The Lotus Eaters #1368 dissects Hope Not Hate’s 2026 State of Hate report, exposing its Labour ties and circular "far-right" definitions that now trap mainstream figures like Nigel Farage—whose Reform UK polls at 50% civil war fear—under extremist labels. The episode links halal meat (72–80% of UK lamb) to Sharia funding, citing 68% of slaughterhouses failing hygiene inspections and "reversible stunning" as animal cruelty, while critiquing Reform UK’s neoconservative defectors like Jenrick (Desmond tax breaks) and Farage’s pro-abortion contradictions. Ultimately, it frames institutional concessions—from halal exemptions to mass immigration—as a slippery slope toward societal fragmentation, urging resistance through labeling bans and localism. [Automatically generated summary]
Welcome to the podcast of The Lotus Eaters for Thursday, the 5th of March.
God, it's the 5th of March already, 2026.
I'm joined by Lucy White and Farris.
And today we're going to be talking about the right-wing Oscars because the state of hate from Hope Not Hate has just dropped.
Who's in it?
Well, we'll find out who gets the prizes.
We're going to be talking about how Nigel Farage is literally constructing the UK's uniparty for some reason.
No one can quite explain why, but he's hell-bent on doing it.
And then we're going to be talking about just how bad halal slaughter is, non-star slaughter generally, actually, and the case for why it really should be banned.
But right, so let's just crack on.
So every year, there is an exciting moment when Hope Not Hate dropped their famous state of hate report.
Now, I'm not actually sure who actually reads this.
They think that it's parliamentarians and sort of Westminster bubble types.
But honestly, why would they bother?
It's just here's everyone on the right wing, and we think they're racist.
It's like, yeah, we know.
I think the objective is to get these people banned by saying that in the same way that the Southern Poverty Law Center or the ADL will say that you are a radical extremist, therefore you should be unpersoned, deplatformed, da-da-da-da-da.
Oh, he's been featured in Hope Not Hate.
You should ban him.
Exactly.
That's the actual aim here.
But the problem that they have is it's literally the boy who cried wolf.
You cast a wide enough net, you keep fooling people in saying, oh, this person, this person.
And you've got to a point now where it's like, well, we would have to ban hundreds of different politicians and about three different political parties if Hope Not Hate got their way, which is obviously not going to happen.
Which is exactly what they would want.
Precisely what they want.
They would want to ban everybody except the Greens, right?
No, no, they're a Labour organ.
They're a Labour Party organ.
Well, Labour is.
Morally, they agree with the Greens.
Shabbat almood is a Nazi, I've been told.
Doubtless, they think that, but morally, they agree with the Greens, but Labour are practically the realistic solution and probably they're funders.
So anyway, here's the state of hate.
And I thought we'd go through it.
We've got the full PDF here, in fact.
What a great cover.
Got Nigel Farage, Rupert Lowe, Tommy Robinson, Steve Laws, and Nick Tencone for some reason.
So gutted that I didn't get one of the top five Oscars here.
Didn't make it to the front cover.
Surprised Dark Horse and Nick Tencone getting there, you know.
I mean, he's currently disavowing Restore Britain for being racist, just like Nigel Farage.
Anyway, you know, so anyway, we'll go through it.
So on page six, they've got the editorial from Nick Lawles himself.
They have some myth.
Donate to stop reform.
Yes.
I mean, Hope Not Hate always has funding problems.
Doubtless, you know, they need to raise some money.
But I imagine that the readership is 90% right-wing, so good luck with that.
Anyway, he complains that this year's report comes against the backdrop of a far-right that's growing in size in its extremism and in its confrontational stance.
It's great.
Congratulations, everyone.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well done.
Good job.
That's a lot of hard work.
That's really paying off.
Well, essentially, it's our reaction to what's going on, isn't it?
It's like they say we're growing more extreme.
It's like, well, have you seen the state of the country?
What did you expect?
Yes.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
I don't find myself to be extreme.
I just find the state of the country to be disgraceful and unacceptable, frankly.
But anyway, one of the main points, he says, unquestionably, the most important new development of the year was Stephen Lennon's, aka Tommy Robinson.
No, no, it's Yaxley Lennon, which saw in excess of 150,000 people take the streets of London.
Probably bigger than that, in my opinion.
And I was there, so I would think I would know.
But anyway, it was the largest far-right protest in British history.
And so this is one of those things where people are like, oh, what's the point of these protests?
Well, to put the fear of God into them, frankly.
Put the fear of God into Kirstama, and it just galvanized people, gives people a way of expressing themselves.
So the United Kingdom, as far as I'm concerned, was a success because of that.
And then they say, sadly, so far, the government has failed to adequately meet the challenge.
At a time when political leadership was most needed, the government was at best largely silent, adding only to the sense of fear that many people felt.
Notice how they're appealing to the government there, though, right?
Where is the British government on this?
Where's the Labour government?
It's like, well, why do you feel represented by the Labour government?
Yes.
You feel like the Labour government should be addressing this as you want because you are an arm of the Labour government and everyone knows it, which, again, is probably where you get most of your funding.
Worse still, in attempts to appear tough on immigration has echoed far-right narratives about feeling like a stranger in one's own country and made claims that mass immigration has done incalculable damage to the British economy.
The problem that you have, though, Nick, is that these problems are real and we are experiencing them every day of our lives.
I don't understand why supply and demand are suspended for migration.
Well, otherwise, they wouldn't have any justification for it.
Excess supply, zero demand, negative demand.
How do you swing this?
Supply of labor, lower wages, higher housing costs, higher cost of everything else.
That's how it works.
Yeah, it's quite mad.
I mean, something like 20% of people between 16 and 64 are economically inactive, as in working-age adults, and yet we get 260,000 work visas a year.
What are we doing?
So, anyway, it doesn't matter.
Supply and demand don't exist.
These are, of course, far-right narratives.
Anyway, so they've got the executive summary, which I think is just brilliant from the title.
The far-right is bigger, bolder, and more extreme than ever before.
We're winning, lads, basically, is what they're arguing.
This is just a rundown of the ideological disputes on the right, so we'll just skip over that.
What a great endorsement.
Everyone's just working so hard.
I don't even need to read it.
You can see the issue.
But as you can see, pressure from the right here.
This is the bit where it gets interesting, I think, because they recognize that.
And this would have been written, you know, however many weeks ago, but they recognize that Restore was about to hit when this was printed 100k.
It's now sailed past this.
And it's probably a problem.
Rupert Lowe is already by far the most extreme MP.
The team around him, even more radical.
More brilliant.
With key figures openly advocating for remigration.
What a superb advert.
I love the scare quotes.
Yeah.
I love how every good idea must have scare quotes.
Yes.
Because when you utter a thing, you kind of invoke the thing.
And so they have to imply that they're distancing themselves from it.
As if anyone thought that Hope Not Hate went based or something.
Anyway, so yes, they can see that things are getting worse for the centrist consensus, right?
The Blairite consensus.
There are significant challenges and they don't really have the tools to overcome them.
They go on about all these things.
Blah, blah, blah.
You get to civil war with David Betts, the rise of nativism, I think, is a fair way of calling it.
Can I pause you there for a second?
If more and more British people believe that there is a genuine risk of civil war, the problem isn't that they're being radicalized.
The problem is that there is a genuine risk of civil war.
Yes.
And you want to ask yourself, what has broken the legitimacy of the system to an extent that people now believe that the only way it could be fixed is through violence?
I mean, that would be what a good faith thinker might suggest.
Correct.
But they are incapable of doing that.
Yes.
Sorry, that's why remigration is essentially the peaceful option.
Yes.
It's essentially the last option where we say, you know, these people have to leave.
You can leave peacefully and return home.
You cannot stay here because we're essentially already experiencing what you could call a civil war every day as we were discussing.
There's rapes, stabbings.
These are the sort of effects or what we're seeing parts of the civil war play out already.
Remigrating the Palestinians from Lebanon, firstly, would have stopped a civil war from happening.
Secondly, it could only ended up happening because the Israelis invaded Lebanon all the way to Beirut and kicked the Palestinians out.
So when things get to a certain point, violence becomes really the only arbiter.
Well, let's come to civil war in a minute, actually, because they've got quite a lot on that.
So here we have their working definition of far-right, which is pretty broad.
It's an umbrella term that encompasses those individuals and organizations whose political outlook is more extreme or hardline than those of the center-right of the mainstream political spectrum.
Well, it hasn't really explained anything, has it?
No.
It hasn't defined anything.
No, exactly.
That's a very watery definition.
However, it is important to recognize that far-right is often distinct from more traditional conservatism and is often aggressively opposed to it.
Right.
So, what you're saying is traditional conservatism is Blairism, which is why Michael Gove was promoting the good slut book that Zoe Strimple wrote.
And, you know, so that's the Telegraph and the Spectator hand in hand going, yes, feminism.
Yeah, no, I'm opposed to that.
If that's what traditional conservatism is now, I'm definitely opposed to it.
So, again, just it's a useful term, apparently, although you've not really suggested why.
It seems to be useful in that you are putting someone in a box and telling them they're a bad person.
Seems to be all it is.
But you're not making a proper argument here.
And of course, you've got like the various shades of the far right: there's far right, and then far right with a swastika.
Okay, that's that's very useful.
Um, but anyway, they say the radical right rejects uh accepts fundamentals of democracy, but rejects certain values of liberal democracy, such as minority rights and pluralism.
I'm not even sure that's a really fair characterization of even quite the most hardline right-winger.
No one's suggesting that minorities have to lose their rights, as in they're not going to have their property stolen from them or just be abused by the state or something.
Just perhaps maybe the British people should have the same rights as them.
I think it's the most common charge.
By their lights, both Malaysia and South Africa would be far right.
That's the thing.
If you know maybe the world, the other political systems, Indonesia, Malaysia, and South Africa would all be considered far-right because they place the interests of what they call natives above those of others, and they define the Malays, the Indonesians, and black South Africans as the natives.
So there's an element of ridiculousness to this whole thing.
Yes.
If you're calling South Africa far-right, but that is what is implied.
Yes.
Well, that's the thing.
What they're really talking about is any kind of native sentiment, protein sentiment.
So, yes, you are right.
Even though it's a massively communistic country, South Africa's sort of black population and their representatives are massively nativist towards those, particularly towards those, and of course, stigmatize the whites.
And so, that would be, by this definition, far-right.
But here we go.
The definition far-right, not terribly useful, but we're not here for their good thoughts.
Here's the coming civil war section, page 12, which is quite interesting.
It focuses on David Betts and Gadsad, obviously, who have been warning about this.
Why might Gad Saad know something about civil war?
Oh, he's a Lebanese Jew, that's why.
He had to flee Lebanon because of some reason something happened in the 1980s in Lebanon.
Well, apparently, something did.
Yeah, something did.
Palestinians migrated with their guns and then the far right took over.
I don't know what we're saying.
So anyway, here's a nice chart they've got where they've polled various people how likely they think it was there'll be a civil war.
Now, 2024 reform UK voters, over 50% of them think there's a civil war coming.
Nigel Farage has decided that he's going to, as we'll see soon, just reconstitute Labour and Conservatives under the reform banner.
So I don't think he understands his own supporters.
No, he doesn't.
So this is just an interesting point.
He's betrayed his base, his supporter base.
He doesn't like them.
That's the fundamental issue.
I mean, fundamentally, of just all groups, 31% think there will be a civil war.
38% think there won't be.
Now, when 31% think, yeah, I think there's going to be a civil war, I'd be hearing that as I'm going to fight a civil war, right?
I'm so unhappy with the state of affairs.
Oh, yeah, I'm thinking about it, you know?
Not necessarily.
What it means is that a third of the electorate has so lost confidence in the system that they think there's going to be violence, correct?
And look around you.
There is violence every day.
And that's half of reform, more than half of reform voters.
Yeah.
Think that.
So anyway, they understand that there are significant political schisms and fault lines in Britain, and this isn't going great.
There's, you know, they've got a lot on this, but there's Elon's spiritual leader, Gad Saad, average Nazi.
Moving on.
They get to eventually at page 24.
Is that a picture of Bregovich or something?
No, no, it wasn't.
I don't think it was anyway.
It was some other guy.
Oh, it is Anders Breivik.
Okay.
Right.
So he gets to, I mean, they go through foreign interference, blah, blah, blah.
And then Elon Musk.
And fine, the British far right.
So basically, they have their series of generic complaints about Elon Musk, but understand and identify that, yes, Twitter has helped us.
Yes, it has, obviously.
And they go through quite a long time.
I love this.
It's just an entire page.
Hold on to hope.
Yeah, this is all sounding quite bad.
If you're a left-winger, you're like, hold off to hope.
Are we getting crushed here?
Are we losing this fight?
It just seems it's not going great.
Anyway, yeah, they complain about Twitter or X. They're complaining about Amelia, apparently.
They probably do created Amelia.
They created Amelia, didn't they?
They did.
Yes.
That's the funny thing.
Oh, no, that's just written by Amelia Hart.
No, above that or something.
Was it?
Was it oh no, no, no.
Um, oh, no, no, that was Brock putting people in bikinis.
Okay, a completely trivial story that they've stolen to.
Um, anyway, so then you've got uh the far right getting out in the streets, which of course they have been and they probably will continue to do this year as the weather improves.
Screw that.
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Then we get to normalizing hate, the role of the British media.
And this is this is where things start to get quite fun, I think, because it goes to show this part really shows the scope of what hope not hate feels the problem is.
Now, of course, GB News is there.
Now, GB News is not very extreme.
No, really moderate.
I don't watch television, so I don't know.
Well, I see the clips regulated by Ofcom, so they can't really say what they want to say exactly.
And also, they're more sort of you know disaffected conservatives, right, rather than far-right radicals or anything like that.
They'd be happy with a return to the 1990s and the Blairite consensus without the demographic change, completely, that which is you know, reasonable.
Let's all be decent enough to each other and sort of you know get on, which is the objection to that, exactly.
It's completely understandable, but unfortunately, we're in a completely different situation now, so it's a bit too late for that, I would suggest.
Uh, anyway, so they complain about Matt Goodwin, Bev Turner, Neil, all of a blah, blah, blah.
But then we get the spectator, sorry, the spectator is that is that a problem?
Is it the spectator is a problem?
Is a problem whom they're accused of unwanted sexual advances, including groping.
Like, okay, Laurie Williams.
So, what you can accuse everything, Ron Little, yeah, I know, exactly, right?
Oh, there I am, mentioned on the GB News thing.
Um, well, I mean, Douglas Murray, if you if you look there, it says, um, the great replacement conspiracy theory, but we know it's not a conspiracy, it's it's even living through it, it's a united it's also a United Nations uh report, it's over 100 pages long, it's an actual.
I've actually read that report, yeah.
So, the report is what would we, what would the consequences be if we got replacement migration?
Now, they theorized it would give economic growth, but they also understood you know, it might not be worth it because there'll be huge social prices to pay uh up until and including civil war, and they did it anyway.
And now we're at the point where it's like, ah, everyone's thinking it might be a civil war, so who could have known?
But uh, anyway, yeah, Douglas Murray and Rod Little are featured in the state of hate for being uh hateful, and then you've got the telegraph.
It's like, my god, like it just literally the Tory graph, the conservative newspaper in the country, is the problem.
Got Poppy Coburn there, Douglas Carswell, Allison Pearson.
My god, they're all bad, and of course, the Daily Mail.
I don't think that's right-wing.
Well, that's the point, isn't it?
The Daily Mail is schizophrenic, yeah.
Yeah, they did a hit piece on me, but also with The Telegraph, they keep doing hit pieces on Rupert Lowe, so I don't think they're quite a right-wing.
Again, in the sort of Blairite consensus, maybe they're on the right of it, but they're not what we would consider right-wing.
I think the whole purpose is to use this to maintain pressure on everyone to threaten them with reputational destruction if they're mentioned by Hope Not Hate.
Correct.
Except that now it's become everyone exactly.
Now it's become farcical.
It's just comedy at this point.
Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Spectator.
Who's next?
The Express.
Oh, right.
Yeah.
Well, that's me.
Isn't that like 150 years old?
Yeah.
This is a really old newspaper.
This is like, yep, that's far right too.
Yeah, there's Lucy White.
There we go.
That's me.
I made it to the Hall of Fame.
Talk TV.
Well done.
Thank you.
But you'll notice that they're just casting the widest possible net to include anything that's right-wing.
And so their complaint is: well, the far right are everywhere in every newspaper in political parties.
They have political representation, and this is a bit of a problem for them.
The spectator apologized to them, apparently, but who cares?
Moving on.
So then we've got reform.
Now, they have a huge section on reform.
It's about 20 pages long.
So Samson, can you do us a favor and in a second skip to page 61, please?
So this is a really interesting section that I'm going to summarize because they have spent the last decade or so calling everyone a Nazi.
Okay.
Nigel Farage, Nazi.
Now, Nigel Farage has gone incredibly wet, incredibly limp, incredibly centrist, betraying his base.
And the problem for Hope Not Hate is they can't walk that back.
No, we spent decades demonizing Nigel Farage as the far-right boogeyman.
But actually, things have got so bad, the right has gone so far to the right, Nigel Farage looks like a moderate centrist.
So now we have defined literally everything from Nigel Farage rightwards as extremism.
That's well over half the country at this point.
If Hans, are we the baddies?
I mean, you are completely under siege.
They should take a moment to consider the possibility that maybe they're the problem.
Maybe having a betting shop, a vape shop, and a kebab shop being the entirety of the high street is actually a bad thing.
Maybe, but for the sake of time, we're going to have to move on.
Anyway, so then you've got the radical right.
Ooh, that's us.
Okay.
You've got Advanced UK, Ben Habib, Radical Rightist.
Yep.
And then you've got Restore Britain.
Radical rightist.
Yep.
Good.
Nice full page spread there.
Then you've got us.
We've got a nice, basically a full page spread because it goes down on this side as well.
I love this.
The Swindon Grievance Factory.
Sounds like a great nightclub.
We're in the nightclub right now, as we speak.
But I love this, right?
Every year, they have something of the same line, which is with a level of production value unusual among the British far right.
The Load Cedars hosts an array of text, audio, video content behind the paywall.
Also, it uses mainstream platforms, including YouTube, where it's received almost 400 million views across two main channels.
So we're great, a great podcast that's very successful.
Well, I'm glad to hear that.
This is the thing.
Exactly.
Exactly.
They can be like, oh, we're racist, authoritarian, blah, blah, blah.
But they are hugely successful.
How is this happening?
It's also similar to the fact that, you know, one of the only reasons reform was polling so high is because people are fed up, you know, and we want mass deportations, etc.
And so, yeah, no wonder that we're popular because people agree with us.
If you just see the stream of stories that comes out in the news every day, and if you just walk around the average town center, that's radicalizing.
Well, that's why the show has darkened over time.
Ethno-nationalist positions are taken as red, and discussions can quickly devolve into base racism with free market economic leanings mingling with calls for brutal state crackdowns against ideological and ethnic enemies.
Wow, there we go.
Like Kenny Bernock's enemies?
I guess.
Like the North North Nigerians are, I mean, she's not the prime minister yet, so I don't think we're awarded.
Yet, there is no, there isn't, that's never going to happen.
That's true.
Thank God.
Anyway, so we've platformed loads of people, and it's just like the greatest hits of who's who across the right wing.
And so basically, what they're saying is we're very, very successful.
We're very well connected with everyone.
We've got loads of people on and our production values are great.
Really?
Congratulations.
Yeah.
And then they've got a segment all about me, which I find really funny because normally they use a hideous ancient picture.
But I mean, this is still a five-year-old picture, but that's a pretty good picture.
I think it's great.
I'm looking for handsome there, I think.
Thanks very much, Hoplahey.
I love the quote above it.
Since launching Load Cedars, Benjamin appears to have been radicalized by his own platforms.
I live in Swindon.
I've watched it decay.
I've watched it get worse.
Every day I go into the town center and it's worse than it was the day before, right?
That's what's radicalizing me.
Just FYI.
That's what's making me very, very right-wing.
Just so you know.
Anyway, we'll skip on a bit more because there is some other things.
They go into, well, I'll just summarize it.
They did the United Kingdom rallies on page 76, where they polled 8,000 people in January 2026 and found that more than a quarter of them said they either went to the demonstration or they supported it from afar.
So surprisingly popular.
And then it gets to page 86 where it's like terrorism and it's just profiles of misfit weirdos.
Then they think that this year is going to be a year of expected protests.
They go through anti-LGBT stuff, the pink ladies, conspiracy theorists like David Ikes.
They get finally to like Steve Laws and neo-Nazis.
And on page 138, if we can go to that one, please.
Samson, if we can get to page 138, they have a profile on Friend of the Show, which is always funny.
Not this guy.
In the Nazi section?
Nima?
Yes.
The half-Arthurian, half-Welsh, neo-Nazi.
not quite a nazi actually these are just oh well i mean in the profile nazis fascists and nationalists Right.
You've got Nima Parvini.
So being an ethno-nationalist is the same as being a Nazi?
As far as they're concerned, what's the difference?
I mean, I have to say this.
Being any kind of nationalist means that you love your own people more than strangers.
That is the healthy default setting for any normal human being.
And has been since the dawn of time.
So, okay.
Thank you, I guess.
Thanks for clearing that up.
The point is, as far as they're concerned, even AA is a Nazi.
And then you've got just various others, like, you know, Skildings.
It's like, that's the organization that does the events that we do.
Basket weavers.
Like, these are not Nazi organizations.
Anyway, you got, like, you know, some various, they've got Millennial Woes.
That's a good picture they used for him as well.
Like, Millennial Woese still gets a mention.
Well done, Woes.
The Zoom historian.
And like, you know, a new generation of hate.
The torch is being passed.
Anyway, so this is, it's longer than usual as well.
And you get to page 48, which is their kind of conclusion.
It could happen here, but it's not inevitable.
But what's it?
What's it?
And they say, well, when it came to choosing the title of this year's State of Hate report, we were stumped.
How do we adequately express a far-right landscape that is bigger, angrier, and more extreme, better funded, and altogether more confident than ever before?
We landed on it could happen here.
Well, I assume that you mean a Nazi takeover is going to happen and put people into death camps.
Inspired by the phrase, it can't happen here.
Often used in the US and Europe across the 1930s to deride the possibility of fascism and totalitarianism coming to our shores.
I mean, this just feels anachronistic, right?
But this just feels archaic.
It's been like, oh, yeah, the possibility of fascism coming to Britain.
It's like, no, God, we're so far away from that being a worry.
The title can feel at worst hyperbolic.
Really, you think so?
But we're in a moment that is not defined purely by how the far-right operates, but how public opinion moves alongside it.
Pessimism is bedding in.
Our polling finds that 23% of Brits think there will be a civil war within the next five years.
There's a job for all of us at the moment, whether you're reading this report as a Hope Not Hate supporter, a community leader, or even as a cabinet minister.
I'm sure if you were a cabinet minister, you'd have better things to do.
I hope so.
This is remarkable compared to previous ones.
So like you can look at this 2022 one and it's like, oh, oh, things, things are, you know, give us money, obviously.
But things are like far smaller.
Notice how it's, they're complaining about racism, everyday hatred, oh, hate and harassment, transphobia, conspiracy theories.
But it's not, it doesn't have the same sort of genuine strain of fear that was running through it.
Yes.
Right.
In 2022, they felt like they had a handle on things.
No, no, we call you a racist.
We call you a Nazi.
That's it.
That shuts you up.
That locks you out of the conversation.
And now there's this gargantuan right-wing ecosphere.
They're like, oh, my God, we're surrounded.
This is terrifying.
We're losing the fight is what Hope, Not Hate are saying to us.
Must be how Kirstarmer feels, right?
Yes.
That's precisely how Kirstama feels.
He literally said after the United Kingdom rally that he thinks identity is going to be the conversation for the next election.
And they're on the wrong side of it, basically.
Back to the word of racism or racist.
People just don't care if you call them.
If you're called a racist, no one really cares.
It's sort of like, you know, debate me on my argument.
Don't just put a label on me and trying to silence me.
So I think, as you said, previously labeling someone as a fascist or a Nazi worked.
And now it doesn't work.
They're actually terrified.
Yeah.
Because all they have is semantics and ad hominem attacks.
That's all they have.
But also, like I said with the boy who cried wolf, if you can include the spectator and the telegraph in a report with neo-Nazi terrorists and Anders Breivik, I think that's maybe not the most useful term, actually.
Anyway, we'll leave that there.
Sigilstone says, congratulations to Samson for his honorable illusion in this year awards.
Yes, the producer Samson.
Well done.
Well done.
Amelia didn't make best animation because I think they're not as in touch as you think.
And Binary says, regarding all the allegations of being far right, it's call to action for others to do you harm.
It's financial, legal, social and physical violence target lists.
Yeah, all of these things is, they are literally like flares that they put on people.
Say, look, you should be, you know, Ofcom should go after you.
That person should be deplatformed.
But thankfully, the thing is just too big and it's not working.
So anyway, let's move on.
All right.
Let's talk about the transformation of reform into the beauty party, really.
And let's start with their latest defector, a counselor from Labour who has now joined reform.
Diversity And Citizenship00:06:29
And the first thing that he said to convince the British voters that he is genuine is how much he loves immigration.
And let's sort of listen to him for just one second, please.
Yeah, I know, but we should all suffer.
Basically, anybody who is lawfully here who is a British citizen is a British citizen.
A British citizen is not determined.
Britain's citizenship is not determined by the colour of the skin or the name they use to worship God.
Anybody now, technically.
I'm not a racist.
Exactly.
Technically, British citizenship has become a random piece of paper given to anybody.
I have one of those.
I don't consider myself British because I don't have British ancestry.
And I think that actually being British does come from ancestry.
Just as being Lebanese means that you must have Lebanese parents.
That's why the Palestinians have been in Lebanon for almost 100 years now.
Nobody thinks that they're Lebanese.
It is how the world operates.
But it's literally how the old world operates completely.
As in, if you were born elsewhere, but you have ancestry by the blood, then, for example, in Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, literally anywhere in Europe, every country in the old world does it through ancestry.
Yes.
So if you're born elsewhere, you can just get citizenship there because you are ancestrally from there.
These are American-brained claims, correct?
It's correct.
These are Americanisms that don't actually apply to the rest of the world legally.
Don't apply.
Exactly.
And I mean, I mentioned previously on another show, in Egypt, you must have ancestry in Egypt before 1914.
Just to clarify.
Just to clarify.
That's how it works.
In India, it's from the 1970s onwards to the 1991.
In Pakistan, same thing.
Ancestry is what governs it.
So let's just sort of be honest about this and move on, frankly.
And also, just a quick thing there.
The British government gives just citizenship out to 250,000 people a year.
Yes.
That's not including other visas of long-term stay.
Actual citizenship.
They just hand it out a quarter of a million a year against our will.
No one wants that.
Well, I think on average every day, it's 739 citizenships every single day.
And the top three are obviously India, Nigeria, and Pakistan.
And if you find yourself in an Indian or Pakistani or Nigerian enclave, which is how people tend to operate, they go and live with people who are like them.
Just as expatriates, European expatriates in Africa will end up in parts of African cities that are predominantly Europeanized.
Spain is a great example.
Spain is a great example.
That means that you get a parallel community that has paperwork, but isn't actually part of the family that is the nation, because the nation is a family of families, and that's how it works.
And this is sort of harking to what to what's his name?
To Danny Krueger was saying that somebody who is Afghan can be an heir to Alfred the Great.
Now, think about this for a second.
If you grow up in an Afghan enclave speaking Pashtun with all of your relatives around you speaking the same language, you are in a parallel society.
You're not actually joining the nation as a member of the family, even as an adoptive member of the family, which is the civic nationalist claim.
So even on the broadest civic nationalist agenda, you actually have to join the family to be part of the nation.
Yes.
I mean, I could accept it if it's, you know, someone who moved 30 years ago and had lived in that community for 30 years, running their Indian restaurant or something, and their kids married some local English kids from the community.
You'd be like, yeah, okay, fine.
That's totally fine.
But what you're describing is what's actually happening in these areas, and it's not what I'm describing.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So this kind of wetness is getting a bit tired.
And please don't be afraid of hope, not hate.
They can call you anything they want.
It doesn't really affect you very much.
It doesn't take much of your time.
Look at him.
Look how afraid he is.
He looks terrified.
He looks terrified.
He's like, look, I'm not racist.
I'm not racist.
I'm not racist.
I totally believe in the birthright citizenship of the propositional nation, even though we're Britain and not America.
Which kind of implies why he's moving.
He's switching parties because he thinks the Labour Party is going to get absolutely hammered.
His entire career is politics.
So he wants to be on the winning side.
And this is exactly why Lib Dems joined the Conservative Party, because that was the fastest pathway to power.
And so it is very transparent.
We see through it.
I'm just saying, as an outsider, I see what's happening.
That's all.
The rest of this clip is quite good, actually.
Okay, let's go for it.
Everybody who is here legally is a British citizen and entitled to the full support of the British state.
Now, I actually am fairly sympathetic towards refugees, towards refugees, not to people who are seeking a better life at the expense of people in Britain.
That's a separate matter.
But no, I would like people to be part of one country, one community.
I delight.
They're not being part of one community.
Now what?
I mean, this is like now that we know that they're not.
Now what?
The definition of multiculturalism is literally not to be part of the same community.
Right.
In the different colours in here, the different colours of people, the different cuisines, the different clothing colours.
That is.
Thanks, Queers Morgan.
I want to stop here because diversity.
I love Indian curry.
I love going.
Diversity isn't about colour or food or clothing.
Diversity means that you have different identities and different value systems.
You have different conceptions of who the us is and different conceptions of what is good.
That's what diversity means.
It's a recipe for conflict.
Diversity's Conflict Recipe00:12:45
That's what it is.
Trust me, I'm Lebanese.
It's a recipe for conflict.
And it can only be governed well if you have the iron fist that is exercised in Singapore or the UAE.
It doesn't work in a democratic system.
You can have democracy, you can have diversity.
If you have both, you end up like modern Iraq or modern Lebanon.
It's a stupid idea.
Just sort of food.
He delights in the different colours of people.
I don't want to say something nasty.
I'm trying to be nice, but I'm just going to sort of move on from that.
So that's who the guy is, and that's the extent of it.
Then we get Nigel Farage saying that they're not going to really change very much.
Let's sort of listen to this.
Let's listen to this.
A couple more.
Eddie Hodges, New Culture Forum.
That's how I work.
Thank you.
Nigel, how do you respond to critics who say that by bringing in former Conservative figures and Labour figures as well, you risk losing your identity as an anti-establishment party and do you even want to be known as an anti-establishment party anymore?
And so, Robin, you mentioned what you call indoctrination in schools.
How exactly would you deal with this?
When in reality, you can't really police what teachers say in the classroom.
Thank you.
We are anti-establishment in that we think they've led us into a terrible direction and they're not able to face up the consequences of what they've done.
Hence, Kemi, Keir, Britain isn't broken.
It jolly well is.
We know it, and most of the public do.
But being anti-establishment doesn't mean you're just grenade chuckers for the sake of it.
You know, we're not standing in these elections to say, come on, let's stick two fingers up.
We're standing in these elections to tramble and win.
And when you win, there comes without a responsibility.
I'll be honest with you, I wouldn't have the first clue how to deal with social services and budgets in the London borough of Newham.
I wouldn't have a clue.
These guys do.
And I think that is of enormous value to our party.
So the whole claim is that the people who have run things to the ground should be in charge.
Well, they've got experience of running things into the ground.
That is fundamentally the argument.
And the argument is that you should continue to have massive spending on social services and you should continue to have an anni-state that interferes in everything because otherwise people might do what they actually want to do.
But also, the whole thing is rather self-defeating anyway, right?
As in, okay, well, where did he do his apprentice on how to learn how to run the social services in Newham?
Oh, he didn't do an apprenticeship in that.
He just got elected and then just got on with the job.
Exactly.
Like every person who is ever elected to any position, you are first elected, you do the job, you learn the job, and if you're good at it, you succeed.
And if you're not, you fail.
So it's like this is just how politics works.
I think my issue is when Nigel said, oh, I can't win, can I?
As in he's saying, oh, so now you don't want conservative MPs joining, but now you don't want Labour.
I can't win.
That's the bit that really got me.
It's like, no, Nigel, we don't want Conservatives or Labour.
Your response of, oh, I can't win.
How about this?
You just don't bring any of them in.
And they're supposed to be anti-establishment and something new.
You are literally reconstituting the establishment.
Yes.
I mean, if you think about it, when the five original MPs, including James McMurdo and, of course, Rupert Lowe, when they joined as reform, they were new MPs.
And now he's just got rid of, obviously, Rupert and James.
And now he's brought in Jemrick and Kruger and Rossindale and Braverman.
So, yeah, I have no more words.
Notice that.
The most inexperienced of the MPs is Rupert Lowe, because he hasn't been in politics.
And he's proven to be an excellent MP.
He was an MEP for the Brexit Party.
Right.
So he has some experience.
But again, I mean, so what?
But, I mean, it's a different system entirely.
It is, yes.
And it's a completely different set of operating principles.
And so he turned out to be both an excellent constituency MP, but also became kind of an expert on how to get information out of various government departments and make them admit to their wrongdoing and hold them to account.
So the lack of experience here in the Westminster system didn't turn out to be quite as much of a hindrance because the man is obviously talented and capable.
And so what you want to think about is talent and capability, not a record of failure in a failing public service.
Also, you just can't have a valid claim to being anti-establishment if you are literally bringing in the architects of the problem on one side and the architects of the problem on the other side and saying, right, I have a new party.
No, this is not a new party.
Also, sorry, I should mention, of course, of the five, Lee Anderson was a former Tory, but that's not a problem.
He was also formerly Labour.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, the difference of Lee Anderson is he actually won the 2024 general election as a reform candidate.
Whereas I feel the others, you know, they won as a conservative and then they moved when they felt, okay, safest option.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So these are clearly, a lot of these are obviously careerist moves, fundamentally.
And then he says that, you know, we're not going to do anything about abortion.
We're not going to do anything that is.
Can we watch this?
I saw this clip and I was just like, this is amazing.
Just wanted to ask about some comments that Danny Kruger made to the House magazine recently.
In an interview with our magazine, he said that reform could have a limited but important role in undoing elements of the sexual revolution.
I think he was specifically talking about pro-natalist policy.
But, I mean, you know, other elements of the sexual revolution include abortion rights, contraception, LGBT rights.
Can we expect any rolling back of any of these areas under a reform government?
No.
It's funny, but not for the reason he thinks.
Exactly.
Like, good God.
No, I'm completely committed to the Blairite maximal freedoms and number of abortions per year that we get.
I mean, remember, transgenderism was introduced to Britain because there was an ECHR ruling about a bus driver who wanted to retire at the female age of 60.
Smart.
And the authorities refused to grant him that.
And so he sued and he won his case at the ECHR.
And within a year, Labour had passed gender recognition certificates within a year.
But wasn't the joke on him because didn't they extend the retirement age for women to 65?
Because that's what the WASPI women are complaining about, right?
Right.
They've lost out on a bunch of pension money because they have to retire from the US.
He's dead now.
But that was the whole story.
Origins.
That was the origin story of how it happened.
So the idea that you can't roll that back, at least.
The ECHR has said.
I mean, Blair passed civil unions for homosexuals, and then it was Cameron that made it civil marriage.
The idea that you can't roll that back, throw anything to conservative Christians.
But you'll notice that France has got absolutely no interest in actually changing anything.
Sorry, can we just watch the rest of this?
Because it's interesting.
Freedom of the individual, you know, on issues like abortion.
I don't think these things should ever be party political issues.
It should be issues of conscience.
Danny is, you know, somebody of a very deep Christian faith.
Nothing wrong with that.
And he believes in what he believes in very strongly.
But that doesn't mean it's party policy.
It doesn't mean we'd implement it directly.
This is just like when, what's his name?
But no, no, think about that.
He's a Christian, but there's nothing wrong with that.
The joke used to be, if you go back 20 years, he's gay, but there's nothing wrong with that.
Exactly.
But now, being Christian has got the same sort of stigma as being gay did 30 years ago.
Yes.
And that's the thing.
And Nigel has just come out and said, I'm not a conservative.
No.
I am for the current feminist paradigm of unlimited abortions, maximal personal freedom.
I've got absolutely nothing in me that thinks, oh, actually, I mean, because, for example, on the topic of abortion, there is a structural problem with abortion, right?
We are aborting 250,000 plus people a year, and the birth rate is down by a third.
And that's literally a third of the births.
We have about 660,000 births a year.
And if you add that all up, it gets to about a 2.1 replacement rate.
And so this is a structural civilizational issue, right?
250,000 babies are murdered before they get the chance at life.
And Farage is just like, I have not a single thought on this.
And so what's he done here?
He's shown, I know, I'm committed to complete blairism, but also I'm openly counter-signaling one of the Tory defectors who is clearly too right-wing for me.
He is far too right-wing for me.
I'm bringing the labor guys.
What are you talking about?
What's he doing here?
Yeah, there was a reason they were in opposite parties to begin with, Nigel.
Exactly.
Like, this is really stupid, man.
Like, you look terrible.
Kruger must have been seething over this.
I mean, I couldn't be any part of anything that says abortion is good.
That's just sort of.
Even then, just to be like, oh, this isn't a party political issue.
No, then why did Labour crank it up so much?
Exactly.
Why were they so excited about it?
If it's not a party.
Why didn't they introduce abortion until birth if that wasn't?
And this was such a new thing.
I mean, I remember the argument being abortion being safe and rare.
The Hillary Clinton argument.
Exactly.
90s, yeah.
But no, not anymore now.
And then you have the other stuff.
For the sake of time, we're going to have to go through this fairly quickly.
Okay, so we have Robert Jenrick asking George Osborne to approve his economic policies.
Jenrick says that he sent that to 40 people, and Osborne is one of them.
If you support Osborne's economics and you want his approval, that's the problem.
Yes.
Let alone not getting rid of the OBR.
Exactly.
Let alone not getting rid of the OBR, which is David Cameron or Gordon.
Maintaining the independence of the Bank of England.
Etc., etc.
Annie Blair.
All of this stuff.
All of this stuff.
But then you get some of the sordid stuff where Jenrick, when he was housing minister, ended up going over the heads of the Tower Hamlets Council.
Now, given that it's Tower Hamlets, screw them, you know.
But he did go over their heads to make sure that one of his billionaire friends could get his own development approved and not have to pay £45 million in tax on a £1 billion development.
It's really interesting because I bet a £1 billion development gets a lot of social housing in it.
Well, the issue was that he didn't have enough social housing.
And that exception was given to Richard Desmond, who, among other stops in his long and storied career, works as a pornographer.
And anybody who is associated with billionaire pornographers, you shouldn't be friends with them.
I understand Christ breaking bread with the tax collectors and all of that.
It's a different context.
If you're helping them cheat the tax system, that's different.
And he accepted that it was illegal and had to back down and apologize, but only because he got caught.
Oh, yeah.
Jemrick accepted that the project was unlawful.
Yes.
Okay.
Well, there we go.
So, but only because he got caught.
And he tried to save him a billion pounds.
And this particular, sorry, 45 million pounds.
And this particular Richard Desmond is in the middle of suing the national lottery because he lost a bid to get their contract for distributing lottery tickets.
And he's trying to claim a, I think, a billion pounds from them.
Jesus.
But somehow, this guy, the ex-pornographer, had government lawyers release to his lawyers their entire legal case.
Jemrick's Unprecedented Blunder00:05:43
It's an unprecedented blunder.
That's what they call it.
They say that it's an unprecedented blunder.
How did that email get sent to you?
That was such a...
With 4,000 documents, meaning that it wasn't one email.
And people like that are shady, as are all pornographers.
This is business as usual.
And this is business as usual catering to the rich.
And this is to sort of, you know, not to mention Nadeem Zahawi and his involvement with the Kurds.
And what a weird choice.
Yeah, I think this really affected Nigel's popularity.
It really showed.
Exactly.
It really showed that this guy is, you know, this is the establishment.
This is a connection to, I mean, this is an article casting shade on Zahawi on the UAE when they were angry with him.
Sure.
But he's sort of close to them, and that's his claim to fame.
And having seen the role of the UAE in the Epstein files, I'm not comfortable with it, really.
And then you get the foreign policy bits.
And you get Alan Mendoza, husband of the JLC chief, whatever Mendoza.
But look in there with bloody Ian Duncan Smith and whatnot.
Yeah.
Again, this is just the old Tory establishment.
Exactly, exactly.
And this guy essentially, he is the neocon of the neocons.
He runs the Henry Jackson Society.
And if you look at the website of the Henry Jackson Society and what they're advocating for the Middle East, they're defending everything Israel is doing in Gaza.
They are saying that we should get rid of Iran.
He went as far as to advocate for regime change in Pakistan, for God's sake.
Well, let's hear him out.
He wanted democracy in Pakistan.
Oh, right.
Okay, yeah, fair enough.
I mean, if a great survey poll of what Pakistanis think about Sharia law, firstly, you'd shut down all immigration from Pakistan.
Secondly, you'd realize that democracy in Pakistan is a bad idea.
It's just a fiction.
And he was in favor of the West staying in Afghanistan because he said that, no, no, no, it wasn't a big commitment.
We should stay in Afghanistan, keep it stable.
Weirdly, it seems quite stable under the Taliban.
Oddly enough.
Whereas Alan Mendoza, who is now the main foreign policy advisor to Nigel Farage, and he is a died-in-the-wool neocon, he thinks, no, no, no, stay in Afghanistan.
If this isn't reconstituting the uni party, I don't know what is.
Yeah.
I mean, what else would there need to be?
And then you have Zia Yousaf and what his own employees say about him.
That basically abrupt, horrible, inappropriate behavior, all kinds of things.
This is what his employees have been saying for quite a while.
Exactly.
But let's take a moment and see what Zia Yousaf thought about Robert Jenrick.
I know this was just one month before Jenrik defected.
Presumably, while he would have been in talks about defecting.
Well, I mean, he got kind of shafted in the conservatives, didn't he?
So it was a bit of a surprise to everyone, it seemed.
So I don't know if they were in talks.
I'd be surprised if they actually were.
Maybe.
Maybe.
But he's blaming Jenrik for the super injunction on the Afghan settlement scheme.
Correct.
Correct.
He is pointing out that both Jenrik and Suella Braverman, because of what they knew and because of parliamentary privilege, could have said this is what's happening with the Afghan resettlement scheme and it's a bad idea.
But didn't Jenrik get the injunction?
He did.
Why would he do that?
Well, clearly, Zia is pointing out that Robert Jenrik is a liar about this whole stuff.
He goes on about how, you know, they were completely bankrupt.
And then he says he blames Jenrik as immigration minister for getting in Ala Abdel Fattah.
He's correct about all of this.
Exactly.
But more importantly, no.
Well, yeah, that was Nadine Doris, wasn't it?
Was the Dean Doris, but more importantly, he says that Jenrick was all the time saying to the Tory Wets that he is pretending to be right wing in order to then reach government and pivot to the center.
That was the accusation by Zia, and he was saying that he was plotting this ploy with George Osborne and David Cameron.
And this is on Zia's Twitter feed.
You can imagine how comfortable it must be in the Reform Party meetings.
And then now you have Robert Jenrick confirming that he's working with George Osborne because he's sending him his economic policy.
So what Nigel has done is really rebuilt the uniparty.
But also, it can't last.
And it's in its worst elements.
Not only can it's the worst elements of it.
It's the corruption.
It's the arrogance.
It's the neoconservatism.
It's the extreme liberalism, which comes directly from Farish himself.
And it's counter-signaling anybody who disagrees.
When Matt Goodwin sort of said something slightly based, David Bull came and slapped him down.
Halal Slaughter Controversy00:15:58
Instantly.
The complete opposite.
After the election.
Exactly.
Literally, you've just lost, but I'm going to rub it in your face by literally countersigning you in the exact opposite.
No, being British isn't about your heritage.
It's just about this piece of paper.
It's like, okay.
So what are you doing?
How can this coalition last?
That's the question.
And I just don't think it can.
And how can you convince voters that you're not the uniparty?
Yeah, we're not the establishment.
We just have all of the people from the establishment standing by me.
Exactly.
Just a different shade of blue, you know, turquoise.
Anyway, for the sake of time, we're going to have to move on.
But right, let's talk about how non-stun slaughter is actually atrocious.
So did you write a piece on this recently?
I did.
Published 3rd of March, yes.
A couple of days ago.
So, yeah, it's not just non-stun slaughter.
It's all religious slaughter in the UK, including what they would class as stun.
So we have, obviously, halal and kosher.
So just to talk about kosher first, because that's a smaller topic than halal.
So kosher, there is zero stunning involved, which means that the animal is killed quite brutally with a knife, left to bleed to death without, well, fully conscious, essentially, so is left to suffer.
Now, the issue I have with kosher is that a lot of the Jewish community will say that kosher is only consumed by the Jews.
But there is a thing called the, if we scroll down, it's called the hind end.
Let's just go down a little bit more.
But basically, part of the Jewish food, the kosher food that is there, stop, sorry.
Yep.
So the hind quarters, the rear ends of kosher meat.
Oh, thank you.
It actually goes into the main meat industry.
So while they say, oh, kosher doesn't isn't sold beyond us, it actually is it gets sold into the traditional market.
But I do accept that this- This happens with halal as well, doesn't it?
Oh, well, halal is a whole other whole other ball game.
Yeah, so kosher is typically remain quite small and typically consumed just by the Jewish community.
But the issue I have, so if we go up to our legislation, so the slaughter of the animals act of 1933 states that animals should be stunned and insensible to pain, and that's why animals, this traditional British method, is that they are completely unconscious at the time of death, so that they don't experience any pain.
However, however, there are two religious exemptions.
If we look here, there is one that says, you know, buy the Jewish method for the food of Jews and buy a Jew.
And the same for the Mohammedans.
And the key part here is where it says, and for the food of Mohammedans.
So essentially, this religious exemption is only for the food of Mohammedans.
Essentially, we're not allowed to eat it.
Exactly.
So legally, it's actually, you could interpret that to say legally, only Muslims can eat halal.
And anyone who's not Muslim, it's illegal because it bypasses that religious exemption.
So if I go and get a kebab, I'm breaking the law.
Yes.
But the issue is this law isn't enforced and it's not observed.
So one major issue I have is that 72 to 80% of all lamb in the UK is halal slaughtered.
So and 20 to 30% of all chicken is also halal.
Yet they claim that the Muslim population is only 6.5% when we know it's a lot more than that.
But there's no way that it justifies 72% to 80% of all sheep being slaughtered in the halal method.
So number one is this idea of what I call the silent Islamification of the British meat industry.
It's happened covertly without anyone's knowledge.
And the reason that it's without knowledge is because there's a lack of labelling.
So yes, supermarkets do have a section that will say halal, but other meat will also be halal or related to a halal slaughterhouse or processing facility.
And the only way you can sort of tell is there's a four-digit code on the meat packaging which will say GB, for example, GB6057.
And you can Google that and see if it comes from a halal facility.
But without doing that, you wouldn't know if it's halal or not.
So there's been cases even with Waitrose Organic Duchy Range, which is which is halal certified.
Because I'm sure that's exactly what the libdams who vote who buy from Waitrose want.
Yeah.
Sorry, I want to interrupt you here for a second.
To get halal certification, you need to pay one of these various religious bodies.
And that ends up financing the mosques, the extremist religious scholars, perhaps elements of the Muslim Brotherhood, various extremely conservative Muslims who are fundamentally at odds with everything that the West stands for and are at odds with Christianity and Christendom.
They are the ones who get paid in order to certify that the meat has been properly slaughtered in an Islamic way.
So to get that certification, you have to pay these bodies that say this is indeed halal because you're not allowed to just say that it is.
It has to be certified and perhaps inspected.
And so part of doing that is financing these extreme bodies.
When you tolerate halal in slaughter, you also finance these bodies.
Yeah, I know that that's awful.
And I've got so this part wasn't actually published in my article, but essentially the issue with halal is that it is rooted in Sharia law derived from the Quran.
And the animal at the time of slaughter has to have its head facing in the direction of Mecca.
And the slaughterman, who will have to be a Muslim, he says, Bismillah alawah kaba.
So essentially, people, British people, are eating this meat, which is Sharia law from the Quran, Mecca, blah, blah, blah.
And they have no idea that they're eating it.
So aside from the atrocious animal welfare abuse, they're eating religiously sorted meat in the name of Allah.
So even if you are a Christian atheist or other religion, why would you want to be eating a religiously sorted meat, sorted meat for Allah?
Question.
There's a couple of things here.
Firstly, if you want to pray before you kill an animal, do it.
But do it in the most humane way.
Do the killing itself in the most humane way possible.
Fair enough.
You should be grateful for what you're provided for, including meat.
But secondly, it means that everybody who's employed at a slaughterhouse has to be a Muslim.
And that becomes a source of patronage.
Yes.
And that becomes a source of nepotism that then encourages people to get acclimatized to this sort of brutal slaughter.
And they end up potentially doing other things.
And also, if you're on the left, this is a function of capitalism.
Because if you're the capitalist, you're like, well, look, if some need halal and some need extra strange interventions, why don't we just do them all in halal and then just sell them?
Who cares?
That's what's happening.
And that's what happens.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
So if we look at this example, so in public institutions, often halal meat is the only meat that's served.
So Rupert Lowe did some convenience.
Yes, just for convenience.
So Rupert Lowe found that in a hospital in Great Yarmouth, his constituency, they were only serving halal meat.
And there's another school, there's a school in Reading called the St. John, St. John's Church of England Primary School in Reading, which was only serving halal meat.
And this is literally a Church of England school only serving halal meat to children.
And the parents were completely unaware.
The students, of course, didn't know until an investigation was done.
And these are just two examples, but it's happening up and down the country, which is why I call it the silent Islamification of the British meat industry.
And as you say, it's for convenience rather than having halal meat, traditional meat, et cetera, et cetera.
But why should we pander to these religious exemptions when it's an imported religion anyway?
And why should low-skilled jobs at slaughterhouses be going to migrants?
Yeah.
I mean, here's another route for immigration, wanted skilled slaughterer.
Also, I kind of hate the metaphysical aspect of it as well, because, like you say, if you're a Muslim and you hear, oh, well, basically, you know, all the meat in Britain is halal meat, apart from pork, then why wouldn't I consider that to be an Islamic country?
Yes.
Why wouldn't I consider that to be the case?
It's an agitation, right?
And as you say, does the average Liberal Democrat who thinks themselves a good person, do they know that they are consuming meat that has been butchered in the most barbarous ways?
Yes.
And not following the standards that you think you're following.
Exactly.
There's a deception that underpins it all as well.
So this is awful.
I mean, as I've written here, when the animals are left to bleed to death, it can last, well, between 20 seconds to two minutes, but for larger animals, it can take longer.
And many countries across Europe have already banned non-sun slaughter, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, etc.
And I write that Britain is late to the club because this is a completely ethical issue and a very moral issue that, you know, currently we have over 30 million animals every year that are slaughtered without any stunning.
So how can a Lib Dem or anyone support that?
Because it should just be against the people.
It's hypocritical, right?
It's completely hypocritical.
I'll tell you a story.
When Syrian quote-unquote refugees began arriving in Germany, they initially were a bit surprised.
Where are we now?
Okay, new environment.
Then the first thing was they got organized and they said to the people hosting them in a camp at the time, we want halal meat.
And the Germans tripped all over themselves trying to make sure that they could provide for them halal meat.
But then they knew that the Germans were soft and they knew that they could keep on asking for things and escalating their demands and asking for more and more.
And it is used often as a test of your own commitment and your own firmness and your own ability to say no.
And it is psychological manipulation because if you don't concede this point, you're going to be accused of being Islamophobic.
But if you do concede, it is revealed to them that you're weak.
So they manipulate this thing very effectively.
And if a school says yes, we will give you halal meat.
They will know that they can ask anything else they want from the school or a hospital or a government body or so on and so forth.
So it becomes a pass for them to blackmail you on anything and demand anything.
First halal meat, then prayer rooms, then special treatment, then holidays, then next thing you know, the country is fully Islamified.
And moreover, why would you say no at any point since you've given a yes at every point so far?
Exactly.
What's the argument?
Exactly.
You know, I've seen a bunch of videos of Muslims going into weather spoons and asking them, is anything on the menu halal?
And they're like, no.
Yeah, what do they say?
Pork sausages might be, I don't know.
It's sort of like, you know, we always, there's this thing that we often say, which is there are over 50 Muslim countries.
So if they want to have, you know, their food, their way, their culture, they are welcome to leave and go and live in those countries.
They shouldn't.
Why would you come to a country and try to fundamentally change it?
Because this country has a £350 billion a year welfare state.
There you go.
That's the reason.
So that's the answer.
For Christ's sake.
But also because they believe that them conquering you is good for you.
They believe that you being made to submit to Allah is good for you.
But even those ones who are not actively religious, it doesn't matter.
They're just like, well, you're going to give me money.
And if you concede to all of these demands and I get all of your free money, why wouldn't I do that?
The incentive.
I mean, our welfare budget is like twice the size of Tunisia's economy.
So it's just, what do we expect?
I just want to clear up some misinformation around halal meat because this one is.
Okay.
This makes me very angry.
So a lot of people will say, oh, but 88% of all halal meat is stunned, so it's okay.
It's like, actually, no, the definition of their stunning is not the definition of our stunning.
Really?
Yeah.
So typical.
So halal meat, it's their form of stunning is called reversible stunning, which means that the animal must be able to regain consciousness.
So whereas traditional British meat, the animal has like a bolt to the head.
It's unconscious, and that's it.
The halal meat, the animals can regain consciousness.
And it's all to do with the fact that when the animal is killed in the name of Allah, it has to be conscious at the time it's killed so that it's sanctified.
And essentially, so this is what I've written here.
A low voltage electrical current which causes an epileptic seizure, reversible stunning.
So it's actually not fully unconscious, obviously, because it has to be awake for the name of Allah.
It's been electrocuted, but that doesn't mean it sounds like it.
So that's what's really important.
If there's one thing I want people to understand, is when they say to you, oh, but 88% of halal meat is stunned, it's actually not.
It's a lie.
Let me help you with that analogy.
If you taser someone, that is stunned, but they'll still feel it if you break every bone in their body or cut their throat.
Yeah.
So the animal still feels that it's been, that it's had its head cut and it's being left to bleed.
Yeah, so.
And the requirement is for it to bleed fully, meaning that the heart must be pumping, meaning that it must be alive and able to feel.
So 88% is stunned is a complete lie.
It's a complete lie.
The animal is probably feeling the pain in most cases.
Because, I mean, what we're saying is unconscious.
And the use of the word stun, okay, it's got multiple meanings.
And they're using a, well, it can't physically move at this moment.
It's like, yeah, but that doesn't mean it's unconscious and that doesn't mean it doesn't feel pain.
Exactly.
It didn't have a bolt to the brain, for example.
But anyway.
Yeah.
So the issue with halal is, so number one, as we've discussed, is the legal issue.
It's actually illegal to eat it if you interpret the law as it was initially written.
Number two, we have this silent Islamification of the British meat industry.
And when this law was written in 1933, the Muslim population was around 10,000 people.
And now it's officially, as of 2021, it was 3.9 million Muslims in this country.
But of course, over the last five years, we know that it's grown a lot.
And the top five illegal migrant, the illegal migrants, they come from the top five countries that are all Muslim countries.
So we've got mass migration legally and illegally from Muslim countries contributing to this.
So yeah, we've got the legal issue, then we've got the animal welfare issue.
We also have this lack of consent because consumers are eating it without their knowledge, without their consent.
There's not enough labelling.
And so I'm actually quite pleased that Esther McVeigh launched a bill on the 24th of February to introduce compulsory labelling of halal and kosher.
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And as I've argued in the top paragraph, this is likely as far as we will go under a Labour government.
don't think they will ban it but as long as it's fully labeled and i mean everything even if there is a ready make a choice Yeah, then you can make a choice.
And then, of course, if Rupert Lowe and Restore Britain come in, they would ban it.
But the main thing is also banning imports, because why would we just offshore a barbaric practice and then allow it to be imported in?
It should be.
They'd make arguments about it being punitive rather than actually based in animal welfare then because those animals are still being killed overseas.
So unless you're going to go over there and stop them killing those animals, then you consent to it anyway, right?
So the fact that you prevent imports, they'd say, well, that's now a punitive way of targeting the Muslim and Jewish communities rather than actually being focused on animal welfare.
So that would be the argument that they'll make.
And honestly, it will be persuasive to some people.
So I personally wouldn't worry about the import question because, you know, those animals are probably getting slaughtered anyway.
But just to have the dominion of the British Isles say there won't be that here, I think that's probably going to be incentive enough.
Yeah.
I think also focusing on the fact that you're funding extremists by tolerating halal slaughter and that you are creating a patronage network for Muslims by allowing halal slaughter are actually strong arguments that you're basically saying to people, we're going to pay for your replacement and we're going to finance the extremists and you're going to pay for the privilege of eating the meat they provide you with.
Exactly.
And you're going to eat it.
So under a deception.
You don't know what that is.
It's literally religiously sanctified.
I mean, you know, if you're not a Muslim, if you're a Christian, you're opposed to Islam and you're also opposed to animal suffering.
This is metaphysically corrupted meat.
Yes.
That is like you are bringing into your body an evil.
That's what you have to know that you're doing.
I mean, I don't want to eat things I think are like created through evil, which is why I'm having pork this Sunday.
Yeah.
I often, I do think it is evil.
I love pork anyway, but I do think it is evil.
I genuinely do.
I think it is.
And the way, if we go down here, so the other issue is not just that it's insanely cruel and barbaric, but the actual slaughterhouses, 53% of all non-stun slaughterhouses failed inspections.
68% have major hygiene issues.
And we've seen on CCTV cameras, the staff members, who of course are all Muslims in the halal abattoirs, are severely abusing the animals.
I've given a couple of examples, but as we were discussing before, they might play noise of wolf sounds.
Yeah, to scare the sheep.
Yeah, and they have been seen kicking the animals and taunting them.
And we just don't stand for that in this country.
So why would you, even if it wasn't religious, it's the way that they treat the animals and the hygiene issues.
Yeah.
There are so many practical issues, then there are moral issues.
And, you know, it just doesn't stop, does it?
And even if you hunt, you want to kill the animal as quickly as you can.
Yeah.
And the whole argument that, no, it must be left to bleed to death, like, that's just a stupid argument.
Yeah, why?
Exactly.
An arbitrary dictate from the seventh century.
Yeah, it's obscene.
It's obscene.
The thing is, I think the main, I think you hit the point really well.
It's that we keep bending over and saying yes, yes, yes, and they will keep pushing us.
Oh, sorry.
And so, you know, we have to say no.
And I think that's what Rupert Lowe is saying with Restore Britain.
It's like, no, this is our country.
Create a hostile environment.
That's what it is, just to create a hostile environment.
You will not get any compromises.
You will not get any exceptions.
The law is the law.
You can obey it or you can leave.
It is that simple.
Correct.
But I think the main first step is to sort of support this labelling.
And as you say, at least they get a choice as to what you're eating.
And then hopefully we can push a bit further.
But I think, yeah, on the moral ground of this is just, it's just inexcusable.
And as I say, all these countries listed here have already banned non-stun slaughter.
So why haven't we?
On the plus side, if you're watching and thinking, okay, what can I do now?
Well, A, you can eat pork, which you know isn't halal, but also beef tends not to be because they're not a big not tend to be beef eaters in the deserts because deserts don't really support cows very well.
So most of your British-born and Irish-born beef and pork will be fine.
I think also it's sort of doing what Rupert did, which was going to a public institution like a hospital or a school and saying, you know, what are you serving me?
Yeah.
And then you can start to call for action there.
I think we all have a part to play.
Of course, we are failed by our government, failed by our authorities, because as we know, legally, they're not allowed to be serving it to us.
So yeah, it's taking action on an individual level as well.
Also, another great thing to do on an individual level is go to your local farm shop.
My wife actually went to a local farm shop, cost the earth, but my God was a good.
And I know that wasn't halal slaughtered.
So there's that too.
Right, let's go through a bunch of comments.
Sorry, can I have a messmate?
A bunch of comments because there's loads of people have got a lot to say on all of this.
What's the official statement from Peter UK on this?
As in PETA, the Protection of Animals Organization.
What have they said about any of this?
Well, I don't know about PETA, but I know that the RSPCA fully support a ban.
I saw that.
That's good.
It's recently released a petition.
The RSPCA support both labelling and a ban on non-stun slaughter.
But this is my issue.
And I will continue to highlight this.
We cannot just say non-stun because they will say, oh, but the 80% is fine.
It's like, no.
Non-stun slaughter.
All religiously.
Ball through the head.
No other way of doing it.
Yes.
Peter are actually against ritual slaughter, as they call it.
But of course, Peter are against any kind of slaughter.
So they'll just say, well, then that means you can't ever eat meat.
So they are actually against it.
They do have an article on Peter UK's website.
So, okay, well done, Peter, and well done to the Royal Society.
I actually thought they were going to be politically correct and be wimpy about it.
But again, as we said, being politically correct, you should support the animals.
That's the moral.
Well, that's the question, isn't it?
Is it Islam or is it animal welfare?
Which one is the most important?
And it's interesting how they actually arrived on the right side of that issue.
Yeah, and why should animals be sacrificed at the altar of multiculturalism, as we say all the time, with women and rapes or animals and slaughter?
No, it just all needs to stop.
Logan says, I found a book about the 16th century British warship, and the animals were treated better than the crew, and they had a mallet just for the job.
Burn Apple Tea Party says, our Niger is so scared by the Dulwich College allegations.
He's now spending all of his time trying to prove he's part of the lib consensus.
Yeah, I don't, I mean, that was the most pathetic series of events ever.
30 years or no, 50 years ago, Nigel Farage was racist to me.
It's like, you can't get me to vote for him.
There's nothing you can say that's going to get me to vote for him.
We always, oh, sorry, I both love and hate America.
It's so backwards as far as being American.
There are those born here who aren't American, but those who moved here who are American because American is an idea.
Well, that's quite contestable, and I'm not sure I agree with it, to be honest.
I think the Americans have an ethos, but it isn't, which is an appealing ethos to a lot of people, but that doesn't change them.
Anyway, from the website, Anne says regarding the Hope Not Hate article, Carl, you should thank them for the ad, which will do nothing but send more people to load seeders.
You do look very handsome in the photo as well.
Well, thank you very much, Anne.
Alex says, someone have a word with Hope Not Hate about the style of their reports.
Looks like a children's colouring book.
Perhaps they should take some guidance from Islander magazine.
Well, they did mention Islander in there as well, but I guess they didn't order a copy because they didn't know what the inside looked like.
Hector says, not in the top five.
Unsubscribe, Carl.
I don't subscribe for anything less than the best.
I'll do better next year, I promise.
And he points out that, well, the people reading it will be reformed, won't they?
Says Hope Not Hate are vetting their candidates.
Cost says, Swindon Grievance Factory needs to be a membership tier.
That's not a bad idea.
Genuinely funny.
There was a Hope Not Hate article alongside our mutual friend Hatters.
Nothing says journalism like infiltrating and exposing a bunch of politically homeless students.
They truly are the lowest scum.
They are, but it's really a sort of moment that's past its time now, isn't it?
Yeah.
Hope not hate comes out and goes, everyone goes, oh, am I in it?
Exactly.
Rather than, oh no, I'm in it.
Yeah, exactly.
It's the badge of honor.
It's become comedy.
It's just become comedy now.
I think you're doing something right.
Exactly.
If you're not mentioned in it, then...
Because as we were saying earlier, the whole point is we are not extreme.
The current trajectory of this country is extreme.
We just want a return to normality.
And we are just reacting to what the state of the country is.
We are the normal ones.
Exactly.
You imposed something absolutely insane on the people.
And now, oh, wow, they hate it, it turns out.
Okay.
George says, Dankila was recently seething that they didn't make the report this year and you lads did.
Well, sorry, Dank.
Got up your game, bro.
Just saying.
Immy says, hope not hate labelling everything far right is great.
It feels like the death throes of a dying regime and it's happening under labour.
Yeah, it does, doesn't it?
That's exactly what it is.
Yeah, like this.
They sound defeated.
Yes.
Well, I think they sound defeated.
I think just quickly on that point of Labour being defeated, they've essentially lost the Muslim vote to the Green Party and now they're like, oh, panic.
What do we do?
Let's hold Iftar and Ramadan and Westminster Hall.
Yeah, Keir Starmer had an iftar with the Palestinian ambassador yesterday.
And it's not going to win them the Muslim vote back.
You know, Shibana Mahmu is too busy crushing them at the border.
But that's the question, is it?
Like, what is left of the Labour Party coalition at this point?
I guess some trade unions and state workers.
Who's stuck there?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And people who work for the government.
That's it.
And even that can't be homogenous.
Let's see the May elections.
I can't wait to see.
Oh, it's going to be brutal.
It's going to be wipeout for Labour.
And probably for the Tories, too.
I mean, you know, the Union Party consensus is dying, which is why Nigel Farage is jumping on that bandwagon.
The funny thing is that both Labour and the Conservatives are waiting to get rid of their leaders until after they can blame them for the May elections, which is just hilarious cynicism.
Yes.
I love that it's a dead parliament walking as well.
Like, there's literally going to be something like four or five hundred MPs who are going to lose their seats.
Both parties.
And they know it.
Yeah, they know it.
And both party leaders are also slated to lose their seats, as well as the Labour front bench.
It's like, what are you guys still doing here?
Yeah.
It's embarrassing.
Hold on a general elections.
Well, not just yet, but you know, when the time is right.
It's going to be a non-stun slaughter for them, right?
Colleen says, Farage just wanted to be the big guy in the Conservatives.
Well, apparently he wants to be the big guy in Labour as well.
Nicholas says, congratulations to everyone who made it on the list.
Alex says, the problem of citizenship is a symptom of the woeful ineptitude of the media.
You never had to be intelligent to work in the media.
The current cadre in the mainstream merely lived down to what Yuri Besmanov warned.
Citizenship is awarded.
Ethnicity is inherited.
The debate isn't about whether people are British citizens, but the erosion of the English, and to a lesser extent, there's a Scottish, Welsh, and Irish, ethnicity.
Do not be tied up in the malframing of the media.
Stick to core principles.
Well, that was exactly the point you made.
Sophie says, I'd really like to give my sincere thanks to Restore for being outside of the consensus, basically.
Belt says, my mum didn't learn English just for our politicians to start speaking Urdu.
We said this before, but do you know who the last white British politician who could speak Urdu was?
Take a guess.
Radical.
Radical.
Wasn't it Enoch Powell?
Correct.
He's the last British politician who speaks.
Yeah, he had a lot of languages, yeah.
He spoke nine languages.
Child of the Empire, yeah.
I always say of Enoch Powell, you know, if we go back to 1968, he was complaining that around, I think, off the top of my head.
50,000 a year.
Yeah, 50,000 a year were coming.
And it's sort of, you know, well.
I phoned.
Have you seen that?
Iphony was like, 50,000.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, never in his wildest dreams.
1.2 million in a year.
Great.
All from the third world.
Good news.
Last year it was only 850,000.
It's slowly going down.
I know, I know.
This is being lawful.
Well, at least the war in the Middle East is going to bring a lot of British people back.
It's also going to bring a lot of Iranians back with them.
Yeah, they reckon 2.5 million Iranians across Europe.
Great.
Henry says, it's time to paraphrase the quote from the Incredibles again.
If everyone is British, no one will be.
Well, this is a point that they don't seem to understand.
Like, the desirability of British citizenship is dramatically shrinking with the more that they hand it out.
You're a British citizen.
What does that mean?
Well, you can't get an NHS appointment.
There's no social housing.
The roads are packed.
The economy's crap.
You can't get a job.
But you might get some free money from the government.
So you get to live in a tiny box and get 50 quid a week.
Like, great.
It's insane.
Like, I guess they think it's better than where they're coming from, but they should just go and build their own countries rather than.
Well, that's what the remittances are about.
Yeah.
Control The Food Chain00:04:22
White Ryder says, we can roll back whatever we like.
We can just change laws.
We can leave the UN.
There's nothing stopping us unless we're worried about international opinion.
And he doesn't care about international opinion.
Well, that's exactly the point.
Like, the thing about the sovereignty of parliament is, I mean, it's going to be unpleasant for a bunch of people who are making their living out of it, but screw them.
I'm down for rolling back everything, really.
Cumbering Kulak says, the transport time slaughterhouse as well should be minimal.
Need more local setups instead of big super centers appearing.
Control the food chain.
That's really important point.
It is.
Control the food chain, control the people.
It's a great point.
Baron von Moorhawk says, reject all kebabs, reject all curries, reject all kosher and halal restaurants.
Embrace beef Wellington and pork chops.
Thing is, though, that's a great dinner.
I'm going to make beef Wellington soon.
I haven't tried to make it.
I'm going to make it soon.
It's great.
It's not hard either, you know.
I wouldn't know.
Gareth says, surprise Carl was surprised by the stun difference.
Seems even those in the know don't know everything.
Well, I've never looked into it in great depth.
That's the importance as to why we have to bring it.
Yeah, absolutely.
Now, everyone can go and do their research and say, oh, yeah, actually, it's not really stunned.
Yeah, yeah.
No, because I'd never even heard of that, to be honest.
I just assumed it was just not stunned.
Like, everything in the modern world is a play on words, and it's disgusting.
Yeah, yeah.
Colleen says, non-stunned slaughter is literally how we butchered animals hundreds of years ago before we decided animal cruelty was wrong.
Yes.
I mean, is it literally like medieval?
Well, this is the thing.
And the reason why they used to do it was because they didn't have refrigeration.
So, you know, we do have refrigeration now.
You know, we have electricity and things.
One of the commentators was seasons where they used to use a mallet on ships to kill the animals.
Yeah.
So if you're using a mallet in the 16th century, that sort of suggests that actually studying animals is a pretty old practice.
Yeah.
So why wouldn't you do it?
And practically speaking, I've seen animals get slaughtered the Islamic way.
You don't want to see it.
Oh, gosh, I've seen these videos and they give me nightmares.
These videos are horrific.
And I think if you wanted to do an actual public campaign on it, you would have to make everyone watch one of those slaughter videos and then maybe they would then, you know, morally you can find them on Twitter.
They're horrible.
Awful.
Yeah.
It's just genuinely horrible.
Yeah, why wouldn't you just at least use a mallet?
You know, for Christ's sake.
Fuzzy Toast says we should do what the Spanish did and start greeting each other with great big legs of cured ham.
Yes.
Well, I mean, I would love a leg of cured ham.
You come and meet me in the street and you bring me a kid.
I'm a very happy man.
Take your dog for a walk with you everywhere.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And with a beer in the hand.
Yeah.
When I get a dog, I really Henry says, so if I understand the stunning distinction, the British irreversible version effectively renders the animal brain dead before it's slaughtered.
Yes.
Yeah, because there's a bolt through the brainstem, right?
So that's, yeah, that's it.
They don't even cut it from behind as well.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So yes, Henry, they like it's literally as compassionate as it possibly could be.
And it was written to Lauren in the 1930s.
So, I mean, anyway, Michael says, this has really opened my eyes to the problem with Halal and Kosh was slaughter.
I thought that it was simply a blessing over the animal.
This completely changed my view on that.
It's like, well, that's the problem, isn't it?
You know, because a lot is wrapped up in just a word and no one ever wants to examine the depth of it.
So, I mean, I hadn't even, I didn't even know.
So very, I say, let's remember 68% have major hygiene issues.
Yep.
68% major hygiene issues.
Yeah, I've read a lot of information on these.
You can read on those two examples in Warwickshire and North Yorkshire.
They're quite brutal.
Well, I mean, I just can't understand the deliberate and wanton cruelty of it.
There's this attitude.
I've seen CCTV of a Muslim slaughterhouse where they're literally kicking the animals around and they're just being horrible and contemptuous.
Like, just why would we want that?
No, and also, and I think this was last year.
I think there was one halal butcher place, which they, one halal, yeah, slaughterhouse, and they had over 900 work visas for that one place.
And it's just like, how does the home office not clock on to the fact that this is totally corrupt?
Why Abuse Visas?00:01:13
And that's not what they're going.
They're not all going to get a job in that one place.
So obviously.
Yeah, our visas are just being abused.
Michael says, my wife is Slovak with settled status.
She can be a dual citizen, but she can't be a dual citizen.
Slovakia doesn't allow it.
Nor does she want to be, but as a friend of the indigenous Brits, we know we need to defend our future.
And that's a perfectly reasonable position for Slovakia to have.
No, you can't be a dual citizen.
You can give up your Slovak citizenship, but they're not coming back.
But again, where are we?
Lancelot says, the rats are fleeing the sinking ship, so why is Faras setting up cheese instead of traps?
And the thing is, some of it is so nakedly obvious as well.
Like the Nadine Doris and Nadim Zahawi stuff.
It's like there is just no benefit for Faras taking these people.
No.
Total dead weight.
And when he was announcing his shadow cabinet, he didn't give them anything.
So it's like, right, okay, so you don't really want them.
So why are they here?
What's the point of any of this?
Anyway, I'm afraid we're out of time there.
So Lucy, where can people find more from you?
On my ex account.
I always almost call it Twitter, but yeah, ex Lucy White, you'll find me.