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March 18, 2025 - Liberty Hangout - Kaitlin Bennett
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College Democrats Defend Trans'ing Kids
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How does someone know they're a woman?
If they're confused, how do you know you're a woman?
Trans people don't tend to be confused.
They tend to be pretty confident.
They are not confused?
They confuse conservatives.
They aren't confused themselves.
There's a difference there.
So you preferred your pronouns to be they and them.
They, them.
Okay.
Do you need me to explain how to use that?
Nope, because I'm not going to.
What do you care about?
So I'm like she was, like the lady that you just interviewed.
Who?
The lady that you just interviewed?
I'm non-binary.
My name is Kai.
So instead of being directly trans, male to female or a female male, I'm somewhere in the middle.
Okay.
Just, so, so would you say you were born female?
Oh, yes, of course.
Okay, so you're in the middle.
What does that mean?
So non-binary is, yes, I have my birth gender.
I do not deny my birth gender.
I'm not actively trying to transition to male, so I'm not taking steps.
Like I cut my hair, that was just a personal thing.
It's beautiful.
Thank you.
And I may eventually, if and when it's safe, to go on hormones, but that's to get like a deeper voice, just a bit of a deeper voice.
But I'm not actively trying to pass as a male and male from society.
I'm not trying to go into male festivals.
Okay.
I'm not male clothes, yes, but like they're comfortable.
When did you decide that you were more of ambiguous?
So I'm going to ask you that question first.
What age were you when you decided I'm not so comfortable being purely a woman.
I kind of want to be in the middle.
So my mom always let me dress myself.
She let me pick my own clothes.
When we would go shopping, she would let me be like, hey, what do you want to go?
Where do you want to go?
So I grew up wearing both male and female clothes.
The boys' cargo shorts were always comfy.
And then I grew up and I decided that I got this like, let me ask you this.
What is the sickest you've ever been?
Like the worst feeling you've ever had?
When I was in labor for 443 hours.
Oh god.
Yeah.
So I'm not talking like physical pain.
Like when you have like that sinking feeling, that hurt in your stomach, that sinking feeling in your heart, that's what it feels like to me to be, when I don't feel specifically feminine, that's what it feels like to put on a skirt or a dress or heavy makeup.
It's like that sinking, like you're curling in on yourself.
And I started experiencing that and I was like, what the hell is this?
because I was 7, I was 6 or 7, and I was like, what is this?
I had the sinking feeling itself?
She was like...
Are you sick?
And I was like, no, I'm not, like, I wasn't sick.
And I was just like, I don't.
So when you told your mom maybe you weren't so much feminine and you're kind of like thinking about that you weren't purely a girl or you're non-binary, what was her response to that?
I didn't actually start telling her that until I was 15 or 16, so like recently.
And it's just kind of like, I want you to be normal.
I don't want you to deal with the society.
Like she wasn't worried so much for me as the person I would turn into.
She was worried about what other people would think and what society would think and how I would be treated.
When's the first time you even heard the term non-binary?
What were you doing and where did you find that term?
I was in the GSA, the Gay Straight Alliance, for my high school and I was also 16.
So I went for a good nine years without hearing it and I was just kind of like, okay, so I don't, I like male and female.
I like, I like boys and girls.
So your high school had a gay straight alliance and you were part of that at what age?
16.
16.
And so you were junior high school and then you started hearing of these terms and you're like, oh, maybe that's something that actually fits me.
It did take a lot of consideration actually.
I first heard the singular they being used when I was nine or ten.
From where?
How did you hear about that?
It was just in general like conversation.
Even my dad, who is the most, he would probably be a supporter of Charlie Kirk.
He used they to refer to one of his work people and I was like, who are you talking about?
Because I had to be involved in everything.
I was a very nosy kid.
As kids are.
Yeah.
So I was like, oh, who are you talking about?
Because he said they, like, I thought he was referring to multiple people.
And he's like, no, I'm referring to this person.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
And just kind of moved on with it.
And I was like, that's cool.
Moving on.
So you preferred your pronouns to be...
They, them.
Okay.
Do you need me to explain how to use that?
Nope, because I'm not going to.
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to pretend that you're a they, them.
I know that you're a woman and you were created as a woman and you're perfect that way.
And I hope that there are some avenues and some people you can find that support you to let you know you're perfect the way that you are and there's such a blessing in being a woman and being feminine.
We have such a gift that we can have children.
We create the love that's in our home in a marriage and with our children.
There is such a blessing unique to femininity and womanhood, and that is the ability for us to bear children and raise them.
We have such a gift that we can, we have this child that we are able to nurture and then grow and shape into a wonderful person in the future.
And so don't lose that.
I'm not trying to change your mind or anything, but I know you've heard a lot about, you know, they thems and maybe you're a they-them or non-binary and you might want to take hormones to make your voice deeper.
I stay mostly out of the mainstream LGBTQ.
I like, I would like the most thing I would like to do, maybe I'll attend a pride parade, that's to show support.
I would like to live my life as I do.
I would like to exist as myself.
And I see the people who are like, I see the people who are furries.
I see the people who use Zay and Zem.
I see the people who use deal pronouns.
That's good for them.
It's not me.
I'd just like to exist as me.
So I support them.
They can have fun.
As long as they're having fun as themselves, it's fine.
And I'm having fun as myself.
Do you think there's any within anything within the transgenderism ideology or the movement that has been detrimental and you think that should be walked back?
Is there any criticisms of this going on?
Within the trans community, I do not like the attack of some within our own community.
There are influencers such as Blair White, Eden the Doll, Calvin Guerra, who turn on their own community to say, hey, I am this perfect passing person.
I'm going to talk down on you.
I don't think that's right.
It's like, it's the same deal.
It's the same deal as if it was a fraternity or sorority.
You don't talk down to the sisters or brothers in your community or in your house.
You don't talk down to the other people in your community.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
What's your name?
Kat.
Kat.
It's nice to meet you.
My name's Kate, so we're close there.
Did you have the chance to talk to him?
I have not.
No, I came here first.
So he won't be here for very long.
What is something you want to bring up with him?
I don't know if we'll go over talking just because it seems pretty clouded, but I was curious about his opinions on gender-affirming care for minors.
What do you think that his answer would be?
I think I know the answer, but I'm curious how it goes with his thoughts on whether he's gender-friendly care should be applied to adults.
Because I don't know his answer on that, because I know some conservatives don't like it for adults, some do.
And so I wanted to see what his view on that was.
What do you think gender-affirming care is?
Who do I think it is, or when do I think it should be given?
No, what is it?
Gender-affirming care is a wide variety of both healthcare and social behaviors, where in general, most primarily it's HRT or hormone placement therapy.
So for people who want to be more feminine, they can get estrogen or more masculine, more testosterone.
So we are going to have to move this way out of the road and not blog people.
So let's move this way.
Yes, so you were saying gender-affirming care.
What is that?
It takes form of hormone placement therapy for adults.
It can have gender abuse assignment surgery or sexual abuse assignment surgery.
And most common in minors, when it's given to minors, is puberty blockers or puberty sedescants.
Okay.
And when do you think that should be given?
I think the CDC and current health associations typically mandate for people around for puberty specifically before the onset of puberty to prevent.
What do you think?
I agree with that, yeah.
You agree with that?
Yes.
Okay.
Do you think there are any side effects or things that maybe we should look at to say maybe minors shouldn't be getting that before puberty?
To say things you shouldn't, maybe you should look at everything.
Obviously the entirety of effects is what should be measured.
Are there side effects?
I mean all medicine has side effects, but typically what people call the side effects are, you know, the desired effects.
So yeah, there are side effects, of course.
If you take estrogen, for example, you have a higher increase of blood clots because men typically have a lower chance of blood clots, but then you cis women have a higher chance of blood clots, so your odds go to that of a cis woman.
And so those technically side effects that wouldn't be desired, but it's not a dangerous side effect, I would say.
A blood clot isn't a dangerous side effect.
Well, so naturally cis women have higher algebra blood clots than cis men.
I'm not exactly sure the views.
What is a cis woman?
It's a woman who's assigned female birth.
So just a woman?
Who's assigned female birth?
Yes.
Just a woman.
They are a woman, yes.
Cis women are a woman, yes.
So one thing that we like to hear the conservative talking heads talk about and stuff is.
And I already asked someone else this year today.
We're talking about cis women, and I assume that you think trans women are also women.
Yes.
Yes.
So that beg the question because we're here, you know, the famous question: what is a woman?
Yes, so a woman is someone whose gender identity aligns with the typical phenotypic traits of females or of women.
And so the question, of course, is that's kind of vague.
It's not exact.
It's not desirable.
And so you can try and do, well, I can start to say is go to a woman somewhere with XF chrome zones.
But that also has gray area that also has gaps in their standing because people with, say, XX, Y, can affect your syndrome.
You're not going to say they're neither women or men.
They're obviously, you know, intersex.
And there's whether you call them woman or a man, it might depend on the individual person.
So that is like a very, very small percentage.
And that's actually, yeah, that's actually like a defect.
So that's like saying someone with 11 fingers.
We wouldn't go around and say, well, there's actually nothing that says how many fingers a human has.
You know what I mean?
So that's kind of like an outlier and a defect.
Something went wrong.
So normally a woman has XX chromosomes.
And normally women are cis.
That is the most common affair for a woman to have.
Nor any woman are above 4'5 or something.
But just because there are people that don't fit nor definitely mean they're not women.
So I'm saying.
Well, I was asking what is a woman?
And you said someone who identifies with, I guess, female traits.
So would you say like long hair?
What are those female traits?
So common, it depends on culture, obviously, in American culture versus ancient cultures, whatnot.
But yeah, in America, American culture, women are often find by stuff like the color pink or stuff like long hair.
And now none of these individual traits make you a woman because if you have long hair, you can be a man.
But what does make you a woman?
If your gender identity aligns with it.
But what does that mean?
What standards would have to be in a gender identity to say, yep, this is a woman?
Are you trying to say, is there some sort of measurable test that could be performed to determine if someone is a woman or not?
We have those, yeah.
We do have tests that can be performed to see if someone is a woman.
That's how they know if a discovered body is that of a male or a female because we can tell.
We can tell.
Yeah, yeah.
So I don't know.
When people say a cis woman or a trans woman, because I'm a woman, I know I'm a woman.
And I'm just wondering, how do we know?
How does someone know they're a woman?
If they're confused, how do you know you're a woman?
Trans people don't tend to be confused.
They tend to be pretty confident.
They are not confused.
They confuse conservatives.
They aren't confused themselves.
there's a difference there.
So if someone was born a female and is having an identity crisis and then they start having surgeries or getting on hormone therapies, because their female They're such a pretty confident they're made.
I don't, I don't, There is a level of confusion and suffering that has to happen to a person for them to make such a drastic change in their life.
Yeah, so that is confusion.
That is confusion.
For someone to not recognize that they are a woman or they are a man, there has to be something going on.
Someone just doesn't wake up one day and goes, well, I have a penis and now I'm a woman because I'm super confident in this decision.
There's a lot of suffering, I think, and neglect that happens before.
Yeah, yeah, because people are watching this person go through this and no one's stepping in to help them.
And they're most of the time just affirming this.
And then it ends up harming them.
And then it harms a lot of people.
Do you think there's no confusion if a woman that has been a woman all their life at the age of 16, maybe 18, 20, you think they're not confused if they don't know what gender they are?
It's literally a confused, it's confusion.
So because you mentioned if they're getting a bunch of surgeries, they're probably confused, but someone who gets chemotherapy isn't confused if they have cancer or not.
They know they have cancer.
Are you relating transgenderism to cancer?
I'm relating gender dysphoria as a mental illness, yes.
So it's a mental illness, a level of confusion that people go through to have to make this change.
Although, I think maybe we would agree that a lot of this is kind of like trendy.
It's kind of trendy along Gen Z and millennials.
We would like to agree there.
Yeah, I think a lot of it has to do with clubs that are made in high school.
I just talked to somebody actually.
They had a gay club in high school that she was a part of.
And then, no, it wasn't that.
She said the gay and lesbian alliance or something.
But that was a club in high school.
These are minors being put into the viewpoint of a particular ideology and agenda for what people think should be allowed.
and normalized in society.
And then she comes out miraculously confused about her gender, which is such a harm to gender.
Yes, she is, because she's not sure if she wants to be more masculine or more feminine.
She was confused.
And they're non-binary.
And somebody, that is confusion.
How do you not know if you're one or the other?
They said they were non-binary.
They didn't seem to be born.
Unfortunately, it's not productive or helpful to a person to affirm them in this confusion that they're experiencing.
They said how they had a massive pit in their stomach when they were going up.
Yeah, that's a cry for help because she was confused.
And they got the help.
They're healthy now.
No, she didn't get help.
And it's wrong.
Well, that's the thing.
So these studies show that when you get treatment for like hormone replacement therapy or you get like surgeries that help you identify more as the gender you want to be, it's actually a short-term euphoria that people experience and the depression rates do not change at all.
They don't change and the suicide rates do not change as well.
So we are putting these people, we are putting these people to all of these terrible things.
Yeah, you're quoting a study from Sweden in the early 2010s and that study doesn't say that.
A lot of outlets said it said that the study states is that the depression rate or suicide rate of post-op trans people is higher than that of cis people, which, yeah, that's not shocking.
No, it followed people before and after.
It followed people before and after and there was no change.
There was no change in the study, I guess, because I think we're going to talk about the pain.
No, we're talking about the Sweden study.
No, I know exactly what you're talking about.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hi, how are you?
Howdy.
I'm good today.
Good.
Caitlin Ben, right?
Good, yes.
I'm Remy.
It's nice to meet you.
Hi, I'm going to do one of these.
Yeah, germs, you know, feeling a little sick.
I've been a big fan of yours, like, since a little kid.
You know, when I was in middle school, I guess I am like 29 or more at those points.
I've been watching your stuff since middle school.
How old are you?
I'm 22.
I am.
22, okay.
I hate to date you at all with that.
But, you know, I've been watching a lot of your stuff, like Charlie Kirk stuff from like a very young age.
You know, I come from a very conservative household, very Christian family.
You're from Florida?
Yeah.
Native, born and raised over in Orlando, you know, just a stone's throw away.
And you know, I watched a lot of your guys' content, like growing up and stuff, and it led me to like work out a lot and be very involved in my church and like do a lot to try and like better myself and my community.
And in some ways I think it was helpful.
But overall, I did find that there was this nagging emptiness.
There was this nagging feeling of just everything, you know, inside of all of what I was doing.
And like, I think that in a lot of ways the bill of goods being sold to young men by the conservative movement today is not nearly as complete as it needs to be.
I think that in a lot of ways it's a very hollow promise and it's one that leaves a lot of men disappointed.
So what are the promises that conservatives are trying to sell young men?
In a lot of ways I think that there's like a high prioritization of masculinity, of being very strong in a physical sense.
And I don't always think that's necessary.
I think that health especially comes in a lot of different forms for people.
Now that's not me saying that you should be 400 different pounds and like you're healthy at that point.
Obviously not.
Simply that like you know a guy that prefers to do yoga and like go on runs is just as much of a man as a guy who lifts 300 pounds.
I also think that in some ways the overprioritization at least I found it's very easy to develop like body dysmorphia I think it is body dysmorphia as a man when you're working out a lot.
Like you spend a lot of time very focused on this image of being stronger and there's an image put forth by a lot of conservative networks and movements that prioritize that kind of masculinity.
I don't think that's really healthy.
Who in particular would you say are kind of like channeling that?
Well I mean if you look at like Steven Crowder Steven Crowder's like a really jacked guy.
I mean he definitely puts on that I don't want to say like facade but more like a persona of being a very archetypal man's man.
I don't really think that's super healthy for a lot of men to aspire to and I found that there was a very high prioritization of that as a form of masculinity to aspire to.
I find that it led me to a very hollow place and I've seen my brother who's very much like still very conservative.
I'd say I've probably lightened up just a little bit.
You know maybe that's a college, maybe that's just like living life, but I found that the stories you're told in your bedroom when you're watching videos and stuff are not nearly as accurate to reality as I'd like them to be.
And I find that in a lot of ways this kind of media, it's not been as helpful as I wish it was to me when I was at that young age.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
How old were you, you said, when you would have started?
13, 14, when I started watching stuff, I remember thinking...
I think media should be filtered through the parents and should be selected and watched before children watch it.
I would never ask a 13-year-old to watch my content because there are things that we talk about and things that happen that they might not completely understand and gets really confusing.
So I don't condone that at all.
I'm sorry if you've left, been left to feel like things were not helpful or misleading.
I would say who comes to mind when you talk about masculinity, maybe not being is Michael Knowles.
He's not very, you know, a man's man.
He's super, you know, cigars and whiskey.
Let's read a book and play the ukulele.
And I think he is actually a great example of masculinity.
One, because of his faith.
I think a masculine man is really strong in his faith and knows a lot about it.
And that's something that Michael is, he's really, really strong in his face.
He also talks so highly about his wife and his children.
And I think that's a masculine trait too, is to have a lot of respect and love for your wife and for your children and the family that you want to create and protect.
I'm a Catholic.
Awesome.
Yeah, yeah.
That's how you feel about like the church in today's society.
Because I personally feel like, at least for a lot of denominations, it's really been falling short as of late.
I look around myself at a lot of services and I don't see a lot of people my age that are nearly as involved as I wish they were.
Especially like going to like a good, you know, 10.30 p.m. or 10.30 a.m. service on a nice Sunday.
You eat breakfast with your family, you go to church.
And I look around myself and I just see a rapidly aging audience and I can't help but feel like maybe the church isn't quite doing enough to reach out to people or maybe it is focusing on some of the wrong things.
So I think, number one, I agree with you that a lot of, especially Gen Z, Gen Z, right?
Yeah, they probably, church is not at the forefront what they're thinking of.
We differ a little bit because I'm Catholic.
The other denominations all kind of have their own things.
I can't speak to what's going on in those churches, but particularly the Catholic church that I go to is thriving with young families.
There's new babies, like three to five babies being born every year in my church.
It is like a daycare in there when we go to Mass and it's beautiful.
It's the best sound that you can ever hear in a mass.
But what I would say is I wouldn't so look at the church.
I would so look at the parents.
It's not the church's job to try to bring children in.
They should have catechized the adults and they should have had a better, that's a term that Catholics use.
No, I'm not a familiar.
Yeah, so they should have catechized the adults to have a better understanding of their faith, to be to embrace it and be emboldened in their faith, than to pass that on to their children.
So I don't necessarily think it's a criticism of the church.
And the Catholic Church has not changed for 2,000 years.
So they have always been who they are and will always be, you know, the church that Christ founded.
So I don't think it's the church's problem.
I think it's unfortunately through the years or generations that have not been properly catechized and then have had a lacking faith and then it's passed on to their children, which is such a disservice because it's the parents' job to raise a child in faith.
It's not necessarily the church's job, but they can do more.
Everybody can always do more to bring people to God and to Christ and stuff like that.
So there's never no room for improvement.
I mean, I'll be transparent.
You know, I'm a musician.
I spend time on the road touring and stuff.
And I found that it can be difficult to maintain a degree of regularity when you're doing that.
I was curious as to what your experience has been because I figure, you know, you go around the country pretty often, spend a lot of time on the road.
How do you balance that?
How do you find space for your faith in that?
Yeah, so I love this question Because I actually took off a few years from my work and traveling to be a mom and to focus on my children and my faith.
I converted to Catholicism from atheism actually when I was pregnant with my first child.
And so that was what was important to me.
And so I took time off because within my faith is also my motherhood.
It's rooted on all of the same.
So to be true to my motherhood and to be true to my faith is the same thing.
And that was taking time away from filming and traveling.
and creating content and being solely with my children to be the best mom that I can be and give them exactly what they need.
I think women should be there for their children primarily if the means is to do so.
And I'm so blessed with everybody who supports my content and monetarily or even in viewership gave me the opportunity to take such a long amount of time off to be there with my children.
And so that's how I do it.
But also you have to prioritize that.
So if you're traveling around and you know, it's a mass time and you have an obligation to go to church, you go.
Really, it's up to you.
You just go.
And if you're traveling and that's what it is, if you're going to get in trouble for skipping something and going to mass, what's more important?
You have to decide what's more important for yourself.
Church and Christ or, I don't know, playing the guitar.
So yeah.
Yeah.
Well, thank you so much for your time.
Yeah, it was nice talking to you.
What was your name?
Remy.
Remy, it was really nice talking to you.
So I love your hat.
I noticed it's out here.
Jesus loves you.
If you could say something to, I guess, some of the people that would disagree with Charlie or disagree with me and don't realize the perfect image in which God created them.
What would you say to them?
I would say that obviously a lot of people like to check from the Bible.
It does say that God loves everyone, but it also says to turn away from sin and be completely changed and transformed.
So I believe that once you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you become a new creation, a new creature.
And I feel like that's what you and Charlie promote the best.
I feel like that's what you're going to do.
That's why you will be a great mother because in Proverbs it talks about how when you guide your children in the ways of the Lord, then they will never depart from it.
So as long as you keep doing that, it will go very smoothly for you.
And I'm very much in agreement with that.
My children, I'm going to more than likely try to steal them away from the public image because when you're a child, you're easy to mold.
When you're a child, you're essentially like potting clay, right?
Yeah, my child all the time thinks that I don't like to say the gender of my children, but you know, there's a lot of pretend traints, let's just say.
And we think we're trains a lot of the time, but we're obviously not trains.
Exactly.
So children are easy to mold.
Shoot, they believe in Santa, and you have to, you know, you have to get them one day, sit them down, be like, oh, hey, Santa's not really, we're not really real.
And you gotta, you know, so it's it's it's a lot of that.
And, you know, I had another point that I was wanting to bring up.
But yeah, it is hard on the spot.
Yeah, it is, it is.
But, yes, it was nice time.
That's what I was going to say.
Oh, of the young lady that was here up, I heard her bring up a point of brown and colored people.
Like, I'm Hispanic.
I'm first generation Hispanic in Florida.
So, and for me, I don't think it was as difficult as people perceive it to be in the school area.
I'm riding on a good scholarship right now because of my hard work and my effort, not because of my skin color.
You know, so that's what a lot of people get confused nowadays: is, oh, they should be hired for this job because we want diversity.
No, no, no.
They should be hired for the job because they're qualified, because they're supposed to be there.
You know, so do you feel at all?
Because I made the point that when my college had a special orientation just for black and brown students, separate from the orientation for everybody else, do you think that's insulting?
Because I feel like I was like, well, do they really need extra, do you really think that they need extra hand holding?
I was like, I don't know.
I'm not black.
Maybe black people like that.
I will speak on your behalf and say I don't agree with that because, I mean, I'm very biblically based.
And the Bible says we're all created in the image of God.
No one is higher, greater than anyone else.
We're all the same.
We all commit this.
We've all lied before, I'm pretty sure, right?
So We're all equal under God.
So whether you're black, white, Asian, no matter what it is, you're a human, human being at the end of the day.
So yeah, I feel like there should be no separation between black, white, colored, whatever.
I feel like America's gotten really good at that lately.
Like we're very diverse.
I've met so many Hispanics here, so many white people here, so many black people here.
Like it's, you know, a very, very well-diverse group of people here.
And I feel like we should all stick together.
So that's it.
I agree with that.
Thank you.
What was your name?
Audi.
Audi, it's nice to meet you.
I'm Kate.
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