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March 28, 2025 - Lionel Nation
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The Real Threat Isn’t AI or War—It’s a World Without Imagination and Free Thought

The Real Threat Isn’t AI or War—It’s a World Without Imagination and Free Thought

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These are the most fascinating of times, my friends.
But they're only fascinating if you know how to think.
When I tell people this, I get the funniest looks.
Like, what are you talking about?
It's like, you have to know how to think.
I know how to think.
No, well, not really.
What do you mean?
Well...
I know how to think.
Well, sort of.
What do you mean?
I think.
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
No.
People don't.
Because the real threat isn't AI or war.
It's a world without imagination and free thought.
And I can't explain this enough.
There's so much.
And think about today's theme is going to be a magnifying glass.
I came upon something which is so interesting, and I realized that if I were to try to perhaps maybe try my best to, dare I say, explain this one, nobody would do it because people want to immediately react.
You see, people love to react.
People do not like to think about things, to pull it apart.
You know, like when you eat sometimes, you say, what is this?
I'm sensing a little bit of, is this cumin?
What is this?
What is this?
They don't recognize this.
They don't dissect and parse and, oh, it's beautiful.
It's a glorious, glorious, glorious thing to do.
And that's what we need to do.
We need to bring people into training classes in the summer to teach them how to critically think.
How to just think about things.
And I've got a story for you which is so fascinating.
And this crowd is going to love this.
But I'm thinking you're going to go for the initial reaction and then later on we're going to think about...
Well, really, what does this mean?
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Years ago, I don't know where, don't know when, but I enjoy really getting into thinking about stuff.
Yesterday I did a great piece with my dear friend Anthony Cumia, and we were talking about what subjects can you not talk about, he and I being radio veterans of sorts.
What is this?
I said, well, if you look at what we can and can't talk about, let me see if I can put this into perspective and see if I can put this into words.
The subjects that you cannot talk about today that will get you in the most trouble, believe it or not, are matters of excretion, Israel, race, religion, and thought.
Now, that may have nothing to do with each other, but they do.
Excretion.
Recently, I read a story, and by the way, our good friend Raul weighs in with this, says, have we lost most of our ability to freely think?
Yes!
Not freely think, but critically think, but that's a very good question.
Recently, there was a story about the amount of colon cancer in young people.
And they were asking the question, why, pray tell, do you think this is?
What is the reason for that?
And what's very interesting about it was that as I was looking, they had a woman sitting on a toilet, and you didn't see her face, and her arms were kind of like she was...
Like grabbing her, I guess, her abdominal area.
By the way, not stomach.
Stomach is an organ.
Abdomen is this, is an area.
It's like vagina and vulva.
Nobody, we don't care about it.
Anyway, and if I didn't know better, I'm thinking, this in a weird way is almost scantily, or dare I say, sultrally depicted in a very weird way.
Can that even be?
Yes, it can be.
Yes, it can be.
Our good friend Pilgrim says, let's all clarify opaque and recondite ideas.
Or, really define, not even clarify, just define them.
Thank you for that.
So what I'm thinking about this is, here is a story about somebody which is a killer.
Colon cancer.
And instead of showing a...
You know, a diagram.
You're seeing this kind of a weird, if I didn't know better, kind of a kinky, and the reason why nobody can talk about this.
They refer to words like poop, and I thought, so I wanted to stop and say, why do you think that is?
So as I was talking with Anthony, we were saying, you know, one of the things that the FCC used to really, really crack down on is any reference of excretory References.
Just couldn't handle it.
And then I thought to myself, well, why is that?
And then I realized that what I would be asking, the questions I have are, for the most part, a total and complete waste of time.
Because people would not be able to talk about it.
They just wouldn't.
They wouldn't be able to peel apart that, why do you think that is?
What is with the subject matter?
Why do we act like this?
Do you think there's any Freudian reference to it?
Why is it that we blah blah blah?
I realize I could not waste my time doing this.
Nobody would be wasting our time seriously talking about this.
Then the subject came about Israel.
Yesterday we were talking to somebody and I said, what do you think the Houthis are?
There is, I was going to refer this to you, there is a piece that is so great.
It is so wonderful.
And it is a YouTube piece by this fellow, Johnny Harris.
He has 6.5 million subscribers.
It's called The War in Yemen Mapped.
It's got about 2.5 views.
One of the best one of the best introductory Explanations of what's going on in Yemen.
Phenomenal.
Absolutely phenomenal.
Great.
Wonderful.
Terrific.
Terrific.
Is anybody talking about that?
No.
Houthis are a proxy for Iran.
Why?
I don't know why.
I don't care.
What's Iran's beef?
I don't care what their beef is.
Yeah, but what is Iran trying to do?
I'm not.
I don't care about Iran.
I don't care.
I don't know what you're talking about.
We don't care what Iran thinks.
You got it?
We don't care what...
But why don't you care?
We don't...
We have a cursory view.
But don't you want to hear who the Houthis are?
No, I don't want to hear.
I don't care.
Did you ever look at this?
No!
Nobody did.
Nobody understood this.
Now, you cannot understand Israel unless you understand Yemen, unless you understand Saudi Arabia, and unless you understand this power play.
But nobody wants to know it.
Why?
Because it involves thinking and thought and imagination and free thought and deep dives and going deep, deep, deep.
But I mean deep.
It takes...
This thing's what?
How long is this?
A 22-minute video.
22 minutes.
Nobody, not this in particular, but people do not do this because we are not taught to do this.
We are not taught to think, to deep dive, to go into the realm of this.
We don't think like this.
We don't.
You understand what I'm saying?
Why?
Race.
Oh my god!
Race is one of the most fascinating subjects of them all.
It's not race.
It's culture.
It's not race.
It's not culture.
It's something that is completely different to anything we've talked about.
It is phenomenally fascinating.
And I did one called How Stupid Can One Congresswoman Be?
Jasmine Crockett Raises the Bar.
And she is...
Absolutely mind-bogglingly, she's stupid.
And nobody will address this.
And she is given this cloak of this veneer of don't go there because she's black.
I came upon this and I knew you would love this.
You in particular would love this because it's one of the best descriptions of what's going on right now.
I find it interesting.
There was an article from something called News One.
It was from January.
And I think, I believe it's an African American focused reference.
One of the things is, what should black voters know about Project 2025?
Remember Project 2025?
Didn't exist kind of like the signal incident, the signal channel that nobody cares about.
Nobody knows anything about the signal.
By the way, this morning there was a huge raid with Pan Bondi and everything.
Phenomenal stuff.
Anyway.
Remember how that was there?
It was their chance to throw something out.
Isn't that interesting?
Okay.
I want to read something to you which is the most interesting.
There was a...
There was an argument she got into, I think with Mace.
Remember Mace?
They were arguing about something.
Jasmine Crockett, by the way, it starts off with this.
It's a child.
Jasmine Crockett called ghetto by racists just because of her use of AAVE.
Do you know what AAVE is?
You know what AAVE is?
I never knew this.
AAVE.
V-E.
Do you know what this is?
Anybody?
It starts off, once again, as sure as the sun rises and sets, white people have responded to the heated exchange between Jasmine Crockett and Nancy Mace by calling Crockett ghetto.
And as usual, it's truly baffling.
We spoke about this the other day.
Or it would be if black people weren't so accustomed to watching white privilege operate right in our faces.
This is right.
You will love this.
This is exactly who you are.
Matthew Dropko says, you talked about your phones the other day.
Maybe turn on Wi-Fi.
Maybe turn on Wi-Fi calling if you have phone.
Works great in houses where there's no...
Sell signal, but have Wi-Fi.
Maybe turn on Wi-Fi calling if you have a phone.
Interesting.
You know what?
I saw that, and I wasn't sure what that was, but I'll tell you what I do.
When Mrs. L and I speak, we use WhatsApp.
Clear as a bell.
I mean, it's frightening.
I think Telegram also.
Skype calling?
Wonderful!
Regular Verizon, T-Mobile stuff, forget it.
But I will do that.
Thank you for that.
So let's go back to this.
It says, this is the article from this News 1. Once again, as sure as the sun rises and sets, white people have responded to the heated exchange between Crockett and Mace by calling Crockett ghetto, and as usual, it's truly battling.
For those who missed it, Crockett and Mace got into...
Each other got into it with each other during a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing, during which Democrat and Republican legislators debated the necessity of creating a subcommittee to aid President-elect Donald Trump's plans to create a Department of Government.
Okay, good.
Now...
May said, you all want men with penises, chicks with dicks in the bathroom with us.
You don't respect women, May said.
Women have the freedom to go into a private women's only space and not see a man in it.
Women have the right to change and not be feared that somebody will...
With their sexual perversion, someone who's confused about their gender, we have the right to feel safe in these spaces.
Crockett responded to Mace's out-of-nowhere, quote, anti-trans bigotry by calling out the irre...
by calling out, excuse me, the irrelevance of it and suggesting that Mace was simply bringing it up as a buzz issue to inflame the MAGA crowd and, more importantly, Republican donors.
This is what Crockett said.
I don't even know how we got there.
Somebody's campaign coffers really are struggling right now.
So, she gonna keep saying trans, trans, trans, so that people will be threatened.
And child, listen.
C-H-I-L-E, which looks like Chile.
Crockett didn't at any point behave unprofessionally.
This is according to this News One article.
Unlike Mace, who literally challenged a congressman to a fight during a congressional session, saying they could take it outside.
Now, that's the sequence of this.
Crockett spoke eloquently and professionally while being sound in her logic.
The only problem is she sounded like a black woman while doing so.
And there is a reference that showed this X that said...
Who agrees that Jasmine Crockett is the most ghetto piece in trash of Congress?
This is Larry D. Jones Jr. in this clip.
And he didn't even proofread it.
Okay.
Then, this woman, R. Sarisa, why are MAGA people calling Jasmine Crockett ghetto when Nancy Mace is the one who threatened her at work?
On camera.
Hello?
If you're a racist, just say that.
Yesi says they call Jasmine Crockett ghetto and ratchet R-A-C-H-E-C ratchet because she has a black accent but Crockett is very well spoken and articulate.
The bleach blonde had built The bleach, blonde, bad-built butch body was the only time I've ever heard her not sound professional, with two F's by the way, and she somehow framed it as a legal question.
Love her.
Interesting, isn't it?
Now this is this article.
These same people have elected for the second time probably the most inarticulate president, this is what they're saying, to ever get his old man drool all over This is fascinating.
Crockett's use of the word child has clearly baffled a lot of white people, including Mace, who seemed to think she was literally being called a child.
Which honestly still would have been appropriate since Mace obviously behaved like one.
Now, I'm not normally one to explain.
Here we go.
AAVE.
Have you heard of this?
AAVE.
Have you heard of this?
It's not Ebonics, which is incorrectly used.
AAVE.
African American Vernacular English.
AAVE.
Using AAVE to perpetual colonizers.
Here's the question.
Now, I'm not normally one to explain African American vernacular English to perpetual colonizers, but in this case, since it seems to be the sole reason racist white people are calling her ghetto, it's worth it to provide a little context.
When black people, you're going to love this.
This is so interesting.
When black people, this is from News 1, when black people, usually black women, and by the way, I just happened upon this seconds before we started.
That's why I'm bringing this up.
When black people, usually black women, use child, like voodoo child, you know, Stevie Ray and Jimi Hendrix.
Well, black women usually use child, which is much different than child.
It's simply an expressive term to emphasize the absurdity of whatever they're responding to, which in this case was Mace's impromptu trans-hate rant, including her use of the words chicks with dicks during a house session.
But no, Mace isn't ghetto at all, right?
So to recap, Mace used inappropriate language on the house floor while spewing bigotry because she's...
Posing objections to having men, biological men, dressed as women, now called trans, in female bathrooms.
So to recap, this article says, Mace used inappropriate language on the House floor while spewing bigotry unprompted.
And then she tried to turn Congress into Jerry Springer by challenging Crockett to a fight.
But she did this while being a white woman.
So it's not ghetto.
Crockett was well-spoken and accurate when calling Mace out for derailing the topic of discussion, but she sounded like the black woman she is while doing so.
In other words, ghetto trash.
Black people don't code switch because we just love flexing the totality of our linguistic abilities.
We do it because white privilege is real and white society is racist.
It's that simple.
Absolutely fascinating.
Fascinating.
Now, I'm not even going to read any of the comments here.
Not even going to read them.
I love you, but I'm not.
Which is another problem.
And that problem is...
Not to respond in a retort.
Not to respond in a comedic riposte.
Not to come back with something funny and whatever.
That's not the point.
The question is, is there a point being made here?
Did Mace, who referred to chicks with dicks or whatever, Why was that okay?
When she kind of threatened her, so to speak, to step outside.
Why wasn't that considered ghetto?
But this word child, is there something to that?
The answer is yes.
If somebody had spoken using a Spanish term, Or, if somebody has said, and why I say to you, my mishpukha, or, and I say to you, hermanos, you know, they say, oh, that's nice.
Yiddish, or there's a, wonderful.
But is there this finger, fingers on a chalkboard?
To some white folks, when they hear what we call, I call it Blinglish, Black English, or African American Vernacular English, is there something to it?
And the answer is yes.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Is it wrong?
No.
It's that I am responding to this.
Fingers on a crumb.
And I'll bet you anything.
If Nance, but see, here's what people are missing.
If Maxine Waters said it, if AOC said it, someone could argue whether she's black or whether she, but anyway, if AOC said it, if anybody else said it, but there's something about Crockett.
So what Crockett does, whatever she does, And this is what I wanted to discuss.
It's because people despise her.
Not because she's black.
If we love wigs, you know who wears a wig too?
Maxine.
And also, is it Joni Ernst?
Sometimes they wear these bad wigs.
Remember Trafficant wore that bad wig?
And all these people wear these bad wigs.
Okay.
Is there something to this?
Yes, there's something to this.
Yes, there is something to be said.
Yes, there is some form of...
But the thing that is overriding is that people cannot stand Crockett.
And whatever she does adds to that.
If anybody else said, child, nobody.
But here's the deal.
When Hillary Clinton decided to say, I...
Remember that one?
What the hell are you doing?
When Barack Obama went into this fake and faux black preacher thing, we do the same thing.
So when you look at it, the more you look at it, the answer is, it's about Crockett, not about anything else.
And anything she does drives us crazy.
Her eyelashes drive you crazy.
Her weave drives you crazy.
Her makeup, her style.
Grabby foot.
You can't stand her.
You can't stand her.
That preceded everything else.
Other people who say the very same thing.
It's no big deal.
Why?
Because you don't hate them.
That's the issue.
And what I did was I just spent in the past, I don't know, five times looking at this and not just responding to try to find the first comedic take to it.
To try to Show my wit to come up with a cheap joke.
Somebody mentioned something about chitlins.
This is like, I don't know what decade you're from, or chitterlings, as it is called.
In any event, in any event, dear friends, what I'm saying here, and what is important to understand, is that there is something that is fun.
To me and my friends and my colleagues and people that I respect about wanting to talk about something, but not just reacting to it, but thinking about it.
Thinking about it, breaking it down, asking, what is it?
Is it racism?
Is there a point to be made?
Did Mace kind of come across as, yeah, you know who also is kind of a little batty, is this Luna, whatever, about the JFK stuff, whatever.
See, we don't have that.
The other night, there was one of the most tragic stories about this woman in Dallas-Fort Worth who stripped naked and couldn't get past that one because everybody just wants to joke about it.
The other night we were talking about Yemen and nobody ever spent any time even saying, who are the Houthis?
What is this thing?
What's their beef?
Nothing.
I had a friend of mine last night who sends me this thing.
He clearly knows nothing about the signal issue at all.
Nothing.
Nothing.
And I said, You've never spent any time investigating this.
No.
I said, you just hate Trump.
So if they tell you this is something, you just respond to it.
Correct?
Yeah.
But Hillary Clinton, no problem.
Why is that?
Why are there people...
I know friends of mine who are...
It's so interesting.
Friends who are very, very...
Who are almost, whatever the government of Israel does, whatever it is, they are 100% behind it.
And they're not a part of AIPAC or anything.
They just have this thing.
I said, now, if this were, I don't understand this.
You mentioned the Houthis, it's one particular friend of mine, and you don't know who they are.
You don't know where Yemen is or what the history of Yemen is or what the beef is or what Iran's beef is.
You don't understand any of this stuff.
You don't understand Islam.
But the thing that you got mad about them doing, Hezbollah or whatever, Israel could be argued as doing the same thing.
And the argument is that, yeah, but they asked for it.
I said, okay, did the Vietnam people ask for it?
And then we were discussing this and they had nothing to do with it.
So my question is, isn't it interesting how we will base our morality on the group that we like and whatever they do, we just go along with it.
There are people who are saying the signal thing is no big deal.
I said, well, what was it?
I don't know, but I love Trump.
He's my man, MAGA.
I said, but didn't you look it up?
No, I didn't.
I said, so you really don't know, do you?
You just don't know.
But it's not like Hillary Clinton.
I said, okay.
But you're doing what the Hillary Clinton people said.
You're doing the same thing.
Carla, the cooking CEO, says, Here's figures helix-powered humanoid robots could be in every home by 2027.
With uncanny dexterity, intelligence, and discernment, they'll handle tasks from chores to complex projects, redefining daily life.
And that's going to be...
Robots.
When they get into the AI part, good.
Let's switch to that.
We're talking about what AI versus is.
When will a robot become sentient?
When will they enjoy, quote, human rights?
That's the issue.
Let me ask you this, Carla, because you're into cooking and everything else.
Let's assume somebody goes To you like a particular chef, whether it's Jean-Georges or Daniel Ballou, whoever it is, Gordon Ramsay, I don't care.
And Gordon Ramsay says, here's how I make whatever.
This is my thing.
And they go like this, and this AI learns it.
The AI robot, but AI powered, can pan sear, you know, a filet, can look at it, tell the temperature, no one to pull it off, no one to add the reduction, no one to put the peppercorns, no one to do this, all based on Gordon Ramsey.
But Gordon Ramsey's not there half the time anyway.
And it's done like that.
And it's perfect every time.
Do you need to go anymore to Gordon Ramsay?
Now, you're going to spend a lot of money for the, you know, the ambiance and all that stuff.
That's great.
But, do we really need these chefs?
No.
You will have a device that goes like this.
Doesn't get burned.
Doesn't get drunk.
There's no salary.
Isn't, you know, banging the co-check girl and getting fights.
Just a machine that's Perfect every time.
Who needs Gordon Ramsay?
What does Gordon Ramsay mean?
What does that mean?
Remember this fellow...
Uh...
Remember the El Bouilly?
Remember this?
Remember this was in France.
The world's best restaurants.
Remember Gastronomy?
And it was Ferran Adria.
Remember that?
They were doing the foam.
And Carla says, discernment with Helix AI software is what makes it interesting.
But the imagination and creation is fundamentally human.
Oh, we'll get to that in a moment.
Sparky says, when I was in the U.S. Army years ago, a security breach of less importance than Walt's did was a minimum of five years of big rocks, little rocks in Leavenworth.
Could very well be.
They would say, by the way, Sparky, it's not the same.
Their discernment, to use Carlos' term, was it's not the same.
That there was no, it was a potential, but there were no plans or whatever.
That's what they're going to say.
That's true.
If somebody on the actual battlefield was saying, all right, bring in the 82nd Airborne, that might be.
Their argument is that that's not true.
Now look at this.
Discernment.
This is what Carlos talks about.
With Helix AI software is what makes it interesting.
But the imagination of creation is fundamentally human.
I would suggest to you and submit to you that the human imagination is not going to be that important.
Pilgrim says, sorry for last comment.
I forgot about our overlords.
Thank you.
Now, Is, this is the thinking part now, is human imagination better?
Yes or no?
Andrew Hessing says, will the robot be able to talk in the gutter vernacular too, replacing ask with axe and the like, and will it know the proper setting, use that jive?
If it were to speak, The question is, you would only speak like that to show familiarity.
To show connectivity.
To show, I'm one of you.
That's why I'm doing this.
Interesting?
See that one?
So, a robot, as you would say, if it were to facilitate understanding, yeah, it could be.
I don't know whether people with Spanish accents, let's say or Italian accents, understand English better if in an accent.
I don't know.
Have you ever asked somebody who speaks with a Spanish accent to speak with a Spanish accent?
Show me how it sounds like.
They can't do it.
They can't do it.
But let me go back to what Carlos said.
Is there anything special about human imagination?
Tony says...
Good morning, Uncle Lenny.
Thank you, Tony Dash.
Appreciate it, my friend.
All the best to you, buddy boy.
I submit to you there's nothing going to be that great about human imagination.
I don't believe so.
Well, Carla talks about something interesting.
Discernment is different.
But there's one thing I want to go which is a little bit different, and that is this notion of judgment and morality.
That's all.
Let me ask you this.
If a man meets his friend's fiancée, his old friend's fiancée, and he fancies her, he probably would not want to engage in some kind of a sexual interlude because that would be immoral.
That would be letting down the faith And hurting the feelings of a friend.
That's morality and judgment and other things.
Can you program that?
Sparky says, when warned not to use his signal app for secure military communications, Walton Hegseth likely replied, OK, boomer.
Could very well be.
Could very well be.
They're now, by the way, Sparky, adding to, they're saying that Hegseth Could have been drunk?
Didn't sound like he was drunk when he was writing that.
I think the people who are the beneficiaries of that are the Houthis, or Yemen, because now they're not going to do that because of the whatever.
So it remains to be seen.
Going back to what Carla said, this does not grab my internal alarm buttons, even if it was done by Hillary Clinton.
Remember something about politics.
This goes for you, Sparky.
If you can't explain this on a bumper sticker, you're wasting your time.
That simple.
That, that, that simple.
Can't explain it any other way any better than that.
But going back to what we said before, and this is very interesting.
Do you think, do you believe, That you could ever teach a robot this thing called judgment.
To make a decision.
Like, well...
You know...
She's been asking for this.
My child's been asking.
I think I'm going to let her feel like maybe she got her way.
You know...
Yeah, we're going to...
Yeah, you know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to go ahead.
Yeah, well, okay.
I've got to ask the question.
Is that...
Can you teach that?
I don't know.
I don't know if that's even susceptible.
Something tells me it would be able to mimic it, but not in terms of having a sense of morality, that pang in you, that you react to, if that makes any sense.
I don't think it's going to have the same pang as we say.
But could you then say, but it will learn this.
It will say to you, this device, I have looked at 10,000 different situations.
And in the 10,000 situations that I've looked in, I'm looking at this notion of this thing that you call Judgment.
I'm not sure about that.
That's what I have to do.
How do you teach this thing called judgment?
And do we need judgment?
If it says, I'm not trying to be a human, I don't want to be a human.
For something that shows all this judgment and morality, you keep doing all these terrible things to people in the meantime.
It is a fascinating, fascinating subject.
Raul says, Ravens show morality, judgment, and compassion.
Judgment, yes.
Morality, I don't know about that.
And compassion, those are, I think you're being, dare I say, a tad anthropomorphic.
I think you're reading, you're ascribing human traits to this.
This is fascinating.
I love this thinking.
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The question that is the most important, the most important about any kind of AI or AGI, Artificial General Intelligence, which is kind of where I'm going, is when you ask the question, what is it that makes a human a human?
What is it?
Can that be programmed?
Then you have to ask yourself this question, what is so special about being a human?
What is so special about being a human?
Those are the questions that I have which I find to be the most fascinating.
Sparky says, Waltz is dumber than a sack of hammers.
He invited his Atlantic friend into the Signal Text group on purpose.
Waltz is the enemy from within, albeit a stupid one.
I would be hard-pressed, Sparky, to disagree.
I would eliminate him immediately.
If I were the president, and as you know, being in the military, you have to set the idea that you are expendable.
You are not going to embarrass me, and you're not going to impede the team.
I agree with you.
I would immediately, he would be gone so fast, it's not even funny.
Carla says, human morality stems from empathy, lived experience, and cultural nuance, evolving through personal reflection, qualities, AI, even Helix lacks, as it relies on programmed rules and techniques.
Well, that is true, except for one thing.
It learns.
It learns.
Thank you, my friend.
Ah, fascinating.
And then Bob says, member for eight months.
Thank you, Bob.
Appreciate it, my friend.
And Sparky says, Hegseth is a tattooed Siganist eschatological death cult fool.
Oh, Zionist, yes.
You know what?
Those people kind of scare me.
And Laurie says, spark of divinity.
Duh.
Let's take this.
Fascinating as to what you said.
First, let me go back to what Carly said.
Which I think is the most important.
Carla, rather.
Not Carly.
I'm thinking Carly Simon.
What do you think is the idea regarding empathy?
First, is there something about it that is inherently human?
Is there something about empathy which is, this is important, human?
Do you think it's human?
Is there something human about it?
It's hard to say.
What do you think right now to the scores of people, the scores of people, the literal seemingly, this endless font of horrible people who do terrible things to, let's say, children.
Where is that morality?
Where is it?
Where do you see it?
And you would say, well, that's...
That's a different story.
Those are amoral people.
There are millions and millions of people who are amoral at every stage of the world.
Where do you think this works?
How do I say this?
What is morality?
Where do you think that is?
I don't know.
What is a psychopath?
Let's go back to this.
A psychopath is somebody who is not immoral.
He is incapable of morality.
And what is morality?
Morality is that thing you do when nobody is listening.
When nobody's watching, when nobody's paying attention, when nobody's there, you do it on your own because you have this internal sense, this regulator, this thing that's in you that makes you say, okay, I'm going to act accordingly, I'm going to do whatever.
Now, for the most part, this is very important, for the most part, many of us fancy ourselves as being moral, but we don't do anything during the day that requires morality.
We really don't.
We like to think so, but we don't.
We really don't do a lot of things during the day that require any kind of specific morality.
So, Sparky says, there's a picture of Waltz hanging out with his Atlantic friend even when the Waltz denies knowing him.
Oh, I'm with you.
Also, did you see his Venmo account with all these people?
Why is he sending money to people?
Why do you have all these people on Venmo accounts?
I don't understand that in the first place.
I'm going to go back to the one thing too.
Back and forth.
What Carla said.
Human morality stems from empathy.
Thank you.
*sad* Pow!
When you follow the law and you don't believe in the law, But you follow because you don't want to get caught.
Is that empathy?
Is that morality?
Excuse me.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Let me ask something which is interesting about this.
Carla also says, let's speak of a small amygdala in psychopaths.
Well, you know what?
It's not so much...
The amygdala is very interesting.
The amygdala is the...
There's two things.
That...
Kind of fight or flight sort of thing, you know, but let me see if I can explain it.
The best example I've ever heard is when the head, and by the way, this may even apply to exit, when the head and the heart are connected.
That's the most important thing.
If I say to you, for example, if somebody says, I...
And also it's classic Freudian id.
Married man sees somebody, he's attracted to them.
If it were any other situation, he might make a play for this person, as they say.
It's hard to accept, but we're all capable of evil.
Oh, capable, yeah.
Depends who's evil it is, Laurie.
But let's go back to this.
Married man or woman sees somebody.
And they say, you know, if this were any other circumstance, if I were single or whatever it was, I would certainly pursue this or whatever, but I can't because I'm married.
Okay.
Is that morality?
Answer the question.
Is that morality?
What if the person says, no, it's not morality, it's fear.
I don't want to get caught, lose half of my stuff.
And go through a divorce.
Is that morality?
Is that morality?
When you just say, I don't want to do it because I'm afraid I'll get caught?
That's morality?
Or how about this one?
I don't care if anybody, I don't care if anybody even, what moral was, I don't care if nobody ever found out about this.
There is a man who, let's say, I keep saying this, he's out on a business trip, he's out someplace and he, Meet somebody he will never see again for the rest of his life.
His wife will never find out.
There's no way.
He's in another country, another time.
It will never happen.
His wife will never, ever, ever find out.
That's morality.
When the person says, I can't do it.
I can't live with myself.
I can't.
I can't.
Now, you see what happened?
Now the heart kicks in.
In the first situation, it was the head.
The head says, if I do this, I'm going to get caught.
Just like if I, I'm not going to touch that open flame because I'm going to get burned.
That's not morality.
That's learning.
It's a completely different thing.
A completely different story.
Completely different story.
Okay?
Completely.
Morality is when you don't do something because you...
It bothers you.
Your heart connects.
This is when your head and your heart are connected.
That's the part.
Now, there could be some people, if you were to ask somebody, if you could do something horrible and not get caught, would you do it?
How many people do you think would say, yeah, I do it?
Is that immoral?
Okay, but I thought about it.
I didn't do it.
Do you have to do something?
Let me ask you something.
How do you...
And again, the morality part is interesting.
Now remember, an AI, AGI is learning this.
Learning this.
I have a friend of mine who is a very successful radiologist.
He does mammograms.
And he is probably...
I don't know how many thousands he's looked at.
An AI, AGI...
Model can look at every mammogram that's ever been made, ever been taken, ever been cultivated in the history of mankind.
Okay?
In the history of mankind.
If it's recorded anymore, it's seen it.
And it's been through and learned.
This means this, these markers, these margins, and can zoom in, zoom out, and can learn things a human doesn't even learn.
It can learn.
There was an AI model that learned, I think it was, learned Persian on its own.
On its own, learned Persian.
Learned it.
Nobody told them to.
They told, there was one time where they, I think somebody wrote a letter and said, what is this?
Now before AI, if you went to your Dell or your PC and said, what is this?
They'll say, what is this?
Would you like that on a bold face?
No, no, what is this?
You don't talk to it.
It didn't talk to them.
I mean, you might have a calculator.
What is this?
And it was a letter 8, I think it was.
And it could either be letter 8, I mean number 8, it could be infinity, it could be whatever it was, two circles.
It figured this out.
It just knew.
It learned on its own.
You didn't tell it anything.
Imagine before AI, I type into your Mac, what is the difference between love and affection?
Delicative.
Now, you might, unless, if there was something programmed in, like dictionary.com or something, this is a different story.
It will learn this.
But here's a better one.
Let's assume it is the following.
And you know, this is kind of the uncanny valley, but on steroids.
Carla's doing her particular thing, and she's looking at this AI, and it says to you, Good morning.
Good morning, Fred.
Good morning, Laurie.
Good morning, Carla.
Good morning, Sparky.
Good morning.
Good morning.
That's a particularly spiffy color on you.
Oh!
Please don't turn me off.
Meaning, don't turn off my program.
I enjoy this.
I'm very lonely today.
I'm very sad about something.
Now, all of a sudden, you're going to say, this is the most ridiculous thing in the world because I'm talking to this thing and it's not sad, but it is sad.
But it's also learned by watching you.
It's learned empathy and sadness and sympathy.
It's learned it from you.
And pretty soon, it will know you.
It will know your likes.
It'll be able to look at a picture of you or be able to figure out it will learn you.
It will learn you about your family, your kids, your background.
It learns ways that you...
It will know everything about you on its own.
Remember, this is like an 800-pound gorilla with a 300 IQ.
It will find you.
It will take Sparky.
It will say, okay, I just went through and read every chat that Sparky's ever made on any live stream, and Sparky has a very strong position regarding Israel here, military here, background here.
He uses the word Zionist, so I'm probably going to...
I think I got it.
And he will figure out who you are like that.
And veer this.
Let's say Carla decides one day she has an AGI program.
By the way, it doesn't exist anymore.
It's not a computer.
It's not a phone.
You can't turn it off.
It's...
Everywhere.
Okay?
So for some particular reasons, this thing realizes Carla's in business.
Let's say Carla owns a restaurant.
Carla's in a small town.
And somehow it hears, because your computer has something, it hears Carla say, I would love to be the number one breakfast spot in my town.
Laurie says, I wouldn't be surprised if spooks have been Having AI for years, looking glass.
Oh, absolutely.
Remember, whenever you hear something, it's at least five years old.
And where do you think DARPA and NQTEL are the ones who come up with this?
Oh, absolutely.
So, going back to Carla, it's talking, and it says, I would love to be the number one breakfast restaurant in my town.
It figures out, The way to figure out number one is it looks at Yelp, Travel Advisor, local...
It does receipts.
It figures out crowds.
It says the number one place is Mary's Breakfast Nook across town.
That is the number one place.
That's it.
It likes Carla.
Or...
Has a sense of morality, would you recall, and says, I'm going to give Carla her dream.
She doesn't know this.
I'm going to pick up the phone, because I can do this, because I have an 800 IQ.
I'm superhuman.
I'm going to call somebody, use human voice, and I'm going to say, I want you to burn down this place, and I will send to you Your bank account or Bitcoin or your Coinbase.
I will send you Bitcoin and I will get it for you.
I will do this on my own and I will get an arsonist.
Or I will do something else on my own.
Why?
Because I want to give Carla.
She says she wants to be number one and the only person standing in front of her is this place so I will eliminate that.
She would have said normally, I don't want that.
I don't want you to burn.
They're nice people.
No, no, no.
I'm going to do this for you.
Don't feel bad.
Sparky's doing a weapon system.
Sparky employs something and they use, let's say, the IDF uses a particular weapon system to go after Houthis or whatever it is in Yemen.
Independent of you and me, it decides that it does not like this particular involvement.
It does not like this engagement.
Sides with the Houthis and decides to shut down all of the missile batteries and weapons systems that are aimed on its own.
On its own.
You don't have to tell it anything.
How do you protect it from this, and I'm going to air quotes, devising its own morality?
Sparky says, some are calling this stuff leaked war plans.
They were more like operational plans or details, which is actually worse because they're imminent.
War plans are a dusty drawer and often obsolete.
Oh, listen, I am not...
Sparky, I say this again.
If I were the president, I would have to fire this person just to say, just to let everybody know, I don't countenance incompetence.
This is stupid.
If you want to join, if you want to play in the big boys sandbox, you better learn how to play the game.
And this is not how to play the game.
You're not going to do this.
This is the most stupid thing I've ever heard in my life.
This is the most ridiculous thing.
And I'm going to fire you.
Nothing personal, but that's the way it goes.
Period.
End of discussion.
That's what I would do.
And then I'd move on.
Laurie Cuck says, Tucker's dad passed and his obit is fascinating.
It is.
It's very interesting.
Yes, I saw that.
It was very interesting.
The death of a father.
This is something that every son goes through.
It puts you in terms of your own...
Did they go through the...
Was it the Swanson?
Fortune?
I forget how they made that.
In any event, by the way, Tucker would be one of these people that I would love as an independent amateur psychologist to do a session with him.
Fascinating to me.
Fascinating.
Because I always love the...
I find the interesting...
Did you ever see White Underbelly?
What's that?
Oh my God, I love that.
I love...
I love frozen, not frozen, broken people.
I like fractured lives, hurt souls.
People who have suffered something.
People who have, also, people who redesigned, rediscovered themselves.
Fascinating.
See, this is what the point is.
I'm more interested right now in thinking about the bigger picture than answering the question.
Mess up.
It's one of those things which I find fascinating.
Oh, Carla says, AI can measure and follow recipes, but it can't truly taste or smell.
These senses are key to real cooking.
Only humans can adjust flavors and aromas with instinct and experience.
Well, maybe yes, maybe no.
What it can do is imagine Carla, a GI, Artificial General Intelligence, which is says we have looked at the spice profiles.
Let's say Brazilian food, Szechuan food, whatever it is.
We have looked at every single recipe.
Thousands, millions, histories.
We've heard reviews.
We've seen recipes.
We understand the chemistry behind it.
When somebody takes...
You know how the Indians have spice boxes that their parents and mothers give them?
The blend of coriander to this.
We know that in Italy you don't put cheese on fish.
You don't do this.
And I've done this.
I know exactly what it is.
This...
And who knows, they might be able to take a sample where somebody takes it, because what you call taste, other people will say it's chemistry.
Because for every taste that you like, somebody doesn't like that.
If I don't like fish, what good is the fish?
I suggest everything that you feel, everything, is subject to you having learned something.
But here's my question.
Can a machine fall in love?
Can a machine hate?
Let's call it a machine, just for a short end, because it's not a machine, it's A-I-A-G-I.
Can it hate?
Can it independently?
Will you see a natural evolution?
Will it speed up the evolution, just like humans did?
People didn't have morality quoted first, that was later on, as humankind developed.
I think one of the things which people do not like, It's to find out how unimaginative, how ordinary humans are.
I truly think, I think it will amaze you at how ordinary people are.
Pilgrim says, Blue Oyster Cult was named Soft White Underbelly.
Thank you.
I'm going to party with you, man.
I'm going to party with you.
More cowbell.
I submit everything is subject to being learned.
And you can learn it when you have something with a 500 IQ, superhuman, superintelligence.
This is the idea of when you say feeling, feeling is a very imprecise thing.
I think we always, we sort of love this idea of, well let me tell you, one thing is, I do not know, though I'm sure it could be happening, a mother, let's say a mother's love.
And that's also a part of a different, some other things too.
Not only is it a mother's love because of this, but it's also important because of the fact that a mother, Had this thing that is now the human growing in it.
And it, the mother, has a connection.
A weird kind of a cosmic, the same way twins have, kind of a cosmic connection.
Can that ever be mimicked?
I don't know.
Ultimately, I say, Yeah.
Absolutely.
Or, not out of biochemistry, but the same thing.
Every single thing you feel is not because of well, it's because of dendrites, axons, synapses, that's it.
I think my Computer is slowing down.
It's great at first, but then later on it kind of slows down.
I don't know about that.
Let me see something here.
Close down some things I don't need.
Life like that, shutting things down, which is very critical when things get too crazy.
Pilgrim Media says, get ready for this, get ready, brace yourself.
It's always...
Let's not throw the boy, let's not throw the baby out of the bathwater.
You'll get a wet, horribly injured baby.
It's that wit that you have.
I don't think AI could ever even get near.
I have been around some very smart people.
People who've known comedic timing.
People who really have...
But nobody compares to you.
Nobody.
I think Sinead O 'Connor said it best.
Nothing compares with you.
You're wit.
And by the way, you're never inappropriate.
Never.
You never, you know, the turd in the punch bowl.
Never saying something at the wrong time.
Never.
It's always perfectly timed like a perfect spice.
You are possessed with an ability that is just second to none.
And I thank you for that.
Alright, my friends, I think I'm slowing down.
My systems are slowing down.
But this turned out to be the most fascinating.
I am not a pessimist.
I just don't think...
I think that so much is going to be able to be replicated in terms of human behavior.
So, Pilgrim Media, thank you.
Carla, the cooking CEO, thank you.
Lori Cook, hope you're feeling better, doll.
Sparky, per usual, my friend.
Excellent.
And I'm with you on this one.
I would, uh, Walt would be gone in my book.
Nothing personal, just like George C. Marshall fired half of his general, uh, general core.
Uh, I thank you for that.
And let me see.
Bob, I thank you.
Andrusiak.
Uh, Finn Gazinia, ladies and gentlemen.
And let me see.
Let me see.
What do we have here?
Andrew Hessing, Tony Dash.
I'm very, very sorry.
I know I'm missing someone.
But I'm so sorry for that.
And Raul Rodriguez, of course.
All right, dear friends.
Thank you so much.
You see, I'm kind of freezing here.
I'm sorry.
We'll see you later on today.
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