was never open like Christianity to everybody.
Gnosticism was always given traditionally in the form of a secret society kind of way, with various degrees in which the candidate, and still to this day, neo-gnosticism, that's what happens.
You have different levels of understanding depending on your level of initiation.
So the Freemasons and the Illuminati saw that, you know, that wanted to embrace that because they wanted to destroy Christianity.
But like I said earlier, we have to understand that Freemasonry was immediately infiltrated after its foundation.
So, when you say their intentions were good, well, the intentions might be... when it comes to secret society, how did they start?
They started to protect the interest, usually, of the established figures in the society, meaning the shaven secret society together with the head of the
Or maybe, in ancient times, we see in certain places, like the one of Osiris, the fact Moses was initiated, it was because he was adopted.
And that's how it is explained also in the Bible.
He was adopted by this family.
That's how also he learns a lot of things.
So we know that, for example, Akhenaton, some say it was Moses.
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i want to just see who's can everyone hear me No.
Can you hear me?
Okay, I'm getting the heads up here.
I'm thinking I've disappeared into the distance.
Meanwhile, I think it might be Leo, right?
Mornay, is that right?
Okay, so Leo has popped off.
Sorry guys, we're definitely having some internet issues here.
So I'm gonna see if he's gonna come back on again.
It's a super interesting conversation.
Okay, we can hear you not, Leo.
Okay, so Leo is off.
I'm hoping he's going to come back on again.
But we're just going to give him a few minutes.
Yeah, he's gone.
But anyway, really, really enjoying this conversation with him in terms of the Illuminati and how it's Split up.
I mean, I'm completely, I feel like a kid in a classroom here, so I hope you guys are too, but unfortunately I can't really add much to his conversation because I think I'm learning as much as what you guys are, or some of you guys anyway.
But let's give him a few moments and then let's see if he'll pop back on again to see Any questions?
Doesn't seem like he's coming back.
Mornay, I'm just going to check up on him.
So guys, just hold on, please.
If Mornay can just play something in the background.
Yeah.
And then I just want to check if Leo is on.
Sorry, guys.
I know it's kind of like keeping us all hanging here.
I want to just see if he's going to come back on.
Cool.
Thanks.
A man called me and said, "I know you know a lot about natural care.
My cat is in a really bad way with a kidney infection and the vet says there's no hope for it.
Can you hear me now?
We have success!
You left us hanging, that was dreadful!
Was the problem from my side or from your side?
You left us hanging.
That was dreadful.
No, I don't understand.
I saw you.
Was the problem from my side or from your side?
Your side.
You disappeared.
I was for once innocent. - It's an incident.
No, but I couldn't see you.
I was seeing only a wheel like this.
So it was like the connection wasn't there.
It never happened.
Usually we don't have any problems, but it seems like we have some connection problem.
Well, hopefully we have sorted that connection problem out.
We're back online.
It seems like it's working.
Okay.
So welcome back to our discussion.
And from which point you lose the connection?
From which point?
I actually don't know, to be perfectly honest, because I thought I had frozen.
You were frozen.
On my side, you were frozen.
But then I couldn't see myself anymore.
I guess that maybe... I don't know.
I want to just maybe take a few questions, because there's a few interesting questions that have come up.
Someone is asking, Barbara and Betty... Sorry about Barbara.
Barbara who?
I want to just see, there's some questions.
Betty White.
Is Alistair the father of Betty White, Alistair Crowley?
And I'm assuming that's the actress Betty White, right?
Do you know anything about that?
No, I have no idea, no information.
Okay.
It's interesting just to see.
Yeah, there is some speculation that he was the father of Barbara Bush.
There was in reality a very close friendship with Barbara Bush.
He was the father of Barbara Bush.
In reality, there was some connections with the family of Barbara Bush and Alistair Crowley.
So it's not such a far-fetched hypothesis.
However, I heard about this many years ago within the OTO.
Some people were giving credibility to this.
And we know that Barbara Bush liked very much Ozzy Osbourne when he used to sing Mr Crowley.
So I don't know.
I mean, there is this possibility.
That's for sure.
Well, very interesting.
Anyway, so we have another question here from Lira, which I know we're kind of getting on in time, so I won't keep you too much longer.
Your conversations are always so interesting.
Why did Rome house and feed thousands of Russian immigrants for many months in decent hotels from 1989 to 1990?
Okay, that was a period in which, you know, the Soviet Union was falling, and there might have been also some confusion here from the person who has made this question, because a lot of those immigrants were actually Romanian, probably.
Romanian refugees, in particular, flooded Italy, just as they're flooding today from Africa.
Of course, there is a very big difference from the so-called refugees of today and the ones of 1989, 1990, because those people were really fleeing evil.
It was the end, basically, of the Soviet Union.
They had been under dictatorship.
I mean, it was reasonable to also protect those people who were trying to find a better life.
Today, this is not the case.
Only yesterday 7,000 immigrants arrived in the little island of Lampedusa in Sicily, an island which is inhabited by only 6,000 people, and chaos is arising in Italy because in Africa, now in Northern Africa, we had both the earthquake in Morocco, we had at the same time also Libya with the floods, and it seems like 7,000 people in one day arriving in Italy, it's never happened before.
And I hope it never happens again.
But you have to understand that the worst day for immigration here in America, the border with Mexico was 6,000.
Italy was 7,000.
Italy is a small country compared to the United States of America.
We can take that and at the same time Germany and France, which of course are controlled by the Illuminati and the usual suspects, have closed their borders down.
So now Italy is left there in a situation which is very uncomfortable.
Now, the only solution is military solution, is to block naval block of all entries.
You could be considering taking all these people because either Europe stays Europe, otherwise people can just flee Africa and come to Europe, but then that's it, it's the end of Europe.
So I'm very much in favor of a military naval blockade, but that's not going to happen at the moment because the European Union is operating for a plan called the Calergy Plan that wants to racially replace Europeans, which are native of those countries, Four thousands of years on the contrary of other countries.
Let's specify this because this has touched me very personally.
When you come to America, this is a country made of immigrants, different people.
There was slavery.
Europe is not the case.
That's not the case.
We didn't have slavery in Italy since the time of ancient Rome.
So it's incredible that we can have this invasion that will destroy the Judeo-Christian culture.
In favor of what?
Now, we said that the Africans have secret societies spread all over Africa, secret societies which even practice cannibalism in Sierra Leone.
In other countries, they practice voodoo.
In other countries, they practice witchcraft of various kinds.
There is very evil secret societies in Africa.
And that's a problem that needs to be dealt with.
Isn't it all over though?
You know, really, I mean, when we're looking at cannibalism, we just got to look at what's happening with the Luciferians, right?
There's cannibalism right there and it's disguised.
You know, I think with a lot of the African tribes, I think the only... I would not like to compare a prison in Rwanda where people eat themselves with Europe or with the Western world.
No, no, I understand that.
What I'm saying is, you know, when we're looking at different cultures, you know, they're eating people.
So, you know, I think in the year 2023, we have made some evolutionary steps so we don't really eat ourselves.
I mean, I hope to think of that, but I mean, maybe I'm too much of a hopeful, but we are in the year 2023, so I think people need to evolve.
Everything we're hearing... Oh, I agree, but what I'm saying is everything we're hearing, when we're looking at the kids and say there's a fire sick and all of that, that type of thing is alive and well in the rest of the world as well.
It's just disguised a lot better.
And yes, I agree.
And it's interesting, The problem here when it comes to Africa is that all their leaders for each country, depending on which colonial, you know, if they were British colonies or they were French colonies.
All their leaders are initiated into Freemasonry, into the elite by the Europeans and by the Western world.
Those people become a bunch of crooks that keep their countries in poverty and that don't have my respect.
That's why for me, Africa is a place that has no respect for me, because in the evolutionary world, in the evolutionary steps they have taken, what is the evolutionary steps?
Basically, their elite keeps on striving And keep some making deals which are basically jeopardizing their own people.
No respect for the majority of their own people.
So those heads of tribes that preceded or kingdoms that preceded the present governments that are a farce in Africa, well, they're very easily corruptible.
That's why in Africa now we find there is a war between BRICS and NATO.
And this war between BRICS and NATO, which means China and Russia against America, basically.
Well, it's in France, because France also continues to have a lot of interest in Africa.
Too many interests in Africa.
So let's not forget that there is this problem here, and it's a big problem.
So, I mean, we need to be acquainted with all these things.
I mean, I was a guest of the Boutros-Boutros-Ghali family in Egypt, when Boutros-Boutros-Ghali was Secretary General of the United Nations, had been head of the United Nations, and I saw how things work out there with the elite.
How the elite is treated and how the most people are instead put in poverty by that elite.
Well, I don't think the solution is communism, of course, but some people will think it might be communism.
That's why in Africa there have been countries in which the perverse ideology of communism has spread, including South Africa.
Coming into Africa since forever.
You know, I mean, we're going back many, many years.
Russia, especially, has been coming in here over Many, many, many decades now.
I mean, that's common knowledge here.
But, you know, I hear what you're saying, but I'm still going to protect my continent because I'm going to say it's fine not to have respect for Africans, but at the same time, let's never forget who the colonizers are.
Let me finish.
Let's never forget who the colonizers are, and let's never forget who the corrupters are.
You know, we must also understand, when we're looking at Africa, we're looking at a completely different problem.
The problem with Africa, it's not a problem with Africa only, this problem reflects also in the Middle East, because the Arabs have the same kind of mentality.
You only need to corrupt their elite and you are fine because the rest of the people, they don't have any constitution, any rights, anything.
So the fact that still in the year 2023, the people of Africa accept those compromises because they accept corruption as a way of life.
Well, that ruins the whole continent.
I'm sorry to say that.
It ruins not only Africa, but it ruins South America.
South America, same thing.
Same thing.
But to understand, to be able to understand that, you have to understand the mentality of the African person.
It's very, very different to that of the European, which is why it was very easy for Europe to colonize Africa, because Africa doesn't have the same way of being as the colonizers do.
So the African person is the person that belongs to the land.
So the African person is the one that says, the land does not belong to me.
I belong to the land.
So that has been corrupted systematically over time.
And when you look at the African people, they have a great respect for their elders.
That is absolutely indoctrinated into the culture.
Chotel, we are in front of an epochal problem.
There is about 100 million people that in the next 10 years will try to flood Europe and ruin the Western world.
We can't accept that.
It can't be accepted.
So we can't compromise and say, oh, but the poor people, they have been misled by the colonizers.
This is all part of the establishment.
So we know the establishment is corrupt in Europe.
We know the establishment is corrupt in America.
We know the establishment is basically corrupt all over the world.
But the problem is what's happening in Africa is also because the Africans have not been able to emancipate themselves from these constrictions.
So at the moment... But they've only had freedom for 30 years.
The African people before this was under the hectic rule of apartheid and colonizers.
You know, the only country in Africa that was never colonized...
They were bowed down to.
The African people were bowed down to.
There were kingdoms in Africa.
Yes, that's what I mean.
With Africans.
Let's make it very clear.
Yes, they did.
You know, all the BS about we have to be paying for, you know, the people here in California who want the money because of the descent of slaves.
That is BS.
Because at that point... I agree.
I could also request the money for being the slave of somebody in ancient Rome.
So this whole thing is completely wrong to think that we can be tolerant.
Because unfortunately, the next few years are not going to be about tolerance.
They're going to be about survival of the fittest on a global scale.
And unfortunately, we're going to see movements of millions of people that for hunger and for corruption reasons are leaving Africa.
They are not staying there.
They want to leave.
So why do they want to leave?
You said the connection is with their land, but they don't seem to.
You know, there is a saying, when you are escaping from a war, you bring your whole family with you.
When you are invading a country, you go only with men.
And the 7,000 people that arrived yesterday in the island of Lampedusa, which is Sicily, and I'm half Sicilian, were all African men.
And those men should have stayed home, in their houses.
That's it.
So you understand the concept here.
The concept is, this is an invasion.
An invasion needs to be treated as such.
I can't hear the Can you hear me?
Yes, I can hear you now.
Look, I agree.
The fact that they travel only men without the family, you don't leave a family.
You travel alone, which is as a man with other men, which is in an invasion format.
I bring the family when I'm flying.
When I came to America, because I had to flee Italy for religious and political persecution, I brought my family.
If I was coming here alone, as a man, with other 7,000 men, there would be something weird in the air.
That's not basically something normal.
That's an invasion.
I agree.
And I think it wasn't...
I was seeing something like that a couple of days ago, and I really can't be sure, but there was just men, but they were not African men.
They looked like more sort of dark-skinned, Arab-type features.
Also, just Walking in, just come to other countries.
I'm not sure which one.
Oh gosh, there he goes again.
But anyway, what I was saying was there's a lot coming in.
There's a lot of just men.
So it makes me wonder what the agenda is because someone is telling just men to come, right?
Someone is telling them not to bring their wives and kids or whatever it is.
So it does definitely seem to me like there's some sort of an invasion or something That is going on with all these guys entering strange countries.
Okay, here's Leo again.
Okay, we can hear, we can hear, no worries.
That's your internet!
Yes, my internet.
Screw internet today.
But the topics we're discussing are very fascinating.
And I think that people will understand, though, that when a guy like John Kerry, who is one of the heads of the skull and bones, is talking about 100 million people arriving into the Western world from Africa because of the crisis there, you have to understand that the crisis is being created by these people in the first place.
We have seen it with what happened in Nigeria lately with the coup that was there.
We see it in other countries where they basically change the head of state and with the coup d'etat every two days.
So I think that, of course, if we if we Reasoning that way, we can say the responsibility is of the West.
But the problem is that we are not the ones who are ruling the West.
It's the elite that is ruling the West.
Isn't that the case, Chantal?
Yeah, totally.
You know, I mean, and it's really, that's what I think when you were off for that few minutes, I was saying as well, you know, this is definitely planned, that these young men and they're all of military age, strong, able-bodied, you're not seeing grandpas, you're not seeing
You're not seeing kids, you're not seeing women, you're seeing young military-aged men that are obviously given instruction from someone, right, in their country to go because someone there has arranged with someone there that these guys are coming in.
And no doubt they'll be training and, as you say, making place, creating some space for invasion.
And it's true, you know, it doesn't matter where in the world we live.
Also regarding Africa, but we can discuss also South and Central America.
Their will to move this large number of people is because they want to also change the political landscape.
They know that, for example, somebody who lives in Europe for thousands of years and is basically indigent to that place is a conservative.
You can't change the mindset of a Hungarian.
In fact, Viktor Orban has closed down the frontiers and said to the rest of the European Union to screw off.
Because that's how it is.
He wants to keep Hungary Hungarian.
Now, if the rest of the Western world doesn't understand that, this is a change.
Why?
They want to let thousands of people in through Mexico because they want to change the political landscape.
They want to transform Texas in a democratic shithole, just like other shitholes here in the United States of America.
They want to change the political landscape.
They want to change also the cultural DNA of these places.
When you arrive from Africa, from South America, from Central America, from these third world countries, and the Democrats, the left wingers tell you, yes, come here, come here, then you will of course vote for them.
And then you go into their schools and you are educated by the universities of today that are in the hands of these monsters.
And you can send basically a conservative youngster to a university here in America and he will come out a liberal, a progressive idiot, a leptard, an antifa.
So this is what they want to do.
They want to change the landscape.
And sorry, Chantal, that's not something I accept.
No, I agree.
I agree.
If you're going to do stuff, be transparent about it.
There's no transparency.
Everything is happening behind the scenes.
You know, at the end of the day, yes, we are all human beings on this planet and we should be treated equally.
But it's never been done that way because there's always been some kind of power that be of, you know, controllers.
In power that really calls the shots and really does the most insane evil things to keep us.
And as long as you know, and as long as we can be aware of what's going on, I'm loving, for example, the amount of information that's coming out regarding these fires, you know, and the direct energy weapons and stuff.
I mean, like with with the Maui.
Just incredible that people are catching on.
They're not shutting up.
Oprah Winfrey is under so much fire right now, from every angle, and so she should be, because she is one of the girls on this planet, I'm telling you.
And again, I have a special little eye on Oprah because of her involvement in Africa as well.
She's always where people are Having hurricanes or kids or trafficking or doing something.
And it's just amazing to see that people are actually waking up.
However, I think one of the most sad places of the moment on the planet that really reflects this crossfire of interest is Haiti.
Haiti, let's not forget the island of Santo Domingo was the island that was first discovered by Christopher Columbus.
It should have been a very different kind of place.
In fact, half of it is, of course, Santo Domingo, and half of it instead is that... I'm sorry to call it that way, but that's how it is.
It's a shithole.
It's a land of... It's a hellish place.
And it's a hellish place because these people, not only they continue to worship their demonic entities every day, thinking that that will bring them to some kind of solution, it never brings them to any kind of solution.
Because we have seen what happens when you indulge in voodoo.
And that's what happens in Haiti.
But then also the problem they had with the French.
They kicked out the French.
They became the first independent black state in the world.
What are they now today in 2023, Chantal?
I can't, I think you are frozen for the moment.
Maybe we have some connection problem again.
Hello?
Hello?
Can you, can you, can you see me?
I was present for a while, apparently I was too!
It's incredible, this episode really never had so many technical problems.
They're not getting us down, Leo.
They're not getting us down.
We are survivors.
Yeah, we might have maybe touched on things that they don't want us really to discuss.
That's one of the reasons why we're having all these connection problems.
But like I said, unfortunately, one of the worst results that Freemasonry and at the same time Blackmagic has produced is actually Haiti.
And I think that is pretty obvious to everybody.
What is your idea on Haiti, Chantal?
Yeah, you know, I mean, what I know about that is absolutely from definitely with the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation.
Yeah.
And all that child trafficking going on there.
And you know, because the way I see that is, as long as that kind of evil is small, right?
Everyone is complicit.
I'm sorry.
Everyone who's in power is complicit with stuff like that.
So I believe that we definitely, you know, and as you say, a lot of the island, Africa, the tribal areas, there is a lot of witchcraft and black magic that exists.
I will never deny that.
I see it happening.
I've seen, I mean, I'll never forget one of my nanny, one of my nannies that worked for me many years ago.
She had twins and overnight her twins died from black magic.
Someone put black magic on her twins and overnight they died in the most horrible way.
So I know, you know, it's not even coming from the upper echelon, it's people that actually exist and do it in that way.
And yes, I know Africa is a huge portal for that kind of energy.
But I also see that as a beautiful opportunity, you know, as with everything that we get to change that around, we get to see the good at the end of the day, we get to launder that horrible stuff.
At some point we will.
I do believe that.
It's the same as I said with Ireland.
In my opinion...
I believe there is an opportunity, like you said, It's a continent that needs to be exercised and it's a continent that needs to receive Christ and Christianity for the first time in a real way, not because of institutions that are corrupted like the Catholic Church, Or the televangelists that of course find Africa a land where they can enrich themselves further.
I'm talking about real Christianity that can finally say stop to all this animist rubbish.
Sorry if I say that I have to be, but that's how it is.
It's dangerous, it's evil, it's demonic.
And replace it with the belief in God.
If the Africans The only alternative at the moment is Islam, that is a completely different kind of board game, because this is a religion that went and conquered and slaughtered people and basically converted people by the sword, which is never the right way.
We don't have to convert people by force, like Islam is doing, because after you have the monstrosities like Boko Haram arising.
So there is also, it has to come from the will of the people to want to convert.
And that is a cultural transformation of immense proportions that at the moment I don't see happening.
I think.
But isn't that exactly what Christianity did not too many years ago?
Well, isn't that what Christianity was about not too many years ago?
Let's look at the Christian Crusaders.
I don't think so.
No, sorry.
If I go in Eritrea, if I go in Ethiopia, especially in Ethiopia, and I go there and I see the really ancient form of Christianity they have, which is the only one that, by the way, accepts the Book of Enoch in Ethiopia.
Well, I have a lot of respect for those people.
That form of Christianity is one of the oldest forms of Christianity and it wasn't by conversion by the soul.
But can I also tell you something interesting about Ethiopia?
They're the only country in Africa that was never colonized.
How interesting is that?
It was colonized at one point by the Italians, but it wasn't a great colonization.
It was a big failure.
Well, yeah, the colonizers were scared because they accused the Ethiopians of being cannibals, and the only reason why they didn't colonize them was because they didn't want to be eaten by them.
So that's very interesting, right?
But I want to just say, I have no problem With people following whatever their heart leads them.
But I can tell you, and I'm going to end off by saying this because we are over time, but it's been a fantastic conversation.
Christianity and the Christian missionaries have been in Africa since forever.
And I'll tell you, in many places, It's done a lot more harm than when it's done good.
I know, because Chantel... Chantel, they were not real Christians.
They were, like I said before, representing institutions like the Catholic Church, the Christian Church, whatever, the televangelists in the more recent times.
This is not real Christianity.
They never have met real Christianity in those places.
But also, you cannot come to a... And I want to just say this very clearly, as a white African, right?
I have a lot of dealings with African people, right?
And inside, I'm African.
You cannot come to another continent and disrespect their belief system and tell them it's evil.
Because although there are evil parts to it, absolutely, like everything else, there is a fantastic side to it and there's a very dark side to it.
Just like with Christianity, just like with everything.
If we want to deal with people and make friends with each other, we have to begin to respect each other's cultures.
Let's not forget that Christianity was born in that continent, if we want to see the Middle East as part of it also.
So, I mean, it's a question that arises also from ancient Egypt.
I mean, civilization has progressed, but certain civilizations have not progressed, and there is a reason why they have not progressed.
If people are lining up to join us in Europe or in America, it's because this civilization must have done something right.
Now, I know that you want to respect what other civilizations and what other people and cultures are all about.
But the problem is that those cultures that... I come from Rome.
Rome sees those cultures as barbarians.
They call them barbarians.
And so I will keep on calling them barbarians.
I'm sorry.
And if you want to become a civilized person and enjoy the 21st century, you're welcome.
If you want to stay in the past, you can stay in the past.
Now, the problem here is that those barbarians are becoming corrupt by the Western world.
by the elite in the Western world that sees those people as weak.
And I think that their weakness comes from their cultural position and their religious position.
So at times, like you said, unfortunately, missionaries have made more damages because they were not really missionaries for Christ or missionaries for God.
They were missionaries for their own political interests.
The Spaniards, the French, the English.
and their own political, they didn't have, they didn't, the Jesuits or the Dominicans or whatever other religious institution that arrives there, they were there for the interest of their own nations in Europe, their own kingdoms, their own, so that's the big problem, I think. their own, so that's the big problem, I think.
So yes, today, this is the result of it.
But I repeat that we are now, we don't have much time.
In seven years, the whole world will be ruled by the AI.
At that point, you can live in the middle of nowhere in Africa and be controlled by a satellite.
So get it through your head.
We don't have time for religious Or cultural discussions about if your form of thing is better than mine.
We have to fight an enemy and the enemies in front of us is cyber Satan.
And that enemy will be the same enemy for me, but also for the simple guy who doesn't know anything about it.
Now he needs to become aware.
Otherwise he will become a slave.
And we will become slaves with him.
That's the problem here.
So.
It's a bit, you understand, Chantal, we have seven years here.
I don't think in seven years we can convince the man of the bush to change.
So what are we going to do?
We probably can't.
You know, for me, the bottom line is we've got to take Heed from our First Nation people.
When we start living the way the First Nation people were living and we start taking that way of being into a modern day world, Then I believe that we will be fine.
Because everything right now, as you say, the only reason we can have AI Satan is because we've given our power away.
It's because we've given our power away to the internet, to technology, to everything, which makes me think that the people in the rural areas are probably safer, because they don't have that.
You know what I'm saying?
I was about to say that.
That is definitely was the solution up until now.
You are in a rural area in the middle of nowhere.
You say, OK, I'm off the grid.
I'm fine.
But Shantel, unfortunately, you know that today, even if you live in the most rural area in Africa, some asshole is going to arrive there and say, I want your gold.
I want your minerals.
I have to build the green economy.
I have to to build whatever bullshit and I will enslave you, your family and everybody with it.
So either they wake up to this or either they will be enslaved.
And unfortunately, when I see those children who are there in the mines in Africa because somebody has to build a mobile phone here in the Western world, well, I think that is profoundly wrong.
I think it's profoundly wrong that the people in Silicon Valley make billions while there is people enslaved, little children in Africa because they have to supply the material for making maybe the latest green car or whatever, electric car or the bullshit.
So this is a very unjust world at the moment.
Very unjust world.
And unfortunately Africa is seeing a lot of this injustice.
And it's got to be turned around.
Yes, absolutely.
Anyway, on that note, we will... Yeah.
OK.
Great, guys and girls.
We've been on air for an hour and a half already, which has been fantastic.
Yes, yes.
Always enjoy having these conversations.
Leo, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Pleasure to have you with me tonight.
And we will see you, I think, in two weeks' time.
I mean, we've got you on, I think, the last week Every Friday we'll arrange that.
And we'll both try to have a better internet connection.
I will make the most of my side to fix things because today something definitely went wrong on my side.
But hopefully on your side we can have a better connection for our viewers next time.
Thank you very much for tuning in and for having me on.
Thank you Louis, a pleasure to have you.
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