This week the boys tackle the most MSM attention that the MCU (not that one) has gotten, after catching a horny doctor being a hypocrite in the Big Apple. Will this negate all Covid-19 guidelines, proving the right to be right, turning the Empire State red? Unlikely...but it's a good opportunity for Steven and the LwC crew to demonize drugs and sexualities. Like what we're doing? Want MORE for FREE? Join the Shrug Club at http://patreon.com/shrugclub Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy
Sorry. - Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast louder with Crowder.
My name's Byron, and across from me, a pen in his hand with a professional reporter's notebook.
Beneath it, it's Dennis.
Slammin' a Diet Mountain Dew, let's go.
Okay, less prestigious journalistic ethic of a man like yourself.
That's true, yeah. I'm actually, uh, this is on the record?
Yeah. Okay. You're doing better than...
Dennis is here. We'll talk about those guys in a minute, but you're already miles ahead of him.
Good. And all the way in an even more occupied Texas now, it's Jared.
It is Jared. Good day.
And he's done it. Steven has single-handedly turned New York red.
Wow. He did it?
Big deal, huh? That's a win for the election.
Well, yeah, I guess they're gonna...
The road to 270 just got a little bit easier to travel.
Sure. I don't actually think it's gonna happen.
But let's just say it did.
And it's all by honeypotting a horny scientist who had a sex party with 12 people after creating the suggestion of only having 10 Sure.
So he suggested 10 and they said how about 12?
Dr. J Varma is his name and he's the latest target of Mug Club's undercover unit.
BMCU. Yes, exactly.
And he's dominated the crowdiverse and beyond ever since he was not only HP'd by a female employee.
Like DP'd? Nope.
Okay. But also, confronted by Crowder himself.
Was it like an ambush journalism style or was it?
It was kind of slick. Was it?
But yeah, this was that old school Steven.
He popped up out of a trash can.
No. I'm a grouch!
He walked up pretending to be a fundraiser for environmental causes, talking to the, I guess, employee of his who had been HP-ing, Dr.
Varma. Okay. Oh, do you want to join us?
She goes to get drinks.
It's very Chris Hansen.
Yeah, Joey Greco's around.
Sure, yeah. That was the old-school Stephen flight that Gerald was talking about, I think, last week or two weeks ago?
Yeah, I remember that. The Carlita Express.
Crowlita? Like Lolita Express?
Yeah, but what's... Oh, Crowlita.
Yeah, yeah. Sorry.
Cut it. Cut it?
No way. Yeah.
We won't be talking about the episode where the initial bombshell piece that was selectively edited was released, or that Fallout episode where they sent Gerald to a sparsely attended press conference put on by the New York City City Council Common Sense Caucus.
Right. What had more people in attendance, this or that J.D. Vance rally with 12 people where he cried?
Oh, I actually don't know if I know the J.D. Vance rally.
He recently had like a 12-person attendance rally and he cried afterwards or something.
Because he was upset about it?
I have no idea. Wow.
Speaking of J.D. Vance, Ken Klippenstein thinking of you, buddy.
He got his account deleted after sharing.
The band hammer came down.
Sharing the J.D. Vance internal research.
It was the vetting documents that the Trump people put together.
It was in depth. It sure was.
Crazy in depth. It was kind of fun, though, to watch that Common Sense Caucus press conference at the steps of City Hall, I believe.
I got there in the hand of a man live streaming it.
Like on Periscope?
Kind of the same feeling, which was nice.
A guy just walks up to it and suddenly people are talking and shouting.
And they had like a former nurse who's like, I used to be a Democrat, but I haven't voted for Democrats in 10 years.
He's like, let's have this lady be mayor!
Which is really incredible.
Hey, that's one good idea, I think.
It was very nostalgic.
Do you remember all those weird, on the steps of buildings, things that happened during COVID held by people?
Robert Malone or Judy Mikevitz or Stella Manuel, all those COVID folks.
Do you remember howling out your window for nursing?
Well, that's...
Hanging out of pots and pans.
I do remember doing that about two times before I was like, I'm really sad.
But yeah, unfortunately, just like back then, COVID's back.
Not the disease, but I guess the feelings around it.
Is there a term for the nostalgia for the weird dark times?
Whatever it's called, these folks have it.
Is it like schadenfreude adjacent or something?
I don't know. Yeah, kind of, because it's like the first couple weeks were nice.
I'll tell you, having a break from work, buddies...
I was working for myself, so I didn't really get much of a break.
I was playing drums in my living room.
I actually had to try harder.
I had to figure out how to podcast remotely, which back then was not easy.
Not even a little. Tonight, we're going to be covering the final part in this Varma saga, the September 25th episode called Varmagate Part 2, Monkeypox Media Spin and Alex Jones Infowar to be liquidated.
Nice. That's exciting.
I don't think we're going to be talking too much about that.
We might celebrate a little bit.
I love Alex. You love Alex?
I do. Yeah, he's beautiful.
He is a sight to behold.
Behold, that's right. Yeah.
We're going to do our best to have some fun before all that nastiness.
Real quick though, their countdown graphic for the live streams, kind of unsettling now.
It's fine. It's like a warning.
Directly at us. Well, I guess at anyone.
Add a gun cocking noise to it.
I mean, there might as well be...
Yeah. They're the new anonymous.
I also like that the font is like that font from the ad that's like, you wouldn't download a car.
It's the same like 1990s anti-pirating font.
I just remembered I sent this to you earlier today.
Not an impressive graphic.
The message is interesting.
Their eyes and ears are everywhere, but mostly in one party consent states because they don't know how to We do real journalism.
Of course. Yeah, yeah. We just secretly record people because we have apparently...
Zero ethics.
Well, that too.
And an attractive female employee that they use to trick people into talking.
Yeah. Great.
We are hiring one of those.
Oh. Okay.
All right. Well, I don't know about that.
No, we're not. We're not.
We are those. We're attractive employees.
Is it a... Steve's new gal pal, do you think?
Is that who you think he's sending out?
I want to say, I think that she might be one of the reasons why Steven was talking so positively about Brazil for a while.
I don't know if we need to talk about Steven's personal life or the fact that he's dating a Christian Brazilian model.
It's fine. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.
Who's he sending out there?
We gotta find this person, maybe.
Steven actually gives us audio listeners a little bit more than a lazy description.
He's pulling something out of the vault.
Oh no, fuck no.
It's an LWC rewind.
This is an intro that we ran during COVID, a parody of The Bravery's Honest Mistake, a Wuhan mistake.
The bravery? I'd really like to let people hear this.
This is a really important time in my life.
This is like a document, a living document.
They took it away from me.
The year was 2005.
We're approaching 20 years at this point.
Of the song, period?
Yeah. You remember the bravery, Honest Mistake?
I don't. From the self-titled debut album?
No. I mean, it's basically classic rock at this point.
I'm sure I'll remember. I think you'll remember.
Is that on the heels of Franz Ferdinand or something?
It's very much in that vein.
Take me out! So we mentioned that they've been dropping these weird...
Block Party? Closer to Block Party.
Not quite test icicles, but they've been dropping these weird RSS feed exclusive parodies.
This one isn't exactly that.
It once lived on YouTube.
But sadly, no longer does until now.
You may not be able to find it on YouTube because it was banned and the entire episode was actually removed because at that point in time, it was actually considered misinformation, perhaps bordering on criminal to imply that there was a possibility that COVID may have, in fact, Emerge from a lab.
But YouTube has said that it's allowed now.
It's interesting that he blames the song for the whole episode getting taken down.
Yeah, of course. It was the song that did it, not all the commentary during the hour-long episode after that.
I cannot imagine, Stephen, during COVID, it'd be insufferable.
Oh, I was watching because he switched to Good Morning Mug Club.
He was doing two-a-days during COVID because he wanted his staff and employees to be very, very sick.
They weren't remoting anything, of course.
No! You kidding me? Gotta press the whoosh, whoosh button.
Yeah, someone's got whoosh, whoosh that.
Can you do that remotely? No, I actually think you could.
It's actually someone shuffling papers in real life.
Oh, really? I don't think so.
They're shuffling it under a camera that's on screen?
I actually know somebody in the mud club undercover who might have been working for them for a while, and it turns out that you can't do that.
The work's not there, so...
Are you part of Mug Club Undercover?
I'm not at liberty to say.
Can we have a pajama show called Shrug Club Under the Covers?
That's kind of fun, where we just hang out and chat about what's on our minds.
I think I mentioned this in an earlier episode, but yeah, he's right.
YouTube has recently changed its misinformation policies, particularly regarding election-related content and also focusing on preventing misinformation about treatments, vaccines, and denial of COVID-19.
Or other, I guess, pandemic-style diseases existence, excuse me, over its potential origins.
They don't really care so much about that.
More about, you know, keeping people healthy and giving them accurate information.
Yeah, no injecting bleach conversations, but it's fine to talk about where it might have come from.
And it's time to talk about...
Well, actually, it's time to listen to...
Open our hearts. Open our ears.
This parody of the bravery...
I'm ready for this to be inside me.
A Wuhan mistake.
Oh, no. Wuhan, where I keep a file at Next to our markets That's how we do But this time...
Something just escaped.
I just wanted to.
Thought you are no.
Oops, my bad.
I swear I know.
You still have a blank expression.
I thought it was a Bloodhound Gang song.
Oh. It sounds like the Bad Touch.
I don't know about that.
Do you think Steven's done a cover of the Bad Touch before?
There's too many words. There's a lot of words in that song.
There are, yeah, yeah. I don't think he'd have the...
I mean, back then in 2000...
Well, when was this? 2020?
15 years after that, when he probably first released this.
Yeah. No AI. Yeah, he had to actually record it.
So do you think he actually sang this one?
Yeah. Really?
Or somebody did. This might be in his range.
I was trying to think, it doesn't really sound like him, but it is him in the video, right?
Yeah, and he has given it his all.
He's looking like Joan Jett or something.
Fully cosplaying as the lead singer of a garage rock band.
Nice. I feel like a lot of his aggression in his voice is just a put-on.
Yeah. So I bet he could be singing a little more cleanly.
I mean, you heard him do Screaming Infidelity's cover.
It was amazing.
That was really bad. Biolab next to a wet market.
That's how we do. Kind of proves you right there that they're writing with AI now because that's the least clever setup to anything.
Of course. It's bad. And it continues.
Don't look at me that way It was a Chinese mistake You don't need to listen to any more of that.
That was bad.
It's not good. I don't even know the song.
That is an obscure song.
It did reach fairly high on the pop charts at the time.
What was the one that goes...
I'm still alive, but I'm barely breezy.
Matt Nathanson?
Yeah, I feel like he would do a cover of that.
I want Stephen to do it. The script?
Oh, it's the script. The script.
Damn it. It was really close.
Yeah, yeah. You think he, just kind of out of nowhere, you think that's, you think that's a good one he should do?
Why don't you send him an, I'd say give him, send something to the tip line.
That's an eighth. I'll try and I think you'd do a good job with this.
You should do a song by Modest Mouse.
I think he's probably already done that one.
Today it's a Thursday, but when they recorded it was a Wednesday.
We are starting off, they're going around the horn, they're sipping coffee, they're making the noise, and they're settling in.
Captain Morgan, CEO, how are you?
I'm doing well. I had to wear this in honor of Alex Jones today, so...
Oh, now I feel like a jerk.
We all should have worn it. Well, no, I just thought it was good.
We all should have worn the same shirt?
They have done it before.
Yeah, all the time. I mean, like the same single shirt?
Like they all put it on together like it's a church camp?
You're doing a stretch here, literally.
Literally. Okay. Dennis, they're wearing the Alex Jones was right, change my mind shirt.
Oh, nice. Yeah, classic.
Yeah. I can't believe that only Gerald wore it.
Did they put it on sale, too, to try and get some more?
I guarantee you it's on sale.
Two for one. Gosh. The Knowledge Fight boys finally started digging into a part of this world that we covered a little bit early on.
Remember Bigly, the company that was working with the Hodge twins to do truck giveaways?
Yeah, those big boys with the trucks.
So the CEO and owner of Bigly apparently was on the Alex Jones show because he's taken over Infowars merch now or did until they were doing it as a separate thing so they could actually get the revenue through some sort of weird loophole would be my guess.
But I found out that the guy from Bigly was also a J6-er who pled guilty to assaulting an officer and is going to be sentenced in November.
So it sounds like he's a patriot? Is what you're saying?
Serious Patriot. The Hodge Twins are giving away two cars this next month.
So big steps up. Two?
Yep. And it's confirmed.
That's a blow up. Bigly does merch for Steven Crowder, Alex Jones, Hodge Twins, and more.
Louder than Crowder. Thank you.
I'm never going to get that right.
Everyone drink when I do it wrong.
No, you did it right. Oh. I'm just saying he's also doing our merch.
Oh, our merch too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, well, we actually do that.
Wait, can you go to...
Nope, you can't go over there anymore.
Yeah, YouTube doesn't take you to anything anymore.
Oh really? It takes you to Twitch.
Third chair sitter. It's not Josh, thank goodness.
I'm really sick of hearing him talk.
I'm losing my patience.
Yeah? I don't enjoy hearing his auditions and his comedy isn't funny.
Because of course you know- Who could be funnier than him though?
Well, who could be funny in a situation that he's found himself in?
It's not a comedy show, but they sure do like to pretend it is.
It's Nick Dipp. Oh, Nick.
This one wasn't very funny, was it?
This episode? Yeah, not very funny, huh?
Yeah, kind of weak on the jokes.
It's really funny.
There's this moment where after they announced Nick's upcoming show, he asked Steven to plug another date.
The whole room kind of lightly ribs him by that, I mean, being rude for no reason.
Sure. Typical third chair comedian stuff where you just treat them like shit, like you're better than...
Yeah, right. This runs us into a consistent segment, which I call When I Was an Awkward Christian Kid Whose Dad Kept Me On Edge Seeking Approval.
Oh, no. Yeah. Well, that's...
I was just being polite there.
He was being polite. Dr.
Dread. Actually, Dr.
Dreadful, when we were a kid, that was actually the food thing.
Dr. Dread...
No, it was Dr. Dreadful. Dr.
Dreadful? Yeah, it was like an easy-bake oven.
They would have little things like, Dr.
Dreadful's worm food!
And it was just like fries or like gummy things that you put in an easy-bake oven.
You're like, Dr. Dreadful's...
Wait a minute, you had an easy-bake oven as a kid, Stephen?
Not really. It was Dr. Dreadful.
I feel like you weren't listening to the story at all!
I tune that one out.
It was just like, they had Polly Pockets for girls, and then they were like, for boys, Mighty Max, and they just painted over her hair, like, ah, it's not a dollhouse, it's a dungeon.
You're like, yeah! You want to bake your own food, too, right?
Of course you do. Those things were awesome, though.
They were kind of cool. Bake worms.
Yeah, well, I mean, we needed it.
They had the Easy Bake Company. You ever try to eat creepy crawlers?
I love that Nick DiPaolo said exactly what Steven's dad probably said to him when he's like, I want a Dr.
Dreadful Food Lab. It's an easy-bake oven.
What are you, a girl? Yeah.
And then just shut him down like immediately.
I know. Well, they're all realizing that gender is such a social construct as they're talking about it.
Painted blue, painted pink.
They basically just said that.
Yeah. And Stephen had the, what was in his back pocket, the handkerchief in his back pocket.
Yes, yes, exactly.
And his dad's like, what do you, oh, he said a lot of things about that.
Papa Crowe. Haven't seen him in a while, but yeah, I thought this was really interesting.
I did like Dr. Dreadful Food Lab.
Of course. I never got one.
Too poor. Never used it.
Never. My sister had the Creepy Crawlers, though.
Oh, yes, which did look like you could eat them.
Unfortunately, you could not.
I tried. Yeah, they definitely looked edible.
Yeah, you chew on them and they will break apart.
Yeah. Kind of fun.
Orbidden candy. I had a friend, Rick Buhlman, at the Dr.
Dreadful Food Lab. Hey, Ricky!
He would let me watch him make this stuff.
Nice. Wouldn't let me try it.
Yeah, fuck you. Wouldn't let me eat it.
I didn't eat the foamed brain.
I didn't eat any of the gummy scorpions.
You know, we have this stuff now. It's just poppin' cookin' candy.
Wait, what's poppin'? Siri, remind me to make a poppin' cookin'?
I don't know what you're talking about.
Is it like a microwave cookie?
No, it's like, look up poppin' cookin'.
I'm not gonna... Okay. Guess at home.
Look up poppin' cookin' candy.
Poppin' cookin'?
Candy. The whole point...
Oh, wow. Oh, I've seen these.
Yes, they're like little mini candy kits.
Yeah. You make like sushi.
Small burger. Yes. Okay.
That makes sense. Glad she's...
I didn't mean to dismiss you.
Glad we looked it up. It's fine.
It's nice that we clarified this.
Also, for him to point out that Mighty Max is just painted differently Pauly Pocket.
I was a big Mighty Max guy.
If all I had was Pauly Pocket, I don't care.
Who fucking Who cares, Stephen?
I don't give a shit. It's plastic.
Yeah, it is just plastic.
All of it was kind of cool.
Toys are cool, broadly speaking.
Yeah, in general, toys are cool.
And they're even getting cooler. The opposite of that, Nick goes a bit too far.
Oh, not surprised. Yeah.
Didn't Biden try to ban the Easy Bake?
Well, it was more so he was hoarding.
He had one in a van.
Yes. He was banning gas ovens.
A bunch of Jews are going, where were you in 1939?
Oh. What, too early?
What am I doing, Oprah for Christ's sake?
This show's getting really gay.
Yeah. Nick Dip is such a fucking idiot.
He's a real piece of shit. They even say later on in the show that like, you know, how you do comedy is that you escalate it and Gerald...
Yes, exactly.
Yeah, he definitely did.
So Nick pulls back a bit after that, pulls off his hat, places it over his heart and praises all the great work Mug Club has done lately.
And Gerald handles it as Jared was suggesting.
Very oddly. A lot of people like to use the phrase, speaking truth to power.
That's the definition of it, what you guys are doing.
Yeah. Look who's gay now.
He got all touchy.
See, I don't... Sorry. Whoa, the first YouTube dump has to be him.
I forgot, I forgot. I'm sorry.
Jeez, Gerald. So not beeped on Rumble.
I did that. Yeah.
Gerald dropping a hard-ass.
Oh, no. I really, really hate Nick Dipp's fake sincerity.
He does that a lot.
I think you heard some of that during our live election debate coverage.
Speaking truth to power. Shrug.club, which you can go listen to that for free.
It is odd.
Well, everything about that was odd.
That was odd. The whole thing sucked and was weird.
Nick, there's no way he respects Steven, right?
Or is this his last opportunity to make money?
I don't think he does at all.
I think he's just trying to make money.
The ad that's in the show, I can't remember if it's the one at the beginning or at the end, but he says something, you know, get all this at Mug Club, Nick DiPaolo, and that's it, pretty much.
At this point, we are kind of like slowly losing the Mug Clubbers.
I feel like they kind of need each other.
Or he needs to break off and do his racist Nick Dipp show on his own, I guess.
I mean, the two times I've tuned into Nick by choice...
Jim Brewer could do it!
One was Nick saying that he wished that he had a slanted roof, implying that he would like to assassinate Kamala Harris.
Sure. And then another, he threatened to crack her head open.
I remember that. Yeah, that was bad too.
And he says something bad later in the show, I don't remember, or if I cut it, so that'll be a fun surprise.
Nice. That YouTube dump button has been slammed.
Jared, I don't know if you were watching on YouTube or Rumble.
I've just gone, I'm Rumble-pilled now.
You're a Rumble boy. Yeah, you just missed too much of the conversation on YouTube.
Well, sometimes I think that they push it in an effort to give the illusion that you're missing out on more than you are.
But then Gerald just says like a slur.
And you're like, okay, that's clear.
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah. And here we are, Jared.
Pardon me. Gerald is sweating.
I'm sorry, that's my fault.
Father Morgan. His comes from his profession, yours just stems from hate.
No! That was such a, like...
Yeah, no, we know how you feel about it.
We know how the church feels.
Yeah, exactly. No one actually thought that his joke was anti-Semitic.
It was a joke about the gas ovens, the environmental movement.
Yours is just, that's just an epithet.
I don't think he's gay.
You went to a dark place there, doctor.
I didn't use the full word.
The full word's the one I stay away from, you know.
Oh, git? Yes!
Sorry, sorry. This is a good conversation.
Yeah, it's bad so far.
Yeah, not great. Old conversion Morgan over there.
Definitely hot under the collar at this conversation.
Under the white collar.
Yes, hot under it.
Hot under his popped polo at Chick-fil-A. That's a good picture.
One of these days we'll find an excuse to share that.
Ballsack.meme. What?
My website, ballsack.meme.
You do not own Ballsack.meme.
Yes! We bought it here.
Wait, during a show? Yeah, when we bought Woke YouTube, I got Ballsack.meme.
And that's going to forward you to a picture.
Why haven't we been... Guys, because I don't want to plug Ballsack.meme.
Well, okay, we'll do it this one time, alright?
Yeah, okay. It'll go to like a GeoCities of all of our collected old images of Gerald with a faux hawk?
Yeah, we'll find them. That's in production, just like our regular website.
Yeah, whatever. So we kind of start at the end of this story, the Varma situation, but I'll fill you in as we go.
Jay Varma was fired this week from, and you didn't know this at the time, or it wasn't necessarily highlighted, a pharmaceutical company, Siga Technologies.
Tonight, New York City's former COVID Czar fired from his private sector job after he was caught on hidden camera admitting he attended multiple sex parties during the pandemic in defiance of his own public safety protocols.
Do you think you'd have gotten, like, a hard time if, like, the popular, like, New York City found out that you're having sex parties during COVID? Dr.
J. Varma appears to have been secretly recorded in this heavily edited undercover video released by conservative podcaster Stephen Crowder.
The fallout leading to termination from his job at SIGA Technologies, a pharmaceutical company where he served as executive vice president and chief medical officer.
The company did not respond to multiple requests for comment.
A spokesperson for Varma would not comment on the firing.
My God, what a hypocrite he is.
One Democratic city council member not holding back, slamming Varma.
When he's caught, he's blaming the right-wing media.
I mean, this guy is...
what a dirtbag. I hope you guys...
That's a Democrat! That's a Democrat!
It's really telling that they're shouting, that's a Democrat!
It's like they want to win.
Yeah, they're so...
So that Democrat...
You guys claim him. The person who just yelled that, city council member Robert Holden, Sounds like a solid guy.
I didn't look too deeply into him, but he does some cool stuff in Queens.
He's been doing it for a long time.
Called out the wrongdoing no matter his party affiliation.
Yeah, right? That's what it should be like.
Why? You don't say anything when your side does something fucked up or wrong.
You're not supposed to say it.
You're supposed to lie or defend.
Yeah, that's just how it works.
You minimize lie or defend.
His frustrated response is likely due to the statement that Jay Varma, who served as senior advisor for public health and COVID-19 under Mayor Bill de Blasio, the principal scientific spokesperson and architect for New York City's COVID-19 pandemic response,
the statement was released in the wake of the MCU sting, saying, not falsely, but also besides the point about the situation, he said, Unfortunately, I was targeted by an operative for an extremist right-wing organization determined to malign public health officials and take down the public health system in America.
This individual has been highly discredited and has been banned from...
He's got an army. Numerous, he does.
I don't have an army. Media outlets for his homophobic slurs and racist rants.
I don't believe that. Not for a second.
Oh, because you're a Republican.
Exactly. That makes sense.
It's a little hyperbolic, but he's not too far off the point there.
Goes on to say, in those private conversations that were secretly recorded, spliced, diced, and taken out of context.
The lady was busty. What can I say?
Is that what he said? No, he didn't say that.
Well, they did cut the part where he's going...
He did do it.
His eyes shot out of his head.
The jaw hit the table and the tongue rolled out onto it.
Rolled out. He's floating.
Yeah, it was wild. But what exactly did he say about his time during the pandemic?
At least what was snipped, trimmed, and released...
In the audio, Dr.
Varma discusses attending private gatherings and engaging in activities that contradicted the public health guidance he was promoting in his official capacity.
Things like mask mandates, social distancing, stay-at-home orders, most applicably restrictions on gatherings.
But what if they were six feet apart?
They could have been. Are you winking?
What is this? What if they were six feet from the edge and they're thinking...
I was making a bad big dick joke.
Oh. Yeah. With no context on how the conversation was steered in that direction, he does bring up a sex party, which Stephen kind of paints as a wild orgy.
Is this issue with it being a party or that it's wild?
Drug-fueled sex party is what he repeats kind of at nauseam.
Really? Yeah, and it's just like, well, okay.
He's focusing on the wrong thing then.
That's like the Can you guys believe?
Can you guys even believe that this guy is horny?
Well, I have to say he is more horny than most.
Sure, yeah. But why didn't he call it like a super spreader event?
Yeah, this dude's a freak, baby.
Well, we'll get to the super...
Well... Jesus Christ.
Yes, sir. Yeah, to me, this wild orgy...
Devil salutes to you.
The wild orgy sounds more like a swingers thing that he and his wife arranged.
Yeah. As well, there was this drug-fueled dance party, which...
Was it good music, at least?
I don't know about the music.
I do know that it was some sort of secret underground Wall Street thing.
Yeah. All which occurred while he was leading New York City's pandemic response.
So yeah, not great.
No. I mean, there was a ton of that.
There was tons of, you know, social distance.
Everyone's taking personal risks as they come.
And you have to weigh those decisions.
I'm more concerned about the dance party that he went to with 200 folks than the recreational drugs he used at that party.
Or even the sex party.
Have fun. Fuck around.
Do some drugs. Be safe about it.
Sure. The sex party was 12 people.
He might have just been throwing out a number.
He said, I had this sex party with my wife and 10 other people.
10 of our friends, he even said.
Which his guidance was like, I think the rules in New York at the time were 10 people limited for indoor gatherings.
So he fucked 10 people and him and his wife were also.
Yeah, so 12 people, fucking 10 people.
Sure. I don't think that's the point of these limitations for gathering.
The number itself doesn't matter.
It's to remind people to have smaller indoor gatherings.
Yeah, and it sounds like just smaller indoor intimate gatherings.
Sure. I mean, he's talking about one, but it wasn't the only one.
No one has just a single sex party.
I think Varma and his wife...
They had a couple of them, but I think one was in August and maybe the other one was after that.
I saw it in that.
The sex party part doesn't matter.
It doesn't, yeah. I think...
I want to hear more about the sex party.
Who's there? Who's fucking?
Who was sucking? Whose feet were in the mashed potatoes?
Believe me, we're going to talk about it.
There's some select moments from these recordings.
Is Eric Adams there? I actually don't know, but I do know.
That dude's a freak, baby.
That guy is a freak and he's in dribble.
Hot water, for sure. Hot water.
Describing a dance party that he attended, Varma said, We were all rolling.
We were all taking molly and everybody's high.
And I was happy because I hadn't done it in like a year and a half.
This is their big... And remember, these are all the big bombshells.
Yeah, yeah. Okay? Don't really care about that?
He did some molly.
All right. Sure. And I mean, I don't like that he's at a dance party, but whatever, man.
Like, happy because he hadn't done it in a year?
Sure. Recreational drugs, why would you shame someone for that?
Why would you specifically clip that out if that matters?
Reflecting on his concerns about being recognized at a non-COVID-friendly event like this dance party, he said, I was looking around like, fuck, I wonder if anyone sees me.
They're going to be pissed because this is not COVID-friendly.
Okay? That's bad behavior.
I don't like that. He recognizes it, yes.
Discussing a sex party that he, they say, attended.
I think he threw this one.
He said, wife and I had a party with like 10 people who we...
Yeah, everybody got vaccinated.
Not everybody got tested.
Yeah, the old stick and poke. Sure.
Come on, man. Come on.
I'm glad everyone got vaccinated.
I mean, like, what orgy doesn't end in, you know?
Inoculation, dude. Guys.
I was just gonna say stick and poke tattoos.
Yeah. We know.
We know. I know. Yeah, reflecting on his personal persona versus private activities, he stated, I did all this deviant, like, sexual stuff while I was, like, you know, like on TV and stuff.
Yeah. Seems like he might get off on that.
I think he was enjoying the power, and he likes this kind of naughty feeling.
Totally. I mean, there's definitely like, you know, the same reason people are like, oh, what if we get caught?
Sure. It's the same thing as on a bigger scale.
It's exhibitionist almost. Yeah. Discussing it.
Yeah, with some stranger that you met on a dating app.
So when asked about potential embarrassment, he responded saying, people are like, aren't you afraid?
Aren't you embarrassed? And I was like, no, actually, I'm like, I love being my authentic self.
Which I'm glad he does.
I feel like he might be regretting that a little bit now that he has been fired from his job and publicly outed as a hypocrite.
Bit of an asshole, I guess.
Yes, yeah. They also focus on his role in implementing vaccine mandates with him saying, I was able to force mass vaccination on people by making them uncomfortable through both applying financial and social pressure, which...
I don't love that. I think that that was always a pretty clear tactic.
Yeah, I think we obviously want to pressure people to get vaccinations.
Yes. But when you describe it as pressure, it feels...
There's a line. Yeah, yeah.
We want to drive people to get vaccinated.
You do it the positive way by being like, who's the Kelsey brother that's dating Taylor Swift?
Travis. Travis is getting the vaccine.
Yeah, right. You should get the vaccine too and be like Travis.
They would say that that's sick.
That's sick. You're manipulating us.
Well, I just think, I mean, showing people that it's safe and it's something that everyone's doing.
Because, I mean, it is safe.
It is safe. So we're not tricking anyone.
It's like when you do the airplane to make your kid eat the food.
Sure, I love... I hate carrots, but I love airplane hangers.
I love when they crash in my mouth.
When discussing the potential consequences of his actions being exposed during his tenure, Dr.
Varma said, yeah, that would have been quite the scandal.
And it turns into will become quite the scandal.
And it is, and it continues.
I think that it's going to calm down pretty quick here, which is...
I have nothing to say about that, I guess.
Yeah, this is old news that, like, I guarantee he wasn't the only corrupt politician during this time.
Stephen actually says that. He says, there's a Varma in your town, in San Francisco, in Chicago, in Dallas.
Have we looked up Stephen's PPP loans?
I haven't yet. That would be a good time to check.
I bet he's got a bit of them.
But yeah, all this to say, just because Varma was a shithead and he had this rules-for-the-not-for-me attitude, it doesn't negate the necessity of those guidelines.
It was a highly transmittable, deadly pandemic.
Yeah. And I'm not going to defend this guy.
No, but that doesn't mean the things that he said.
He shouldn't have been gathering with people.
What he was doing during the gathering is irrelevant.
Yeah. He should have been gathering with that many people because the rule was designed to keep people safe.
And he designed the rule. Yeah.
People might have died because they were having sex parties.
Maybe. Did anyone get COVID from those?
I don't know. Probably. I mean, who knows?
You get COVID at, like, you know, anywhere.
I don't care about Jay Varma.
I don't care. I kind of agree.
Unfortunately, this has been the focus for about a little over a week now.
If somebody said to me, hey, did you know that, you know, the governor was hanging out at a hunting cabin with 20 other people?
I'd be like, all right. Yeah. I didn't do that.
I haven't had COVID. I've never got COVID. Like, it didn't matter when that guy threw a guy through a fucking table.
Yeah, no one cared when Gianforte did a suplex on a guy.
I mean, remember Gavin Newsom had that dinner party maskless and that caused a big stir?
Yeah, that's right. He went to the French Laundry, was that what that was?
I think so, yeah. But by doing this, Stephen, he thinks he's like beating COVID, like beating...
He's not. He's just pointing out that, yeah, there were hypocrites around and cool, man.
Do you want to air your laundry?
Because I bet that you've got a lot of hypocritical shit you do.
Yeah. I'm sure we have clips that show this, but they're using this as like a big old hold you so and we were right about COVID, not about hypocrisy.
And people in power.
You're proving that people in power are dishonest sometimes.
That's all you're proving and nothing more.
In that case, I'm not surprised.
And you're proving that people in power can get laid if they want.
Yeah, they love fucking.
They love it. After all that though, what was on the cutting room floor?
And how are they gonna milk this for all it's worth?
This is how. The new footage that we're going to be showing you tonight, again, this centers around the damage that could be done on a continuing basis.
Imagine if people had known, for example, in the 80s, Fauci's horrible handling of AIDS and incorrect information, if people would have known, he likely wouldn't have been able to do the same damage, for example, with COVID. Horrible handling of AIDS. Horrendous.
Yeah. So the main way that Fauci did damage during his AIDS era, something in the Journal of American Medical Association, the GAMA, that kind of suggested that AIDS was transferable more easily.
Like communicable via air or whatever?
Sure, or sharing a toilet seat with someone who has AIDS. Or just sitting butt to butt.
And this was published in 1983.
Media reports amplifying these claims appeared as early as May, saying, household contacts can transmit AIDS. And that was May 5th in the UPI wire.
And then there's a quote from the Associated Press.
I think it was a headline that says, does AIDS spread by routine contact?
It was May 6th of 1983.
And then on June 26th, so May...
June. Okay, it's like 50 days later.
Is it 50? Yeah, getting there.
Close. Does May have 31?
I don't know. I don't know. Less than two months after his article appeared, Fauci publicly contradicted this, what they're calling an irresponsible claim.
It was in the Baltimore Sun on June 26th.
He said, It is absolutely preposterous to suggest that AIDS can be contracted through normal social contact, like being in the same room with someone or sitting on a bus with them.
The poor gays have received a very raw deal on this.
But yeah, that aside, I feel like it's just his unwillingness to take responsibility for the panic of these statements and how that initially stirred things up.
You know, he didn't apologize for those statements, sure.
And then he had his change of stance.
It's funny because this sounds so familiar.
Changing of thoughts on this undermined public trust.
Sure, yeah. One of my problems I have with this, just kind of line of thinking here, For one, Fauci's not a god.
Nobody cares about Fauci more than people on the right.
They act like we're like praying to him.
People are writing books about him.
It's Fauci time, Miller time style t-shirts.
Yeah, right? It's super stupid.
But here's the thing. When big medical things happen, like AIDS or COVID. You're reacting to real time.
Yeah, you're reacting in real time to what you know.
With information that's available.
Yeah, and you're gonna fuck up.
It's gonna happen. And I think an abundance of caution is always preferable.
Yeah, and the problem is that if you demand answers, you're going to get wrong answers.
Yeah. If you don't demand answers and you say, let's see what's happening, let's do some research, then you're more likely to get...
A lie takes a second, but the truth takes a minute.
You know what I mean? I like that.
I've never heard that before. I like that. It reminds me of how they were upset following the last assassination attempt on Donald Trump that no one was just saying what was obvious.
Yeah. But in this case, they call Fauci reacting quickly an abysmal handling of the AIDS crisis.
Yeah. Of course what happened was a problem.
But imagine Stephen.
Imagine Stephen and Gerald in 1983.
They'd be so anti-all of it.
You know what I mean? Of course. Like they would be on the wrong side of that argument.
They still are, let's be honest.
Yes, they are. But yeah, more from the cutting room floor where Varma decides to make some money in the private sector following his experience.
That's a pun, right? Oh, private sector, okay.
Yeah, that's good.
So in this new footage, this is about the damage potentially moving forward, Varma, you'll see right now, this is the first clip, describes to us how he has since, after being New York's COVID-Zar, moved to the private sector.
Right now, the only way I would go back to the government is if I would get a very high program.
So before I took this current job in the private sector, I got asked to be the state health commissioner for New York.
So, you know, for the state of New York to be the health commissioner.
Yeah. And I was like, you know, I just want to go in.
I've already become that. Yeah.
Thank you very much.
We have to go live in Albany, which is like an upstate New York.
It's a totally crappy town.
So I'm right now, yeah, I'm the chief medical officer of a small pharmaceutical company.
We make drugs for like really rare infectious disease.
And so I spent my career, I worked for the CDC for 20 years.
I kind of lived all over the world doing infectious disease work.
And so this is the first time I've been in the private sector.
It's funny we use that term private sector.
You guys have heard the term swamp, CDC, New York COVID architects.
Now I go work for a company in the private sector.
You know, a small mom and pop shop.
By the way, Albany's gross.
Talk about elitism. Yeah, he's right there, but go ahead.
Yeah. Thanks, Nick.
And Nick would be like, yeah, you're an idiot, dude.
Albany is a crappy town.
Albany does suck. You ever been there? Probably not.
It's bullshit and it sucks.
Oh, man. What thing to worry about?
I don't know. I'm not necessarily...
I guess I have issues and hesitations with the...
A pharmaceutical industrial complex.
Sure. I think that that's reasonable.
I'm not a fan of Jay Varma from Big Pharma.
I thought that that was kind of fun, that no one's talked about that yet.
Varma Pharma? I think they actually mentioned that he's online using the Big Pharma.
Big Pharma, that's a great handle.
Yeah, I guess, I mean, there's reasons to be suspicious of the pharmaceutical industry and the pipeline from government to private sectors.
It's something to pay attention to.
Yeah, I think, if anything, they're accidentally proving that a bunch of money in medicine is a problem.
They think that's a problem, though.
They wouldn't admit that. Like, if they were like, should it be for-profit healthcare?
They'd be like, yeah, of course. Public healthcare?
Fuck that. Yeah, someone's got to get paid.
We need to make money on that.
Varma then goes on to explain that his company was working on an antiviral treatment For monkeypox, and describes how the disease actually works.
This is a longer clip. Honestly, in the United States, the risk is very low.
It's only primarily transmitted among gay men.
It basically got into the sexual networks of gay men, and a lot of gay men have tons and tons of sexual partners, and often don't use condoms, and so as a result, it spreads more.
But it doesn't spread very often.
There is some spread between men and women in Africa, but it's mostly sexual.
And for a disease like this, which kind of gives you ugly rashes all over your body, people will want to get treated.
Yeah, for sure. With COVID, it's a little harder because it's kind of like, oh, it feels like it's cold.
Do I really need a medication?
Yeah. For it to treat this disease.
So it's a virus that you get and it causes bumps all over your body.
Monkeypox. Monkeypox. What's the drug called?
It's called ticovirumab or t-pox is the name of it.
Teapots. Yeah. So they just did a big global announcement about monkeypoxism because there's a bunch of cases in Africa and stuff.
Who did a global announcement?
The World Health Organization did an announcement about a public health emergency.
It's all over the news and stuff.
And they want to stop it from spreading around the world.
So that's going to make people sick because there's going to be other outbreaks of it.
But it's not going to spread among the general population.
It's almost certainly going to stay primarily in monkeypox.
Okay. I'm very comfortable with being around other men, two men and a woman and stuff like that.
I don't actually get... I don't get turned on by other men, but I don't get turned off.
So I've had men kind of play with me and stuff like that, and I feel totally comfortable with it.
And there are times it feels good because there's sort of like a different type of energy, but it's not...
But I have to be in the right mindset.
I have to be... But I'm very comfortable with it, and it's super fun, and it's actually really fun to be with two guys in a way.
It's like super fun. It's really fun and stuff like that.
Yeah. No, it's super fun and stuff like that.
And to also be able to, like, turn somebody on like that.
All right, I'll be telling too much.
Said no heterosexual man ever.
And that's not judging.
I've just never heard a man who likes women described as being played with by another man as fun.
He says it's a different energy. Yes, it's called gay energy.
I love Steven discovering bisexuality.
That there's a spectrum. Yeah, it's incredible.
He's never learned that term before.
Or like hyper-masculinity sometimes presents itself in a way that is...
A little gay.
If he's not judging, I don't know why he left that in or even cut that clip.
Of course he's judging. The entire thing he talked about was that.
He talked about monkeypox a ton.
That's what this whole part two of Varma whatever.
Yeah, but the whole clip. Varmagate.
Before we begin, let's talk about how gay that is.
Yeah, we really do understand his comparison between AIDS and monkeypox.
And I mean, he's not wrong that it was primarily transmitted by gay men.
Men having sex with men or MSM, also mainstream media.
It all circles back to the media.
The thing that he won't understand, which I'm sure we'll talk about as these clips go, is that he just doesn't understand why, how he talks about that it is primarily transmitted by gay men, how he talks about it matters.
Of course it does. Yeah, he doesn't give a shit.
The context in which you relay that information is important.
Of course it is. Because you can't stigmatize homosexuality.
You can't do what you did during the AIDS crisis.
He will. He will.
Of course he will. Monkey Box isn't that fatal, right?
No, it's less than 3% get hospitalized.
Oh, sure, yeah. It's not a terribly...
It's not that big of a deal.
I think it kind of is because of the scarring and the severe pain that comes along with it.
But it's not something that's going to kill you.
It's something that's going to inconvenience you significantly.
And lead to suffering.
This whole thing so far has basically been Stephen saying, Fauci was really rude to gay people in the 80s.
Let me be really rude to gay people now.
Let me step in here. And also, yeah, his oversimplification of transmission is stupid.
Of course it is. And it's crazy to me how Stephen's straight up acting like Not even acting at all like bisexuality exists.
There's a spectrum of sexuality.
Well, play with me.
I've had other men play with me.
Play could also be like in a swinger situation.
Like it could just be the group.
It's like they're playing.
Oh, that's exactly what I get from it.
Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, I think when Stephen heard play with me, he meant like another guy jerking him off or something, touching his dick.
There might be that happening in a swinger situation.
Sure. Absolutely. I think it doesn't matter.
Yes. Yes. Is that a vibe I want?
No. Okay. But, like, I don't care.
I don't care at all. Exactly, because why would you?
Yeah, why would I give a shit about what anyone else does with their dick?
Because COVID! Because COVID! COVID, dude.
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