Lionel Nation - The Art of Sabotaging Debate Questions and Driving Everyone Nuts: It's All About You
Aired: 2024-06-28
Duration: 10:21


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[00:01:37]  It stops what he's doing, and now he's got to explain, no, it is right.
[00:01:41]  You never let him finish.
[00:01:43]  That's not right.
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=== Setting The Tone (08:16) ===

[00:02:06]  And let me tell you one thing.
[00:02:09]  Listen to what I'm saying.
[00:02:12]  If you're ever on one of these Piers Morgan shows, which I never will be, but if I do, I'm telling you exactly what I'm doing.
[00:02:20]  Number one, I'm going to find the person who is the most upsetting, who is easily upset, preferably on the other side, and that's the one I'm going after.
[00:02:31]  Somebody who's real sensitive.
[00:02:32]  Somebody who doesn't know how to debate.
[00:02:35]  And I'm going to stick out like a sore thumb, and I'm going to set the tone like you can't believe.
[00:02:40]  And I'm going to lean into the mic and I say, yeah, to my friend, listen, kid, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
[00:02:48]  I don't know who gives you your facts, but you aren't even close.
[00:02:52]  Nice try, Sonny.
[00:02:54]  Boom.
[00:02:55]  Now, the guy's going to go berserk.
[00:02:58]  I sit back.
[00:02:59]  His age or whatever.
[00:03:01]  I just did something and I throw him off.
[00:03:03]  He's going to go crazy.
[00:03:04]  He's going to go crazy.
[00:03:07]  And as he's...
[00:03:09]  And as he's doing this, as he kind of settles down and says, have you ever done this before, kid?
[00:03:16]  Is this your first time?
[00:03:16]  Is this your first rodeo?
[00:03:18]  I don't think this is for you.
[00:03:19]  See, you're not supposed to get upset.
[00:03:22]  Now, what I've done is, when I do this, I take control away from peers, and I already pissed this guy off.
[00:03:28]  So I'm sitting there, and they're going to wait for me.
[00:03:31]  I own it already.
[00:03:33]  I'm the most interesting, and the directors are loving it.
[00:03:36]  Numbers are going up.
[00:03:38]  People say, Who is this guy?
[00:03:39]  I haven't even talked about the subject.
[00:03:41]  I know what I'm doing.
[00:03:44]  I know what I'm doing.
[00:03:46]  You always want to make it perfect.
[00:03:48]  Remember why you're there.
[00:03:50]  This is the most important thing.
[00:03:51]  Why are you on a show?
[00:03:53]  You're there for you.
[00:03:55]  Never talk about the subject.
[00:03:58]  Talk about what you want to talk about.
[00:04:03]  Say things like, oh, I don't know, things like, You know, that reminds me.
[00:04:10]  That reminds me?
[00:04:12]  What do you mean that reminds me?
[00:04:14]  Yeah, that reminds me.
[00:04:15]  You know, it's funny you say that.
[00:04:18]  Wait a minute, what?
[00:04:19]  I was on CNN one time, years ago.
[00:04:23]  And it was right there on I guess it was on 8th Avenue.
[00:04:27]  It was wild.
[00:04:30]  And so I was on one time.
[00:04:34]  True story.
[00:04:35]  There must have been I don't know, 10 people.
[00:04:38]  It was ridiculous.
[00:04:40]  I mean, it was ridiculous.
[00:04:42]  Seriously.
[00:04:43]  It was absolutely one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen in my life.
[00:04:46]  Okay?
[00:04:48]  And what happened was, which I thought was great, what happened was, I realized I'm never going to get on.
[00:04:57]  I'm never going to get on.
[00:05:00]  Never.
[00:05:02]  By the time they do this thing fairly, I'm not going to do it.
[00:05:05]  So what I did was, I happened to have a newspaper.
[00:05:08]  I was reading a newspaper at the time when we read newspapers.
[00:05:10]  This is how long ago it was.
[00:05:12]  And during the course of this, as all of us were in these boxes, I sat back and I read the newspaper.
[00:05:22]  And I was absolutely going nuts with this.
[00:05:28]  And they were going crazy.
[00:05:30]  So I'm reading this newspaper.
[00:05:31]  And they say, excuse me, Lionel.
[00:05:32]  Yeah.
[00:05:33]  I put it down.
[00:05:33]  Yeah.
[00:05:35]  I said, no, go ahead.
[00:05:36]  Sorry.
[00:05:36]  It just got to be.
[00:05:37]  Just let me know when you're time for me.
[00:05:39]  No, go ahead.
[00:05:39]  Keep talking.
[00:05:40]  This is fascinating.
[00:05:41]  And I went up and I kept reading.
[00:05:45]  Now, everybody's watching me.
[00:05:46]  It derailed everything.
[00:05:50]  And I said, but I got to tell you something.
[00:05:51]  I said, I don't know about you.
[00:05:52]  I said, I don't want to tell you what to do, obviously.
[00:05:54]  And I'll probably never ask on again.
[00:05:57]  But do you really need 10 people on here?
[00:06:00]  Can't you cover this?
[00:06:01]  Can't you handle this by yourself?
[00:06:03]  See, because when people have guests and guest hosts, it's a crutch.
[00:06:07]  Patrick Ben-David, his guests, he can't carry this.
[00:06:11]  You never want to give up mic time.
[00:06:14]  And your guest host, whatever it is, better be real good and know how to back off and not want your job.
[00:06:22]  The people that they have always want a job.
[00:06:25]  Think of the good shows.
[00:06:26]  Think of the really...
[00:06:27]  There's a couple of good ones who are very, very good.
[00:06:34]  When Max Blumenthal and Aaron Maté do this, they're very good.
[00:06:38]  But it's Max's show.
[00:06:40]  And Maté knows how to hold back, which is good.
[00:06:42]  I mean, he's good.
[00:06:43]  They're both great.
[00:06:44]  But it's Max's show.
[00:06:46]  And I've seen this before.
[00:06:49]  So, what you're talking about is this thing called stagecraft.
[00:06:53]  I hate to say it, but you've got to go in there saying, how am I going to psych this person up?
[00:06:56]  What am I going to say to win this?
[00:06:58]  How are people going to be talking about me tomorrow?
[00:07:02]  Not, did I answer the question, what can I do?
[00:07:09]  What can I do in today's world, on today's social media, where everybody will have my answer, Cut out, rephrased, framed, whatever it was, in a way that will be, see on every TikTok, it'll be retweeted, it'll be the biggest thing tomorrow.
[00:07:36]  That's what I want.
[00:07:37]  I don't want to answer the question.
[00:07:41]  It's very simple, and Trump has that thing naturally.
[00:07:45]  Answers such like, you're kidding me, right?
[00:07:49]  Tapper, have you been reading the newspaper?
[00:07:52]  Who writes this stuff for you?
[00:07:54]  All this preparation and that's what you came in?
[00:07:56]  Or Joe, you took a week off to prepare and you didn't know that was coming?
[00:08:01]  Come on, Joe.
[00:08:02]  You didn't know that question was coming?
[00:08:04]  We all know what questions are coming.
[00:08:05]  Why?
[00:08:06]  All you got to do is look around.
[00:08:08]  Now, whenever you see something falling apart or on fire, that's going to be the question.
[00:08:12]  Joe, I got one question for you.
[00:08:14]  Yeah.
[00:08:14]  Would you ask Joe, did he do this deliberately or did somebody have the goods on him because of his son?
[00:08:20]  Did they say, listen, you're going to go out and you're going to destroy America.
[00:08:23]  And the reason why is simply this.
[00:08:24]  We've got your son's laptop.
[00:08:27]  And we can bury him and everybody else.
[00:08:29]  And we're going to do that.
[00:08:30]  You got what I'm saying?
[00:08:31]  We're going to bury him and everybody else.
[00:08:33]  You got what I'm saying?
[00:08:34]  You got what I'm saying?
[00:08:36]  We're going to bury him and everyone else.
[00:08:39]  You've just owned it.
[00:08:41]  You've just owned it.
[00:08:43]  They're going to be talking about you the whole time.
[00:08:46]  And Biden's going to say, what the hell am I prepared for?
[00:08:48]  I don't know.
[00:08:49]  You own it.
[00:08:50]  Ask yourself, what is it that I'm trying to do?
[00:08:55]  What is it that I'm...
[00:08:58]  I was in a show one time, and I could see they had...
[00:09:07]  See, whenever you're on...
[00:09:09]  Make sure you got your IFB.
[00:09:11]  Make sure you have a mirror.
[00:09:14]  Make sure you know what you look like.
[00:09:16]  And make sure you see what you look like in that monitor.
[00:09:18]  Show me the monitor and what I'm going to look like on TV.
[00:09:22]  Because these people who are there will shoot.
[00:09:24]  Everybody's got a bad side.
[00:09:26]  Everybody's got a weird.
[00:09:27]  They will shoot up your nose.
[00:09:29]  And that's why so many people do these Zooms where they're talking and looking down at somebody and people are looking up their nose.
[00:09:35]  It's like, what are you kidding me?
[00:09:36]  Or they're in a bedroom with a bed.
[00:09:37]  Anyway.
[00:09:41]  So, as we were talking, this idiot was...
[00:09:44]  I didn't want to interrupt.
[00:09:49]  I kept doing...
[00:09:50]  The camera's here.
[00:09:53]  And the guy's talking, and I turned, and there was nobody there.
[00:09:57]  But I was like this.
[00:10:03]  I'm talking to somebody!
[00:10:05]  And I could hear in the IFB, the director said, who's he talking to?
[00:10:08]  It's nobody.
[00:10:09]  But all of a sudden, now he and I are on the screen.
[00:10:13]  Because somebody said, get this.
[00:10:15]  Get this reaction.
[00:10:16]  Why?
[00:10:16]  Because we want people to watch.
[00:10:19]  We want people to watch.