Loomer Unleashed - Laura Loomer - EP181: NIH's SICK SECRET: How Your Tax Dollars Are Still Funding Fauci's Torture Labs
Aired: 2026-04-15
Duration: 02:51:39


=== Welcome to Loomer Unleashed (01:19) ===

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=== Congressional Scandals and Orgies (04:45) ===

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[00:22:16]  Members of Congress are finally going to be back tomorrow after a two week hiatus, which means Loomer Unleashed is back on the Hill.
[00:22:24]  We're going to be loomering people, confronting members of Congress, and boy, oh, boy, oh, boy, is there a lot to talk about.
[00:22:31]  Of course, if you've been following the news, you saw today two members of Congress resigned, including Democrats.
[00:22:38]  Congressman Eric Swalwell, who was running for governor of California on the Democrat side.
[00:22:44]  And you also had the resignation or the early retirement, as he wants to call it forced retirement, because of his own both of these reps, right?
[00:22:52]  Have their sex escapades.
[00:22:54]  Sex escapades, it's a mouthload.
[00:22:56]  It doesn't discriminate.
[00:22:58]  Look, there are perverts on the left and there are perverts on the right.
[00:23:01]  There are morally bankrupt people on the left.
[00:23:03]  There are morally bankrupt people on the right.
[00:23:05]  But today we saw the resignation of two members of Congress.
[00:23:09]  Of course, Eric Swalwell, Democrat, Tony Gonzalez, Texas Republican.
[00:23:14]  Now, what does this mean?
[00:23:15]  Aside from the fact that something must be in the water because our members of Congress are incredibly horny.
[00:23:21]  I don't know why our members of Congress are so horny, but it seems like a lot of members of Congress have sex scandals and they are banging people that are not their spouses, not their husbands, not their wives.
[00:23:35]  And, you know, I'm really glad I just never went to Congress.
[00:23:41]  I just have to say that.
[00:23:42]  I'm really happy because.
[00:23:43]  My life has really turned out for the better.
[00:23:46]  I'm getting married, and yeah, I don't have to deal with that kind of drama.
[00:23:52]  I don't have to go to bed at night wondering if I'm a member of Congress if my spouse is cheating on me.
[00:23:58]  So I'm really happy about that because so many people I know who went to Congress, especially people who started out in 2020, which is when I first ran for Congress, they're not married anymore.
[00:24:10]  They're divorced, including Marjorie Trader Green, who also had an affair and cheated on her husband.
[00:24:16]  So Seems like there's just so much infidelity in Congress.
[00:24:21]  You can see here we bring the receipts, of course.
[00:24:23]  September 28th, 2022, Marjorie Taylor Greene's husband files for divorce.
[00:24:28]  And of course, he filed for divorce because she had an affair.
[00:24:31]  You can pull that story up too.
[00:24:32]  I think it's a Daily Mail story about having sex with a tantric sex guru.
[00:24:36]  Type in Guru New York or Daily Mail.
[00:24:40]  I think it was a Daily Mail article.
[00:24:43]  Type in MTG divorce tantric sex guru.
[00:24:49]  Yeah, there we go.
[00:24:52]  Exclusive, embattled QAnon Congresswoman Marjorie Trader Green openly cheated on her husband of 25 years with a polyamorous tantric sex guru and then moved on to another affair with the manager at her gym.
[00:25:03]  So many members of Congress are having affairs.
[00:25:06]  And whether it's Marjorie Trader Green or Eric Swalwell, who was just accused of raping a woman today, there was a press conference.
[00:25:14]  We're going to play some of these clips for you.
[00:25:17]  In case you missed the highlights, there's a woman who claims that she was not having a Romantic relationship with Eric Swalwell.
[00:25:27]  Rather, she enjoyed politics and was networking because she owned a software company.
[00:25:34]  And according to her account or recount of events, rather, she hung out with Eric Swalwell several times and, you know, ended up getting drunk.
[00:25:45]  And she believes that he ended up putting something in her drink.
[00:25:51]  So you can go ahead and take a listen to this clip.
[00:25:53]  This is from the press conference earlier today.
[00:25:56]  But it is apparent that.
[00:25:58]  Eric Swalwell isn't the only member of Congress who is engaged in this type of activity.
[00:26:03]  And it kind of reminds me of what Madison Cawthorn said on his way out of Congress about how he was invited to all these orgies and how there were all these people doing cocaine.
[00:26:13]  And yeah, look at all the stories.
[00:26:15]  I mean, look, you had Matt Gaetz get pushed out of Congress as well.
[00:26:18]  And lots of accusations were swirling about Matt Gaetz and his activity.
[00:26:24]  All I'm saying is that there seems to be a lot of this type of activity that goes on in Congress on both sides of the aisle.
[00:26:31]  But.

=== Eric Swalwell's Infidelity Exposed (15:05) ===

[00:26:32]  Hey, eventually people get caught.
[00:26:34]  You can only lie for so long, but it's pretty remarkable.
[00:26:38]  I don't know.
[00:26:39]  Today must be the first time ever in history where you had a Republican and Democrat both resign from Congress on the same day for affairs and sex scandals.
[00:26:47]  So let's go ahead and play this clip.
[00:26:51]  On the third occasion, I believe he drugged my drink.
[00:26:59]  I only had one glass of wine.
[00:27:08]  He, we were supposed to go to a political event, and he said he needed to get paperwork from his hotel room.
[00:27:18]  When I arrived at his hotel room, I was already incapacitated and I couldn't move my arms or my body.
[00:27:31]  He raped me and he choked me, and while he was choking me, I lost consciousness.
[00:27:45]  And I thought I died.
[00:27:48]  I did not consent to any sexual activity.
[00:27:54]  Although I did not undergo a rape kit at the time, I disclosed the assault to the people closest to me.
[00:28:04]  I also recorded these events in my handwritten calendar.
[00:28:10]  The assault and its impact were later documented during my therapy sessions.
[00:28:16]  At a sexual assault center in Connecticut.
[00:28:23]  It had a profound impact on my mental health.
[00:28:29]  I self-medicated in an unhealthy way.
[00:28:35]  I did not want to live anymore.
[00:28:40]  I cried all the time for years.
[00:28:42]  At the time, I was in a dating relationship.
[00:28:46]  With a boyfriend, I was fully committed to.
[00:28:50]  I've never cheated in my life, and I would never have engaged in a consensual sexual encounter with Eric Spawwell.
[00:28:58]  I decided to ask him to meet me for a drink, and I did this because I was so far removed from what had happened in 2019.
[00:29:08]  I felt safe because I was established, I had a partner, I felt more secure.
[00:29:18]  That I could have a strictly professional relationship with this person.
[00:29:22]  After that bar closed, we went to another.
[00:29:25]  I went to the bathroom, and I don't remember anything after that.
[00:29:29]  You don't remember anything?
[00:29:31]  I remember the next day.
[00:29:32]  I can see flashes of that evening of him on top of me, me pushing him off, him grabbing me.
[00:29:43]  It was a lot more aggressive.
[00:29:48]  It was aggressive.
[00:29:49]  Did you say no?
[00:29:51]  Yes, I said no.
[00:29:52]  I said, I, in my flash that I can recall, I was pushing him off of me saying no.
[00:30:00]  And what did he do?
[00:30:02]  He didn't stop.
[00:30:03]  He didn't stop.
[00:30:05]  And you woke up the next morning?
[00:30:07]  I woke up the next morning naked, alone, in his hotel room.
[00:30:12]  I, for a moment, didn't even know I was in his hotel room.
[00:30:18]  That's how intoxicated I was.
[00:30:21]  And I called my mom.
[00:30:24]  The only person I could think that could help me.
[00:30:28]  And we were able to corroborate that by speaking with friends and family she confided in, reviewing photos and screenshots of contemporaneous text messages.
[00:30:37]  And we also reviewed a message from her medical provider the week after she received the pregnancy and STD tests, calling her a quote, survivor.
[00:30:48]  So these are not just regular Me Too accusations like, oh, yeah, believe all women.
[00:30:55]  I was raped.
[00:30:56]  I'm not showing any evidence.
[00:30:58]  One of the women apparently documented this in her medical records and has receipts that prove that she was again treated for STDs and took a pregnancy test and also got a rape kit.
[00:31:12]  And then the woman today who had the press conference said that she was so depressed and cried for years on end every single day after this incident happened, where she says Eric Swabal raped her and she wasn't interested in having a relationship with him.
[00:31:28]  Now, mind you, I'm not victim blaming here, but I am just going to say as a woman, you know, you probably, if you're in a committed relationship with a man, shouldn't be having drinks alone with another man who isn't your.
[00:31:46]  Husband, unless of course they're homosexual, right?
[00:31:49]  Like when I say homosexual, I'm talking about like a gay friend.
[00:31:53]  I just personally don't really think that it's appropriate to have drinks with a man who isn't your husband late at night.
[00:32:01]  Like it's one thing if you're at a cocktail hour for work and it's a social event and there's other people there, but I don't know.
[00:32:08]  I just think it's a little weird for anybody to be having drinks with a man who isn't their spouse late at night.
[00:32:15]  Now, again, there's never an excuse, it doesn't matter if somebody does that.
[00:32:19]  I personally don't think it's the most professional thing to do, but there's no excuse for somebody to physically assert themselves over you and to forcefully rape you.
[00:32:29]  That being said, this woman also is claiming that she has medical records and therapy records and conversations that are documented for years on end with a therapist allegedly outlining how traumatized she was after being allegedly raped by Eric Swalwell.
[00:32:48]  So, It's going to be really interesting if these women end up releasing those records because, of course, these are private medical records that would be subjected to HIPAA.
[00:32:57]  However, if they're willing to release these records to prove that Eric Swalwell did in fact rape them and criminal charges are brought, that's a whole game changer.
[00:33:07]  Because usually when people make these accusations years later, somebody says, Oh, they sexually assaulted me or they felt me up at a party or Oh, they raped me, there really usually isn't any kind of documentation.
[00:33:21]  But you can see here, Multiple women now coming out saying that they were raped by Eric Swalwell.
[00:33:26]  Ex-staffer says Eric Swalwell, candidate for governor, sexually assaulted her.
[00:33:31]  And it sounds like a lot of these women have the same stories where they went out drinking with Eric Swalwell and then, oh, well, they ended up naked in his bed, drunk, and hungover the next morning.
[00:33:43]  And we're not really able to recount the night before.
[00:33:46]  But again, I'm not victim blaming anybody, but I will say that you should be really careful if you're a woman about who you go drinking with and who you accept drinks from.
[00:33:57]  And there's, you know, it's one thing to be drugged, but it's another thing to just get totally shit faced and plastered.
[00:34:03]  And so I'm not blaming anybody personally.
[00:34:06]  I think that Eric Spalwell is a total scumbag.
[00:34:09]  But what I will say is that this should be a lesson for all women that one, don't just think that you can go out and have drinks with your boss casually.
[00:34:18]  Like, what are you doing?
[00:34:19]  That's not professional at all.
[00:34:21]  And it's very inappropriate for young female staffers to be going out and having drinks with their boss if their boss is married.
[00:34:28]  And from my understanding, a lot of this activity where Eric Swalwell was engaged in these like sexual relationships with women who weren't his wife happened when his wife was pregnant, including the woman today who spoke at the press conference.
[00:34:42]  Is that the only?
[00:34:42]  I think that's the only clip.
[00:34:43]  There may be another clip from that press conference today.
[00:34:47]  We posted clips on the Loomer Unleashed account.
[00:34:49]  So there were a couple clips from today's press conference.
[00:34:55]  But what's interesting, let's see, we'll go ahead and get this other clip pulled up on the screen here.
[00:35:02]  What I found interesting is how the woman today who spoke at the press conference with Lisa Bloom, her attorney, who she's hired, well known lawyer who represents a lot of women who accuse men of sexual assault, sexual harassment, rape, that seems to be her specialty.
[00:35:20]  She said that she had evidence that these encounters with Eric Swalwell, particularly the encounter where she felt sexually violated and is now accusing him of rape, apparently took place when his wife was pregnant with their child.
[00:35:36]  So, just making matters even worse.
[00:35:38]  I mean, obviously, rape is bad in itself.
[00:35:42]  This case, allegedly, right?
[00:35:44]  People are innocent until proven guilty.
[00:35:47]  But these women are talking about these medical records that they have.
[00:35:51]  But.
[00:35:52]  Look, cheating is bad enough on its own, but cheating on your pregnant wife, that's just beyond the pale.
[00:36:00]  So, we all knew that Eric Swalwell was a scumbag and that his sexual escapades were going to catch up to him.
[00:36:05]  I don't think anybody is actually surprised.
[00:36:07]  The Democrats, of course, are now pretending, oh, wow, we had no idea he was such a great guy, such a great guy.
[00:36:12]  This is a guy who had sex with a Chinese spy, right?
[00:36:16]  This is a guy we could pull this up to Eric Swalwell, Chinese spy.
[00:36:20]  Stipend Swalwell, Chinese spy.
[00:36:22]  Her name was Fang Fang.
[00:36:26]  How a suspected Chinese spy, let's pull this Axios article up.
[00:36:31]  Suspected Chinese spy targeted California politicians.
[00:36:35]  You can scroll down and you can see that a suspected Chinese intelligence operative developed extensive ties with local and national politicians, including a U.S. congressman, and what officials believe was a political intelligence operation run by China's main civilian spy agency between 2011 and 2015.
[00:36:53]  So everybody knows about this scandal.
[00:36:56]  And if you don't know about the scandal, well, essentially, Eric Swalwell had sexual relations with a Chinese woman by the name of Fang Fang.
[00:37:04]  And it turns out that Fang Fang was a spy for China, the Chinese Communist Party.
[00:37:09]  And nothing was ever done about this.
[00:37:11]  Eric Swalwell was never investigated.
[00:37:13]  We were told that, you know, he should resign from Congress, but he never resigned from Congress.
[00:37:18]  And eventually it was always going to catch up with him.
[00:37:21]  Here we have Eric Swalwell with this woman known as Fang Fang, who, of course, is a Chinese spy.
[00:37:27]  Now, everybody knows Eric Swalwell had an affair with a Chinese spy.
[00:37:31]  Everybody knows.
[00:37:32]  Makes constant jokes.
[00:37:33]  There's so many memes, right?
[00:37:34]  Fang Fang likes to bang bang.
[00:37:36]  That was my favorite meme.
[00:37:37]  There was like a meme of Fang Fang.
[00:37:39]  Fang Fang likes to bang bang.
[00:37:40]  That was a funny one.
[00:37:41]  That was one that went pretty viral.
[00:37:43]  But you can go back and you can do a Google search and you could just type in Eric Swalwell Fang Fang.
[00:37:50]  Just type in Eric Swalwell Fang Fang.
[00:37:54]  Now you can see here, let's see, New York Post, Eric Swalwell's shameful meltdown.
[00:37:59]  Kind of a recount of all of his scandals.
[00:38:02]  He, of course, has been accused of rape.
[00:38:05]  He had a spy scandal with a Chinese spy who he had the affair with.
[00:38:08]  And then, of course, he farted on MSNBC.
[00:38:11]  Now, if you don't remember that, there's a clip of Eric Swalwell doing an interview, and he very clearly farted during an interview.
[00:38:17]  Why don't we go ahead and get that video pulled up?
[00:38:20]  And you can watch it.
[00:38:22]  Little trip down memory lane.
[00:38:24]  Let's see.
[00:38:24]  Swalwell fart.
[00:38:26]  Maybe that will show up.
[00:38:28]  Swalwell fart.
[00:38:29]  Oh, here's the video right there.
[00:38:31]  Video went super viral.
[00:38:34]  But it seems like Eric Spalwell just can't escape controversy.
[00:38:38]  Everywhere this guy goes, controversy follows him, whether it's sharding on air on MSNBC, having sex with a Chinese spy, allegedly raping a woman, or cheating on your wife while she's pregnant with your child.
[00:38:51]  He probably should have resigned from Congress many years ago.
[00:38:55]  But hey, you know what they say?
[00:38:57]  What comes around goes around.
[00:38:59]  Let's go ahead and play this clip.
[00:39:04]  Chris, so far, the evidence is uncontradicted that the president used taxpayer dollars to ask the Ukrainians to help him cheat an election.
[00:39:12]  And the complaint that I've heard from Republicans all last week was that you don't have anyone who hurt.
[00:39:17]  Chris, so far, the evidence is uncontradicted that the president used taxpayer dollars to ask the Ukrainians to help him cheat an election.
[00:39:25]  And the complaint that I've heard from Republicans all last week was that you don't have anyone who hurt.
[00:39:30]  Chris, so far, the evidence.
[00:39:34]  My God.
[00:39:36]  He made a little uncomfortable face, like, you know.
[00:39:42]  Anyone who has ever had a fart come out unplanned knows that look on their face.
[00:39:50]  I don't want to talk about farts on the show tonight, but he definitely farted.
[00:39:54]  I remember when this happened, he pretended like he didn't actually fart live on air, but he did indeed fart live on air.
[00:40:04]  Now, of course, the Democrats are in full meltdown mode.
[00:40:08]  And everybody's denying.
[00:40:10]  Wow, I had no idea.
[00:40:11]  I had no idea.
[00:40:12]  And one U.S. Senator in particular is under fire, his best friend, Ruben Gallego, who is no stranger to his own sex scandals in Congress.
[00:40:21]  Ruben Gallego, of course, is the now senator from the state of Arizona, then a former Democrat congressman, representative from Arizona, who notoriously cheated on his wife while she was nine months pregnant and left her to go marry his lobbyist girlfriend.
[00:40:40]  Now, at that time, Prior to that, Eric Swalwell and Ruben Gallego were reportedly roommates in DC when they were sharing an apartment together, I guess living the bachelor lifestyle and whatnot.
[00:40:53]  But they go way back.
[00:40:55]  And there's a video swirling around online, and you can play the video.
[00:41:00]  One of the videos is of Eric Swalwell having a makeout session on a bed with a sex worker who is not his wife.
[00:41:10]  And in the video, you can clearly see another man.
[00:41:14]  And his ears in the video.
[00:41:15]  Can we go ahead and get this video played, please?
[00:41:17]  Pulled up on the screen this video of Eric Swalwell.
[00:41:21]  And you can see another man's ear in the video.
[00:41:24]  And there's been some people that have done some video analysis side by side showing Ruben Gallego's ears.
[00:41:31]  And many people believe that Ruben Gallego is the man in this video with Eric Swalwell and a sex worker.

=== Humiliating Wife with Sex Worker (04:43) ===

[00:41:38]  And one could only assume that it was like, you know, two on one.
[00:41:44]  Maybe more, I don't know.
[00:41:46]  Seems like he's into some pretty freaky two on one, perhaps even more people in the room having sex with this sex worker.
[00:41:54]  Let's go ahead and play the clip.
[00:41:56]  But it's pretty clear that while Eric Swalwell was getting frisky with this woman on the bed and presumably had sex with her, there was another man watching all of this go down, and maybe they engaged in the activity together.
[00:42:09]  I don't know.
[00:42:09]  But let's go ahead and play the clip and you can see for yourself.
[00:42:12]  I think there are a lot of people saying a lot of these people have a lot of time with their families.
[00:42:25]  I mean, again, the man led a double life, and for many, I mean, more than 20 congressmen, people that served with him for a long time, we had no clue.
[00:42:35]  We had no clue.
[00:42:35]  And look, unlike whatever was happening with Jeffrey Epstein, because, like, we, as soon as we knew, we all asked for accountability.
[00:42:43]  And we'll continue to ask for accountability.
[00:42:44]  And, you know, the victims deserve justice.
[00:42:56]  You have a sense of what So, you can definitely see that there's another person there, and somebody else was filming.
[00:43:09]  Looks like more than two men.
[00:43:11]  Because, how was the person who was caught in the video frame watching while Eric Swalwell is making out with this woman?
[00:43:19]  Who's filming all of them, right?
[00:43:21]  Like, how many people were in the room?
[00:43:23]  And are there sex tapes?
[00:43:24]  Like, how many more recordings are there of Eric Swalwell engaged in this type of debaucherous activity with people who are not his wife?
[00:43:33]  So, Regardless, today Eric Swalwell finally resigned from Congress.
[00:43:38]  We have the video of the resignation announcement on the floor.
[00:43:42]  Let's go ahead and play that clip today.
[00:43:45]  His resignation letter was read on the floor of the House, and it's not the end for Eric Swalwell because, well, he is now under investigation.
[00:43:59]  The women who have since come forward and accused him of rape have said that they are looking to file criminal charges against Eric Swalwell, which means he might be facing prison time.
[00:44:08]  Let's go ahead and play this clip.
[00:44:10]  The Honorable, the Speaker, House of Representatives, Sir.
[00:44:14]  I am deeply sorry to my family, staff, and constituents for mistakes in judgment I've made in my past.
[00:44:20]  I will fight the serious false allegations made against me.
[00:44:24]  However, I must take responsibility and ownership for the mistakes I did make.
[00:44:29]  I am aware of efforts to bring an immediate expulsion vote against me and other members.
[00:44:34]  Expelling anyone in Congress without due process within days of an allegation being made is wrong.
[00:44:40]  But it's also wrong for my constituents to have me distracted from my duties.
[00:44:44]  Therefore, I plan to resign my seat in Congress effective at 2 p.m. Eastern Time on April 14, 2026.
[00:44:51]  I will work with my staff in the coming days to ensure they are able, in my absence, to serve the needs of the good people of the 14th Congressional District.
[00:44:59]  Signed sincerely, Eric Swalwell.
[00:45:05]  I mean, this guy's a real pussy.
[00:45:07]  Imagine the balls it takes to cheat on your pregnant wife, have multiple affairs with women who are not your wife, have sex with a Chinese spy, get compromised by a Chinese spy, lie about having sex with a Chinese spy while you're married to your wife, and then not have the courage to announce your own resignation on the floor.
[00:45:33]  Eric Swalwell could have easily come to the floor of the house today and announced his resignation.
[00:45:38]  But he doesn't have the balls, right?
[00:45:40]  He has the balls to cheat on his wife, humiliate his wife, humiliate his children who are forever going to have to live with the humiliation of what their father has done.
[00:45:48]  Maybe their father is going to go to prison.
[00:45:51]  Maybe his children are now going to grow up without a father because if he actually has raped these women, he's going to go to jail for a very long time because there are multiple women who have now accused him of rape.
[00:46:00]  And look, we've seen rape accusations fall flat on their face before.
[00:46:04]  I'm not saying the women are lying, but if they do have these medical records like they're claiming that they do, To back up their claims, it's not going to go so well for Eric Swalwell.
[00:46:18]  But you know what I'm reminded of when I see people like this?

=== Taxpayer Money Funding Animal Abuse (13:03) ===

[00:46:22]  I'm reminded of how much of our taxpayer money goes towards funding their lifestyles, right?
[00:46:28]  Like these people get free health care, they get so many benefits, they get to live the large life, they get to live the high life while they are living on our taxpayer money that is funding.
[00:46:39]  The salaries, not just for themselves, but also the salaries for their staff members.
[00:46:44]  And when you see the activities that these people engage in when they're up on the hill, whether it's allegedly raping their staff, getting drunk at two in the morning with their staff, totally inappropriate, by the way.
[00:46:58]  You really should never go drinking with your colleagues.
[00:47:01]  It's, in my opinion, very unprofessional if you are married and you are having drinks with members of the opposite sex.
[00:47:07]  It's one thing if it's a party, but I see this stuff and I'm constantly reminded of initiatives like Doge.
[00:47:14]  And I'm reminded of a few years ago, you'll recall there was a story that came out about a congressional slush fund, a sexual slush fund.
[00:47:22]  You can actually look this up and see for yourself.
[00:47:24]  But apparently, millions of dollars of our taxpayer money has been put into this slush fund to protect members of Congress and settle with their victims who have been credibly accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment.
[00:47:43]  Our taxpayer money is going to fund this slush fund that members of Congress are using to quietly make their accusers go away.
[00:47:51]  So you can go ahead and pull this up.
[00:47:53]  This was house.gov, June 13th, 2024.
[00:47:59]  An $18.2 million congressional slush fund for Me Too claims.
[00:48:03]  So it says since 1997, the Office of Congressional Workplace Rights has paid out $18.2 million to settle 291 cases of workplace disputes for Congress, Capitol Police, and the architect of the Capitol and the Library of Congress.
[00:48:21]  And this is a Me Too congressional slush fund.
[00:48:25]  So, how many more members of Congress have sexually assaulted, raped, or sexually harassed people?
[00:48:31]  And it's been covered up with this slush fund.
[00:48:34]  18.2 million dollars, and we never get any answers.
[00:48:37]  Like, who is using this money?
[00:48:41]  I think that we have a right as taxpayers to have full access to that slush fund to see whose claims are being paid out.
[00:48:50]  Like, who is touchy feely in the workplace, and why are we paying for that when our taxpayer money should be going to so many better things?
[00:48:59]  Right?
[00:49:00]  Tomorrow's tax day.
[00:49:01]  If you haven't done your taxes, then you're going to need an extension because you are a procrastinator, right?
[00:49:07]  Tomorrow's tax day, but don't worry, you can.
[00:49:08]  File an extension and you could file your taxes on October 15th.
[00:49:13]  But if there's one thing that is just as disturbing to me as members of Congress having sexual Me Too congressional slush funds to pay off their sexual harassment and sexual assault of their staffers who they are exerting power over as authority figures and abusing their positions, and mind you, you know, it takes two to tango.
[00:49:35]  Not everybody is innocent.
[00:49:37]  You could be raped and you could be sexually assaulted and you are a victim, but a lot of people also.
[00:49:44]  Have been known to willingly engage in these sexual escapades with their bosses, knowing that their bosses are married, knowing that they themselves are married and they shouldn't be engaged in this type of activity.
[00:49:55]  It's super unprofessional to sleep with your boss.
[00:49:58]  I know a lot of people do it.
[00:49:59]  Doesn't mean that it's okay.
[00:50:00]  It doesn't matter if you think it's okay at the end of the day.
[00:50:05]  It's not okay.
[00:50:05]  It's definitely not okay to be a homebreaker.
[00:50:07]  It's not okay to have an affair with your married boss or to have an affair, period, if you are married and you are.
[00:50:15]  Having sexual relations or even emotional relations with people that you work with, right?
[00:50:22]  But what I find equally as disturbing, and maybe even more disturbing than that, is the amount of money that we as American taxpayers are spending every single year on taxpayer funded animal torture or animal abuse.
[00:50:36]  Now, for the last year or so, I've been working with White Coat Waste, which is a nonprofit organization, a bipartisan nonprofit organization that focuses on exposing taxpayer funded animal abuse and how our taxpayer dollars are being used to torture dogs, cats.
[00:50:55]  Monkeys, all types of animals, but they primarily focus on the primates and the dogs and the cats that are within these government funded, taxpayer funded laboratories here in the United States, but also abroad.
[00:51:07]  And we're going to get into some of the stories that we've broken and that White Coat Ways through their investigations have uncovered over the last year, breaking down where your money is going to go.
[00:51:19]  So you could feel so excited when you put your head on the pillow tonight, knowing that however much money you had taken out of your paycheck or however much money if you're You know, an independent contractor, self employed, that you are going to have to send to the government tomorrow,
[00:51:33]  you are probably not going to be able to sleep very well tonight, knowing that $20 billion, at least that was the number last year, $20 billion per year of taxpayer money here in the United States is going towards funding abusive and cruel, inhumane tests on animals like dogs and cats and primates.
[00:51:55]  So, joining me now to discuss how.
[00:51:59]  American taxpayer dollars are funding animal torture.
[00:52:03]  Is the senior vice president of White Coat Waste himself, my good friend, Justin Goodman?
[00:52:09]  Justin, thank you so much for joining me tonight.
[00:52:11]  It's a pleasure to have you here on the program.
[00:52:13]  I don't know.
[00:52:14]  What do you think is more disturbing?
[00:52:16]  A congressional slush fund for members of Congress who don't know how to keep their dick in their pants or $20 billion per year going towards torturing animals?
[00:52:30]  What should people be more outraged over?
[00:52:33]  I mean, I think they're both great poster children for waste, fraud, and abuse in the federal government, and how there is so little transparency and accountability about how the money that we're going to pay the government tomorrow is going to be spent, and how there are people in the government, members of Congress, officials at the NIH and other agencies abusing their authority, taking advantage of taxpayers, and also in the case of animal testing, abusing animals in ways that would be criminal if they happened anywhere else,
[00:53:01]  except they're being rewarded with more and more tax money every year.
[00:53:06]  At our expense.
[00:53:08]  And I think that when you cut that check tomorrow, think about how some of that money is going to go to still, even after five years after we've exposed Fauci's Beagle Labs, some of that money is still going to fund Fauci's Beagle Labs because the NIH under RFK has yet to shut them down.
[00:53:26]  Some of that money is going to be wasted on funding transgender animal experiments that President Trump tried to shut down many of them last year, and the NIH has actually restarted some of those and given them more money.
[00:53:39]  Some of that money is going to go to laboratories in China.
[00:53:42]  Even after what happened in Wuhan, the NIH still has over, I think, 16 animal labs in China are still approved to receive NIH funding.
[00:53:52]  Taxpayer dollars are still approved to go to China after they unleashed a virus on the world that killed 20 million people and caused something like $25 trillion in economic damage and crippled the world economy, killed over a million Americans.
[00:54:07]  So there is a lot of.
[00:54:10]  A lot to be upset about, a lot to be disturbed about, aside from the pain that we're going to feel when we cut those checks to the government today, tomorrow, if you get an extension in a few months.
[00:54:19]  There's an immense amount of pain being inflicted on animals at our expense, and the government fights tooth and nail to keep that a secret.
[00:54:26]  Yeah, it's quite shameful.
[00:54:29]  And we really, honestly, have done so much.
[00:54:31]  I was just thinking today in preparation for this Tax Day special, which we did last year as well.
[00:54:36]  And I feel so strongly about this issue that going forward, I really want all of my Tax Day shows, or if, you know, Pre tax day show.
[00:54:45]  In this case, our show last year was on tax day.
[00:54:49]  And this year it's the day before tax day, of course.
[00:54:51]  But it's so egregious.
[00:54:53]  And I think that it's so important for people, especially animal lovers, when you see that over a third of Americans are pet owners.
[00:54:59]  A third of Americans are pet owners.
[00:55:01]  And I don't think that most Americans know that so much money is going towards the federal government for these abusive tests.
[00:55:11]  Last year, the number was $20 billion.
[00:55:14]  What is the most up to date number, Justin, based off your current calculations of how much taxpayer money tomorrow is going to go towards funding these cruel and inhumane animal tests based off of the projected budget for this next fiscal year of 2027?
[00:55:34]  Yeah, so speaking of lack of transparency about how our money is being spent by the government, there's actually no official figures on what the NIH or the FDA or the DOD or any of the agencies are spending on animal testing, but we can make some estimates based on past figures.
[00:55:49]  So, the NIH, for example, it's about a $50 billion a year organization.
[00:55:54]  President Trump tried to cut the budget last year by 40%, which we were very excited about.
[00:55:59]  We're strongly supportive of.
[00:56:01]  Russ Vaught at the OMB proposed a 40% cut to the NIH's bloated budget.
[00:56:07]  $50 billion budget.
[00:56:08]  Congress rejected that.
[00:56:10]  Republicans and Democrats in Congress rejected the budget cuts to the NIH and actually gave them a raise.
[00:56:15]  So they're looking at about a $50 billion budget for fiscal year 2026.
[00:56:21]  And in the past, they've spent about 40% of their budget every year on animal testing, which comes out to a cool $20 billion of taxpayer money being wasted on that animal testing just by the NIH.
[00:56:35]  And then you have over a dozen other agencies that are funding.
[00:56:40]  Animal testing or supporting animal testing or mandating animal testing in some way.
[00:56:44]  So, the FDA, the Department of Defense, the EPA, although we've made enormous progress there, we hopefully will talk about that tonight, the USDA, the National Science Foundation.
[00:56:55]  There are so many different bureaucrats and federal agencies with their fingers in the animal testing pie who are siphoning off billions of our tax dollars every year to torture animals in these wasteful experiments and laboratories around the world.
[00:57:10]  You know, we're so grateful for your support over the last year.
[00:57:12]  You know, the first time I was on the show, as you said, was Tax Day last year.
[00:57:15]  And we have wiped out, made historic progress, wiping out animal testing programs at a lot of different agencies.
[00:57:21]  I'm incredibly proud of the work we've been doing together.
[00:57:24]  It's been profiled by so many different media outlets, celebrating how we've brought people on the left and right together and made this a priority for MAGA, for the Trump administration, and made remarkable historic progress.
[00:57:34]  But unfortunately, there's still a lot of work to do, which is why, you know, for Tax Day this year, we've launched this national ad campaign calling out.
[00:57:44]  The National Institutes of Health and Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for continuing to fund Fauci era laboratories, even though he promised he would cut them.
[00:57:53]  We were promised accountability.
[00:57:55]  We were promised cuts at the NIH.
[00:57:57]  And we haven't seen that materialize yet, despite RFK being in the Secretary of HHS since last February.
[00:58:04]  So it's that 14 months, 15 months he's been there.
[00:58:07]  And they haven't made cuts to animal testing.
[00:58:10]  We've heard a lot of people say that.
[00:58:12]  We'll get that pulled up on the screen.
[00:58:14]  There's an article on my website for those of you who want to read more about this.
[00:58:18]  Regarding this campaign, the WTF RFK campaign, it's their massive nationwide billboard campaign calling out HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
[00:58:30]  You can see here the photos, you can scroll down.
[00:58:40]  A year now, trying to get accountability.
[00:58:42]  And we're going to play a clip, Justin, from last year's episode when you were on the show and we exposed how, under the NIH and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, the director of NIH, they have all these Biden holdovers and Obama holdovers who are still protecting the grants for and even renewing, not just protecting, but also renewing these Fauci era grants that were initiated under the Biden administration to torture eagles.
[00:59:10]  And Before we get into talking about the success of your billboard campaign, which you just launched this week for Tax Week, let's go ahead and play this clip, clip number 16, just to jog everybody's memory.

=== Navy Ends Dog Testing Programs (15:07) ===

[00:59:25]  But the story ended up going viral.
[00:59:27]  And I just want to take a moment to really celebrate all of the success that we've had because just the two of us really and working with your organization and your amazing team at White Coat Waste, I think that we've been able to wipe out over $100 million of.
[00:59:45]  Of taxpayer funded animal testing in various agencies across the government.
[00:59:49]  About $100 million.
[00:59:51]  I mean, when you calculate all of the animal testing that we got shut down at the Department of War and at the EPA and at the Navy, it's probably somewhere between $90 and $100 million.
[01:00:08]  Yeah, I think that's probably right.
[01:00:09]  I mean, we've had historic wins, and I really can't overstate.
[01:00:14]  I mean, after we did our investigation with you, we broke the story about the Navy.
[01:00:18]  We had a $10 million grant for those cat constipation experiments where they were forcing marbles up cats' butts and then electroshocking them for constipation experiments.
[01:00:28]  Within a couple of days, essentially overnight, Secretary Hedsef and Navy Secretary John Phelan cut the funding.
[01:00:34]  And then John Phelan did something no one had ever done before Trump's Navy Secretary.
[01:00:39]  Completely banned any funding for testing on dogs and cats across the whole US Navy.
[01:00:45]  That is a government first.
[01:00:47]  No federal agency has ever outright done that.
[01:00:50]  And they did it as a result of an investigation we broke together.
[01:00:53]  And I know you heard from them very quickly.
[01:00:55]  And they said, you know, we're going to take care of this.
[01:00:57]  And within a couple of days, I remember waking up on a Sunday morning and there was a Department of War rapid response tweet up, quote, tweeting you and saying, we've cut this waste, this project's over.
[01:01:08]  So kudos to you for making this a priority for.
[01:01:12]  The Department of War for President Trump.
[01:01:14]  I know you've talked to him about this too.
[01:01:16]  And we've really seen a lot of results at these agencies.
[01:01:20]  And I want to note the agencies where we've seen the most progress are agencies where the Trump administration came in and cleaned house and got rid of holdovers who are addicted to spending, these deep state bureaucrats, like at the NIH, who literally were Fauci's colleagues, huge fans of his, who are still working there and running that organization.
[01:01:39]  And unless you clean house, you're going to have these problems are going to persist.
[01:01:42]  Personnel is policy.
[01:01:44]  So, as long as you have these bad actors in those agencies, put it on a t shirt, put it on a t shirt, put it on a t shirt.
[01:01:51]  No, but you're right.
[01:01:52]  And what's really interesting is that this really falls under the department of HHS, right?
[01:01:56]  When people think about animal testing and they think about laboratories and they think about medical research, which is what they like to call it, falls under the purview of HHS, NIH, and FDA.
[01:02:09]  And what's really interesting is that it's actually these other agencies that have allocated funds for animal testing.
[01:02:17]  Whether it be the US Army, the US Navy, Department of War, Pentagon as a whole, EPA, that have taken the lead on phasing out or completely terminating all of these animal testing contracts and grants.
[01:02:32]  But for some reason, we can't get HHS or NIH or FDA to keep their promises while they continue gaslighting.
[01:02:38]  I want to go ahead and play this clip from OAN highlighting the fact that the Navy ended all of the animal testing or announced the end of dog and cat tests.
[01:02:51]  Testing, excuse me, following this investigation, because, you know, look, White Coat Waste is the leading organization that's doing this.
[01:03:00]  But unfortunately, White Coat Waste isn't the most known organization within the realm of what people like to call, you know, either animal welfare, animal rights, or fighting for the end of animal cruelty.
[01:03:18]  Unfortunately, and we've talked about this extensively when you come on the show.
[01:03:22]  PETA, which is a leftist organization that has continuously attacked the Trump administration, tends to be the first organization that people think of or cite in the mainstream media when they talk about an issue regarding animal testing or whatnot.
[01:03:37]  But what's remarkable is that PETA has a budget of nearly $75 million per year.
[01:03:44]  And with only a fraction of PETA's budget, you've been able to accomplish more than PETA's been able to accomplish in terms of ending animal testing or getting animal testing shut down.
[01:03:56]  The entire existence of PETA.
[01:04:00]  Listen, I'm very proud of the work that we've been doing over the last decade since I helped launch the campaigns of White Coat Waste.
[01:04:06]  We're lean and mean.
[01:04:07]  We're a fighting machine.
[01:04:08]  We call balls and strikes.
[01:04:09]  We hold the government accountable no matter who's in office.
[01:04:13]  And we believe, you know, we walk the walk and talk the talk.
[01:04:17]  We are against waste.
[01:04:18]  So we run a lean, efficient organization that's laser focused on shutting down government funded animal laboratories.
[01:04:24]  We don't have big gals.
[01:04:25]  It's incredible.
[01:04:26]  It's incredible that with such a lean budget, what you have been able to accomplish.
[01:04:30]  And it truly is incredible.
[01:04:32]  And it's a testament of.
[01:04:33]  You know, putting your money where your mouth is.
[01:04:35]  You're not just calling out the government for wasting taxpayer money on abusing animals.
[01:04:40]  And you're not just saving lives, save thousands of animals this year from animal testing, not just in your work and exposing and uncovering through your investigations at White Coat Waste and the stories that we've broken, all of this animal torture, but also trying to give these animals who have been tortured their entire lives in taxpayer funded laboratories a better life by partnering with groups like Kindness Ranch and others.
[01:05:04]  That try to transition these animals that have been abused out of these labs where they would otherwise just be euthanized after serving their purpose for testing to try to help them find a happy life.
[01:05:16]  So, I want to go ahead before we get into that.
[01:05:18]  I want to go ahead and play this clip so everybody can see just what incredible work White Coat Waste is doing.
[01:05:27]  What went into this decision to end these horrible tests on cats and dogs?
[01:05:32]  Yes, thank you so much for having me on the show.
[01:05:35]  There are several key people.
[01:05:37]  Who led to this decision?
[01:05:40]  First of all, RFK, Doge, journalist Laura Loomer and her exclusive reporting on this issue, animal advocacy group White Coat Waste, Senator Rand Paul, among others, and of course, President Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth.
[01:05:59]  As soon as Navy Secretary John Phelan was made aware, he took action.
[01:06:04]  He canceled a $15 million contract that allowed for electroshock therapy.
[01:06:11]  Testing on cats, and he also banned any Navy funded medical research testing on cats and dogs.
[01:06:19]  He ordered the Navy Surgeon General to review all medical research programs to make sure they're aligned with ethical guidelines, scientific necessity, and the Navy's core values of integrity and readiness.
[01:06:36]  Incredible.
[01:06:38]  Yeah.
[01:06:39]  Absolutely incredible.
[01:06:40]  I mean, you must feel really proud looking back over this last year.
[01:06:44]  Did you think that you would have such a successful year looking back on everything that White Coat Waste has accomplished?
[01:06:50]  I mean, it's been amazing.
[01:06:52]  This is my life's work.
[01:06:52]  I've been doing this for 20 years.
[01:06:54]  And, you know, the dream scenario is getting people at the highest levels of government, you know, not only getting their attention, right?
[01:07:01]  So that's one thing.
[01:07:02]  You know, if you're an advocate for any issue, your dream is to get the people in power who have the authority to do something to pay attention.
[01:07:08]  So not only have we gotten these people to Notice our work, thanks in large part to you and the very loud megaphone you have and the relationships you have in the Trump administration.
[01:07:18]  But we've gotten their attention.
[01:07:20]  We've gotten them to talk about it publicly, like Secretary Phelan, like Secretary Hedge Seth in a Senate hearing.
[01:07:27]  He used that example of the cat constipation experiments that we exposed as egregious Department of War waste that needed to be eliminated.
[01:07:35]  And we've had President Trump obviously talk about our investigations in last year's State of the Union when he discussed eight, you know.
[01:07:43]  The infamous quote of $8 million for transgender mice.
[01:07:47]  This is real.
[01:07:48]  And the liars and losers in the mainstream media went nuts saying this is fake news.
[01:07:54]  And we had the receipts.
[01:07:55]  Our investigation showed that everything Trump said was true.
[01:07:57]  And not only was it true, the situation was worse than that.
[01:08:00]  So I went to sleep watching Trump state the union address, criticizing the transgender animal testing that we exposed, funded by the NIH.
[01:08:09]  I woke up the next morning to a Doge tweet with a list of all the projects that we had exposed, saying they'd been cut.
[01:08:15]  And a White House press release crediting White Coat Waste, linking to our investigation.
[01:08:21]  That's the dream, getting the president to notice your issue, say the right thing, and then do the right thing.
[01:08:27]  And this is the first time in history that a president, any president in the United States, has talked about animal testing.
[01:08:34]  And it was because of our work, and it was about our work.
[01:08:37]  And I'm incredibly proud of that.
[01:08:39]  Everyone at White Coat Waste is incredibly proud of that, and incredibly grateful for President Trump for taking swift and decisive action to cut the wasteful spending on animal testing.
[01:08:48]  And we're excited to get to make more progress over the next three years.
[01:08:52]  Well, it's interesting as well because President Trump's the first president ever in US history to also make animal cruelty a felony.
[01:08:59]  So in 2019, he did this during his first term.
[01:09:02]  But it's really interesting what you said.
[01:09:03]  He's the first president to really address and talk about and highlight from a personal level directly, right?
[01:09:09]  Not just staffers or cabinet members, but he himself actually addressing the issue of animal testing, which is why it's so outrageous when we see.
[01:09:21]  NIH and HHS and the FDA still carrying out these cruel and abusive animal tests because ultimately what they're doing is they're sabotaging and they're undermining the effectiveness of the Trump administration.
[01:09:33]  We'll show everybody up on the screen here.
[01:09:35]  You can see from 2019, Trump signs law making cruelty to animals a federal crime.
[01:09:40]  So if cruelty to animals is a federal crime and it's a felony, why do our cabinet members who are overseeing these agencies are issuing out these grants and overseeing these grants?
[01:09:52]  Millions of dollars of taxpayer funds.
[01:09:54]  We're talking actually billions of dollars of taxpayer funds at the end of the day when you add it all up across various agencies.
[01:09:59]  Why are they not being held accountable or charged with animal cruelty themselves?
[01:10:06]  Well, unfortunately, there's legal loopholes in federal law and laws across the state that exempt animal experimentation from the cruelty laws.
[01:10:17]  So, if you burn a dog, obviously in your basement, in your garage, if you're some sicko who burns their dog, you're going to go to jail.
[01:10:25]  If you get caught, you're going to go to jail.
[01:10:27]  And if you do the same thing in a laboratory, the NIH is going to give you millions of dollars and might give you an award for it.
[01:10:33]  I mean, almost every single day, the National Institutes of Health is tweeting.
[01:10:39]  Or posting on X, bragging about some animal experiments that they funded.
[01:10:45]  This has continued to happen throughout the Trump administration, despite Jay Bhattacharya, the NIH director, telling me he was going to end all testing on dogs, cats, and primates and eliminate other animal testing.
[01:10:56]  Despite RFK, who oversees NIH, obviously, as the health secretary, him saying that we're going to see dramatic reductions in NIH animal testing and FDA animal testing, saying we're all aligned on eliminating animal testing.
[01:11:10]  The problem is worse than it's ever been.
[01:11:13]  We've seen lots of empty promises from RFK himself, outright lies from Jay Bhattacharya, where he has said, you know, when you loomered him last year, he said, we're not funding Fauci's animal tests anymore.
[01:11:26]  Yeah, we absolutely are.
[01:11:28]  We have that clip and we'll show that clip as well from when Charles confronted Dr. Jay Bhattacharya.
[01:11:33]  Of course, Loomer Unleashed confronted Dr. Jay Bhattacharya when he was about to speak at a conference last year.
[01:11:38]  And we did, we asked him, we asked him, Why he continued to lie and say that they were shutting down the beagle labs and they were ending the animal testing at NIH.
[01:11:50]  The only thing that he told the truth about was, I guess, not having, well, removing the beagles.
[01:11:57]  I guess they didn't add more beagles into this lab, but then we later found out that the beagle lab hadn't actually been fully terminated.
[01:12:04]  And then on top of that, they hadn't ended all animal testing inside NIH headquarters in Bethesda, Maryland, because there is also still a primate lab where they were torturing.
[01:12:16]  Monkeys and these very cool experiments putting tarantulas and all types of spiders in these cages with these monkeys, almost stressing them out to the point where they could have heart attacks so that they could examine their stress responses.
[01:12:28]  I don't see how this benefits humans at all or the scientific value of this, but what people need to understand is these labs aren't just in some faraway place like China.
[01:12:38]  Yes, they are in China, but and they're all around the country, but there's literally animal torture happening inside the office where Dr. J. Bhattacharya goes to work every single day for the most part.
[01:12:49]  So, these mad scientists are literally overseeing and going to work every single day where they could walk down the hall and open the door, and inside that door, and Justin can speak to this, right?
[01:13:04]  He's been involved in this industry a lot longer than I have.
[01:13:08]  But inside their actual headquarter office, these people are torturing animals and then they're lying about it.
[01:13:15]  There's hundreds of thousands of animals still being experimented on at the NIH's own labs in Bethesda, right outside of Washington, D.C., where Jay Bhattacharya's office is.
[01:13:26]  I mean, that's absolutely right.
[01:13:28]  And we've heard repeated claims from him nervously responding to you, saying we're not doing that anymore.
[01:13:35]  They absolutely are, saying we're stopping, no more beagle torture, new policy, we're not any beagle torture.
[01:13:40]  Literally last week, the NIH gave new funding to beagle laboratories for, Cruel and painful testing on dogs.
[01:13:48]  So it hasn't stopped despite his claims, despite them saying, oh, this problem predates us.
[01:13:54]  This isn't our problem.
[01:13:54]  We're trying to end it.
[01:13:56]  And we keep hearing excuses, well, we want to cut the funding, but these liberal judges are forcing us to keep the grants open.
[01:14:04]  They won't let us cut them.
[01:14:06]  Jay Manachaya is a liberal.
[01:14:07]  All these people are liberals.
[01:14:08]  And I hate to say it, but look, Bobby Kennedy is a Democrat.
[01:14:11]  All the people who work in his office were from his campaign.
[01:14:14]  All these people are liberals and Democrats.
[01:14:16]  So they want to blame Democrats.
[01:14:17]  Democrats, while they themselves are Democrats, they're the ones who refuse to fire all the holdovers.
[01:14:23]  We have so many holdovers at NIH, Fauci's people, Obama's people, because they haven't been fired by these Democrats who oversee NIH, FDA, and HHS.

=== False Claims on Animal Reduction (15:13) ===

[01:14:33]  I want to go ahead and play this clip just so people can see the reaction from Dr. Jay Bhattacharya when we confronted him in Washington, D.C., when he was walking into a conference where he's supposed to be speaking last year.
[01:14:46]  And we asked him point blank about his claims regarding animal testing and why he was lying.
[01:14:54]  About animal testing.
[01:14:58]  Why are you lying to the American public about ending animal testing, but really you're spending tens of millions of dollars to continue animal testing on dogs, cats, monkeys, and you're continuing Fauci's torture labs?
[01:15:09]  We're not, thank you.
[01:15:11]  Could you provide some information that shows you're not?
[01:15:14]  I'm sorry, I don't know if it's time to talk.
[01:15:17]  I think the American people would like to know, and I think President Trump would like to know too why you're not ending the animal testing, sir.
[01:15:33]  Wait, doctor, are you sure you don't want to answer?
[01:15:37]  No?
[01:15:38]  All right.
[01:15:46]  Now, Justin, I reached out to HHS Secretary Kennedy and I asked him, I asked him, I asked him why, under his watch,
[01:15:58]  NIH directors and people at HHS and people at NIH continue, specifically Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, continue to make excuses for these animal tests when they get exposed, whether it's these abortion experiments on horses or whether it's.
[01:16:18]  You know, these torture experiments on monkeys, stressing them out to the point of them having heart attacks and strokes and keeping them in confined spaces.
[01:16:27]  Whether it's the torture of kittens by shoving marbles up their ass and electrocuting them or doing this to dogs.
[01:16:34]  These are real experiments, by the way, for people watching and listening to what I'm talking about, not making this up.
[01:16:39]  They had actual experiments where they were putting marbles up cats' anuses and electrocuting them and basically paralyzing them to see how.
[01:16:48]  How they could walk and how they could function if they had a marble blocking their butt and just electro hitting them.
[01:16:55]  Again, you have to ask yourself what is the scientific value of this?
[01:16:58]  And so this has been ongoing, right?
[01:17:01]  A year ago, about a year ago, when we asked and confronted HHS Secretary Kennedy about the transgender experiments that were happening on animals funded by HHS and NIH, he said that it wasn't happening.
[01:17:17]  Well, we were able to prove that it was happening.
[01:17:21]  And I want to get your comment on this because I reached out to Bobby Kennedy for a comment.
[01:17:29]  And I had said, It looks like NIH is not denying anything White Coat Waste and I reported about the miscarriage experiments on X race horses.
[01:17:40]  They are just defending it.
[01:17:41]  I know you care deeply about ending animal testing, but White Coat Waste has been documenting how bad actors at NIH are undermining your efforts by voluntarily giving out millions in new funding for grants approved by Dr. Fauci and for new grants for testing on dogs.
[01:17:55]  Cats and other animals at pharmaceutical companies and universities.
[01:18:00]  Jay Bhattacharya and Nicole Kleinstrauer have repeatedly lied about this to the public too.
[01:18:04]  NIH even recently gave new funds to transgender animal tests after you told me that they had stopped last summer, yet they renewed approval to fund more cruel animal testing labs in China.
[01:18:15]  Why is the NIH still giving new funding for dog and cat tests and when is that going to stop?
[01:18:21]  You should really speak to White Coat Waste directly about this, in my opinion.
[01:18:25]  They were big supporters of yours and their concerns are legitimate.
[01:18:29]  So that was a correspondence that I had.
[01:18:30]  I reached out to HHS Secretary Kennedy asking him about this because he talks about animal testing in his book.
[01:18:37]  He actually refers to the white coat waste animal testing exposes in his book, in his criticisms of Dr. Fauci, I believe the Beagle Labs that you guys exposed during COVID that went viral.
[01:18:51]  And I got a response.
[01:18:54]  And apparently, Dr. Jay Fadacharya, in response, when Bobby Kennedy reached out, I haven't Share this with you yet.
[01:19:03]  So I'm going to be reading this live on air.
[01:19:06]  And so I want to get your reaction.
[01:19:08]  Apparently, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya said white coat waste is not serious about reducing animal use.
[01:19:15]  Otherwise, they would recognize the work that we've done to introduce alternatives to animal models that will ultimately and effectively reduce animal use without harming human health.
[01:19:24]  Their campaign has led to death threats against me and my staff, which is why I will not respond to white coat waste in public.
[01:19:38]  That is the response from Jay Bhattacharya that I received today.
[01:19:44]  So that's the response.
[01:19:45]  So when I reached out for a comment and I sent my correspondence, and apparently that's the statement from the NIH director.
[01:19:53]  They will not respond to you and White Coat Waste on the record because, well, they accused me of this too, right?
[01:20:01]  So I know that they're including me in this too because there was a whole article about it where they accused us of inciting violence against them and basically sending wackadoodles after them, which is completely false, actually.
[01:20:12]  Completely false.
[01:20:13]  False.
[01:20:13]  We never once incited violence.
[01:20:14]  But it's your first time hearing that response.
[01:20:17]  And I just wanted to get your reaction live on air.
[01:20:20]  I mean, I don't really know how the NIH director can say that white coat waste is, quote, not serious about reducing animal use.
[01:20:29]  Yeah, we are the most serious.
[01:20:31]  We are the only organization that is demanding that the NIH exercise the authority that they have, that Jay has, and that RFK have to eliminate animal testing overnight.
[01:20:41]  That's what we want.
[01:20:43]  Unfortunately, PETA, who keeps sending Jay flowers and he keeps bragging about it, even though he hasn't cut a single animal test, these big establishment animal groups have been captured by the NIH and they're doing PR for them.
[01:20:57]  You have the Trump administration literally posting press releases from Left wing animal rights groups applauding Jay and RFK for not doing anything, for saying they're going to spend more money on organoids and other technologies without actually committing to reducing animal testing.
[01:21:13]  Right.
[01:21:13]  And, you know, like I will say to his credit, you know, RFK, he could easily just, you know, ignore the correspondence or not reach out.
[01:21:21]  I mean, look, he's reaching out and it sounds like he's, you know, directly copying and pasting the messages and the correspondences over to NIH to get answers.
[01:21:30]  But ultimately, you know, this falls under HHS.
[01:21:34]  And so there has to be.
[01:21:36]  A reckoning at some point in time, if the NIH director continues lying to Secretary Kennedy or continues giving him false information that then gets released to the world by NIH and HHS, somebody eventually has to be fired, right?
[01:21:52]  Like if Jay Bhattacharya is going to continue to defy the orders of the Trump administration and it's going to continue deceiving HHS into believing that animal tests are being reduced and literally lying about these investigations when they get published, when All of the grants are cited and all of the information is released to the public.
[01:22:15]  Eventually, somebody has to leave, right?
[01:22:17]  And so, I think eventually there's going to come a point where Secretary Kennedy is going to have to have this conversation with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and President Trump because the NIH director, as it currently stands, is not implementing the stated goals and the stated wishes of the president, President Trump himself.
[01:22:40]  President Trump's administration.
[01:22:41]  We've seen that NIH has continued to express resistance towards the 40% budget reduction to their agency that was proposed by the Trump administration.
[01:22:53]  And of course, a lot of this money that we're talking about, 40% of their budget, would be used on animal testing.
[01:23:00]  And so you have President Trump, who is committed to ending animal cruelty and has expressed interest because I've had conversations directly with the president about this.
[01:23:09]  And I mean, I know that the president thinks that this is a waste of money.
[01:23:13]  I mean, he.
[01:23:14]  Has said it to me and he's also said it publicly.
[01:23:17]  So I don't really feel like I'm sharing any private information because the president himself openly mocked these experiments during the State of the Union address when he's like, What the hell are we doing with like transgender mice experiments?
[01:23:29]  Right.
[01:23:30]  And then people tried to say that this wasn't real and that it was fake news.
[01:23:33]  But no, in fact, it actually was.
[01:23:35]  And the media went into meltdown mode after the State of the Union address, you'll recall, saying that, Oh, the president made this up.
[01:23:41]  There's no such thing as these transgender mice experiments.
[01:23:43]  When in reality, there were transgender And there still are transgender mice experiments taking place, unfortunately, because NIH doesn't seem to want to cut these grants.
[01:23:53]  And they keep lying and saying that these grants are cut.
[01:23:56]  And that's a big problem if the president is under the impression that these tests have ended when they actually have not ended.
[01:24:06]  That's exactly right.
[01:24:07]  And Jay is basically has been going on Capitol Hill.
[01:24:09]  He's done this a number of times, goes in these budget hearings and promises Democrats and Republicans in Congress on the appropriations committees and other oversight committees.
[01:24:20]  He promises he's going to spend the full budget of the NIH against the wishes of President Trump last year.
[01:24:26]  And the president and OMB just proposed a 10% cut to NIH this year.
[01:24:33]  And I'm sure Jay is going to also promise that he will spend every last penny that Congress gives him and he is not going to hold back any funding.
[01:24:40]  So, not only is he openly defying President Trump and has been for over a year, he took office in April of last year, so just about a year he's been there.
[01:24:50]  He's renewed funding for transgender animal experiments.
[01:24:53]  The most recent one we found, they just got money a couple months ago, half a million bucks to the University of California, San Diego, to create 10,000 transgender mice where they're taking female mice, cutting their ovaries out, and injecting them with testosterone to mimic transgender people, humans.
[01:25:13]  Jay just gave that more money voluntarily.
[01:25:16]  This is what, you know, he doesn't like how the public's responding.
[01:25:19]  He doesn't like how white coat waste is responding.
[01:25:21]  This is what accountability looks like.
[01:25:23]  You want to be in the big chair?
[01:25:24]  There's accountability.
[01:25:25]  People are going to demand accountability.
[01:25:27]  They're going to demand answers.
[01:25:28]  They're going to demand action.
[01:25:30]  Jake personally promised me to my face one year ago that he would cut all testing, all funding for testing on dogs, cats, and primates.
[01:25:37]  I met with him after he was confirmed.
[01:25:38]  He was a big supporter of ours.
[01:25:40]  I met with him.
[01:25:41]  He said, we're going to cut all that testing.
[01:25:43]  Didn't happen.
[01:25:44]  Obviously, he's continued to dole out tens of millions of dollars, over $126 million.
[01:25:49]  That's the real reason.
[01:25:50]  In the last year.
[01:25:51]  That's the real reason why he doesn't want to meet.
[01:25:53]  So, again, I had not published that statement before.
[01:25:57]  I just received it a couple hours ago.
[01:25:59]  I wanted to save it for while we were live on air.
[01:26:03]  But it's quite ridiculous to say that white coat waste doesn't actually care about reducing animal use when if it weren't for white coat waste and if it weren't for me amplifying the investigations of white coat waste and helping share this information.
[01:26:20]  There would be thousands of more animals that would be dead this year, and they would have died over the last year, too, from these abusive animal tests.
[01:26:28]  Because we, as I said before, have been able through these investigations at White Coat Waste to be able to shut down nearly $100 million of animal testing, which is more than Jay Bhattacharya will ever be able to say that he's done as it pertains to reducing animal use.
[01:26:45]  So, isn't that the very definition of caring about?
[01:26:50]  Eliminating the use of animals for these experiments.
[01:26:53]  If you are ending or eliminating funding for $100 million of multi agency tests and getting agency heads to openly ban continued testing on these animals, isn't that the very definition of caring about?
[01:27:10]  And again, I'll look at his exact wording, but not serious about reducing animal use.
[01:27:18]  Isn't that the exact definition of reducing animal use?
[01:27:21]  Our demand.
[01:27:22]  Our demand is that he cut all funding for animal testing yesterday, not wait 10 years and gamble with animals' lives on some technologies that probably won't come to fruition and not save a single animal, which is what he's all he's saying he's going to do is spend more money.
[01:27:38]  He's not committing to cut any money.
[01:27:40]  He's saying, I'm going to spend more money on some new technologies that might not never save a single animal with literally no commitment to actually reducing animal use.
[01:27:50]  So, Waiko waste is the reason this is an issue for the Trump administration, for MAGA and MAHA.
[01:27:56]  Our Wuhan lab investigation, when we first exposed Fauci's funding for the Wuhan lab in 2020, and then Beagle Gate in 2021, Fauci's Beagle Testing, which Jay has continued to fund voluntarily, continued to give those experiments more money.
[01:28:09]  This is the reason why this is on the agenda.
[01:28:11]  And you can look back at Jay's social media, at Bobby Kennedy's social media, any Trump administration official's social media.
[01:28:19]  When did they start talking about animal testing?
[01:28:22]  When is the first time that any of these people, Marty McCarrie at FDA, the first time any of them ever spoke about or commented about animal testing on their socials?
[01:28:31]  It was White Coat Waste investigations of Wuhan and Beaglegate.
[01:28:34]  It wasn't any stupid stunt PETA pulled or organs on a chip or some other nonsense that Jay's interested in.
[01:28:41]  It was our investigations, and we've been demanding since day one that they cut all the funding, and we're going to hold them accountable to doing that.
[01:28:48]  So, to say that we're not serious, he's the one who's not serious about reducing animal testing.
[01:28:52]  Because if he was, if you actually care and you're sitting in that role and you have the authority to literally tomorrow say we're not going to fund this stuff anymore, he has the authority to do that.
[01:29:02]  Bobby Kennedy promised that when RFK was running for president, he said he was going to come in and cut overnight.
[01:29:10]  He said he had the authority to, and he was going to come in and cut funding overnight for NIH grants.
[01:29:16]  Now you have Jay saying, oh, I can't.
[01:29:18]  The courts tied my hands, and these are pre existing projects.
[01:29:21]  And on top of that, he's giving out brand new grants.
[01:29:24]  And guess what?
[01:29:25]  Not only is Jay the problem, if you look on the NIH's roster of senior leaders, the five people, most senior people at NIH right below Jay, all Obama holdovers.
[01:29:36]  All Fauci era Obama and Biden holdovers, including people who hate Trump, posted lots of anti Trump stuff, love Fauci, and you have people who are not.

=== Dr. Fauci's Cruel Experiments Continue (14:56) ===

[01:29:47]  And including people who participated in illegal cane of function research, which has since been outlawed by the Trump administration.
[01:29:54]  So, why are people who participated in gain of function and still have expressed a desire to continue gain of function in violation of a Trump executive order that literally got 1.2 million Americans murdered?
[01:30:07]  I'm talking about the gain of function research with the COVID virus, of course, the bioweapon, whatever you want to call it, that killed millions of people worldwide, including 1.2 million Americans that nobody has any accountability for, that Dr. Fowler himself was.
[01:30:25]  Literally pardoned for.
[01:30:26]  So, why are these mad?
[01:30:28]  We call them mad scientists because they are literally mad scientists.
[01:30:31]  I mean, digging up dead bodies, doing experiments on dead bodies, the stuff that these officials are doing when you look under the hood, it's disgusting.
[01:30:43]  And for people who need a little bit of a refresher, we can go ahead and play clip number 16 from when you were on my show a year ago when we were exposing these Beagle torture investigations.
[01:30:53]  And then we should just go ahead also and play.
[01:30:58]  Some of these news clips from when these Fauci era beagle experiments were exposed during Beagle Gate at the height of COVID, so that everybody can be reminded because a lot of people have seen these experiments and they've seen the story and they've seen the horrific reports about beagles having their heads put inside containers, eaten alive by flies, and the terrible experiments that you guys exposed, but they don't know that it was actually done by white coat waste.
[01:31:28]  We'll go ahead and play this clip from a year ago just to remind people of how Dr. Jay Bottaracharia has continued funding these very cruel Fauci Beagle and trans mice experiments.
[01:31:41]  And then let's go ahead and play some of those news clips.
[01:31:45]  So it's not just the transgender mice experiment that they decided to renew, but also they decided to renew the abuse of beagles in laboratories.
[01:31:56]  You can scroll down.
[01:31:57]  We'll go through the article just so that you can see what is happening.
[01:32:00]  It's an abomination that this is already happening.
[01:32:03]  Under the Trump administration, after we were told that things like this were going to end, here are photographs that have been obtained by the White Coast Waste Project of these experiments where they put these beagles inside these tents and they release flies so that the dogs, without any type of pain medicine, can have their entire faces eaten alive by these flies, right?
[01:32:26]  And we were told that this was inhumane and that these projects were going to be defunded under the new Trump administration.
[01:32:33]  Well, you can scroll down.
[01:32:42]  In advance of White Coast Waste interview with Loomer Unleashed, Loomer broke a new White Coast Waste investigation exposing how the Biden Harris National Institute of Health paid billionaire Moderna co founder Robert Langer's new biotech company to torture beagles to test an experimental weight loss drug.
[01:32:57]  The $322,000 grant was given to Langer's company in September of 2024, and it's still being funded until August 2025 under the new Trump administration.
[01:33:06]  We talked about that extensively last week here on Loomer Unleashed.
[01:33:10]  They could easily rescind the funding and end this immediately, given the fact that Donald Trump Is president and he has a new NIH director.
[01:33:18]  And as I said, it begs the question why is the Trump NIH still paying this Trump hating mRNA pioneer and vaccine billionaire to abuse dogs?
[01:33:26]  And the question also remains why are they still conducting animal abuse experiments in laboratories funded by the NIH here in the United States and abroad, including in the very own NIH headquarter office where Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, the NIH director, works himself every single day or at least every single week when he reports to work as the NIH director?
[01:33:47]  You can scroll down.
[01:33:52]  Trump's NIH headquarters, where the new Trump appointed NIH director, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, is headquartered, still houses a lab, right?
[01:34:00]  As I say this now to you live on air under the Trump administration, to this day, right, we were promised this was going to end.
[01:34:07]  They still have a lab that has been torturing beagles in deadly septic shock experiments for a quarter century and they plan to continue their abusive animals on taxpayer dime.
[01:34:17]  White Coast Waste uncovered that NIH and the Pentagon are currently paying a laboratory in China to abuse.
[01:34:24]  300 beagles per week in drug tests.
[01:34:26]  So, again, I'm going to personally reach out to Pete Hegseth about this because I can't imagine that Pete Hegseth would be okay with this.
[01:34:35]  And I wonder if he's even aware of this.
[01:34:37]  And Dr. Bhattacharya, I know, is aware of this.
[01:34:40]  And he keeps on saying things like, oh, yeah, I really like the work that White Coat Waste does.
[01:34:46]  But the question is, if Dr. J. Bhattacharya is aware of this, why is he allowing for this to continue?
[01:34:52]  So, we need to start getting more aggressive on Dr. J. Bhattacharya because he's essentially sanctioning.
[01:34:57]  He's allowing for animal abuse.
[01:34:59]  They're allowing for, and we're currently paying in this joint partnership with the NIH and the Pentagon paying a laboratory in China where my dear Mecca, my dog that I rescued from a Chinese meat market, they are so barbaric to animals in China.
[01:35:13]  They eat them, they eat animals.
[01:35:15]  Like my dog is probably no more than 10 pounds, sometimes nine pounds.
[01:35:20]  And they were trying to eat her.
[01:35:21]  And mind you, she was emaciated when I adopted her.
[01:35:23]  She was seven pounds, which is a lot for a dog that size to be that emaciated.
[01:35:28]  So, They treat animals horribly there, and our own government is paying for this.
[01:35:33]  And we discussed the previous work that they did on the last episode of Loomer Unleashed, but now it's been brought to my attention that they are now, even to this day, under the current Trump administration, renewing and still paying for these torture experiments on beagles.
[01:35:50]  One year later, and we're here.
[01:35:53]  One year later, and we're still here talking about the same thing.
[01:35:57]  But you know what?
[01:35:58]  Pete Hedgeseth took immediate action and cut their grants as soon as you exposed them.
[01:36:03]  You know what Jay did?
[01:36:04]  He gave them more money.
[01:36:05]  There is a lab in Missouri right now that Fauci initiated that has four different NIH grants that Jay has given more money and extended, where they're doing a variation on that the infamous sandfly experiment where they're buying 400 beagles, they shave their fur off, and they put capsules full of.
[01:36:22]  Mutant ticks directly on their skin.
[01:36:25]  Hundreds of ticks are jammed into these capsules and put on beagles' bare skin to feed on them.
[01:36:31]  And the beagles are intentionally denied pain relief.
[01:36:35]  And we have records from the NIH proving this.
[01:36:38]  Jay could shut down that overnight.
[01:36:40]  He didn't.
[01:36:40]  Jay is a fraud and a liar.
[01:36:42]  He lied to you.
[01:36:43]  He lied.
[01:36:44]  He did a podcast with the Hoover Institute in October.
[01:36:47]  He said, Beagle torture, new policy.
[01:36:48]  Beagle torture is over.
[01:36:49]  Jay continued funding beagle torture as recently as this month.
[01:36:53]  So he's a fraud and a liar.
[01:36:55]  And he's been elevating bad actors in that agency who obviously don't share the interests of President Trump and the administration in cutting waste, fraud, and abuse at the NIH.
[01:37:05]  When I first met with Jay, and I've actually never talked about this, when I first met with Jay after his confirmation, he told me that he wanted to go and have dinner with NIH Director Francis Collins, who is Fauci's boss and who helped cover up the Wuhan lab leak and probably broke federal laws doing it.
[01:37:25]  Jay's first instinct when he got the job as NIH director was to reach out and make friends with this guy, not hold him accountable, not clean house at the NIH.
[01:37:35]  Jay wants to break bread with these NIH bureaucrats, not break windows and reform that place.
[01:37:41]  And it's embarrassing and it's shameful.
[01:37:43]  It's not what the president wants.
[01:37:45]  It's not what OMB wants.
[01:37:47]  It's not what the American people want.
[01:37:48]  And we're holding Jay accountable and aggressively holding him accountable because he is a shameless liar who's repeatedly told the press, who's repeatedly told you, told me.
[01:37:58]  That he wasn't funding things or he's going to stop funding things.
[01:38:01]  He's told Bobby Kennedy.
[01:38:03]  He continues to lie to his colleagues.
[01:38:05]  And he's clearly lying to the president.
[01:38:08]  He's lying to the budget office as well.
[01:38:14]  I mean, everybody, the people who are trying to cut waste, fraud, and abuse and trying to clean up our government and lying to Russ Vogt staff, lying to everybody, really.
[01:38:25]  And the question is why do we have people overseeing agencies in the Trump administration?
[01:38:31]  Specifically, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who wants to, like you said, break bread with these radical left Obama Biden era holdovers who have no problem torturing animals on taxpayer dime and then, of course, lying about it.
[01:38:47]  This brings us a year later to our billboard campaign, WTF RFK, and a new website we launched, mahabatrade.org, where we want people to hold RFK accountable for letting this happen because at the end of the day, Jay works for him, the buck stops with RFK.
[01:39:03]  Maybe RFK wants to see these things done, and he's entrusted Jay and other people at NIH to get the job done.
[01:39:10]  And I am so grateful for you for making sure that RFK knows that this isn't happening and that the problem's actually getting worse, not better.
[01:39:18]  And the public is being gaslit into thinking that Jay is cutting animal tests.
[01:39:23]  Well, and his own supporters are feeling betrayed.
[01:39:25]  Like there's so much outrage in the Maha movement lately, and RFK Jr. was really the leader of that.
[01:39:31]  Let's go ahead and get that website up on the screen here, Maha Betrayed, because.
[01:39:36]  you know look he he has he he talked about how he wanted to work in the trump administration And that he wanted to accomplish all these goals and these promises that he made to the Maha movement.
[01:39:50]  But ultimately, now you see all these reports, and there's been mainstream media articles about it as well over the last few weeks about how Maha feels betrayed.
[01:39:58]  Let's go ahead and repeat the site for those who are watching right now.
[01:40:03]  This is mahabetrayed.org.
[01:40:05]  And if you go there, it allows you to automatically send an email to RFK's office, to the NIH, to Trump, the White House, and your members of Congress all at once, demanding that RFK take action to cut Fauci's.
[01:40:18]  Beagle labs and other animal tests.
[01:40:20]  And that's what our billboard campaign across the country right now, in seven different cities, including Washington, D.C., has billboards with that art right there with different species for different cities, calling out RFK for.
[01:40:33]  Again, this is not even the new stuff Jay has funded.
[01:40:36]  This is calling out RFK, allowing Jay to renew funding for projects that Fauci literally approved himself when he was at the NIH until 2022.
[01:40:46]  Fauci admitted that he personally signed off on these projects.
[01:40:50]  These should have been the first thing to go.
[01:40:52]  One of our top demands for the Trump administration last year was ending all of Fauci's animal labs, wiping Fauci's fingerprints off the NIH.
[01:41:01]  And instead, Jay Bhattacharya under RFK has elevated Fauci's friends, COVID cover up henchmen, and other bad actors and allowed them to continue funding these projects.
[01:41:14]  So it's, you know, again, we've given RFK a year.
[01:41:19]  Here's a good snapshot of how they're responding to this.
[01:41:22]  A few weeks ago, and I know you posted about this.
[01:41:25]  I testified in Congress in a Senate Small Business Committee hearing chaired by our friend Senator Joni Ernst, who's been a great advocate.
[01:41:32]  She actually helped us shut down some Fauci Beagle testing during the Biden administration.
[01:41:36]  And I testified about how, when our supporters called RFK's office angry about renewed funding for Fauci Beagle tests, this is the beginning of March this happened.
[01:41:48]  Not only did HHS stop answering the phone, but they changed the voicemail message when you called RFK's office.
[01:41:55]  To instead say thank you for calling Domino's Pizza.
[01:41:58]  So they pulled this childish prank to confuse and mock taxpayers who are simply asking the agency to uphold their promise and the Trump administration's pledge to hold Fauci accountable.
[01:42:10]  And what do they do?
[01:42:11]  Instead, they make fun of and mock and confuse and troll the very taxpayers who are paying their salaries.
[01:42:18]  It's disgusting.
[01:42:19]  And you had people like, it's embarrassing.
[01:42:21]  And then you have people like Gavin Newsom, left, you know, oppressed across the political spectrum, you know, calling out HHS.
[01:42:30]  It's just like an embarrassing stunt.
[01:42:31]  And it shows they're not taking this seriously.
[01:42:34]  They're not taking taxpayers' concerns seriously.
[01:42:36]  And I don't really think they have any interest in following through on these promises that are made because unfortunately, you have groups like PETA who are giving them cover.
[01:42:44]  In the press and the grassroots animal movement saying RFK and Jay Bhattacharya are saving animals, they're ending animal testing when they haven't done that.
[01:42:53]  They've done nothing to indicate that is going to happen.
[01:42:57]  So they're getting conflicting messages.
[01:42:58]  And unfortunately, also, right wing influencers are so desperate to defend the administration, no matter who it is, that they're running with every stupid press release that HHS puts out about spending more money.
[01:43:11]  Just spending more money.
[01:43:12]  It's not even committing to saving animals.
[01:43:13]  When I text you these at like two in the morning, I'm like, oh my God, why?
[01:43:18]  But that's so true.
[01:43:19]  They recycle it.
[01:43:20]  Anytime that they get some heat, they recycle these press releases.
[01:43:24]  And then it's really just recycle talking points from the lies that they spewed several months ago.
[01:43:29]  And when I say they, I'm talking about HHS and NIH lying about ending animal abuse.
[01:43:36]  That story that you told about the Domino's Hotline, pretending to have a Domino's Hotline when they were contacted about ending animal abuse, is real.
[01:43:46]  And this is what you testified under oath.
[01:43:48]  I mean, you take an oath, you can't perjure yourself.
[01:43:51]  I mean, you would, you know, You take an oath when you testify in front of Congress that you're only going to tell the truth because lying to Congress is a crime.
[01:43:58]  And so here's a video of your testimony.
[01:44:01]  I encourage everybody to watch this and to start demanding answers from HHS.
[01:44:05]  And again, ultimately, the buck stops with RFK Jr.
[01:44:08]  And while I'm grateful that he responded to my inquiry and is reaching out to Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, he's got to eventually start speaking out and addressing why Jay Bhattacharya is just completely lying to the public and why.
[01:44:23]  Staff at HHS are behaving in this manner.
[01:44:26]  Like, what are we?
[01:44:27]  Are we in middle school playing ding dong ditch?
[01:44:31]  Are we little, you know, elementary school students having sleepovers and taking out the phone book and prank calling people like we all used to do when we were kids?
[01:44:39]  Like, this is literally childish behavior.
[01:44:41]  Let's go ahead and play this clip.

=== Wasteful SBIR Spending Revealed (09:40) ===

[01:44:43]  More recently, using the same transparency tools, we uncovered that wasteful SBIR spending on dog testing is widespread.
[01:44:50]  We identified at least $86 million in SBIR funding awarded by the Trump NIH to drug companies for other unnecessary testing on dogs.
[01:45:00]  Unfortunately, it is impossible to pinpoint the total amount because of disclosure deficiencies on federal databases, as the GAO has documented.
[01:45:09]  Still, we've shown that in these SBIR funded tests, puppies as young as three weeks old are being injected with and force fed experimental drugs.
[01:45:17]  Some are even injected with fentanyl, cocaine, and have their skulls drilled into.
[01:45:22]  Tens of millions in SBIR funding continues to be wasted on dog tests, even though the FDA has stated, quote, it does not mandate that human drugs be studied on dogs, end quote.
[01:45:32]  And FDA Commissioner Marty McCary has stated, quote, why are we testing every single drug on dogs, usually beagles?
[01:45:38]  It's sad and it's unnecessary, end quote.
[01:45:41]  This wasteful SBIR funded dog testing persists even though Senators Paul, Booker, and Schiff enacted a law in 2022 removing the FDA's outdated animal testing mandate.
[01:45:52]  White coat waste investigations have also exposed Trump NIH officials' numerous false claims that they stopped funding beagle testing and have prompted bipartisan congressional calls for action.
[01:46:04]  Taxpayers are so upset about the NIH's deception, they're flooding Secretary Kennedy's phone lines.
[01:46:10]  Instead of thoughtfully responding to public concerns about NIH funded beagle abuse, yesterday HHS defiantly changed one of its phone messages to play a recording saying, Thank you for calling Domino's Pizza.
[01:46:24]  End quote, before sending taxpayers to voicemail.
[01:46:27]  Torturing puppies with our tax dollars isn't funny, but people at HHS apparently think it is.
[01:46:36]  Did anybody reach out to you from HHS after your testimony to explain why they changed their phone recording to say, thanks for calling Domino's Pizza?
[01:46:48]  They didn't reach out to us, but that story went viral.
[01:46:52]  There's also a video of me playing the actual recording that.
[01:46:55]  Because so basically, the way I found out about this is we had people calling HHS for a few days about this.
[01:47:00]  And then one of my staffers said, Are you sure we're giving out the right phone number?
[01:47:03]  Because about the continued beagle testing.
[01:47:06]  Yeah, for the beagle testing and cat testing.
[01:47:09]  And so one of my staffers, my colleagues, messaged me and said, Hey, are you sure we're giving out the right phone number?
[01:47:16]  And I said, What are you talking about?
[01:47:17]  And they said, We're getting emails from people saying when you call this number, it goes to a Domino's line.
[01:47:23]  So I called it myself.
[01:47:24]  I got the message.
[01:47:25]  I recorded the message.
[01:47:27]  And Then I, a couple days later, I was, well, it was a day later I was in the hearing, so I discussed it.
[01:47:32]  And after the hearing, I played her for Senator Joni Ernst, and she was appalled.
[01:47:36]  There's a video of her hearing it for the first time and saying it made her sick to her stomach to hear how these government employees were behaving when they were getting called by taxpayers.
[01:47:45]  But ultimately, that story went viral.
[01:47:47]  We have that video.
[01:47:48]  I want to go ahead and get that video.
[01:47:50]  Where can we see that video?
[01:47:51]  Did you publish it?
[01:47:52]  That video, yeah, that's on our X feed.
[01:47:56]  If you go to the media tab on there, you'll find me, a video of me.
[01:48:00]  How long ago did you post the video so we can play?
[01:48:02]  We're going to find it right now.
[01:48:03]  We're going to look on your X feed right now by Cutways.
[01:48:06]  Okay, cool.
[01:48:06]  Thank you.
[01:48:06]  And you'll be scrolling so people will get it.
[01:48:08]  No, people should hear this.
[01:48:10]  People should have to listen.
[01:48:10]  Keep going down.
[01:48:12]  Keep going down.
[01:48:12]  I'll flag it.
[01:48:13]  Oh, right there.
[01:48:13]  I see her with the cell phone.
[01:48:14]  There you go.
[01:48:15]  That's it.
[01:48:15]  That's it.
[01:48:16]  Is it this one where she's wearing her pin?
[01:48:18]  This one?
[01:48:18]  Okay.
[01:48:18]  Yep.
[01:48:19]  Yep.
[01:48:22]  All right, we're going to get it queued up.
[01:48:24]  Okay.
[01:48:24]  So, HHS never responded to me, but they responded to the press because people started calling them about it and they said some rogue staffer did it.
[01:48:33]  They didn't say they fired this person, held them accountable in any way.
[01:48:36]  They just said a rogue staffer did it and that was it.
[01:48:38]  That's an easy way to blame, you know, blame it on somebody without having any accountability, though.
[01:48:43]  Were they fired?
[01:48:44]  Like, who are they?
[01:48:44]  They should, I mean, that could be a crime in many ways.
[01:48:47]  I mean, taxpayer funds being used to divert taxpayers and also just.
[01:48:53]  Constituents in general, uh, to some kind of prank line.
[01:48:57]  I mean, there has to be some kind of ethics violation, uh, and being in, um, in that.
[01:49:01]  But I don't expect anybody to be held accountable at HHS for anything at this point, because if you're not holding people accountable for torturing beagles, then you probably don't really care about someone, um, you know, pranking the American public at that point.
[01:49:14]  So they're just completely, they're completely unserious about ending animal testing, uh, And that's evidence of it.
[01:49:23]  So it's rich for Jay Bhattacharya to say that White Coat Waste is not serious about ending animal testing.
[01:49:28]  Well, we're demanding it be ended now.
[01:49:30]  And meanwhile, his team is sending people to a Domino's Pizza line because they don't want to answer any more questions about it because they're getting constantly barraged with phone calls and emails of people who are pissed off about this and rightfully so.
[01:49:42]  Because Jay repeatedly promised this would end, personally to me on all these podcasts.
[01:49:47]  Jay's former friends who he's now betrayed and disappointed, many of us call him.
[01:49:53]  Podcast J.
[01:49:54]  And there's news stories about this.
[01:49:55]  How everyone calls him jokingly Podcast J because he does nothing except podcasts.
[01:50:00]  He does podcasts.
[01:50:02]  Kennedy just launched a podcast.
[01:50:03]  So maybe he'll have you on the show like I'm having you on the show and he can address this stuff on his podcast.
[01:50:09]  I mean, look, I don't know how government officials have time to have a podcast.
[01:50:12]  I don't even have time to pee in peace.
[01:50:14]  Like, I was literally talking to a friend of mine today.
[01:50:16]  I'm like, I got to pee.
[01:50:18]  Like, I'm sorry.
[01:50:19]  I got to pee.
[01:50:20]  I'm going to have to put you on mute.
[01:50:22]  Like, I don't even have shame in it.
[01:50:24]  I work so much and I'm breaking so many stories every single day and doing so many investigations.
[01:50:30]  I literally use the bathroom and put my phone on mute.
[01:50:33]  Like, I'm not the only person who does it.
[01:50:35]  So, I have no shame.
[01:50:36]  So, all I'm saying is that if I can't even use the bathroom in peace without having to put my phone on mute when I'm, you know, doing work and trying to also like use the bathroom, if I have to stand over my kitchen and literally like shovel food into my mouth from a pot because I'm taking conference calls and then muting my phone so that I can like.
[01:50:58]  Take some food and like not pass out from working so much every single day.
[01:51:02]  Why is it that lawmakers have time to do a podcast?
[01:51:05]  I mean, if I was working in the government, I probably wouldn't have my show anymore, right?
[01:51:08]  I do my show, but obviously my show is a late night show, right?
[01:51:13]  I mean, it's almost 11 p.m. Eastern right now, and most people are in bed and getting ready for tomorrow.
[01:51:19]  They're not actually like halfway through their podcast.
[01:51:22]  So, where do these people have time, Justin?
[01:51:25]  Where do they have time, do you think, to do all these podcasts and go on all these shows and launch?
[01:51:30]  Launch these podcasts when there's so much unfinished business in this administration.
[01:51:34]  Well, it's because they're not spending time doing what they're supposed to do and what taxpayers sent them there to do, which is this administration cut waste, fraud, and abuse, stop torturing beagles, let animals out of labs, find them good homes like we've been pushing them to do.
[01:51:48]  I don't think taxpayers should be funding vanity projects for public officials.
[01:51:52]  And that's what these podcasts are it's to build your profile.
[01:51:55]  So when you're not in the government anymore, you'll have a career doing a podcast or being a talking head on Fox or some other television channel.
[01:52:02]  It's just another misuse of taxpayer funds that shows incredibly bad judgment.
[01:52:08]  It's abuse of authority.
[01:52:10]  Maybe even a way to prime for a future political run for office, right?
[01:52:15]  Yeah.
[01:52:16]  I mean, it's anything but working for taxpayers is what having a podcast is.
[01:52:21]  People want results.
[01:52:22]  They don't want a podcast.
[01:52:23]  They don't want you talking, you know, bragging about all the things you're not actually doing on a podcast.
[01:52:29]  They want you in an office, putting in the work and getting things done for taxpayers because that's what people voted for.
[01:52:34]  They didn't vote for more goddamn podcasts.
[01:52:36]  That's no one wants podcasts.
[01:52:38]  No, if you're so true, we should run a poll on this do you want people who run.
[01:52:43]  $50 billion federal agencies.
[01:52:46]  I shouldn't even say this because it's my show.
[01:52:48]  So I feel really guilty saying this, but you know, sometimes I'm like, I probably shouldn't say this, right?
[01:52:57]  Because look, I love my show at the end of the day, but there's sometimes where I'm like, I don't even want to do my show because look, it's a lot of time to prep for a show and I like the show and I use it as a way to distribute the content and to also, you know, highlight stories like this and to hold people accountable.
[01:53:13]  But sometimes I'm like, oh my God, I need to work, I need to work, I need to work.
[01:53:16]  And there's times when I'm literally hopping in the shower and like throwing my hair in a ponytail an hour before my show, like trying to do my makeup super fast.
[01:53:25]  I'm just giving people, you know, some insight into how I get ready because I'm so focused on doing my work and getting results, right?
[01:53:32]  So I'm not sitting in a hair and makeup chair for hours on end, like some of these talking heads trying to, you know, get all glammed up for the show.
[01:53:41]  Like I agree with you in that I try to use as much time as Possible throughout my day to do as much work as possible.
[01:53:47]  And then I do my show.
[01:53:49]  And of course, I love my show.
[01:53:50]  I love my viewers.
[01:53:52]  And I love being able to have my platform to talk about issues like this.
[01:53:56]  But I don't know if I was actually working inside the administration, I would have so much anxiety about like everything that I needed to get done, but didn't get done if I still needed things to get done.
[01:54:07]  Like I'm a very results oriented, goal driven person.
[01:54:13]  And if I had made a promise to somebody, And I had not made good on that promise one year later, I would be going crazy trying to get that promise.
[01:54:21]  I mean, this is, yeah, I mean, that's the problem.

=== Doctors Threatened and Blackballed (06:16) ===

[01:54:24]  But that's why I'm not in the admin, right?
[01:54:26]  Because they don't, I don't know.
[01:54:29]  Seems like a lot of people who are, I'm not saying that there's not results driven people, but, you know, they're, no, I mean, I've been.
[01:54:36]  Personnel is policy, right?
[01:54:38]  So that's another conversation for another time, but everybody knows my gripes with the hiring and the admin.
[01:54:46]  Of course, you're the safety vetting.
[01:54:48]  I'll save my rants for another day.
[01:54:51]  But yeah, but no, I don't.
[01:54:53]  Yeah, I don't want Jay doing podcasts.
[01:54:54]  I want Jay reviewing lists of grants and saying, yeah, this is what I promised to do.
[01:54:59]  And I'm going to keep my promise to the American people.
[01:55:01]  This is not personal for me.
[01:55:02]  It doesn't, I don't care that he lied to me.
[01:55:04]  I care that he's not doing what he went, what he was sent there to do for the American public, for animals, to hold Fauci accountable.
[01:55:11]  That was the whole platform of the Maha movement holding Fauci accountable, COVID accountability.
[01:55:18]  And meanwhile, here's in terms of vetting, literally the person who they got to replace Fauci as the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Fauci's own division, literally the person they picked is a guy who wrote papers to cover up the lab leak, circulated letters, sign on letters, asking scientists to reinstate the Wuhan grant that we exposed and President Trump cut.
[01:55:44]  So he covered up lab, wrote scientific papers saying the lab leak was a hoax.
[01:55:49]  He tried to reinstate the Wuhan, the Fauci's Wuhan lab grant that we exposed and Trump cut on TV during COVID.
[01:55:58]  And he's the guy who was involved in digging up a dead body to harvest the 1918 flu and then bring it back to life and gain a function animal experiments, which was entirely reckless and purposeless, other than if you want to unleash a deadly virus on the world.
[01:56:14]  Again, this is the person that Jay, with RFK's blessing, because he's the boss, appointed to take Fauci's role at NIH, at NIAID.
[01:56:28]  Under in the Trump administration, someone who should have been fired on day one literally got Fauci's job.
[01:56:34]  Another story, another story that we had him on his podcast.
[01:56:38]  Jay had him on his podcast celebrating him as some great scientist.
[01:56:42]  He does panels with him, sitting next to him, saying, Oh, this is a great man.
[01:56:45]  I'm so happy to have him on my team, asking his opinion on things.
[01:56:49]  These people showed such incredibly bad judgment, were involved in the greatest, the greatest instant of biomedical malpractice in history that killed 20 million people.
[01:57:01]  Including 1.2 million Americans.
[01:57:03]  We've given jobs.
[01:57:04]  1.2 million Americans, 20 million people around the world.
[01:57:07]  Those are just people that have died.
[01:57:08]  Like, we're not even, we don't even know how many people have died as a result of that.
[01:57:11]  Like, yeah, 1.2 million from COVID, they say, but we already know that the hospitals were manipulating the deaths and they were lying about certain things.
[01:57:21]  And also, people were trying to pad the numbers as well to show the efficacy of a vaccine that really wasn't even a vaccine.
[01:57:30]  And there's a lot of medical fraud that took place, not just to cover up the The actual death toll.
[01:57:38]  But now, right, like you could argue that the death toll is much higher because how many people are getting turbo cancers and all kinds of diseases and all kinds of ailments and heart conditions, myocarditis.
[01:57:50]  I mean, you name it, right?
[01:57:51]  Like you see these videos of people dropping dead, they call it dying suddenly.
[01:57:56]  Well, how many people have just died suddenly?
[01:57:59]  Healthy, beautiful, young 21 year old girl, you know, just on the soccer field playing soccer one day, drops dead, has a heart attack.
[01:58:08]  Oh, well, she took the vaccine three weeks earlier, right?
[01:58:11]  Or there's so many stories that way healthy, vibrant family, you know, father took the vaccine, mother took the vaccine.
[01:58:19]  There was a story about this not too long ago where this couple took the vaccine and like two months later, the woman got diagnosed with brain cancer and then the husband got diagnosed with lung cancer and they had just had a child together.
[01:58:30]  And so, Here they were as like newlyweds and new parents, and then they're both dying from terminal cancer.
[01:58:36]  That doesn't happen, right?
[01:58:37]  Like, clearly, right?
[01:58:39]  It's just we're getting into a COVID rant here, but people who were involved in this are still working in the Trump administration, and it's criminal.
[01:58:51]  It's absolutely criminal that people who we were told were going to be held accountable, we were told that when Fauci got a pardon, that President Trump was going to rescind it because it was done with an auto pen.
[01:59:02]  Well, if Fauci's a criminal who needed to be pardoned, doesn't that mean that everybody who worked underneath him and conspired with him, they were essentially collaborators?
[01:59:12]  I mean, if you were to use a term to describe what they did, they were actual active collaborators and they're whistleblowers.
[01:59:21]  There's one doctor I know, a guy by the name of Dr. Paul Alexander, who told me that he was working with the COVID response team during the first Trump administration and said that he was literally threatened with having his career ruined and having himself blackballed.
[01:59:35]  By people at NIH, if he had actually talked to the president about studies that they were seeing internally regarding masks not being effective and actually causing ailments for school aged children.
[01:59:48]  So, not only did they commit malpractice, these people who are still working at NIH under the Trump administration under Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who he's praising, but they actively lied to the president in an effort to sabotage the 2020 election, which in many ways was able to be stolen as a result of.
[02:00:09]  All the gain of function research and the way that this bioweapon was unleashed, and you had lockdowns and people unable to go out and vote in person.
[02:00:16]  They had to vote by mail, which resulted in all the mail and ballot fraud.
[02:00:20]  So, really, not only were they collaborators in the greatest act of medical malpractice in US history or maybe even global history, Justin, but they are collaborators in the theft of the 2020 election.
[02:00:34]  And I know that you are not in a position to take partisan views with your organization, and you guys are bipartisan.

=== Death Threats Against Whistleblowers (03:52) ===

[02:00:41]  But I'm saying this.
[02:00:42]  I personally think that if we're doing criminal investigations into election fraud and voter fraud, and the Trump administration is pursuing charges against people who were allegedly involved in the stolen election of 2020, shouldn't they be going after people at NIH who helped participate in some of this research that led to the lockdown, that led to the mail and ballot fraud to begin with?
[02:01:06]  And actively helped Fauci cover it up.
[02:01:09]  Yeah.
[02:01:10]  And there's a paper trail.
[02:01:11]  It's not a secret.
[02:01:13]  And the records and evidence were there before Trump was elected and came into office.
[02:01:18]  And these people were still elevated and promoted into leadership positions and given more power under Jay Bhattacharya.
[02:01:25]  And he's defended them against attacks from people like us, from you.
[02:01:29]  Well, he says we're violent.
[02:01:31]  He lies.
[02:01:31]  He says, he tells Kennedy, goes, let me pull this message up again.
[02:01:37]  Their campaign has led to death threats against me and my staff, which is why I won't respond to them in public.
[02:01:42]  That's not true at all.
[02:01:43]  Welcome to the big leagues, baby.
[02:01:45]  Welcome to the big leagues.
[02:01:47]  I get death threats every day.
[02:01:49]  I get death threats every day.
[02:01:50]  Could you imagine if I just hid under my desk and said, I'm not going to talk to anybody anymore?
[02:01:54]  Because, oh my God, I get death threats.
[02:01:56]  I literally have to shell out thousands of dollars.
[02:01:59]  I mean, like, it's an insane amount of money that I've had to spend over the last year just in increased security costs because of.
[02:02:07]  Death threats, like credible death threats.
[02:02:09]  People have literally been arrested over the last year for plotting to murder me.
[02:02:13]  People have been arrested, and I've had FBI, Florida state troopers, Florida FTLE officers, all types of law enforcement agencies telling me that there are credible threats against my life.
[02:02:26]  And these people are torturing animals.
[02:02:28]  Like the audacity of somebody that is overseeing the torture and abuse of innocent animals that can't speak, that can't scream, that can't say, I don't consent, right?
[02:02:39]  That can't say, my life is in danger.
[02:02:42]  The audacity of somebody like that to cry about so called death threats.
[02:02:46]  First of all, we publicly asked him to show evidence that these death threats were real.
[02:02:50]  I haven't seen any evidence.
[02:02:51]  I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever that these death threats that he claims he's getting are real.
[02:02:55]  I think he's full of shit.
[02:02:56]  Well, first of all, they didn't come from us.
[02:02:58]  They didn't come from us.
[02:03:00]  And people are angry.
[02:03:02]  And the thing that people are angry about, he has the authority to do something about and said he would.
[02:03:06]  People are angry because he lied and broke promises.
[02:03:09]  That's what people are upset about.
[02:03:11]  Now, I don't contone the death threat.
[02:03:12]  I don't condone the death threats.
[02:03:13]  Obviously, White Coat Waste has never made death threats against anyone.
[02:03:16]  We don't ask people to make death threats, but people are upset.
[02:03:19]  People get emotional.
[02:03:21]  I don't know what threats they're talking about, but I see that's, you know, go on social media.
[02:03:25]  There's all kinds of threats that people make all day long against everybody.
[02:03:30]  And listen, I'm not justifying death threats at all.
[02:03:35]  But if you're going to work in a cabinet or a presidential administration, violence is never acceptable, right?
[02:03:40]  I want to make that clear.
[02:03:41]  I'm not justifying it, but.
[02:03:43]  Like, boo hoo, right?
[02:03:44]  Like, so many people, every single cabinet member gets death threats.
[02:03:47]  Welcome to the big leagues.
[02:03:48]  If you don't want to deal with the consequences of serving in a presidential administration, then, I don't know, like, resign, go start your podcast full time, or go sit at home and get more flowers delivered from PETA.
[02:04:04]  Just kind of bizarre to me.
[02:04:05]  Yeah, I mean, it's an excuse.
[02:04:11]  This has been the theme with Jay for a year there's constant excuses.
[02:04:18]  He never takes accountability for anything.
[02:04:21]  The people he listens to are people who don't want to do what the administration wants to do.
[02:04:26]  They don't want to do what Russell and OMB want them to do in terms of cutting spending.
[02:04:30]  Russ uses examples of our investigations when he does interviews about.

=== Skeletal Dogs from NIH Funding (08:13) ===

[02:04:34]  Wazeful spending at the NIH and why the budget needs to be got cocaine experiments on dogs and other things that we've exposed.
[02:04:40]  We're all on the same page that this is not how taxpayer dollars should be spent.
[02:04:44]  Obviously, the president is supportive of this.
[02:04:48]  Jay is out of step with the rest of the administration, and RFK is letting him get away with it.
[02:04:52]  And that's why our attention has now been focused on RFK because he can do something about it.
[02:04:59]  If he's serious, if he means what he's said to you over the last year about taking this issue seriously, Then he needs to clean house at the NIH, number one.
[02:05:07]  He needs to get rid of Jay, sure.
[02:05:10]  He needs to get rid of people like Nicole Kleinstreuer, who's a Fauci fanatic and Trump hater, people like Jeff Taubenberger, Fauci's replacement, who's a crazy COVID cover up henchman who dug up, you know, was involved in digging up a dead body to harvest a deadly virus and do gain of function experiments with animals.
[02:05:30]  The entire senior leadership of the NIH is people who clearly don't share.
[02:05:35]  The president's vision for what this agency should be and what voters asked for, and it would be very easy for them to clean house.
[02:05:42]  There, we've been saying this for a year that these people are undermining the president's agenda, and we see it at every turn.
[02:05:50]  We see Jay just a few weeks ago was in front of Congress promising them he's going to spend every last penny of the budget that is 40 percent larger than the budget the president wanted him to.
[02:05:59]  He's not trying to save any money, he's trying to spend it all, and he's proud of that.
[02:06:04]  And then you have Democrats and Republicans on these congressional committees applauding him for that, saying thank you so much.
[02:06:10]  You know, Russ Vogt and President Trump don't know what they're talking about.
[02:06:14]  We're so happy to hear that you're going to spend all the money that we're giving you.
[02:06:18]  And it's just, it's shameful.
[02:06:20]  It's shameful.
[02:06:21]  And, you know, what's the worst part of this is that at the end of the day, yeah, taxpayers are paying the price, literally paying the price.
[02:06:29]  But animals' lives are, this comes at the expense of millions and millions of animals' lives and, you know, thousands of beagles and kittens and monkeys.
[02:06:38]  And we have some of those clips from this last week from our campaign.
[02:06:41]  Our, uh, Our pre tax day campaign, the countdown to tax day, to get people interested in this, to show people what has been happening.
[02:06:50]  And immediately after the show tonight, I'm going to be posting another example of this.
[02:06:56]  So stay tuned after my show tonight.
[02:06:58]  I'll be making today's post so that you can see.
[02:07:00]  I wanted to wait till the show was over today so that you could, you know, wait in anticipation to see just more examples of these abusive experiments.
[02:07:11]  But two of these experiments that we've highlighted and exposed over the last week and In this countdown, Justin, there are some beagle experiments happening at the Penn Dog Lab.
[02:07:25]  Again, more funding from NIH.
[02:07:26]  Let's go ahead and play clip number 18, and then you can explain to people what they're watching in this video.
[02:07:44]  Century with NIH funding, and Jay just gave more money to those laboratories.
[02:08:00]  K and J Bhattacharya just received the funding for that laboratory.
[02:08:03]  We just watched, sorry, I think you were talking over while we were airing the clip.
[02:08:07]  So we just watched that clip, no worries.
[02:08:11]  And of course, people just saw that clip of dogs, it appears dogs stumbling around, unable to stand up, falling, not having proper muscle support, skeletal support, because, well, those functions in their body are being targeted by these experiments.
[02:08:32]  Go ahead and explain what we just watched in this video, when the grants were issued, and who is responsible for continuing these experiments, and what their so called purpose of essentially paralyzing dogs and watching them stumble around until they die is.
[02:08:49]  What is the scientific purpose of this?
[02:08:51]  Like, what are they trying to discover?
[02:08:53]  What is it that they said they need our taxpayer money for?
[02:08:56]  Mind you, all of the stuff that we've shown you tonight on this program to people who are watching, and if you're watching, please be sure that you're reposting this live link.
[02:09:04]  We are live right now on Rumble and X. Everybody needs to see this in anticipation for tomorrow, tax day, when you're going to be writing checks to the government so they can continue funding all of this.
[02:09:15]  But it's important for people to understand what the purpose is of these experiments because really there is no purpose.
[02:09:22]  But I'll let you explain.
[02:09:24]  So, that was a laboratory at the University of Pennsylvania that has been funded continuously for, I think, close to half a century by the NIH with millions of dollars every year.
[02:09:36]  It has several different NIH grants that fund that exact project.
[02:09:39]  And what they do there is they breed terriers, beagles, other types of dogs to suffer from crippling genetic disorders and skeletal disorders where their bones break, they don't have muscle control, they can't stand.
[02:09:55]  And then these animals die at a very young age, just naturally because they're so deformed.
[02:10:02]  And then they test experimental treatments for these disorders on them.
[02:10:06]  And Jay Bhattacharya and Nicole Kleinstroyer, who's kind of the animal testing czar.
[02:10:12]  At the NIH, they had an opportunity to cut the funding for that project.
[02:10:18]  And instead of cutting the funding, they actually renewed the funding on April 1st.
[02:10:23]  It was not an April Fool's joke, unfortunately.
[02:10:26]  It was real.
[02:10:27]  They gave hundreds of thousands of dollars more to those horrendous dog experiments, those exact experiments you just saw in that video happening at the University of Pennsylvania.
[02:10:37]  They chose voluntarily to renew the funding and keep that laboratory open and keep that funding going instead of shutting it down.
[02:10:48]  And what's the purpose?
[02:10:51]  How does studying crippling genetic skeletal disorders that you said break the bones of dogs and they essentially just suffer in pain till they die?
[02:11:04]  What is the scientific benefit of this?
[02:11:06]  Like, what exactly are we gaining?
[02:11:09]  The skeletal structures of dogs are not like the skeletal structures of humans.
[02:11:13]  So, what is the purpose, right?
[02:11:16]  What do these mad scientists say the purpose of this experiment is?
[02:11:20]  Well, unfortunately, the only ones who benefit from these experiments are the people getting paid to do it and lining their pockets with our tax dollars.
[02:11:28]  They're constantly making excuses and abusing their authority and fear mongering to the public that if we just cripple enough dogs and kill enough dogs, we're going to have a cure for X disease or Y disease.
[02:11:39]  And we know that over 90% of the research that the NIH funds is wasteful.
[02:11:46]  It's not translating to humans, it's not providing any benefits for public health and the American people.
[02:11:52]  It is just making mad scientists rich.
[02:11:54]  And allowing them to build careers on torturing beagles and kittens and other animals.
[02:12:00]  And unfortunately, under the current administration, Jay Bhattacharya has the power, has the authority to do something about that, stop the cycle of abuse and waste, and shut these programs down.
[02:12:13]  And instead, he's choosing, and the people under him, who are all holdovers from the previous administration, are choosing to continue these programs, continuing this disgusting animal abuse at taxpayer expense.
[02:12:27]  Instead of shutting these laboratories down and adopting the animals out to loving homes for the many thousands of people who would love to give a home to some of these animals who've been abused.
[02:12:37]  And it's, yeah, it's horrendous.
[02:12:39]  I mean, we exposed that laboratory two years ago before the Trump administration.
[02:12:43]  And that was one of our top priorities.
[02:12:45]  They're continuing the funding.

=== Breeding Cats with Genetic Disorders (04:29) ===

[02:12:47]  Yeah.
[02:12:48]  They've just given it new funding, another year of funding.
[02:12:53]  Terrible.
[02:12:54]  Yeah.
[02:12:55]  Let's go ahead and play clip number 19.
[02:12:57]  I'm going to play it and then.
[02:12:59]  I'll cut back to you.
[02:13:00]  So just wait until the clip plays, about 32 seconds or so.
[02:13:04]  And then I'm going to get your reaction and, again, have you explain to the viewers what they're watching.
[02:13:42]  Do you see a cat stumbling, unable to stand, appears to be shaking?
[02:13:48]  If you look close enough in the video, seems to be very disoriented.
[02:13:52]  What did we just watch in that video?
[02:13:55]  That's another NIH funded laboratory.
[02:13:57]  That one's at Auburn University.
[02:14:00]  And it's actually not unlike the UPenn lab.
[02:14:02]  Obviously, this one's using cats where they breed them to have genetic disorders where they're disfigured, they can't walk, they die early deaths before the age of one.
[02:14:11]  Most of those cats die.
[02:14:13]  Because they're bred to be so sick and deformed.
[02:14:16]  And that's actually at Auburn University's veterinary college, where they claim to be trying to develop treatments for pets.
[02:14:24]  And they do that by literally breeding these cats, hundreds and hundreds of these cats, to be sick and deformed and die at an early age.
[02:14:33]  And that's another project that's been continuously funded by the NIH for decades that the NIH has continued to fund.
[02:14:40]  And again, let me just remind you that a year ago, after his confirmation, Jay told me that.
[02:14:45]  All the funding for dog and cat testing was going to be cut.
[02:14:49]  In a podcast in July, Jay and the so called animal testing czar, Nicole Kleinstor here at NIH, said, All the funding for dog and cat testing predates us.
[02:15:01]  This is atrocious, and we're working tirelessly to end it.
[02:15:05]  That was in July.
[02:15:06]  And all we've seen since then repeatedly is that Fauci era projects, ones like the ones you just saw, have been extended so they can keep going and given new taxpayer money so they can keep going.
[02:15:20]  With no end in sight, no commitment to phase them out, no nothing.
[02:15:25]  And when you have your supporters or the American people or taxpayers contact NIH and contact HHS to address this and question them and call them out, you're met with Domino's Pizza ringtone saying thank you for calling Domino's Pizza.
[02:15:41]  I want to go ahead and play that audio, that video clip of you with Senator Joni Ernst that we discussed earlier, because after watching these abusive.
[02:15:52]  Videos of these animals stumbling and suffering and unable to stand on their own while they're being filmed and videotaped by these mad scientists.
[02:16:02]  I feel like this voicemail hits a lot harder and should enrage people.
[02:16:07]  Like you should feel enraged that you're cutting a check to the IRS tomorrow and that over $20 billion of your taxpayer money is going to conduct experiments just as brutal, if not even more brutal, than the ones you just watched moments ago.
[02:16:22]  Let's go ahead and play this clip.
[02:16:24]  No, that's fine.
[02:16:25]  I'm interested.
[02:16:26]  Yeah, I almost played it, but it was taking up too much time.
[02:16:31]  Okay, here we go.
[02:16:37]  I'm just going to get right to the message.
[02:16:40]  This is that same number yesterday.
[02:16:42]  Okay.
[02:16:43]  Thanks for calling Domino's Pizza.
[02:16:46]  Can you please hold?
[02:16:47]  Thank you.
[02:16:49]  No.
[02:16:51]  Yeah, that was up yesterday.
[02:16:53]  That's not okay.
[02:16:54]  I'll text it to her.
[02:16:55]  Yes, please do.
[02:16:56]  That's not okay.
[02:16:57]  Yeah, I know.
[02:16:59]  Actually, it makes my stomach dry.
[02:17:01]  So, all right.
[02:17:02]  Thank you.
[02:17:03]  Thank you.
[02:17:10]  Really disgusting.
[02:17:11]  People need to be fired over this.
[02:17:15]  NIH thinks this is a joke.

=== Animals Scared to Leave Cages (03:06) ===

[02:17:17]  They don't take it seriously.
[02:17:18]  They've been blowing off members of Congress.
[02:17:21]  Members of Congress have been writing them letters demanding that they end Fauci funding for dog and cat testing, asking them for timelines for these phase outs and for when they're actually going to keep these promises that they made.
[02:17:32]  They just blow the deadlines.
[02:17:33]  RFK just doesn't respond to the letters.
[02:17:35]  Jay Bhattacharya sends some form letter that is just meaningless, blather, non committal, blame, you know.
[02:17:42]  Obviously, you're getting responses where they're just defensive.
[02:17:46]  They don't actually address any of the substance of what we're saying.
[02:17:50]  They just make excuses and bring up irrelevant things like people are being mean to them.
[02:17:58]  So that's why, you know, again, we're itching.
[02:18:00]  People are being mean to me while I abuse animals.
[02:18:02]  Like, yeah, of course.
[02:18:03]  Look, I'm not inciting violence and I'm not condoning violence.
[02:18:07]  However, I will say that if you are abusing animals, you do not deserve to be treated with respect.
[02:18:12]  I'm not saying that you deserve to be killed.
[02:18:14]  I'm not saying that you deserve to have violence committed against you.
[02:18:16]  But treat others how you want to be treated.
[02:18:19]  And, you know, it's one thing to get in a verbal altercation with another human being.
[02:18:23]  And it's another thing to physically abuse and torture an innocent animal that has no idea what's going on.
[02:18:29]  They have no idea where they are.
[02:18:31]  These animals have never run outside.
[02:18:32]  In fact, they actually don't even let these animals outside.
[02:18:35]  A lot of people don't know, but these lab animals are stuck in cages.
[02:18:39]  They're not allowed to go outside.
[02:18:40]  They have little rooms that they spray down with a hose and some disinfectant every single day when the animals use the bathroom.
[02:18:47]  And that's it.
[02:18:48]  These animals have never gone outside before.
[02:18:50]  In fact, there are videos of your interactions with these beagles after you've rescued them and partnered them with Kindness Ranch, whose organization we've, of course, talked about and had their representative on Lumor Unleashed last year to talk about rescuing these beagles from these laboratories.
[02:19:11]  But when these dogs get rescued, they are scared to touch grass because they've never been outside before.
[02:19:16]  They're scared to leave their.
[02:19:18]  Kennels and crates because they don't know what life is like.
[02:19:21]  How sad!
[02:19:22]  How sad to be a dog and to never go outside, to stay in a crate and piss on yourself every day and be power hosed down with just water, no soap, no nothing, nobody caring about you, nobody petting you, nobody feeding you, nobody giving you treats, nobody cuddling with you, just torturing you until you either die or they euthanize you.
[02:19:44]  That's the life of these animals.
[02:19:46]  It is so horrific, and I don't want my taxpayer money paying for this.
[02:19:50]  I just don't.
[02:19:51]  No, and most people agree with you, and that's why HHS is getting so many angry phone calls.
[02:19:56]  And instead of doing the right thing and being responsive to the concerns of voters and taxpayers, we have HHS pranking and mocking the public, defying the president, and sentencing pets to horrific torture and slaughter at our expense.
[02:20:21]  We don't want this.
[02:20:22]  We don't like it.
[02:20:22]  We don't need it.

=== Republicans Demand NIH Budget Raise (08:29) ===

[02:20:23]  And yet, we're continuing to be forced to pay for it.
[02:20:27]  So, we have our campaign, we have mahabetrade.org set up.
[02:20:30]  Anyone can go there, fill it out, just put in your personal contact information.
[02:20:34]  It's going to fire off letters to all your representatives, to the Trump administration, to RFK's office, letting them know you want this stuff defunded.
[02:20:41]  And actually, RFK is testifying twice on Thursday on Capitol Hill to defend his budget for 2027.
[02:20:52]  And we are going to have our billboard truck outside of those hearings.
[02:20:57]  Our WTF RFK billboard is still there.
[02:20:59]  You said that they haven't been transparent about how much money in their funding is actually going to animal testing.
[02:21:05]  Do you have any idea when he defends his budget in front of Congress this week?
[02:21:11]  Which day?
[02:21:12]  Did you say Thursday?
[02:21:13]  Thursday.
[02:21:13]  Thursday.
[02:21:14]  So when he's out there defending his budget, have you seen how much is going to be allocated for animal testing or is that not available?
[02:21:23]  That's not available.
[02:21:24]  That's not available.
[02:21:25]  But the Trump administration has obviously proposed a 10% budget cut for the NIH in 2027.
[02:21:35]  Congress will undoubtedly give them a raise instead.
[02:21:40]  That's what happened last year.
[02:21:41]  And you have very prominent Republicans in the Senate and the House appropriations committees going on basically a PR tour right now saying how they want to give NIH a big raise.
[02:21:53]  And the reason this happens is because this money is going to be a big raise.
[02:21:56]  And some names, some of these Republicans.
[02:21:57]  Let's name names.
[02:21:58]  We like to name names here.
[02:21:59]  Which Republicans?
[02:22:00]  Oh, yeah.
[02:22:00]  I just saw a video of Senator Dave McCormick from Pennsylvania talking about how he wants to give the NIH a big raise.
[02:22:07]  We need to spend more money on biomedical research.
[02:22:11]  And he's, you know, Susan Collins.
[02:22:14]  A lot of these members are, you know, and the reason why this, you know, when we think about who the stakeholders are here, is pharmaceutical companies get hundreds of millions of dollars from the NIH every year for testing on dogs and other types of RD.
[02:22:27]  So if taxpayers are funding, like we gave, we exposed that Moderna, the The Moderna Tide example last year, taxpayers are footing the bill for hundreds of millions of dollars in RD for private pharmaceutical companies that are going to then patent drugs and sell them to the public at a profit and then get tax breaks for the advertising so they don't even have to pay for that.
[02:22:51]  Taxpayers are footing the bill for the whole RD process and the ads, and then we have to pay again for the drugs if and when they come to market.
[02:22:58]  So that's still happening.
[02:22:59]  The NIH actually just put up a tweet.
[02:23:02]  That I responded to right before I came on the show saying that they've made $1.4 billion available to pharmaceutical companies for covering their RD expenses.
[02:23:13]  And we have receipts on receipts showing that many of those grants are going to fund the Beagle testing by those pharmaceutical companies.
[02:23:20]  So they're a stakeholder here who fights for the NIH budget to go up.
[02:23:24]  You also have colleges and universities across the country.
[02:23:28]  Every state, every city, big and small, has a college and university that's getting some slice of the NIH pie.
[02:23:34]  So, all these members of Congress are going and fighting tooth and nail to increase the money to bring into their district for this research funding at their college and universities, 40% of which goes to animal testing.
[02:23:45]  And college and universities get a big cut off the top just for administrative slush funds.
[02:23:50]  And Trump tried to cut those slush funds down to a very minimal level.
[02:23:57]  And they actually got taken to court, and the court ruled against them.
[02:24:00]  So, we're being forced to fund administrative slush funds at college and universities on top of the animal testing.
[02:24:06]  That we're funding there on top of the animal testing that we're paying pharmaceutical companies to do.
[02:24:10]  It's just that's who we're up against.
[02:24:13]  And of course, all of these people are donating to members of Congress, and then the members of Congress do their bidding when it comes time to figure out the spending bills.
[02:24:23]  So that's how the sausage is made this has nothing to do with saving lives or improving public health.
[02:24:31]  The NIH budget is bigger than it's ever been, and life expectancy and public health is not any better than it was before the NIH budget ballooned.
[02:24:39]  So it's a horrible return on investment for taxpayers.
[02:24:42]  Millions of animals are being tortured, and Jay Bhattacharya is defending this system.
[02:24:49]  Yeah, we have a link to highlighting all of the NIH leadership.
[02:24:53]  So if people are interested in who these mad scientists are and they're interested in learning more about them, you can go to the NIH website, nih.govslash about dash nihslash organization and their leadership page.
[02:25:05]  We can actually get that pulled up.
[02:25:07]  People can see, so you can learn all about these people yourself and do some research.
[02:25:11]  I mean, it doesn't take a rock scientist to do this type of research.
[02:25:14]  And you can see that these, a lot of these people, that's Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who we've been talking about tonight, NIH director.
[02:25:20]  You can see all of these officials who they have working there at NIH who are tied to the Obama administration who worked with Fauci.
[02:25:29]  Go ahead.
[02:25:31]  Matthew Memley worked for Fauci at Fauci's division.
[02:25:36]  Everyone on this list here was someone who is from a Biden administration holdover, Obama administration holdover.
[02:25:44]  She's actually the deputy director.
[02:25:46]  She's not acting anymore, but she is the animal testing czar, close friend of PETA.
[02:25:51]  She's now deleted her ex account.
[02:25:53]  But had lots of, as you've published the receipts for this, had lots of anti Trump posts, pro Fauci posts.
[02:26:01]  Those are all gone now.
[02:26:02]  Fortunately, we've saved them.
[02:26:03]  And she said that she's not going to cut animal testing overnight.
[02:26:06]  And animal testing is very valuable.
[02:26:08]  And she's a good friend of the animal rights organizations and PETA.
[02:26:13]  She's criticized us, and the animal rights groups have criticized us for being too aggressive in our demands for animal testing to be cut.
[02:26:22]  You know, they want to just invest more money in these unproven technologies.
[02:26:25]  Animals can't wait.
[02:26:27]  Animals are suffering in labs now.
[02:26:28]  They can't wait 10 years for the animals to be able to survive.
[02:26:31]  Animals are dying every single day in these laboratories.
[02:26:34]  And this is our chance.
[02:26:35]  This is a moment in time where we have an administration that actually wants to do good at the NIH and clean that place up and save taxpayer dollars, save animals, improve public health.
[02:26:45]  This moment is going to pass.
[02:26:47]  So that is why we have to take advantage of it.
[02:26:50]  We're trying to catch lightning in a bottle here.
[02:26:53]  And we've spent the last five years since, well, the last 10 years since the first Trump administration.
[02:27:01]  Building the campaign, building the public support, building the support in MAGA and MAHA and across the political spectrum for this to happen.
[02:27:08]  And we need people in the NIH and HHS who are going to execute, not people who are just interested in podcasting and window dressing and not actually making the dramatic reforms we need at this agency to save animals, improve people's lives, save tax dollars, cut waste, fraud, and abuse, hold Fauci accountable.
[02:27:27]  There's like so many good reasons to clean up the NIH that everyone would benefit from.
[02:27:32]  And it's simply not happening because the people in charge over there don't want to do that.
[02:27:36]  They want business as usual.
[02:27:38]  They want to keep funding their friends' animal laboratories.
[02:27:42]  They want to keep the labs at the NIH headquarters open.
[02:27:45]  They don't want change.
[02:27:46]  They don't want to lose their jobs.
[02:27:48]  These are the people who need to go.
[02:27:50]  These should be the first people to go the entire senior leadership of the NIH.
[02:27:55]  Anything is going to be better than this.
[02:27:57]  Absolutely.
[02:27:58]  I want to take a couple questions from the audience before we close out.
[02:28:02]  So be sure you post in the chat.
[02:28:03]  Let's go to the chat.
[02:28:04]  If you have any questions, For Justin or White Coat Waste, and you're interested in what you can do, put your questions and comments in the chat.
[02:28:12]  We'll take a few before we close out tonight.
[02:28:16]  And then let's scroll up.
[02:28:17]  Let's see if anybody's asked any questions yet.
[02:28:19]  And then we'll show some of these photos, some of these great photos that you've taken from the billboard campaign.
[02:28:24]  And hey, who knows?
[02:28:25]  If you're in Washington, D.C. on Thursday and you're outside of the Capitol and you catch the billboard, be sure that you send it to the Loomer Tip Line or DM me on X and we'll be sure to post photos if you are out and about in D.C. and you see the White Coat Waste billboard trucks.
[02:28:41]  Let's see.
[02:28:44]  One person said, every politician not ending this shit needs to have a forensic audit of their bank accounts and the bank accounts of everyone in their sphere of influence.

=== Why Animal Testing Hurts Science (06:33) ===

[02:28:53]  Yeah, because really, honestly, like if you're not interested as a politician in ending this abuse of animals, you're clearly on the take from Big Pharma.
[02:29:02]  You're clearly on the take because why else would you want this to continue?
[02:29:07]  There's no scientific benefit from animal testing.
[02:29:10]  People used to argue that we needed animal testing for the sake of developing cures for medicine, developing medicine and developing cures for disease, excuse me.
[02:29:18]  But science has shown us, and this is your specialty, so you can speak to this a lot more than I can.
[02:29:26]  But I have seen reports that show that the AI models are so sophisticated these days that AI models are a greater predictor and indicator of how certain diseases affect the human body than torturing an animal and watching an animal and trying to hypothesize.
[02:29:51]  How, right?
[02:29:52]  How an animal that has no relation and no, I guess there's really, unless you're studying primates, of course, which even then it's debatable, but they like to say, oh, well, primates, you know, they have so much in common with humans.
[02:30:04]  You can't really determine how a human is going to react to any type of medication or any type of medical cure in these biomedical research experiments that are taking place, Justin, because there's no comparison.
[02:30:20]  There's no comparison between a mouse and a human body, there's no comparison between a dog and a human.
[02:30:25]  There's no comparison.
[02:30:28]  So, my question is why isn't there more dependence on these AI models and these scientific models that are greater indicators?
[02:30:41]  Because you said it yourself, and studies have shown over and over again, every single year, these studies show that animal testing and harming all these innocent animals isn't actually leading to advances in.
[02:30:56]  Maybe that's why we don't have a cure for cancer.
[02:30:58]  Maybe that's why we are so far behind and why we don't have cures for these diseases because they're busy testing everything on animals that have no relation to the human body whatsoever.
[02:31:09]  I mean, I think about that a lot.
[02:31:11]  I think about how you said some of these labs have been open for over 50 years.
[02:31:14]  And it's like, well, how crazy do you have to be to keep killing animals and torturing animals with the same experiments for 50 years in a row if you're not getting any results?
[02:31:27]  Animal testing is bad science, but big business.
[02:31:31]  It doesn't work.
[02:31:32]  There's no comparison.
[02:31:33]  Logically, and maybe you can explain this what's the logic behind conducting a test or an experiment on a dog or a cat or a monkey and thinking that it's going to replicate itself in the body of a human?
[02:31:48]  What is the science behind this?
[02:31:50]  Is there science?
[02:31:52]  No, this started thousands of years ago when people didn't know anything about biology.
[02:31:59]  And they were like, oh, let's grab an animal and see how the heart pumps.
[02:32:02]  And that's really where this got started.
[02:32:04]  It was literally thousands of years ago.
[02:32:07]  And we've come a long way in terms of knowing about human anatomy and biology and also how animals suffer.
[02:32:13]  And there's other technology now available.
[02:32:16]  So animal testing is a scientific fraud.
[02:32:19]  And the reason people do it is because there's money available, there's a lot of money available to do it.
[02:32:25]  And once you start, there's no incentive to actually innovate or end it.
[02:32:29]  And the projects we've been talking about tonight are great examples.
[02:32:33]  If you get an NIH grant and you solve a problem or cure a disease, the money stops.
[02:32:39]  Now, if you just keep torturing animals for 50 years, you're going to get paid to do that every single year reliably, including under Jay Bhattacharya and RFK.
[02:32:48]  The NIH is happy to keep those projects on the dole.
[02:32:52]  So there's no incentive to innovate because your money is going to get cut off.
[02:32:56]  Your paychecks are going to stop.
[02:32:58]  So there's every incentive to actually work on projects that are never going to produce results that are relevant to humans, never going to cure anything, but you just keep tinkering and torturing animals for 50 years and collect checks.
[02:33:11]  Reliably every single year at taxpayer expense.
[02:33:14]  That's why these projects exist because there's funding available.
[02:33:17]  You cut the funding, these projects are going to go away.
[02:33:19]  And that's why our motto as an organization, our slogan is stop the money, stop the madness.
[02:33:23]  That we don't need to be putting dogs on treadmills and giving them heart attacks, or fish on treadmills, or bears on treadmills, or cats on, or any of the many, many animals.
[02:33:32]  All the animals of Noah's Ark have been on a treadmill in some government funded laboratory in some stupid experiment.
[02:33:37]  We're not getting any benefit from that, but some mad scientist had a wacky idea and the government gave them money to do it.
[02:33:44]  If the taxpayers weren't forced to pay that, pay the bills, no private organization is going to, you know, private health charity or anyone, no one's going to pay for a scientist to do those type of, you know, disgusting and wasteful animal experiments.
[02:33:58]  So the only way it happens is because the government funding and the bigger the NIH budget gets, the more animal testing is going to be funded unless they take steps to phase it out, commit to cuts, restrict funding.
[02:34:10]  And that's what we do in these spending bills we put funding prohibitions in there.
[02:34:14]  And we've been able to do it in a targeted way at certain agencies at the Department of War.
[02:34:19]  Obviously, last year we were able to completely cut all funding for dog and cat testing after they banned it.
[02:34:24]  We codified in law that they can't spend money on painful dog and cat testing anymore.
[02:34:29]  We're trying to do that at the NIH and other agencies as well.
[02:34:32]  But it's just this is big business.
[02:34:35]  It's just this comes like so many other things, it comes down to money.
[02:34:38]  And that's why cutting the funding for animal testing is the way to end it.
[02:34:42]  The U.S. government, taxpayers, U.S. taxpayers, you know, we talk about government money.
[02:34:46]  Federal government funding, federal funding, that means taxpayer funding.
[02:34:50]  That means our money is being spent on these projects.
[02:34:53]  The U.S. government, U.S. taxpayers are the single largest funder of animal testing in the entire world.
[02:34:59]  In the entire world, it's not chemical companies or cosmetics companies or whatever other companies there are out there.
[02:35:08]  U.S. taxpayers are the single largest funder of animal testing in the world.
[02:35:12]  And if you start reducing and cutting that funding, you are going to change the face of this problem as we know it.
[02:35:17]  Animal Labs are going to shut down overnight because they're not going to be able to find money anywhere else because no one else is going to pay for torturing pets and useless experiments.

=== Taxpayers Fund Global Animal Abuse (11:09) ===

[02:35:26]  Jay Bhattacharya seems happy to do that.
[02:35:30]  So the problem has persisted, but he also has the authority, or someone maybe who comes after him if and when he loses his job.
[02:35:37]  They also have the authority.
[02:35:38]  RFK has the authority to stop this problem now, nip it in the bud now, stop the bleeding now.
[02:35:44]  But they're not.
[02:35:44]  They want to if they have the political will to do so.
[02:35:47]  So they're upset that we're being aggressive.
[02:35:49]  The only reason things have gotten to this point.
[02:35:51]  Is because they haven't done what they said they were going to do.
[02:35:54]  And we call balls and strikes and we hold people accountable and we don't care if they were our friends in the past or included us in their book or tweeted about nice things about us.
[02:36:03]  We want results.
[02:36:04]  We don't, and we hold our friends accountable.
[02:36:06]  They're held to an even higher standard because we expect more from them.
[02:36:11]  And Jay and unfortunately, you know, RFK have been big disappointments.
[02:36:15]  And like you said at the beginning of this, they've been disappointments to people on a lot of different issues.
[02:36:20]  The Maha movement is very disappointed with RFK and everything else.
[02:36:24]  We fracture right now in the Maha movement with a lot of things.
[02:36:26]  So, yeah, a lot of things.
[02:36:29]  Let's go to the chat.
[02:36:31]  Yeah, no, it's another example.
[02:36:33]  I want to take two more questions for Justin.
[02:36:36]  Let's see, two more questions.
[02:36:38]  And a person said, We vote them in to stop it and they don't.
[02:36:46]  What's the solution?
[02:36:48]  How do we make the politician stop spending money on this shit?
[02:36:53]  That's one of the questions.
[02:36:54]  So they're frustrated.
[02:36:56]  People are very frustrated.
[02:36:57]  They say, We vote for people.
[02:36:59]  They say that they're going to do this.
[02:37:00]  RFK said he was going to end it.
[02:37:02]  Jay said he was going to end it.
[02:37:03]  Now they're in.
[02:37:04]  They're not.
[02:37:04]  They're actually giving more money to fund these sick Fauci experiments.
[02:37:08]  So, how do we stop it?
[02:37:10]  Voting wasn't enough to stop it.
[02:37:12]  How do we stop it now, Justin?
[02:37:14]  What can people do who are watching, who are fired up and pumped up at midnight right now?
[02:37:19]  What can these people do to help stop this taxpayer funded animal abuse?
[02:37:24]  So, first of all, thanks to everyone who's still tuned in.
[02:37:26]  I know it's late on the East Coast.
[02:37:28]  And thanks for listening and being fired up and wanting to do some good for animals.
[02:37:34]  First of all, again, visit mahabetrade.org.
[02:37:37]  That's the easiest way for you to make your voice heard to the administration and to your members of Congress.
[02:37:41]  They will literally get an email.
[02:37:43]  I tested it myself when we set this up.
[02:37:45]  My senator immediately sent back a form letter.
[02:37:47]  So, again, I don't want to see a form letter.
[02:37:50]  I want an actual response, but the email will go through directly to your House member and your two senators, people in RFK's office, and people in the White House.
[02:37:59]  And they're going to be receiving an email from you, which you can personalize if you want, demanding that they end funding for Fauci's laboratories.
[02:38:08]  Also, there are other ways you can hold your members of Congress accountable.
[02:38:11]  Post on X, tag them, post on any social media, tagging them, asking them to end these experiments.
[02:38:17]  They're very sensitive to messages that are on social media because they're public and they don't want to be embarrassed and shamed on there.
[02:38:24]  And I hear from members of Congress all the time who, from offices all the time, who say they saw their constituents tweeting about something.
[02:38:32]  What can they do?
[02:38:33]  To get involved and help solve the problem.
[02:38:35]  I literally heard from an office today about that, saying they saw a white coat waste post and they wanted to know how they could be helpful.
[02:38:41]  So, social media posts are very helpful.
[02:38:43]  So, follow white coat waste at white coat waste on all the social media platforms, share that stuff, fill out these action alerts, and go to town halls.
[02:38:52]  If you're a member of Congress, you know, if you follow your members of Congress on social media or get on their mailing list and they announce they're having a town hall, go to it and ask a question, ask them why they're allowing taxpayer money, your money, your hard earned tax dollar, your hard earned money paycheck.
[02:39:08]  To go to funding Fauci's torture labs.
[02:39:11]  Put them on the spot in public, hold them accountable.
[02:39:14]  These people are going to do the right thing if there's enough public pressure on them.
[02:39:19]  And they're going to demand accountability from the administration also.
[02:39:23]  Because at the end of the day, Congress holds the purse strings.
[02:39:26]  Congress is the one giving NIH and Jay Bhattacharya and RFK the money to fund these experiments.
[02:39:32]  Congress also has the power to cut that funding off or restrict that funding.
[02:39:36]  And the work I do as our lobbyist is to work on Capitol Hill to put language in these funding bills to restrict how money can be spent, to cut funding for animal testing, to phase out money for animal testing.
[02:39:48]  So if you're contacting your members of Congress about this, I'm also going to follow up.
[02:39:52]  I follow up with every member of Congress.
[02:39:54]  Who our supporters write to through these action alerts and follow up and make sure that those offices got those messages and urge them to support whatever our initiatives are.
[02:40:03]  The funding cycle is starting right now for 2027.
[02:40:07]  So, actually, it's more important than ever that people follow us on social media at White Coat Waste, go to mahabitrade.org, take action.
[02:40:16]  And then we're going to send you updates, other action alerts, call ins.
[02:40:19]  This week, we're doing a call in starting tomorrow, asking people to contact, could call in, contact RFK's office.
[02:40:26]  So, there's lots of ways for you to get involved, make your voice heard, hold the government accountable.
[02:40:31]  And that's our full time job holding the government accountable for spending money on animal torture.
[02:40:37]  And what better day to start doing this if you're watching this show tonight than tomorrow, tax day?
[02:40:42]  What do we always hear?
[02:40:43]  No taxation without representation.
[02:40:45]  And we want some representation.
[02:40:47]  We want our lawmakers to respond to us and to tell us where they stand on this issue of taxpayer funded animal abuse.
[02:40:55]  And so, if you're outraged about this, After you finish sending half your paycheck to the government tomorrow, call them and tell them that you are horrified that you have learned that over $20 billion per year of taxpayer funds go towards funding these abusive animal tests.
[02:41:16]  Let them know that you call HHS, call NIH, and tell them that you did not vote for this and you want them to stop animal testing.
[02:41:26]  It's only going to end if we make our voices heard and if we start expressing outrage.
[02:41:30]  Do not make threats of violence.
[02:41:32]  Do not send death threats.
[02:41:34]  Not that anybody listening to this show would, but peacefully make your voices heard and go to mahabetray.com, mahabetray.com, and also be sure that you're following White Coat Waste on social media.
[02:41:48]  Send them a donation.
[02:41:50]  They obviously rely on grassroots donations to fund this incredible work, this very important work that they're doing, not just on behalf of the American people, saving us money, exposing waste, fraud, and abuse.
[02:42:02]  But also, they're heroes.
[02:42:03]  They're heroes.
[02:42:04]  They're saving animals' lives.
[02:42:06]  They're saving the lives of thousands of innocent animals.
[02:42:10]  Last year, we saved the lives of probably thousands of beagles by getting some of this money basically revoked from these terrible.
[02:42:23]  Cruel, inhumane.
[02:42:25]  I don't even want to call them research experiments because it's not even research, but over $100 million.
[02:42:30]  Think of how many animals' lives have been saved now that over $100 million in taxpayer funded animal abuse has been cut as a direct result of the work being done by White Coatways.
[02:42:42]  So I support them.
[02:42:43]  I encourage all of you to support them.
[02:42:46]  It's a tax deduction, right, Justin?
[02:42:48]  So if people contribute, they can get a tax deductible donation.
[02:42:53]  How do people contribute?
[02:42:54]  Explain this process to people who. would like to support the work that you're doing.
[02:42:59]  Yes, so we are a small nonprofit.
[02:43:02]  As you mentioned, Laura, a tiny fraction of the budget of the big animal rights groups.
[02:43:07]  And almost all of our revenue is small dollar grassroots donations.
[02:43:12]  We don't have big multi million dollar donors.
[02:43:15]  We rely on the support of grassroots donors across the country who care about holding the government accountable and saving animals from government abuse.
[02:43:24]  So, yes, we always say we need doers and donors.
[02:43:27]  We need people filling out our petitions and action alerts, contacting Congress.
[02:43:31]  Sites like mahabatrade.org, following us on social media at White Coat Waste.
[02:43:36]  And if you want to make a donation, you visit our website, whitecoatwaste.org.
[02:43:40]  I think in the top right corner, there's a link to donate.
[02:43:44]  You could donate $5, you can donate $50, whatever you want.
[02:43:48]  We're grateful for all of it.
[02:43:50]  That's how we keep these campaigns going.
[02:43:52]  We are, you know, we walk the walk, we talk the talk, we don't take government handouts, we didn't take COVID bailouts like PETA and all the big animal rights groups who took COVID bailout money.
[02:44:02]  You know, we are an organization that is, we stick to our principles.
[02:44:07]  We don't want bailouts and handouts from the government.
[02:44:09]  We don't want animal testing labs to get them.
[02:44:12]  We don't expect to get them ourselves.
[02:44:14]  So we do rely on the generosity of caring animal lovers across this country and pet owners across this country to support our work.
[02:44:20]  So please, again, mahabetrayed.org at White Coat Waste on all the social media platforms.
[02:44:27]  And if you want to read more and donate, whitecoatwaste.org.
[02:44:31]  Well, thank you, Justin.
[02:44:32]  Thank you so much for spending nearly two hours tonight on my program ahead of tax day tomorrow, right?
[02:44:39]  Explaining this and highlighting some of your very important work.
[02:44:42]  I am very proud to support White Coat Waste and very proud to work alongside you, having worked alongside you this last year.
[02:44:50]  And I'm excited to see what we're going to accomplish this year together and what White Coat Waste is going to accomplish.
[02:44:56]  We accomplished so much, and I'm so honored to know the team at White Coat Waste.
[02:45:04]  You truly do not get the recognition that you deserve.
[02:45:07]  And I hope that 2026 and 2027 are the years that white coat waste becomes a household name.
[02:45:14]  Everybody needs to know what white coat waste is because you're truly doing heroic work, not just saving people their taxpayer funds each year by exposing and eliminating these experiments when you expose them and they eventually get cut from the budget, but also saving lives.
[02:45:33]  And I think that this year we should create a tally.
[02:45:35]  We should really try to.
[02:45:36]  Create some kind of a tally to calculate how many animals' lives are being saved because you really can't put a dollar amount on the life of an animal, an animal saved that's eventually going to escape from these labs and find a forever home and experience the warmth of a bed and a cuddle and a kiss and pets for the first time.
[02:45:57]  And that's what we are working to do.
[02:45:59]  And that's what White Coat Waste is trying to do.
[02:46:01]  So thank you, Justin, for coming on the show tonight.
[02:46:04]  I really appreciate your time.
[02:46:06]  Thanks for your support, Laura.
[02:46:07]  And thanks to all your viewers for tuning in and for signing our petitions and getting active.
[02:46:12]  Absolutely.
[02:46:12]  We'll continue.
[02:46:13]  And we're going to be covering that hearing on Thursday.
[02:46:16]  Lumor Unleashed will be outside of Congress, and we'll be sure to record and document the WTF RFK billboard campaign.
[02:46:25]  Looking forward to seeing those billboards.
[02:46:28]  Awesome.
[02:46:28]  Thanks, Laura.
[02:46:30]  Thanks.
[02:46:30]  Thanks for coming on.
[02:46:31]  Appreciate it.
[02:46:34]  All right.

=== Demand End to Cruel Experiments (05:03) ===

[02:46:36]  Well, for those of you who are procrastinators, I suppose you're going to be finishing the calculations on your taxes tonight.
[02:46:44]  If you're not getting an extension, taxes are due tomorrow.
[02:46:48]  I hope that tonight's episode was eye opening for you and educational, and that you were able to learn about how a big portion of your tax dollars, the money that you send to the federal government every single year when you pay your taxes on April 15th, is going towards abusing animals.
[02:47:04]  Let's see any comments, any questions.
[02:47:07]  From people, any thoughts about tonight's episode?
[02:47:11]  If you are outraged, please be sure that you visit mahabetray.com and fill out these petitions and call HHS, call NIH, and tell them that you are demanding that they end all taxpayer funded animal testing and contact the Trump administration.
[02:47:28]  Start getting loud on social media, contact your representatives and ask them to intervene, to speak out about this and to oppose all funding in fiscal year.
[02:47:39]  2027, the budget for fiscal year 2027 that is going towards these cruel and inhumane animal torture experiments.
[02:47:47]  They're not really experiments, they're just like sociopathic torture.
[02:47:53]  And you know what they say?
[02:47:54]  They always say that serial killers start with animals.
[02:47:57]  Have you ever heard that before?
[02:47:58]  I have.
[02:47:58]  You always see these documentaries on Netflix, like, or How to Catch Predator.
[02:48:03]  You see all these crazy stories, all these dateline specials of serial killers or people that ended up becoming brutal murders and killers, rapists, whatever it may be.
[02:48:13]  And you always hear stories.
[02:48:14]  Well, you know, they started out torturing animals.
[02:48:17]  They started bashing the heads of lizards open, or they would cut open mice, or oh, they shot the dog, or oh, they killed the cat.
[02:48:24]  They drowned the cat.
[02:48:25]  You always hear some terrible story about how they killed innocent animals and that they had pleasure killing animals when they were children or teenagers.
[02:48:34]  So people who torture animals and people who are able to torture animals and people who don't.
[02:48:43]  Feel like a sense of revolt or sickness at the idea of torturing animals generally grow up to be serial killers and mass murderers.
[02:48:52]  Just something to keep in mind, especially when you know that your tax dollars are not just funding these experiments, but also funding the salaries and the benefits of these mad scientists who are no different than the serial killers who are being featured on Dateline or these Netflix specials that you watch and see about.
[02:49:15]  Famous serial killers who got their start killing animals.
[02:49:18]  So, something to think about.
[02:49:21]  Please be sure that you contact your representative tomorrow.
[02:49:24]  If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure that you follow me on X at Laura Loomer and on X at Loomer Unleashed.
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[02:49:47]  Lots of midterm election coverage.
[02:49:50]  Here you have the report about the billboard campaign.
[02:49:52]  If you want to read more about this billboard campaign funded by White Coat Waste, and if you support the work that I'm doing at Lumar Unleashed, you can click the drop down button and you can make a donation on my website in support of my work.
[02:50:06]  You can send me a check, you can donate online.
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[02:50:20]  Confidentiality and anonymity is always protected if requested.
[02:50:24]  And I hope that you will reach out to me so that we can continue exposing all the bad actors in Washington, D.C., exposing animal torture, animal abuse, taxpayer abuse, and all of the waste, fraud, and corruption that drives us crazy and makes us regret sending the checks that we're all going to be sending to the IRS tomorrow.
[02:50:45]  So, with that, hopefully you don't have to pay too much money to the IRS tomorrow.
[02:50:50]  But if you do, make sure that you at least make that money worth it by.
[02:50:56]  Contacting your representatives and contacting HHS and NIH and telling them that you do not want your money that you are sending to the government tomorrow to go toward torturing and abusing animals.
[02:51:10]  Remember, animal abuse is not a joke.
[02:51:13]  With that, thank you so much for tuning in to tonight's episode of Loomer Unleashed.
[02:51:17]  I will see you on Thursday for another live episode.
[02:51:20]  Have a great evening.
[02:51:22]  There is a young female journalist.
[02:51:27]  Conservative journalist by the name of Laura Loomer.
[02:51:31]  If America's men acted like Laura Loomer, our problems would be fixed in about five minutes.
[02:51:37]  She chained herself to the chair.
[02:51:38]  She chained herself.