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Oct. 18, 2025 - Lionel Nation
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The Worst Debate in American History: NYC’s Rigged Circus for Zohran
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The worst debate in history in recorded history debate bad, not just in terms of the actual substance, what was learned, what was not learned, what was gleaned, what was ignored, but in the production value itself, in the production value itself of the debate, one of the worst.
First, that disgusting Martha McCallum disaster.
And now this first, did anyone hear see it?
With all due respect, I'm glad you're here.
But if you didn't see it, your opinion doesn't mean anything.
I'm just saying, it doesn't mean anything.
If you didn't see this, who saw this disaster?
Two hour debate, one hour on our local NBC affiliate channel four, and the second online.
line.
I mean, everybody had it.
Laura Loomer had it.
A lot of people had it.
But a lot of the old Altecac, these fossils, have no idea...
Missy Nichols saw it.
Missy, what did you think?
With all due respect, what do you think?
Nothing that I say will make any sense to you if you didn't see it.
If you if you didn't see the horror that was this uh debacle, did you did you did you see this?
If you if you didn't see it again, with all due respect, you're just gonna be, and that's okay, you say whatever you want, which is fine, but you had to see how terrible it is.
And I'm just curious.
Andrew Cromwell has created 95% of all the problems.
That's true.
Did you see it?
Missy says they wouldn't let Curtis answer.
Absolutely.
The mod the moderators were horrible.
Missy Ablutley, the fix was in.
Not only was it thrown to Mom Danny, but they also don't even care about putting on a good product.
They suck.
NBC Channel 4 Children, children, fossils.
No, I don't think they got a poor uh a memo necessarily that said throw it for mom daddy, but I wouldn't be surprised because it looks exactly like that.
It's unbelievable.
It is unbelievable.
Okay?
Unbelievable.
It was first and foremost, this stupidest questions.
Are you a Yankee fan?
I I I mean I lost it.
Remember, the first hour was gonna the second hour that was the good stuff, that was online.
So a lot of people, they still don't know how to stream.
So if you want to get to the 18 to 35 group, you went to the second part, you went to the second hour.
That's what you went for.
Do you see how this works?
That's what you went for.
That's what you wanted to see.
What's the point of having one hour on this channel for?
And then after that, it was what I don't even I haven't watched conventional TV in so long.
I don't even know what I was watching.
It was horrible.
And they didn't, they should have they put Curtis and when Curtis, he didn't have his beret on, and when he doesn't have his beret on, I don't even know who he is.
Cuomo to his credit, was more he was less, I don't know what it is, more less, less salazzo like, less Ghoulish.
And Mom Danny, ma'am Danny, absolutely phenomenal in terms of how smooth he is.
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Now, a couple of things.
Let me ask you people something.
Questions, and I know this may be difficult because a lot of people just want to, you know, they just want to talk.
What is the purpose of a debate?
The floor is yours.
What is the purpose of a debate?
What do we have debates for?
This is it.
What do we have a debate for in terms of the duty that is owed to the to the electorate?
What duty does the debate have or hold to trying to maintain some type of interest in the uh host network?
What duty does it have?
What is the duty of the moderator?
What is the duty of the positioning?
Why put Curtis?
Why not put Curtis on the side and put seriously mom Danny, ma'am Danny with Cuomo next to each other because they'll go after each other?
Go after Tertius Gauden's T-E-R T I U S G-A-U-D-E-N-S.
Learn the game theory when you have a group of three, how one backs off.
This is what this is what the great what Great Britain did to us during World War II to get us into the war.
Tertius Gowdens T-E-R-T-I-U-S-G-A-U-D-E-N-S.
What is the purpose of having the same stories rehashed?
What was Curtis Lewa's goal tonight?
What was his?
Most people like Curtis.
We like Curtis, you like Gurtis.
Curtis has said been it's kind of like the spoiler.
People have asked Curtis repeatedly, Curtis, would you please just step down?
Would you Curtis?
Would you step down?
And they said, no, no, because they've said mathematically he can't do it.
Remember Curtis in the last election against Eric Adams, who was a bona fide imbecile, lost by 40 points.
This is New York City.
Republicans don't work here.
Why have an hour on conventional cable antenna TV and the second half streaming?
Did that do anything?
They acted as though they take people who have a it's like it's a like it's a high school prom questions.
It's like somebody says, get all these questions out.
Whatever you do, get these questions out.
I'm sorry we have to move along.
No, that's not the questions throwaway.
If there's something, Your job is not to go through a thousand questions.
Where has the art?
Where is the professional wrestling?
Where is the excitement?
Where is why is a why is politics so boring?
And after this, Martha McCallum Love Fest the other day, which didn't even lay a hand on him.
Is the fix in?
Are we so beyond the realm of corruption that we don't even know how to deal anymore with it?
Are we just seriously?
Is this something that is so bad, so awful, so terrible, uh, that we just don't uh see do we not know what to do?
Do we I I'm I'm I'm serious.
I'm I'm thinking to myself.
I'm calling everybody and know I say, did you see that?
Did you see that?
This is the most incredible thing I have ever seen in my life.
It is absolutely the most I am so disgusted by politics.
They should have gone through.
I blame his handlers.
I blame his handler.
Um this is I would have said, Curtis, if you do this, maybe somebody can give them a signal.
Uh I I don't know how to say it anyway.
I'm I'm just so disgusted.
I would have say, you do this, if you do this, if you do this, this.
This is the most incredible thing I've ever seen in my life.
This this is this is the most we we we we must need.
We must talk about what what happened in New York City.
And I so know so many of you fine people think, well, if I'm not in New York City, what does this matter?
No, it affects you too.
It affects everybody.
Don't you understand how this thing works?
It affects everybody.
This guy is going to come and he is a part of a movement which is so scary, and he's so good and so smooth.
Oh my god, is he good?
And they laugh at him and say, I don't care what you think.
You know, sometimes you have to know how things work.
You know what I mean?
Sometimes you just have to know how things work.
Somebody was saying the other day, you know, why is it?
Why is why is um how do I say this?
Why is um why are so many people buying methylene blue?
I don't want to keep I I'm so fascinated by this subject.
Overnight, everybody's buying methylene blue.
I I don't know the first thing about it.
But people are saying it's changed my life.
It's like this Oaxaca, or what is this?
What do you think this is?
I mean, they're talking about it, they can't get it out.
Everybody told me about it.
Overnight, where did this come from?
I like trends.
I like, I've told you.
I like the study of tattoos.
Where do tattoos come from?
But this you missed was the worst debate in history.
It was it was the death of duty, the rise of political theater.
And I want you to join me and listen, and please, I know what you're thinking, because a lot of you are so tired of this.
You're always being told this is the end of the world.
This is important.
No, no, no, this is not the end of the world, but this is where we're going.
You need to join me to talk about what we what what happened.
Because what they call this debate, whether you're a master debater or not, wasn't one.
It was a broadcast disaster, a political insult, an ethical meltdown on live television.
It was horrible.
And it raises a question that we should all be asking.
What is the duty of a debate?
What is the purpose?
What is the sacred obligation?
Yes, sacred.
Is there any reason for this?
What is it that a debate owes to the people, to the electorate, to the idea of democracy?
Anything?
Is this just a TV show?
Is this some some pro forma thing.
Because somewhere along the way, that duty got lost, replaced by ratings and vanity and and and backroom strategy.
A debate, my friend, at its core, is supposed to be a covenant, a covenant and a promise between candidates and you, the public, not some stupid choreograph,
milktoast, watered down showcase of schlock, designed by networks and consultants and political handlers to protect the anointed Zoran ma'am Danny.
You're owed the truth.
You're owed confrontation to show the contrast, not something of production value and canned, I don't think they have applause, but canned schlock.
Instead, what we got tonight was a farce, a stage-managed, stupid exercise in control.
Now let's start with this.
Again, the basics of this, it's incredible.
The duty owed to the people.
When you hold a debate, and you say we're channel four, and they start off with these triumphant under the fan for dang ding ding ding ding dang.
It's like they make it like we're we're a part of the system, we're part of democracy.
You're not putting on a talent show.
You're a facilitating agency, and you're and you're spending informed consent, the foundation of democracy.
The voter cannot give consent without information.
And information doesn't flow.
when moderators act like bodyguards.
I mean, these folks, I don't know where they got...
I'm not going to go through this list.
I don't know what I think they filled a little couple of DEI check boxes there.
It's like, okay.
These moderators, these self-appointed, what are they?
What would you call them?
What referees of democracy?
Arbiters, you know.
They've forgotten that they're not the story.
Their job is not to redirect or deflect or protect.
Their job is to expose, to push, to test, to mix them up.
You are a facilitator.
Think of a cock fight where you where you bring the two roosters and you and you and you you you probably have never seen them before, and you you you put them in front of other people.
Gene Crane says, I thought living in California was bad.
52% state taxes, and that does not include federal tax.
If you make a thousand dollars, your take home after all the deductions will be around 380.
Gene, thank you for that horrible news.
But that that appointment with reality.
But Gene, let me ask you.
In this so-called debate, they play defense for who?
Sauron, Z. Let's just call him Z or Zed for Zed.
Of course.
They tossed him Nerf Ball question.
Anyone who dared challenge his sanctified talking points were cut off, redirected or fact-checked, or whatever they did, clarified.
All this is done in real time.
They should just ban these things.
And let's talk about the physical setup.
That's right, the staging.
It matters.
In politics, optics are half the battle.
You know this.
I know this.
Everybody knows this.
Curtis Lee will.
Let me just say something.
Personally, he would be the best.
I don't know any of these folks.
I've I've never I've met Cuomo a couple of times, but there's nothing.
But Curtis, I know very well.
And I wish to God we lived in a in a place where he could win because their numbers just aren't there.
Not that he's not good, he's great, but the numbers.
Curtis Leva was positioned like an afterthought.
You know, practically standing in the in the hallway, you know, while Ma'am Danny and Cuomo got the center spotlight.
They put Curtis kind of in the middle.
It's weird.
It's almost like the classic Turdius Gaudens, which is, you know, like I said, Latin for the third who benefits.
Here's the play.
Here's how it works.
You put two rivals close enough to clash, and you you ignite conflict.
And the third party, the establishment's chosen one, he emerges unscathed.
He kind of sets back and lets them kind of go on.
See, that's not debate strategy, that's game theory.
That's game theory.
Straight out of Machiavelli meets Madison Avenue.
And I still say the goal is not to attack Mam Danny.
The goal is to put your ideas ahead of time.
Your goal is to say Curtis in particular, Curtis's role.
Curtis's job wasn't to attack Mam Danny, because that doesn't do anything.
The people who were going to vote for him are not going to listen to some Republican tell him that their guy's bad.
And it's not to attack Cuomo, not to attack.
You're trying to get somebody to vote for somebody.
When you vote for someone, you vote for someone you like.
Someone who has something to offer.
Somebody who is sesame, somebody who has a worldview of vision.
You voted for Donald Trump because of what Trump said.
Not because of how he attacked people.
I mean, that was funny, but that wasn't it.
It was about him.
It was about what he said.
It was about his vision, how he made you feel great, how he made you feel strong.
That's the way it is.
That's the way.
Curtis, and I wanted him to win, and I think he would be certainly the best.
He's not going to win, though.
Remember, the last time against Eric Adams, he lost by 40% to an imbecile.
To an imbecile.
He's mentally retarded.
Eric Adams was.
I still can't believe that this guy was even there.
But but that's kind of neither here nor there.
What is important to note and was critical to note is that this is about what do you do if this and that.
That's the point.
That's the point.
Now get a couple things here as well.
This is also critical.
I'm looking at my notes here.
The nobody, Curtis didn't score anything.
Curtis's job tonight was to make somebody go after something.
He would have, he should have brought up crime.
Forget the question, screw the questions, whatever the questions are.
You say whatever you want.
Curtis knows crime.
That's what people think about.
This is the most ridiculous thing in the world.
Ma'am Danny and Cuomo were placed kind of not side by side.
It was with Curtis in the middle.
Curtis should have been to the side.
Curtis should have allowed them to get at it.
Curtis should have been to the side.
Curtis is the populace.
He's the outsider.
He's kind of an interesting.
His story is interesting.
He is interesting.
He is the most important.
You know, that's his story.
You know, they call him colorful translation.
We don't take you seriously.
But Curtis Leva was the only one, the only one on stage with a real pulse.
He knows the city's underbelly because he's lived it.
He wasn't reading some poll-tested script.
He understands it.
He was more for helping the street urchins, if you will, than anybody else.
He was the only guy speaking like a human being.
He knows this.
And he also, by the way, is into even he's even into Animal protection.
But in New York?
That doesn't matter, does it?
Because the city has become allergic to authenticity.
We love bullshit.
It's true.
And what was the point of this whole event anyway?
This is the bottom line.
What was the point?
To inform voters?
Please.
Half of it aired on conventional television for an hour and the rest dumped on streaming.
It's like a civic afterthought.
I thought that was the best one.
And who's making these decisions?
And how many people didn't see this?
Who exactly thought the way to reach working class voters?
Whoever thought was to bury the second half of a mayoral debate, one of the most important, on a platform that not nobody watches, but that they don't watch.
It's scary.
Gene Crane says, what's going to happen to New York City when all the taxpayers leave?
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Thank you.
Gene, thank you so much.
Gene, they've been saying this about New York City forever.
They've been saying they're all going to leave.
They said this about during COVID and they came back.
And they go someplace else and they come back.
And they go someplace else and they come back.
And they've said this when the Bronx was burning.
And during the Crown Heights.
At the time of the remember, remember during the during the um the Central Park 5 when crime was so awful when when our own uh uh Donald Trump put that ad full-page ad in four or five papers, spent like 89,000 in 1989.
It was horrible.
I mean, it was just it's better now.
But they've been saying people have been saying they're gonna leave forever.
There's something about this city that keeps people here.
There's a dynamism.
But instead, I blame the Republican Party, and I blame a lot of people because they've never offered alternatives, they've never offered alternatives.
This is the thing.
Oh, by the way, what does everybody think about John Bolton?
Oh my god.
John Bolton.
Did you see all the great clips they have of him saying, you know, nobody's against the law?
I mean, nobody's above the law.
Same thing with Tish James.
Oh, they're gonna break it off in him.
I mean, this finally, at least there's something.
And let me tell you something.
I want you to listen very, very carefully to what our good friend um, what our good friend uh Curtis Lee was saying, I'm a masquerade.
Todd uh God must Alex.
Todd Blanche, Todd Blanche, this is a guy we got to get rid of this guy, Ed Martin.
Are you hearing what's going on?
Are you following what's going on?
Are you are you listening?
That's a whole other sort of job.
I don't want to throw too much, too too much at you, son.
I want this to be the debate.
But there's a lot of good stuff that's going on.
And why did Curtis hesitate when they ask him about who was the best president?
It's Donald Trump.
No, I know Curtis doesn't like Donald Trump.
I don't know.
What are you doing?
Would you forget this Donald with this Ronald Reagan stuff?
Would you stop this?
And mom Danny likes FDR.
Stop it.
FDR, by the way, this is the guy who was for again.
This is a guy who signed off on in interment.
Okay, this is the guy who sent back the St. Louis.
This this was a this was no, this was no uh lovable guy here.
This is a different story.
So anyway, what I want you to say is I want you to think about this very carefully, my friend.
This is not just about New York City.
I also want to make sure that you go tonight, tonight.
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Because I'm a vampire, I'm a vampire.
It's a great, it's a what a show.
What a show we have.
Oh my god, do we have the best coverage you can possibly imagine?
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I'm only gonna say this.
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You understand what I'm saying?
Okay, dear friends.
Did I tell you I love you?
Did I tell you that I thank you?
That you are the greatest people in the world.
Johnny Mazaspaz says, over 30 minutes talking about Israel.
New York City, nothing.
Over 30 minutes talking about Israel.
Who are you talking about?
Over 30.
I don't know what that means, Johnny, but thank you, I guess.
I don't know what that means.
Over 30.
Anyway, I again I don't know what that means.
But thank you.
There's nothing worse than wondering what does this mean?
Maybe it's me.
Maybe I'm stupid.
I don't think so.
Do you think I'm stupid?
No.
I'm anything but stupid, and you know it.
You know it.
I'm the best thing going for you.
I'm the best thing around.
Because you can't figure me out.
You turn on all the other shows, and you know what you get?
You got the same thing all the time.
You know exactly what you're gonna get.
You don't know with me, do you?
No, you don't.
And that's always the way it's gonna be.
Because life is like that.
I don't know.
They keep throwing weird stuff at us.
And we have to know how to pivot, how to change.
You got what I'm saying?
Good.
Good.
All right, dear friends.
Who loves you?
I do.
You need me.
You love me.
You love me.
You know it.
Oh, you pretend you don't, but I know you do.
Because we've been together for a long time.
And I give you what nobody else gives you.
I treat you like an adult.
And I don't sit there and I just pretend I talk to you.
I talk to you.
Think about this.
A lot of these people are always talking to a guest, which is fine.
They don't want to talk to you.
That's why Alex does it.
Alex does it.
You know who's terrific?
Been great lately.
You may think you may, you may get your her Israel position may screw you, but Laura Loomer is just when she talks about Trump and MAGA, she's spot on.
Nikki Fuentes, spot on in some respects.
Absolutely perfect.
Okay?
Benny Johnson all of a sudden.
He's he's even though he doesn't understand what a peta rast is, but that's okay.
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All right, my friends.
Have a great and a glorious night.
Be well.
Remember, we're all in this together, brother.
As a great Kamphong as Chin Ho says.
And until we meet again, remember these faithful words, my friend.
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