Lionel Nation - Why No One's Buying Kevin Spacey's Piers Morgan Interview
Aired: 2024-06-13
Duration: 15:13


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[00:01:32]  I don't believe anything Kevin Spacey said at all with Piers Morgan.
[00:01:37]  Okay?
[00:01:39]  I don't.
[00:01:40]  Let me explain to you why.
[00:01:42]  Let's imagine I'm doing a closing argument and I'm telling you why you as a juror should disregard everything he has said.
[00:01:51]  Which is what you do in a closing argument.
[00:01:53]  That's why it's an argument.
[00:01:55]  You're arguing regarding the weight of the evidence.
[00:01:58]  You're saying what should be believed and what shouldn't be believed.
[00:02:01]  Alright?
[00:02:02]  Good.
[00:02:02]  Now, it works like this.
[00:02:07]  First, What is the reason?
[00:02:10]  What would be the motivation?

=== Charges Against Clinton (12:14) ===

[00:02:12]  This is one of the bases to impeach a witness.
[00:02:15]  Impeach means to affect credibility.
[00:02:17]  Why would Kevin Spacey go on TV in the world and say, guess what?
[00:02:22]  I am broke.
[00:02:23]  I am on the balls of my arse.
[00:02:27]  I have nothing.
[00:02:29]  I am teetering on bankruptcy.
[00:02:32]  I've lost, I think it was like eight or nine separate...
[00:02:36]  Successfully, by the way.
[00:02:37]  He's been very successful in civil and criminal charges for a variety of untoward activities.
[00:02:43]  And of those, I have been successful.
[00:02:47]  That's what he would say.
[00:02:48]  But I have to liquidate everything.
[00:02:50]  And now we find that he has had a flat in London.
[00:02:54]  Or not a flat, but a place in London.
[00:02:57]  L.A., Baltimore.
[00:03:01]  Okay, fine.
[00:03:02]  That's number one.
[00:03:05]  Why is somebody...
[00:03:06]  Who was trying to get back on the horse, as he said.
[00:03:12]  Why would he, or why would his agent, or anybody in the business, who I'm sure would offer him advice, say, go on TV and look desperate.
[00:03:22]  When was the last time you ever saw anybody?
[00:03:28]  Anybody.
[00:03:30]  Tori Spelling, even, or...
[00:03:34]  Val Kilmer.
[00:03:35]  I'm trying to think of some classic, terrible examples of people who have really been either destitute or on the verge.
[00:03:43]  Never!
[00:03:45]  Can you imagine Clint Eastwood doing that?
[00:03:47]  No!
[00:03:48]  So, first of all, who does this?
[00:03:52]  Hollywood, and let's just use that term collectively, is about illusion.
[00:03:57]  And the creation of an image, the creation of a feel.
[00:04:02]  Of his invincibility.
[00:04:04]  He is Underwood.
[00:04:06]  He is Kaiser Sose.
[00:04:11]  Whatever.
[00:04:14]  Why would you do this?
[00:04:16]  Next, what does this do to your asking price?
[00:04:20]  If you say, okay, I've got a movie coming up.
[00:04:24]  I may, in a weird way, want him because people are going to want to see what he looks like after...
[00:04:31]  This tremendous fall from grace.
[00:04:33]  But now that he's told me he's desperate, now that he told me he has nothing, I'm going to offer him a half or a third of what I would normally because I know he's desperate.
[00:04:42]  So why would you undercut your sale ability?
[00:04:45]  What agent, if he has one, would ever advise him of that?
[00:04:49]  Okay?
[00:04:50]  That's that.
[00:04:53]  Why would you go on Piers Morgan?
[00:04:55]  Did you hear him on Lex Friedman?
[00:04:57]  That was good.
[00:04:58]  It was very good.
[00:05:00]  In fact, that's the way to do it.
[00:05:04]  He was most impressed if he was talking about being an actor.
[00:05:08]  The way to make people forget what you have done is to not talk about what you have done.
[00:05:20]  Kevin Spacey was talking about acting and how he played Richard III and it was great.
[00:05:25]  And I thought to myself, you know what?
[00:05:29]  I even told my wife, I said, you know, you want to see this.
[00:05:32]  This is, he acquits himself.
[00:05:34]  He speaks rather elliptically, you know, to the particular charges, but I thought he was excellent.
[00:05:40]  Then we have Piers Morgan.
[00:05:42]  Piers Morgan, spoiler alert, is a hack.
[00:05:47]  He's Geraldo Rivera with a phony, posh British accent.
[00:05:53]  He's a tackling dummy.
[00:05:56]  He's a rodeo clown.
[00:05:57]  Low-hanging fruit.
[00:05:59]  Clicks, viral videos, sensationalism.
[00:06:04]  What are you doing going on his show?
[00:06:10]  He has no interest in anything but...
[00:06:14]  He wants that Shmuley Botiak moment.
[00:06:18]  He wants the screams.
[00:06:20]  He wants the yells.
[00:06:21]  He wants something where somebody is embarrassed.
[00:06:25]  What were you thinking?
[00:06:29]  Whatever you thought you may have...
[00:06:33]  And by the way, the Lex Friedman interview is phenomenal.
[00:06:36]  And Lex Friedman is phenomenal.
[00:06:38]  He's one of the best things on digital platforming today.
[00:06:44]  But, instead you go on to this hack.
[00:06:48]  He's a tackling dummy.
[00:06:49]  He's a jadrool.
[00:06:50]  He's a low-hanging fruit.
[00:06:52]  He's a, as they would say, Downtown, he's a chooch.
[00:06:58]  He's a fool.
[00:07:01]  But you fell for that.
[00:07:04]  Next.
[00:07:06]  Why are you talking about trips you took with Clinton on a certain plane with a certain person whose name we can't mention here?
[00:07:22]  Did you know he was going to bring that up?
[00:07:24]  Yes.
[00:07:26]  Did you think about the questionnaire?
[00:07:28]  Apparently not.
[00:07:29]  Why are you talking about this?
[00:07:34]  Here's one for you.
[00:07:38]  Mr. Morgan, as you know, and always do this, as you know, whether somebody knows it or not, you can say, as you know, especially with your experience.
[00:07:49]  As you know, one can never be sure.
[00:07:54]  In terms of pending civil and criminal cases, that may still have some degree of life to them.
[00:08:03]  I would want to do nothing to deliberately or inadvertently revivify those charges and challenges by virtue of saying something that would do nothing but rekindle, reiterate, revitalize.
[00:08:23]  Charges against me, accusations against me, investigations against me by virtue of discussions of that person whose name I will not mention.
[00:08:37]  So as you can tell, Mr. Morgan, is it?
[00:08:41]  As you can tell, sir, it's in everybody's best sense, especially me, after I've been 100% successful in acquitting myself, literally, For me not to discuss this.
[00:08:55]  So what's the point of you going on?
[00:08:57]  Because then he gets to this other stuff.
[00:09:00]  Are you aware of any airplane flights you took with Bill Clinton?
[00:09:05]  And that's it.
[00:09:06]  I said, that's it.
[00:09:07]  He's done.
[00:09:07]  He's finished.
[00:09:09]  Because don't you understand something?
[00:09:14]  When you try to explain that, you come across as a fool.
[00:09:20]  And no one believes you.
[00:09:22]  Do you understand what I'm saying?
[00:09:24]  No one believes you.
[00:09:26]  Because in order to believe you, we have to believe you're an idiot.
[00:09:31]  I don't know who these people were.
[00:09:33]  I don't know who these people on the plane were.
[00:09:37]  I don't know.
[00:09:39]  I'm just there with President Clinton and we're doing some good things for the Clinton Foundation in Africa.
[00:09:45]  I don't know if there were a number of Nubile sylphs who seem to be out of the ordinary.
[00:09:56]  I am sorry.
[00:09:57]  I don't know what to say.
[00:10:00]  I'm not really sure.
[00:10:03]  I'm not...
[00:10:04]  What are you, an idiot?
[00:10:10]  You don't think that on the way over, when you talk to Clinton, Clinton says, listen, I want you to know something.
[00:10:14]  We're flying over with such and such.
[00:10:16]  I want you to meet him.
[00:10:17]  I want you to meet him.
[00:10:19]  This particular person, whose name we cannot mention, was so well known in New York, everybody could not wait to go to a dinner party with him and his confidant and Gal Friday and Paramore or whatever she was.
[00:10:33]  Everybody knew this.
[00:10:35]  I saw him.
[00:10:36]  He was walking all over the place.
[00:10:37]  Eastside, one time he was a friend of Bergdorf Goodman, wore the same thing.
[00:10:41]  A lot.
[00:10:41]  Because when I saw pictures of him later on, I said that's what he was wearing then.
[00:10:45]  Everybody wanted to know him.
[00:10:47]  Go to his Meetings.
[00:10:50]  Everybody knew all about him.
[00:10:52]  Every piece of property he ever had, including that plane, was a recording studio.
[00:10:57]  And Bill Clinton has access to the Secret Service.
[00:11:02]  And the Secret Service has access to every living, breathing version of an intel service and office on the planet.
[00:11:13]  They know exactly who he is.
[00:11:18]  And I think we all know where all of those interesting recordings were, but we'll talk about that later.
[00:11:26]  Not now.
[00:11:28]  There are people listening, if you know what I mean.
[00:11:31]  So don't tell me you don't know this.
[00:11:33]  You come across, nobody believes you.
[00:11:35]  And as far as crying goes, let me see this.
[00:11:40]  You are a two-time Academy Award winner, Oscar winner, Best Supporting Actor, In Usual Suspects, Best Actor in American Beauty.
[00:11:51]  You were the production manager of the Vic in England.
[00:11:59]  You did Shakespeare, Richard III.
[00:12:02]  You are an actor.
[00:12:04]  Your role in life is to give breath and life to other people's thoughts and words.
[00:12:15]  You are A professional liar.
[00:12:20]  That's what an actor is.
[00:12:22]  A liar.
[00:12:23]  A trained liar who can lie, call acting, using other people's words, other people's stories, other people's presentations.
[00:12:38]  This is what you do.
[00:12:40]  So when you cry, first, It is most unmanly.
[00:12:51]  You heard me.
[00:12:52]  It's a term which nobody uses anymore.
[00:12:55]  Can you imagine Bruce or Clint Eastwood crying?
[00:12:58]  Woody Allen wasn't crying.
[00:13:03]  I don't even think Alec Baldwin was crying.
[00:13:05]  I think he was upset about something, but he doesn't cry.
[00:13:07]  What is this crying business?
[00:13:09]  What is this, some show of sensitivity?
[00:13:13]  Look, you may think that we live in a world that Appreciates and encourages frailty, downing a handful of edibles and petting your therapy ferret or whatever it is.
[00:13:32]  Maybe you think we like that.
[00:13:36]  Nobody does.
[00:13:40]  And when you're on screen, when you're trying to play a tough guy or...
[00:13:45]  Whatever it is.
[00:13:47]  They're going to remember this with you and Piers Morgan.
[00:13:50]  And by the way, Piers Morgan is as dumb as rocks.
[00:13:52]  Remember this.
[00:13:54]  See, Americans have this thing where we love British accents.
[00:13:57]  I mean, we just think they're great.
[00:14:02]  There are things, for some reason, I don't know why, we think that British accents somehow contain And are appended to a concomitant form of respect, of erudition, insincerity.

=== Years Of Harsh Criticism (01:02) ===

[00:14:25]  You'll see.
[00:14:27]  But even the Brits, with a stiff upper lip, will know that a man lacrimating and crying comes across as most insincere.
[00:14:37]  Most, shall we say.
[00:14:44]  Inauthentic, I should say.
[00:14:46]  So I'm not buying any of it.
[00:14:48]  That was the dumbest thing you've ever done.
[00:14:52]  And I used to respect you as an actor, as a, you know.
[00:14:57]  And by the way, everything they said about him, they've been saying about him for years.
[00:15:02]  For years.
[00:15:04]  I'll leave it at that.
[00:15:05]  What do you think?
[00:15:07]  Am I being too harsh?
[00:15:09]  Or do you agree with everything I'm saying?