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Dangerous People and Violence
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| You don't know me, but I'm going to bring you up to speed a little bit. | |
| I have been around not crazy people, but dangerous people for much of my adult life. | |
| As a prosecutor, criminal defense lawyer, and in entertainment in one form or another for, this is my 39th year, from talk radio to TV to radio to internet. | |
| To stand up comedy, to speaking, to whatever you want to call it. | |
| I have met my match. | |
| I have met people that were absolutely positively, dangerously crazy. | |
| People who were incarcerated, people who were ultimately imprisoned, some who lost their personal liberties, some who found themselves in the position of just never coming back from this. | |
| And it's not the crazy part. | |
| The crazy is one thing. | |
| Crazy is easy. | |
| It's the evil, it's the scary. | |
| And Laura Loomer is scary. | |
| Really scary. | |
| I'm not saying that loosely. | |
| You've got to understand this. | |
| You've got to understand this. | |
| I'm very cognizant of terms. | |
| There are people who go up to a certain level and they don't. | |
| How do I say this? | |
| They don't traverse it. | |
| They don't do anything that is illegal, per se. | |
| They might be scary. | |
| They might, you know, but they're not in the dangerous level. | |
| They haven't hit this. | |
| She's hit that. | |
| This is not going to end well. | |
| I've met a lot of folks, and you've met a lot of folks. | |
| Think of anybody you have ever met. | |
| Seriously, ever. | |
| There have been some people, I don't want to mention them, who have really exhibited behavior that's. | |
| Not good. | |
| Recently, there was a fellow on the internet, not going to mention his name, who was suggesting by virtue of his shtick that he was lauding somehow the fact, lauding the idea of perhaps maybe violence being directed at or toward conservative people. | |
| But even that, even though it was over the top and untoward and certainly problematic, it wasn't in that dangerous level. | |
| My alarm didn't go off. | |
| My alarm goes off with Laura Loomer. | |
| What she said recently about Candace, remember, it's not the subject, the racial hatred. | |
| I'm not even going to repeat it. | |
| I'm not going to repeat it. | |
| I'm not going to show it again. | |
| I'm not going to revisit that vileness. | |
| Let me see if I can explain this to you. | |
| It's not what she said. | |
| Apparently, she does not know that in the annals of American entertainment, This reference that she made towards Candace was, of course, one time referenced in a weird way by Don Imus. | |
| And everything that he knew and loved came to a screeching halt, and nothing was ever the same by virtue of this racial epithet, which tripped the wire, the circuit breaker, the third rail. | |
| It was that's it. | |
| Just a word. | |
| But I never thought Don Imus was scary. | |
| I never thought that he was consumed by hate. | |
| He was maybe perhaps inappropriate. | |
| Maybe he didn't realize. | |
| Sometimes, you know, in the world of talk radio, sometimes people are so good. | |
| And one of the reasons why, one of the definitions of being good is that you're so natural, you forget where you are. | |
| And when you forget where you are, sometimes that can be a problem. | |
| So believe it or not, sometimes inappropriate stuff that people have said. | |
| Actually, acts in a way as an indicator of their professionalism. | |
| This is an unbridled, dangerous stalking hate. | |
| When you, if you've ever dealt with stalkers, and believe it or not, when I was a prosecutor, I was to show you how ancient I am. | |
| We, at that time, did not even recognize. | |
| Stalking statutes. | |
| And the law at the time said, listen, if somebody's bothering you, annoying you, or pestering you, as long as they're not physically, you know, touching or hurting you, you really can't, you can't, you know, arrest somebody because they scare you. | |
| You know, what does scared mean? | |
| And that kind of thing. | |
| So it kind of made sense then. | |
| But, but it was something that was beyond anything that we see today or vice versa. | |
| I mean, it was bad. | |
| Well, then, remember this guy Bardo? | |
| Remember my sister Sam? | |
| And then people became aware of the notion of stalking. | |
| But the more I researched it and the more that we found out and the more that we investigated, was that. | |
| The stalking becomes a part of this predation focused, unrelenting, unbridled hatred where there is no, and this is critical there's no, again, circuit breaker. | |
| There's no tripwire. | |
| There's no, wait a minute, hold it. | |
| You know where you catch yourself, where you say, wait a minute, I gotta back off. | |
| I gotta calm down. | |
| All right, that's enough. | |
| You have this, you have an executive center in your brain. | |
| Breaks that are pumped when you know you've gone too far. | |
| And we're seeing more and more of it. | |
| Sometimes people might show it in terms of violence. | |
| You've seen this if you've ever watched any kind of. | |
| If you've ever seen anything involving airport stuff, airport, you know, people who lose their minds at airports. | |
| I mean, we've all gotten mad. | |
| But. | |
| We don't hit that level because there's this, again, there's this circuit breaker, this thing that stops us. | |
| It's in our brain, it's the fact that we're rational. | |
| She does not have that. | |
| Now, granted, the good part is, thank God, we're not seeing violence. | |
| We're just hearing about this. | |
| We're hearing, saying something which. | |
| Is scary because it's into the not only the you might want to call it evil, but it's as close to the notion of psychopath as you can imagine. | |
| As you know, I have said this repeatedly people use the term psychopath, the sociopath, far too often. | |
| They use it far too carelessly and they use it with such frequency that it loses all meaning because people are not psychopaths. | |
| They're just, you know, weird. | |
| Hillary Clinton is not a psychopath. | |
| Erica Kirk is not a psychopath. | |
| No. | |
| And one of the things which is the most representative of the psychopath, of psychopathy, and sociopathy, which is psychopathy, psychopathy is more something you're born with. | |
| Sociopathy is something maybe you become, maybe through some type of trauma or inured insensitivity to rational thought, whatever you want to call it. | |
| But here's the thing, and I know this is drawn out, but this is why I'm very serious about this. | |
| And this is why Laura Loomer poses such a threat. | |
| There is a part of you that controls your behavior, your output. | |
| And it's the head and the heart. | |
| And the head heart connection is what most of us have. | |
| We sometimes have had an absolute, we sometimes despise people. | |
| For whatever reason, whether it's warranted or not, it doesn't matter. | |
| We despise people. | |
| There's that part called the heart where it's emotion and fear and reaction to the thought, hatred, and then hatred, thought, and then you say, you know what? | |
| What if I were to just do this person in? | |
| Your heart. | |
| Says, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. | |
| Again, it's a circuit breaker. | |
| It's this connection. | |
| It's head or heart. | |
| No, When you sometimes give another example, when you see horror and you process it, but there's no reaction, it's like the heart was disconnected. | |
| You have probably not liked people before. | |
| But your heart, your emotion, your morality, your judgment center, whatever you call it, the executive center, we call it the heart, you know, whatever. | |
| It kicks in. | |
| You say, no, I'm not going to do that. | |
| No, I'm not going to stand up. | |
| One of the people sometimes say, well, is that kind of like Tourette's? | |
| And he's like, no, not really. | |
| Not really. | |
| By analogy, it is. | |
| Somebody who feels this. | |
| Reaction. | |
| The thing is that they don't, a Tourette, by the way, this is called coprolalia. | |
| What you're thinking about is when they say something that's, let's say, vicious or inappropriate or profane or obscene, because the other two, the main indicators, they present themselves as either tics and OCD. | |
| The third is coprolalia, the speech part, which people normally mistake as being the predominant. | |
| Characteristic. | |
| But anyway, but you don't ever do this. | |
| You don't sit there and say, like, for example, you don't sit there and say, okay, let's say you don't like somebody. | |
| You don't like Barack Obama, okay? | |
| And you, many people don't. | |
| They don't like his history or his whatever it is. | |
| Well, when people start to write, they will normally say, this is the worst president ever happened. | |
| I don't like your policy, and you have a welfare state, and you're a liberal Democrat. | |
| Okay, fine, And without even thinking, you stop because your rage, not rage, but it goes to a point and it stops. | |
| There's that, again, that circuit breaker. | |
| It stops. | |
| It doesn't keep going. | |
| There's this notion of acetylcholine. | |
| It's this wonderful motion, it's a neurotransmitter. | |
| There's something called acetylcholinesterase, which is in essence the enzyme, so to speak, or the, which, which, which, Basically, it removes it. | |
| It stops it. | |
| It makes, how do I say this? | |
| It makes people stop. | |
| You see what I'm saying? | |
| It makes people stop. | |
| It makes people. | |
| If you didn't have this, you would be basically reaching out and nothing would inhibit your behavior and you would keep moving. | |
| It's this very funny thing. | |
| It's this acetylcholine esterase. | |
| It's this thing which turns off. | |
| A movement. | |
| So you start off as something. | |
| You see what I'm saying? | |
| You start off with something, and then later on, I want to make sure I get the right phrase. | |
| I don't want to give you the wrong neurotransmitter, but I'm correct. | |
| So acetylcholine says it's going to move. | |
| And if you didn't have something to turn it off, you would keep moving forever. | |
| You would lunge in perpetuity. | |
| You would keep lunging out of your chair, out the window. | |
| You would just keep going. | |
| You need something to stop. | |
| That's what most people do when they react. | |
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The Trap of Perpetual Lunging
00:06:45
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| That's when they get mad. | |
| They get upset. | |
| They stop. | |
| Sometimes you might have seen it with somebody who's drunk, somebody who's drunk who is not able to react accordingly. | |
| They're on the phone and they lose it. | |
| They get angry faster. | |
| They repeat themselves. | |
| They kind of perseverate. | |
| It's kind of like that. | |
| But that's inebriety. | |
| That's alcohol. | |
| That's kind of a primitive thing. | |
| What Laura Loomer does is she starts, so she says, Here's Candace Owens. | |
| And I hate her. | |
| Okay. | |
| Hate the way she looks. | |
| Okay. | |
| I hate what she says. | |
| Okay. | |
| I hate her stance. | |
| I hate, she hates Jews. | |
| All right. | |
| I've heard that before. | |
| She's anti Semitic. | |
| Okay. | |
| Every trope, every meme. | |
| All right. | |
| Get it out of your system. | |
| Now her looks. | |
| Her hair. | |
| And I'm not going to repeat this. | |
| Her hair. | |
| Using racial epithets for hair, race. | |
| I mean, I thought the dreaded N word would pop. | |
| Her husband, him, their marriage, their legitimate whatever. | |
| I'm not even going to discuss the subject. | |
| She's not done because what she wants to do is she wants to hurt, she wants to keep going. | |
| To hurt. | |
| She's not done. | |
| There's no tripwire. | |
| The head and heart are not connected. | |
| She's still going. | |
| There's no stopping. | |
| The only thing that stops her when somebody turns the machine off or sedates her or whatever. | |
| This is what makes her scary. | |
| There's no end to this. | |
| Her back is to the wall. | |
| She feels like she's got nothing. | |
| She just lost that Bill Maher suit, which she should have known. | |
| This was ridiculous. | |
| If she ever was serious about this, she'd. | |
| Stop paying attention. | |
| But it might have been a bad day. | |
| It might have been a lot of things. | |
| See, you and I, we have this, I keep saying, this circuit breaker, this thing. | |
| You might, everybody's envious, everybody's jealous to a point. | |
| I wish I had it. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And then you move on. | |
| You don't perseverate. | |
| You don't keep focusing. | |
| You don't fix it. | |
| You don't, it's almost like a predator who keeps going. | |
| And you normally, you may dislike. | |
| Look, I tell people this all the time, and I mean it, and I'm very proud to say it. | |
| I don't hate anybody. | |
| I don't hate. | |
| I don't. | |
| I don't. | |
| There are people that I want to. | |
| I think the world would be better off if they were not here anymore. | |
| And I think we probably agree. | |
| But these are people of notoriety, but not people that I know. | |
| Because they don't. | |
| Because my trip, my thermostat, my fuse, my circuit breaker goes off. | |
| And it doesn't get that far. | |
| Plus, I'm moving on. | |
| She doesn't have that. | |
| This is the closest thing to a psychopath where the head and heart are not connected. | |
| And more importantly, there is no appreciation for consequence. | |
| Let me give you an example. | |
| This is the real part of it. | |
| And please, I hope you don't mind that I'm going on so long, but this means a lot to me. | |
| This is a very serious thing. | |
| I'm not saying this just to. | |
| I'm not saying she's crazy. | |
| This is a different story. | |
| This is different. | |
| You know, Ted Bundy, and I'm not trying to say she's Ted Bundy, but Ted Bundy was not crazy. | |
| Not crazy. | |
| Adolf Hitler was not crazy. | |
| A lot of people were not crazy. | |
| Crazy means you hear voices, you don't know what's going on. | |
| This is a different story altogether. | |
| This is something completely different, completely different. | |
| This is somebody whose judgment, and we use words like evil. | |
| Okay, maybe. | |
| She's evil to people that are in her. | |
| A real evil person, I think, is indiscriminately evil. | |
| They don't like people, they don't see people, whatever. | |
| Hers is a much different story. | |
| They don't have consequence. | |
| Give me an example. | |
| When you, let's say you're at a church and you're in charge of doing the Sunday collections, and you look at a lot of money, a lot of money that you're bringing in, and you think, you know what? | |
| The Catholic Church isn't going to miss this. | |
| I'll take it. | |
| And I'll blame somebody else. | |
| I'll say it was a mistake. | |
| Okay. | |
| Now, even though you would love the extra money, most of us would, we don't even get to that point because of the circuit breaker, the head and the heart. | |
| What does the heart tell you? | |
| First of all, you're an idiot. | |
| You're crazy. | |
| You're going to get caught. | |
| And if you get caught, you're going to lose your job and you are going to lose your status. | |
| You're going to be called the guy who stole from the Sunday collection. | |
| Everything about your life is going to be ruined. | |
| You're going to be hated and loathed. | |
| You'll never, you'll be on probation. | |
| You'll go to prison. | |
| Your family, see what you're doing? | |
| Two things. | |
| You're being prospective, you're understanding consequences, you're seeing the future, and your heart is punctuating this. | |
| Not just, is there going to be, you're going to get caught, but the sting, the ignominy, the The retribution, the fall from grace, the detestation, the. | |
| See what I'm saying? | |
| You're adding to it. | |
| It's more than just a circuit breaker. | |
| It's saying, these are things I feel. | |
| A psychopath doesn't know that, doesn't understand. | |
| This is saying, well, what do you mean? | |
| But you're going to get caught. | |
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Ruined Lives and Consequences
00:06:13
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| Maybe not. | |
| No, but if you're caught, what? | |
| You're going to. | |
| This is where they lose you. | |
| Well, psychopaths, by the way, are very great. | |
| They're heroes. | |
| On battles, they've been incredible. | |
| Sometimes they run out into the middle of the field and I'm hit. | |
| They run out. | |
| They don't think. | |
| There's no consequence. | |
| Terrible chess players. | |
| Terrible. | |
| The idea of being caught, maybe there's always testing. | |
| Laura Loomer has no breaks. | |
| No. | |
| And I don't know. | |
| And you can argue. | |
| I've never met her. | |
| I don't know why. | |
| She's dangerous. | |
| She's very dangerous. | |
| She needs help. | |
| And you may think this is me just being mean. | |
| I mean it. | |
| She seriously needs help. | |
| She doesn't know what she's saying. | |
| She knows what she's saying, but she doesn't know what it means. | |
| You can't say that. | |
| You can say that, but today your life is over if you dare say that. | |
| If you use racial epithets as to a black woman's hair and get, I mean, it's, there's racist. | |
| You know, we use the term, as you know, most of the time, where it's like homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, misogynistic, white, These are anti Semitic. | |
| Most of the time, they're not truly any of those. | |
| Racist is probably the least of which people are really not racist. | |
| They're not racist. | |
| They're not racist. | |
| They're something else. | |
| They're, I don't know what the word is, but they're not racist. | |
| They don't hate black people. | |
| They don't mean, or black people with white people. | |
| But sometimes they'll say something to either make you sting or Or they'll use something as a short hand term, or they'll, but they're really not. | |
| It's a term that is different. | |
| This is a two parter. | |
| Not only was Laura Loomer saying things which can only be construed as somebody who truly understands a racial epithet. | |
| By the way, here's a person who, by the way, who, I keep saying by the way, a person who, who emphasizes so much in terms of this hypersensitivity as to all matters, uh, Semitic, which is fine. | |
| Yet at the same time, Shows a complete and total disconnect as to how do I say this? | |
| A disconnect as to the The meaning of something, the connection to something, the impact, the hurt. | |
| But this is done deliberately to hurt. | |
| This is somebody who says, I am not going to stop unless I don't know what happens. | |
| I am up against the wall. | |
| I have nothing. | |
| Nobody likes me. | |
| In fact, everything she said about Candace, God hates you. | |
| Nobody hates you. | |
| That is projection, pure and simple. | |
| Look, I'm not trying to pretend I'm a shrink. | |
| In fact, most of the shrinks I think aren't shrinks. | |
| I'm telling you, I know what I'm talking about. | |
| I've been around. | |
| I know this. | |
| I've seen this. | |
| This is a rare case. | |
| You don't see this too often. | |
| This woman needs help. | |
| This woman needs help. | |
| And the. | |
| She's going. | |
| Everything that she's doing, the level of attack. Of Candace Owens reminds me of the fatal attraction. | |
| I will not be ignored, Dan, the Glenn Close character. | |
| This is a woman who says, I'm not going to stop. | |
| I'm not going to stop. | |
| You don't understand something. | |
| There is no, I have no brakes. | |
| I have no thermostat. | |
| I have no circuit breaker. | |
| This is one of the sickest things I have ever seen. | |
| I don't know if I've never met her. | |
| Laura Loomer. | |
| I don't know. | |
| There have been some times where I thought she was kind of gutsy. | |
| I thought she was kind of funny. | |
| I thought she was a little ballsy. | |
| I thought her MAGA, you know, was interesting. | |
| I never, you know, I just, nothing she ever said really I thought was dangerous until now. | |
| This is, so if anybody's listening and you're a member of her family or close, I'm not advocating mandatory commitment or arrest. | |
| I don't think she said anything that is. | |
| Criminal, because I hate that hate crime stuff. | |
| I'm sorry, it is hateful, but it's not a crime. | |
| These are words. | |
| They're hateful, they're terrible, they're awful. | |
| But if somebody is listening or who knows her, who cares about her, she needs help. | |
| She needs very, very serious help. | |
| And I think Candace recognizes this. | |
| I think Candace notices that she's going to respond. | |
| She has to. | |
| You have to teach further, future loomers. | |
| You know, teach him a lesson. | |
| But this is something. | |
| I'm going to repeat. | |
| I don't say this often. | |
| I don't use the, you know, I don't say people are crazy. | |
| We use it sometimes as a colloquial, kind of as an idiomatic expression. | |
| But I don't believe that people, for the most part, are crazy. | |
| And I don't believe she's crazy. | |
| This is an obsession. | |
| This is an obsessed, focused, kind of a stalking behavior. | |
| And I'm telling you, and I want you to listen very, very carefully. | |
| This is not going to end well. | |
| Did you hear what I just said? | |
| This is not going to end well. | |