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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1295.
	I'm your host Harry, joined today by Josh.
	Hello.
	Firas and our old friend Jezza.
	Free Wi-Fi and free Palestine.
	That's this podcast's new slogan.
	And thank you to Jamie for sending in this delightful jump scare that we got in the post.
	And also, Socialist Monopoly, where winning is for capitalists.
	Dan's gonna take...
	He's in the room with us right now.
	Well, actually, that makes sense.
	You are old friends of his.
	But Dan's going to take his look over this and see if we can turn it into a lads out.
	I'm sure it won't be that difficult.
	It's already a parody.
	So thank you to Jamie for sending that in.
	We know that you're the guy who also sent in Swindon Monopoly.
	And other than that, today we're going to be talking about how the flags are driving them insane.
	I'm going to be talking about Con Inc. crashing and burning and seething while they're at it.
	And Firaz is going to tell us why usury is a sin against God.
	And other than that, after the podcast today, at three o'clock for our premium subscribers on the website, we have a roundtable about how they don't get Lord of the Rings, how nobody gets Lord of the Rings.
	This was your idea.
	So you're the one trying to draw more blood out of the Lord of the Rings stone.
	I'm not drawing blood out of it.
	I'm polishing it and refining it.
	I'm interested to see why nobody gets Lord of the Rings.
	Well, it's mostly the left because I've already done a podcast segment about Nick Fuentes not getting it.
	And I'm going to give it an honorable mention right at the end if we have time.
	But I don't want to go over and rehash the same stuff.
	But it's basically going over how the left is just like, this is our stuff.
	And it very much isn't.
	And my basic argument isn't that it's also the rights.
	It's that there are multiple different layers of messaging.
	And it is not intended to necessarily be a political thing.
	Well, let's not spoil the whole thing, Josh.
	So tune in for that.
	Plenty of examples.
	Tune in for that at three o'clock if you subscribe to the website.
	And with that, let's get into it then.
	Should we get Jeremy Corbyn's face out of here first?
	No, I think it's a good motivator.
	It's scary.
	It's putting me off.
	It's terrifying.
	It's like he's heckling me.
	He wants to give you a kiss, Josh.
	He's going, hook her up.
	Yeah, I'd rather have a vampire.
	An actual vampire.
	Hook her up, Mr. Firm.
	Let's see if you live up to your name.
	You'd never ask.
	Oh, dear.
	There you go.
	That shut you up, didn't it?
	Anyway.
	That's getting clipped.
	The box doesn't work.
	Your box is working on this screen, so you need to move the mouse to there.
	How long have I done?
	Working here?
	Anyway.
	I'm the only person who ever seems to understand any of this, by the way.
	Well done.
	Anyway, I should probably get on with my segment now.
	Must you?
	Yes.
	So the flags are driving the left crazy in Britain at the minute, and their attempts to co-opt it lasted all of about five minutes before they defaulted back to kind and decided that they're racist, sexist.
	Who knows, you know, every epithet under the sun.
	And obviously this didn't work because no one believed them.
	No one thought that the Lib Dems who will wave the European Union's flag over their own constantly would all of a sudden be like, yes, this is our flag now.
	And it didn't stick.
	And it's interesting that people were saying, well, you know, they've co-opted it now.
	It's taken the steam out of the sales.
	But actually, what has happened is this lasted a very short time.
	It didn't work.
	And then they're back to their usual tricks.
	And in fact, they've amped it up more than before.
	So this latest story is what I wanted to talk about mainly.
	St. George's flags are creating no-go zones for NHS staff, Health Bosses warned.
	And of course, I covered not too long ago the no-go zone that is Whitechapel.
	Yes.
	And that's an actual, you know, police confirmed no-go zone because UKIP planned a demonstration there.
	The police said it's too dangerous and you can't go there.
	And therefore, the lawful right to protest wherever you so wish.
	I mean, it was applied for legally, and I think it was approved and then denied.
	That's probably the first time in most people's living memory where that's been denied.
	And so that's quite a significant thing.
	And now it's being turned around to say that the St. George's flag is creating a no-go zone for NHS staff because where the subheading of this article is a trust leader hails the bravery of black and Asian healthcare workers.
	They didn't capitalize black.
	That's a mark against you there, Skylar.
	Asian.
	Asian, yes.
	Capitalized.
	Those healthcare workers for continuing to treat patients in areas designed to exclude them.
	Almost as if I do find it very strange that apparently the very presence of the St. George's cross generates a magical barrier that actively pains them to go through.
	Many people from Africa do believe in that sort of thing, right?
	Sadly, yes.
	And most of them are working for the NHS.
	That's true.
	And I did find it funny.
	It's like, can we have a moment to pause and applaud the bravery of our black and Asian healthcare workers?
	For having to be near our national flag.
	It's like, you came to this country.
	What did you expect?
	I mean, it is our national flag.
	It's not like back home you don't fly your own flags.
	And many of you are very nationalistic about your own countries.
	But I'm going to read a little bit from this article because it's a sort of gold mine of sensationalizing, really, I think.
	So it says, the flying of St. George's flags across the country are creating no-go zones, basically rehashing the title.
	Several NHS trust chief executives, who, of course, are very much partisan of the left, right, because their entire existence is predicated on please throw more money our way because that goes directly into our pockets.
	Therefore, we want the most left-wing people who are going to fund the NHS as much as humanly possible and be less critical of us.
	I think under the new regime, everybody who ever said something like that must make an oath of loyalty, affirming basic things like, actually, men can't become women, all people aren't equal, Britain is the homeland of the British, things of that nature that are designed primarily to trigger them and then be held accountable to that oath.
	I think this kind of imposition on them would be very welcome.
	Otherwise, just sack the ball.
	Anybody who says something like that.
	Because, of course, you've got the Hippocratic oath for the people actually doing the medical work.
	These chief executives are basically pencil pushers, aren't they?
	They're not actually doing any healthcare work.
	Well, usually they're not even an oath with the new euthanasia laws.
	That's gone.
	I know, yeah.
	Well, that's pretty much gone.
	So, yeah, it's an insane claim to begin with.
	But please continue.
	These chief executives and leaders have said staff feel intimidated by the national symbols.
	Interesting that they use the term national symbol there.
	Very interesting because that's sort of revealing your hand a little bit there, isn't it?
	Including when they make home visits.
	The findings follow a survey conducted among senior managers.
	So again, more people that have the same sort of incentives.
	45% of whom were extremely concerned about discrimination towards staff.
	But would they have answered that way beforehand?
	That's a very open-ended statement.
	Let's flip this on its head.
	Imagine how terrified those poor Englishmen are going to be when they've got a home visit coming and then a foreigner walks through their door and they were expecting health care.
	That is true.
	And we're just past Halloween, but that's a spooky story.
	And speaking the bare minimum of English, if any English at all, there was this story recently about a guy who basically took his wife's job as a nurse and would sort of do her shifts and nobody asked him any questions about it.
	I assume they were afraid of looking racist.
	Yes, yes.
	Exactly.
	And you see the endless qualifications fraud that comes out of places like Nigeria and India and Pakistan.
	And you kind of go, well, am I getting treatment here?
	Or is somebody with zero medical information showing up at my door?
	It's terrifying, really, that our healthcare that is forced upon us with the NHS, we're forced to pay for it, we can't opt out of it, is then administered by people whose competence you can't really truly assess until you're already in an unfortunate situation, as well as which it's assessed very uncritically.
	Yes.
	We should look at these things as can you trust these qualifications?
	There should be some sort of test to prove competence if you can't trust it at face value.
	But none of that exists.
	I could argue a way in which you can judge and assess their quality at a glance, but I don't want to be charged with a hate crime.
	I wonder what that could be, Harry.
	Well, there are signals.
	A friend's child went to the NHS and they had to try, I think, 11 times before they could draw a bit of blood.
	It's terrible.
	Like, even a lay person has a better chance at doing that than those odds.
	It's ridiculous.
	But it carries on to say, a trust leader said anonymously that there were safety issues around how they work in community and nurses regularly visit patients in the homes.
	He said, you're going in on your own, you're locking the door behind you.
	I've been in homes with people who have been convicted of sex offences and we go in and provide care to them.
	Which are you just scrolling down?
	On here.
	Okay.
	So that's not really relevant to the flag issue, unless, of course, the implication is that only sex offenders are flying the St. George's flag.
	But I suppose it's just demonstrating that they're going into an environment that could be uncomfortable.
	Well, they're trying to draw an equivalence here.
	They're saying that if you are a patriotic Englishman who has a flag up near your home, we view you as being as dangerous, as potential of a risk as a sex offender.
	Which is incredibly insulting.
	It's not just insulting, it's hysterical.
	And it's actively hostile.
	It's the flag of our country.
	This is the kind of behavior that a lot of people across the world display, which is a lack of objective feeling, where they will just see the signifiers of the out-group, in this case that being our flag, and respond in the most neurotic, hysterical, shrieking manner possible.
	And that's what we're getting here.
	And they do it so that they can try and get Gibbs off of us.
	It's very true.
	It is all about resource extraction.
	There's much research out there, psychological research, that suggests that people signal basically this virtuous victimhood to elicit non-reciprocal resource transfer.
	People understand that the more you scream that you're a victim, but you've done nothing to deserve it, the more people give you stuff.
	Only in some societies.
	In other societies, if they see you as a victim, then they sort of double down.
	And you saw that with the incidents with girls who were asking for help and then, oh, you've been raped.
	Let's do it again.
	So only in certain societies, it only works one way and it's designed to only work one way because of the way the Christian culture works.
	It is very much across the sort of Christian Western world, isn't it?
	So it carries on to say, we saw during that time when the flags went up, our staff who are a large minority of black and Asian staff feeling deliberately intimidated.
	Well, that's just their feelings.
	It doesn't make it real, does it?
	It felt like flags were up creating no-go zones.
	That's what it felt like to them.
	You add on top of that the real autonomous working, the real bravery of working in people's homes with an environment where it feels like it's an area that's designed to exclude them.
	Do you know what feels like an area that's designed to exclude me?
	Minority areas.
	How about that?
	How about London?
	I don't really feel like I belong there.
	How about parts of, you know, Bradford or Birmingham, places that should be white majority, but they're not anymore.
	They don't belong necessarily, at least in practice, to the white British anymore.
	I challenge them to do the same for Palestinian flags.
	But nobody ever asks white people if they feel intimidated by Palestinian flags.
	Also, I sense a bit of a threat.
	I do sense a little bit of a threat in this, which is that the implication, well, the statement is you displaying your national pride is creating a hostile work environment for our staff, implying that if you continue to do such a thing, they're just not going to send staff to you anymore.
	So yeah, if you have a St. George's flag up in your area, the eventual conclusion will be that the NHS isn't going to send health care to you, which is wild.
	And what I did find very interesting is that lots of the media pretty much reported on this in a near-identical way.
	This is pointed out by this person here in response to myself.
	And it was a very interesting observation that I wasn't able to pick up.
	They all used the no-go zone thing.
	They all talk about St. George's flag specifically.
	And it all just seems to come from a common point of origin, doesn't it?
	It's interesting that they all basically report it all in the same way, isn't it?
	Sort of suggests something is going on.
	And it's co-opting the language that we've been using about ethnic enclaves for a long time.
	It is.
	And I think that there's some very deliberate things going on, though.
	People who understand the situation that seem to be writing the template for these articles.
	It could just be that Reuters has written an article that I wasn't able to find that was the original source, because sometimes that is the source of how they all have the same thing, but not always.
	Like when the Southport riots are going on.
	That's had the fingerprints of an Intel op, you know, about as obviously as in living memory.
	And not to sound too conspiratorial, but it's weird when everything has the same exact framing, language, and although they've got different pictures, it's basically saying the same thing.
	That's weird to me.
	Is it a Raikou op or Riku or however you pronounce it?
	Probably.
	I don't know.
	You could sort of see the subtle difference.
	The Daily Mail and the Telegraph say that it's a claim, whereas the others, the Independent, The Guardian, and Sky News, say that it's a fact, essentially.
	So up there, it's they warn, and then in the Telegraph and the Daily Mail, it's a claim.
	So it sort of leaves it open to questioning at least, because it is a stupid claim.
	Of course.
	And it is a very unequal and one-sided claim.
	Again, they would never do that about the Palestinian flags.
	They would never do that about an area where you see hundreds of women zomburkas in the streets, but they would do it when it comes to the English flags.
	100%.
	So this sort of narrative is carried on talking about making people uneasy.
	Here's a Labour MP who definitely doesn't have a personal incentive.
	Jeevan Sandher, I think, I don't know.
	Might as well be called John Smith.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, he, I'm not going to play this because it's a long video, but he's saying, okay, I understand people are patriotic, but it's making people uncomfortable, which is weird.
	And then there's just this.
	People feel unwelcome over England flag flying.
	And then there's this guy looking very stern saying that he took down flags raised in his neighborhood after local residents said they made them feel unwelcome.
	I wonder why that is.
	If only there was something about him that made it feel unwelcoming.
	It's almost like you recognize that you don't really belong here.
	You're not part of the country.
	And it's something against you.
	Is this supposed to make me feel bad for this guy?
	No, I don't feel bad.
	Or it makes me hate him.
	Is this supposed to be just reinforcing to me that I live in an occupied country?
	Yes, it goes too much.
	The arrogance of it is really breathtaking.
	The arrogance of it, the entitlement of it is quite breathtaking.
	I mean, here's how I think about it, being a Middle Easterner and thinking someone from the Middle East.
	These guys could just as easily be working in Dubai.
	In Dubai, all of the Indians, all of the Pakistanis, they stopped issuing visas to Pakistanis, but anyway, are made to put up the UAE flag on their national day, and they deck their buses and they deck pretty much everything that they have with the UAE flag.
	And the Emiratis are actually maybe 10% of the total population of the country.
	So everybody's made to celebrate it.
	And if somebody says, I don't feel welcome because of the UAE flag, in two minutes, they'll be on an airplane back to wherever they came from.
	And that's what we should be doing as well.
	And that is what happens.
	This is what they accept in an authoritarian society.
	And they fully accept it and they say nothing about it.
	But where they feel that there is some give, where they feel that there is space to push, they do it.
	And so there's a level of hypocrisy and dishonesty there because you know that if they got a better paying job in the UAE, they'd move there.
	And you know that they would be singing from the right hand sheet and they wouldn't be deviating from the official line in any way.
	But here where they feel that they can exploit this kind of leftist narrative, they just go all in.
	And it says something.
	If you had any pride, you wouldn't do it in one place or the other.
	And you would have a consistent position across both.
	If you had any respect, you would say, hey, it's their country.
	Let them do whatever they want.
	But they have neither integrity nor respect.
	And it shows 100%.
	And another example here is this one.
	And this one was quite egregious.
	There's a lot of detail, but because I'm a bit pressed for time, I'm going to sort of skip over some of it.
	But the headline is, Council pulls down large number of flags after racist park attack.
	And of course, the implication here is that the flags were the thing that, you know, they captured the minds of people and made them attack someone.
	And of course, the people who attacked them are the people responsible.
	And it says in the article that they were carrying around flags, the men, in some sort of racist attack.
	But then they went around and took down the flags.
	And this equivalent seems a bit strange.
	And then they basically argue that the incident at Canoe Lake, which is the lake here in the Fum now, this is in Portsmouth, I believe, is very specific.
	And therefore, we have decided to remove the flags from this location, which seems a strange response.
	Until you realize that this is the decision of the local council, and the leader of the local council is a Liberal Democrat.
	Then all of a sudden, it makes sense.
	And then there are other ones as well.
	But you showed me a picture at the beginning of this segment of the Lib Dem Twitter account celebrating the flag, saying that the flags were basically a sign of multiculturalism.
	So it was almost like it was a cynical PR move that didn't work and they've got defaulted back to their usual rhetoric because they realized it didn't work.
	Politicians lie.
	This is only a reason to keep pushing the issue.
	This is a reason to keep pushing, to put up more flags and to just keep challenging them.
	So this is a very interesting one because this involves a counselor for your party.
	So Jeremy Corbyn.
	No, I thought it was your party.
	It was my party.
	I knew it.
	I knew it.
	You're in collusion.
	It was me all along.
	No.
	So he went up to people putting up flags and started filming them and confronting them.
	And he even admits, listen, I got a little bit angry, but they got angry in return.
	And then he acted as if, like, oh, these people were awful.
	They're intimidating me.
	They were aggressive.
	They're not even from round here.
	They had Liverpool accents, but they weren't from this specific local area.
	I'm willing to bet that that's exactly what happened in the previous incident.
	That the guy said something and then they said something back.
	I wouldn't be surprised, yeah.
	I think that's a lot more plausible than they were walking around with a bunch of flags, saw a random guy and started verbally abusing him.
	Because it's not in sort of English nature to just randomly start beating someone up for no reason.
	I'll tell you what it sounds like.
	Sounds like this is MAGA country, son.
	It's the same energy as that, isn't it?
	Yeah, Jussie Smollett.
	Oh, I think you're ripping from his playbook there.
	And also, apparently, according to this, some of the flags had racist slogans on.
	They don't name any of the slogans, so you can't judge for yourself.
	You've just got to take it upon them.
	And apparently, also, they were criticising Liverpool's only black MP, which might be why it was racist.
	I don't know why.
	This guy's from...
	Just a bad MP.
	Yeah, it's a lady, but I wouldn't be surprised.
	What's her name?
	Do you have her name?
	It's here somewhere.
	Where is it?
	Sorry, it's really spread about here, isn't it?
	These terrible articles.
	There's more advertising.
	Yeah, I think it was up there.
	Perhaps Goab, was it Kim something?
	Kim Johnson?
	Is that a...
	Might be.
	Wait, wait, go back down.
	It says Councillor Gibbons said there were various messages on the flags, including one saying stop the boats and another calling for the removal of Kim Johnson, the MP for Liverpool Riverside, which does not cover the area in question.
	So I would assume if there's a black woman MP, that's Kim Johnson attending the reparations conference a couple of weeks ago?
	I'm not entirely sure, but that would be one thing to look into.
	But the idea that, you know, they just had racist flags.
	It was the St. George's flag.
	It had racist slogans.
	We're not going to tell you exactly what it was, but the flag's racist.
	It's just trying to reinforce that notion, isn't it?
	And of course, the guy who's saying this sort of thing, Councillor Gibbons, is about as left-wing as you can get in British politics.
	And so you're not exactly getting a reliable narration of events.
	And even he admits, listen, I did sort of provoke this situation.
	So it's ridiculous.
	Also, York Council is removing the flags amid rise in racist incidents.
	this is really the narrative they're pushing and um here was a video uploaded by flag force of epilepsy warning yes sorry um Of them flashing lights into people's eyes.
	They were basically filming this group of people who aren't official.
	They're sort of unmarked vans going around at night cutting down the flags with balaclavas on and everything.
	And they claimed that they were employed by York Council, which all seemed a bit shady to me.
	I don't know what exactly is going on here, but they were very defensive when you just went up and asked them what they're doing.
	Granted, he was filming them, which does people put people's back up against the wall a little bit.
	But even so, there's no need for this sort of thing, is there?
	Because in the video, he's just asking them what they're up to.
	And that it seems a little bit extreme.
	And there was also, of course, people going around in droves, cutting down the flags.
	The guy doing the soy faces is mocking them, by the way.
	Yeah, he does parody.
	Yeah, he's a comedian.
	But yeah, there were just groups of people standing around the flag poles and clapping, going from flagpost to flagpost, applauding.
	And that's what they're doing.
	Suicide letter behaviour.
	So let me just let me.
	Russian, I know you're probably in the chat right now.
	Are you pulling this face?
	I hope you guys.
	Because we've got you up on screen.
	And this video also went around quite a lot of two blokes taking down a flag.
	And I'm going to play a little bit of it, even though we're pressed for time, because it's important.
	Putting them up there, please.
	You can report it to the council.
	Sorry?
	Report it to the council.
	I'm asking you.
	We've had donations in the streets.
	Oh, that's fine.
	You're entitled to yourself.
	Yeah.
	It'll be odd, though, if we just leave this one out.
	Sorry?
	It'll be the odd one out if we leave this one out.
	Everyone else do.
	Do they?
	Everybody.
	You've asked everybody in the street.
	Yeah.
	Not everybody.
	We've had donations in the street.
	If you don't like it, there's the correct channels to go for.
	You can ring the police, you can ring the council, and you can go through it that way.
	Well, cut it down yourself.
	Or cut it down yourself.
	Okay.
	And that's theft.
	I've got that on camera, you admitting it.
	So it will be reported to the police.
	Theft under section one, 1960.
	It basically carries on like this, and they sort of.
	It goes on and on, a bit like that, but it's not very tense.
	You know, he explains to him, listen, if you want it removed, you can do these things.
	Although, you know, it's a bit of an uncomfortable situation because it is right outside of his house.
	However, it is a bit weird that he's so angry about it immediately.
	If somebody were putting up a flag outside of my house, I'd be like, oh, cheers, mate.
	Thanks, saves me the effort.
	That's true.
	And it might just be the boomer thing.
	I was thinking about this as another explanation.
	It might be that he's got nothing against the flag, but because he hasn't been the person to put it up, he takes exception to it.
	This is sort of a very boomer English mindset where if he hasn't done it, it annoys him.
	I've encountered a lot of people of his sort of age that are a little bit like that.
	So, you know, I didn't see the intimidation part.
	No, they weren't really intimidated.
	Why is this being reported as intimidation then?
	Well, because the account reporting it has socialist in the bio.
	Ah, redirect.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So this has been jumped on.
	It's like, isn't this awful?
	But it could have been a lot worse, actually.
	And although it's not the most pretty thing in the world, they did explain to him this is how you do it.
	They didn't swear, they didn't shout.
	They still remained calm.
	And I understand, you know, it's not the prettiest thing, but it's not a big deal.
	But they're trying to make a big deal out of it because they want to make the flags taboo, don't they?
	Here's another one here.
	Imagine posting this and thinking you're anything but a gang of bullies.
	Gary Neville was spot on, hateful individuals, but they weren't hateful, actually.
	He was a little bit apologetic at times, even though he was very angry in return.
	They all got the memo, did they?
	And then here's an English Islamic convert talking about it.
	I despise the British far-right, not just on an ideological level either, but the fact that they compare and comprise largely of nasty bullies.
	They didn't really bully him.
	In fact, they said, sorry, we'll be out of your way in a couple of minutes.
	Did this guy read anything about Islam before converting?
	Apparently not.
	They abuse people, not only people of different skin colour, but anyone who doesn't agree with their hate-driven agenda.
	These guys don't care about British people, nor do you.
	That's why you betrayed us.
	They are just vile thugs and anarchists who want to burn down society and rule over its ashes.
	I think that's not true.
	Obviously, this guy's got an agenda.
	He works for five pillars, I think.
	Yeah.
	So he's a scumbag, basically.
	Yes, five pillars is about as subversive as it gets.
	And then there was this video being shared.
	I think this account might actually be a troll account, either that or they're crazy.
	But I think they're actually maybe even a satire account as it's got an AI profile picture and they post the most deranged things.
	But it's just lots of people protesting outside of a migrant hotel.
	And a sort of warning, it has a woman crying, which can be annoying.
	I'm going to mute that.
	If only you could do that in real life.
	So they're trying to claim that the flags.
	Whoops.
	No, I do actually have sympathy, obviously.
	Not for this person, though, because it's absurd.
	It's an absurd reaction to just start bursting out into tears.
	Maybe because either, one, this is a video created and it's fake to drum up sympathy.
	Who knows if the audio is actually genuine.
	Two, maybe in their home country, when people are angry about people invading their country, they burst into the hotel and do harm to them.
	And therefore, that's what they expect is going to happen here.
	And it doesn't because we're British and we're a lot more law-abiding than whichever country this lady has come from.
	But a rational reaction doesn't mean you should be scared of the flags.
	There's this account that it's posted on.
	Go down.
	The little watermark on the Instagram video is she, she, they.
	There's a BBC watermark as well.
	I don't know who's stealing from who there.
	And then finally, I wanted to end on this, that it's driven them so mad that people are now attacking poppy sellers in the street.
	This was in Wales, and they were flying flags for remembrance, so remembrance flags, and things of that nature.
	It wasn't even national flags necessarily.
	And someone went up to them.
	Mr. Goldsworthy, 60, told the Telegraph, this gentleman came up to us and said, you're all reform racists and you can F off to people raising money for.
	So that 100 years down the line, their descendants could be insulted for trying to remember them.
	So it was the lest we forget flags, the white ensign and flags for the army and royal air force alongside union flags and the Welsh flag.
	So it wasn't even the St. George's flag that got this reaction.
	And yes, obviously, they have doubled back down on their usual ideological direction, I suppose.
	And it is driving them mad.
	Obviously, this wasn't happening before where they're attacking people selling poppies.
	It's got to be playing havoc with their psyche because they perceive it as parts of the country being claimed.
	And although there's an element of it, it doesn't mean you can't go there.
	And it's the same as when they said to us, oh, you know, having lots of immigrants in an area doesn't make it a no-go zone.
	Well, if it works that way, then it works that way for us as well.
	But it is absurd.
	And I think that the more they react like this, the more it exposes the absurdity of their beliefs.
	Do you imagine that in Whitechapel they do much remembering of the Englishmen who sacrificed themselves over 100 years ago?
	No, they certainly do not.
	I mean, why would they?
	Sorry, that went on a little bit long.
	That's all right.
	We'll go through the video.
	Well, sorry, the super chats and everything.
	So I'll go through Rumble first.
	Random name, we've been blessed with the three most based Lotus eaters.
	Also, the reason I want you to cover Halo is because of the similarity between some of the aliens and our diverse brethren.
	Yes, this has been pointed out, and it's also been pointed out.
	I don't know how accurate it is that Halo is a very Christian story, especially given the naming conventions it uses.
	Palm put, and then everyone clapped canon ending to every anti-flagger stories about being intimidated by flags.
	Fact-check true.
	Habsification.
	We know they're lying.
	They know that they are lying.
	And they even know that we know that they know that we are.
	Sorry, I'm getting tripped up.
	It's a tongue twister.
	We also know that they know, we know they are lying too.
	Habsification again says we're at Soviet-style hyper-realism now.
	Yes.
	YouTube, Iron Bean.
	Well, we know you're definitely not Nazis, despite what some say.
	Their stuff ran on time.
	Oof.
	Well, in that case, technically, it wasn't it Mussolini who was a fascist, not a Nazi.
	There's a difference.
	A good wizard is never late nor early.
	He is always exactly on time when he intends to be.
	Normal man, question for Ben Shapiro: Why am I not entitled to a home?
	Why is it that I can stay close?
	Why is it that I can't stay close to my roots?
	Why must conservatives always run and never fight and abandon the things that matter to the horde?
	Neocons are dinos, and I would assume also rhinos.
	Well, it depends on who you are, means whether you're entitled to a home.
	Because I can guarantee this: there are certain people that Ben Shapiro would say laid claim to a home a few thousand years ago now, and he would never say that they should run and leave.
	Von Louis, wait till the One Piece pirate flag comes out to play.
	You see more pirate flags generally, actually.
	Kimley O'Gloyne flag movement has even started here in Germany, which makes some people worried for whatever reason.
	No idea what those are.
	Octodor are they claiming to be vampires allergic to crosses?
	Probably.
	I'm going to start using that message.
	UK's demographics are as dire as New Zealand's.
	Top three surnames at birth in New Zealand were Smith, Wilson, and Brown in 2014.
	As of 2014, sorry, 2024, they are Singh, Kerr, and Smith.
	At least Smith's still up there.
	Smith.
	Wilson's and Browns and Wongs have gone to Australia's 10% of New Zealand residents are there.
	Jeremy Corbyn, according to Kyle Vernon, walks into a bank.
	He yells, this is a robbery, and he plainly walks out.
	I understood that one.
	Yeah, with New Zealand, I mean, in Ireland, it's like Mohammed because they're so uninventive that they all just call themselves and their children Mohammed.
	Like Sing, Kerr, and Smith, that's a bit worrying because I imagine I can't imagine, I don't know the exact population of New Zealand, but I don't imagine it's huge.
	So it's very easy to swept up by that.
	It's also a nice country with lots of beautiful countryside as well.
	The Lord of the Rings rightly highlights.
	Yes, for Englishmen.
	For ganders.
	And yes.
	So, yesterday, I spoke about the many missteps that Conservative Inc. and MAGA have been taking recently and asked, I think, the very pertinent question of who MAGA is for, who they are working on behalf of, what all of their goals are aimed towards, what they're working towards.
	Sadly, I missed this amazing clip yesterday that came out about five minutes before the podcast started, because obviously there were the problems with Trump's statements on H-1B visas.
	There were Trump's problems with his statements on Chinese students.
	There were Trump's problems with announcing that he might be doing 50-year mortgages, which is definitely just to help you, dear citizen, onto the jobs ladder and not make the banks even more money off of exorbitant interest payments over the course of the extra 20 years that you'd be paying on top of the 30-year mortgage that's already available.
	It's basically to expand the franchise of moneylenders, isn't it?
	Yeah, pretty much.
	That's all it is.
	That's not in the public's interest.
	Pretty much.
	But there's a lot of other problems going on in the country right now outside of what Trump has been saying.
	And one of the problems has been that his biggest cheerleaders are becoming more and more desperate when they're trying to excuse and explain away the things that he said.
	Yesterday, I saw a lot of people pointing to the old cases of the good czar, bad boy excuses that were used in Tsarist Russia.
	If the Tsar ever made a problem, if he ever made a mistake, well, it wasn't his fault.
	He's got our best interests in mind.
	It's his bad advisors.
	They're the ones that we should be blaming.
	If only we can get the good advisors on his side, then our country will be great and prosperous again.
	I've seen that deployed a lot because every single time he says something wrong, everybody goes, who's Trump getting his information from?
	Who's he listening to this week?
	I can't believe he's making all these mistakes.
	If only he would listen to Stephen Miller.
	If only Stephen Miller were in charge of all of Trump's decision making, then America would truly be great again.
	But perhaps it's just that Trump has bad judgment for advisors.
	Well, being a good leader also means knowing who to listen to, doesn't it?
	And who has the best advice?
	The most important attribute.
	I would agree.
	Or perhaps this is just Trump's genuine vision of America and what America should be like when he's running it.
	And then this clip comes out, and I've not really seen anybody try to defend this because, frankly, you can't.
	What is the administration's position on these visas?
	We're going to keep using our visa programs.
	We're just going to make sure that they have integrity, that we're actually doing the vetting of the individuals who come.
	Oh.
	Is the internet working?
	The internet's not gone down again, has it, Harry?
	Please, I'm going to reload this page.
	I'm going to reload this page and hope.
	Okay.
	White House is shutting it down.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	We're getting digital strikes from television.
	No, that's a joke.
	It's from Washington.
	Oh, no.
	The internet's not gone down, has it, Harry?
	Oh, no.
	They know.
	Shut it down.
	It happened.
	It happened.
	We finally got hit.
	If you are watching live right now, if we are still live, this happened.
	I'm criticizing Israel.
	The internet went down about an hour before the podcast was supposed to start, but we thought we'd solved it.
	I thought Pete solved it.
	Apparently, we're still live.
	Okay.
	I was about to start a game of socialist monopoly to pass the time, but okay.
	Media couldn't be played.
	I'll try and go through as best I can.
	Oh, no, I don't.
	Let's not try and rely on the video clip, okay?
	She basically says that they're moving forward with all of the visa programs, green cards, all that.
	And then she says this, but also more people are becoming naturalized under this admin than ever before.
	More people are becoming citizens.
	That's insane.
	That's not what people voted for, is it?
	Well, I was about to ask, have you got your Got What I Voted For award yet?
	Because I've got a truckload of Fell for It Again awards that I can hand out if you'd like that.
	Because I don't remember anybody voting for this.
	Nobody voted for this.
	And it's ridiculous to try and argue that this is what it was for.
	Harry, we are still live, right?
	Okay, we're still live.
	Can't use links.
	Let me see, will they load if I...
	Okay, okay.
	All right, so I can still go through the links.
	I'll just describe them to you.
	So, you know, there have been some pretty catastrophic problems with the messaging.
	And then, you know, the big champions of MAGA, who didn't start off as champions of MAGA, in fact, they turned out to be very, very anti-MAGA when the movement first started 10 years ago, but then flipped when Donald Trump started doing some very particular things, like moving a particular embassy to a particular city that nobody expected him to.
	People like Ben Shapiro are all of a sudden very pro-Donald Trump.
	And on a recent interview with Trigonometry, he got into a lot of trouble for suggesting when talking about the state of New York and the recent election of Mam Danny, who we are not fans of on this podcast.
	We are very critical of Mam Danny.
	He is going to run the city further into the ground than it already is.
	But at the very least, paid lip service to the kind of ideas that New Yorkers are upset with the cost of living, the unaffordability of the city.
	Ben Shapiro comes out with this compelling counter message.
	If you're a young person and you can't afford to live here, then maybe you shouldn't live here.
	That kind of dismissive attitude that kind of characterized, say, the old school neocon 90s style conservative, which made everybody hate them in the first place.
	I absolutely despise this sort of argument that, you know, you should abandon where you're rooted, where your family and all of your loved ones are, presumably, and go away in the pursuit of work as an ends in and of itself.
	The reason that everybody in Lebanon hates Lebanese politicians is because they made Lebanon's biggest export to become people.
	People are Lebanon's biggest export because the politicians are so bloody awful, because nobody can live there, because it's uninhabitable, because, because, because.
	And to sort of say that with a straight face is absolutely insane.
	There is the obvious double standard, but again, as you said, Josh, the lack of respect for rootedness and belonging, the lack of love for your country, the lack of love for where your ancestors are, where your ancestors are from, it's crazy.
	And coming out and saying it this way, he tries to defend it in his own weird way, as he always does.
	But it just shows a level of disconnect that is breathtaking.
	Well, furthermore, there were a lot of people when I posted about this that were trying to defend it, saying, well, he's actually right, though.
	You don't have a right or entitlement to live somewhere if you can't afford to.
	And you can say on a purely economic basis, perhaps, but it is ignoring many of the reasons why New York has ended up in this position when New York, as we've seen from the recent Mam Dani elections, is being flooded with immigrants who then immediately go on to vote for a third worldist Muslim, anti-white mayor and wants to bring in even more.
	It's a sanctuary city.
	They bring in all of these people, but even more pressure on the housing within New York, which because of a host of different reasons, is already facing enough pressure that raises prices and inflates housing prices.
	He ignores all of that and then again ignores the fact that it's the same problem on a national level in a place like England.
	If you move somewhere else, you're not solving the problem.
	You're kicking the can down the road.
	The kind of ideology that motivates these people to invite the entire world, especially the third world, into a city like New York, is totalizing and universalizing.
	It doesn't see anywhere outside of its remit.
	It doesn't recognize borders.
	So you may move somewhere else where perhaps the demographics are a bit better.
	Maybe the housing prices are a little bit better.
	Maybe there are still job opportunities because all of your jobs haven't been outsourced or already given to foreigners, or all of your money isn't being taxed away to give to those foreigners.
	Guess what?
	10 years down the line, same thing's coming over there.
	This is the ideology of eternal retreat.
	This is the loser ideology that has characterized the moderate right for 30, 40, 50 years and is why they have lost all of these cultural battles every single time.
	And the thing that makes it sting all the more is Ben Shapiro is wealthy enough that he's isolated from any of the consequences, similar to the elites doing this sort of thing, in that he can retreat to a place that's walled and maybe, you know, gates.
	I think he's in Florida.
	South Florida in a very in an area where he feels he belongs.
	Yeah.
	And so it's sort of like, well, I'm going to be rooted, but maybe not you.
	It's home for me and not for thee.
	Yes.
	And after this complete PR disaster, he then, following Donald Trump coming out saying, well, we're going to need the H-1Bs, comes out in support of H-1Bs, making the Vivek Ramaswamy economic argument saying, can this play?
	Can this play?
	There are, in fact, certain positions in the United States that require a level of expertise that may not be reachable in the numbers that are currently being turned out by American universities.
	That is a shortcoming of our educational system, and it is a problem.
	And so you can say we should up our game.
	Education.
	I agree.
	We should absolutely up our game educationally.
	But in the meantime, if you do not bring in the labor supply, particularly to tech, tech will go find the labor supply.
	And so what you will end up with is an office that was employing 30 Americans and three H-1B visa people.
	If the cost grow too high, simply moving to another country where they hire 30 Indians and zero Americans.
	So you can't have a nation, you can't have a job because otherwise tech bros might outsource everything anyway.
	So instead of outsourcing over there, you need them to outsource the labor force over here.
	Either way, your pay goes down, your opportunity goes away, you have to move out because you get crowded out of your own neighborhood and your own city.
	I agree with you.
	Is this a sustainable argument?
	The thing is...
	Sorry, Josh, just...
	Sorry, please.
	Go ahead.
	What this misses is the actual problem, which is the financialization of capital and the ability of capital to migrate anywhere that it wants to go.
	You want to try to impose some restriction on the ability of strategic companies to move out of the country.
	And you have to have a regulatory answer that says, actually, if you're Oracle or Microsoft or X or whatever big technology employer, you don't get to outsource jobs.
	Otherwise, you lose all access to this market.
	So this is a solvable problem.
	It's not that the laws of economics dictate that, no, no, no, no, no matter what capital can move, you can stop capital from moving and you can restrict it and you can impose conditions on it rather than allowing this insanity to continue.
	And you can make it become more efficient and labor becomes better paid.
	And in the age of AI, defending H-1B visas for low-level technology jobs is just so mentally stupid.
	Further, he does go on to try and make the old libertarian argument that if you were to restrict the movement of labor so that you can pay your own American workers more, and so it can be jobs set aside for American workers.
	Well, this is going to be pushing up the price of products and therefore everybody's going to be paying more.
	And on your idea of the financialization of labor, the question then becomes, does this economic model still work when you're talking about pure service and pure technological products that you're selling, where there is no real, there's not as much of a cost to distribution?
	And also, and I hate to, maybe this is going to make me sound like a socialist, right?
	Okay.
	Maybe this is going to make me sound like a commie.
	I have never understood in the age of corporate CEOs who can jump from one business to another, potentially collapse the business and then jump straight to another business where they become a CEO or a high-ranking executive or jump into government regulation.
	Why it is that, okay, say that you do set those jobs aside for Americans and pay them a bit more.
	Why can't those bosses who are already multi-millionaire, multi-billionaires, why can't they just take a minor hit to their own pay packet to be able to set that money aside for the workers anyway?
	This isn't like a mom-and-pop store from the 1840s where they're opening up another shop.
	So they've got major profit, like really slim profit margins.
	So they genuinely can't afford it.
	And they're taking on huge risk.
	And if everything goes under, their lives are destroyed.
	We're talking about huge corporations here who are subsidized.
	If you look into the actual AI business bubble, it is a bubble.
	A lot of the funding is coming from open AI to fund companies like Oracle, like ChatGPT.
	It's a huge bubble where they're all financing one another back and forth.
	Not just that.
	The Federal Reserve is actively intervening in the stock market to boost the share prices of these companies and keep the founders ridiculously wealthy and make them even wealthier.
	So there is active intervention on the part of the government to prop up the share prices of these companies and to constantly save them.
	They're getting a steady stream of bailout money through the Federal Reserve's printing press.
	So it's a propped up fake bubble for a fake economy.
	Yes.
	Anyway.
	So like, why?
	So why can't you choose to employ Americans in a fake economy anyway?
	If the whole thing's fake and gay already, why do you then also have to have demographic replacement on top of it?
	This was what I was going to say is that they treat H1B visas as if they're a sort of inevitability, the only solution when actually there are other solutions available.
	You can create government incentives.
	So for example, if you sponsor Americans going through college, you can get tax cuts.
	There are lots of different things you can do to incentivize them training and hiring internally.
	And in fact, there's much more leeway with that.
	And it's much better to keep these tech jobs in the US using policy and incentives, because that's also a long-term strategy rather than just importing more and more people.
	I don't understand why you wouldn't choose that anyway, even with ideology, because it's such...
	Because financial capital has zero loyalty.
	Financial capital has zero loyalty, zero belonging, zero love.
	It doesn't come from a place where it actually wants anything good for the workers.
	It just looks at quarterly reports and share prices, and that's all it can ever think about.
	So the model itself is fundamentally broken.
	And it has to be fixed to become less financial, to become more national.
	And that requires aggressive government action against oligarchs.
	And this is the only way.
	There's no other way other than to sort of attack the oligarchs and tell them, listen, you move.
	You might find yourself falling out of a six-story window one day, huh?
	Be careful.
	But anyway, that clip was part of a larger podcast that Ben Shapiro did, 25 minutes of which are posted onto Twitter here, called Fast Facts, where he's trying to recontextualize himself and explain himself and say that his words are being taken out of context.
	Of course, to further explain the H-1B stuff, he uses the example of Werner von Braun as an example as a good case of brain drain from other countries for the benefit of the US, completely ignoring the huge difference in quality between one-off German geniuses, like actual scientific geniuses,
	and a load of foreigners from the third and second world who are mainly just here to crowd out American workers on entry-level tech jobs.
	And then he tries also to contextualize his statement on New York and say, well, let's play the full clip.
	And then you listen to the full clip and you go, that changes nothing.
	It changes nothing.
	All it is is extra waffle on top of the actual substantive content of the statement that he made.
	And when you're talking about H-1B, again, let's look at the actual arguments against it.
	Like this, that you kindly sent me this clip from Palmer Lucky, head of Angeril, which is a defense contract company in the US, letting slip a little bit about the H-1B visa program in California when he was still working there in Silicon Valley.
	There was a little bit of a debate on that, what, not too long ago, correct?
	You know, like the skilled immigration versus not.
	So that's true.
	The difference there is that H-1Bs are about whether or not they're like, it's on theory.
	Of course, there's so much H-1B abuse.
	You would not believe what I saw when I was in Silicon Valley.
	It is insane.
	It's obviously a program to try and replace U.S. workers with basically slave labor that can't ever escape.
	H-1B abuse is crazy.
	So just for context here, Palmer Lucky invented Oculus, which is a VR thing that you can use.
	It's now the MetaQuest.
	He's used it before, yeah.
	I haven't.
	And if, and now he's building all kinds of advanced drones and missiles and crazy technology for the USA to prepare for a war with China.
	So in terms of genius, this guy isn't at Elon Musk's level, but he is much, much better than a Bill Gates or a Larry Ellison.
	Let's put it this way.
	In terms of actual engineering capability and genius.
	And if he's the one saying this is being abused to bring about slave labor, because when you're on H-1B visa, you're sort of stuck there indefinitely until maybe, maybe your children get American citizenship.
	I believe in H-1B, you're reliant on the company that you're working for essentially vouching for you to remain in the country.
	Exactly.
	I do wonder whether one of the internal arguments given to Trump for this is that, well, the Chinese have deliberately suppressed their wages to undercut American manufacturing.
	We've got to do this to compete with the Chinese and beat the Chinese, which is not the Chinese, they would have done so already.
	Of course, I very much agree.
	And similarly, at the same time as we're having to beat the, I saw the clip of Rudy Giuliani earlier today talking about the Chinese defense capabilities, how they're manufacturing all of this new defense technology that could pose a threat to the US.
	And the response to that is always going to be, so you want half a million Chinese students in the country learning the skills to out-compete you that they'll take back to China.
	A lot of the rhetoric coming from MAGA is inconsistent with the rest of the market.
	And the second part of that is that the Chinese weapons manufacturing now is moving massively towards automation and robotics and not Indian labor.
	If this was going to be a source of success, they would have tried it.
	But they don't try that.
	They even reject high-skilled visas in China.
	it's really unpopular.
	So if this is happening, if this competition is happening in the age of robotics, the last thing that you need is more labor.
	You need more capital.
	Cheap labor is the enemy of innovation anyway.
	Exactly.
	A point that Powell made very clearly and that's been known since, you know, forever.
	But returning to H-1B, there are the other arguments against it, which is just that this is a very interesting article by Matt Forney on his substack, The Visa Files, saying Indians are waging a war on America and nobody is doing anything about it, which is highlighting the abuse of the H-1B visa system by primarily Indians.
	We've already looked late last year at how they make up the vast majority of people using that visa scheme.
	And he cites an example here, which was a whistleblower, an insider at Fidelity Investments, saying that the whistleblower reports that while Indian candidates would perform decently in their interviews, they would suddenly become incompetent when they actually started working for Fidelity.
	Examples given include senior and principal engineers who couldn't perform basic tasks like merging a pull request or sending a message in understandable English, message attached below, for example.
	The whistleblower reports having to walk through and do tickets for senior engineers because they have no clue how to do them on their own, despite claiming years of full stack experience on their resumes.
	The whistleblower believes that Indians are taking over NTT and the company is a front to flood Canada and the US with Indians.
	You saw the other scandal where I think some Indian executives who are making the Indians who they hired pay them money in exchange for employing them.
	And it's a different culture, guys.
	It's not a culture of excellence.
	It's not a culture of integrity.
	It's not going to work.
	And I'll go on and just read out these next two paragraphs as well because they're quite informative.
	Matt Forney says here, I can confirm that Indians fake their credentials through my own experience.
	For many years, I worked as a college essay ghostwriter for various firms.
	Ghostwriters effectively help college students cheat by writing their essays and other coursework for them, usually via the legal loophole that the essays are for study purposes and what the clients do with them is out of the firm's control.
	The majority of ghostwriting clients are foreign students in American, Canadian, British or Australian universities, usually from India, Pakistan, China, the Middle East or Africa.
	And there's China again.
	I've seen this at university where there were Chinese students that could barely speak a word of English and all of a sudden they'd be getting really good grades.
	I'm like, how on earth are you doing that on a master's course?
	Incredibly complicated.
	Well, before Chat GPT, it would have been guys making money out of it like these ghostwriters.
	I've seen them advertised.
	I even had people approaching me after I graduated, actively seeking me out to do this because my grades won't be able to do it.
	There's more than one PhD graduate in Britain from top universities who cannot write three paragraphs.
	But they have PhDs.
	Impressive.
	That must have been some really great work to be able to get around the essays.
	Incredible work.
	Yeah.
	But he carries on saying, these people are either too lazy to do their own work or incapable of doing it due to their poor English.
	I've ghostwritten everything from computer code to legal papers to lab work for nursing students.
	These are the people who are going to be looking after you under their totally legit qualifications.
	And universities tolerate this, despite most universities mandating suspension or expulsion for plagiarism, because they either fear being accused of racism or can't afford to lose the students' tuition money.
	And this is what Donald Trump is trying to prop up with over half a million foreign students, particularly Chinese students, coming in to prop up an incredibly corrupt university scheme in America.
	He goes on to say the industry no longer exists due to the rise of ChatGPT and other LLMs that can do it for them.
	If you've ever wondered why nothing seems to work anymore, Indians are likely the cause.
	Something as simple as calling to fix your bank to fix a false fraud alert, which took maybe five minutes a decade ago, is now a protracted struggle where you get put on hold repeatedly for half an hour while the Indian customer service agent repeatedly confers with her manager because she's incapable of thinking outside of the script given to her.
	I experienced this myself working in a call center 10 years ago.
	We were the like English branch of it doing insurance claims, but if you had a customer service problem, you transferred it to the customer service call center, which was in India.
	And I was on hold more often than not for potentially up to an hour before, as the person on the other side was rude, was trying to do everything that they could to avoid taking the call, or just trying to put it off as long as possible by needing to speak to the manager.
	So I can confirm that this is exactly what happens.
	Indian truck drivers with fraudulently obtained CDLs have caused numerous crashes, injuries, and deaths, such as the recent case of Harjinder Singh.
	Indians have colonized entire industries in America through fraud and gaming the system.
	The Patel Motel cartel being a prominent example.
	That's a fun rabbit hole to dive down that we might have to at some point.
	There's even considerable evidence that the Indian scam calls and emails are the result of Indian contractors stealing Americans' private information, as many banks and other financial institutions rely on contractors or have outright offshored sensitive operations to India.
	So is this a great idea to be advocating for H-1Bs just because Donald Trump says they're a great idea?
	No.
	No, there's so much evidence against it.
	But a reminder, though, that Ben Shapiro in the past has shown that he loves the idea of ethnic handouts for Palantir, as long as they're, you know, for his group.
	That's always interesting, as Glenn Greenwald pointed out here, going back to 2023, when following the 7th of October, Palantir said, We're launching an initiative for students who, because of anti-Semitism, fear for their safety.
	Welcome to join Palantir, setting aside 180 positions for them immediately.
	Ben Shapiro, love this.
	Love this.
	Should those jobs be outsourced to H-1Bs, Ben?
	Or should they just be specifically set aside for you?
	If so, what's the argument against setting them aside for Americans who are experiencing all of the downsides, all of the downsides of the financialized economy?
	Will he address that?
	No.
	No, I very much doubt it.
	And then, if we go on to the Indian stuff, just very, very quickly, I know we've been going on for a little bit.
	There's the Dinesh D'Souza issue, which is related to something that you were covering earlier on this week, which is the Tyler Oliviera situation where he went to the poop festival and was going to make a documentary on it, but got threatened and doxxed by Indians who were threatening him.
	He did release it in the end.
	He did end up releasing it.
	They were making weird schizo posts.
	This guy, like skin-suiting Immanuel Kant, saying that, oh, he's got his sister's got an OnlyFans and an Indian boyfriend that he's so scared of.
	So he did this to try and humiliate the Indian.
	What the f are you talking about?
	This is all made up.
	Yeah, this was all made up.
	They've got this weird obsession.
	If you get them angry at you on Twitter, of just like bringing up OnlyFans for some reason, I assume because they're obsessed with it and they're all subscribed to it.
	I think lots of people have come to that conclusion as well.
	Yeah.
	And then out of nowhere, out of nowhere, after Oliviera reported on this and said that, you know, I am going to actually release the documentary in the end, Dinesh D'Souza just comes out of nowhere.
	It comes out of nowhere.
	Nobody said that he had to do this and says, how about commenting on this festival?
	Seems like the future belongs to the poop throwers.
	Dinesh, I thought you were all about like colorblind meritocracy, bro.
	Like, if you're all just, if colour doesn't matter, if race and religion and everything else doesn't matter, why are you so proud of this graph of median household income by ethnic group?
	Why are you so like, so clearly offended by this documentary being made in the first place?
	That's so strange, Dinesh.
	It's almost like when push comes to shove, people side with their in-group, even if they claim that they don't have one.
	What a weird thing to defend.
	Yeah.
	They always come out as blood and soil nationalists for their own group.
	Yeah, but he's positioned himself as a Christian and all of that stuff.
	And presumably a pagan festival of this sort would be as offensive to him as it would be to any other decent Christian.
	Why are you throwing shit at each other?
	It's disgusting.
	So to come out and defend this kind of thing is just so weird.
	And then he came out as well defending the H-1B thing, which I'm sure, I'm sure he has no personal reason why you would do that.
	It's just meritocracy.
	Saying, oh, many people, our education system sucks.
	It's all indoctrination.
	No real learning standards have plummeted.
	True.
	Those same people, is Trump seriously saying our graduates are not the best in the world and can do any job you can think of?
	Yeah, but when it comes to like tech jobs and actually technically demanding stuff, then Americans, by which I primarily mean white Americans who actually have to earn those positions in university and can't get away with outsourcing all of their grade and learning to ghostwriters and chat GPT, probably are still some of the best in the entire world and also, again, have been crowded out in the first place.
	There are so many young white American men who have the qualifications and the ability who just aren't allowed to.
	It's a bit hyperbolic because American education is still incredibly good.
	When you address it all by race, a different picture comes out.
	Yeah, and he said that you need to do William F. Buckley's rule.
	Keep a big tent, but exclude bigots, anti-Semites, and lunatics.
	And that's both morally sound and politically wise.
	Keep losing, folks.
	Coming to you from the guy who cancelled Sam Francis back in the 90s, who happily dogpiled on Pat Buchanan alongside William F. Buckley.
	Just keep doing that thing that you keep doing that means that you lose.
	People are sick of it.
	People are tired of it, which is why I can't go into the whole thing right now.
	It's almost two hours long.
	Tucker Carlson's rebuttal to all of this against Mark Levin and against Ben Shapiro was masterful.
	And I recommend that you watch this.
	But you see this and you see the diminishing audience share that people like Dinesh D'Souza and Ben Shapiro have.
	Shapiro, I believe, is losing about 10,000 subscribers on his YouTube channels every week now.
	You can see that Con Inc is not only struggling to get a straight message that appeals to people in the current climate, they are actively tanking their reputations.
	They are crashing and burning.
	And I, for one, am happy to see the rise of a more populist right that cares about people.
	And is trying to embody the spirit that MAGA started with before it was co-opted by Zionist interests, before it was co-opted by tech bros, and before it was co-opted away from the American people and what they need and what they deserve.
	Excellent.
	Absolutely excellent.
	Thank you.
	Let's go on to.
	Sorry, that took a while again, but I was afraid that we'd been struck.
	It deserved being discussed in detail.
	I'll go through super chats very quickly because a lot of people have been very, very generous.
	On YouTube, Gen Z from Liberal to Far Right by the right-wing coalition talks about the fact that today's conservative, basically just liberals, and it looks like the new, well, when Buckley took over the movement, that's literally what it became.
	That's what he was put in place by the CIA to do.
	And it looks like the new right-wing movement of Gen Z is going to be quite interesting.
	Certainly.
	Easy E unions have blocked technical innovation in American industry, meaning we don't have the skills to re-industrialize without importing talent to train Americans.
	Been out of the game for too long.
	Part of it, but there is still plenty of talent in America that could take on these problems.
	You could break the unions.
	You could break the unions, their union bosses.
	You could investigate them.
	You can recall them.
	You can do all kinds of things to them.
	One needs to ask oneselves why big business, religious charities, democratic activists, neocons, and libertarian think tanks, which disagree on every other issue, can agree on one thing: mass immigration.
	Great question.
	G'day, I think Ben Shapiro is part of an old age and he's trying to hold on as the right has moved on from him.
	He reminds me of people who are just trying to turn things back a decade or two.
	True.
	Chinese students in my engineering program were infamous for this.
	They'd submit work unrelated to the project.
	We'd redo their work so we didn't get expelled for plagiarism, which kept them enrolled.
	Yeah, the whole thing's a scam.
	On Rumble, Indian culture is not to become an expert in a given field, but to get the qualification.
	They will study the practice questions to pass the test in place of actual knowledge.
	I don't think that's unique to India as well.
	I think that's pretty common across all of those different nationalities.
	Elements of that, even in Britain, to certain extent.
	I think all of those people that Forney was talking about, the Pakistanis, the Afghans, the Africans, the Chinese, that's what all of them do.
	Wesley, made in America doesn't necessarily mean made by Americans, sad.
	A drunk changeling.
	Do the boomers not want to live near their grandkids?
	Do they want to grow old and die a thousand miles away from their children?
	Do they not understand the consequences of what they are asking for?
	Possibly some of them.
	Thankfully, my own boomer parents were not eager to be away from their granddaughter, so I don't have that problem.
	Do you want to get up, Firaz's segment?
	So what I want to talk about is student loans in Britain particularly, but the same message applies to America.
	And the message is this: student loans are usury.
	They are a sin against the youth.
	They are a sin against God.
	They should not even exist.
	What they are doing is trapping young men and women into debt slavery, sometimes for up to 30 years.
	And it's absolutely awful.
	In Britain, student loans started in the 1990-1991 academic year.
	There have been around 8 million people.
	There are right now, I think, around 8 million people who are still paying off student debt.
	And in England, there is 1.6 million every year, or in all of Britain, actually.
	In England, it's 1.4 million.
	With all of the other countries, it's 1.6 million every year adding student debt and entering into this program and borrowing.
	Anybody can apply, even if you have an ILR, even if you're not a citizen, you can apply.
	If you're a refugee or if you have protected status, you can apply and get a loan.
	And you can borrow both for your tuition fees and for your maintenance.
	That is your personal expenses.
	£21 billion every year are issued in new debt to students.
	And the total amount now is almost 270 billion pounds.
	So it's pretty much disastrous.
	The interest rates on these things are atrocious, between 7.3% up to 8% in August 2024.
	The lowest level is 4.3%.
	And that's a pretty high interest rate, all things considered.
	On average, in England, students end up with £53,000 in debt by the time that they graduate.
	This is the highest in the four nations.
	The lowest is in Scotland at £18,000 a year, £18,000 total debt.
	And the way that it works is that university fees are capped at £9,000, £9,250 a year.
	The rest is essentially subsidized and it's subsidized either by loans or by immigration.
	You also make an exception for tuition for Oxford and Cambridge as well.
	You can charge higher, which is interesting.
	Of course.
	The loan repayment period is 30 to 40 years.
	30 to 40 years.
	And students start paying if their income exceeds £21,000 in some cases, considerably lower than the median income, and £25,000 if they haven't gone for a graduate degree.
	They normally pay 9% of their income, meaning that the marginal tax rate becomes as high as 60% if you're lucky enough to earn that much.
	Meaning that essentially three out of every five days in a working week, you're just working for the government.
	I know.
	I have done that myself.
	Yeah.
	It's awful.
	It is awful.
	Now, government figures, I won't go through the links because we're short on time.
	So trust me, bro.
	Government figures say that only 56% of students are actually expected to pay their loans in full by the time the 30 years are up or the 40 years are up.
	If they've reached 30 to 40 years and they haven't repaid, then it's sort of written off and subsidized by the government.
	I had a very unfortunate situation recently where I looked at my student loan repayments thinking, I must have taken away a massive chunk of these by now.
	Surely, you know, it's been about five years or so.
	And I've seen all of these large deductions from each pay slip each month.
	You know, it's a considerable amount of money.
	And then I look at it and I've just been paying off the interest the entire time.
	And it's exactly where I started when I left university.
	So all I've done is it's not moved.
	Yes.
	So in theory, that's going to remain the same unless I earn astronomical sums the same until it gets to even then earning astronomical sums will only maybe start to break out of the interest payment.
	And there's an additional aspect to this that I think gets overlooked is that these loans are also assessed based on parental income.
	So I got the lowest loan I could have possibly got because of my parents' income at the time because unfortunately they retired only a few years after I finished university.
	And it meant that I was getting about half of what everyone else was getting, which seems kind of good.
	But in actuality, no one's paying off anyway.
	So it doesn't really matter.
	So all it was doing was punishing my parents for being successful, punishing me.
	And so I had to work 20 hours a week to pay my rent and pay for food, whilst other students could sit on their asses, quite often, not do their dishes in my shared house as well, and left me to do it.
	So I was having to do university work, additional work outside of work.
	So sometimes I'd be awake for 48 hours before I actually got some sleep because I had to go to my studies.
	I'd work a job in a bar that would stay open basically all night because that's the only job I could do that would match my university hours.
	And therefore, I'd be doing 48-hour shifts of university work and work and then going home and doing housework as well.
	That is inhumane, in my opinion.
	Listen.
	So, if you want to understand why the youth are radicalized, speak to Mr. Josh Firmer here.
	If you're going to university and your flatmates don't clean up after themselves, don't touch their dishes, only clean yours.
	Disgusting.
	That's just what you got to do.
	Now, of the 56% of students who are expected to fully repay their loans, they will only fully repay by year 31.
	So it's a sort of permanent burden that you're stuck with.
	And the other 44% who aren't expected to repay their loans, well, everything that they get, extra pay, that's going to sort of go into loan payments and they're never going to make it anyway.
	And they're never actually going to make it anyway.
	So it's an insane burden that students are being put under.
	Just want to show you a couple of graphs here.
	The loans are much higher than repayments, and interest is climbing at an insane rate, making this ridiculously unaffordable.
	Now, under the labor government, students are going to start paying pretty much when they hit the minimum wage, pretty much when they hit the minimum wage.
	The idea that this is some kind of subsidy that helps poorer students rise up the socioeconomic ladder, absolute nonsense.
	Absolute nonsense.
	All it means is that as they go above the minimum wage, they start paying a ridiculously high marginal tax rate because 9% of their income will be taken to pay their loans.
	Yeah, again, all this means, the fact that so many people are never going to pay off their loans.
	All that means, every single wage, every single payment that you get from your wages at the end of each month is going to have that student loan debt taken out of it.
	And that's never going to go away until 30, 40, 50 years down the line when they write it off.
	So that's always money that is being taken from you.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	So if you graduate with 50K in debt, as Nick Continent explains to us, you won't be able to get a job that pays you anywhere near enough.
	You will be effectively under a 60%, 50% to 60% marginal tax rate because everything else, all of the unproductives are being subsidized by the British government.
	Wonderful.
	And foreigners are being imported to be subsidized.
	Absolutely great idea.
	And then you get your phone stolen.
	It's because by design.
	Yes.
	It is very much by design.
	And if you think your chances improve by going to a top quality university, haha, no.
	No, they do not.
	This is, according to the Times, they did some Freedom of Information Act requests to investigate this question.
	And they find in a typical year, 57,000 graduates of the 24 universities that are referred to as the Russell Group, that is the top universities, typically start paying back their loans.
	Now this number has dropped to 44,000.
	So big drops in the number of students who are finding the kinds of jobs who will enable them to pay.
	And if they ever find jobs, well, they're going to be taxed into oblivion.
	I went to a Russell Group uni, and it was a brutal job market, even pre-COVID.
	People don't realize when you come out the other side that no one actually cares that you've been to university.
	Nobody cares.
	It doesn't really matter.
	Not just that, with a lot of the analysts that I was training, the first two years of training them involved undoing them brain damage caused by university education, making them see the world as it actually is.
	Because I was training analysts, political analysts, security analysts, et cetera.
	And the assumptions that they came out with with a university degree were just so stupid.
	And it took two years to just sort of clean that up, at least, and get them to think straight.
	So it's not actually a help, it's a hindrance.
	At least in my field.
	At the University of Oxford, the Times continues, the number of graduates starting repayments within two years of their degree dropped 31%.
	At Cambridge, it dropped 29% between 2019 and 2024.
	So the students who are borrowing money to go to elite universities aren't able to repay their debts.
	They will end up being employed at a lot less than what their degrees are presumed to be worth.
	And if they manage to climb up the income ladder, they are going to be taxed for it into oblivion.
	Add to it that women are a lot less likely to repay in full.
	So one government study that I have here is saying that only 10% of women are expected to repay their loans in full.
	Only 10% compared to 36% of men.
	This is based on previous figures.
	So it's really horrific that 90% of women, when they graduate from university and presumably are looking at whether or not to start a family, find themselves carrying an insane amount of debt.
	And if you're a man, you have to ask yourself, well, given the marriage market and how easily marriages are breaking down, do I want to marry somebody who is going to saddle me with debt and then take half of what I have?
	Like if I save this woman from her debts, is this in fact a good investment under the existing marriage and divorce laws in Britain?
	Big question.
	It's funny you say this because most of the women I know in my life that are doing very well for themselves didn't go to university.
	And in fact, are actually keeping a lot more of their paycheck than people who are very educated, got some of the best educations money can buy, but are stuck maybe living in London.
	Yep.
	Basically slumming it, living paycheck to paycheck, even though they're in a high-paying job just because the cost of living, the university tuition, you're basically a slave to the system.
	Yeah, it's the system designed to keep you poor.
	There are all of these different thresholds in England, whether they be a student loan threshold or a tax threshold, where it all is trying to even you out.
	Yes.
	It's trying to keep you at the same level of pay.
	So you get a little bit of a pay bump.
	Absolutely wonderful.
	But the tax might change a little bit.
	Maybe you've knocked yourself into a different threshold within the student loan repayments and it deducts just a little bit more.
	So maybe, maybe you get an extra three grand a year.
	Amazing.
	But actually, that will translate to 30, 40, 50 pounds tops each month.
	It's a disgusting system.
	And then you have to ask yourself, what's the effect of this on fertility?
	So somebody in the United States took the time to study the impact of different kinds of debt and to see what these do to women's fertility.
	And obviously, when they have student loans, that is associated with a decline in the likelihood of transitioning to parenthood, especially at high levels of indebtedness.
	So that means if you're in England and you go to a good university and therefore end up with a high level of indebtedness, you then become much less likely to form a family, to marry, to have children, to do the things that make life worthwhile.
	And what is the solution to that?
	Well, obviously, more immigration.
	That's the only solution to a declining fertility rate.
	It's not that immigration is causing it because a lot of jobs are becoming a lot less lucrative because of the competition for starter positions, because of the competition for wages.
	And given that immigrants like me will accept lower pay, the answer is to everything.
	Let's bring in more immigration.
	Let's bring in their dependents.
	Let's immediately go on, well, and we'll immediately subsidize them as well.
	Exactly.
	So to keep the system where university fees are capped, 400,000 students are coming into Britain every year.
	And that puts them on a pathway to go into the job market, to become citizens, to again demographically change the country and crowd out the native population.
	That's pretty much what's happening.
	And what this shows is that the whole education system is broken.
	What should be happening instead is the 10% top students should be, regardless of their income, should be getting something like full scholarships to go and study STEM.
	Universities that rely on importing people to remain functional should close.
	And yes, the market should set the price for degrees.
	And there should be a lot less people going into education.
	if you're getting a degree in i don't know spanish what exactly are your job prospects here if you're getting a degree in english literature what exactly are you or modern arts That's my favorite.
	Modern arts.
	If you get a degree in modern art, what you're getting basically is a pathway to working for Starbucks.
	That's where you're going to end up with a degree in modern art.
	And what are you doing in exchange?
	You are basically selling your future, selling your soul, making yourself into a debt slave forever.
	And it is very much a sacrifice to Moloch.
	You are sacrificing your children, your future, to get a piece of paper that increasingly means absolutely nothing because you're competing with the whole planet for the value of this piece of paper.
	Usury is a sin for a reason.
	There's a reason why God says don't do it.
	It's a transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich, from the young to the old.
	That's exactly what's happening with student loans.
	It's a horrible thing, and it's destroying fertility, and it's destroying the youth's lives, and it's making them into debt slaves whose only purpose is to repay what they owe.
	Stop doing it.
	End this whole program.
	Couldn't be clearer than that.
	We'll go through the Rumble Rants very quickly.
	Do we have any video comments, Harry?
	Because we do also have the discussion on Lord of the Rings after this.
	So we've got a couple of Rumble rants.
	Random name, those 48 hours of work just sound like white male privilege, Josh.
	Drunk Changeling says Sargon leaves for a day and the podcast reverts to Africa time.
	We know 30 minutes have passed when the segment ends.
	Hey, listen, all right.
	We were struck by foreign powers halfway through my segment, very early into it, actually.
	So give me some leeway, all right?
	Flavius Magnus, the world is like this and the boomers ask why Zoom is a radicalized left or right.
	That's always an excellent point.
	Exactly.
	And Blood for the Blood God, doing the same thing he did yesterday, sends in $200 saying more beer money for the back.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	That'll go straight to me.
	Thank you very much.
	And on YouTube, Dreadnought Logan says, my brother is 32 in 130 grand in loans and no degree.
	Yeah, it makes my head spin when I see the amount of debt that universities in America are getting people into because of the tuition fees.
	It's absurd.
	It's disgusting.
	I think I'm one of the few people that actually became radically right-wing from going to university.
	Yeah, well, you were also on a based course by the sounds.
	I was, yeah.
	Have you ever heard of Charles Murray in this book, The Bell Curve?
	There's some interesting graphs in there.
	You're given free PDFs of it.
	Amazing.
	I quite like this new word being bandied about, HRification.
	However, I'm not sure you grasp its full implications.
	A colleague once confided that HR were the enemy to be thwarted at all costs.
	I agreed because they were trying desperately to put a positive spin on the woeful mismanagement of the company.
	Supposedly, HR exists to use the resources of the company to develop the talent of its employees.
	In fact, they exist to protect the company from its employees.
	Realise this, and you'll be better able to understand what the HRification of anything means.
	I wholeheartedly agree.
	It should be obvious.
	Like, when you get called into a HR meeting, is it for your benefit or is it for the companies?
	Never your benefit, is it?
	It's worth doing a deep dive on a segment into the HR hiring manager.
	Awful human beings.
	Never found them useful.
	Harry might not like how Scrooge can dive through money, but compared to Scrooge's other escapades, that's actually quite tame.
	Scrooge discovered his money diving talent when some Iraqis tried to kill him by pushing him onto train cars full of money.
	But what really catapulted Scrooge's wealth was that he bought up everything on Wall Street during the market crash of 29.
	I gotta say, though, the comic artists were spot on with their rendition of protesters.
	I did not know the comic books had a law reason for why he can dive through solid money.
	That's did you complain about that as well?
	Because I did as well.
	I said he would break his neck.
	Apparently, the writers already thought of this, and they're like, no, he's just magic.
	It's just his magic money skills.
	I saw a video comment on Tuesday, and the thing I picked up on was, how can he dive into money?
	He'll break his neck.
	He said this.
	And I think everybody pointed it out because of the old family guy cutting away a gag where Peter tries to do it and then just breaks all of his bones when he smashes into the metal.
	Hey, Lo Ceters, I'm in Richmond.
	Do I even need to say anything?
	The beautiful castle at Richmond.
	Absolutely.
	preserved.
	And this is the view from the top of the tower.
	You can see a bunch of the rest of the castle walls all down there and the River Swale around there.
	And the town of Richmond itself with a lot of poppies on the church there.
	That's just fantastic.
	My Drew's blood is boiling, and I want to throw things at people besieging me.
	It's funny you say that.
	Because I went to Warwick Castle not too long ago and I got to the top and then looked down from the battlements and then my ancestral memory kicked in.
	I was like, I really want a longbow to see how.
	Stop picking people off, are you?
	It just was.
	It was weird.
	It was like I sort of saw red, but in a good way.
	Are you sure the French in you didn't want to pass wind in anybody's general direction?
	I don't have any French in me.
	Oh, yeah, I forgot.
	We confirmed that, actually.
	So you're alright for now.
	I've got one point ancestry to upgrade.
	I'm entirely Britonic, except for the 1.2% German.
	That's alright.
	That's alright.
	I'll make the trains run on time.
	You're not Italian.
	To be fair, they can't make anything run on time these days.
	Not anymore.
	South Italy, definitely not.
	Anyway, with that, that's all we've got time for.
	Thank you very much for joining us.
	And premium subscribers, make sure to tune in for the roundtable in just under half an hour where we'll be talking about Lord of the Rings and Josh will be explaining how no one understands it but him.
	And then it will break into fisticuffs between him and Luca.
	I'm pretty sure Luca and I will agree, but it might still happen.
	Who knows?
	It might still happen just for the fun of it.
	So it's a fight that I'd want to see given their different builds, you know?
	I would as well.
	Like the skinny guy versus the bulky guy, who wins, speed versus size.
	Yeah, yeah, it's excellent.
	So you don't want to miss that, do you, folks?
	So make sure to tune in.
	We've promised you blood.
	Yeah, thank you very much for joining us.

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