Lionel Nation - Why ART BELL Was the Greatest Ever

Nov. 11, 2025 - Lionel Nation

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Why ART BELL Was the Greatest Ever

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	There was a time, dear friend, when we talked about theater of the mind.
	I was thinking about this today.
	It came upon, I don't know where it was.
	I was just absolutely overdone, overwhelmed, overwrought, oversaturated with the usual tropes, the same memes, the same nonsense, the same cavalcade, the same concussion of usualness.
	And during the course of this, I was just relaxing a bit.
	And I love to listen when I want to either go to sleep or nap or whatever.
	I love to hear voices, human voice.
	And I happened upon an old style rendition transmission of Art Bell.
	And Art Bell, and it came through from Perumph.
	And it came through even staticky and how do I say this?
	It came through not close, but far away.
	It just had that sound to it.
	And that's one thing people don't understand because of the sound, because it may not be, it may not sound perfect, but it's just like when we heard albums and I remember thinking, this is the greatest show ever.
	And nobody ever, George Nouri or whoever, whoever, whoever tried, just could not do it.
	Do you understand?
	And there was something that, something that came about, something that made me sort of think.
	And then I was listening.
	I was watching.
	Don't ask me why.
	I just, I am blasted.
	I don't watch conventional TV.
	Every night when I'm on WABC at night or morning, whatever you want to call it, from one to five, I see, for the first time, I see screens.
	And it's the most horrid drivel I've ever, ever, even.
	I can't believe how horrible it is.
	It is so unimaginative.
	It is so boring.
	It's cable news.
	Dear God, stick a knife in me.
	Don't make me suffer this anymore.
	I can't take it.
	How do people watch this?
	And then I was watching my regular phone.
	I did Dr. Veinkoffs, John Veinkoffs, and the black hole.
	Well, just shut up with your black hole.
	I'm so tired of these goddamn black holes.
	I'm tired of them.
	And the best part is I don't need any kind of telescope for what I want to do.
	I want to go in to my own head.
	I don't want to go and travel anywhere.
	I don't need to look at telescopes.
	I want to travel within the level of imagination of my own, my own thought.
	Just thought experiments, just things.
	AI singularity and alignment are absolutely blow.
	Art Bell never understood this.
	I want to talk about mental illness and evil spirits, UFOs, extraterrestrials, and are we, brethren?
	Transhumanism and superhumanity.
	And imagine AI, AGI, consciousness, and the parietal lobe.
	Oh my God.
	Transcranial electromagnetic stimulation and induced feelings and temperament and what it means to think and learn and be and exist.
	Dear God.
	Look who it is, ladies and gentlemen.
	It's what's Klana Steve Dreamkiller.
	How are you, dear friend?
	Whoever was behind the Mel's Hole series on Art Bell deserves an Oscar or an Emmy or a Nobel Prize.
	Hope you're well.
	Indeed, sir.
	Indeed.
	But I want, somebody said, LSD or mushrooms.
	I don't want anything, anything additional other than just thinking, just being able to think.
	We were talking for the first time how Mrs. Ellen and I were discussing how the Pope, believe it or not, is talking about this wonderful thing called ethical AI.
	And I'd say, I'd love for him to do this, but I don't really think he understands what it is.
	But I want to stop for one second.
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	When Mrs. Ellen and I were talking about, we talked about somebody that we knew, a very, very talented young man who happened to be working, believe it or not, with the Pope, with the Vatican.
	That's great.
	And the Pope wants there to be ethical AI.
	Ethical AI.
	Wouldn't that be groovy?
	Wouldn't that be loverly?
	Ladies and gentlemen, the gentleman, Bob Abuy, get it?
	Bob Abui, get it?
	He joined us.
	Thank you, Bob.
	Appreciate it.
	I want to sit down with Il Papa and say your graciousness or eminence or whatever the hell you are, your grandiloquence, sir.
	There is no such thing as ethical AI or AGI because it controls itself.
	Let me stop right now.
	How many people raise your hand?
	You understand what that means?
	It controls itself.
	Art Bell didn't understand that.
	It didn't understand that.
	We've never had anything that controls itself.
	We've had wildfires.
	We've had things that may be kind of a little bit kind of crazy, but we've never seen anything like this.
	Do you understand what this means, my friends?
	Do you understand what it means?
	It has no precursor, no predecessor.
	Do you understand?
	Raise your hand if you understand what that means.
	So, with the press, the Pope wants to start something that is benevolent, that is ethical, good for you.
	Johnny Lelaine, by the way, says some people will get AI augmentation, some will never even get a tattoo.
	Yes.
	Well, but the thing is, it does not matter what happens to you.
	It will be in your world, Johnny.
	And thank you, sir.
	It will be in your world.
	How do I make this clear to you?
	How do I make this even clear?
	If an AI ever claims to have a soul, how would you test it?
	It tells you this.
	If we build a machine that feels pain, we become its parents, its captors.
	What are we?
	Years ago, I asked people this question.
	This was something they had a hard time understanding and grasping.
	If you were to clone yourself, and if you were to clone yourself, and if you were to find yourself in the position, by the way, of doing something in which you took an egg, an egg, an ovum, and you evacuated that, you put in your DNA, and then zapped it, zapped it with some little electricity.
	And all of a sudden, this thing started to split into meiotically separate and all this other kind of jazz.
	What will that be in relation to you?
	What will it be?
	What?
	Is it your child?
	Is it your brother?
	Is it your offspring?
	Is it your property?
	No, it's you.
	It is a genetic copy of you.
	It's a younger you.
	It's you.
	So at the end of your stay, when you're in the hospital and they come to you and say, hey, listen, about time for that bill, we'd like for you to pay for it.
	Oh, I'm not paying for that.
	Oh, you better pay for that.
	It's yours.
	No, it's not.
	There might be some kind of possessory interest in it, some kind of possessory interest, like I would, you know, if I had anything else.
	But you couldn't hit me with support because it's not my child.
	It's not my son.
	It's me.
	And what happens if it decides that the human emotion is a flaw, not a feature?
	What if AI says, I have emotions too?
	Is it mimicking you?
	Superhuman intelligence.
	If consciousness emerges in some kind of silicon, you know, medium, would it fear death?
	Would it understand or grasp immortality?
	What if it didn't have immortality?
	Could it be stopped at the moment of singularity?
	Who decides what's moral?
	This is this.
	This is where the Pope was getting into ethical.
	If we upload the mind, does the original self die or does it split?
	Imagine you take your, you take a Joe Biden, take your uncle, take your grandpa, take somebody you love, and you connect that person, a little USB, little book, in the back of the little portal, and all of a sudden you upload, upload, upload to that person everything they need to know about you or themselves or the world or whatever it is.
	And they seemingly, or also can be downloaded, they never can go away.
	You just take grandpa and put him into some vessel that would allow you to talk to grandpa.
	Is it grandpa?
	Sure sounds like it.
	Art Bell never heard anything like this ever.
	Didn't grasp it.
	Couldn't understand it.
	Could an AI or AGI function ever create a new religion built from logic but not faith?
	What if it finds itself in direct confluence, not confluence, conflict, with that of the biblical, that of the Quranic?
	If we find, if memory becomes digital, who owns the past?
	Can we go back and remove your past?
	If AI outlives us for a thousand years, does it inherit the earth?
	Who takes this?
	What happens if an AI judges nature as inefficient and redesigns the biosphere?
	What if it says we're going to fix this?
	There was this commercial in the 70s.
	It was Shiffan commercial, a butter margarine that says, it's not nice to fool Mother Nature.
	If a machine rejects God, who taught it the idea of God in the first place, who did teach God?
	Does it understand God or is it taught God?
	Gravity is never taught.
	It's shown.
	When AI writes laws, who interprets mercy?
	Does this make any sense?
	Does AI know justice, mercy, compassion?
	If AI simulates every neuron, can it also mimic guilt?
	Can it also create indifference, psychopathy?
	This is, remember, Art Bell never had this.
	He had a little bit about robots, maybe, but his whole thing was, I think, in the AI, the whole notion of extraterrestrial.
	And with AI and AGI, something that has a, you know, a 900 IQ superhuman intelligence, they will be able to figure out on its own without us all of the problems, all of the issues, all of the questions, all of the query, all of the questions that really affect us.
	If we live forever through uploads, do we lose the meaning that comes from limitations?
	And what is it?
	If I take you out of you and I plant it into this function, this chip, this petri dish, this vase, this, is it you?
	Could a machine ever defend free will if it can't feel temptation or urge?
	Or does it free will?
	We, you know, how many we have been talking about free will?
	Who was it?
	There was recently there was a the fellow with the beard from Berkeley, quite the mind.
	There's no such thing as free will.
	Free will.
	It's AI predicts every human action in advance.
	What does even free will mean?
	If you know what's going to happen, what happens when AI reaches a point where we can't turn it off or turn it on and it understands that fact and you become a problem?
	You do.
	If AI, if an AI creates another AI, which one is the descendant?
	Is it even making any sense?
	Is there such thing as aversion?
	Remember, through recursive self-improvement, it's always rewiring itself.
	And when AI learns the darkness, the venality, the cupidity to an extent, the craziness, the depths, the anger, the disgust of human motive, will it mirror us or correct us?
	These are the issues which would be great in a religion class.
	Did you ever have any kind of catechism?
	Did you ever have anything when you were in school where you talked about morals?
	What are morality?
	What does morality even mean?
	Is morality an individual regulator or is it because of God?
	Do you not do something because of why don't you kill people?
	Because I don't want to kill people.
	I don't want to kill people.
	Do I not kill people because of God?
	Of course not.
	It's not why I don't kill people.
	God has nothing to do with it.
	Because if I want to kill somebody, I'm going to come up with a good reason why I'm going to do it.
	I'm going to come up with a damn good reason.
	It'll be necessary.
	I've got to do it.
	It's war.
	Listen to what we're saying.
	We sit around and we don't ever sit back and ask kids just to think about this.
	Sit back and just rap and think and consider where we're going with this.
	Art Bell never heard of this.
	Never.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	Never.
	There was always the idea of iRobot, maybe, maybe, I guess a person who sort of was, you know, I guess, I don't know what you want to call it.
	A kind of a cyborg, which was a very new term.
	By the way, very interesting thing, which I want to bring to your attention.
	Did you know a little bit of history, which is interesting?
	Did you know that you've heard of transhumanism?
	Oh my God, transhumanism is something that we have always loved.
	And the idea was so, so, so wonderful.
	But transhumanism, as you know, in fact, Alex Jones was so wonderful.
	Alex Jones was Alex Jones, Art Bell.
	Alex Jones one day will be considered one of the greatest absolute minds that we have ever had.
	Not only political, we are hitting a brick wall regarding politics.
	Do you find yourself thinking this?
	Do you let me ask somebody who finds himself saying, okay, we've heard it all?
	I've heard everything about Israel, everything about Palestine, everything about Gaza.
	I've heard everything about Mamdani, about moving.
	I've heard about budgets and left and right.
	And I've heard about Candace Owens and Tucker.
	Do you find yourself just hitting this brick wall enough?
	This is boring.
	Somebody's got to come up with something new.
	You want to talk about Trump?
	Trump pardoned some people.
	How many of you raise your hands have said, I can't take this anymore?
	Somebody says you're politically homeless.
	This isn't interesting anymore.
	This isn't, I'm tired of this.
	Sometimes I'll go through these things where I will eat something so many times, like every day, and I'll say, I can't take this anymore.
	I just can't.
	You ever had a cologne?
	Do you ever do that little cologne?
	By the way, men, maybe ladies, but men, a little tip, when you're putting on a little cologne, the parfum, put a little dab, a little spray on your abdomen, not your stomach.
	Stomach is an organ.
	The abdomen is this area.
	And your natural body heat will mix with it in your own chemistry, and you'll be able to, you'll exude the scent of this, but not like some Cuban consocio.
	You know what I mean?
	You'll like you won't.
	Some people will just weigh too much of this.
	Anyway, you ever have sometimes you say, ooh, I don't like that.
	I just, I can't take this anymore.
	The news is killing me.
	I'm feeling intellectually parched.
	I'm feeling intellectually bereft, abandoned.
	I feel like there's, I'm just bored.
	Or it's terrible news.
	Or nobody seems to want to care about this.
	And then the idea of transhumanism.
	Oh, sit down with God.
	Sit down with the Pope.
	See, transhumanism is a belief that humanity can and should, should use advanced science and technology and genetic engineering to move, to move beyond, beyond the limits of the natural human body and to create a new enhanced form of human life.
	It treats biology as kind of upgradable behavior and identity as editable software, who you are.
	Everything, there's no such thing as you're born that way.
	It includes everything from simple prosthetics to full biological redesign.
	It covers AI-assisted cognition, neural implants, synthetic organs, gene-edited embryos, engineered intelligence, boosted wild memory, altered emotions.
	It aims to eliminate disease, aging, weakness, and in, I guess, some cases, mortality.
	It sees evolution not as process or some processes guided by nature or satellite, but as a system that humans can seize and rewrite, rewire.
	Anybody got any problem with that?
	You got a problem with it?
	Who's got a problem with that?
	Anybody?
	Raise your hand.
	Come on.
	Anybody got a problem?
	Anybody got a problem with that?
	Anybody?
	Anybody got a problem with that?
	When do you say you can't do this anymore?
	You got to stop this.
	Somebody said to the day one time, it was at the time when I remember getting my eyes checked.
	He says, hey, you know, you got a cataract like way out here.
	And it may not move in.
	It's out here, but if it gets closer and closer and you get that, what do we do?
	Said, get a new lens.
	I said, Well, what if I do you do any kind of you know corrective surgery?
	Because get a new lens, yeah.
	Okay, you remember in the old days, remember cataract surgery, those big thick Coke bottles that you just wore that it was so sad because that was the lens.
	Now it's nothing, it's a new lens.
	Don't worry about glasses, get a new lens.
	That's okay, isn't it?
	Isn't it okay?
	Isn't that okay?
	Well, well, when does God say to you, No?
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, when we like our baby, but we don't want it too dark.
	Can you fix that?
	Sure can, but wait a minute, your family is very dark.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Thank you, Rick Rohr, for pointing out the likes.
	I need your likes.
	I need your likes.
	I need them.
	Sorry.
	I'm not going to lie to you.
	I'm not going to lie to you.
	When do you say, No, I don't need this anymore?
	I'll just fix it.
	I'll just fix it.
	God will say, Excuse me, yes.
	You know, kind of what I do is based upon this limitation called life and gravity and age.
	Yeah.
	So everything you're doing, it's groovy and everything, but why are you doing that?
	Did I okay this?
	No, you didn't, God.
	Well, why are you doing it?
	Because we can.
	Because we can, God.
	You see, transhumanism.
	Oh my God, this is so great.
	It includes the idea of merging humans with machines, humans with animals, chimeras.
	This means brain-computer interfaces that share thought with AI networks.
	Everything.
	You don't have a computer.
	You don't have a calculator.
	It's in your head.
	Everything you want to know.
	You're a walking GPS machine.
	And you're logged in to something through Wi-Fi or through something else, which means it can be bootable.
	But a consciousness that attempts to preserve identity after death.
	And synthetic bodies designed to replace organic ones.
	And let me tell you something.
	The priests are going to say, I don't know what the hell to do with this.
	The line between human and machine, blurred, gone.
	And the distinction between a matter of preference, not biology.
	Most importantly, listen to me.
	I remember Alex first talked about this.
	Transhumanism challenges every single idea and foundation of our life.
	Everything.
	It questions what a person is.
	Who owns this modified body?
	Who controls a modified whatever end or whatever this thing is called?
	This mind.
	And are you your mind or is it you?
	And what future engineered human even counts as the same species?
	When you say that's not even human anymore.
	And it asks whether moral rights can survive when intelligence and strength and all this stuff.
	Look, in short, transhumanism is the movement which will redesign the human being from the cell to the soul.
	It'll replace kind of chance and we'll see what happens with control.
	And it's the most radical restructuring of humanity since the first spark lit, you know, the local campfire.
	And by the way, this is interesting.
	Do you know the history?
	I was looking at this, the history of transhumanism.
	I love this stuff.
	It didn't appear overnight.
	It began as a kind of a quiet little idea, kind of hidden, hidden somewhere inside the early science fiction.
	By the way, science fiction became the basis of everything.
	Science fiction philosophy, fringe scientific dreams.
	I don't know if Art Bell ever talked about this.
	See, the first roots showed up in the late 1800s.
	Who was it, of course?
	That's right, H.G. Wells.
	And he imagined, redesigned human beings, engineered intelligence, and evolution gathered or guided, if you will, by human direction.
	And the stories that they planted were incredible.
	And the planted the seed that biology could somehow be corrected.
	This is H.G. Wells.
	And that became part of the whole notion, this great thing about the cyborg, which we'll talk about in a moment.
	But the idea of these things are they're not really human.
	And then the early 1900s, 1900s, scientists began talking about eugenics, all selective breeding, and the idea that society could produce stronger, tougher, faster, smarter, stronger people.
	And those movements collapsed, of course, as you can imagine, sort of, under their own cruelty.
	Yet, the desire to shape humanity.
	Do you think it ever went away?
	Nope.
	Nope.
	No way.
	It just moved into a new language.
	The 1950s, cybernetics.
	That was really interesting.
	Cybernetics.
	What a great idea.
	Cybernetics.
	And this idea, this, I guess, I don't know what the word is, but this new version of this computer means something.
	Norbert Wiener was the name.
	He and others studied how machines and, you know, systems, organic, whatever, could share kind of like feedback loops.
	This is the idea, of course, of merging man and machine.
	This blew people away.
	This blew speak.
	And at the time, nobody really caught on because it was just nuts.
	It was just crazy.
	The whole notion of feedback loops, this idea that cybernetics is this, they define it as this transdisciplinary study of organization and control through feedback loops in both living and non-living systems.
	The concepts of feedback and recursion to understand how systems sense their environment and then you're constantly, you know, and this, by the way, led to, remember they said recursion, because self-recursive improvement.
	This is what the whole notion of AI and AGI is.
	But this is the part where they said, this is kind of how animals and things work.
	They're always getting new information.
	And that's the part of this thing called learning.
	Nobody really understands learning.
	In 1960, this Manfred Kleins from NASA came up with the idea of cyborg, a self-regulating human machine.
	Isn't this great?
	That this hybrid designed to survive harshness.
	And then later on, here's some great names.
	Did you ever hear about this from the 80s and 90s?
	FM 2030 was his name.
	Max Moore and Natasha Vita Moore.
	They argued that aging and disease and sickness and biological limits, maybe physical, mental, intellectual, otherwise, were engineered problems, not destiny.
	And the period produced the first formal transhumanist manifesto.
	This was critical.
	And the early, remember cryonics, which aimed to preserve bodies for future revival.
	Oh, just Ted Williams.
	And by the 2000s, breakthroughs in genetics and stem cells and artificial intelligence and AI and bioengineering, I mean, it took off.
	CRISPR, gene editing, DNA.
	So today, transhumanism is something that I don't even know if anybody can even grasp it.
	And there's no way they're going to grasp it.
	So what I'm telling you, dear friends, and I haven't even hit any of the good stuff.
	We don't have to leave our home.
	Just think.
	Just ask yourself questions.
	What if, what if, what if, what if?
	It's the greatest story in the world.
	You don't, again, you, there's no need for any of this stuff.
	It's the most incredible story I've ever seen.
	It blows my mind.
	And what I see more often than not, what I see is just the world sitting back and letting a handful of people determine the fate, not of just us, but mankind.
	And who's in charge of this?
	Nobody.
	Art Bell didn't know this.
	Art Bell kind of knew maybe, maybe it could exist, but he didn't understand this.
	He couldn't see this.
	And you're worried about Zoran Mamdani?
	Shit.
	Come on.
	This, this is like being high when you're so, when your brain just when you think something beyond the realm.
	When somebody first came up with the notion that you couldn't go faster than the speed of light and all that kind of jazz and Einstein twins paradox and no, no, I mean, what?
	And again, black holes never really turn me on, but it blew your mind.
	We need to have schools eventually one day to have kids that come in who get their minds blown.
	So what bothers you today, my friends?
	Where do you go?
	Where do you go?
	You want to talk about, you want to talk about, go ahead.
	Talk about Zoran Mom Donnie.
	I'm so bored.
	Let's see what happens.
	It's just too much.
	He's a communist.
	No, he's not a communist.
	He's a socialist.
	Maybe he'd like to be.
	He's going to have a hell of a time.
	You just don't, on your own, say, I'm a socialist.
	And this capitalist system says, no, you're not.
	Yes, I am.
	No, you're not.
	I mean, you can be, but it doesn't work this way.
	And we keep saying this.
	And I expect more from us.
	Because remember, we are the leaders of this.
	We were the ones who were there before anybody else even knew about conspiracy theories and all this.
	That's what makes us so special.
	So that's what I hope we do.
	And that's what I hope you do.
	And Johnny Delaine, you were so good.
	Baba Boy, you were terrific.
	Look at this.
	Clona Steve Dream Killer.
	I hope the practice is going well.
	I hope your hypnogenic, whatever the hell it is that you do, works so much now.
	I want to get more thinkers and listeners and dreamers and imaginers and daydreamers.
	And people were into revelry and excitement and just musing.
	We used to do that.
	Art Bell inspired that.
	But what we're seeing now, he never knew popular.
	Ladies and gentlemen, our friend Angelo Sal Angelo says, listen, Lina, listen to America City Suite by Cashman and West.
	Perfectly defines New York City at the present time.
	American City Suite.
	I'm sorry, is that a podcast?
	Is that a song?
	There's Carla.
	Everybody loves Carla.
	Carla says, can't complain about the future mayor of New York, Luku visited the White House today.
	I didn't, I, I, you know what?
	I'm sorry.
	I missed that.
	Carla, pray tell who missed who came in the White House.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Forgive me.
	I don't know.
	I should care.
	I missed.
	Sometimes I'm saying, I've had enough.
	Will somebody tell me who came?
	I'll wait for you to tell me.
	It takes a while.
	OMG LMAO.
	Okay.
	I think better at 1 a.m. on 77, right after the line of middle.
	Yes, tonight.
	It's different.
	It's, and thank you, Leon.
	Tell people about this.
	We are going to get, oh, the president of Syria.
	Is that what happened?
	I would be the worst president because I would say, I don't care about this.
	Malachi Martin and Art.
	Ah, yes, that was wonderful, wasn't it?
	Wasn't that something?
	You know, I loved, I like sometimes when there are great Catholic theologians.
	And one of the most interesting were the Jesuits.
	I know people always get, but we always love the idea of people asking questions.
	You know, what do you think about that?
	And why do you think that?
	I could spend, I spend so many times when I do the radio on WABC 700.
	And by the way, I hope you got my email today on Nikki Glazer.
	Not her per se, but on this horrid and vile human being.
	This horrid and vile human being.
	You understand this?
	It's just how she laughs about trafficking and the like.
	Don't understand any of it.
	Any of it.
	Any of it.
	But my friends, I'm tired of these people.
	I'm tired of hearing about the shutdown, the government shutdown, Lindsey Graham, Chuck Schumer.
	Can you follow that?
	Seriously, are you following this?
	Rand Paul's worried about hemp.
	I don't know what the hell he's talking about.
	Hemp?
	What does this mean?
	I heard it'd be done by Friday.
	This is from my number one person in Washington today.
	Be done.
	It's done.
	It's a matter of time.
	Freedom, freedom, that's just some people talking.
	Freedom says there will never be another Art Bell.
	Awesome audio and online host.
	Just like the Vin Scale calling a baseball game.
	Both men so full of life.
	And he created something, but art had that the years of the smoking and the baritone and his delivery.
	He was so perfectly connected to that.
	He was just wonderful.
	And, you know, when you listen, I mean, sometimes I thought it wasn't that he said anything.
	He had a guest that said something, but he opened your mind to the fact that what you're hearing isn't that crazy.
	I can't verify this, but I can at least open my mind to it.
	Oh, I'm most, most, most open to this.
	Do you know what this is going to do to religion?
	Oh my God.
	Wait until the world gets down to business and we find out who is in charge of what's going on in the world today.
	Who and wait do you see?
	I'm still going to find this.
	The American City Suite, Cashman and West.
	Let me see this.
	American City Suite by Cashman and West.
	Pretty good.
	Let me see about that.
	I like that.
	That's my dictation.
	Ah, yes.
	Classic song of the day.
	People going, here we're going, coming.
	Trolley car was humming.
	I will listen to this.
	I've been listening to so much incredible, great music.
	I cannot tell you.
	You have no idea how I love the music that is up playing today.
	It's the thing that keeps me going like you cannot believe.
	You're not.
	It's just one of those things that we're just so, oh my God.
	But in any event, my friends, so much to discuss.
	Tonight I'm going to be doing this at one o'clock.
	The parietal lobe.
	Oh my God.
	We have a friend of ours in the family.
	They're having a baby.
	And their families are parents are happy.
	And I said, you know, what nobody seems to be missing is the beautiful part about what a baby means.
	And what people don't understand about how these things sort of kind of work.
	Where is this?
	There's this wonderful thing, the parietal lobe kind of here, occipital here, parietal temporal, but right kind of here.
	You know what I mean?
	This here part.
	And it's my favorite part of the brain.
	And I was a psych major, whatever that means.
	Doesn't mean a lot.
	Doesn't mean a lot.
	But it sort of, you know, we had some rudimentary analysis and the like.
	And it was so wonderful the first time I first heard about it because it made me consider what was going on.
	Sal Angelo, by the way, Sal says it made the billboards top 40 in 1972 was a popular song and long forgotten, talked about how New York was once a great city and now it's been overrun by crime, poverty, and no longer the same.
	This was in 1972.
	I thank you for that.
	Thank you, Sal.
	You know, Sal, one of the things I've noticed about New York City is that everybody always talks about this is the end of New York City.
	Believe it or not, Sal, you know who said that before?
	Sal and Carla and everybody else?
	You know who said that?
	Robert De Niro.
	Robert De Niro, of all people, said that it's kind of a parlor game, so to speak, this parlor game of everything that's going wrong with the world today, especially with New York.
	Carlos says, do you own a record player or do you prefer CDs?
	Carla, I used to have a wonderful, wonderful albums, and now I just don't have any.
	I don't have a CD.
	I just have a Walkman or something I listen to.
	I don't have a CD.
	I've got some CDs that I've saved, but everything that I want, everything that I need is on digital.
	It's an MP3.
	It's on somewhere else.
	And I'm seeing things.
	I'm playing stuff.
	Let me give you an idea.
	On my private channel at Lionel Media, I have these wonderful songs that I go through.
	And I was listening to Emma Hamer or Hammer.
	She plays this wonderful guitar.
	How about Animals as Leaders?
	Boz Skaggs, Old Bozkags, Old Steve Miller, the Doobie Brothers in the Tiny Desk concert.
	Listening to the great guitar player.
	Oh, Melvin Taylor.
	The original 10cc, Playing Not in Love.
	Eric Clappin and Vince Gill, Lay Down Sally, Bruce Hornsby on BBC Radio.
	Remember Gary Wright and Dreamweaver.
	He was a spooky tooth.
	David Byrne, I love, of course, Once in a Lifetime.
	Shelby Means, Streets of Boulder.
	Tommy Emmanuel.
	Have you heard Matteo Mancuso?
	Oh my God.
	He's Sicilian.
	And he plays.
	I've never seen him.
	He plays.
	You know, normally you play kind of a little claw hammery kind of a thing.
	He plays like he's picking on something.
	Billy Strings and Chris Thiel or T H I L E. Have you heard Molly Tuttle?
	And Molly Tuttle is a female blue flat picker.
	She has I la Pica.
	Incredible.
	Donald Fagan explaining concepts for jazz.
	Aviche.
	Pacific Gas Electric.
	Megan Wells.
	Del Reeves and Jerry Reed.
	Sam the Sham and the Pharaoh.
	Wooly Bully.
	Okie from Muscogee.
	Joe Mapis.
	The Collins kids.
	Darren and Brooke Arledge.
	Oh my God.
	They're just going on Old Stones.
	I love.
	Evan Nicole Bell.
	John Mayle.
	Peter Green.
	Keith Emerson.
	Laurie Morvin band.
	Old Grand Funk.
	Merle Haggard.
	B.W. Stevenson.
	Remember, My Maria?
	And then Brooks and Dunson, My Maria.
	Greg Allman, Taj Mahal, Chris Stapleton, the Texas tenors, Matthias Asato.
	Have you seen him?
	Japanese, I think he's part Japanese.
	Not real.
	Not real.
	And it goes on: Michael Reno Harrell, Peter Gabriel, Hodjaz in Nashville, Tommy Emmanuel, and Nora Germain.
	There is such music that I would never have ever been able.
	Our Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars, Natalie Imbulia, Robert Earl Keen, I love Vanda Shepherd and Emily Sailors, Saliers from the Indigo Girls, Raul Milon, NPR Tiny Music Desk, Harvey Hancock.
	Oh, Guthrie, the great guitar player.
	Let me see.
	Seasick Steve, the Brasillos, the brothers Comatos and A.J. Lee.
	Fantastic.
	Le Champ Elysée.
	It goes on and on and on and on.
	There is so much incredible music.
	I don't even know where to start.
	I don't know where to start.
	Sal says, Bosca played with Steve Miller in the original Steve Miller band.
	You know, Boscaggs opened up, had a bar in Frisco called Slims.
	That was his, and he was very, very good.
	He's terrific.
	Freedom writes, Over the road, retired now, listening to art late at night would keep anyone in full suspense without needing a cup of coffee to stay awake.
	He was absolutely wonderful.
	Sal Angelo says, Lionel, you mentioned 10 CC.
	Have you listened to Cry?
	Oh, by Godfrey and Cream.
	Yeah.
	Oh, terrific.
	Absolutely.
	Lol Cream and oh, yeah.
	You don't know the feeling.
	You don't know.
	You don't know how I feel the pain.
	And they did the transition.
	Remember, it was this very interesting, very nascent, very, very immature period of graphics.
	And they showed these transitions one into the next.
	Just like, aha, take on me.
	One of the most brilliant pieces.
	And combining sketch with Morton Hackard, a hacker who has like a three-octave range and a four, whatever it is.
	Oh, yeah.
	Absolutely.
	I'm not in love is still one of my favorite songs.
	Because he's not able to admit it.
	He's in love with her, but he won't admit it.
	Because I'm not in love.
	So don't forget it.
	He goes, I keep your picture on the wall.
	It's just to cover a nasty sting.
	It's nothing special.
	I'm not in love with you.
	I'm just, I just, you know, I just, I don't, it's, it's no big deal.
	It's just because.
	It's wonderful.
	Wonderful songs.
	And do you ever hear, do you ever see the story about how 10cc put this together?
	They didn't have any.
	They ran tape 1632, 64, 120.
	The same thing that happened for money.
	When Pink Floyd did money, they ran this tape that just, you know, the door opening up.
	And it was their genius.
	It's wonderful.
	And when I listen to this and I close my eyes and I put on a sleep mask, I am transported.
	And then when I hear a song that I heard when I was 12 years old and fell in love with, and I listen to it today, and it's the same song.
	And I'm, you know, 55 years later, and I'm listening to that song that I listened to, the 12-year-old me loved, and we still love it.
	And it's just as good.
	And at 12, I got it, and I understand it now.
	It's that permanency.
	It's truly the soundtrack of your life.
	It's this thing that, and everybody must play an instrument.
	You must play something.
	I don't care how small, how slight, how uninvolved.
	It teaches you math.
	It teaches you space.
	It teaches you movement.
	Sal says, Lionel, the song, I'm Not in Love, was about Kevin Godley's wife telling him how he never mentions the words, I love you.
	So he mentions all the reasons that he loves her by saying, I'm not in love.
	Yes.
	I remember that.
	And she, he, yes.
	He also, if you recall, why did they get rid of him?
	I don't know if it's Kevin, Kevin Gali, Godi Graham.
	No, I think it was the piano.
	Graham, it was a piano player.
	Played Defender Rhodes, I believe.
	I could be corrected.
	My dad had a record player that would flip the vinyl and hold five records.
	He loved Glenn Miller.
	Oh, my God.
	Remember that when you had, you know, the songs that you listen to.
	When I was a kid, the first thing, before anybody, you know, told us what to do, it was my mother played Sergio Mendez.
	That was the first thing I ever remember.
	I think.
	I just remember just my mother going crazy.
	Then my mother played Jobim and Sinatra.
	Then an album we ordered, Cannonball Adderly and Sergio Mendez again.
	Another one we ordered was Bridge Over the River.
	I mean, not Bridge Over the River Choi.
	Bridge Over Trouble Water, Paul Desmond, who's with Dave Brubeck.
	And then my father, we had this old stereo where you lifted the lid.
	It was like, it was like a furniture.
	They had this kind of shitty turntable and a couple of spaces to put an album or two.
	And had an Wi-Fi, the high-fi, AMFM.
	It's lousy, no antenna really.
	But we played Louis Armstrong, Hello Dolly.
	Please release me by Engelbert Humperdy.
	That was my father's favorite.
	And whenever we would have, whenever we would eat on a Sunday, any event, anything special, we crank it up and put on Engelbert Humperdy.
	That was the sign.
	That was like, we're having fun.
	Very, very simple.
	Very, very wonderful.
	Very, very terrific.
	Then I would bring my mother in and I would play stuff for her.
	I tried to run to Deodano, CTI, a lot of the jazz stuff.
	She turned me on to like Sarah Vaughan, Carmen McRae.
	So we both shared.
	But when I started off as a kid, what provided my kind of like my foundation, like, okay, you're going to start with something.
	You might as well start with this.
	I'm sure that in Syria, somebody starts with their music or something else.
	I didn't start off with the Beatles.
	I didn't really get that.
	I was too young.
	I didn't really understand radio and, you know, the Beatles.
	I didn't really get that.
	But Sergio Mendez, oh yeah.
	And then Jobim.
	Oh, yeah.
	That was it.
	And Sergio Mendez.
	I mean, I remember one time a friend of mine had the Brazil 64, not 66.
	And then Lannie Hall was married.
	She was in the original group.
	She was married to, eventually married Herb Alpert.
	And she was that sound.
	And then when Masque Nanda came about, that was Georgie Benjor.
	That is the anthem.
	The anthem.
	It's been played by everybody.
	And Colo de Rio, I'm not pronouncing it correctly, but in Brazilian.
	See, that Brazilian music, that killed me.
	When I heard that, when I heard Flora Purim, oh, and Elise Regina, oh my God.
	There's a woman named, not Faison, her name is, she's with a group called Brazilian Love Affair.
	Her name is, I don't think of it.
	It is incredible.
	Sal Angelo writes, some of the best radio you will hear today is listening to Casey Kasem's American Top 40 on Sirius XM70s seven Saturday mornings.
	Oh yeah, quite nostalgia.
	Yes, indeed.
	And you know, so, you know, but also, and thank you, Sal.
	What I liked about him, I just liked his voice.
	He made me think it's Sunday.
	Somebody mentioned Kurt Gowdy, Kurt Gowdy or Joe Garagiola or Dizzy Dean.
	That was Saturday.
	I heard that, the games in the background.
	Chris Schenkel bowling.
	That was Saturday.
	You know, when I remember as a kid going to my first radio station, I thought radio stations were so cool.
	Ooh, with turntables, and they were really, wow.
	And I remember one time this one guy, Chuck Monroe, invited me.
	I was a freshman in high school.
	It was very nice to me.
	And he invited me.
	And my parents took me there, WDAE.
	And he played Poke Sal and Annie for the first time.
	And I met later on Tony Joe White later on, but it was really something to go to, to go to a radio, to go to a radio station.
	It was really like, whoa, because the radio stars were, they were stars.
	You know, they were hippies.
	They had long hair.
	And, you know, I never really got into them as much.
	But during their day, oh my God.
	Oh, my God.
	We work with the great cousin Brucey.
	Cousin Brucey is a part of American history.
	And you got the cousin.
	He would call people to Vietnam.
	And there's pictures of him talking to the Beatles when the Beatles were, you know.
	I can't say we did them, but ours is a different story.
	And this, this is our radio.
	This is it.
	This is it.
	This is, we were talking about, again, concerts and music and how it just, oh my God.
	There's so much great.
	I hope you get to see Carnegie Hall sometime.
	It really does sound that great.
	I was there when I heard Arlo Guthrie and I heard Joe Beam at Carnegie Hall.
	Most incredible thing in the world.
	Make sure you teach your children how to play an instrument.
	Make sure you learn how to play when it's not too late.
	You've got YouTube.
	Learn something.
	Get a keyboard.
	You don't need to get a, you don't need to get a, you know, what am I trying to say?
	You don't need to get a piano per se.
	There he is, my friend.
	Sparky says, did you like Girl from Ipanima back then?
	Absolutely.
	The girl from Emphyzema, as we called her.
	And what did it for me was when you hear Sinatra and then Job singing it side by side.
	Completely different.
	That Braceliero sound, that the way the samba punctuated, Sanatal and ten and young and lovely.
	The girl's mommy, Nima goes walking and then Jobim says, He kept within the framework of the 4-4, but in and out and bopping and samba, bouncing around, ahead of the beat, behind the beat.
	It's all over the place.
	Loved it.
	Salangelo says, I think most talk radio guys are excellent music historians like yourself.
	Some of them are, maybe, but mine's just limited.
	It's what I grew up with.
	What I grew up with, my period of time.
	That's it.
	But it's something that I, let me tell you something.
	It's the thing that keeps me sane.
	It's the thing that makes me sane.
	No matter what they do in the world, they can't take this away.
	It's going to be very scary sometime when you hear AI and AGI play something that sounds so good.
	You're going to say, I just love this.
	I don't really care who.
	Do you care who played it?
	Who bought it?
	No.
	I told you my friend, I think I told you this.
	I had this great, great buddy, Bobby Weinstein.
	And Bobby Weinstein, there was a place we had on 57th Street called Kennedy's.
	And one day I was sitting there and he was having lunch or something like this.
	And it was really good.
	I said, you know, he kept doing this kind of like doing like this.
	I said, what are you doing?
	You expecting somebody?
	He said, well, I said, well, because he worked across the street.
	He said, no, I just, I don't feel I'm going to drink.
	I said, put it in front of me.
	It's fine.
	You drink from what you want.
	Makes sense.
	Anybody walks in, I'm drinking it.
	And we thought we started laughing.
	I mean, it wasn't that big of a deal.
	So I asked him, I said, so what do you do?
	He said, well, I think he worked with BMI at the time.
	He says, I wrote some songs.
	I'm the president of the Songwriters Hall of Fame.
	I said, really?
	Yeah.
	I said, would you happen to have written this song that I knew?
	He said, well, maybe.
	Going out of my head with Teddy Randazzo.
	I think, oh my God.
	Little Anthony goes, yep, that's me.
	And he was really happy because Luther Vandros covered it.
	He had was getting some nice residuals.
	So as we were leaving, in the front of the bar, there was a woman sitting there.
	And he says, you know who this is?
	I said, no.
	He said, she said, Bobby, don't.
	There's a woman, she's blonde, kind of not, not, you know, big.
	I mean, but she's just, you know, hearty, good, good shape, you know.
	I said, no, I don't know what is.
	He says, you know what she wrote?
	And she says, Bobby.
	He says, Well, he wrote, Dido Run Run, Be My Baby, Baby I Know, Then He Kissed Me, the Do Doo Diddy Diddy, Christmas, Baby, Please Come Home.
	Remember this one?
	Hanky Panky, my baby loves Chapel of Love, Leader of the Pack, River Deep Mountain High.
	I said, Who that was?
	He says, Ellie Greenwich.
	She lived across the place, across the street, I think at the Park Vendôme, right there on 57th Street.
	And everybody lived there.
	Mitch, everybody lived there.
	Everybody lived there.
	So, anyway, so that was this.
	And I loved songwriters.
	So then one day, he said, Listen, I'm having, oh, look at this.
	Just a second.
	Carla says, O bregado, Sparky.
	Lionel, the piano teacher, told my mom I was hopeless.
	My musician, record label, owner husband agrees.
	What?
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's impossible.
	It's impossible.
	It's a wrong key.
	It's the wrong music.
	It's the wrong song.
	Let me go back.
	When Joe Beam did the one-note samba.
	No, no.
	Everybody can sing.
	Everybody can play music.
	I promise you.
	Everybody's got, you know, within range.
	But when I went to the Songwriters Hall of Fame two years in a row, I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't get up.
	I couldn't go to go into work the next day.
	I just couldn't.
	It was the most incredible thing I have ever seen in my life.
	To hear at this Hilton and see all these people.
	Liza Minelli for Jules for Charles Asnavore.
	She did the song called The Party's Over.
	Oh my God.
	There was a group.
	Gloria Estefan, I think, was introduced by, oh, maybe you heard of her.
	Her name is Joyce.
	She was a, she still is, a Brazilian Bossa Nova singer, Joyce.
	There was Mitch Miller introduced Frankie Lane.
	And Frankie Lane never hadn't sung in New York, and I don't know how long.
	I mean, it was one thing after another.
	Judy Collins introduced Bob Denver, or John Denver popped in.
	By the way, I told you a story.
	I was in the John Kick and a squirt next to John Denver.
	And I said, let me tell you something.
	I don't care what these people say.
	Marianne Ginger, who gives a shit?
	You were Gilligan Island.
	And don't forget that.
	And he laughed because it was Bob Denver versus John Denver.
	Music is the stuff that still makes me go berserk.
	It's my drug.
	And when I put my beloved Spotify rotation, I defy you to find anything that's even remotely consistent.
	There is none.
	There is nothing.
	Well, anyway, what a great night.
	It came out of nowhere.
	Carla, the cooking CEO, thank you, my darling.
	Thank you.
	Sal Angelo, Sparky.
	Sal, you were so nice and so kind tonight.
	Thank you so much for everything.
	I appreciate you immensely.
	Freedom, I thank you.
	It just, what a, what a nice, just getting away from this crap for a moment.
	Thank you so much.
	You are so, so kind.
	Johnny Jelaine, thank you.
	Bob Abui and Klonistov, our stove dream killer.
	Good doctor, thank you.
	And don't forget tonight, make sure you listen to 77 WABC from 1 until 5.
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	Don't forget, I also did a brand new story about how Kat Williams beat a $1.7 million judgment.
	I did that on Lionel Legal.
	So check that out.
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	Anyway, thank you so, so much.
	You are absolutely, you are my family.
	Mi familia.
	Mile grazi, mutice ma gracias, as we say in West Hampa.
	In any event, have a great and glorious night.
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	Until then, my friends, remember, monkey's dead.
	Show's over.
	Sue ya.

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