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Aug. 4, 2023 - The Leo Zagami Show

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THE DIGITAL GULAG, INSECT WITCHCRAFT, UFO DISCLOSURES, AND MORE !

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	Leo Zagami is an ex-Illuminati member who has been exposing the globalists, the Illuminati, the Freemasons and various secret societies for years now, having experienced attempts on his very life for the dangerous but very true information that he brings having experienced attempts on his very life for the dangerous but good.
	He joins us today for an in-depth discussion on the transhumanist agenda from the perspective of secret societies and the Satanists that are ultimately controlling the world that we live in, as well as their ultimate goal, cyber-Satan.
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	We're joined today by our good friend Leo Zagami.
	He's been on this broadcast many times before, and as we watch the events develop over the world, well, the timing's fantastic to talk about Leo's new book.
	Zagami's Confessions of an Illuminati Vol.
	9 is finally out, Seven Steps to the Secret of the New World Disorder, From Transhumanism and Immortality to Gnostic Jesus, UFOs and Insect Witchcraft.
	Leo Zagami, thank you so much for joining us today.
	Always a pleasure to be with my favourite housey Australian journalist.
	Real journalism, not that fake journalism you get with the 60 Minutes.
	Absolutely.
	Well, it's an honour to have you here again, Leo.
	It's been quite some time.
	I'm really excited to discuss some of the things within your book.
	I'm sure that there's a lot in the context of what is happening.
	With the New World Order, the progression, the various steps that we're seeing around the world, how long was your latest body of work in the making?
	Well, I mean, it's like, I had this idea for a while, but the concept is to unveil what is happening today in a way that is different because it kind of makes you aware, it makes you go to another step.
	It's like seven steps.
	This is the concept, a little bit like Jacob's ladder in the Bible.
	And the Freemasons know a lot about this allegory, but it's also seven steps, not really going upwards towards heaven, but it's rather descending towards hell.
	And at the same time, explain really things that have never been explained At least to my knowledge by any other researcher.
	So for the first time, for example, in chapter one, I unveil this document that belongs to real Illuminati.
	I mean, there is actually in my book documents, photos, names, surnames of the people involved.
	And what really they are proposing for transhumanism, what's their idea for transhumanism?
	And I did that with this document published by a guy called Dr. Laos, who is in charge of the Illuminati in Greece and who has been appointed by Giuliano Di Bernardo, who is the Grand Master of the Illuminati Academy in Rome, who is the former Grand Master of the Grand Orient of Italy.
	So this is basically the first step.
	It's about making people understand the governance of cyber-satan, how it's unfolding, and also how they view themselves as the philosopher kings that Plato used to talk about when he used to talk also
	Then further on, he talked in his work, The Critias, about, of course, the Atlantis and what Atlantis represented, and this Golden Age, because the plan here is to use the AI and quantum computers who basically reach what they define as a golden age, which is a golden age maybe for them, but for us it's a digital gulag.
	So in my first step, I go in a very detailed explanation, thanks to this document that is presented to my audience, to my readers.
	And then, of course, make understand the connections with communism, because there is a real connection here.
	Here we have a Luminati Grand Master who is also involved with the Egyptian Rites of Freemasonry, who has written a new rite in which he even features Karl Marx.
	I mean, literally, in the Lodge of Freemasons, I mean, I've been a Freemason many years myself, I never saw anything like it.
	But it's interesting also to see how they view transhumanism.
	So I had to really go in a detailed explanation, and also explain the Omega Point.
	Because, you know, we were discussing just before going in On this show, you were talking about the Book of Revelation.
	It's now deemed very dangerous, apparently, in Australia.
	I didn't know that.
	Well, we have this Alpha and Omega.
	For reference, Leo, just for anyone who isn't aware, who may be watching outside of Australia, We had a domestic terrorism expert recently plastered all over the mainstream media talking about how anyone who believes the last book of the Bible is potentially a domestic terrorist and, you know, should be reported to authorities.
	I mean, it is absolutely insane, insane what these people are saying.
	Do go on, Leah.
	No, I mean, it's insane, but it really fits in with the times that we are living.
	I mean, they are forcing us into accepting a new reality, a new reality which gradually wants us to merge with the machine.
	So here we have All this LGBTQ agenda, which in reality is just the first move towards transhumanism because everything trans, I also have to explain a little bit what this trans means, you know?
	And so then you end up from transsexual to transhuman.
	And that is really, I mean, of course, First of all, they want to diminish the population of the world and they're doing it in various ways.
	Without going too much into the details, we all know what has happened in the last few years, both with the pandemic and everything else.
	So the depopulation that we are facing, it's also the promotion of the LGBTQ agenda, which has to be promoted more and more Well, what is it, Leo?
	From the occult thinking, from the secret society thinking, why are they so obsessed with people becoming gay or transgender?
	homosexuals and now 30 40 percent well what is it leo from from the from the occult thinking from the secret society thinking why are they so obsessed with people becoming gay or transgender what what is that particular thing simply because they're not going to be able to reproduce anymore
	It's simply because they want to reduce the world population, and by destroying the family values, and then by promoting all this, they are incentivizing, of course, the possibility that then, you know, you no longer have an ordinary family, you're no longer going to have a child, you're no longer I'm gonna even maybe be interested in having a child if you if you start, you know.
	When you are with puberty blockers, when you are 13, we saw it the other day with a woman that her 19th birthday gave this testimony, which was very touching.
	I saw it on TV the other day, in which basically she said that, you know, I was convinced into doing all this, and they basically took away my breasts, they transformed my sexuality, and it's an irreversible thing that they have done to me at a very young age.
	And now, of course, she's 19, she wanted to go back to normality, but she can't go back to normality any longer.
	So their intention is simply to promote more and more this confusion and this chaos, because their agenda is to reduce the world population, substituted with robots and with transhumans, with humans who are willingly Gonna go and microchip themselves.
	The other day in Italy, we had the newspapers with this big title about this guy who put five microchips inside himself so he can go to the supermarket and buy food.
	And he was like, oh, yes, I just bought them on the Internet.
	And there is some centers who can do it legally.
	And it's very safe.
	And I got five microchips.
	I mean, I thought one was enough.
	He's got five.
	I mean, my dog has one and it's then used for, it was, I remember, we did it, he had it done in America but we then used it also in Europe because the data could be read and inserted.
	What are you gonna do with five?
	Yes.
	That's insane.
	But that is the insanity that they are promoting.
	The millennials, of course, that are given this illusion that everything is more simple if you start merging with the machine.
	So in my book, I wanted to also explain the origins of all this.
	And the origins are very ancient.
	I mean, the origins of this whole transformation.
	In chapter one, I explain how, with the words actually of this Masonic and Illuminati Grandmaster, he's simply picking up on the old alchemical tradition, on the research for immortality, the Elixir Vitae that, you know, now with people like Ray Kurzweil predicting immortality is becoming a reality.
	So, in their eyes, in their eyes, the reality of immortality is uploading your consciousness onto the cloud so that it's always there.
	There is different, I explained, there is different modalities.
	There is, for example, the mind transfer, which is basically explained very much in detail in my book, but also the nanobots, the fact that they think that they can merge with the machine that is going to go and And destroy all the sickness, maybe, you know, go inside your body and destroy the cancer, destroy this, destroy that.
	But at the same time, you are, of course, gradually merging with the machine.
	So, it was very important for me, though, to arrive to the origins of all this.
	And the origins are 2,000 years ago with the Gnostics.
	And the Gnostics were deemed dangerous by the Fathers of the Church.
	And so I wanted to know, to explain to people that actually behind the scenes, in most mystery schools belonging to what we define as the Illuminati, which of course include a vast range of secret societies, at least in my own vision of things, including Adam Beisha, of course, in his own Illuminati.
	Well, they have always been teachings, the alleged secrets, secret teachings of Jesus.
	And so, first of all, I have to explain in Chapter 1 the alchemy and transhumanism that is very important, that you understand that basically this is not something they just came up with.
	It's something that goes back a long time, because it starts, you know, in the Renaissance, when they started to push the Philosopher's Stone, they exhibited everybody They have constantly been obsessed with these subjects, these people.
	Can you break down alchemy for the viewers?
	Well, that is also something that is a bit difficult to say the least, because it's a subject that will take us hours.
	But I will say just to be very synthetic, alchemy was viewed 500 years ago as a mix of what now is chemistry, of what is now science, But at the same time, alchemy was also a spiritual path.
	So we now view it more as an interior spiritual path, meaning that the gold that you want to produce is actually something to do with your own way of thinking, of awareness, of illumination, rather than physical gold.
	So it's a modern day science, basically.
	Well, then we have, well, yeah, regarding modern day science, you know, we can say institutionalized science, because nowadays it's, you know, governments finance research, we have seen also what happens with the financing of such research in the case of Dr. Fauci and all the rest.
	But in any case, That institutionalizing the research is something that is born also with the myth of Atlantis with Sir Francis Bacon and New Atlantis.
	That's where you lay the foundation of institutionalized research for the Royal Society that then, of course, also inspired part of Freemasonry.
	So that is a very concrete thing that came out Smith that keeps on, it's of course one of the subjects of my book, the fact that they are very much indulging into this idea of being the philosopher kings,
	people like Klaus Schwab or Yuval Harari, and people like Klaus Schwab or Yuval Harari, and what they're doing is of course with the same kind of attitude the Gnostics have.
	Now if you go and study the Gnostics, we know that they never been egalitarian or you know they never been open to everybody.
	They were very much about the elite, the knowledge for the elite.
	We know it and that's it.
	You know, it's like, for you, this is forbidden knowledge.
	You're too demented to know these things.
	You're too ignorant to understand.
	So this has to stay in safe hands.
	This is basically, more or less, synthetically speaking, what also alchemy is all about.
	Because alchemy has been called the royal art, and it was very much practiced from the Renaissance Renaissance onwards, in which it was actually reached, Europe started to become part of the obsessions of the various courts of Europe.
	So there were these wandering alchemists slash magicians who will then promote their own wonders, their own elixir vitae.
	We had, of course, A time in which the Age of Enlightenment arrived, but at the same time the Age of Enlightenment brought also an opposite reaction, because while there was those pragmatists that were kind of laying the foundations for what is now communism, and of course eradicating religion from the whole picture, then there were people who wanted to
	Really find again that spirituality that was missing.
	And before the French Revolution, we had somebody like Count Cagliostro, Giuseppe Balsamo, who was known to go around the European course and materialize gold, healing people.
	And then we had also, for example, Frans Anton Mesmer.
	These were people also, though, connected with the Illuminati of Adam Bateshop.
	Alchemy is about transformation.
	This is what alchemy is really about.
	And of course, there is a various explanation, you know, people, it's a speculative term, Data time can be based on the transmutation of the base metals into gold, other times into the universal cure for any disease, or other times this obsession in prolonging life is definitely part of alchemy.
	So, it's something that then of course gave partly birth to what is now chemistry, because a lot of those people who were practicing this mystery and secrets and stuff, They then started to become, though, connected with institutions like the Royal Society.
	I mean, we have Isaac Newton.
	Without Isaac Newton, you can't imagine the world in the same way.
	We had people like Elia Sashmore.
	We had people, basically, that have literally also at times intervened in the history of humanity, offering us Some positive changes, because it would be a lie to say that everything that came out of this kind of people was negative.
	There was also some positive elements.
	However, the thing is here that in the end, they were pushing the idea that man is God.
	Man can become a God.
	And they pushed this idea more and more and more until they detached from the initial faith they had, and they became what they are now.
	They are people like Harari, who discusses Gnosticism in his text, when he talks about transhumanism, he discusses it in very detail, talking about the inspiration that comes also from the original Atheist religion and all that.
	But when we go 2,000 years ago, Well, those Gnostics, that alchemy that sprang out of the school of Alexandria, well, those were heretics, and they were dangerous heretics.
	They were practicing black magic.
	If we go into the Nag Hammadi findings, or everything that basically we know nowadays of the Gnostic literature, at times they used to even sabotage and use Jesus to their own advantage, putting In the mouth of Jesus, things that were never said by Jesus.
	And that's why in this book, for the first time, and this is very important, Maria, there is a whole chapter in which I explain with the words of Adam Bishop, the founder of the Illuminati, Albert Pike, the great reformer of the ancient and accepted Scottish Reich, and John Yarker,
	Also a reformer of the Memphis Amnesia, the ancient and accepted right, who was also fundamentally the guy who helped more than ever Aleister Crowley and the very foundations of the O.T.O.
	Well, with these three people and their own teachings on Jesus, I explained how
	Everything that basically they've been teaching in secret in their mystery schools, in their lodges and chapels and all the rest, is dangerous, and it's basically the result of these Gnostic teachings that were... it's very complex, the Gnostic argument, because of course, for your average viewer here, It's very difficult to study every single Gnostic representative, no?
	So I tried to compress all this in a chapter in particular, which is chapter number five, step number five of this volume nine, in which I explain how these heresies have influenced, influenced even the birth of communism.
	The first communists were actually to be found in the Gnostic communities.
	Who were these Gnostics?
	Where they came from?
	Some of their teachings came from ancient Sumeria, from Babylon.
	Some of their teachings came from the heresies within the Jewish religion.
	from the heresies within the early Christians.
	So it's very important to explain all this, because in the degrees of Freemasonry, in the degrees of the O.T.O., in the degrees of all these various secret societies that we have been discussing for so long, They teach a Jesus which is completely different from what we know, and it needs to be exposed, so then people understand why they're behaving in this way.
	Yes.
	Yes, I also note Leo and something that really really caught my eye about your book is in chapter two you've got one of the subheadings Satan Loves Ukraine.
	I really want to touch on that.
	What I often say to people about Everything you're saying is so crucial.
	I want people to understand this.
	You may not believe these things.
	You need to understand that the enemy that seeks to destroy you believes them wholeheartedly.
	Everything that Leo's talking about now, these people live and breathe this stuff.
	And so understanding your enemy and the way that they think, you can't defeat an enemy unless you understand them.
	So I just really wanted to highlight that, Leo.
	Yeah, I mean, when you think about how the Gnostics started to conjure, talk with the angels, like the New Ages of today do, or conjure certain demons, give so much importance to Abraxas, for example, which is a demon, and they, you know, for them it was like this, or the fact that they observe everything around us as inherently evil.
	So, because it's inherently evil, well, Well, it doesn't matter then if we do more evil, you know, in this whole picture.
	And then it's the same point, it's very important to understand how they influenced the birth of Sabbatean Frankism, which is one of the biggest heresies within Judaism, which is also very important.
	And then you pointed out on Chapter 2.
	Chapter 2 is a very important chapter because for the first time people will be able to see the secret societies and the Masonic orders that influenced the very birth of Ukraine, how it has evolved into this Ukrainian identity that didn't exist Madame Blavatsky was born in Ukraine.
	But if you went today probably to Madame Blavatsky and say, what nationality are you?
	She would have told you she was born in Dnipro, which is now, of course, in the midst of the war.
	If you told Madame Blavatsky, what nationality are you?
	She would have probably told you 100% I'm Russian.
	That's it.
	I'm Russian.
	Because still, we were in the early days of this molding and crafting of this Ukrainian identity.
	Now, I've also used for this chapter the allegory of the Holy Mountain of this film director, which is, I think, probably not very well known, but very influential, who is Jodorowsky.
	And Jodorowsky has made two movies that are really discussed very much by film critics and film lovers.
	One is El Topo and the other one is The Holy Mountain.
	It says basically Jodorowsky is actually Ukrainian, he's part Ukrainian even if he was Then brought up in Mexico and all that.
	He made this movie that was, by the way, financed by the Beatles, financed by John Lennon and his wife.
	And so I mean, you know, so in this movie, there is elements that are very interesting, which I used in in describing the lies of the war.
	The propaganda around this war, because it's a mountain of lies that we have to climb to have a real understanding of what is going on.
	Understanding also the secrets of Russian Freemasonry, because Freemasonry is not a monolithic... Nowadays, maybe it is.
	Sadly, nowadays, maybe it's becoming one monolithic body.
	But it used to be divided in two factions.
	Two factions, meaning that from the 1870s The French Grand Orient started to accept Atheists.
	They broke with the regularity of having the Bible in the lodge, and they let the Atheists in.
	And then the first immigrants from Russia arrived.
	People like Vladimir Lenin got initiated.
	The Grand Orient of the Russian people was opened after the 1905 attempted revolution, because there was an attempted revolution in 1905 in Russia.
	And then at that point, Tsar kind of became a little bit more tolerant towards secret societies.
	And there was already Freemasonry, but it was Freemasonry that was loyal like it is today.
	There is a form of Freemasonry that is loyal to Vladimir Putin today in Russia.
	And I talk about that too.
	And also the conflict that they had with the Ukrainian Grandmaster.
	These are things that are all documented that I have, of course, also I have interviewed myself, the Deputy Grandmaster of Russia.
	So, I mean, in my book I relay a lot of first-hand information and I explain how, I mean, just a few days ago, I can send you a photo of the Russian Grandmaster at the Russia-Africa Summit.
	Helping out Vladimir Putin with all the guests who are also Freemasons from Africa.
	So, I mean, talking about a direct hand.
	And Prigozhin was involved with the members of the Russian Grand Lodge in creating his Disinfo, whatever operation that he has with all those internet trolls that he's famous for.
	Leo, can I ask you quickly?
	I want to ask.
	How many people inside, say, a parliament building, would actually be members of a secret society?
	What percentage?
	Well, if we consider Freemasonry a secret society, which is not actually a secret society, because it's a society with secrets.
	Everybody knows about Freemasonry, so it can't be a secret society.
	There is secret societies you don't even know the name of.
	Those are very well-kept secrets, I say.
	But I would say that if you include Freemasonry, well, then you have a lot of people.
	Plus, then you have to also include the members of today's think tanks or organizations like the World Economic Forum at Davos, which is a modern emanation of what the Illuminati used to be.
	I explained already that in Volume 7 of My Confessions, as you know, I explain further their involvement with the show business in Volume 8, and now in Volume 9 I of course also describe their involvement with Transhumanism, but with the war, but also, you know, then we have the Codex Alimentarius and the future of what we eat.
	I was about to say to you, this is one of the things that excited me most, this particular topic, because it's a document.
	One thing to close down on chapter two, I want to close down.
	Sure, go for it.
	In my book, I show how evil these people are.
	The satanic rituals that were found just at the beginning of the war by soldiers that were reported, you know, terrible rituals.
	The fact that there is organizations like the Knights of Chaos, like This guy called Carol, who is the founder of Chaos Magic, was organized already in the past with another guy here in the U.S.
	who published even a book on how to fight Donald Trump magically.
	But they have literally put together from the very first days of the war, these curses directed at Vladimir Putin and all this black magic.
	So this just to sum up then, To close down with chapter two, there is also the involvement of the Church, the Catholic Church.
	Let's not forget that the latest move of Zelensky is to move the Christmas that, for the Orthodox, is on a completely different date to the 25th of December, just to make you understand how things are.
	But when I say Satan loves Ukraine in Chapter 2, it's because the Satanic Temple has actually posted support openly for them.
	It's not just an idea, it's a fact.
	So this, I think, has summarized very well Chapter 2, or Step 2 of our Absolutely.
	The subject of Codex Alimentarius, many people don't know this document.
	They haven't read it.
	I have the earliest version that I could find from the 70s.
	It's over 400 pages long.
	I have the hard copy.
	And you know, you read this document and in its essence, it's essentially, this is the way I've described it to people, massive food control.
	Not only that, calling poisons, nutrients, nutrients, poisons.
	swap inverting everything around, essentially leading to the malnutrition of everyone on Earth.
	But you're talking about insect witchcraft inside the Codex Elementarius.
	I'm making clear once and for all what it means for the elite that you eat insects and what kind of witchcraft the elite has been doing for thousands of years with insects.
	Insects that were never something that, you know, you were suggested to eat because they have always
	I mean, you had all these books that were like the Malus Maleficarum and other books of the Middle Ages which of course were like manuals to discover witchcraft acts and witches and of course were used also by the Inquisition.
	pinpoint on on the importance of insects, insects, you know, like when I mean, first of all, I started this chapter with you are what you eat.
	And this saying is fundamental.
	Because if you are what you eat, and you start eating insects, then what are you?
	Yes.
	Yes, that's that's the thinking.
	It's just like, but and also imagine, for example, Roman Catholics who every week follow a ritual which is the ritual most holy for the Catholics.
	No, the Eucharist, which represents the Tramstance station of the blood of the body and the blood of Jesus.
	And imagine if that Eucharist was made with the flower from insects.
	Oh.
	And let's not forget another thing.
	It is said that the Antichrist would be made for the Illuminati in the image of Apollo, the god Apollo.
	Apollo is the god of the locusts.
	This is the Illuminati that are saying he'll be made in the image of Apollo, you're saying, Leo?
	These are teachings that you can find within the Theosophical Society.
	People like Alice Bailey, like Annie Besant, and they have always had this idea of this Apollo, this majestic Antichrist that arrives, you know, because Apollo can be also a beautiful god, you know, seen in a certain way.
	But then there is the truth, the truth that he is also the god of the locusts.
	We have The Exorcist Part 2.
	Do you remember that movie with the locusts and the insects arriving in Africa and all that?
	Well, do you think that we should be eating those?
	No.
	So you see, when I, you know, it's like a little bit like, I mean, we have this, the eccentric scientist of the fly in a 1986 classic movie, you know, but when you see what they're doing, By promoting this new culture of eating insects with flour made of crickets, locusts, things like that.
	I mean, it's just it's just so disgusting.
	And it's the consumption of it, of course, is controlled and promoted by Freemasons.
	It's of course that these people, I mean, and then I explain in this chapter also the secrets of Koduku.
	Koduku is a type of poisonous magic in Japan, and it's a derivative from the Gu magic from China, of course.
	And it explains how insects have been used.
	They were collected, a hundred different kinds of insects collected, so they could produce, the sorcerers could produce this ultimate kind of poison.
	I repeat, it's not something that we should be eating.
	And it's part of magic.
	So there is a lot of relationship also between certain insects and Egyptian magic.
	The scarab, for example, no?
	The scarab we have in Egyptian magic is very important.
	The beetle, no, in Egyptian magic.
	But I repeat, Who wants to eat this stuff?
	I mean, I cited the passage from the Compendium Maleficarum.
	Now, the Compendium Maleficarum is a book that was published in 1608 by an Italian called Francesco Maria Guazzo, who made basically this witch hunter's manual, just like the Maleus Maleficarum.
	And it explains in this book how the witches in the Sabbat gathered and infested the trees and fruits that surrounded them with locusts, caterpillars, slugs, butterflies, cakeworms, and such pestilent stuff.
	That was then used to attack the cattle, to attack what was good, what was nice, and so this is basically what we are Supposed to be eating?
	Now, you talked about the Codex Alimentarius and, of course, I have talked extensively of it.
	I mean, just last week there was a meeting, the Secretary General of the United Nations was in Rome.
	Unfortunately, what many people don't know is that the United Nations has also this really Sick Bodies, we saw one of them, the WHO, but we also have the Food and Agriculture Organization.
	Now, it's based in Rome, unfortunately, and it's based in Rome, And of course, it's under Chinese control.
	There was just recently the election for the new president of it, and there was only one candidate, the Chinese guy who was previously the president.
	So there was no basically, it's just the Chinese controlling the food and agriculture.
	I mean, and they are discussing more and more two things.
	One is, of course, insect food.
	And the other one is also artificial food, which is just as bad, because we're talking about food created in a lab, created in a lab in which I mean, the result is, of course, something totally natural that now is going to start sadly arriving on the shelves of our supermarkets because of the corruption.
	And it will be delivered to our doors, Leo, as they, you know, make this Lifestyle of renting, getting things delivered by drone, not leaving your 15 minute city.
	What options will you really have when you're not even allowed to go and buy meat from a farmer?
	You have to order whatever is on the allowable menu and it comes and it's crushed up locusts.
	I mean, this is literally the future these people want for everyone.
	It has the potential to create a new pandemic Of course, even worse than whatever we had before, because when you add the zoonotic, this is between people and animals, this is how infections that are possible, when you start, you know, when you start the mass production of insects, for example, and how are you going to contain them?
	And if they start to escape in the nearby farm when they have maybe some cows or some normal animals and stuff, or where they have maybe, you know, a bunch of crickets that starts to invade maybe Some plantations that are nearby.
	I mean, you have to understand also that there is, yes, they can say, oh, the locusts are highly nutritious.
	Yes, but the locusts can become dangerous for our environment.
	So you are actually building something up, which might become soon a new pest of sorts.
	Oh, absolutely.
	But you mentioned zoonic diseases.
	They're saying that the reason for zoonic diseases is human encroachment on natural habitats, humans going into nature, and therefore, we are actually causing future pandemics by stepping into nature.
	This is what they're now teaching.
	It's absolutely astounding to me, but I want to keep going, Leo, because in Chapter 4, you talk about the Illuminati selling their souls to the devil to rule the world.
	This is something that, you know, we hear so many people speaking about.
	They signed a little contract and all of a sudden they were famous, so on and so forth, but there's something in here.
	I mean, all of it is fascinating, but you talk about Ukraine, Cyber Satan's first digital prison as well in this chapter.
	I don't know anyone but me and I'll say that.
	I don't know anyone but me and you now that has actually spoken about the fact that this is the first fully functional New World Order country in the world, fully automated, no government, no cash, no nothing.
	Talk to us about this, Leo.
	Well, first of all, to close down with Chapter 3 and the United Nations, well, we go back to Ukraine in any way, because then we have the link that the United Nations has with the disciples of Madame Blavatsky.
	And Madame Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society is that milieu whereby, if we didn't have it, probably the world would not have modern Satanism now, and everything that came from it was negative.
	So the fact that we have the Lucie Strauss inside the United Nations with a permanent seat, Well, it should make us worried.
	It should make us worry the links that they have with this Theosophical Society.
	And the fact that you talk about selling your soul to the devil.
	Well, I mean, all this constantly when we, you know, first of all, we go back to Germany every time.
	Where were the Illuminati founded?
	Germany.
	Where were the Rosicrucians founded?
	Germany.
	Where, basically, was the Nazi Party founded?
	Of course, Germany, as well as Tule Geschichter, as well as the OTO was founded between Austria and Germany.
	So we always go back to Germany when it comes to this whole Faustian bargain.
	Who is Klaus Schwab?
	He's a German.
	His father worked for the Nazis, he was a German.
	I'm sorry to say, I even have German blood myself, because from my father's side, we go back to the founder of the city of Cologne, I even went there.
	But I know exactly what kind of diabolical bargains these people made.
	And that's why when we are talking about the Faustian bargain, and we, you know, our idea is this fictional crossroads bargain, you know, we meet with the devil and we sign the pact, and it's just typical of the folklore, you know.
	But when you go and study the whole thing, actually it's based on a real guy who existed in Germany, who was going around Germany back in those days.
	And then We have the first version of the Faustian Bargain, which is of course promoted by Marlow, but then after we have the classic, which is Goethe's version of the Faust, which is the most popular version.
	Now this is important that people understand this, because Goethe was a member of the Illuminati.
	I actually published in my book his own oath, you know, so nobody can say that it's fictional.
	The difference with the previous versions of the Faust, which was a legend, is simply this.
	Just so you have an idea of what I'm talking here about.
	Before Goethe, when you sell your soul to the devil, you know that you end up in hell.
	With Goethe, it's not so clear any longer, because the Illuminati thinks they can outsmart the devil.
	And they think that they can do a Faustian bargain, but then in some way they can trick the devil, and they can still end up at the last minute, not in hell, but in heaven in some way.
	I mean, it's like a trickery.
	It's not, you know, with Goethe, with Faust Goethe, for the first time, you get the concept of the bet with the devil, you are basically doing a bet with him, you know, you don't bet with the devil.
	That's it.
	Once you make the deal, that's it.
	And that's why, in my book, I explain how there is certain grimoires that have been used and have been used even by stupid people like this guy, for example, in England, who a couple of years ago ended up going to the park and killing two girls after he signed a deal with Lucifer for God.
	I mean, there is stupid people, of course.
	There is people who maybe will buy, you know, a grimoire or find it online and then they will sell to the devil and say, but it doesn't work!
	I remember once, Maria, there was this guy in Italy that came to me and said, well, I went online and I paid, I think, $2,000 or I don't remember.
	It was a lot of money.
	And to make a deal with the devil, they sent me a package.
	But this guy was literally stupid to, I mean... He sounds stupid.
	He was really convinced.
	He said, I made the deal.
	I followed the And it didn't appear!
	Nothing happened, Leo!
	They ripped me off!
	And I was like, oh my God.
	It's this guy.
	How can you be so demented?
	I mean...
	I mean... But you raise an interesting point, Leo, which is that they think that they can somehow outsmart the devil.
	What do I know?
	That is something that came only with the Illuminati, you see.
	When Adam Bates came into the picture with his Illuminati, and he's going to be really the guy who's going to elaborate the communism, the communist ideology, because it was one of his disciples who after founded the League of the Just to publish Karl Marx's manifest and all that.
	So here we're talking about some very concrete evidence that we have.
	Well, I mean, Adam Weishaupt himself gave the possibility to these people to start thinking that they can not only outsmart God, but like we said earlier, become God.
	And in fact, later on, with the foundation of the O.T.O., which was inspired by the Illuminati, they Have a motto.
	Deus est homo.
	God is man.
	So, at that point, that's it.
	You see, Gnosticism is to blame here.
	Because Gnosticism is not really Christianity.
	Even when they say Gnostic Christianity.
	In this book, for the first time, I explain how modern Freemasons, since the 1970s and 80s, have tried to promote Gnosticism as part of Christianity.
	They have published all those things that were found in Nag Hammadi.
	They have also, at times, mixed elements with the Dead Sea Scrolls, which have nothing, though, Gnostic about them, because they have to do with the essence There is all this new age fantasy that, you know, they start to build around the building of a new way of a golden age and new age is that we are building a golden age.
	And it always goes back, of course, to the lies that they are trying to sell to us.
	And speaking of those lies, Ukraine's one of them.
	So you've said Ukraine is cyber Satan's first digital prison.
	Talk to us about that.
	You see, what happens here is that Ukraine, of course, has been... it was already in the hands of George Soros even before the Soviet Union basically collapsed.
	I mean, it was the ground zero of George Soros spreading through all the former Soviet Union.
	And of course, like I explain in my book, there were certain secret societies that the Illuminati used in the last 200 years in Ukraine to try to push this nationalism against Russia.
	Because Ukraine was always a disputed territory between Poland, Prussia, Russia.
	These countries have always had a lot of interest.
	Okay.
	These countries have a lot of interest, Germany, Poland, and Russia, basically.
	And these secret societies artificially created this country that didn't really exist.
	Because like I said, this is simply part of Russia in the end, if you really want to be honest about it.
	But you are asking me a very important question here, because when I started to see The way it was already going before the start of this war.
	I mean, the war already started in 2014, but of course, we can say formally started with the military operation in February 2022.
	When it started, they were already claiming to have done many steps towards embracing this new digital reality.
	And you had basically Zelensky, who was going around parading himself as the guy who was offering a bright new future to a country that, of course, had many problems, but could become the first digital country.
	He started, I mean, in May 2021, there was a summit organized by the Ministry of Digital Transformation.
	They have this Ministry of Digital Transformation, in which they presented this new thing, you know, if you become part of Arcante, you can have a bunch of tax exemptions, a bunch of this and that.
	And what is this digital cat?
	Well, this app, this app they created, it's called DIA, is basically the foundation, the stone for this, the cornerstone for what they are trying to implement.
	You have everything on your mobile phone.
	Nothing.
	You don't have any more ID, passport, credit cards, anything.
	Everything on your passport.
	That's it.
	On your, sorry, on your smartphone.
	So, and on an app.
	And this, of course, with no boundaries for the foreign investors that want to develop whatever they want in Ukraine.
	So they have tried to promote this concept more and more.
	And then, you know, then you have, of course, Ukraine was not as talked about as it is now.
	But the first steps were already made prior to the Russian invasion.
	And it was almost like they were getting prepared.
	Then at one point the World Economic Forum gave them the nickname "The Digital Tiger".
	Ukraine is the digital tiger.
	Wow.
	If we go and see what was happening like three years ago in Ukraine, they were saying they were the most backwards country and they didn't have any knowledge of this and that, and they were just trying to jump on board with the rest of humanity on trying to promote this new technology.
	And suddenly instead they want to be, to use a term, you know, maybe The tip of the spear of this digital age.
	They absolutely have advertised it that way and I've brought this up before for the audience.
	It's up on the page right now ukraine24.org.
	It's the official fundraising platform of Ukraine.
	They've got a lady standing next to some broken steps on the front page to make you feel really sorry for her that her front steps are destroyed.
	And they talk about how Ukraine is a shield of Europe from Russian aggression and all of this absolute nonsense.
	Whatever you think about Putin and Russia really doesn't matter.
	This is lies.
	They've been caught using footage, you know, from video games for goodness sake.
	And you've got Deloitte supporting them.
	Yeah, what this guy who is here, it seems like there is various people in chat, but it seems like one of the main people is this Mikhail Fedorov.
	And I think that what they're trying to do here Because, you know, this Minister for Digital Transformation, he posted this last year, actually one year ago, July 2022, in the middle of what, you know, I mean, with all the problems they have, you would not think they're talking about this kind of stuff.
	But he was already saying, we will win.
	We will be the most convenient country in the next 10 years.
	Just invest in Ukraine.
	He wants to basically move the whole of Silicon Valley to Ukraine.
	This is what he wants to do.
	They believe that this whole project can be achieved by 2030, because this is a reoccurring date in this whole project.
	Well, I think it's, I think it's hilarious, Leo, some of the things they're promoting.
	I'm just going to bring it up on screen right now for the viewers.
	They've got problems in a small town.
	They want modular houses.
	Um, so that this is, uh, that, you know, that they need more of these modular houses.
	Oh, it sounds like smart cities.
	They need more drones.
	Uh they need they need more satellites uh you know spotlights to protect from suicide drones but there's just some of the things that they're saying they need are absolutely for the establishment of the smart city then you've got google supporting uber support i mean come on really anyway i wanted to touch on that leo because i don't know anyone else who has spoken about this like you have just covered apart from us i mean that Thank you, thank you.
	And I think that people will appreciate the seven steps in this book, in this particular step.
	When you see that they have already pissed off the guy who has most satellites in the world, which is Elon Musk.
	I don't know how that's going to go.
	But also, I mean, it seems like they have this delusion that they will be able to Annihilate and destroy in some way Russia.
	They're sending drones now to Moscow.
	I mean, these people are instigating a nuclear attack.
	Yes.
	I think that the only future, maybe it's true, maybe they will be the first virtual country because there will be no real Ukraine left by the time they finish with this whole thing.
	That's very possible, actually.
	So it's very possible they could use that to build it.
	I don't know.
	Zelensky will be the president of the first country that resides in an app.
	You want to download?
	You embrace it.
	If you don't, you can disregard it.
	I mean, there is no Ukraine.
	Do you know they actually did that Leo?
	I can't remember the name of the country but it's a series it's on an island and because it keeps getting flooded and weather problems with the weather and they've said it's now unsustainable to keep living there.
	They've actually moved the residents out and given them access to their island in the metaverse.
	So they're not allowed to live there anymore by, I think it's a globalist mandate.
	They're not allowed to live there.
	They're only allowed to access their island, their home, through the metaverse.
	They've already done it to someone.
	So there you go.
	But we'll keep going.
	You know, I don't mean to go off track, but it isn't off track because it's all relevant.
	You covered a little bit of I mean, when you talk about the Faustian bargain, Faustian bargain is not only a bargain of one person, but it can be the bargain of a whole group of people, like a technological bargain, a bargain to To reach, for example, the level of a quantum computer.
	Because a quantum computer is a really dangerous thing.
	Because once they start with quantum computers, you're going to see the digital divide.
	Because what can be done with a quantum computer can't be done with all the rest.
	So suddenly the guys with quantum computers can break into your blockchains, break into your computer, all your passwords will be worth nothing, they will be inside your house, and you will say, who is that?
	Well, you know, that is basically cyber Satan, to the ultimate extent, quantum computers.
	So, but regarding the Faustian bargain, in the end, we have to also rely on the words of Arthur C. Clarke, that with that fantastic film also, 2001 Space Odyssey already denounced the dangers of the AI in a certain level, because when he says that advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, and that's where we are heading.
	I suppose that that leads us into part of Part of Chapter Six and Chapter Seven, if you want to quickly touch on these, Leo, because you've kind of spoken about five, but Chapter Six is all about Cyber-Satan's alien origins.
	People hear the word alien, they think a little green man in the sky, but that's not what we mean by alien.
	Really, it's demonic.
	And then how to survive Cyber-Satan and his alien invasion without fear.
	So talk us through the technocratic totalitarian Essentially, magic advanced technology that is coming for the world.
	Well, you see, when I was finishing this book, this whole load of info came in regarding, oh wow, The US possesses UFO reverse engineering, and suddenly we have all these revelations about a topic that I have been following for many, many years.
	And a lot of people, a lot of researchers, oh, Zagami talks about this, whatever, you know.
	No, no.
	I take it seriously for one reason, and that's why I went to Roswell, I went to... I couldn't get inside Area 51, but I went all over the place around there in Nevada.
	I interviewed people, I spoke with people, and I came down to this conclusion, which I already in some way presented in Volume 7, but I wanted to really explain fully in Volume 9.
	The UFO, the crash, especially when we talk about UFO crash site, you have Roswell, you know, and that is really, you know, Roswell is like the Holy Grail of UFOs.
	But in my book, I also explain how before Roswell, there might have been also Magenta in Italy in 1933, which basically is also a very important event.
	And why is it so important?
	Important because Now we are talking, the technology we're using, everything we're using, comes from that technology that they started to filter in the 1950s.
	And they had actually a specific meeting I talked about in Volume 7, which I cite also in Volume 9, in 1956.
	And from that moment onwards, we started really talking about artificial intelligence.
	What does this mean?
	It means that basically we are screwed already.
	There is no, we are doomed.
	And if we continue to ignore this whole thing, it's just going to get worse.
	Because this is a Trojan horse.
	We were given this technology by these entities.
	Now there is those who say they're extraterrestrial, those who say they're ultra-terrestrial, those who say extra-dimensional.
	Without going into all the details of what these entities, where they come from, The technology that they have given us, and that basically we rely every day, because everybody in the world nowadays has a smartphone, is a Trojan horse that basically is helping.
	You know, H.G.
	Wells gave us the typical image of the alien invasions.
	Ooh, UFOs coming from the sky!
	Everybody's scared!
	Okay, it's not like that.
	It's much more simple for an advanced race.
	It's like a guy who goes fishing, he throws the bait and then he waits.
	So he throws the bait, people start reverse engineering this stuff.
	OK, we arrived to 2023, where basically we are almost about to get screwed, all of us, by the quantum computers and the artificial intelligence.
	Even Chachi EPT, who is quite primitive compared to what we're going to have in seven years, is already scaring people.
	Yes.
	Where do you think this stuff is coming from?
	And so in my book, for the first time, with the actual, because just while, you know, you had, of course, I think Australia had a lot to do with this unfolding of this David Grush, because there was that journalist, that Australian journalist that helped this whole It's definitely this, how you say, this disclosure.
	This UFO disclosure has been going on since the beginning of the year, and it actually has been going on a few years back also from when they started with all those TikTok videos and all the rest.
	The thing is that people are amazed, but people also seem to be almost like, I mean, The whole thing is discussed in a committee in Congress.
	And everybody's like, okay, well, they were some non-human beings, spacecrafts, apparently.
	Is it true?
	Is it not?
	Is it true?
	Is it not?
	But the thing is that if only people focus on one thing, reverse engineering, meaning everything we have around us already, Okay, as a former Illuminati, I was about to ask you, Leo, as a former Illuminati, when you say alien, what do you actually mean?
	You just said the words demonic.
	Is it coming from demons?
	Okay, mainly The technology that we are relying on is being given to us by what we used to call demons.
	We can call them interdimensional or whatever.
	Aliens.
	Even angels are aliens, because of course they come from the sky.
	Then you have the fallen angels, unfortunately.
	And we know what has happened also with the fallen angels meeting with the Daughters of Man and the whole thing, no?
	Here we are, as an Illuminati, what I've been learning for years, and what I'm trying to now expose in my book, which is very important, especially now, is that the Fermi Paradox was itself, because people maybe don't know what the Fermi Paradox is, Enrico Fermi was, with Oppenheimer, one of the guys who created the nuclear bomb.
	Okay?
	He was a guy who came from Italy, used to work with Mussolini, and then He was brought to America.
	At one point, he was having lunch with a few people and it, you know, it was the moment in which you had the, you just had all these sightings, UFO crashes, Roswell, alleged other ones happening elsewhere and all that.
	It was the early 1950s.
	Even Carl Gustav Jung dedicated some of his studies to the UFO.
	And he asked, but where are they?
	Why can't we see them?
	If they are around.
	It was like the Fermi paradox.
	The thing is that Enrico Fermi himself might have already knew that they have alien technology, because he came from Benito Mussolini.
	And one of the things that David Grouch revealed to us, this pluridecorated veteran, former member of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office and all the rest, is that basically, He himself said that the first UFO crash was Magenta in Italy.
	It wasn't Roswell.
	And that the pieces of that UFO were then brought, thanks to the Vatican, to the US.
	And so Fermi knew already that.
	So the Fermi paradox is more like the Fermi taking the piss out of everybody.
	And the fact that this unidentified aerial phenomena, as they call them now, because I don't want to call them UFOs.
	I prefer UFOs, sincerely.
	But in any case, it's going to, you know, there is going to be a lot of people say, but I don't believe it.
	I don't believe it.
	Maybe yes, maybe no, maybe yes.
	You don't need to believe it.
	In 2030, you will be trapped by cyber Satan in your digital gulag, and the aliens have conquered this planet and you are screwed.
	So the thing is, either you understand that and you get out of this reality, and then you start preparing for living off the grid, off everything that is electric or electronic, because anything electric or electronic will be within the grid.
	Yep.
	Yeah, right.
	And that is really what I try to explain.
	And in my book, I explain the Trojan horse behind also, and the truth about Operation Trojan Horse and the Fermi Paradox.
	I explain also that there is really, you know, there is now all this infighting between ufologists Are these UFOs, are they really alien or are they from another dimension?
	Listen guys, if you have the technology to come from another dimension and you know the universe and how it's constituted, you can basically travel across the whole universe.
	So it's completely idiotic to think that demons can't go to another part of the... You understand?
	It's just like sometimes Our own terrestrial mindset blocks us from having a complete understanding of the full picture.
	And that is really what I wanted to make people understand in this book, bringing really concrete evidence that we are in front of the end times, that of course, we can accept the mark of the beast, But we can also refuse all that.
	We can refuse it, refuse the mark of the beast.
	We can go off-grid and create a different kind of society.
	Because in the end, what Jesus and his disciples 2000 years were envisioning was this battle that we are actually fighting right now.
	And so... Do you truly believe we're there?
	We're right in those times, Leo?
	Or we're approaching those times?
	Absolutely.
	And that's why... Do the Illuminati believe it?
	Absolutely.
	And that's what I'm showing also in my book.
	And for the first time, I also show what happened in early June 2023.
	Martin Rees, who is an astrophysicist, royal astronomer, a guy who is the Illuminati consider not a god, but almost, because, you know, for the Illuminati, science is God.
	So, you know, the scientists, you know what he said?
	He said, most aliens.
	This is in an official paper he published.
	He said, most aliens may be artificial intelligence, not life as we know it.
	Human intelligence may be just a brief phase before machines take over.
	They may answer where the aliens are hiding.
	This is not An idiot is saying this.
	This is a guy who is a royal astronomer.
	Just go and Google Martin Rees and you're going to see it's not David Grish.
	This guy is much more... So it's not really a coincidence, no, that a week before David Grish comes out with his revelations, this guy comes out with an official paper A royal astronomer.
	So I mean, we are in front of a situation which is unprecedented.
	And so I'm very excited, but at the same time very scared for mankind, because I think that we are neither ready, neither we understand the implications.
	So we are still there discussing things that are really of not important.
	We know what's going to happen in 10 years from now.
	Humans are not going to be so relevant anymore if we continue like this.
	They're not going to be relevant into politics because the machines are going to simply substitute them.
	The AI is going to substitute the articles in the newspapers.
	We're going to start to see AI generated image.
	We don't even, can't even at the moment... Can't distinguish between reality and... Yes, you're right.
	Well, didn't the alien do a great job?
	You know that scene, of course, we know, everybody knows Al 9000 in 2001 Space Odyssey, but maybe not everybody knows that in 2018, for the 50th anniversary of the film, NASA installed Simon, crew interactive companion, on his flights, which mimics Al 9000.
	So, I mean, it's kind of a dark reality where we're heading.
	So it's important that, for me, this book was probably the most important book.
	I wrote it in a way that my readers don't have to necessarily read my past books.
	So it's like a book in its own, you know, lives a life on its own, in its own dimension.
	It is a book dedicated to God, because I didn't know who.
	This is a job that came to me profoundly inspired.
	All the work I did in a few months to put together this book was profoundly inspired and inspirational for both me and my wife who collaborates with me and does the editing.
	She was really touched when she started to see what this book was about.
	She was shocked.
	And and I think that we are, we are facing our enemy, but we also need to know what we are facing.
	We need to know like, you know, you asked me at the beginning of the show, what is alchemy?
	And you know, people don't really relate to things like alchemy.
	But like you said yourself earlier, for the Illuminati, for the people who rule this planet, these are very important matters.
	These are the most important matters.
	That's right.
	For them, the fact that they can suddenly mind transfer their, you know, Berlusconi just died in Italy.
	And the news is that basically, He did euthanasia to himself so he could mind transfer himself.
	Wow.
	To do the mind upload.
	Now, people of course will think this is science fiction or this is something that is not yet ready or possible, but we're moving really fast towards all this.
	That's right.
	And at the same time, I also, towards the end of the book, wanted to explain how these communists, these leftists, are also reevaluating posadism.
	I don't know if you ever heard of Posadism.
	Now, Posadism was this Posada guy, basically.
	Juan Posadas was known as the Argentinian Trotsky, and he gave birth to the Fourth International.
	He was actually, I mean, he founded parties that have been very influential in South America, but his beliefs are far out.
	He believed, I mean, he died in 1981, but he still has followers to these days, and the leftists are relaunching his narrative, which is basically the following.
	Let's push for nuclear Armageddon as fast as possible so from that nuclear war we can finally get the solution which is this communist hellhole that he was promoting.
	I mean, and then he is, apart from his views of nuclear war, which are quite known, you know, he equals nuclear war as something revolutionary.
	He even during his lifetime tried to convince China or Russia to use nuclear weapons.
	But he says that it will not be a damage because nuclear war will bring us into a new kind of society.
	The masses that will emerge in a few hours from the first nuclear will be a new humanity and of course communist.
	And he says, of course, that the UFOs are communist.
	So, I mean, it's of course, it sounds completely bizarre and bonkers.
	But I invite you, as you are a serious researcher, and everybody who's following us, to go and study Juan Posadas.
	Also study how the contemporary journalists of the New York Times, the Vice and all that, are relaunching his ideas, saying, well, he wasn't wrong after all.
	And we're relaunching his ideas and here's the most hilarious part about this, Leo.
	It's tragic and hilarious at the same time.
	These same journalists who have, you know, sort of pushed this disgusting thinking throughout society are about to be replaced by machines.
	They're about to be replaced by AI.
	But not before they get their first nuclear bomb, maybe nuclear destruction, because that's where they're heading.
	You know, I, in my own life, I was lucky enough to only meet one Posadist once.
	I remember still when I met this guy.
	It was New Year's Eve of the year, I think, 2000 or 1999.
	I was in Norway and I started talking with this guy because he seemed interesting intellectually.
	You know, when you go, you know, you're in front of a drink, it's New Year's Eve, who cares?
	But then he started to say this, I'm waiting for the first nuclear bomb to explode in front of us.
	And I was like, I was like, is this guy for real?
	I mean, I, okay.
	I said, maybe I had too much to drink or maybe the guy had too much to drink.
	So I thought initially that this guy was simply, you know, but then I understood this guy was part of a movement.
	And a movement that was also involved with ufology, a movement that claimed that they would solve all the problems of the world with a nuclear war, well, I think it's insane.
	But that's how you know, that the view viewing the extraterrestrials says have not landed because they see Earth as too primitive for them being divided only between capitalism and the four bureaucratic types of socialism.
	We're gonna bring them communism.
	These people are insane.
	That's it.
	I mean, and that's why we see them in their antifas.
	You know, when you see these antifas or when you're marching on the streets doing what they're doing, you don't really understand their logic.
	But a lot of them are thinking like that.
	We don't care.
	You know, their life is so miserable that they want to destroy everything.
	That's it.
	Yes, they see it as the Great Leveller, Leo.
	They want everyone to be miserable with them.
	And this is why there are even people who, deep down, want the Great Reset.
	They don't want anyone to prosper because they're not prospering.
	This is not the majority of people, but there are some.
	There are some who are just waiting for the Great Leveller, particularly those on the left, You know, I don't really subscribe to the left and right, but it's the most adequate term that we have right now of, you know, people that think that they're a victim, people that think that everyone owes them something.
	They don't want you to do well, because they think, they believe they can't do well.
	They're always going to be a victim, always at the mercy of other people's actions, and therefore other people must come down with them.
	This thinking does exist.
	Yeah, it's sad, but this is the way that this world is going towards embracing transhumanism and everything else, because in their ordinary life today, they're not happy with their own bodies, with their own minds, with what they are You know, you cannot be happy when you are embracing Satan and when you are embracing evil and you are promoting it as the solution of the world's problems.
	So I think that the selfishness and eagerness of men is just as bad as it was at the end of Atlantis.
	And that's why my last chapter, which closes the book, Talks about the end of Atlantis, how Atlantis ends, in the words of Plato, also in the words of Manly P. Hall, which of course wrote some very important books.
	He was a Freemason, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, also other important books.
	And I wanted to explain how this Atlantis myth still influences to this day, because the New Golden Age has three main points.
	Which are the new religion, the establishment of a new religion that impels men to become like gods.
	We discussed this during the show.
	The alien threat, which is the disclosure of a hostile alien presence and the arrival of the golden race.
	Maybe there is some kind of golden race that will save us.
	And then you have the post-human paradigm, which is the emergence of this post-humanity filled up with machinery, implants, things, and embracing all this.
	Because if you, in 10 years from now, if you see a guy walking in the streets with things coming out of his head, antennas or whatnot, And you, well, you'll be a racist if you say that that guy is not normal.
	That guy is very normal, and you need to embrace it.
	And that's it.
	In Australia, anything that transhumanism does is just like a transsexual.
	It has to be embraced.
	That's it.
	And that is going to be the reality, unfortunately, Maria.
	So, I hope that by the time people reach the seventh chapter of this book, they understand the importance of it.
	I, of course, also talked about the work of the late Dr. Zelenko, which I think was very important.
	I talk about the way that this, you know, Zelenko was very much a guy who was a man of science and of course medicine, but he was also a guy very well versed in Jewish spirituality and he was He was very clever also with the study of the Torah and everything else surrounding Judaism.
	I mean, he was very clever.
	So I talked about Zelenko and also I wanted to explain how the Plato's theory of communism is not the communism of Karl Marx.
	There is a fundamental difference here.
	The difference is this: for Plato, he actually wanted the people who are the more rich on top, who are there, to have this kind of communist approach, while instead he wanted the masses to to have this kind of communist approach, while instead he wanted the masses to not be communist at all,
	He said, if the person who is like, for example, we know that everybody arrives in Washington today becomes corrupt, no matter who they are.
	And there is a brilliant example today with the Biden family in the White House.
	Complete and utter corruption.
	But the examples, as you know, can be many, because very few people who arrive in positions of power, even in Australia or in other countries, retain that ethics and those morals.
	Yes.
	So Plato wanted to simply have this alternative that the people who were in charge were not really depending on money in any way.
	So I mean, it's almost like saying, you know, Prince Charles, Prince Charles doesn't need your money, he owns the country.
	And so, but Prince Charles, for example, violated that principle with before becoming king, he was corrupted and accepted money for titles and stuff, which he did, which is a shame, because then it proves that he's not really a genuine monarch.
	Monarchs who were genuine based themselves on these platonic concepts because they said, you know, that is the way that, I mean, then also it's another important thing is the education.
	The education, of course, that already back in the days of ancient Greece, you know, only the rich people could really educate people in a certain way.
	So there was already that divide that Plato didn't like.
	So to actually say that Plato was communist in any way is wrong, because he believed in the monarchy, he believed in the institution of the monarchy.
	Now, we might not believe in the institution of the monarchy these days, but the institution of the monarchy, if it kept to its pure principles, would have been much better than the fake democracy we have today.
	Because nowadays, we say, oh, well, everybody's unelected, you know, you are electing your leaders, you are in charge, you have a great, you know, Kamala Harris starts talking about democracy, Kamala Harris, my God, I mean.
	Yes.
	And she starts saying, you know, democracy is a very fragile thing, but it's very strong when it's strong.
	And she starts talking nonsense as she makes her word salads, you know, like she puts a bit of, she makes a Caesar salad every day when she talks.
	So the thing is that, unfortunately, we need people who already have everything.
	And that's why I like Donald Trump.
	Because he was already rich.
	He could have just stayed out of politics and avoid for himself a lot of problems.
	But I don't know if I like everything of Trump, but I like this concept, the concept of a guy who has already everything.
	He doesn't need to make money on you.
	He wants to offer himself to the service of the people.
	This is a real...
	Jesus-like figure who is basically sacrificing for all of you, you know, and he's working for all of you.
	The politicians of today, there is no way they're working for you.
	Well, you're talking about people that have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
	And I have many, many issues with You know, certain things about Trump, the injections being one of them.
	I made an example of Trump.
	Yes, no, no.
	But what I'm trying to say is what you're articulating, this concept of, you know, everything to lose, nothing to gain, are the types of figures that all of humanity searches for, Leo.
	The thing that I'm most interested in is when their one world leader comes, He's going to be someone that everyone loves very, very much.
	Perhaps maybe your next book can be about the deception of this coming one world leader in more detail than you've covered in the past.
	Well, in this book, at the end, I talk about divine retribution and the end of the Golden Age, just like the end of Atlantis, because we have divine retribution in the Bible.
	Noah, the Great Flood is an example, no?
	But we have many other cultures with divine retribution all over the place.
	I mean, it's even the Great Flood theme tends to repeat in various cultures.
	So here we have man who thinks he's God, who basically builds, I don't know, the Tower of Babel.
	Like, who looks just like the headquarters of the European Union and thinks that everything is based on technology, on science, that you have to reject God and, you know, it's not important to go to church during the pandemic.
	Actually, you could be arrested if you go to church during the pandemic.
	You have to only believe in the God of science.
	All this, of course, brings divine retribution.
	And that's why, yes, you will have eventually the Antichrist figure.
	But remember, we will have also divine retribution.
	And we will have, not only because everybody Focus is, of course, the Antichrist will be aided by Cyber-Satan, so he will be able to do everything and more.
	Wonders, you know, things that will be, of course, called miracles, but they're not miracles, are possible at that point.
	But instead, when it comes down to the Messiah, that is a different thing, because he's going to have to fight, and he's going to have to fight A technology which, as you can see, is already unfolding and is incredible.
	So imagine a figure that comes back in a world which doesn't believe in monarchy anymore.
	So the Messiah comes back in a world that basically has lost the sense of the Kingdom of God.
	Because let's remember that Even when we have the fictional, I don't know, Star Wars, do you have a democracy in the cosmos?
	No.
	Emperors, kings, queens.
	I know it sounds a little bit, but remember that everything that is not, I mean, America, like I explained in Volume 7, at the end of Volume 7, is the only experiment that we can call a republic which is decent.
	But all other experiments in the whole world, including all the constitutional monarchy republics like Australia, they are the worst scum on earth.
	I will not live in Australia or Canada or New Zealand or Great Britain, which I'm half English, by the way.
	I am related to the Queen, just so you know, I'm not crazy.
	But in any case, I will never live in those countries because I think that this country has at least offered us an alternative.
	Like I said in Volume 7, and I keep saying, Jesus is not up for elections.
	He's not coming for presidential elections 2024.
	So you have to start already going back to that kind of tradition, which for us is starting to become a little bit alien.
	Because how comfortable do you feel with monarchy?
	If Jesus is the King of the monarchy, if he's the Lord, if he's the one in charge, I'm perfectly comfortable with it.
	But if I'm honest, in my daily life, it's a foreign concept on this earth, I should say.
	In my spiritual life, it's true.
	Would someone who is not spiritual, who doesn't currently believe in Jesus, would they struggle with that?
	Absolutely, they would.
	What does it mean to have him as your King and your Lord?
	What does it mean to have him as your Lord in your daily life?
	Unless you're currently practicing that, it may be difficult for you to swallow that the government is his and he's absolutely in charge.
	And that is what will happen when he returns.
	Yeah, but like you said, it will be difficult to digest for a lot of people.
	And so in a way, in my seven steps, I try to explain, you know, where we are heading.
	Why we are, for example, ruled by the number seven, that's why we have seven chapters.
	Seven is very important, the seven planets, but also for the Gnostics, there were the seven Archons who were ruling this reality.
	We have the explanation, of course, that we have Michael, Archangel Michael, behind one planet or rather a raffle behind another planet and that these are important also for an understanding of what the reality that we have around us.
	So I think that once we understand that these people are trying to bring back the dead using the AI because they are even a couple months ago, they just inaugurated a app to talk with the dead.
	Yeah, in Southern California, you can talk with the dead through an app.
	I mean, it's becoming really bad, you know, when you start with necromancy, when you're talking about the elixir of life in the age of the AI possible and all these promises of something that, you know, it's basically promising you a new golden age, which we know is not going to be the case, where there is going to be a lot of people that will be fooled by this illusion.
	Yes.
	So it's good that people like you have a clear mindset, people like me, and that we can come here and discuss with all our viewers these truths.
	And I'm very glad that today's show has given me the opportunity to really go through these seven steps.
	Yes, I want to bring it up on the screen for everyone.
	For the record, I want to address something, Leo, because I'm certain you didn't mean it this way when you said Australia is scum.
	You weren't talking about the people of Australia.
	You were talking about the leaders.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because I can just imagine people going, hang on a minute.
	No, no, I say these governments are complete scammers.
	Yes, absolutely.
	I have a friend who was in Australian Freemasonry until the beginning of the pandemic.
	When he saw how the Freemasons of Australia behave during the pandemic, he says, I don't want to have anything to do with these people.
	Oh, well, better for him anyway.
	But it tells you just how bad it really got when a Freemason said, no, I'm out.
	My goodness.
	But regarding, you know, when I talk about Australia, these are countries which have an identity at the moment, unfortunately, Which is very different from America because they haven't done a revolution.
	Yes.
	In 1776, there was an act of revolution.
	The Canadians are trapped there under Trudeau in a situation which is terrible.
	I mean, I'm like every day I see what's happening in Canada and I'm like this.
	And when I see what's happening in Australia, it's the same.
	Well, Leo, they've just announced that, so just in Parliament, they announced that Flights in and out of Australia are potentially reportedly going to be banned moving forward in order for us to meet our carbon emissions promises.
	I told you in the past to have a boat.
	You remember I told you to get a boat.
	You did.
	Now you see why.
	I hope for that.
	Listen, I just want to thank you so much for all your time today.
	We spent quite a bit of time here today, but I think it's worthwhile to promote this book, all of your life's work.
	For anyone who's missed Previous interviews with Leo.
	He's a former Illuminati member.
	He talks about the entire journey coming out of it.
	You know, threats on his life, how he actually escaped God's divine intervention in his life.
	It's really, really an amazing journey.
	We've done multiple interviews in the past.
	I'm going to bring up this book on the screen right now.
	You can buy it on Amazon.
	Confessions of an Illuminati, Volume 9.
	Seven Steps to the Secrets of the New World Disorder from Transhumanism and Immortality to Gnostic Jesus UFOs and Insect Witchcraft.
	You can also find all of Leo's work on his website leozegami.com.
	It's been up on the screen the whole time throughout this interview.
	Leo, we're so grateful for your time and all of your research, really.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And like the Bible warned us that during the last day, this planet will be over 10 with wonders and things out of this world.
	But now I think that with today's show, people will have a more clear idea of what to expect and also how to avoid the the negative effects of all this, because either we are in Australia or the way in America, we will all be affected in the same way.
	Yes, the whole world.
	We will all be affected in the same way.
	So we need to be ready.
	And we need to know what the enemy is doing.
	And so this book is based on facts.
	It's not based on theories.
	It's not.
	Everything that I have relayed on the seven chapters is facts.
	So you can believe it, of course, or you can decide to ignore it and go and watch the Barbie movie and pretend that everything is fine in this illusion of yours.
	You know?
	That's exactly what it is.
	They've built an illusion and you know more and more people are realizing nothing really in this world can be trusted and I think that's a good thing but there is one who can be trusted.
	Leo Zagami, thank you very very much for your time today.
	We appreciate you.
	God bless you and we'll see you again in the near future hopefully.
	God bless.
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