Lionel Nation - Why Humans Are Fascinated By Sadistic Serial Killers
Aired: 2022-10-12
Duration: 15:41


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[00:01:31]  I don't know about you, but I have loved the issue and the story and the subject of serial killers since I first heard about Albert Fish and then Ed Gein.
[00:01:44]  Ed Gein, maybe not so much.
[00:01:46]  Fish, serial killer, but demented.
[00:01:53]  Demented.
[00:01:54]  And now we hear the following.
[00:01:55]  As I report, and as Variety reports, Jeffrey Dahmer, the Jeffrey Dahmer series, Monster, becomes Netflix's second biggest English TV show.
[00:02:08]  Now what does this mean?
[00:02:10]  Well, nothing.
[00:02:12]  Sort of.
[00:02:14]  But let me add to it.
[00:02:15]  Let me tell you what I hope it means.
[00:02:19]  And what I hope.
[00:02:20]  And take it from me, an expert in this.
[00:02:24]  Number one, let me tell you something.
[00:02:26]  I don't like these people.
[00:02:27]  I don't admire these people.
[00:02:29]  I don't think they're great.
[00:02:31]  It's like a lot of times when people involve themselves in organized crime, podcasts and the like.
[00:02:38]  They think that somehow these people are great.
[00:02:41]  They become fans of theirs.
[00:02:43]  I'm a big fan of so-and-so.
[00:02:47]  There's a difference between understanding their place in history and understanding what they did.
[00:02:54]  But let me explain to you why serial killing is so important and why it is so unique and why, don't let these extraneous noises fool you, why these matter.
[00:03:10]  First, serial killing is the rarest of the rare.
[00:03:17]  There are more serial killers than you can imagine, but rare.
[00:03:23]  There was a thought years ago that serial killing was a function of the 20th century.
[00:03:28]  Prior to, I think, one of the earliest serial killers.
[00:03:33]  I remember interviewing the author.
[00:03:35]  It was during the time of Elliot Ness when he was asked to find this after his treasury run or whatever it was.
[00:03:42]  It was like in the 20s, 30s and it was kind of new and it was Jack the Ripper.
[00:03:48]  You have no idea how many serial killers there have been.
[00:03:53]  And you can define them in different ways.
[00:03:57]  You know, more than three with X amount of time with a cooling off period versus mass murder.
[00:04:02]  You know, Whitman and the tower, the bell tower in Austin, that's mass murder.
[00:04:07]  That's all at once, you know.
[00:04:09]  Spree killing.
[00:04:10]  And you can get, you can define them all you want.
[00:04:13]  But here's why it's the most important.
[00:04:16]  This is what you have to realize.
[00:04:18]  You can go to any penal institution, okay?
[00:04:23]  Any incarcerative facility, any carceral institution, any prison or what have you.
[00:04:34]  You can talk to people who are off the psychopathic scale.
[00:04:40]  I mean, you can absolutely go berserk with the most demented of the demented.
[00:04:51]  People who are true psychopaths and sociopaths.
[00:04:57]  No appreciation for consequence.
[00:04:59]  No compassion.
[00:05:00]  No nothing.
[00:05:02]  Sadistic.
[00:05:04]  Killers!
[00:05:05]  And go down the list.
[00:05:07]  And none of them were serial killers.
[00:05:10]  None.
[00:05:11]  Never had any intention of being a serial killer.
[00:05:13]  They killed.
[00:05:15]  Maybe it was opportunistic.
[00:05:17]  Maybe it was something that happened at the time.
[00:05:21]  I, being a former prosecutor from Florida, where we had some of the wildest.
[00:05:29]  Bobby Joe Long.
[00:05:32]  And others.
[00:05:33]  And some very interesting murderers who weren't serial killers.
[00:05:39]  But what makes someone go from being a killer to somebody who craves it?
[00:05:48]  Who craves it?
[00:05:50]  This is what is the rarest of the rare.
[00:05:54]  Again, you can go, you can talk to, you can meet with the Worst!
[00:06:03]  The worst!
[00:06:04]  And they would say, I never all of a sudden said, you know what?
[00:06:07]  By God, I'm going to go out and kill a series of people.
[00:06:10]  They never felt that.
[00:06:12]  They might have engaged in this, again, opportunistically, maybe during the course of another criminal activity, but they weren't motivated by this hunt, by this...
[00:06:25]  This sadistic, bestial hunt where they were predator, where they went looking for people.
[00:06:33]  And they felt this almost like a homicidal sneeze that was coming up.
[00:06:41]  It was building up.
[00:06:42]  And the only way they could satisfy, the only way they could quell this is to kill.
[00:06:47]  But not just kill.
[00:06:49]  Kill intimately.
[00:06:51]  Kill within contact.
[00:06:53]  Kill within...
[00:06:55]  Arranged.
[00:06:56]  Not far away, not.
[00:06:57]  That's why the whole story, and I talk about this in my private channel, but this whole business about Son of Sam, my dear friend Maury Terry, whose autographed book is behind me, and I talked many, many times years ago as to what his theory was, and there is so much wrong with the notion of The son of Sam.
[00:07:24]  But we'll talk about that later.
[00:07:27]  I never understood what it was that motivated somebody who was living their life.
[00:07:35]  You can go to BTK, you can go to Heidnik, Dahmer, Gacy.
[00:07:42]  Three names, usually, of course.
[00:07:43]  The old joke.
[00:07:47]  I think Gary Heidnik in Philly was really...
[00:07:52]  And by the way, I say this not out of a fan sense.
[00:07:57]  I say it in terms of how demented.
[00:08:00]  But the best explanation as to why, and this is a thing that nobody really understands, why, why, why, why is it, why?
[00:08:08]  It was an interview that Piers Morgan had with this, with what appeared to be the most boring man, not Piers, There was some time.
[00:08:24]  Anyway, he was talking to somebody who was just devoid of any humanity whatsoever.
[00:08:30]  And as Piers Morgan was talking to him, I almost moved on.
[00:08:35]  I thought, this is going nowhere.
[00:08:37]  Because, by the way, these people are not the brightest.
[00:08:39]  They are not clever.
[00:08:41]  Ted Bundy?
[00:08:41]  Ted Bundy?
[00:08:42]  By the way, you don't know half of what Ted Bundy did.
[00:08:46]  You don't know.
[00:08:48]  On the sick scale, Ted Bundy?
[00:08:52]  Mozart.
[00:08:53]  What he did, I don't want to go into it now, but you wouldn't believe it.
[00:09:01]  You would say, how did he think of that?
[00:09:03]  Why would he think that?
[00:09:05]  Oh, Ted Bundy was.
[00:09:09]  He's just...
[00:09:12]  If Dahmer is a cancer...
[00:09:20]  Ted Bundy is metastatic glioblastoma.
[00:09:23]  He is, I mean, this guy, he's like this, he's a nuclear glioma.
[00:09:29]  I mean, he was the worst of the worst.
[00:09:32]  But, going back to the story, Pierce Morgan asks this rather nondescript, kind of boring guy, why did you do this?
[00:09:40]  Why?
[00:09:41]  Why?
[00:09:41]  What was the motivation?
[00:09:43]  And he said, and I'm not trying to mimic him, he says, Mr. Morgan, have you ever, it's been a long time since I've heard it, but it was something like, have you ever done something that you really love to do that was exciting?
[00:10:03]  He said, in essence, you don't know what this was.
[00:10:09]  And the line that he said, I'm paraphrasing, but I think I got it was, the sense of exaltation, Murderous, homicidal, orgiastic fugue he was in.
[00:10:28]  He said it was as though he could see the atoms vibrate.
[00:10:34]  I mean, he was explaining a rush.

=== Understanding Serial Killers (05:02) ===

[00:10:42]  And I got it.
[00:10:44]  I got it.
[00:10:46]  I understand.
[00:10:49]  Not sympathize.
[00:10:51]  Not even empathize.
[00:10:52]  But I understand it.
[00:10:54]  I got it.
[00:10:55]  I got it.
[00:10:56]  Because you can't stop a crime unless you understand why they do it.
[00:11:02]  But here's the thing.
[00:11:04]  And I want you to listen carefully and I'm going to leave you with this.
[00:11:10]  Everything that I've just described is still representative of an in A de minimis proportion, a de minimis percentage of the worst criminals there are.
[00:11:33]  Even they don't want to do it.
[00:11:36]  There are certain boundaries that the worst criminals, who have no feeling of compassion, empathy for anyone, Exhibit this.
[00:11:51]  So what you are seeing in serial killers is the depraved of the depraved.
[00:12:00]  The quintessence of mankind at its worst.
[00:12:07]  Remember, animals don't kill each other.
[00:12:09]  Animals don't kill each other except in the territorial mistakes.
[00:12:13]  Not intraspecies.
[00:12:16]  It is against The order of life to kill.
[00:12:23]  But of those who are considered murderers and first-degree murder, even that is a rarity in the pantheon of criminal justice.
[00:12:34]  The rarest of the rarest of the rare is serial killing.
[00:12:38]  And they represent the most depraved.
[00:12:44]  So the issue is, how are we going to find them?
[00:12:49]  What do they say?
[00:12:50]  They always say this.
[00:12:53]  The Troika, they all were.
[00:12:54]  They evinced as children bedwetting and uresis.
[00:13:02]  Animal torture and fires.
[00:13:06]  Arson.
[00:13:07]  They also exhibited or reported abandonment, abuse, sexual and otherwise.
[00:13:16]  Teasing, perhaps.
[00:13:18]  Broken families, drug abuse, or what have you.
[00:13:22]  So does 99.99% of the entire population.
[00:13:29]  So correlation and cause are two different things.
[00:13:32]  Yeah, they may have been bedwetters and they teased animals and they set fires and they were arsonists.
[00:13:39]  But that didn't cause the serial killing.
[00:13:42]  It accompanied it.
[00:13:44]  And there were other people who filled every...
[00:13:47]  Checkmark abuse, violence.
[00:13:53]  They never did this.
[00:13:54]  Never.
[00:13:56]  Never thought of it.
[00:13:57]  There were people who came back from war.
[00:14:01]  People who were involved in more death and destruction in war.
[00:14:05]  They weren't serial killers.
[00:14:08]  It still boggles the mind.
[00:14:12]  So if you want to watch Jeffrey Dahmer, that's okay.
[00:14:15]  That's true.
[00:14:17]  He is, and I know a lot about this story, which we'll get to some other time, but don't miss the point.
[00:14:27]  Understand something, that if I showed you really, really what this was about without any additional beefing up or poetic license, if I showed you The bare-bones truth.
[00:14:46]  Nothing more.
[00:14:48]  Pictures, lab results, testimony.
[00:14:52]  To see the, to use the Eichmann term, the banality of evil.
[00:14:58]  That would freak you out more than anything.
[00:15:03]  How ordinary and how matter-of-fact they are.
[00:15:09]  That.
[00:15:11]  That.
[00:15:12]  Is what freaks me out.
[00:15:15]  And there are more of them.
[00:15:17]  And there are more being bred every single day.
[00:15:20]  And we don't know why.
[00:15:23]  So, enjoy your Netflix.
[00:15:25]  It's an interesting story.
[00:15:28]  But read more, shall we say, clinical and academic treatises on this subject.
[00:15:37]  Because it is the most fascinating thing you have ever heard.