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Sept. 5, 2023 - The Leo Zagami Show
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ALL THE GNOSTIC LIES THE ILLUMINATI SPREAD ABOUT JESUS
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Hello, welcome to the Corning Turner welcome to the Corning Turner Podcast.
I'm here today with Leo Zagami.
He is an incredibly prolific author, and he has another book, the ninth book.
I am so excited to read this one.
Usually I like to read it before we do the interview.
Unfortunately, I've been home literally five days in the past month.
I think I did 30 interviews in the past two and a half weeks.
So yeah.
And so we have been a little bit busy and we had quite the kerfuffle getting home this time.
You know, TSA was ransacking.
I always say, I joke, half-joking, they either molest you or they molest your belongings.
And so they They went through all of our bags.
They, of course, you know, don't repack it.
Nothing fit.
And so our bags did not make it on the same flight.
We got detained one flight.
Two of our bags made it on the earlier flight.
One bag didn't make it until the next morning.
So, yeah.
But we finally have our stuff, so at least they didn't lose it.
And here we are.
But I am dying to hear all about this new book.
How have you been?
How are you doing?
Oh, great, thanks.
Survived the hurricane Hillary here in Southern California, together with an earthquake.
It was kind of unusual to have all together a series of events like this in Southern California, but we made it here in Palm Springs.
So I've been publishing, of course, this new book and promoting it in the last month.
And it seems that people are really appreciating the work that I put into it.
Because I tried to do a book that could be read also by people who have not read my previous book.
So it's divided in seven chapters, which are seven imaginary steps into the secrets of the New World Disorder, as I defined it, from transhumanism and immortality to Gnostic Jesus, which is a very important concept Which the Illuminati, of course, have spread together with a lot of lies about Jesus for a very long time and needed to have some exposure a little bit.
And then we, of course, go back on the subject of UFOs, reverse engineering, and also for the first time in this book, I talk about the Codex Alimentarius and insect witchcraft.
So it's, there's a lot of material in it and And it really makes people aware of where we are right now in 2023 as this book is coming out.
But I think it will be also a book that will help the future generations to understand this in-between time that we are living just preceding the AI takeover.
Yeah, wow, there's so much to unpack in all of that.
I want to start with something related, but a little bit of a segue, because I was actually just having this conversation like two days ago with someone who was formerly a Mason, and he was telling me that, and I hear this all the time, that, you know, there's really just this fraternity, a brotherhood, it's just a place for like a fellowship, And that, you know, all this nonsense about them having their dystopian plans is just hearsay and nonsense.
What do you say to that?
He might be actually very honest in his capacity with the work that he does in his local lodge, within the Grand Lodge.
I have noticed that within the members of Grand Lodge, there is very few people that then are aware of what is really going on behind the scenes and who are working, of course, into that direction.
But in this book, I show without, you know, without any, I mean, it's like really obvious.
I show the documents, I show the pictures of the masons and the Illuminati involved.
I make the names and I cite, of course, also their views that might not be the views of all the Freemasons in the world, which most of the time you see Freemasons within their local lodge, which they deem as sovereign.
They actually conduct work which is supposed to be for the betterment of mankind, of the single human being that is, you know, perfectioning himself.
Now, having said that, there is, though, very much advanced Freemasons.
So, like, for example, the ones I cited in this book, like the former Grand Master of Italian Freemason, Giuliano Di Bernardo, who founded the Academy of the Illuminati in 2002, And Dr. Nicholas Laus, which I cite in the first chapter of this book with his endorsement of transhumanism, cryogenics and whatnot, that instead give us a different idea.
Now, like I said, there is a minority of Masons.
When I came here in California, as a Freemason who had been involved in Freemason for many years, I was looking to see if I could work in a local lodge.
And immediately, because of my status, I was then, you know, like kind of directed towards a Freemason who was accustomed with intelligence operations and stuff in Los Angeles, so then gave me a code word to access here like kind of directed towards a Freemason who was accustomed with intelligence operations But the local lodge didn't really want me because...
Here in California, for example, the Grand Lodge is today in the hands of progressive forces, aside from the occultists that are really present in abundance here in California, especially from groups like the Ordo Templi Orientis and whatnot that pollute especially from groups like the Ordo Templi Orientis and whatnot that pollute the egregores of the various lodges There is also, and this is, I mean, it's confirmed.
It's the former Grand Master, for example, of California who has criticized Donald J. Trump openly.
So they say that they are not, of course, involved in politics and religion.
But the way they then approach me, for example, just to, you know, it was like, ah, you need to repeat your initiations.
Well, I said, sorry, but I was initiated once and that happened.
I mean, I was initiated more than once, but the one that I deem as more important, the one from the United Generals of England is the most regular initiation you can have.
But still, they wanted me To be subject to another initiation.
And also, like I said, I saw the environment here and it wasn't really friendly towards conservative ideas.
It was an environment that was pushing, you know, I came into the, I went to one Wednesday here in Palm Springs into their lodge and I found a drag queen there and some other people that I didn't really, I mean, I don't have anything against people who have, you know, but I mean, it's like they're forcing upon us a reality that I think goes against nature.
However, having said that, we are discussing now a book in which I talk about people who are presenting transhumanism as almost the new form of Freemasonry.
So, The fact that, you know, there is single lodges who do a great job in helping others because they also do a lot of social work, you know.
I have here a bunch of Magazines from the local Grand Lodge of California and how they were supposed to help this and that.
But then after, during the pandemic, as I was known as the scamdemic, they didn't really act in a very fraternal way, even towards brothers that were in difficulty.
Now, I had a friend that actually wanted me to join his lodge, which wasn't in Palm Springs, it was actually in Yucca Valley, a guy called Bill Wright.
And he was also kind of a high level Mason.
He was in the Ancient Ancestors College, in the Shriners, all kinds of things he was doing.
But he was actually a guy who did it also to entertain, you know, the children in the hospitals.
He was very much into helping others.
But when he was in difficulty in the last period of his life, he died basically, probably of COVID.
We don't know that for sure, but he was found in his place.
And I wasn't too worried about it and neither of his friends.
So it kind of like, and the same thing happened in the past where people maybe passed away, they don't even care to notify you.
And I think that this demonstrates though, I think the main thing that really bothered me and my wife when we wanted to join this specific lodge, for example, Yucca Valley, was one day we went there And outside in the parking place, we saw a big pickup truck with a reverse pentagram and a satanic symbol.
Now, we were kind of caught a little bit off guard.
When we went inside, it was one of those public events they do to socialize with the wives of the masons.
So it wasn't a ritual event.
It wasn't only for For the male masons.
But in any case, we noticed that there was rather dark characters, especially young recluse within the lodge, who were simply people from an environment which I don't want to associate with.
I mean, people who play in dark metal bands or gothic and they practice occultism.
I don't think that the lodges of Freemasonry should be so welcoming towards this kind of people.
But you see, Freemasonry has been polluted and compromised for the last three centuries.
And I explain this in my book also because of Gnosticism.
And so in this book, in particular, in the fifth chapter of this book, so the fifth step, which I will actually invite all Freemasons to read because they might find a lot of material of interest for them.
There is, of course, the teachings of Adam Weishaupt, who was the founder of the Illuminati regarding Jesus.
There is the teachings of Albert Pike, the great reformer of the ancient and accepted Scottish Rite.
And on top of that, there is also the teachings of John Yarker, who was this great reformer of the ancient and primitive right from Memphis and Misery, holder of his title of Grand Yerophant, who passed on his degrees and his knowledge to the OTO and to Aleister Crowley, and the founders who passed on his degrees and his knowledge to the OTO and to Aleister Crowley, and the
So the chapter in particular dedicated to exposing how the Gnostics of 2,000 years ago are actually the Illuminati of today.
The Simon Magus of 2,000 years ago, who started what we know as the sin of simony, because you sell your religious titles, that's the sin of simony.
It's basically based on, it's basically the start of Gnosticism.
And that's why I explain in this book how when Adam Bishop came along with his Illuminati, he actually promoted the idea that they were the real Christians Teaching real Christianity.
In reality that was not the case, but this lie about saying, you know, even claiming that Illuminati was, and it might be true to some extent, the people who of course received the light of Jesus were illuminated, but the fact that then he pushes all these Gnostic heresies is very much
Confusing and in the end it's pushing the idea that Jesus was simply a man if he even existed because in Gnosticism you have the idea that you have this Christ thing that comes upon a man that then before the crucifixion goes somewhere else and it's not even Jesus Christ is not even an existing figure for some Gnostic sect.
Gnosticism was actually very dangerous for the Fathers of the Church, and people don't understand that because these days they don't give so much importance, and they think that Christianity came into a package as we know it, all together, and we are enjoying it with all the, you know, it's great.
Some other people say, of course, The Vatican has been hiding some truths about Jesus, and that could be correct, but that also gave the possibility to those Gnostic sects that operated even before Jesus to spread their lies within Christianity, at times even selling them as they were the words and the teachings of Jesus.
See?
So, Jesus corrected the false teachings of the scribes and the Pharisees.
He always put his disciples on constant guard against these lies, these false teachings, but it's also true that Some of his disciples, of course, had to fight against these Gnostics immediately after his departure.
Simon Magus was fought by St.
Peter in Rome.
There was a big conflict amongst them, between them.
Jesus was somebody who gave specific teachings that were open to everybody in the world.
They were open and they were not preclused for an elite.
The Gnostics viewed their teachings as teachings that need to be spread only amongst an elite.
Right.
That's their knowledge.
Yes.
And then, you know, there is this whole thing about the Christians are not really in the eyes.
So when Freemasonry became an organization, Speculative Freemasonry was formalized as an organization and then put together as a Grand Lodge in 1717 with the first meeting of these various lodges that met together in this pub, the Goose and the Griddle.
And then later on in the 1720s, they also created a constitution with Reverend Anderson.
When did you say?
In the 1720s, in 1723. 1723, right?
I think it was 1723.
Yes, 1723 they created the basis for this constitution that will be accepted by everybody around the world as the basic tenets of Freemasonry.
And it was written by a reverend, by somebody who was Christian.
The idea was to bring together the people who have been fighting amongst Christians, war of religions among Christians.
So there was a lot of conflict in England and that also brought to the pilgrims, the first pilgrims who came to this side of the world, you know, by leaving England because there was a war, ongoing war, between different religious factions.
So Freemasonry, in a way, wanted to bring back this union of different Christian factions under the same home.
And in fact, the first lodges actually were shaped as a cross.
So Christianity was very much present in early Freemasonry.
Then what happened?
It started really after the Freemasons were shaped, we said, with the Constitution and there was, of course, the first Grandmasters and there were some problems because then two factions were emerging, one that was loyal to the future Windsors, they had no variance, the other one to
The steward wanted to bring back Catholicism as heading the monarchy in England, and so these two factions of Freemasons also started to have different teachings, and it's shaped into two factions that were known as the Ancient and the Modern.
These two factions Went on fighting against each other, and of course they established each one their own lodges.
One was more fixated with the very basic three degrees, and then the other one was also fixated with the higher degrees, with the possibility also of bringing teachings that started to emerge from various sources.
And of course there was also this tendency that then we still find in the High Degrees in the Ancient and Accepted Rites, for example, from the 30th onwards, of relating to the Knights Tempers as the origins of Freemasonry.
While the other faction was more inclined to believe in the guilds, in the establishment of Freemasonry through Through the constructors of cathedrals, of churches that were given a certain knowledge and was transmitted.
They were actual masons, constructors, you know.
So, there was this two-factor... Carpenter checks and carpentry type of... Carpentry, yeah, from ancient Rome onwards who had...
Being given this, you know, when you have to lay down, especially we noticed in Gothic cathedral, the symbology that is very complex.
Where does it come from?
Who put together this beautiful and amazing cathedrals needed to have some kind of inside knowledge also, because we see, for example, still nowadays, a lot of hermetic elements or There were elements of teachings that are not really well known by the masses that would then maybe just go to church for a blessing by the local priest or the bishop.
They were transmitting at times teachings that were initiatic.
In a way, no.
We noticed that also in the Church of Roseland, for example, in Scotland, that has always been a stronghold of the Sinclair family.
Many years ago, I was able to interview one of the most important members of the Sinclair family regarding also this.
When it comes to the Gnostics, at that point Freemasonry didn't have anything really Gnostic, and that is confirmed also by Tobias Churton, who is probably one of the most well-known Masonic historians in the academic world.
Also, he's rather well-known because, at the end of the day, He started to relaunch the Gnostics, just like Ellen Page did in the 70s.
These people picked up from the Nag Hammadi Discovery, of course, which is Coptic, which is basically including various Gnostics.
This Nag Hammadi Discovery, the Nag Hammadi Library, as it's known, the Nag Hammadi, is basically Okay.
often confused with the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is another discovery, and they have nothing to do with each other.
Okay.
Okay, because one discovery is connected to Gnosticism, while instead the Dead Sea Scroll is connected to the Ascens, The Essenes were not Gnostics.
This misunderstanding that the Essenes were Gnostic is another of those fake news that were promoted mainly by the Theosophical Society and later on by those people who and promoted neo-Gnosticism, which is a new current of Gnosticism that emerged within the Spiritism in the 1880s in France, and became then the basic current for the modern Gnostic revival.
And what's the difference between the neo-Gnostics and the traditional Gnostics?
Well, the traditional Gnostics, of course, like I said, some of them probably even anticipated Jesus and were present even before Jesus.
So Gnosticism came maybe from Sumeria and we see also there's only one surviving group of Gnostics today that survives and believes in the teachings of Saint John the Baptist as the last great prophet.
That is the Mandaeans.
And they still exist in some parts of the Middle East, though of course with the war in Iraq and everything that happened It's a little bit, uh, there has been a diaspora of the Mandeans, but the Mandeans are the only, uh, let's say the only group, uh, ethno-religious community practicing something that is Gnostic in nature.
Okay.
Uh, why instead, but, but the Mandeans, like I said, they don't believe, uh, they don't really believe in Jesus.
They believe in St.
John the Baptist.
Now, We know that, for example, Freemasons have always given very much importance to both St.
John the Baptist and St.
John the Evangelist as representing also the two equinoxes of the year.
They have very much a belief that they are in some way connected to the teachings of St.
John, both St.
John the Baptist and the Evangelist.
But the thing is, when it comes to the Gnostics, And they say, of course, that it's been said by some experts that maybe the Apocalypse of St.
John, the Book of Revelation in some way was a reply towards, addressed against the Gnostics also.
But aside from that, that has also some kind of Gnostic element.
But the thing is, when it comes to the Gnostics, the Gnostics, like I said, some teachings were present before the arrival of Jesus.
They definitely surfaced with a lot more inputs around the second century after Christ.
And they became a threat to the early Christian church at that time.
Especially from Alexandria of Egypt, which seemed to be one of the basis to which this teaching started to emanate more.
However, having said that, we talked about Simon Magus, which is defined as the first Gnostic.
Though, like I said, it might even be incorrect, because if Gnostics preceded Jesus, they might have been other form of... But also you have to understand the term Gnostic, it might be rather recent respect to before it was still there was still just the whole thing was deemed as just heretics you know people who were uh and so what happened was that these various gnostic factions that started to shape up uh
They refer to the Gnosis as knowledge.
Knowledge.
And this knowledge basically reserved to a small group of people, though.
Not for everyone.
So it's like already a concept which I find very un-Christian because Jesus wanted, you know, to reach everybody.
Sure.
Yeah, at least we're going to be accessible to everyone who wanted to receive.
Absolutely.
So also, when it comes to, you said, what distinguishes neo-gnosticism from non-gnosticism.
Well, neo-gnosticism was born in 1888 by Jules Daniel, who was this French archivist of the Grand Orient of France, who used to be actually A, studying in a Jesuit seminary, but was kicked out because he was masturbating too much and he was always thinking about women.
They kicked him out of there.
He actually became part of the French Theosophical Society.
In the headquarters of the French Theosophical Society, he was inspired by Albert Pike, because Albert Pike It's true that Albert Pike inspired himself from a Frenchman who was Eliphas Levi, who basically wrote the Dogmas and Rituals of Magic, and he instead wrote the Dogmas and Rituals of Freemasonry and of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite.
But what happened was that when Albert Pike reshaped the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, he reformed this rite, and he was actually
so influential that he ended up living the last few years of his life in the headquarters of the Ancient and Ascetic Scottish Rite during this constant reform that led also to this book, The Dogmas and Rituals, that Albert Pike, in a way, wanted to address for each of these 33 degrees.
So, for each of these degrees, there is these additional teachings, and in these additional teachings, He gives these Gnostic lies, basically, because he mixes a lot of elements that are not even truthful.
Like, for example, the lie that the Essenes were Gnostics, and that is something that the academics have very much separated.
Because when there is a Dead Sea Scroll, you don't find anything Gnostic.
When you find the Gnostic stuff, you find it in the Nag Hammadi.
Discovery.
One was from 1945.
The other one went from 1946 to the beginning of the fifties.
So there's a lot of confusion because these two discoveries were made in the same timeframe.
However, Albert Pike was not possibly conscious of all this and aware of all this because he was a long dead.
So basically he was living in an era in which there was still a lot of confusion And people might have thought that the Essence dressing in white and being... And they were a very popular sect at the time of Jesus.
In fact, it's said that Jesus might have had some contact with the Essence, and even that John the Baptist might have been a member.
However, they were not Gnostics.
They were just a sect of Jews who were practicing Mosaic laws in a different, more Maybe orthodox way, purist way, they had some other kind of teachings that they were accepting that were not accepted by the majority of the Jews.
For example, like the Book of Enoch, which still to this day is not accepted by most Christians or by most is not in the canonical writings or is not accepted by the majority of neither Jews or Christians, but is accepted in Eritrea.
There is a church there in Ethiopia, sorry.
There is a church there of Christians that reveres this book, which is also very important.
But having said that, there is traces of the Book of Enoch, for example, and the Dead Sea Scrolls.
There is maybe some elements that can bring us to Jesus, but there is not There's a Gnostic teachings within the Dead Sea Scrolls.
It was people like Madame Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society who like to romanticize and mix these two things, you know, because they like this romantic idea of the essence, dressed in white, we're all Gnostic, and they were giving us the real teachings of Jesus.
It's all very Kind of mixed up, no?
So, in my book, I wanted to be very clear.
First of all, I wanted to explain how it all started, these Gnostic lies that started to pollute, let's say, Freemasonry.
Because in 1813, then, the ancients and the moderns, which we discussed before, came together under the Duke of Sussex and formed the United Grand Lodge of England.
So, not any longer two separate factions, but one faction that not only was open to Christian believers, but later on, within what will later become, of course, the British Empire was rising, and they had various faiths.
And so then you have the poetry of Kipling, which is actually dedicated to the fact you have these various holy books, the Koran, the Torah, the Christian Bible, all together in one block. all together in one block.
And so, you know, to bring together people of different tricity, different religions, you will accept them in your lodge still to this day, simply with the...
By saying, you believe in God?
Yes.
Okay.
That's fine.
As long as you believe in God, you're welcome in the lodge.
Now this though, created a lot of problems later on.
To this day, this creates a lot of problems.
That's why we find then the Satanist in the lodge.
Because yes, they say, I believe in God, but their God might be Satan or might be whatever, you know?
Lucifer, yeah.
They were capable of bringing here, for the first time in the Grand Lodge of California, initiates that took their oath on the Book of the Law of Alistair Crowley, which is a completely anti-Christian and antithetic book to the basic tenets, I think, of Freemasonry.
However, the confusion that these people have started, I think, with Adam Bechart, who started to push Gnosticism By saying that those were the real teachings of Christianity.
And then after that, because Rishabh died in 1830, Albert Pike came along.
Albert Pike was born in 1809, died in 1891.
And Albert Pike then embraced many Gnostic and heretical ideas about Jesus in his teachings for the Gnostic right.
Now, when I went and studied them, I also saw some inconsistencies in some of the, for example, of the teachings of Pike.
Like, for example, not only Mixing the saints with Gnosticism, but also mixing, for example, certain dates of certain figures, like the supposed father, Josh Benben, Josh Pantera, the supposed father of Jesus, who was actually a Roman soldier, all these kind of things, stories that
that have been around for a long time and that, in a way, Pike picked up and included within the teachings of the Scottish Rite.
Now, he also reformed the Scottish Rite.
He reformed the Scottish Rite and he reformed the Scottish Rite by changing the 18th degree.
To this day, his reform, for example, is not accepted by the northern jurisdiction of the ancient Tennessee Scottish Rite here in the United States of America.
It's accepted only by the southern jurisdiction, because within the 18th century, he completely eliminated the Jesus element, in a way.
I mean, he kind of made it possible to to reinterpret it in favor of something that gives birth to religious relativism.
I think that in the end all this Gnosticism It's popular because it pushes the idea in the end that man is God and that you are simply reflecting on this thing that man is God.
And so you, you know, you don't have to be submitted to any belief that is, you know, any dogma.
You have to be open.
Okay.
So, The Gnosticism though was dangerous for Christianity but it was dangerous also for Judaism and in fact Like I explain in my book, we have, of course, the Erev Rav, the multitude, which is mentioned going along with Moses in the desert, which of course was a part of... they were not Jews.
Part of the people who came out with Moses were actually the high priests, some high priests and some of Egypt.
Who are decided to embrace the teachings of Moses and to follow it.
Now these people were are said to be Even reincarnated by the Jewish rabbis, and they're very well known for their dangerous heresies that they push.
They were the ones who are indicated as responsible for the building of the Golden Calf when Moses went up there and then he came down from Mount Sinai and found these people there, you know, doing something they shouldn't have been doing.
The actual Gnosticism is said to also come from that kind of thing, but when it comes to Judaism, it kind of evolved to a point in which it gave birth to Sabbatean Frankism, the Sabbatei Zevi that we discussed in the past with Jacob Frank.
If we go and see the teachings of Sabbatean Frankism, we see all the specifics of Gnosticism present, even if it's a different approach because it's missing that Christian element.
But when you are actually studying Gnosticism, there is not really no Christian because you have this evil god Mm-hmm, right, who's a trapped man and withheld knowledge from him.
Yeah, and then you have these archons that are controlling, and so it's not the benevolent god Yahweh, it's Yehudah Baoth.
You have all these angels who instead are these archons who are controlling and oppressive of mankind.
And that's why in my book I needed to explain how antithetic to Christianity Gnosticism really is.
And so this knowledge that they claim is real Christianity is absolutely not real Christianity.
And in my book, I cited the actual teachings of Reyshaft within the degrees of the Illuminati order.
For the first time you can actually see them, as well as you can see the teachings of Albert Pike and the inconsistencies in their teaching, as well as also the teachings of John Yarker, John Yarker might not be as known as Adam Bechart of Albert Pike, but he's very influential for the very foundation of the OTO and to this day,
The OTO says that it's important to study the arcane schools.
That is one of the important books, the main book that John Yarke wrote, and that includes in some way the core belief of French masonry.
What is French masonry?
Well, Albert Pike and John Jarkat didn't really get along because, you know, they were two different Masonic factions here at work, you know, and so everybody was pushing their own thing.
But I can say that in the end, we find that all these people were pushing simply a lot of lies about Jesus following that tradition that started with the first early Gnostic.
To go back to your very early question about what is the difference about neo-Gnostics and ancient Gnostics, the difference is that apart from the Mandeans, the modern Gnostics come from this revelation of 1888 by Jules Doniel, who in a spiritist session with other members of the Theosophical Society, aristocrats, and various French Illuminati,
communicated with the Albigians and the Cators.
Now, the Albigians and the Cators are basically Gnostic heretics that were present during Medieval times, that got persecuted by Catharism, which was a Christian dualist Gnostic movement, That basically was able to spread between the 12th to the 14th century in Southern Europe, particularly Northern Italy and Southern France.
At one point the Catholic Church of course had to eliminate them.
Some of these Adherents were the Albigians, also, to this movement, because they came from the French city of Albi.
And the movement was greatly influenced also by another faction called the Bogomils.
And so the Gnostics, the Derevesi, didn't really die When the Fathers of the Church started to hammer them down with, you know, like Irenaeus or other Fathers of the Church started to really write these big books, you know, against them and nail them down.
Then there was, of course, the Council of Nicaea.
There were various other councils which defined the Christian faith as we know it today.
This happened between the fourth to the sixth century after Christ.
So there was the definition of what, and then the main faction, one, the faction that we now know within Christianity, which basically developed in Catholicism and the Orthodox faith.
Then later on, of course, in Protestantism.
But when Protestantism came along, they never put into discussions Apart from maybe reformulating the King James Bible, and people say, Leo, what do you think of the King James Bible as a Catholic?
And I just tell them, well, my ancestor was the mentor of King James.
You go and study, you find on Wikipedia, Young is called.
That was my ancestor.
So he was actually the mentor of King James who did the whole reform.
But however, They never put into discussion certain things and they never really re-embraced in any way the Gnostic lies or heresies.
If not subtly with the Rosicrucianism and then later on when Freemasonry started to become more and more Gnostic.
And it became more and more gnostic when these various rites popped around, you know, the rite that became after the Ancient and Ancestral Scottish Rite, the various rites that developed And especially in the 18th century, there was a bunch of Masonic rites.
And they were all trying to push these Gnostic teachings on people.
And people don't really know that, but in today's culture, A lot of what we see from Hollywood, a lot of what we see in, you know, I also wrote Volume 8 and I talked about the music business, the cinema and all the influence of the Illuminati.
Yes.
Now, a lot of what we have is actually influenced by the Gnosticism, but people don't really realize that.
All the heresies that the Illuminati are pushing.
And plus another thing, people don't understand the importance of the Gnostics, but they realize the importance of the Gnostics immediately after they joined the Illuminati, for example, and the O.T.O., they have to after join the Ecclesia Gnostica Cattolica.
Or, for example, in other groups of Illuminati, there is international Gnostic Illuminati groups, and every single Illuminati group refers to Gnostics, because the Gnostics were also, and are also, and that's why they were deemed very important by Adam Bateshop, the place where they formalized Communism.
Where they formalized what?
Communism.
was, came into existence thanks to the early Gnostics, who experimented this, in a way, we can say that for that reason, they also, the Neo-Gnostics, like very much the idea of the essence, because everything was shared and in communion and everything else.
But in reality, yes, the communist ideals are pushed along with Gnosticism from Adam Beischap, and Adam Beischap was very active when they were the beginning of all these Masonic rites that then met with the Illuminati in the 1780s in Wilhelmsbad in Germany.
There was this convent, Masonic convent, that was I think 1782, And then we have other important events that went on in the 1780s.
It was, of course, a very important time.
We just had the American Revolution.
We have, of course, the French Revolution.
We have events that created and changed the history of mankind.
Right, and Adam Feisha formulated the Illuminati in 1776 also, right?
In May?
Yes, absolutely, and of course the idea to eventually adopt a republic rather than a monarchy can be ascribed to the Illuminati to a certain extent, though We know also that the choice was made maybe for other reasons, but one of the main reasons was that the Illuminati were trying to destroy every single monarchy connected also with the religion.
Now, this wasn't the intention, of course, of the founding fathers of the United States, who were very much also believers and who had Not such a positive idea regarding the Illuminati in general.
Though, I mean, we can say that maybe some idea can pop back and that we also see that Thomas Jefferson, for example, had some very specific and particular ideas later on when it comes down to Jesus.
But I would say that, in general, the Gnostics of the origins were capable of maybe transmitting some of their heresies that were, of course, fought very much by the mainstream church.
And then, in the end, they resurfaced with the Cathars and the Albigens.
And then, though, they were completely wiped off the face of the map.
Some say some of their teachings were kept.
To a certain extent by the Night Stampers, though that is always a matter of discussion, because there was always a faction of the Night Stampers who believed in traditional Orthodox Christianity, and the other faction that was a little bit more inclined in this kind of heresies.
And we know that was the case.
And in fact, I think one of the books that mostly shows that, even if it's a fictional book that was made to film, was In the Name of the Rose.
No, you have Sean Connery.
No, you have the former Templar going to a place in which certain ideas were spreading, where these ideas were coming, and what kind of books were spreading this kind of idea.
Now, in that case, it wasn't the Gnostics.
I think it was more to do with The fact that it was more connected with the ancient Greek philosophy that at the time, though, tended to be integrated.
Platonism, Pythagoreans were almost at times integrated with the Gnostic ideals, often.
Yeah.
Pagan and mystery schools.
The mystery schools of Greece often came from Alexandria of Egypt.
They kind of, Pythagoras was initiated there really to then retransmit his teachings.
Then later on, of course, he will have found some elements also there, no?
And we know that Alexandria of Egypt was a great depository of this ancient knowledge.
And for that reason, maybe The archives and the mythical library was destroyed over and over again until it was completely wiped off the face of the map.
But when it comes down to the modern Gnostics, The modern Gnostic came together because of a spiritist science.
At that time, from the 1850s with the Fox sisters, you had spiritism, very popular.
It became like, you know, 1847.
You have Spiritism.
A hundred years later, you have Roswell.
I mean, you have, of course, always turning points in history.
I would say that these are connected though, both Spiritism and Ufology.
And so in my book, I try to explain how there is this science through this mediumship of this Jules Doniel.
Then he establishes in 1888, after the spiritism, the science that he gets from the Albigens and the caters of this, he then says, okay, I'm now capable of establishing the new Gnostic Church.
And at the same time, I'm capable of bestowing an apostolic lineage, which is valid because it's been transferred to me by the caters and the Albigens who were the last surviving Gnostics.
Even if that was made for an act of mediumship.
Now, as a traditional Christian, you know that an act of mediumship is a diabolical act, that you have demons involved with it.
So, I mean, that is already something that gives you an idea.
And then after you have the The fact that he starts to give this lineage, not to anybody, but to the heads of the Illuminati in France at the time, the occultists, people like Gerard Denkhoos, Papus, Sidi, many of these very important occultists of the time got this apostolic Gnostic lineage.
And then it starts the whole thing of the so-called Wandering Bishops and this Gnostic Church that becomes, though, very important when the actual Gnostic Church is almost included in the Memphis and Masaryk Right.
Amongst all the degrees, because we know that the ancient and accepted Scottish Rite goes to 33 degrees, while instead the ancient and primitive Rite of Memphis and Misery goes up to 99, even 100.
And in all these teachings, there's also a part that includes the Gnostic teachings and includes also the Gnostic apostolic lineage.
So within those lodges, they started to bestow titles and stuff.
And then there was groups that there was a Masonic spiritualist conference that took place in Paris in 1908.
And at that point there was present the co-founder of the O.T.O., Theodore Royce, Arnold Krumherr, Heller, many different Illuminati were present for this event.
And those Illuminati exchanged Uh, titles, degrees and apostolic successions.
And, and, and because then what happened later on, they were rather creative, these masons who were, who started to improvise themselves as bishops and, and, and, and, you know, claiming they had some kind to make it more like, I explained this in volume three of my confessions to make it the more credible.
They started to pick up other kind of apostolic successions that actually were more close to the truth.
Now, for people who don't know what is an apostolic succession, I would like to just synthesize it so people Okay this episode is basically from Jesus to Peter to everybody else after you know you have the Pope now but the Pope has received his lineage maybe from in fact if we go and see Pope Francis we know that there is actually a very Not so good source amongst his apostolic succession.
We actually find somebody who was involved with the Gnostic and that.
So, I mean, we find some heresy within his, and that kind of like, like I explained him in Pope Francis, the last Pope, which is one of my books dedicated to this subject of Pope Francis.
I explained how he corrupted his own, because the apostolic succession is the transmission said to be from the time of Jesus to you.
So you can become a priest, you can become somebody who represents the clergy.
You have basically an official title.
And we know, for example, what happened when there was, not so long ago, with Lefebvre in the Catholic Church, there were some problems.
Lefebvre was somebody who didn't believe in the Second Vatican Council, and then he started to bestow his own lineage You know, being a bishop of the Catholic Church, you can then create other bishops.
As a cardinal, you can create others.
So then it became very confused because then there is bishops now, for example, that are Catholics from the Lefebvrians, they're known, that were then not recognized by the Pope, but then recognized by Ratzinger.
And then Francis arrived after and didn't want to recognize them anymore.
So The subject of apostolic succession is a very important subject, but the Illuminati wanted somehow to have their own apostolic succession.
And so, with the arrival of Giulio Doniello, with the arrival of this new Gnostic church that came out of France, Well, nowadays we can say that a lot of these groups somehow are connected to the Gnostic Church.
Even, like I said, Alistair Crowley's church is connected to the Gnostic Church of Jules Daunier.
Wow.
And all these churches, the one that is today, these days, I don't know if he's still alive, but Stefan Heller used to be the head of this very influential Gnostic church here in Los Angeles, and he had representatives also in Europe and around the world.
I was for a For a period, many, many years ago, when I was younger, representative of his church in New York, I was involved with his church in Oslo, and I was actually then bestowed myself agnostic.
I actually celebrated even mass myself in one of these Fraternitas Rosa Cruciana Antigua lodges because I was bestowed a title of bishop by one of these wandering bishops of the Freemasonry and involved in this Masonic rites and in this group in particular, which was the Fraternitas Rosa Cruciana Antigua.
I have a direct experience, which I'm talking about.
It's not like, you know, my books are called confessions, not only because, you know, it's actually part essay, but part also my personal experience.
So I can confirm these things also by a personal experience.
Now, People like John Yerker, if you ask the average American, they will say, who is John Yerker?
They will not know who is John Yerker.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But his order of the sat by is at the foundation of the Bohemian Club of San Francisco.
So, I mean, you know, he's like... He's the what of the Bohemian Club?
Like I explain in my book, in Volume 9 of my Confession, John Yarker, he was, like we said, responsible for Memphis and Misery at one point.
Actually, he was in charge also as a deputy for Giuseppe Garibaldi, who used to be the guy who unified Italy and who became first Grand Master and then Grand Hierophant of the United Rights of Memphis and Misery.
But John Yarker was associated with a lot of French Masonic orders and rites inspired by the Illuminati, which preceded and influenced the establishment of the O.T.O., and one of them is known as the Sat Bahai.
The Sat Bahai was practiced, basically, in a lodge in Europe, which was connected to the Brethren of St.
John the Evangelist of Asia in Europe.
And this group founded by the cousin of Jacob Frank, by the way, Franz Thomas Helder von Schoenfeld, so it's all connected as you can see.
Yeah.
In this lodge, basically, and this is confirmed, it's not just a hypothesis, this is confirmed by a professor of the University of Ida who has made extensive research, he's a history professor known Very well known.
He's called Richard Brian Spence and he's quite a serious academic.
So everything you see in my books, as you know, is always academically tacked.
So what happened is this.
The Bohemian Club It was created, inspired by this lodge in Prague that founded, also was involved in the foundation of the Schala Raffia.
The Schala Raffia is a worldwide German-speaking fraternal society that behaves more or less like a bohemian club.
It has actually a thousand members here in the United States.
They're all German around the world.
They are around 12,500 members.
They've never been investigated, but they should be investigated because amongst them there is some of the people who were involved in the founding of the worst sides of Nazism, including the SS, Castle of Essenburg, and all kinds of things.
But in Prague, that used to be the Austrian Empire, this was a very important center, Prague, as you know, also for alchemy and so on.
In 1859, Disciples of Adam Beisha, using the symbol of the owl, which of course we know is used by the Illuminati, created this, with a pledge of friendship, art, and humor, something similar to the Bohemian Club, known as the Shala Rafia.
Now, the Shala Rafia has many similarities with the Bohemian Club.
And the Bohemian Club, it was said to be inspired by the Shia La Rafia, and very much connected with these ex-Nazis.
In fact, after the Second World War, in the Bohemian Grove, which is, as you know, the place where they meet every year, Right.
Three times a year.
There used to be a Nazi always going around with his Nazi jeep with symbols of Nazism and President Ford had to get angry with him and say, take out this jeep out of the Grove because, you know, and this was actually a worker at the Grove who was an ex-Nazi.
Wow.
There were ex-Nazis working at the Grove.
Nowadays, The Bohemian Grove, I think they're going in a court case again because they're so stingy, these people.
They first got in a court case with the club in San Francisco for not paying enough for their workers.
Now they're in a court case with their workers at the Bohemian Grove.
But having said that, in my book, you will find the links.
Between these Germans.
I'm not saying that all the Shalarafia members are Nazis, but the Shalarafia initiated Karl Maria Billigood, who was the guy who designed the ring for the SS.
And he was the one who convinced Harry Kimbler to Remodel Wessenburg and create the headquarters there for his SS.
So, I mean, they have quite a responsibility, I think.
However, this lodge in Prague was very influential because it inspired the Schala Raffia, but it inspired also the Bohemian Club.
And it has a direct connection to a Bohemian Club, which is, like I said, if you want, you can just go on Google, you put the name of Professor Spence, Richard Brian Spence, you put Bohemian Club, and you put Sat Bahai, for example.
And you will see that it's indicated as being at the origins of it.
And the sat-by was actually the right practice there in this lodge.
It was actually given by John Yarker.
So John Yarker had connections all over the world, not only... So you understand, John Yarker might not be famous for the average American, but then the average American was influenced by what happens at the Bohemian Club every year.
Right.
Fair enough.
I think that is very important that people read and study my book, so they can understand the real connections that are, you know, that they are amongst all these groups.
And also the lies that they have been spreading about Jesus and how And by the way, there is also a direct connection between Alistair Crowley and the Schaller Affair, because Alistair Crowley was very much connected with Germany.
He also worked for a magazine called Fatherland here in America and was connected with a bunch of people from the German Secret Service here, as well as in Europe with Theodor Reuss, who was his initiator in the OTO.
The espionage activities of Aleister Crowley were, in fact, very much the subject of a very interesting book by Spence, which is known as Secret Agent 666, which you can read, and it's very interesting.
You have to understand that people within the Illuminati share their membership with various esoteric groups.
Right.
So it's not just one group, which is typically what happens, like there's overlap.
Yeah.
So, you know, there was the Royal Order of Sica, these groups that kind of like intermingle with each other and exchange so-called secret knowledge.
So it's important to understand this, to have a more clear idea.
When it comes to To Adam Bechert, we know of course the influence that the Jesuits had in all this.
We know of course that Bechert was crucial, like I explained in Volume 7, also my confessions, for influencing what we have now with Davos and of course with the World Economic Forum.
In my latest book, Volume 9, I explain very much all the The work that, you know, how it's developing, what is your novel, Arari, and what Klaus Schwab are doing with transhumanism and their intention, and what are their real intentions and why it's developing in this way.
And in this book I also for the first time envio the threat of quantum computers as the quantum prince of darkness materialize and the cyber satan takes the ultimate stand once he has the power with the quantum computers to create finally the digital divide
That will put, finally, the elite in this new feudalism in which they have control of us through quantum computers that we can't purchase because they cost millions of dollars.
They have to be cooled with complex helium systems, cooling systems, and we will never be able to exceed them.
A quantum computer but a quantum computer will be able to exceed you, your cryptocurrency, your blockchains in a second and so a warning of course that my book also gives is immediately sell all your cryptocurrency because it's only a matter of time until the quantum computers will be able to hack every single blockchain in the world and have control of them.
So The end of the lie that the cryptocurrency and blockchain were impossible to ever be, no?
Right.
I always felt that way, that they were doing it kind of like a honeypot, to be able to bring people into it and then they would mine and consolidate.
Yeah.
Well, mine and consolidate, but then in the end, if you have Those billionaires with those quantum computers who can hack in every single system in the world.
Basically, those people will have a power, you know, like people like Elon Musk, people like who are billionaires will have these kind of computers and we'll be able to have an advantage on each one of us.
Right.
And that's why I explained that the original Gnostics than the ones that also in Alexandria transmitted the teaching of alchemy and from this book I show the document the documentation of the contemporary Illuminati that talk about how alchemy is now Transhumanism.
Freemasonry is now transhumanism.
With transhumanism, they are aiming to achieve what the people of the Renaissance wanted to achieve with the Philosopher's Stone, with the Elixir Vitae, with the possibility of extending their life indefinitely.
But at that time, they didn't have, of course, the technology.
Now they have Like I explain in my book and things like nanotechnology, mind transfer, computer upload of your whole thoughts on a virtual platform and so on.
And there is already some cases of the possibility of mind upload that might have already happened without us knowing for billionaires, people who are very rich, like for example Silvio Berlusconi.
Who recently died.
Former Italian Prime Minister, who also for many years, who is of course a billionaire because he owns of course various TV stations and so on, who died this year.
But before dying, something very suspicious happened that makes people think that maybe he actually did Uh, apply euthanasia on him because you need to euthanize yourself before you can upload your brain or while you upload your brain.
Okay.
So that is of course, something that they will never let anybody know because you know, it will also go against all the beliefs they've been spreading for years.
Oh, we are against euthanasia, we are Christian, we are this, we are that, we are against communism.
And then after you do exactly that.
So they, Secret teachings of the Illuminarian Jesus are important to understand how these Gnostics from 2000 years ago evolved with their rituals, with their things.
They arrived all the way to us, and now we are at the point in which we are about to witness the ultimate takeover.
Now, in 1920, And this is the last part of my book.
I don't know how much we have left now.
We have time.
We have time.
I do have one question before we get there, because I think it's kind of relevant.
So you talk about the Gnostic lies and, you know, of the Gnostics and how Vaishya, for instance, took elements of this.
Would you say that Gnostics inherently would be satanic or would you say they're atheists?
I feel like there's misconception around a lot of that.
Some people claim that, you know, a lot of the Gnostics were really atheists, they were just, their views were on counter to a traditional Judeo-Christian philosophy or, you know, theology, but that they're not necessarily believers in any kind of higher power.
What are your thoughts on that?
I think they're Satanists, and we can see it from the first Gnostic robot, which is Sophia, which was created in 2016.
It was given the name Wisdom Sophia, which is very dear to the Gnostics, because in Gnosticism, Sophia is actually a figure that comes and gives some wisdom to those.
To say that, I mean, my experience with the Gnostics has been of many years of actually having a direct, it's not only a theoretical experience of reading some books, I had direct experience with the Gnostics in various secret societies of the Illuminati I was involved with.
And like I said earlier, I was involved with the Gnostic Norwegian Church of Jan Sater.
Jan Sater was a very nice guy, to tell you the truth.
He was a Gnostic priest who was actually a painter, an artist.
He was the guy who painted the Masonic Grandmasters of Norway.
And he was always there trying to convince me about all the prerogatives and all the assertions and all the Gnostic ideology.
He wanted to convince me that I should believe and I should embrace Gnosticism.
I never did.
I never did.
He tried, but we had a nice intellectual confrontation.
He's now dead.
He died, I think, five years ago, not so long ago.
But in this intellectual confrontation that we had, I remember we spent a lot of time together, not only in the church where he celebrated mass every week, but also going to lunch, dinners, and so on.
From my understanding of the whole thing, there is definitely those Gnostics who have a New Age-y kind of...
I see that too.
Yeah.
Yes.
The view of the whole thing.
Like Satire, he was not a Satanist.
He didn't really embrace Satanism.
However, by being in that way, he actually, and by opening this Gnostic Center, after a little while, he started to welcome people.
And he himself, at the end, had to recognize this, and he actually distanced these people after a while, because it became dangerous for him too.
These people started to celebrate because he opened this Gnostic Center also to other Gnostic wandering bishops, priests, whatever.
I used to come there and celebrate and suddenly these people that were not like him, he was more like passionate for Buddhism, the connection that Gnosticism might have with Buddhism, this romanticized idea also that the essence with the Therapeutes somehow were close to Gnosticism, this romanticized idea also that the essence with the Therapeutes somehow were close to Gnosticism, but also to Buddhism and I mean, he wasn't a bad person, but Gnosticism, I don't think helped him living a long life.
I think he could still be amongst us if he, because the energy that he was absorbing, the people that were, I remember involved at the time with his church, they were not positive.
There were a lot of awkwardness bringing a lot of negative energies in the fold.
And, and so, And then when I met the Supreme Bishop of his church, which was Stephen Heller, who I think still has a church.
We went on fire, actually, a few years back here in Los Angeles.
Stephen Heller, then I understood what happened.
You know, he was here in the 70s, early 70s, the hippies, the thing, the spirituality, everybody was experiencing things.
And, you know, suddenly you have this guy like Stefan Heller from an old Austro-Hungarian family, very like this, coming with his Belivia, with his kind of German accent, you know, and being a high level mason and starting to manipulate the people who maybe were eager To have knowledge.
And gnosis means knowledge.
And so, that is the trap.
To lure them in.
You know?
And I think that was, a lot of people got lured in, but of course, then there is Gnostic factions that are openly more satanic, like Callista Crawley's Ecclesia Gnostica Catorica with a naked woman on the altar and everything is already a bit more ambiguous and a little bit more, but then you have, and then you have all the sexual magical part that goes with it.
Some Gnostic factions, 2000 years ago were practicing it.
Others didn't, you know?
So there were different kinds of Gnostic beliefs.
So Gnosticism is not really a unified kind of religion.
belief system.
You had those ones who were really indulging in sin, like then later on, of course, also the Sabbateans, because they thought that through sin they could redeem themselves and find the sparkle of light.
Virtue through sin, right.
Yeah.
And then you have, so Gnosticism is many things and is nothing at the same time.
There's also speculations, though, about Jesus and teachings that at times were like, for example, certain factions believe that Jesus was a magician, that he was actually practicing magic.
With the Gnosticism, he was teaching this magic.
And there is, for example, the Bruce Codex, which I talk about in Volume 9, Which gives this impression, this false impression that Jesus... It's ridiculous to think that Jesus could be practicing magic, because like I said, Jesus thinks, Jesus manifests.
He doesn't do any Hocus Pocus or any Harry Potter stuff.
Right.
Okay.
Just to make it very clear.
And so this is really Gnosticism, for me, It's a lot of things that can then, in a way, be crafted and molded by the interested party in its own way, to make you believe its own truth.
Right.
And what would you say about Weishaupt's version of narcissism and the original Illuminati?
That was very clear.
I mean, when I put together my book and I went through all the teachings that Bechap was giving about, because Bechap, a bit like Pike, and I think like most Freemasons, liked the fact that the early Gnostics were giving this teaching through initiations.
And these initiations in a way resembled At least Basia said that.
For example, the Masonic initiation.
So the coins, the profane people were kept out and they will receive this knowledge and this knowledge will be transmitted only to the few.
The initiated, yeah.
It's like, paradoxically, for the Illuminati, Jesus had prepared this kingdom only for them.
His race of priest-king, the most illuminated ones, not for us.
Right, right.
This is basic.
When you asked me about Adam Bajda, what he was teaching, he was teaching this.
He teach basically that the real teachings were only for the elite, for the elect.
Right, right, yeah.
And then my other question.
And they are preserved, and also the idea that they are preserving real Christianity by doing what they're doing.
By doing that, right, yeah.
So my other question before we get to the last section of the book, you keep referring to the Illuminati today, and what do you mean by that?
Because typically people think of the Illuminati as, you know, I know we have lots of offshoots, right?
It became the League of the Outlaws, the League of the Just, the Communist League, but what do you mean by today's Illuminati?
When I, for example, in chapter number one, I show this document on transhumanism by the contemporary Illuminati, I'm talking about the Academy of the Illuminati founded by Giuliani Bernardo in 2002 with the support of the Opus Dei, the Jesuits, And it's an ongoing reality.
Plus, people might not know it, but he has two orders.
He has this internal order, the Academy of the Illuminati, and he has the external order, the dignity, which is basically the one that gave the name to the revolution of dignity in Ukraine.
There is a whole part of the books that talks about the last two centuries of secret societies in Ukraine and how they evolved and how they manifested, which is also an important part of my book.
But of course, I will leave it to the readers.
Otherwise, you know, they will have nothing else to read.
But I mean, it's almost a 600 pages book that is very detailed.
Sure, so one more question about that that I think is very, very relevant.
I'm sure this is probably in the book.
I can't wait to read it.
Forgive me that I hadn't read it before.
I know they're doing this like UN100 and it's all focused on transhumanism.
They have like a global reformation for the AI world takeover, and they're talking about actually doing a lot of it in Ukraine, like making Ukraine the hub for it.
It's in these documents.
Are they, would you say that they are...
I have a chapter on that on my book.
Are they connected to this Illuminati or their overlap with members?
How does that all work?
Absolutely, they're all connected.
In step four, I explain also this whole project of this app for making Ukraine the first digital country in the world and why this is connected to them really having sold their soul to the devil.
But there is a more complicated Of course, it's much more complex.
You have to understand that the identity of Ukraine has been created artificially in the last two centuries, and it starts from the 1820s.
So I go through a number of secret societies that the Illuminati directly inspired.
In Europe, we had the so-called spring revolutions, and not something that, you know, we call spring revolution.
People remember the ones from 10 years ago from the Middle East.
No, spring revolutions were something that a reality that the Illuminati pushed in the 1840s all over Europe because they wanted to eliminate the monarchies, transform them in constitutional monarchies, or eliminate them completely.
That was the idea.
Eliminate also religion.
Ukraine is a land that is a borderland.
That's what the name of the whole means, you know.
And actually the name Ukraine surfaced only after this Spring of revolutions in Europe, because at that point they created the Supreme Ruthenian Council.
Ukraine was called Ruthenia.
That was the area in which Ukraine, modern Ukraine is.
And there is a number of secret societies that the Illuminati started from the 1820s.
And they constantly, the Russian Empire will eliminate them.
Because they were a nonsense and they were creating problems.
But the main problem was... and they were pushed by who?
By the Catholics in Poland?
And then, of course, there's also a religious reason for the Pope.
In a way, the Pope plays a very ambiguous role at the moment, but definitely he's no friend of orthodoxy.
Ukraine now is persecuting orthodoxy, basically, because most of the orthodoxy is still under the church in Moscow, so the Patriarchate of Moscow, and their tradition is Very much connected.
But at the same time, Ukraine is the birthplace of Madame Blavatsky.
She was born in Dnipro.
And then we have all kinds of, like I said, the history of Ukraine and how it was the actual Ukrainian identity was born, and how in the 1990s we have the Order of Santistan-Islau and the International Order of Santistan-Islau that becomes the Pan-Masonic Order that Vladimir, Volodymyr, sorry,
Zelensky becomes part of and is sponsored by George Soros and how this order crafts and molds modern Ukraine.
Because Ukraine, as we see the flag now and the symbol that suddenly pops up, That was actually a very recent creation from 1917 to 1922.
That was basically the time in which Ukraine was creating that flag and that whole thing, come from that period.
They were not there for hundreds of years or thousands of years.
They're nothing.
They've been Basically, by the time then 1922 came along and the Bolsheviks between 1920 and 1922 took over both the factions that were in Ukraine, because Ukraine was divided in two factions also,
And then, of course, the Soviet Republic was created, and at that point Ukraine was abandoned as a concept with the flag and all the rest, because then it became simply part of the founding republics of the Soviet Union.
But that experience that we see was crafted by a specific secret society, the Malorussian Brotherhood and all the other secret societies.
Well, you have to go to the book because it's a very extensive research into it.
But it's the first time to my knowledge that anybody's bringing up finally this knowledge, which is all confirmed with all the documentation and just telling you, this is how it is.
Then, you know, In the 1990s, Freemasonry was reawakened in Ukraine and I have even the videos, the documents of Giuliano Di Bernardo went to Ukraine.
I have the video.
He took, he reawakened Freemasonry there.
They did a mass initiation.
So I have the video of Moldova and Ukraine.
If you want, I can send you the video and you can see the guy is raising all the future elite of Ukraine in Odessa.
That's why Odessa is never attacked.
Even Russia doesn't attack it because this is a Masonic city.
Wow, yeah, definitely send me that video.
Yeah, and then I guess you can tell me a little bit about how this ties to transhumanism.
Just so we, you know, we go to the end of the book, of course, the chapters are dedicated to this new golden age of the AI and also how The latest revelations about the UFO reverse engineering that we have seen, how this year, this whole disclosure project was planned from the beginning of this year, because it's of course planned, you know, and presented to the public in a certain way.
Now, over a hundred years ago, in 1920, a German movie called Algol, the Tragedy of Power, it was a movie Algol.
Now, Algol gave birth later.
It was about this alien bestows upon him a prototype of device to the human that he can then use for unlimited energy.
Now, Algol became Algorithm.
Okay.
And, uh, In the 1950s, like I already said in Volume 7, and I this time expanded in Volume 9, after Roswell, a number of technicians were given the AI knowledge.
to develop.
And now we are basically working, as we are doing even ourselves now, on technology, which is basically Trojan horse from the alien invaders.
So we are trapped already by this technology that we are building around us, increasingly relying on the AI, which is actually, it's an alien creation.
It's an alien creation and it's an alien trap.
And this is not only, you know, like I'm the one who is saying it.
In my book, I explain how before the recent, you know, David Grush revelations of reverse engineering and the Congress coming with all this commission, the whole interest on the UFO.
In reality, in early June, There was a guy who is mentioned in Volume 1 of my confession.
He's an academic who is very influential and who is part of the academic world.
It's called Martin Rees.
And him with an Italian scientist, they had actually published a paper on how You should find the aliens within the AI.
I mean, like, you are searching for the aliens, you know, around, but in reality, you already have them in your pocket.
You have them in your phone.
Wow.
And what does he mean by that?
Because alien, I think, can be interpreted in many different ways, right?
Well, in this case, I mean, like, you know, we are talking here about interpreting what I think what we are seeing here is the academic world.
Even you all know, Ari, recently, in a recent interview, talked about the aliens and the AI.
He does, yeah, I know.
And he does it increasingly, no?
So I think that it is obvious that they are trying to hint on something, which is a reality.
I mean, here we are talking about a world that has transformed basically.
We were, you know, coming from agriculture, We developed through the industrial age and we are now in front of something which is completely new but in my book I explain how
The beginning of this whole change started really a long time before, when we were probably some 60,000 years ago, with the Cro-Magnon men appeared, this advanced type of men who started to practice what is now known as sorcery.
And that sorcery really never left us, that sorcery that in a way has has brought us gradually to think we are always God and who has constantly been a threat for many civilizations who have ended.
You know, we talk about the mythical civilization of Atlantis, but we all have within our common background, even in the Bible, the flood, Noah's flood, for example.
The fact that divine retribution is a reality.
And I think that this scientific priesthood that is coming together, if you want to call it like this, which is really a bit on the line Who is the guy who first envisioned a scientific priest?
It was actually Francis Bacon with the New Atlantis.
He actually envisioned the first institutions that could bring incredible innovations in a way He also inspired what became the Royal Society.
That also was a tremendous inspiration also for Freemasonry.
So I think that when it comes down to the To the concept, the alien concept of the AI.
The concept is the following.
Just like this film, which I just cited, this German film from 1920, which is, you know, German films from the 1920s contain a lot of truth.
I see it with Faust, Mourneau.
I see it with Metropolis.
Yeah.
Neorealism.
German neorealism really brought us some of the most prophetic movies ever made.
Interesting.
And so that's why, you know, you remember in volume 6.66, I have the cover of my book, I put the image which is from Metropolis with this robot.
And this book was the first one which I dedicated to the age of cyberspace, artificial intelligence and robotics.
But now, of course, I'm going further in my research and I'm exposing also further what they are planning for us and how we are really being fooled by this alien.
It's obvious that if we think about the superior technology that reaches here, in this part of You know, of the universe.
They definitely have AI and they definitely have already gone through the AI revolution that we are still starting only now.
They are probably thousands of years ahead in that revolution.
So imagine how evolved is their whole concept.
And if they had to, as we, you know, as David Grusha said, regarding this whole reverse engineering, he's also talking about multidimensional creatures.
He's talking about the multidimensionality of these spacecrafts.
If you have mastered, now there is a lot of talk amongst the UFO world of people that say, oh, are they multidimensional or are they extraterrestrial?
Well, idiots, if you have achieved the multidimensional technology, then you can travel all across the universe because even By knowing what we know now, which is very limited compared to a civilization which is thousands of years ahead of us, we know that, for example, a black hole might exceed us, make us succeed to something which is bringing us into another dimension.
We know that, for example, if you go into an interdimensional tunnel, you can maybe go from one side to the other of the universe in a much shorter space of time.
So I think that It's very important to understand that you can't compartmentalize and say, oh, but they are extraterrestrial or they are multidimensional.
I think people are really demented, you know.
Oh, demons.
No, they're just, they're just from this plane of existence.
We have them still here on earth.
Okay.
The demons are fallen angels.
They're fallen because they've fallen from somewhere because they've been casted out of the heavens, no?
So of course they've been casted out of the heavens.
But at the same time, when we are talking about this multi-dimensional demons, the fact that they can travel around, it shouldn't be, You know, a problem to recognize that.
So I think that we are ruled by a lot of preconceptions and a lot of ignorance in any case.
So when it comes down to the AI and the robotics, it's evolving.
It's a fast evolving thing.
Yeah.
That people need to understand that it's not really Something that is evolving naturally.
There is a dark force behind it that is kind of setting things into place.
What do you think we can do?
Because a lot of this is, you know, the AI is here.
I mean, it's not like something we can't put the genie back in the bottle, right?
We definitely have this technology.
It is here.
A lot of people are using it.
And this whole agenda obviously seems to be moving forward at what feels like a rapid pace.
Obviously, you've outlined that it's not nearly as fast as we'd like to, as it appears on the face of it.
There is though a reoccurring data that seems to be like, you know, for this new Atlantean age.
Yeah.
You know, it's like, because let's remember that these people always, the Davos people always have this idea of the philosopher kings of ancient Atlantis, which, you know, ancient Atlantis was really well ruled under a god Poseidon.
That was benevolent to them until they respected the rules and they started to indulge in what we can say is sorcery or black magic or something demented because at that point they were published.
So the dawning of the new golden age that they are presenting us in this book is also connected to the rise of the Antichrist.
The rise of the Antichrist for the Theosophical Society is a figure that resembles Apollo.
Apollo is the god of the locusts.
So, you have also this other interesting connection here, because we are forced then into eating insects, and insects that are, since the dawn of time, always connected to demonic activities.
They were portrayed as demons in the past, so why should we be eating them now?
That is really what they're trying to do is to really make us what we eat.
And they started with fast food that is obviously garbage and we transformed each other, you know, and transform our thoughts in garbage.
And the same can be said with insects that transform us literally in insects.
In front of the elite that sees itself like the big deities of today, because they are in charge of our lives.
They know better.
When you know how Larry talks, he says he knows better.
He can decide for us.
Let him decide.
And that is also the other thing.
They seem to, you know, Plato talked about a benevolent dictator, you know, Well, monarchy, because Plato was, at the end of the day, a guy who believed in monarchy.
But he also believed in the idea that when you arrive at the stage of being a monarch, or being in charge of things, then you should Not have anything anymore and be happy.
That is the only time, not for the masses, but for the guy who is in charge of the White House.
He should be happy and owning nothing.
Instead, it's the contrary.
We bring a guy at the White House like Joe Biden, he makes his whole family eat He basically is a corrupt individual, like most of the politicians that we bring today in Washington, D.C.
The problem is that there are no philosophers, kings, these people.
There are no sages.
They are just the people that see the opportunity, see the opportunity and also have a very short time span for their actions and they want to grab everything they can in that short time span.
Nope.
Yeah.
And it's sad because instead, you see, the concept of a monarch is that he holds the power for all his lifetime, pass it on to his son and so on in a way that it can never be corrupted because you can't corrupt a monarch.
In theory, you can corrupt a president, a prime minister.
You can never corrupt a monarch because he owns everything.
The land, his image.
Like Prince Charles, for example, was corruptible and he was corrupted.
But King Charles is not corrupted and he's not corruptible.
Because the moment in which you have your face on the stamps, on the thing, you own the country.
What can you give me?
I'm the king.
If I'm the king of a country, what can you offer me?
Sorry.
Nothing.
Right.
So this is a big problem now because now we are facing a big enemy, which is communism.
Do you think that you think a monarch can't have a, you know, greed or be... Unfortunately it happened after they were corrupted and the Illuminati were actually the ones who led to a lot of this corruption happening and that's why they then were wiped out with the revolutions like in Russia for example, the Tsar and his whole family or all the others because in the end now the only form of monarchy that is not
Let's say, okay, you have some constitutional monarchies in Europe, but they are constitutional, and the monarchies, like in Spain, it doesn't really have anything.
Well, instead, the only one that still has a say is the British monarch, because they were the ones that kind of worked along with the Illuminati and were spared along this.
But in theory, The monarch shouldn't be corruptible.
And the problem now, like I said, is that we're facing communism.
We are facing communism and we're facing dictators who have a lifespan of possibilities.
Xi Jinping is there for a lifetime.
Vladimir Putin is there for a lifetime.
The dictator of North Korea is there for a lifetime.
If here we are every four years discussing whatever, we are losing and we will be losing the whole thing.
The republic on which we stand can only be saved by a monarch.
That monarch, of course, has to come for us because Jesus is the Messiah.
But that is a monarch.
And that is a big thing, the big limitation of our society here in America, because the understanding we put, in God we trust, but then what if God shows up tomorrow morning with his son and he tells you, this is a monarchy and you have nothing anymore to tell me, and I will never even listen to you.
That will put us in a position that For me, it's understandable because I come from Europe, I come from a monarchic tradition.
But for Americans, it's a very difficult thing to understand.
Very, yeah.
No, Americans can't fathom it.
I think also most Americans only have the notion of a monarchical dictatorship, where it's not a benevolent monarchy.
Yeah, that's a lot of what we know, and it's a lot of what Because it was also pushed in that way when at the founding of the Republic you wanted to also detach from all those monarchies that were already corrupted by 1776.
Yes, very much so.
When we say 1776 is the foundation of the Illuminati, it's the foundation of one of the most known aspects of the Illuminati, but they existed from time immemorial in various disguises.
So the moment in which they surfaced with Béchard, they were popularized mostly because, for the first time, they made themselves not only an initiatic secret society based on some mystery school of old and some ancient beliefs, but it was based on facts like infiltrating, manipulating, and controlling power.
And Bayshafter was building something for For ultimately wanting to control governments, not just to have the betterment of mankind.
In fact, a lot of Freemasons didn't really want Bishop to expand his ideas.
And even George Washington watched them with a little bit of, you know.
Yeah, he warned, he was warning the public of the infiltration of the Illuminati into the Masonry.
So he was, you know, he was warning, but those warnings, Didn't, you know, and nowadays you have Mason's or we have nothing to do with the Illuminati.
I hear that all the time.
Great.
But then.
When you go into the whole of Freemasonry at the international level, where you are dealing with the Grandmasters, the Sovereign Commanders of the Ancient Ancestors College, and all that, then when you go into all those workings and you see a lot of things, well, and you know certain secrets, then you know that that is a lie.
That is a lie that is simply built so the average Joe can go and smoke a cigar in his lodge on a Saturday and then say, oh, to his wife, she can join the whatever Eastern Star and they can all be happy and everything is fine because the sheriff is a Mason, the guy at the bank is a Mason, the doctor is a Mason, and we all live in a lucky and happy family.
Well, let me tell you that a happy family in 2023 is not so happy and that our civilization is crumbling down also because of the idiocy of a lot of Freemasons today who are not free anymore.
If you start talking like me, as a Freemason, you get kicked out of your lodge.
You get immediately free.
Masons were free to actually talk three centuries ago at the time in which there was confrontations, big revolutions.
They were bringing up their own ideas into the lodge, their own, and they were flourishing.
Maybe if they were interesting or, or nowadays it's all about.
One-world ideology, and the whole of Freemasonry is basically in the hands of progressive forces.
And even in the 1870s, Freemasonry detached.
There was a schism between the Grand Orient of France and the United Kingdom, and this formed the liberal Freemasonry and more traditional Freemasonry.
Nowadays, Those forces are coming back together.
I see conservative Freemasons from Texas going to France, bowing down in the Grand Orient of France because, oh, well, they have a long tradition.
I like to see their books.
I want to teach.
I want to do.
I want to do.
And a grand archivist of Washington, the guy Arturo de Hoyos, who is the present archivist in Washington, He goes to Europe and all these people don't really understand that this kind of Freemasonry that is now only window Masonry, because it's only about appearances rather than doing something, is actually creating a big problem.
We are in front, then, of people who have created groups like the Bilderberg Club, the World Economic Forum, the Club of Rome, that are spin-offs, think tanks, born within the Masonic environment, and are now, of course, really working to control us more and more.
So I hope that with today's show, we have maybe awakened a lot of people to this reality.
I hope so too.
So with closing, what do you say to people?
What kind of advice would you give them to give us some hope to derail some of these plants?
What do you say?
If we go back 2,000 years ago and we go back to what Jesus and his disciples were teaching, you know, Jesus taught his disciples and the disciples in turn taught great things to us through the Gospels.
And we know that ultimately it was definitely the Book of Revelation, the one that reveals us more than anything else, the future of mankind.
And so between here and 2030, which is always this reoccurring date within the UN, within Davos, with all the groups.
Now they're saying 2045 is like the big AI global reformation.
But 2030 is the year in which already the AI is taking over.
Then, you know, between 2030 and 2035, you will have basically the decline of the political figure.
Politicians will start declining in numbers until at the end an AI will come up to you and say, do you need these useless creatures to go and waste your money?
No, no.
Let's leave them home.
And that will be the end.
That will be the end because then they can, with the Supreme Council of Quantum Computers, control the whole planet.
And people will not be able to oppose all this if not by doing what I Envision in my latest book, and also in Volume 7, which is a great reject of all this, going off the grid, renouncing to even visiting a city of the future, because they're all smart cities at that point, so they have all their own rules and regulations which we will not be able to apply if we want to continue being Christians.
If you want to then comply, comply.
But that compliance has already shown That there is unfortunately a lot of people that will be led astray for the Mark of the Beast.
So this is what we have to do.
Continue with our faith.
Continue with our plans to build a society with our values.
I think wasting our time into convincing the 90% of the population which is going to be led astray to change their mind is a waste of time.
We don't have much time.
So it's much more important to decide from 2024 where America wants to go.
If America wants to be a United States or wants to be a separate state of America.
And those separate states of America who want to choose a different way of life then will have to do it at their own cost.
They will have to, of course, take their own responsibility for what they're doing.
But they will, of course, I think, have the blessings of God while those states who will choose the other option and become smart, well, they will probably end up in hell.
It's of course, you know, they will show us wonders.
They will tell us that, you know, if you embrace their own way of life, you will get everything possible and imaginable.
But, you know, I personally will not be convinced ever.
I mean, if you end up believing and then believing that Ukraine can be the digital nation of the future and that all our money has to go to Ukraine, that maybe it's not going to even exist physically.
Because that's really where all this is heading.
Ukraine will exist in an app.
All the money that we have wasted for this war would send us bankrupt and would crack our civilization and would send us to relive some of the worst moments.
So I think that we have to pray that in 2024, maybe we get somebody a bit more responsible in the White House.
And that is only one name for me, and that is Donald J. Trump.
Yeah, I think Donald J. Trump has a lot to account for, but yeah, I think at least we can hope that perhaps he'll stand as a bulwark against some of these plans.
There is no... Of course, politicians are limited in what they can do, because in the next few years... Well, they should be limited anyway.
I mean, that's how the Constitution was constructed, but... Yeah, but they will be probably limited even by the situation that will arise, and so we will be Viewing also our representatives with less and less power of representation while this whole AI dictatorship arises.
Until at one point it would be obvious that our representatives basically, they're not going to be representing anything anymore.
So at that point you say, sorry, what are you doing?
Either you go and fight the AI, but at that point, that's why this coming month, in one month from now, there is a film in Hollywood that is coming out, which is addressing this.
It's called The Creator.
And The Creator is about the first war between man and AI.
And I think that it's very interesting how amongst this sudden, you know, I talked about the AI in Hollywood in Volume 8 of my confessions before the start of this strike, which is still ongoing, but Still, in this ongoing strike, the only film that 20th Century Fox is really bringing out is The Creator.
And this film needs to be watched because it's really a projection of something bad that is about to happen on mankind.
So beware.
Okay.
Yeah, I just saw The Landscape with Invisible Hand.
Have you seen that?
No.
Oh, I think it was definitely some sort of predictive programming and it was incredibly dystopian.
The predictive programming, as we always said, is of course continuing and I think that in the case of the Creator, it shows us that we are in front of a choice and at one point there will be a war that starts.
Because, you see, when half of the population will start to become a transhumanist, a cyborg, half-man, half-robots, and the whole thing will bring us far and far, more far away from God, because we are beaten in the reflection of God and suddenly we are pushed more And it also induces the whole Gnostic concept, right?
Because the transhuman, they become little gods, right?
That's what we keep hearing from Duval Noah Harari.
He doesn't use that terminology.
It's not only... I of course mentioned Yolanda Valerari but I also mentioned another player which is not known to the majority of people which is this Dr Nicola Slaus and I think you need to check this this name and also chapter one of my confessions to understand really what the Illuminati are saying currently.
And I'm not talking about the Illuminati, I'm talking about the Illuminati.
They exist, yes, they exist.
I mean, people are, "Oh, they don't exist, they were eliminated." Of course they changed names in the 1790s, when they were in 1780s, they started a process because they were persecuted, so they had to change names.
But now they represented themselves with the original name in 2002 because they couldn't give a damn.
Even in Monte Carlo in 1999, we already reshaped the name under Illuminati banner.
So it's like nowadays that people, you know, say, okay, But no, it's not okay.
We are in front of a turning point in history.
So I hope that God will watch upon us.
The ones who believe, the ones who don't want to join this demonic reality will be spared.
And I will never comply and never microchip or put anything external in my body, but probably a lot of people will to their own It's their own choice.
We have free will.
But if you want to go to hell, the road is there.
The gates are wide open.
Absolutely.
Well, I hope at least with the information that people will, you know, be informed to make choices and stand their ground, not complying.
This book, as I said, can be read without reading the other books.
It's seven chapters.
is receiving brilliant reviews.
And it's a book that also shows us, and here is also the insects now that they want to feed us.
But this cover, some Christians might be scared about the cover, but the reality that we are facing is very scary.
So in this cover, there is all the elements that are discussed in the book.
And so you have the gnostics, you have, of course, Jesus, you have cyber Satan, and you have all the elements of this Faustinian pact that these people have signed.
And so thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to promote it today.
Yeah, thank you so much.
And I can't wait to read it.
And we will definitely be in touch soon.
And yeah, thank you for everything you're doing.
I mean, I'm just, yeah, I'm so grateful that you put all this information out and that you're willing to send... Thank you both.
Read the book and then maybe, you know, in the future, after you read the book, if you want to ask me some questions, I'm always here for you.
I would love that.
Yeah, because this is all stuff that I'm so fascinated by.
And yeah, I'm sure I'm going to have tons of questions.
So I'm so grateful.
Thank you.
No problem.
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