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Minneapolis Guard's Dilemma 00:15:33
Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1335 on today, Monday.
Welcome to the week, folks.
I'm your host, Harry, joined by Carl and Firaz.
Few shout-outs to start off with.
First of all, we have the new based goth mugs, which have just arrived.
These are the ones that we've had sent to the office specially, and they are sultry and fantastic.
So pick yourself one up off of the website if you would like one.
We also have Islander still available, but while stocks last for $14.99, again on the merch website.
This is possibly my favorite issue yet, so it's well worth picking yourself up one.
Really good.
It is great.
Also, special thanks to our gold tier subscriber, Jan Havi, who sent us in, I believe, a load of Ferrero Rocher, and this, which I did get working before we started, but now can't seem to wrap my head back around.
What it's supposed to be is like a wine glass where, when you twirl around it, oh.
I've got it.
It's singing.
I don't know if your microphone's going to be picking that up.
But if I run this along the edge, it sings like a wine glass.
So this is surely for all of the autists in the office, of which there are many, going to eat up a lot of valuable man hours.
So thank you very much, Jennifer.
Thanks for destroying our productivity, Jen.
Yes.
Last thing before we get into the news, which is going to be in a moment, is just Firaz is doing a live Realpolitik after the podcast at three o'clock.
And what are you talking about?
Understanding the Atlantic Ocean as America's Marinostrum.
That basically all of Trump's strategy is about consolidating over the Atlantic to facilitate a conflict with China should one break out.
Basically, sounds excellent.
Well, if you're interested in that, and even if you're not, watch it anyway, because you're subscribed to the website, get your money's worth.
Geopolitique, Real Politik, it's talking about geopolitics, is very much worth it.
interesting show.
So we're going to be talking about, you're going to be talking about the Insurrection Act?
Yes.
What's Trump waiting for, basically?
Good question.
You're going to be talking about a certain LARPing night out for a bunch of our favourite red pill manosphere neo-Nancy.
Is this what Hitler died for?
Is this what he sacrificed himself for?
And I've taken the perilous journey into Candace Owens' mind.
And so we've gone to strange places.
Yeah, we've gone very strange places this podcast.
It seems very normal.
And let's get into that, eh?
Oh, yeah, yeah, sure.
So I'm sure you've been seeing the news from Minnesota.
The Minneapolis police have pretty much given up.
They're allowing people to go around the streets attacking anybody who looks supportive of ICE.
So straight white men.
Straight white men.
Straight white men.
They're going after them.
They're beating them up, essentially.
This guy was attacked for wearing a camo, some sort of military style camouflage vest.
Another guy got another group of people who looked white and male were attacked in a cafe and threatened with beatings.
It's sort of happening quite regularly.
And you see random armed men sitting around protesting against ICE, which seems a bit ominous, if you ask me.
There was an incident where somebody had his camera stolen and that the police tell him to pretty much get lost.
The police are refusing to enforce the law.
And this is coming at the direction of the governor and the mayor of Minneapolis.
Just a quick thing on this as well.
It's very clear that Waltz was coming up to the line.
Yes.
Where he was threatening to use the State Guard or something?
The National Guard against ICE.
Yeah.
Sorry, Tim, are you really the guy to lead the rebellion against Donald Trump?
And you'll notice that he walked it back just the other day saying, I think we need to calm down tensions.
Why are we stoking them?
Still, with the fact that he's taken himself out of the running for his next re-election, he said he's not going to run for it anymore.
I suppose he doesn't have to worry so much.
I guess not.
Well, but he is up to his ears by the look of things in the fraud rings that the Somalis are engaged in.
And it seems to be one possible explanation as to how his campaign with Kamala Harris raised so much money.
So there are some pretty serious questions about the guy's integrity, although I hesitate to use that word.
He was traveling to China, supposedly shared all kinds of secrets with the Chinese.
So he's got some issues.
But he's been calling on ICE to leave the state.
And he's been calling on no immigration enforcement, et cetera, et cetera.
And the same has been coming from the mayor, Jacob Fry, who's also been going around saying that there shouldn't be immigration enforcement in the city.
Now, when you look at the questions that this imposes, it's really substantial and it's about more than just winning.
It's about the nature of the law.
Is it that governors or mayors get to decide that the law no longer gets enforced because they have a client group that they benefit from?
And is it the case that every time somebody opens the border, that's it.
Their feet have touched American soil or British soil for that matter, and therefore no further enforcement of the law is permissible.
There's also a bit more to it as well, because, I mean, this it seems to just be deranged that they are at this point, oh, Trump wishes to enforce the law, and therefore we have to be against Trump.
We can't be seen to be cooperating in any way, shape, or form with Donald Trump and his administration.
But that means, I mean, I saw Trump had posted, look, we're getting rapists and criminals out of your community.
Do you really want them there?
And I saw a video with a nice guy saying, look, we're on our way to catch a child rapist and deport him.
And, you know, to the screeching libtard women.
So what are you doing?
Why are you trying to prevent us from doing this?
Well, exactly.
And part of the question that that brings up also is, do elections matter?
If they absolutely don't matter, then screw this.
Let's everybody use as much force as they can, and that's the end of it.
And it's starting to take on the sort of aspect of like feudal lords rebelling against the king, right?
Like you were saying, do mayors and governors have more authority than the elected president of the United States?
And can they just say no, in Minneapolis or Minnesota, we're going to have Minnesotan law, regardless of what the federal law says or what the Constitution of the United States says.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Because whether or not on paper.
Yeah, on paper.
Trump should have more authority than them.
But as you say, in actuality, in reality, they are more than able, if not to be able to just block these measures entirely.
They are able to make it a hell of a lot more difficult.
Well, this is what the question is, right?
Are they able?
And is Trump going to actually stamp his authority on them?
So far, it appears so.
Which sort of brings up the legalese.
I mean, the U.S. code is pretty clear.
Whenever the president considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations or assemblages or rebellion against the authority of the United States make it impractical to enforce the law of the United States in any state by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings.
he may call into service such of the militia of any state, that means the National Guard, and use such of the armed forces, that means the standing army, as he considers necessary to enforce the law.
I mean, that is just crystal clear, isn't it?
It can't be clearer than that.
And the issue is, if you refuse to enforce federal law, the president has the authority to take command of your National Guard and to send in any other American armed forces from the police or the FBI or what have you to enforce the law.
I mean, the thing is, this is particularly important in America as well, because it builds itself as a constitutional social contract nation.
It is a nation of laws.
Exactly.
And if for some reason you have a very pudgy, soft Democrat governor who's like, no, actually, I don't want to enforce the laws of the United States in Minnesota.
Well, that actually takes on the aspect of a rebellion, of some kind of uprising against the authority of the United States itself.
And it's crystal clear.
There are loads of illegal immigrants, loads of immigrants who are committing crimes, and it's clear that Tim Waltz and Jacob Frey have got no interest in enforcing the laws that prevent that.
So this gives Donald Trump all the cases belly he needs to invoke this and go and do it.
And lawfully and rightly so.
Exactly.
And it's not like this is a novel concept.
I mean, here's a list of the times in which the Insurrection Act was invoked.
There's a reason that you have it.
There's a reason why you have it.
It was invoked for all kinds of unrest.
It was invoked for foreign conflict, for slave rebellions, for protests after contested elections, for various insurrections.
Yeah, exactly.
This is S. Grant.
And so as you look down, you see George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan.
JFK did it a bunch of times.
Most famously, it was invoked to ensure that desegregation would proceed.
And the 101st airborne was sent to Arkansas and pointed bayonets at schoolgirls and school children in order to ensure that the federal law that said that desegregation of schools had to happen was in fact enforced.
Deporting Somalians.
But deporting Somalians is where the line should be drawn.
Happy MLK Day, by the way, everyone.
Is it actually MLK Day?
Yes, it is.
So this is not a novel concept, nor is it contestable in American law.
And the law makes it much more expansive, inciting any rebellion or insurrection, as Antifa is doing against the authorities.
Tim Waltz did.
As Tim Waltz did.
Threatened to use the Guard of Minnesota against the federal government.
So under the law, this person should be imprisoned for up to 10 years and fined, or both, and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Based.
So, if there was political will on the part of the Attorney General and on the part of Donald Trump, Tim Woltz could be in chains along with Jacob Fry.
I can't believe this is the same thing.
And Steve Miller hasn't done this.
Yes.
And they could be sent to prison for up to 10 years and fined and bankrupted and barred from ever holding office.
That's how the law currently stands.
All you have to do is involve.
Yeah.
If they conspire or overthrow to destroy by force the government of the United States or to levy war against them, which is what Antifa says that it's doing.
I mean, there literally was this threat.
That is seditious conspiracy.
Guard against the ICE.
You don't get to do that.
Exactly.
That is seditious conspiracy.
And in case you had any doubts, you should be looking at what the National Guard is currently doing.
I think they had a post here by the Minnesotan National Guard saying that if they're going to deploy, they're going to be wearing high visibility vests to make sure that they are not confused with federal law enforcement.
That is mad.
So that the rioters would know that these armed men are on their side.
That is wild.
I think that's pretty insurrectionary.
I mean, you literally are giving them a uniform.
Exactly.
Giving them the uniform of a separate army.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And in general, if you try to interfere or impair or influence the loyalty, morale, of discipline of the military, that's it.
You get sent to jail.
And what did these congressmen do?
A bunch of senators and congressmen and women issued a statement on video saying that the military should not obey Trump.
And they're doing it again over Greenland.
And just to be clear, right?
The United States penalties for disobeying the commander-in-chief and the military hierarchy are actually quite lenient.
Right.
I mean, in World War I and II, we would just shoot you if you didn't obey orders.
In previous eras.
And this goes back all throughout human history.
There's a Hittite tablet from like 1000 BC that says if the, I guess we'll call them sergeants, the captains of divisions, didn't follow the orders of the king, then they'd just be executed on the spot.
If they took one step back, they'd be executed on the spot.
Like these are harsh penalties, and they've been there for a long time for a good reason, because without discipline, morale completely collapses.
The fighting force itself is not capable of carrying out its orders.
Exactly.
And to make things even worse, you had a bunch of rioters breaking into a church in Minneapolis and just shouting at the parishioners and attacking them and terrifying them and going on about the woman who got killed trying to run over an ICE agent.
Let's just watch this little bit of it.
Don't shoot!
Why Are You Not Fighting? 00:00:56
Don't, don't talk about it.
Hey!
Don't shame, don't you!
Where are you?
Where are your people?
Why are you not at Wimple every day fighting for the humanity?
Standing for our people.
Where are you?
You drink your coffee, you got your jewelry, you have your nice clothes, but what do you do?
What do you do to stand for your Somalia and Latino communities?
What do you do to stand for your Somali and Latino communities?
And then they continue to go on that we must win.
How much, like, what the hell are you talking about?
Like, this is a fascinating thing because what he's trying to invoke there is a possessive relationship between the white Minnesotans and the Somali community.
Congress's Complicity in Disorder 00:12:48
It's like, okay, but if we possess them, we would be extracting resources from them.
And they wouldn't be looting the state.
It's going the other way.
Right?
Exactly.
So, what are you doing to support the parasites who are leeching from you?
Is the question he's actually asking there?
And it's unsurprisingly, these guys are like, look, we are God-fearing, law-abiding Americans.
We actually don't like those guys stealing our money.
I mean, most of that.
People could just ask, well, you know, I didn't realize, but I guess I was just paying my taxes.
Yeah, that was enough.
What are they going to say to that?
Exactly.
Exactly.
So you have this deeply misplaced empathy, this misunderstood relationship between an illegal community that sort of preys on you and your own people.
And you see the politics of envy and resentment.
You have your nice jewelry.
You have your coffee.
How dare you?
You have your nice clothes.
And it's not like these guys are in rags or anything.
They don't look particularly poor or hungry as far as I'm concerned.
Dude, the Somalis have scammed, I think the estimate was $9 billion of federal upper class and a funding.
Federal and state funding.
Yeah, they're better off than all of these people.
And why?
Because they were able to rent a little room in an office building somewhere and put up a sign that says daycare or something, Le Mau.
Purely extractive.
But not only that, I discovered that there's a law in the United States called Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act.
And what this law stipulates is that anybody who interferes with anybody going to an abortion clinic, they call it reproductive health, of course.
Or, and here's the compromise between the Democrats and the Republicans, interferes with anybody going to a place of worship is liable to all kinds of penalties and can be tossed in jail and so on and so forth.
Get going.
And so the side note that I want to make here is the way that these guys view abortion as equal to a religious right, which is their own sacrament, their own form of human sacrifice.
It is human sacrifice for their betterment.
But the law clearly makes this a crime.
Just to be clear, it genuinely is a form of human sacrifice.
Because the purpose of human sacrifice was to get favor from the gods.
Exactly.
As in, make our lives better and we will give you this life.
That's literally the rationale they have for abortion.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So there is this violation of the law there.
And you have Don Lemon here.
What's he doing there?
So apparently he's one of the ringleaders.
Whatever it is that he does.
Apparently, he was one of the ringleaders in this.
Okay.
And he was going on about how it's good that people are running away traumatized from church because that's what protesting is about.
Traumatizing Christians.
Well, actually, yeah.
If you are commie scum, that's exactly your objective.
Just the FYI.
This guy, Don Lemon's from Louisiana.
Like, he's probably not used to the temperature there.
Remember the whole thing with traveling across straight lines, traveling across straight lines when it came to Rittenhouse.
Yeah, Kyle Rittenhouse.
And so...
What's Lemon doing other than apparently organising activists these days anyway?
Didn't he get kicked off his show?
Something like that.
He did get kicked off of CNN, and then he tried to get Elon to pay him like $100 million or something obscene like that.
I remember that.
And the only answer is why?
No, he did one episode and then Elon was like, nope.
nope so he's like he did an interview with elon musk in which he demonstrated that he was borderline retarded so So I imagine Don Lemon was like watching over in his little corner shrine, just like coveting the footage of Jan 6 over and over and over again, decided I'm the insurrectionist now.
In true Somali spirit.
So the law is pretty clear about all of this stuff, and it doesn't need congressional approval.
I mean, Congress, even the Republicans in Congress are going around saying...
It's had congressional approval.
That's how it became a law.
Exactly.
Exactly.
They've all agreed to this.
So the Republicans in Congress are telling Trump not to invoke the Insurrection Act.
Why?
Because they're probably on the take from the same people that the Democrats are on the take from.
Maybe.
And they're trying to cripple the Trump administration to make sure that this doesn't work out.
That the idea of mass deportations cannot actually materialize.
It's already happened.
Trump has made America's immigration negative.
For the first time in 50 years, since the 1965 Immigration Act.
I can see how the narrative will be shaped come possibly the midterms, but definitely by 2028.
All of this chaos will be used as reason for why you cannot do this kind of forceful mass deportation.
All of those numbers regarding the negative immigration will be pointed towards because of the fact that a lot of that, according to reports, has been due to self-deportation.
So they will use that as yet more evidence within a larger narrative that it wasn't that they actually offered people a better life to go home or anything.
They used a state of fear and tyranny and oppression to push these people out.
This could be used in a narrative to show, to say that populist right-wing politics is a complete disaster.
You can never let that happen again.
Vote Democrat, vote sensible Democrat.
This is why Trump has to crush it now, right?
Exactly.
Because if Trump actually instead uses the Insurrection Act, crushes them completely, puts Waltz and Frey on trial, they get convicted because that is literally what they're doing.
It's very crystal clear.
Then not only has Trump literally just stamped on the entire Democrat Party, like, okay, look, we can't just be insurrectionists here.
Exactly.
To accept that we are countrymen, the Republicans are in charge at the moment, right?
But that also, because what that does is people are all concerned about all levels of things.
But one thing that basically nobody agrees with is chaos and disorder.
Yes, right?
And that's what the Democrats call it.
Let's talk about Somalians.
And then it's the average American, right?
You know, the average normal American who gets up, goes to work, pays the taxes, and just lives a normal life.
Whatever it is, the partisan issue is, chaos and disorder is just nobody really wants this.
I mean, like, Trump could make a massive deal about it.
Didn't they set up like an anti-fud barricade?
Yes.
Like, so, like, it's literally like the chairs, right?
Yes.
And things like this.
Just Trump, make a big deal out of this, invoke the Insurrection Act, lock up a couple of the people who are ringleading it, and just point out, look, we're not having chaos and disorder.
And so you just frame them as being the party of chaos and disorder.
And we're just not having that.
You know, we're following the laws.
And the law says these people are scamming us.
These people are here illegally.
And we're just sorting all of this out.
And that's an easy win.
But if he doesn't do that, it goes exactly the way you're saying.
Well, it all turns into chaos has already happened.
Who will get stuck with the blame?
Yes.
And what happens now will determine that going forward.
And that's what they did to him in BLM.
Yes.
Yes.
That's what they did to him in BLM.
Because, again, you had the same Republicans saying, no, no, no, no, don't stomp this out.
We can't justify it.
The only sort of defensive Trump.
In fact, it becomes your fault if you don't stomp it out.
Because essentially, the Democrats are saying, see, he permits all of this.
Exactly.
He lets us do all of this, and therefore he's the one to blame.
And in a way, that's kind of true, to be honest.
So the only defense against Trump is that you don't want to appear as too much of a tyrant too soon.
And so if he is playing his hand intelligently, which I think he is, then he should let the chaos continue until sometime around spring.
And then say, well, I told you these people don't want the laws to be enforced.
This can't go on.
We must stomp it out.
And then have a summer of stomping over Democrats' heads.
Give them enough rooms.
Exactly.
So that by the midterms, it's pretty clear that this is the party of chaos and this is the party of order.
And he goes in and wins the midterms.
Because if he doesn't win the midterms, even if he invokes the Insurrection Act now and this all goes away, he can still be attacked as a tyrant between now and then.
And this two-year electoral cycle is genuinely toxic because it forces everybody to be too cunning, too short-termist, too destructive, too willing to engage in things that shouldn't be engaged in or tolerated.
So the time is coming where Trump really has to make a choice.
And if by summer he hasn't invoked the Insurrection Act, he is definitely going to lose the midterms.
If he gives these clowns enough rope to hang themselves, calling for insurrection, calling for the armed forces to disobey, refusing to enforce the law, I mean, everything that they're doing, and it's happening in Seattle and it's happening in Oregon and it's happening in New York and it's happening across the board, where you see these politicians saying we will not enforce the law.
Yeah.
I mean, what he should do is just make unequivocal statements that are basically warnings.
Exactly.
You should just come out and do a press conference, whatever, and say, look, we're not going to tolerate this.
You will essentially get back in line and do your duty as you pledged an oath to.
Exactly.
Or we are going to punish you.
And first warning, second warning, there won't be a third warning, right?
And then come the third warning, like in a month or two's time.
Marco Rubio, who's a better speaker than Trump and is more terse when it comes to all of this, and has shown in the past couple of months that he's actually really good at explaining why they're doing what they're doing.
Just comes out, Marco Rubio just comes out and says, right, we're invoking this act, we're invoking this act on these people for these reasons.
And that's just the way things are going to go.
And then I think that'd be, you know, who's going to disagree with it?
It'll just be hardcore Democrat partisans.
Yeah.
So at this point, it's important to sort of highlight that an insurrection is happening.
Make a big deal out of it.
That Antifa is genuinely trying to overthrow the American government, that they are organizing in violation of these statutes and codes that are very, very crystal clear.
Like, it isn't in any way ambiguous.
It isn't in any way ambiguous.
But then at some point, a bunch of people in Congress who called for armed forces to disobey, a bunch of governors, a bunch of mayors, they have to be seen to be in chains and taken to federal court.
And the elections must run after that on this premise that we've ended the chaos, we've ended the disorder, and now this is permitted.
Because the alternative is genuinely civil war.
If you continue down this endless immigration path, if you continue with the idea that infinity Somalis can just show up whenever they want to, it's gone.
And if Trump fails, it means that every right-wing European leader will also fail.
It means civilization is lost.
The stakes are enormous.
So Trump has to succeed in this.
That's all.
All right, we've got a few rumble rants through.
Shall I read through them?
Arden.
Luke says, sorry for the side note.
Oh, he's got a bunch, actually.
Luke says, Good day.
Hope you had a good weekend.
Carl used to keep the music bowl locked up and only let it out once a month for the most hard-working employee.
The problem is, right?
But it's a reward for the most spurgy.
Yes, you can have 10 minutes with the autism tool.
But the problem is they're all really hard-working, and I can't really compare.
He also says, I think I saw an announcement gold clip watching a video about them saying they've deported enough people from Minnesota that they're going to lose a seat.
Yes, they're going to lose a congressional seat.
They're going to lose a congressional seat.
Yeah, which is good.
Good.
I didn't vote for it, but I would have voted for that.
When we were cheering Trump Bottom, that's what I was cheering for.
Exactly.
And yeah, everyone's having a great year.
Thanks.
And Sigilstone says, can we get a segment about Jeff Bezos' comment about ending PC ownership?
So we'll just rent from a data center.
Strange Night Out 00:15:54
I haven't actually seen that, but my God.
Anyway, let's change your PCs, I suppose.
Yeah, should we carry on?
So the other night, history was made.
If we can pull that up, please, Harry.
It was...
Harry, yeah.
Weird.
I mean, history was made today, as you can see, because Andrew Tate, Nick Fuentes, Myron Gaines, Tristan Tate, Sneeko, some guy I'm not familiar with, and the Twink guy.
The guy who hits himself in the face with hammers.
Yeah, what's his name?
Flavicula.
Right.
I really wish I didn't have to know that.
Thank you, Stellios.
They went out for a night out and this.
They filmed the whole thing.
Yeah, they streamed the whole thing, right?
And this was really weird.
Now, I'm just saying, I was young once.
I wouldn't have liked most of my nights out, or any of my nights being filmed and broadcast to the world, to be honest.
Yeah.
But I can tell you what, I can tell you this for certain.
The nights that I do go on, I have a lot more fun than any of these guys seem to.
That was interesting, wasn't it?
But yeah, I always got a lot more drunk than these guys seem to.
Yeah.
And had a lot more fun than it looked like they had.
But that looks like he can hold his drink properly.
Sorry?
None of them looks like he can actually hold his drink.
I reckon the Tates probably can.
I don't know about.
But the other ones, no, not really.
But this is the thing.
Thank God I went clubbing before social media became a thing, right?
So there are no videos of me drunk and dancing in clubs.
Thank God.
Thank God.
Right.
Anyway, so this was all made possible by a chap called Eric Spovoff, I think it is.
If I can go to the.
Eric Spofford, right?
Who is a very wealthy guy who he created a series of anti-addiction, I think they were charities or private enterprises, but he sold them and made a lot of money on them.
Created charities and sold them?
Not necessarily charities.
Just anti-addiction services.
Yeah, some kind of center-service model.
And then he decides to hook up with all these guys?
Yeah, well, I guess he's a fan of them, right?
Because these are the big influencers at the moment.
Tate brothers known for great purveyors of virtue.
Yeah, it's weird that it doesn't seem to gel very well with what his life controls.
He can make his own choices.
Yeah, exactly.
But, you know, whatever, right?
I'm not going to judge.
For some reason, that's not working.
But anyway.
So they went in a fancy bus to the club, and they were just, you know, chilling out and having a good time.
So.
Do you feel that?
I can't help but notice they were all holding water bottles rather than beer.
Right.
Do you feel that?
That's cringe.
Yes.
Who among us hasn't gone on a night out zighiling?
Well, now that you mention it, actually.
Okay, now that I mentioned that, I'm pretty much all.
But the thing about this is really weird, man.
Because, I mean, like, this feels very online, right?
Like, if you online.
Well, this is, as we're going to see, this is the online, which you normally only see on your little screen.
You see these people sitting in their little studios, or you see.
Yeah, like this one, or you see them in their bedrooms or whatever.
And then you transplant those people and put them into a real-world environment that you might actually be familiar with.
Now, I can guarantee you that if you ran into any of us, including some of the behind-the-scenes guys, at the pub, we fit in.
Yes.
Because we're just a bunch of blokes and people do run into us at the pub, and it's really nice.
This feels like aliens being placed into a club, right?
It feels really weird and unnatural.
These people are supposed to be locked away recording recording streams somewhere.
They're not supposed to be out in the real world.
Yeah, sort of like zoo creatures.
You know?
Yeah.
You're supposed to look at them, but don't get into the cage.
The thing is, the thing is, they're not all the same, right?
And we'll go to the next one.
In fact, we'll watch them in the club where they got the club to play Kanye's Hyle.
We might need to make sure that this won't get the video taken off a YouTube.
I mean, I guess we'll find out, won't we?
There's some really funny things that I want to pick out here, right?
So you've got the young guys in the back who are just like, these are the sort of online Spergy types, right?
Yeah.
Who don't understand how this is coming across.
And the most relatable person in all of this was Nick Fuentes.
If we find him there, looking generally quite embarrassed by the people around him.
Andrew and Tristan Tate, like they look like they're in their natural environment, to be honest.
They're men of the world, right?
Well, yeah, I'm sure they go to plenty of clubs.
Exactly, right?
So Tate, at one point, you know, he's not being an online influence.
He's just like, you guys are acting like idiots and he's just like morons or whatever, you know.
Yeah, that's that's I kind of get a feeling with that face and the way he shakes his head is get that camera off me right now.
Not right now.
Yeah.
So so like, you know, the Tates, men of the world, understood what the mission assignment was.
These other guys who I don't even know if they're drunk, to be honest.
That's the thing.
If they were drunk, it'd be perfectly understandable, but I'm not even sure if they are because they're influencers and they're carrying around their water bottles and stuff.
And like I said, the most relatable person of the whole thing seems to actually be Nick Fuentes, who's kind of standing in the corner cringing.
So it's just like, okay, well done, Nick.
And it's a weird mix as well.
If we go back to the previous one, right?
So they get to the club here and they get out.
And one of the things that I couldn't help but notice, right, is there are severe, there are significant differences.
Like you were saying, like a bunch of these people are just streamers, right?
which means that in reality, they're not necessarily very physically impressive people, right?
As in their job is to sit at a desk and talk, and therefore.
And you can really see it with the Tates, right?
The Tates are dangerous men, right?
They are fighting men and they clearly know what they're doing.
And so they've got the kind of physical confidence back up.
But the rest of them are kind of nervous and weedy.
And so the Tates just seem to fit in around them.
And these guys don't.
But it was weird.
And I don't dislike these guys, but it's just.
I mean, a lot of them made their names being a little rant that came through.
Super chat, you know?
I mean, maybe.
Well, actually, actually, they did live stream afterwards, but I don't know what happened after the live stream.
Yeah, there you go.
But the thing is, people are like, this is a bit weird, actually.
There's something about all of this happening that's a bit weird.
It's a bit that sort of meme.
It's like, you know, our general white race savior, you're browner than I was expecting.
Yeah, this is this is the multi-racial racist coalition.
Yeah, yeah, it's very strange.
People were like, even my Nazis have been great replacing.
Like, what?
What is happening here?
Let's see.
got some you've got quite you've got some mystery meat in there and then you've got like there's there's one like older looking white guy He's not on camera.
And then you've got Clavicula.
I forgot his name after I gave it to you.
Who, as far as I remember from what Stelios has told me, micro-doses meth so that he can keep his cheeks hollow?
Something like that.
And I don't.
It's a whole thing.
It's so that he can stay lean and smashes his face with a hammer or has done that to create micro fractures in his bones to change his bone structure so that he can look better for the sake of mogging other men, not for the sake of getting women's attention, but for the sake of just being better looking than other men.
So something that he'd get by actually boxing.
Well, that is probably except without the cauliflower is.
But that's gay, right?
Just like, help me here, guys.
That's pretty gay.
It's weird.
It's weird.
But anyway, the funny thing about the ethnicity issue is they kind of realize this on the way back.
I won't play it just because there's a lot of swearing and stuff.
But Nick Fuenza is like, all right.
Are me and Clavicula the only white guys here?
It's like, yeah, yeah, you are.
You are.
And then.
Even Nick's admitted to being Mexican before.
He's a quarter Mexican, yeah.
Anyway, so then moving on, we've got the the question of women and this was just one of those clips that went around because it was again Look at Nick Fries I found myself really sympathizing with him.
Yeah, I really did find myself sympathizing with him.
Yo, Nick, I'm going to bring some girls over for you.
Please don't.
I'm sorry.
Please don't.
Like, I don't.
I wish I wasn't here at all.
Don't bring any girls over.
Don't do anything.
But the funny thing is, they did a stream afterwards.
And the girls are into Nick.
It's just he's not into them.
Right.
Probably why he's a challenge.
The girl with the black hair keeps staring at Nick.
Are you staring at me?
That's crazy.
And you were pressing me about how many.
So anyway, it's not that Nick can't get girls.
It's just he's not into them.
And there are loads of people pointing out that Nick just wants to be home.
There's hot chicks next when he's just shrugging people.
He really doesn't look happy.
No.
As I said, he's the most relatable person there.
He's just not into it.
And, you know, it's like, they're talking about women a lot.
But this was a really interesting interaction, right?
How many kids do you want?
Nice.
Good.
We're living it up.
When are you going to have some sneak?
I'm about ready.
The internet's not going to know.
I think you do it right.
You hide the wives, hide the, keep it secret.
I'm not trying to get it.
Fly to Poland.
Fly somewhere.
Fuck America, the courts and all this bullshit.
You don't end up like fucking all these famous people getting dragged out of court by some fucking bimbo.
Fly to Poland or somewhere in Mexico and just fucking have babies and give them like 200 pesos and just fucking just like Poland too much.
I stayed in Warsaw.
Just can't like the language barrier is too weird.
I want someone who speaks American English.
You talk to girls?
Yeah, what are you going to have a conversation?
We're talking about babies.
No, Sneeko wants to have a conversation.
Right.
So don't talk to a woman that you're going to make your wife.
So that's a bit weird.
Not saying they've got the healthiest relationship with women.
Anyway, let's move on to the news.
My God, the news was exactly as you expect, of course.
Andrew Tate, Sneeko, and Nick Fuentes partying as Kanye West band Heil Hitler song plays at a Miami club.
They're not thrilled.
I mean, some of the headlines are just genuinely funny.
Like the club was called Vendome.
Now to apologize.
But then they came out and they put out a statement disavowing, allowing these guys.
And this was really funny.
We're aware of the video.
I want to be unequivocally clear.
Vendome and our hospitality group do not condone anti-Semitism, hate speech, and prejudice of any kind.
These values are fundamentally opposed to what we are.
Ownership and leadership reflect a diverse group of partners, backgrounds, and faiths.
Well, hang on, so did the group guys come into the club, right?
But including members of the Jewish community, and we are deeply disturbed by the harm this incident has caused.
But you'll notice that their ownership and leadership includes members of the Jewish community.
So let me get this straight.
Because, I mean, this club's in Miami, so it's not that shocking, but like...
A diverse group of... Nazis.
Aspiring, yes, let's say Nazis are aspiring racists or whatever it is.
Zeke Heiling and singing in a Jewish-owned club.
Yeah.
That sounds.
And then posting stuff like this.
This is against Talmudic owners.
This is the real NATO.
I don't want to read the whole thing because I'm on YouTube.
That's, that's weird, isn't it?
Like, that's just, and then you've got Nick Fuentes pointing out that he's going to get a seven figure sponsorship from the company that sponsors Mark Levin.
Like, Mark Levin being the most Israel first person you've ever met.
The guy who despises Nick Fuentes probably more than anybody in the world.
Yeah, and that's the reason Nick wants to take the sponsorship because it'll be funny.
But it also sounds like you're being bought out by the money power.
I don't understand this whole thing, really.
Well, that's the point, right?
Because so people are like, yeah, look, the culture's changing.
It's like, I don't know, man.
Isn't this the exact culture that you guys are meant to have been complaining about the whole time?
Yeah, so the whole argument is that using nefarious methods of cultural control, that shadowy figures led by Zionists and Jews have been changing America's demographics and also encouraging and promoting degeneracy like prostitution,
porn addiction, drugs, illicit lifestyles, illicit lifestyles, rap music and other such things which are singing.
Seeking apart the nuclear family, buying babies.
So if that is the conspiracy theory they espouse.
Yeah, if that's the if that's the theory, I mean, they did it.
I mean, they won, right?
Because even that's you guys.
That's you guys.
And we're going to go to a Jewish nightclub to sing Heil Hitler.
Reminds me of a Calvin and Hobbes cartoon where Calvin meets this boy and his name is 42.
And he's like, oh, so your parents are objecting to everything being turned into a number and the commercialization of everything and all of that.
It's like, no, they just gave up.
Which is exactly what this sounds like with a diverse group of internet autists.
Yeah.
I understand, but okay.
that's the thing to a certain extent and to a massive extent frankly with a with a lot of them nick fuentes seems to be nick fuentes and interestingly enough the tates seem to be the ones with more fully fleshed out world views when it comes to what's actually happening across the world politically and within governments so The rest of them, this is a big LARP.
This is purely about being transgressive.
Influencer Feedback Loops 00:09:44
And being filmed with Andrew Tate and Nick Fuentes.
Yeah, and that's why Clavicula came up, I believe, through Nick Fuentes getting platformed on him before he got big.
If you listen to him talk about politics, he's just repeating what Nick says.
Same with Sneeko.
Sneeko mainly just repeats what Nick Fuentes says and then says, also, Haiti's a great place.
And then he goes to Haiti.
He's only half Haitian.
Yeah, and then he comes back from Haiti and doesn't bring it up ever again.
Wonder why that is.
But yeah, this is just about being cool and transgressive.
The problem being that when you transplant it off of the internet and into the real world, it just looks lame.
It's deeply cringe, but it's also really ironic, right?
It's like, yeah, we love Hitler, and it's a Sudanese guy hiling Hitler, where they go to a Jewish club and hang out with a bunch of thoughts, but they're not even interested in the thoughts.
So it's like, like, what, what?
And they're singing a song by a bipolar black guy, which actually isn't about loving Hitler.
No.
It's about how he's a cuckold.
And that's the thing.
And, you know, taking Jewish money and paying a Jewish club and all this sort of stuff.
It's just like, look, I'm not saying I agree with any of it, but like, from your own worldview, this is a highly contradictory thing to do.
And if you're like, yeah, we love Hitler, well, what's Hitler's opinion on your little outing?
Probably not very favourable.
I'll ask him.
Hey, bro.
And so anyway.
You've got people like.
That's kind of like what people are taking away from it, frankly.
It's like you guys are the We Love Hitler club.
And Hitler would be like rolling in his grave, assuming he had one.
And you see, the culture is changing.
Well, not really.
This seems to be the same culture on display that we've had more retarded than ever.
That you've been complaining about for the last years.
The circus just keeps growing.
That's what we learn in Clown World.
Exactly, right?
Like, oh, this is very edgy and transgressive.
It's like, yeah, but nothing was threatened here, right?
This was all just hyper-real.
Like, oh, yeah, we're going to go to this club, we're going to sing Heil Hitler, and then we're going to go home, and nothing's going to happen.
Nothing's going to change.
We'll just kind of embarrass ourselves on the internet, which, yeah, I imagine everyone who goes to a club and has it streamed is embarrassed by it the next day.
So nothing unusual there.
So nothing changes.
So what's the big deal now about this?
That's probably one of the reasons why they weren't drinking so much.
Oh, yeah, I probably wouldn't have done either.
And then you can't have fun.
Yeah, if I knew the entire night was going to be live on the internet, I'd be like, I am not touching anything.
You say that, though, but they're literally singing Harl Hitler.
Like, what more?
It could be worse.
Exactly.
Being a bit sloppy drunk would probably be worse.
Nick Fuentes accidentally kisses a girl.
Worst thing he's ever done on camera.
The most interesting take on this, I thought, came from Gavin McGinnis, right?
Because in relation to your Minnesota segment, while old people yell at law enforcement in the snow, young people are partying in clubs yelling the most unthinkable taboos at the top of their lungs.
Well, the thing is, they always have, right?
I remember, you know, in the 90s.
Singing Raging Against the Machine, you know, in the clubs and stuff like that.
Now, think about it now.
I hate Raging Against the Machine, their lyrics and the content and stuff, but it didn't matter.
It was a way of just kind of siloing that energy off.
So me and my friends went to a club, we got drunk, had a good time, you know, danced to, you know, killing in the name of whatever, and then we went home and now we're good, law-abiding citizens.
And, like, this seems to be the same sort of effect here, right?
This is like, nothing's going to change.
These guys aren't rebels.
Anyway.
Ultimately.
We've got some more rumble rants from our very, very generous viewers.
Thank you all very much.
Do you want to go through this?
In the next series of Hunting Hitler, the Fed's new mission is to fly to Argentina and personally ask Hitler for his opinion.
He's not going to kill himself twice.
So it being pointed out that none of them had beers, Tate and Sneaker are open Muslims, but why weren't the others drinking alcohol?
Well, that's the thing, isn't it?
It's very influencer culture, right?
That's very influencer.
That's why I say it doesn't, from a purely aesthetic point, it doesn't work when you put it into the real world all of a sudden.
Yeah, not a straight white man inside.
Kind of true.
So for the sake of time, Hitler went to a Jewish nightclub once.
He had to wait in line and the bottle service suckballs.
Probably.
Probably, yeah, just weird, man.
Really weird.
Alright, so there's going to be a little bit of overlap with the previous segment for mine, and there's also going to be a through-line thematically as well, which is my, I think it's a very, very well-evidenced thesis at this point, that the internet is just causing a mass psychosis on people.
And when you zoom in on individual cases of internet psychosis, you can really see how much some people really need to log off because interacting with people every single day is not healthy for them on this kind of mass scale.
This can work on both levels as both a viewer and a host or an influencer.
The viewers can basically outsource all of their thinking and opinions to whatever influencer that they want to follow.
And a lot of the time they'll go for people who they think are charismatic or they'll go for status seeking.
And it can get them really, really bad views and led down a really bad path by some people.
From the presenter and the influencer's perspective, you can also get this kind of psychosis where your audience, because they want to just hear, they want to be influenced by you, they will repeat what they expect to hear back to you and turn into this feedback loop where you can all of a sudden find yourself being captured by their own expectations with the worries that if you stop being what you expect them to be, that they will abandon you and go over to the next thing.
They'll just click onto the different YouTube video and what's up next in the thing.
And so it can create this really weird tension.
And certain people really are not built for it.
I'd say most people, frankly, aren't built for it at this point.
Everybody's going mental.
And that's what I want to examine with the curious case of Candace Owens and what's going on with her.
Because I do think there is a tragic element to this story, which is that Candace Owens was very, very good friends with Charlie Kirk.
They had kind of come up through the scene together.
Charlie Kirk had been instrumental in getting Candace Owens involved in the conservative movement in America coming up through Turning Point USA.
And Charlie Kirk's assassination has clearly deeply affected her.
And it has led her down a number of paths where in grief she is lashing out at people and to kind of cope with what's happened.
She's going down these insane rabbit holes.
But the fact that she's got this huge audience of millions who are really happy to hear her theories and not contradict it, and at the same time, kind of has this adversarial relationship with a lot of other people as well, like Nick Fuentes and like Turning Point USA as it exists now and Erica Kirk.
She's kind of got this adversarial thing where she needs to prove them wrong as well.
Well, really, probably what she needs to do is take some time off and try to get herself disconnected from the internet right now.
And I'll explain exactly what's going on.
Before we go on, I don't know why, but I'm really reminded of this green Fortex 4chan green text that I saw ages ago about the toaster shagging subreddit.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.
I've seen that green.
So there's a green text, right?
And it's just hypothetical, but it really makes the point.
So, like, you know, if you're just some guy and you're like, you know what, I really want to shag my toaster.
Just really want to shag my toaster, right?
And you're thinking about it, you just can't get it out of your head.
Well, in real life, before the internet, you know, you'd maybe bring it up to your mate and they'd be like, what?
What, you nuts?
You bring up to your dad or something.
Your dad goes, shut up, go and get a job.
Get a girlfriend.
And so you'd be put on the straight and narrow, right?
But with the internet, there may be a small percentage, like maybe like 100 people around the world who also have had that thought, but they want to shag the toaster.
But you'd never contact them.
You'd never come into contact with them.
But because of the magical power of the internet, you can create a toaster shagging subreddit in which you can all get together and explore the merits of shagging the toaster until eventually one of you tries it and ends up dying in the bath or something, shagging your toaster.
This just wouldn't have been possible before the internet.
And this is one of the things that the internet has brought about that you would otherwise like.
You would have read about it in a history book as like some sort of weird cult that you know where a dozen people, but now it can be tens of thousands of people, possibly even millions, getting in on this weird cult because they are outside of this.
They would never have engaged with one another, so that i'm i'm completely reminded of.
The internet can create some very strange little communities and silos for people to get into.
Time Traveler's Downward Spiral 00:16:13
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So, as a connection to the previous segment, I went on Candace Owen's website sorry um youtube page And the first thing that came up was this mouse not working.
There we go.
There we go.
It started working now.
Two days ago, she did an interview with Myron Gaines, where they, I didn't, I wasn't able to watch the whole thing.
It was kind of an interview where he was asking her questions.
It got uploaded to her website.
Sorry, to her YouTube page.
Probably because I believe his channel, Fresh and Fit, got nuked off of YouTube after Nick Fuentes went on a few too many times.
You know, I don't even think it was Nick Fuentes that guy nuked.
I think it's just that he came out as a full-throated Hitler supporter.
That'd probably do it.
Unironically, I'd, you know, I think that was it.
That would probably do it.
And I thought that this would be normal, relatively.
And I only watched a bit of it that was more relevant to this, but I watched the stuff.
I mean, I mean, look at that.
Why I interviewed Harvey Weinstein.
Oh, God.
Oh, yeah.
I forgot she did that.
I forgot that she did that, but that was a reminder.
But I watched this little bit at the end of Charlie Kirk.
And honestly, the whole thing just comes across as really confused.
She doesn't really have a through line with any of the information or evidence that she presents in this, right?
She has a general feeling that there was something suspicious going on with Charlie Kirk's death.
And maybe there was.
Oh, yeah.
Maybe there was.
I think that there are other people who've presented some stuff that went on with Charlie Kirk's death, which is interesting, especially.
And even Candace herself, it was weird how she did it, given that she said that Charlie Kirk was being pushed by a bunch of Zionists behind the scene to try and re-re like to bolster Turning Point USA's dedication to the Zionist cause, and he was maybe pushing against that.
And that might be something to do with it.
Obviously, no confirmation or evidence here or there.
But then later on, she came out with messages showing that actually he had spoken to people over DMs in the background.
He'd said, I'm going to pull away from the pro-Israel cause.
That was interesting.
Beyond that, though, she's not really presented any more of a clear picture, especially when she starts to bring in Bridget Macron, when she starts to throw in Erica Kirk's connections to all these various different things.
Like she started to bring in Erica Kirk's attachment to some child sex survivor work that she did in charity, sorry, in China, some like charity work.
She's got all of these different weird threads.
Neither did I, because it doesn't really seem all of that relevant.
No.
I mean, maybe it is, but she's not pulling all of these threads together.
She's not doing a Hillary Clinton here, is she?
Or is she accusing her of doing Hillary Clinton?
She basically, she basically is.
Right, so she's not exactly saying that she's trying to get children.
Not necessarily.
She's implying that Erica Kirk was involved in Charlie Kirk's death.
Oh, which is one of the darker aspects of this.
Also, she seems to be getting a lot of this from dreams and visions.
I don't need to laugh.
And I say that unironically.
I apologise for having to say that.
And so I saw that.
I watched the little bit at the end here.
And it was mainly her just throwing out lots of random bits of disconnected information and then saying, you know, I've been visited by Charlie in a number of visions, and I'm still just going by what he's been telling me in there.
It's like, okay, all right.
If you say so.
And then I decided to watch this.
Again, the connection.
There's Nick Fuentes there in a current little rivalry.
Ironic given that Fuentes is hanging out with not Myron Gaines.
Either way.
It's a little bit cafe, though, isn't it?
It is.
It is.
And I think that part of this as well is that I think people like Candace Owens are promoted a little bit or a lot actually because she gets millions of views to kind of conspiracy jacket any questions that people might have to ask about these kinds of situations.
Although I do for one actually think that the most likely the simplest and most likely answer with Charlie Kirk is that he was just shot by a crazed anti-for activist.
Yeah.
I think that's the thing that makes the most sense and has the most evidence pointing towards.
Yeah, it's also where the evidence seems to be.
Yeah.
So that's what makes most sense to me.
But look at this.
Where is it in here?
She pulls up a spreadsheet.
Afficking children from Romania.
Of all of these different threads that she has.
Liberty University, Eastern Europe, they're all categorized.
Trafficking, social sex abuse.
Yep, yep.
And some of these points under here don't really connect to Eastern Europe either.
And then you've got the military over here as well.
If I have a halted degree in Russian studies, someone goes to Romania.
It's like, that's not the same place.
Might as well be.
She is American.
To the American mind, Eastern Europe is just this big strip of land kind of next to Russia.
Also much.
Russian really, isn't it?
It might as well all be Russia.
Obviously, the Romanians cooperate with the Russians in this.
There's no difference between the Baltic and the Balkans.
Nothing like that.
That was Lestrasse who got confused between the Black Sea and the Baltic Sea, by the way.
I mean, that doesn't surprise me at all.
But if you actually take the time to read a few of these, you can see maybe one or two threads that you can connect here.
So Liberty University, Erica Kirk attended and graduated.
Cabot Phillips attended and graduated.
Mikey McCoy accepted, but went on to join TP USA.
Rob McCoy and Charlie Kirk via Jerry Falwell Jr. and Liberty University.
I don't know what that's even really refer.
met met charlie kirkfire so there are there are threads that you can pull but then when you start to combine it with all of these other little bits here it doesn't really paint a full picture Maybe if you were to individually investigate any of these single points, they would be interesting.
But it kind of comes across like, you know, like in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia when he's trying to figure out the mail room board behind him and he's got all of the conspiracy threads behind him.
So what it kind of comes across as, and I was hoping that there would be some kind of, because I see all of these clips go up on Twitter of Candace Owens saying something insane, right?
Yeah.
And I was hoping that if I watched this video, that it would make it make sense and make these threads that she's drawing together come together coherently, right?
And that all of these clips on YouTube, on Twitter, maybe she's just, I want to be good faith with people, you know, maybe she's just being taken out of context.
No.
No, it's just crazy.
She throws out all of these different talks.
She talks for some reason about this film that Erica Kirk was involved in that never went anywhere 13 years ago back in 2012.
I don't really know how it connects to it.
I watched the video.
I don't know really how it connects to much.
And then by the end of this segment, she ends up accusing this child sex trafficking survivor charity house, which is supposed to help these children who've been through these experiences to recover and give them therapy.
She ends up implying and accusing that they might be involved in sex trafficking.
Because, well, it's got housing for six girls and it's on a 40-acre property.
And I don't know, 40 acres seems a little bit small for six girls.
It's not.
40 acres isn't actually that much.
It's like a homestead territory.
Okay.
Right.
And then also the fact that, oh, you know, they want to make it secure.
You're not going to know where the facilities are.
And they're going to keep the girls from escaping.
Why would they want to escape something like this?
It's like, well, I mean, you don't want people knowing where it's just by insinuation, right?
Yeah, so it's all by insinuation.
There's no actual evidence being presented.
It's all her just implying and pointing at shadows which are coming out of her mind.
And it's like, I just clicked.
I thought it can't be that crazy.
And then she's accusing a charity of running a child sex trafficking ring off of the basis of her inference because 40 acres.
That's a bit much, isn't it?
In Nevada, lots of creeps in Nevada.
No, you don't want these girls to be able to escape.
Why would they even want to escape?
You know what else they have in Nevada?
Lots of open space.
Lots of unused land.
That's why the land's cheap.
Like, yeah, 40 acres in England, good luck.
It costs millions.
In Nevada, probably not that much because it's fucking desert.
Yeah.
You can't do anything with it.
She also keeps going on about how she's basically got like hundreds of thousands of people messaging her and emailing her lots of theories and leads and ideas.
And who knows how much of that is just going to be internet cranks?
I love it.
And how much of that is going to be trolls?
Yeah.
This isn't people on a Discord or something.
Like, how come we drive Candace Owens mad?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's where you get things like this all of a sudden.
And this is where I'll play some of the clips now.
This one wherein Candace Owens says that Charlie Kirk may have been a time traveler.
Listen, right?
Why did Charlie?
Sorry, before we begin, right?
On the lad's hour, we're doing the bingo card for 2026.
I predicted that Candace Owens would be right about something.
I hope it's this one that she's right about.
You know what?
You know what?
I wouldn't bet on it.
I'm not going to put money on it.
If I were you, I wouldn't bet on it.
Yeah, I can do you a great deal on a bet, Carl.
If you want to go, if you want to go, you and me.
I'm not putting money on it.
I just don't think Charlie Kirk was a time traveler, but okay, all right.
Here's what she had to say: Charlie think he was a time traveler.
He said, as I showed you in earlier messages, that he was a time traveler and he had to find me.
Is that just something people are saying to their homies in text messages?
And again, not anything that I would have placed so much emphasis on back when he was saying it, but it came to fruition.
The other parts, he did die young.
Why did he think that him dying young was necessary in order to change things?
He did die young.
It is related to Turning Point USA in some way or another.
At the very least, we could all agree it's related to him speaking at a campus event for Turning Point USA.
I'm totally occupied by this.
I tell you, I read these messages and I'm going, what is this?
What is reality, actually?
And Carly died.
Yes, like I said, it was related to this organization.
And I think we would all agree that his death and the manner that they did it changed the world in ways that I don't think we can fully realize, or certainly not in a way that I can articulate.
Yeah, so you can see the line of reasoning that's going on down here, which is basically grasping.
It feels like, you know, Timple pointed out this.
This feels like some sort of woman's true crime podcast.
Yeah, except she's making the whole mystery up as she's going along.
Yeah.
And making it more and more complicated as she goes because, goddamn, like, I'm getting a million, two million views per podcast following this story.
So, you know, like, I'm not going to give it up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's just losing it.
Yeah.
She's just losing it.
That's that's the long and short of it.
Now, to anybody in the chat, I can see you saying that she's gone full Alex Jones.
The thing is, like.
She's nowhere near this crazy.
Yeah, Alex Jones was actually right about a lot of it, even if it's only like, even if he misworded it or made it sound crazier than it was.
The problem with Alex Jones isn't even the thing.
If you actually like, if you were to put the things Alex Jones says into a text document and just read them in a calm tone of voice, you realize this is not that crazy, right?
It's the way he delivers it that makes it sound crazy.
It's magnificent.
Yeah, yeah, it's brilliant.
Yeah, it's completely compelling.
But it makes it sound more ridiculous than it actually is.
Because, I mean, like, when he breaks into Bohemium Grove or whatever, it's like, okay, they have a certain owl.
What are they actually doing?
Like, it's actually not mental, right?
This is where she seems to have got the time traveling thing from because she shared this screenshot of a text message that she had with him years ago, I assume at this point, where she puts, I'm an alien sad face.
And he says, I think I'm a time traveler.
This is my home, but I think you found me and time traveled with me.
So what?
But if she's taking the first statement literally, right?
Surely in this light.
He's just riffing with her.
Yeah, he's having a joke.
But surely within her own logic, within this new mystery, surely this makes her a time traveler.
That makes her a bloody alien.
I mean, it makes her an alien time traveler.
Charlie Kirk's like, she's called herself an alien, Jesus.
What do I do with that?
I'll just have a little joke as well.
It seems that, like, all of this has happened, and she's gone a little bit crazy from grief.
And she's looking at all of these old messages, trying to find some kind of pattern with it.
And incentives as well.
And incentives.
But also, she's trying to look for a pattern and she's putting all sorts of patterns together that aren't actually there.
It's actually a condition called apophenia, is when you're finding patterns that aren't there.
And I think that's what we're seeing right now.
She's going through that.
And also, again, the audience capture and the audience incentives as well don't give her a reason to get off of this train.
That's the thing.
You have to ask yourself, she is a mother, she is a wife.
What is she doing with her time in relation to these things if she's drowning herself in this rabbit hole, which seems incredibly interminable, and to be fed by all kinds of people online who might be trolling, might be twice as crazy, and you kind of go, this woman is sort of going on a downward spiral.
And this is the issue with the centralization process of the internet, because there are millions of mothers.
That's the toaster right there.
Yeah, yeah, that's the toaster right there.
There are millions of mothers all over the world at the moment, middle-class mothers who are sat at home with their kids listening to these insane true crime podcasts, right?
And I know, so my wife's one of them, right?
Yeah.
I'll come into the kitchen, my wife's like doing cooking or whatever, and she's got like some of them.
There's this one guy with a really boring voice that she listens to all the time.
And I'm like, how does this not put you to sleep?
But like, and it gets to like the most horrific things you can imagine are being described on these podcasts.
And women, and these are, these are huge, millions of people watch these podcasts.
There's all women who are just like in these like, you know, fancy worlds, but they're on their own in this fancy world, right?
Charlie Kirk's Superpowers 00:12:42
So then they step outside and they go, oh, you know, my love is completely normal.
They don't have hundreds of thousands of people DMing them conspiracy theories and reflecting it back to them.
They're not making stacks of cash out of this, you know?
So it's like, it's just a little flice of fancy.
And at least at least the true crime that they're listening to also actually is confirmed to have actually happened.
My missus does the same thing.
Has yours ever watched any of those ones where they're like talking through the most horrific crime you've ever heard whilst doing their makeup on camera?
Oh, there's loads of money.
No, no, my missus uses audio-only ones.
Oh, all right.
Okay, so you don't get the thrill of walking in and your missus is watching the television.
It's some girl doing makeup and going anyway.
And then he stabbed her, and you won't believe how many times and where he did it.
And I'm just like, love, do you have to?
No, no, my wife has got this.
He talks like this, and then they killed her, and then they flayed her body, and it was really boring.
And it's like, I just don't understand why you're listening to this at all.
But anyway, there are other twists in this story as well, of course, especially given that it turns out that Charlie Kirk had superpowers.
Oh.
Yeah, he had superpowers.
What does she have to say about this?
Before the government agents are going to swoop in and go, who is this genius child?
You know?
And a lot of weird things used to happen to Charlie.
He would go on runs.
I think I told you guys this after sundown.
And when he was running, streetlights would go out.
It was like he was in a burst of energy, like he was a lightning bolt or something.
Yeah, and then somebody edited in the flash.
I mean, who are you?
I touched a computer screen and it just permanently died.
This happens.
Always work in IT sport, right?
There are people like you.
We've got names for you.
Cursed.
That's what I'm saying.
But what?
What about Jesus?
What about my dad?
When we used to have the big TVs, right?
Sometimes it starts to flicker.
He'd just give it a knock on the top.
Started working again.
Oh, yeah.
Magic.
Yep.
Okay.
Millions of people are paying her money for this.
Yes.
Yes.
So all I'm saying is, right, Charlie Kirk came to me in a dream.
She also, it looks like one of the links got mixed up.
One of the other links that I had was her saying about how she believes that all of these tech guys are Sentinel human hybrids, which, to be fair, is actually the most reasonable and logical.
And what's a sentinel?
I would assume some kind of non-human cyborg.
Oh, okay.
So that was the most belief.
Like from X-Men.
I was thinking like Sentinels from X-Men as well.
But also, I mean, if Charlie Kirk had superpowers, maybe these were his arch enemies.
That's interesting, isn't it?
She's turning the conspiracy theory into essentially a Marvel universe.
Yeah, into a movie.
Yeah, but like the sort of lore of the Marvel universe is like, okay, you know, the people that you're aware of are, you know, there's always like the background normies who are just wandering around and they get saved by the superheroes.
And that's basically what she's selling to her audience here.
Isn't that the Marvelization?
Some people have commented that you can basically tell what's movies on her mind depending on what theory she's put out that day.
What did you watch recently?
Yeah, she's like, oh, this time it's The Matrix.
Oh, this time she watched X-Men this weekend.
But one of the sad things about the whole thing is that, you know, the whole time as well, one of the big insinuations throughout all of this, and you don't have to like Erica Kirk or anything.
Outside of her relation to Charlie Kirk, I don't know who she is.
I'd never heard of her except as Charlie Kirk's wife and the mother of his children.
I've not followed her since the Charlie Kirk assassination because I didn't really feel the need to.
But she's basically been hounded by this because one of the insinuations through all of it is that Candace is suggesting that the government and foreign governments were involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk and that through that they got the approval of Turning Point USA,
which is not explicitly saying that Erica Kirk knew about and signed off on the assassination of her own husband in view of his children so that her daughters could be traumatized.
But it is getting very close.
And Erica Kirk has asked her to stop a number of times at this point.
The mouse almost went again.
Has asked her to stop a number of times.
And when asked to stop, after which Candace had said before she was asked to stop, she said, there are only two people who can get me to stop, which is Charlie Kirk and Erica Kirk.
And obviously Charlie Kirk's dead, so it's just like Erica Kirk.
Erica Kirk asked her to stop.
And then Candace came out and said, my response to that is, you know, I'll stop when you tell me what exactly it is that I've lied about.
I mean, you're not making any substantive points.
Exactly, but that's part of it.
That's part of the whole thing, though, isn't it?
I'm not the thing about the Egyptians being involved.
Yeah, she started to go back to the whole Egyptian planes.
I think she did actually have a meeting where Turning Point and Erica Kirk told her, we'll have a meeting and we'll smooth all of this out.
And then she came back and she started to suddenly pull back a little bit on how hard she was going on TPUSA and Erica Kirk.
Probably because she didn't tell us what that meeting was, but I can imagine that it was lawyers.
I can imagine there were lawyers involved and she was given a very, very harsh warning to shut up.
I thought Erica did threaten to sue her.
Was it not public?
I don't know if it's public.
I think it might just be assumed.
Either way, it has gone back to like Egyptian aeroplanes and all sorts of things.
I mean, as I said, now it's come back to, oh, maybe this random charity relief work in Nevada is trafficking children, and that's somehow related to it.
So the good faith interpretation is that she's just gone mental with grief.
That's the good faith interpretation.
The bad faith interpretation is she's just grifting and doing this to get lots of money out of people and to present something to an audience that wants to hear this.
I just want to, I don't know if I would say it's about money, right?
Because Candace Owens was successful anyway, right?
So she's getting hundreds of thousands of views per episode of her show.
So you're making a lot of good money out of that.
And she's also married to George Farmer, who is a very rich man in his own right.
He's an aristocrat, isn't he?
Yeah, an heir to the farmer fortune.
So it's not like she's like, okay, we need to earn some money.
No, she's married a multi-millionaire.
So I don't think it's about money.
I think it's about attention.
Perhaps tension as well.
That's a form of currency in itself.
Exactly.
I can't help but feel that's what it's really about.
Either way, it's nuts.
It's crazy.
And people should, some people, a lot of people, should take a few days to log off the internet for a little bit, go see your family, go interact with people in the real world, go to the pub with your friends, have a pint.
De-stress.
She's married to an Englishman.
She's allowed to do that now.
She can just go to the pub.
George.
Yeah, tell her to calm down, switch the camera off, go for a pint.
There you go.
All right.
I'll go through a couple of my super chats.
Has Robert Downey Jr. and the Tropic Thunder said the Tropic Thunder, you never go full, Alex Jones.
Hope you guys have a good week.
What's your bet for Greenland?
I kind of want Trump to take all of it as well.
No, I don't.
No, I don't look at what's happening in American cities.
European cities are already bad enough.
It can always get worse.
I don't want all of Europe to become little America.
And I'll tell you what's going to happen to Greenland in half an hour.
There you go.
Yeah, tune into Real Politique.
Bay Stape, if I ever end up running a shady international cabal, I hope I get exposed by it, Candace, because nobody would believe her.
Instead of the Alex Jones was right jar, we have a Candace Owens is wrong barrel.
So true, but you.
I've convicted.
She's going to be right about something.
You're a betting man.
Yeah, but you're gonna hit the end of the year and you'll put play like one clip of her where she says, Oh, it's Wednesday, the something or a bad, and you'll be like, See, it was the right day.
I wouldn't do that, it would be on the substantive merits.
Theory, yeah, exactly.
It would be on the substantive merits.
Yeah, and Luke says, We know it's bad when she starts setting up lights up next to letters trying to get Charlie Kirk to send her messages.
And don't forget, one of her highest-rated-rated female books was Fifty Shades of Grey.
Yes, our job as men is not to understand women, it's to tolerate them to do our best to make sure they don't hurt themselves by accident.
That's our best, that's the best we can really do.
And with that, do we have any video comments?
Um, Michael says, uh, just talking about my segment, uh, uh, no, first a segment.
This is an excellent segue from Carl's Sagan of the Cad piece about why I'm a 40,000.
These people are representatives of chaos, they build nothing, create nothing, contribute nothing, and they can only destroy.
Republicans are the force of the Empire of Man, the Democrats represent Moloch.
More or less, yeah.
I mean, genuinely.
This is why the meme of, you know, it's all just 40k and worlds picking size is true, because it actually substantively represents what is happening around, and it looks cool.
So, you know, that's good.
Furious Dan says: as much as Trump should invoke the Insurrection Act, he should Maduro the communist agitators and organizers causing protests and riots in the first place.
Well, the thing is that they actually have legally enunciated rights, right?
You can't just blackbag the communist protest.
Correct.
Unfortunately.
Sorry, if you want to get the video comments up, I was just talking about this while you were doing it.
You know, he has to follow a procedure, but the procedure is all clear in black and white.
It's been used many times in a well-traveled path.
No, the American.
Ever since civil rights, the American trend has been they will use the laws to make your life worse.
This would actually be an insane 180 if they used the Insurrection Act to make your life better.
Oh, I think it's happening.
You're seeing this transition from Republic to Empire.
And as you see this transition, all kinds of bad behavior that required the emergence of imperial powers are going to be policed.
So we are in the middle of very interesting times.
We'll see.
I'm optimistic.
Shall we play this right?
Okay, so we're going to talk about a project, the AI confession booth.
Some time ago, I submitted a video comment promoting the movie Colossus the Forbidden Project, dramatizing a defense computer becoming self-aware and taking over the world.
The film is based on the first of a trilogy of books by British science fiction author and World War II Royal Navy commander Dennis Jones, who was unaware of the original Colossus machine.
While the third book, Colossus and the Crab, goes a bit awry, The Fall of Colossus is an interesting study of life under the machine, including a cult who worship it like a god.
We're definitely going to see those.
And whatever you do, don't go to confession to a machine.
Please, go to a priest.
One way to explain women protesting ICE is that it's a giant crap test.
As we know, modern women are married to the state, but for the first time, instead of giving them everything, they've been told no.
The state has been the ultimate simp until now.
And now, ICE is passing the crap test daily, and women are confused by this.
Sadly, this is also their hyper-reality, so they won't stop.
And ICE must simply keep going.
That's a great point.
The state has been the ultimate simp.
Like, literally, that is a great point.
Like, what has it been demanding of these women?
Absolutely nothing.
Yep, it's the worst kind of OnlyFans super chat simp in the world, right?
In Absence, They Decide 00:03:05
Just give you money and ask for nothing in return.
Oh, compliance.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, well, they get compliance.
Well, yeah, but like and the destruction of Western civilization.
That's that's where the test is coming in.
Well, yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm reading a work at the moment that is employing some kind of like Jungian psychoanalysis and just like psychology to examine leftism and female leftism in particular in the part that I was just reading.
And it was essentially saying that, yeah, a part of it is an expression of a desire for the return of an actual man, essentially an expressed desire, a repressed desire for return of a righteous king figure.
And in absence of that in their day-to-day lives, they decide to try and take it on themselves whilst also at the same time pushing the men around them to take it on.
Yep.
Boom.
Man, I want to like the boys, but I had to stop after, like, season three.
It was just becoming such obvious shit-lib propaganda.
I couldn't bother.
I mean, it's a Seth Rogan Eric Kripke show.
Of course, it was going to be.
Just a reminder: this is available on the website.
And, you know, and I'm fine that I can cope with that.
You know, okay, yeah, you do the normal libtard stuff.
But, like, Homelander was at least an interesting character, right?
But now it's about essentially destroying Homelanders cool as the evil villain.
Well, yeah, because you liked the show for the wrong reasons.
I did, yeah.
So they have to ruin the show now.
Exactly.
Exactly.
That's exactly what it is.
And it's kind of sad.
See, what put me off season three was that one of the opening scenes was a tiny man in another man's pink.
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of it.
Just the sheer level of gross out in that show just was way too much for me.
And the plot and characters weren't incentive enough for it.
We've got positive feedback from our writing at long last.
Oh, good.
Was it the representation of a person coming to terms with their death?
No.
Was it the ambiguous nature of humanity choosing between avenge and mercy when placed in a new foundation of power?
No.
The historical comedy involving a fist fight with the Grim Reaper?
Nope.
Nor the horror shot set in Swindon.
No.
ICE Raids Before Noon 00:03:01
Then what was it?
An off-the-cuff story about stand-ins for Jeremy Corbyn and Zara Sultana being seized by our company, Wordsmith Productions, as a reference to the capture of Nicholas Maduro.
Well, get to write in then.
There you go.
And we've got the comments on the website.
We've got a few more minutes.
Someone online says, ICE has been doing early morning raids because no leftists can get out of bed before noon, so they don't encounter treasonous mobs.
Hector says, Harmee Dylan is already going after the church people.
She gets shit done.
Who's Harmeek Dylan?
I've never heard.
She's, I think, an assistant attorney general or something like that.
Oh, what?
In Minnesota or no, federal level.
Trump, right?
Federal level.
I mean, it'd have to be federal, wouldn't it?
Yeah.
Roman Observer says, a strange assumption from the lefty protesters.
Church equals law-abiding ice supporters.
Yes, that's exactly right.
Probably more likely than not.
Diodeni says, are these the far-right radical talking heads?
Not only am I unimpressed, but I think we might truly be cooked if these are who the far-right is sending.
Yeah.
Oh, I mean, one of the purposes of promoting a lot of those guys is to, frankly, clown jacket dissidents.
It's going to make it uncool.
One of the things that drew people to dissident anti-establishment politics in the past was that it was cool.
If people see all of that, they're going to go, this is f ⁇ ing lame, man.
And how is it any different to the cringe leftists that have been promoted everywhere anyway?
Yep.
George says, well, I find nightclubs incredibly cringe, this event upsetting all the right people is a positive.
The thing is, I don't even see any lefties upset about this.
Yeah, I haven't.
That's the thing.
Like, the venue's like, oh, yes, of course, we disavow this.
Blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, exactly.
But, you know, they haven't even been banned from the club.
If they got banned from the club, okay, makes sense.
But they would say, oh, no, we're just against this.
And it'll go away tomorrow and nothing will have changed.
And it'd be like, okay, well, what was the point of that?
Henry says, the whole night out feels like someone tried to film a live-action South Park episode.
Kind of.
And again, it's like there's something really cringe about it.
Because, yeah, I mean, you go to a club emits, you get drunk, you hang out, and you just have a good time.
Fine, you know, that's fine.
That's fine.
But it's also performative.
And they're also sober.
And so nothing actually unusual or random is happening or funny, you know, or anything like that.
So it looks stilted.
Lord Inquisitor Hexa Rex has a request, which I believe we should try to honour.
I want the Lord of the Eaters to remake this night out, but it's all Catholic hymns and them drinking fine liquor.
I mean, we can do it, but we won't film it.
Exactly.
Because there's no way you're going to get me on camera just for an entire night out.
Skeptical Questions 00:03:19
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'd never let that happen.
Josep says, imagine being a normie woman going to a club and a bunch of spastics are there.
Yeah.
Not a great look.
You go to a club and then there's couples up there, please.
Heil Hitler comes out of the speaker.
It's like, what?
Cumbering Kulak says, Candace Owens, I suggest you have a look at Jimmy Dool's videos about clipping websites.
Well, I don't watch much, Candace.
I do find this massive coordinated media attack on her suspicious.
She has legit questions about Charlie Kirk.
The thing is, you weren't clipping, were you?
No, I've seen the clips, and then I went to her channel to watch some of the more recent videos that she'd done speaking about it.
And I understand that you're saying that she has legit questions about Charlie Kirk's death.
I think she has asked those questions.
I think the threads that she is following now are not leading anywhere.
Well, the thing is, in the end of the comic, it says, do better, Lotusitas, don't be scared.
Truth doesn't fear interrogation.
If she's a gobshite, then she will demonstrate that on her own.
The thing is, I think that she has demonstrated that.
That's the problem.
I was as charitable to Candace as anyone, right?
Because, I mean, they're a dead.
I don't hate Candace.
No, not at all.
But also, like, there are weird things that happen in any sort of controversial event, like that you get various angles.
There's all these interpretations.
But the thing is, like you say, you weren't following the clips.
You watched the things.
And it's like, okay, but there's nothing here.
And I do think that she is right to question the behavior of some people, especially some close to Charlie immediately following his death and say, listen, this is not how you react when you're grieving.
This is not a normal behavior.
Like, we all remember Trump immediately following Charlie Kirk's death.
Now, Charlie Kirk had met Trump a number of times, was friends with him, and was involved with him closely.
He worked with the White House.
And Donald Trump couldn't wait to get off the subject and promote, what, the golf course that he was having built or something.
Wasn't it?
There was a load of weird behavior.
But all of these extra threads that she's brought up are just clogging the through line that could be found.
And I think, frankly, she's over-complicating it.
If she's sincerely trying to look into this, I think she needs to take a break, not worry so much about hundreds of thousands of people potentially trolling her by sending her false leads.
And she needs to clear her mind a little bit, get off it for a moment, and then come back with a clear perspective.
And frankly, I think that saying that we've been paid $7,000 for this, very funny.
I would wish.
I don't get paid $7,000 per segment.
I can tell you that.
The point is, I think she has demonstrated it.
That's the issue.
But I think we're out of time.
Yeah, I think that's all the time that we've got for right now.
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