Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Tuesday, the 14th of October, 2025.
I'm joined by Josh and Dan.
And today we're going to be talking about something absolutely terrible and yet probably quite predictable that has happened in Europe.
And in fact, since we're on Europe, we'll move on to how Europe is doing really well in one country.
Yes.
That made some sensible decisions.
That country is Poland.
I mean, no surprise there.
They're about to pass our GDP.
I'm going to talk about that.
Oh, my God.
That's excessive.
It's also depressing, though, isn't it?
Like, sorry, how has Britain fallen below Poland?
It's not like I don't love Poland and the Polish friends and stuff.
It's just that, come on, guys, you know.
A bit of a repudiation of what we're doing.
We had a bit of a head start, didn't we?
It's why it's disappointing.
Exactly.
But also, they shouldn't be able to do it because they're not having immigration.
Well, they are a little bit.
But anyway, and then we'll end with the return of the male gays and the patriarchy striking back.
And CNN are sad to hear it, but it seems like it might be inevitable.
But anyway, without further ado, let's begin.
So meet Iris Saltzer.
She is the recently elected mayor of a little West German town, Herdeck, where she grew up.
She's the daughter of a steel worker, and she became a lawyer specializing in labour law.
She was actually a Green Party member up until about 2014, and then she switched to the SDP.
Really?
Where she became the mayoral candidate and now only won and she's due to take up her office, well, assuming she would make it now, on the 1st of November.
But the key point you need to understand about this woman is that she is morally better than you are.
I can tell.
Yes.
I mean, to the extent where she even adopted two children from war-torn bits of Africa, one from Mali and one from Haiti.
Did she not have any of her own?
No, well, I don't know whether she couldn't or just decided not to, but she thought the way to go was let's go to the worst bits of Africa, and Haiti, of course, and pick a couple of children from there.
I mean, would you do that, Josh?
Would you adopt an African child?
No.
I would like my own children that are genetically related to me.
Right.
Well, that just goes to show why.
She's better than you.
She is better than you.
That is morally in every way.
I'm evil and selfish for not adopting many Africans.
Yes.
Well, you obviously need to work on your morals, Josh.
It's the out-grouping group heat map, isn't it?
It's a pure out-group heat map on this.
Yes.
Yes.
But since Josh is lacking in virtue and morals, I mean, we do have a course for that.
Presumably this course, I mean, you know more about it than I do, Carl.
Presumably this course tells you how to adopt an African child.
No, but it does tell you how to be a good person and live a good life, if that's useful.
If anyone's interested in actual time-tested wisdom and instruction on how to be a good man, that's what this course was.
All woman.
All woman, yeah.
But there's only one way of being morally good, and that's to be left-wing.
But that isn't that then.
No, in fact, it's a complete repudiation of all left-wing morality that you have been saturated in your entire life.
How come we don't we haven't heard about this then?
Because Aristotle's science wasn't correct, but his morality was, his ethics were.
But come the Enlightenment and the overturning of Aristotle's science, which had occupied the academy for centuries up until that point, they also threw out Aristotle's ethics and decided they were going to create an entirely new frame of ethics, which we can call liberalism now.
And that's why Aristotle was thrown out.
But it turns out that actually that doesn't do anything good for people because what it does is impose a rule-based order, which just means that you're not bad if you don't break the rules, but you are not affirmatively good in any way.
So essentially, Vorsch is as good as you are in this new framework, which I don't agree with.
And in fact, when you approach it through the sort of Aristotelian lens, you realize how insufficient and vice-riddled someone like Vorsch is and how virtuous someone like the average father is.
Oh, well, in that case, it completely throws a spanner in the works of my segment then because I thought there was only one form of morality and it was left-wing morality and that the goal is to be as unracist as possible, which is what the Iris was achieving because she adopted a couple of children.
Like I say, one from Maddie, she's got a daughter, 17 from Mali.
Well, this is not her at 17, obviously.
This is her younger.
We've got a couple of pictures of the daughter.
There she is.
She liked to use the adopted children in promotional materials for a law firm.
Ah, right, okay.
So you've got to show everyone how virtue is.
Well, yeah, exactly.
Morality has to be something that you actively show people, I understand it.
There's something different.
The thing about virtue is actually it's self-evident.
So you don't need to show people that you are virtuous.
So when someone virtually signals, that's kind of the opposite of morality, actually.
Oh, that's I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.
And here's an oh, no, that's a slightly unfortunate picture of the daughter.
Okay, well, forget that picture.
We come back to the rest of this.
So, yes, these two adopted children, the daughter from Mali and the son from Haiti.
I think there's an interesting question here about nature versus nurture.
Let's start with just having a quick think about Mali, shall we?
So Mali is apparently well known for armed Islamic attacks, kidnapping, roadside ambushes, village massacres, torture, and extrajudicial killings.
So not very liberal democracy.
I think I'm going to strike that off of the countries I want to visit.
Well, it's funny you say that because the Foreign Office does have a travel advisory against it, which is advising reasonable, yeah.
Yes, advising against all travel.
I'm sure Callum's going to be there immediately.
Oh, no, he's got a little bit.
So that's the country in red there.
Don't visit all of that.
And of the capital, there's a little bit in the capital, just a little bit there, a couple of miles across.
Advises against all but essential travel rather than just all travel.
It's like a bat signal for Callum, that is.
That is, yeah.
It was absolutely essential you can go to this little bit.
But otherwise, do not under any circumstances go to Mali because of the reasons we've carved out.
And I would presume that that's also the capital that probably has some degree of European influence and compounds, keeping you safe from the outside.
Yes, if any bit, well, that's presumably where the head honchos are and the embassies and the whatever else.
So you can't even go to Timbuktu terrible.
Unfortunately not.
Unfortunately not.
And the UK Foreign Office, they advise.
Look, the problem is crime, terrorism, kidnapping, and frequent checkpoints and robots where you disappear.
So the problems.
Well, yes.
Not the problem.
Yes.
There are many problems.
Well, I suppose you might argue it stems from one underlying problem.
I imagine they've got a lot of underlying problems, to be honest.
Well, some, I mean, I wouldn't say this, obviously, but some people might say, well, the underlying problem is the Mali themselves.
That is one interpretation.
For the Americans in the audience, do not travel.
It's just do not travel.
They don't even make a carve-out.
And it's not COVID-19 that's the problem.
Yeah.
Mali map.
Well, I could expand the map.
It's going to be red.
Infer that for yourself.
And there was apparently a US State Department report last year which detailed killings, arbitrary detention, torture, abuse, allegations, and so on.
Right.
So Mali, it's a troubled region.
Troubled region.
For some reason, the Mali's are not behaving themselves towards each other, perhaps as well as they might.
So obviously, if you're a morally good person, you get one from there.
Then for the other one, to just round out the photos for a law firm, she decided to go for Haiti.
Which has got to be probably the worst country on earth.
Well, I mean, Mali seems pretty bad.
Yeah.
I would much rather live in Mali than Haiti.
I mean, they've eaten all the animals, cut down all the trees.
They eat each other and, you know, cats and dogs.
I'd rather live in North Korea than Haiti, and I wouldn't even hesitate.
North Korea is incredibly civilized compared to these places.
I know.
You just have to not offend the government.
I might find that a little bit different.
And also, the big difference with Haiti is right next door to the Dominican Republic, which is nice.
Well, it's the worst country I've ever been to.
But I'm sure compared to Haiti, I haven't been to Haiti.
I mean, for a Caribbean country, it's reasonably stable, isn't it?
Yes.
Yes.
You have a massive border against Haiti, as I understand it.
Yes, and you'd fall.
Lots of guards who stand on that border and seem to have a low opinion of Haiti.
Yes.
I didn't notice so many guards on the Haitian side, though.
It's mainly the Dominicans who seem interested in maintaining that border.
I can't help but notice that this is just a blanket travel advice against as well.
Yes.
So the Foreign Office advised you of mass kidnappings, mutilation, beheadings, mass rapes, public burnings, and massacres.
Was General Barbecue still in charge?
Yes, he's more successful than ever because the Kenyan peacekeeping corps were unable to capture him even though they killed those at his headquarters.
So General Barbecue is still at large.
If anyone at home is wondering how he got the name General Barbecue, it is for exactly the reasons that you think, yes, they actually are eating each other.
I did a segment once in which I had lots of heavily redacted videos of people in Haiti basically just barbecuing legs and stuff.
It's also worth mentioning as well that it's got the highest concentration of voodoo black magic of any country.
I was going to mention that Mali is one of those places where witchcraft is flourishing.
It's just a general part of the background beliefs of the people.
So it's entirely possible that someone will think that you're casting spells on them and take action against you.
I've heard as you should against the spellcast.
I've heard some say that this is the place where magic soil is actually made.
The UN warn of child recruitment by gangs, widespread abuse against civilians, and they talk about systematic terror tactics.
And again, for the Americans, the American advice is just again, a big red, do not travel, kidnapping and other stuff.
So in both cases.
The food might be slightly better, though.
Having eaten American food.
Yeah.
Just kidding.
Yeah, I think they'd both agree.
It's a soft-based.
It's not going to be factory farms.
I will have my mud cookies.
Thank you very much.
So the key question is, why are these countries like it?
And we've got two views.
We've got the obviously correct left-wing view, which is, well, Mali is the way it is.
Colonialism?
Well.
Colonialism.
Yes.
I didn't even say it.
How did you know?
That's the left-wing view.
Oh, right.
That's correct.
You got there before I could say it.
But yes, French colonialism is the reason for Mali.
And in Haiti.
Oh, it's the French again.
Yeah.
Slavery.
Yes.
You're winning me round.
It's the French.
They're to blame for all the world's problems.
Yeah, actually, I didn't think of that.
That is actually quite a compelling reason.
And the right-wing argument would be: no, Mali is the way it is because of the people who live there, and Haiti is the way it is because the people who live there.
Well, I mean, it's compelling.
I mean, Haiti was founded on explicitly murdering all of the white people in the country.
Well, yes, there is that.
And when they got ran out of white people, they murdered the mixed race people.
Well, just for good measure.
Well, that is possibly why the Dominican Republic and Haiti are so different.
In that, in the Dominican Republic, a lot of people there are sort of half-toned.
Whereas in Haiti, they're not.
And they have a pretty good incentive to keep the Haitians out, given their history.
Yes.
So I wanted to address the question of nature versus nurture.
Because there is this awful right-wing idea.
I don't know if you've ascribed to this one, Josh.
It's the sort of thing you probably would have thought about.
Where a lot of your nature is, well, it's nature-based.
It holds the view that intelligence, temperament, conscientiousness, aggression, and even political inclination are heritable.
Is that the sort of wrong-headed view that you would hold?
Well, some very bigoted people that I wouldn't necessarily agree with would even argue that it's about 80% of the equation in some areas, and it's actually a very significant part of it.
And of course, these bigots also point out the fact that your genetics come from your parents, of course, obviously.
But where they go wrong here is they say that, well, your genetics are also compounded by the fact that your parents' genetics also shape their environment, and so they reinforce one another, which, of course, is entirely wrong.
See, when I was doing A-level psychology back when I was like 16, we were told it was 55, 45 for nurture versus nature.
Sorry, nature versus nurture.
So it's slightly higher.
Because you could feel the sort of liberalism being like, no, no, no, it's not that much.
I mean, sure, it's a little bit, but it's not that much.
And now, is it 80% that's agreed with?
It depends on the domain.
But in some areas, yes.
Well, I do have a study on that.
I mean, I'll just mention the left-wing view.
So the left-wing view is Marxist cultural determination, where human behavior is moulded basically by the environment that you bring up in.
So it's sort of blank slate, you know, John Locke, Tabaraza kind of stuff.
The problem that they have with that is that essentially you can't, therefore, then pluck out some child at like, you know, seven or eight or whatever and expect them to have none of their original culture residing in their worldview.
Oh, well, I've got a study for that.
Oh, really?
I've got a study for that.
So there was a long-term study led by Thomas Bouchard out of the University of Minnesota.
And they basically looked at twin studies and also adoptions.
And this has been going on for decades, this study.
And he's been finding that the heritability of IQ is about 0.7, so very high.
It's about 70% then, isn't it?
And then the rest of it being made up of your diet, your environment.
Yes.
I mean, I can well imagine that being well-fed as a youngster will make a material impact to your IQ.
Yeah, I think there's a good way of framing it.
Is think about plant pots and plants, right?
So if you've got a very large plant pot, then the plant can grow to its maximum extent.
That might not fill the entire pot, but like, you know, the plant is not being inhibited by environmental factors.
But if you've got a very small pot, even if it's a very intelligent plant or a very big plant, it's still inhibited by the environmental factors.
So these are obvious.
There is something to the Marxist view there, that the environment does matter.
But of course, the evil bigots might have a point as well.
I mean, I suspect there's an upper limit that your genetics will give you.
And then pretty much good diet and upbringing will let you achieve whatever that is, which you wouldn't get any otherwise.
One of the problems here is that it's easier to understand the environmental factors because we come into contact with them every day.
They're visual, exactly.
Whereas we don't visually see genetics.
You actually have to either have modern day science or be a very thoughtful person to be able to tease out the environment from the biological disposition.
Just a quick thing as well, there's a massive problem with our actual understanding of other cultures as well, as in, like, the way that they look at the world is so metaphysically different.
I'll move your video on time now.
That was a good one.
Yeah, well, exactly.
It's metaphysically different how we view things.
And so you might offend against a series of strongly held beliefs that are not necessarily based in genetics.
They might just be based in the cultural factors that they've had growing up.
But you have no idea that you have offended against these beliefs because they're so alien to your own.
You've got no concept of someone thinking, for example, that they're moving backwards through time, right?
We view ourselves as moving forwards through time.
And so for us, the future is something that we possess and we can allot and we can actually have influence over.
But of course, if the future is something that just happens to you and you only see it as if it after it's happened and it comes past you, then you have no idea what that is.
There is only now and the infinite past.
Yeah, you have no idea.
But what that means is you have no idea what that person thinks.
You have no real model of the mind.
The key takeaway from that video of yours is that the Africans have no word for maintenance.
Yeah.
Because if a thing is working, why would you do anything to it?
Well, precisely.
But the point being is that you can't really predict what they think and they don't have any model of mind for what you think either.
So it's not like when people of the same stock growing up in the same civilization where they can view each other very predictably.
It's entirely alien and you will be surprised constantly.
Yes.
This study also found that in young children, the adoptive child tended to affect the values and manners of their adoptive parents.
However, by late adolescence, the correlation between the adoptive parents and the children had fallen to basically zero.
There's a critical period in children's development that's anywhere between maybe three or four to seven years old.
I think it's quite often depending on what you're looking at.
But anything after that point, they're going to have already had a significant portion of their nature defined for them.
It's why if you learn music before this critical period, they can have pitch perfect recognition of notes.
It's why if you learn a language, a second language, you can learn it as fluently and accentless as a native speaker.
And this has always been known.
I can't remember the name of the medieval monk who said, give me the child until he's seven, I'll give you the man.
It's been well known that this is the case.
So given all of this, we've got this great nature versus nurture debate.
And obviously, Germany is a lovely place and Mali and Haiti are hell holes.
How might we expect this daughter to turn out, given that she was, you know, she was provided a rich resource?
What age was she adopted at?
It was over 10 years ago.
She would have been around seven or eight.
Right, so after the primary formative years.
Yes, yes.
Well, I don't know how long.
I just know it was at least 10 years ago.
So it could have been a bit younger.
I'm not entirely sure.
This is a problem that we have with second generation immigrants as well, where essentially, because they're taken out of their cultural context, the actual there, like you don't understand that you understand your own civilization on an intuitive level.
You don't think about it, but you understand why everything around you is happening because it's just so normal.
It's always been happening.
And so you don't need to think about it.
But if you pluck someone out of, let's uncharitably say a more primitive culture and put them into a culture like Germany, You could see how that would feel alien to them.
Well, let's see if we can prove you wrong.
Oh, okay.
No, we can't.
German mayor was tortured for hours by her adoptive daughter, 17, who kept her in a basement and brutally stabbed her, leaving her fighting for her life.
So police investigations revealed horrific details.
So Iris Seltzer, who, of course, is morally better than us, was tortured for hours.
Now, I think we've got, yes, so we've got 13 stab wounds to the upper body, and apparently she used an aerosol and a lighter as a mini flamethrower to torture her hair and scold her and so on.
And this went on for several hours.
She was tortured in the basement.
We don't know what the involvement of the adopted son was, but it seems this was mainly led by the daughter.
You know, there she is, Iris, who's morally better than us, who adopted two children from war-torn areas and raised them the right way.
Very good.
Yes, the scene's there.
Apparently, they had initially made an attempt to clean up the crime scene, but it was a bit amateur-ish, and apparently, German forensics are reasonably good at their job.
So there's that.
And then there's a...
She suffered 13 stab wounds and skull fractures.
Right.
So some work was put into this.
They explained why they did it.
Well.
Why would two kids from absolutely hellish areas do absolutely hellish things if it's nature versus nurture?
That is an interesting question.
Well, the thing is, a lot of it might not be about nature versus nurture.
A lot of it could be about the story that they tell themselves, right?
As in, if you don't feel that you fit in in this civilization and it doesn't make sense to you, and this woman is responsible for plucking you out of the context in which you are actually naturally raised, and you are resentful about this, because obviously as a seven-year-old, she had no power over this.
So this was done to her.
I don't know.
Well, that's the thing.
I think a people builds a society that kind of wells from within.
Sure, but the point is, I think there's a specific story to what has happened here.
Oh, there may well be.
I don't think we can actually make just broad generalizations on it.
This is something about, I mean, you know, generalizations will apply, but this, I think, is not just a random accident of chance, right?
No, but I mean, I suspected that she had adopted, say, I don't know, a Japanese child and a Swiss child.
I imagine this, possibly, I mean, I don't know.
I don't know.
Again, I would want more details, but there is good news, though, because apparently they were going to call it attempted homicide, but they've lessened the charge because basically after several hours of torture, the 17-year-old decided to give it up and ring emergency services.
And it was considered a resignation from the crime.
And so because of that, they're not going to be arrested.
Jesus Christ.
They're not going to be arrested.
So they're free to roam.
Not quite.
Not quite.
They have been put in the care of youth welfare services.
Lucky men.
So, you know, obviously an unfortunate outcome for Iris, but at least she wasn't racist.
And she survived.
Well, there is that, yes.
So that's good.
I mean, not being racist is by far the most important thing, as we know.
But yes, I suppose surviving as well is also an important consideration.
Martin's got some interesting stuff about this.
So, you know, apparently the socialist mayor had been going to the police for some time asking for help because she did not feel safe around her daughter.
And apparently less than 24 hours before the attack, she went to the police and saying that she thought that her daughter was a danger to her.
And of course, the German police did exactly the right thing and probably called her racist and sent her on her way.
And less than 24 hours later, she was being tortured for hours, tied to a chair in the basement.
But she did get some good shots for a law firm.
Oh, this is good.
Out of that.
So I don't know.
We will have to ask Iris in the future as to whether she thinks it was worth it.
This is what I mean about, like, you don't understand what these people take offence to.
As in, you know, I don't know why she's done this, but it's obviously something that built up over time.
As in, the way that this girl felt she was being treated did not meet the dignity that she expected.
And the liberal, anti-racist German mayor had no idea what the problem was because she comes from such a foreign culture.
Yes.
Well, you would have thought the magic soil would have done its job, but maybe it didn't.
Yes, so...
Oh, she didn't have her own children yet.
Did she say that?
No, yeah, no, did not have her own children.
Right.
Well, I mean, I mean, why would you need to when you can just import them?
Yeah.
This was a fascinating detail.
So this girl is now going to be kept in basically special arrangements to look after her.
You know, we're not going to bother with the resting thing, but we are going to need to provide for her.
So the total bill is apparently something like 36,000 euros a month.
Do you earn 36,000 euros a month?
No, you bloody don't.
Well, that's the thing.
You see, 12,000 a month for staying in a secure psychiatric facility.
No, that's my favourite bit, the psychiatric facility.
Right, okay, so she's just mad then, maybe.
And this is the problem that the liberal state has.
If I can't understand the metaphysics of another culture, they must just be mad.
It's like, no, we just have our own view and they have very different views.
Well, why don't we classify all of Mali as a psychiatric facility then?
Every single one of them would be if they were brought here.
Yes.
And subject to the standards by which we consider sanity.
There's an additional thing that's seriously wrong here, that a woman can go to these parts of the world, adopt children, and then all of a sudden the burden of the German taxpayer.
Why should the German people pay for these people?
They're not from there.
They're obviously not of Germany.
Germans tend not to do this to one another.
I mean, that's exactly the point I'm coming to, actually.
So another 21,000 for security guards and 3,000 for the adopted son placement.
So we're looking at that.
So I worked it out.
The average German worker pays somewhere between 8,000 or 9,000 euros a year in taxes.
So basically from now on, 50 German workers, their sole function is to provide for these adopted children that the socialist mayor decided to bring over.
And then you've also got to take into account there's a bit of extra cost this year because of course there's the police operation, there's the healthcare needed to bring her back up to full standards.
There's the air ambulance, there's the ICU, there's the rehab, there's the extended forensics.
And you're looking at, you know, conservatively half a million for that, if not more.
So you've got another 60 German workers who all they're going to do this year is pay for this event, and then 50 workers for the rest of their life, all they're going to do is basically provide for these immigrants that the socialist mayor brought in.
And I have to wonder if there is possibly a lesson for the West in this.
Quite possibly.
But at least she isn't racist.
Post the mas.
The Engaged View says, Mali sure has dropped off since Mansur Cusa.
I guess the trade in Sultan Slaves just isn't as lucrative as it once was.
Must be a little difficult life for Elon to be a dilettante, constantly being made an asshole of by his own employees because he can't bother to watch what they're doing.
I have no idea what that's about.
The Bonsol bomber says, I can't watch live today, but can I have a birthday shout out to make it a good one, please?
Or happy birthday to the Bonsol Bomber.
And on YouTube, we're in that moment when everyone realised pro-wrestling was fake.
Kind of, yeah.
If you don't believe how strange a world we currently live in, try counting how many times you censor yourself online.
A tick will do after a week.
Reflect.
Well, every day all the time, basically.
And good morning, Mr. Personality.
And the people of Mali have teeth, breeding habits, and appearance.
Well, I'm not going to say that.
But Samson's enjoying it.
Right, let us move on.
Okay.
And let's try to keep it tight.
That's all right.
Yeah, no worries.
So Poland, I think, is a lovely country.
Just look at this picture.
I mean, who wouldn't want to be there?
I'd love to sit there, drink a coffee right now, maybe have some lunch.
And do you know what you would feel?
You'd feel safe.
You'd feel happy.
There's a beautiful area.
It looks clean.
It looks tidy.
It looks orderly.
It looks like a country that actually functions.
I mentioned in the last segment...
I can't even imagine what that's like.
Oh, I've forgotten.
I mentioned before, Dominican Republic was one of the worst countries I've been to.
Poland is probably one of the best.
It's just nice.
And what's interesting about Poland is it doesn't feel overcrowded either.
No, it doesn't.
It was a Krakow, and for a capital city, it was very spacious.
And I mean, my experience being of London, I thought underpopulated.
But that's probably how things should be.
No, it seems very nice.
I've never been.
I always have had it on my list of places I want to go.
And it seems like a country that's got things right.
And it could be because they pay attention to things like this, ancient Greek virtue ethics.
And this is, of course, Stelios' new course.
If you want to learn the wisdom of ancient Greece from a Greek himself, you would find no better than to sign up for this course.
And he also has a seminar at 6 p.m. our time on Thursday if you want to ask him some questions about it, as well as ask him some questions about philosophy more generally.
So make sure to check that out.
But anyway, the reason I wanted to talk about this was this, that Poland is nearly as rich as the UK.
And this article does not answer how has it caught up so fast.
It's just like, well, it's invested in infrastructure, which I don't think is nearly as much of the picture.
I think there's far more to it than that.
And I'm going to read just a little bit from this because it's not a very good article.
In 1995, Poland's GDP per capita was $13,600 in today's money.
About 36% of Britain's and roughly the same as Brazil's.
Today, Poland's figure is $44,500 or 81% of ours.
It may soon pull level.
Since the end of 2019, Britain's GDP per capita has grown by less than 1% in real US dollars.
Poland's has grown almost 18%, nearly twice as much as that of the US.
But we had so much immigration.
I know.
You'd think we'd be so successful.
It's our strength, after all, diversity.
But it's our superpower from Zach Polanski.
It turns out our superpower is poverty.
So I've even seen people speculating, and I'm not sure what figures they base this on, that they might overtake us by 2030, which is very interesting because, of course, we had such a head start.
And of course, I'm not going to bemoan Poland doing well.
I'm happy to see you do well.
We're countries with a good friendship.
We helped you out in World War II.
Every poll I've met has been very nice.
And so I want you to do well.
The polls are great.
The question isn't why is Poland doing well?
The question is, why are we failing?
Well, I think by looking at how Poland is doing well, we can answer that question anyway.
And it's also worth mentioning as well, this is towards the end of this article.
In some ways, Poland is already ahead with faster mobile internet, cheaper electricity, and more high-speed rail, which is interesting, isn't it?
The cost of living is just very reasonable out there.
You'll have a night out, your meals, some drinks, and it just doesn't cost much.
It's also worth mentioning as well.
These are maps of terror attacks.
Look at something that they've not had.
Here's another map of terror attacks that's a bit more extensive.
Look at that big empty spot where Poland is.
I hope the Polish people in the chat are just sat there swelling with pride and grinning.
You should be.
You deserve it.
Absolutely deserve it.
Obviously, you can see the Middle East is just chock full of red dots.
Northern Ireland, of course.
Corsica there.
Bosnia.
Looks like Eastern Ukraine.
And even bloody Sweden and Norway, I mean, they've got some.
I mean, even nice countries like that.
I wonder what this correlates.
Sweden's 30% Muslim now.
It's unbelievable.
It's genuinely unbelievable.
We think we've got it bad at, what, 6.65%, at least in the official figure.
It's probably higher with illegals.
And also with Sweden and Norway, the reason there probably aren't more dots is because nobody's living in most of it.
Well, there are.
There are Swedes living in most of it.
The major urban centers are congregated.
You can see the big red dot in Malmö, for example, can't you?
And here's another one.
So it seems like there's unanimity amongst the people.
A couple of graphs.
Yeah, we do.
Funnily enough, it's Birmingham and London.
I wonder what's unique about those parts.
A lot in Bristol, too.
A couple of dots did get close to Poland.
They just couldn't quite cross that line.
I wonder what's going on in that line.
Is there a terror attack in the ocean?
Yeah, I don't understand that one.
I guess it could be piracy.
It's the Dutch again.
That's what it is.
And here we go.
This is a bit zoomed in.
If you could zoom out a little bit, Samson.
I can't possibly think of why there's no terror attacks in Poland.
I couldn't put my finger on it.
But I've strangely found this picture in here.
But I found this.
This is from 2023, so it's a little bit outdated.
But it's still interesting.
Here's a demographic breakdown of Poland's minorities.
And I'm going to read a little bit of text underneath it.
It says, among Poland's population of just over 38 million people, the overwhelming majority, 97.6%, declare Polish as their primary 97.4% or secondary 0.2% identity.
Right, so it was like England in 1980.
Yes.
And you see here these two minority groups here, Silesian and Kashubian.
Obviously, you've got German, Ukrainian, Russian.
What is a Silesian in a Kusubian?
I thought you might say that.
So here is Silesia.
is just a bordering land of the Czech Republic and they are basically Poles but they're sort of like an ethnic wait wait so even their minorities are Polish?
Basically, yes.
They are distinct.
Technically.
It's kind of like us having an Irish minority in England.
So you've got like, I don't know, 500,000 Irish or something.
It's kind of that for them, I think.
Yes.
Well, I mean, there was a time, of course, when the issues that we had were like, I don't know, the Irish or something, or the Welsh.
Not really the Welsh, but definitely the Irish.
Yes.
Even then, not the worst problem you could have, it turns out.
But what about these Kashubians then?
Yes.
I'm sure you've maybe not heard of them.
Well, that's where they're from.
They're also a Polish majority.
Yes.
And those were the two major groups.
The Silesians and Kashubians speak Polish?
I would presume so.
I think that all of the groups within Poland speak Polish.
Right.
But they have, I suppose, distinct ethnicities and cultures, but they're still very similar.
Yeah, they overlap a lot with the Poles.
But can you still get diversity as your strength if your minorities are actually Polish and they speak Polish?
Not really.
You've got a diverse variety of Poles.
Yeah, I don't think that's how it works, though.
And, you know, you do get people trying to get into Poland.
Here are some.
If we can keep this muted, ideally, because it's got some annoying music in the background.
Thank you.
Here are some lost tourists trying to find their way into Poland, and the Polish border guards are kindly giving them a much-needed shower.
Isn't this where the Belarusians were trying to, and the Russians are trying to get Middle Eastern migrants into Poland?
They funneled them across to the Polish border and the Poles are like no.
I mean, this is a very different approach than some other European countries, isn't it?
See why they're not having terror attacks in Poland.
I know.
I mean, also, look at it.
It's sort of like a scene from The Walking Dead here, isn't it?
So based.
So you can do that as border.
So why can't we have gunships in the channel?
Yeah, but they didn't even need to be gunships.
You could get a little Royal Navy little cruiser thing.
You could put some of those water cannons on it, and you could just be like, turn around now, you're going to get squirted.
Great question.
Again, if you're Polish in the chat, just smile, just have a good time.
We are so envious.
So, so envious.
Here's another example.
Samson, could you work your magic?
This is another one where there is music.
I'm sorry But here are We're not going to cut through that wall are we Are we?
These are just some lost tourists trying to find their way to the country.
And the very helpful border guards pull up immediately and direct them back to where they're looking for.
Here they are.
They're just going to store face down for a while.
Yeah, they're just having a little rest, obviously.
It's very tiring.
And these helpful Polish border guards are going to send them on their way.
So based.
And there's also been some recent news.
I just want Poland's border policy.
That's all I want.
This is only a couple of days ago.
Poland says it will be exempt from EU migrant relocations.
Oh, I thought it's Poland says.
No, no, we're going to be exempt.
We're going to be exempt.
And this is the thing about all of these, you know, the ECHR and all that.
There's no enforcement mechanism.
You can just choose not to do it.
And nothing can happen.
And the wonderful thing is, Poland received lots of money from the EU.
And then whenever there's something the EU makes them do that they don't want to do, they just say no.
Well, the Germans said, oh, we all need to take our fair share of migrants.
And the Poland's like, no.
Because I remember hearing the opposite a week ago, but obviously they've had to think about it.
It's like, no.
You remember that campaign against drugs when people are in school where it's just say no?
Yes.
That's what Poland is doing.
And it works.
And here's another one.
Poland proposes tougher rules for foreigners to obtain citizenship.
This was only a few days ago.
When do those rules kick in?
Because I'm just wondering whether I should make the jump now.
You might be able to get in there quickly.
Yeah, you might be able to get it even after the rules.
The new measures would increase the minimum residency period from three to eight years and require applicants to take a test providing, no, proving, I can't read for some reason, they are integrated and sign a declaration of loyalty.
Basically, they have to speak Polish.
Yes.
And they also have to sign a declaration saying they're going to be loyal to the country, which, although symbolic, I think is an important step.
And also, they actually do things about people trying to break into their country.
Here's another story from just a few days ago.
Poland charges gang accused of issuing fake university documents to allow foreigners to enter EU.
So yes.
Turns out if you have laws and enforce them and borders and patrol them and, you know, a productive citizenry and protect their interests, things go well for you.
It's funny that, isn't it?
And in fact, Poland issued the fewest residence permits to immigrants in 10 years.
And that was in September that this news came out.
Right, for helps, I mean, we issued the fewest residence permits to immigrants in the last five years.
And it went from a million to half a million.
Checkmate Poland.
Oh, fuck.
Makes me feel so much better.
I know.
I'm so sick of watching other countries just dominate us in this kind of thing.
It's like, look, we could just do all of this.
We could do all of this.
But Poland has done the exact opposite of what we're told GDP is.
That's correct.
They have done precisely the opposite.
Well, this is going to blow your mind.
You're going to have to pinch yourselves.
Polish property firm to reward customers who conceive babies in its hotels and apartments.
Oh, very basic.
Which I never thought I would read.
So I was amazed by that.
I was doing it for free.
What?
How do they know?
I guess you have to tell them.
I don't know whether they're going to have a judge with a clipboard.
It's like, hmm, yes.
But it says, in an effort to tackle Poland's demographic crisis, one of the country's largest hotels and real estate firms, I think it's Arch or Archie, has announced that it will offer rewards, including cash payments and free parties to clients who conceive babies at its properties.
It will also offer bonuses to staff who have children.
But it does imagine.
So, good for them.
The company notes that for the last 12 years, the annual number of deaths has exceeded the number of births in Poland.
So, a private company here is taking the demographic crisis upon its shoulders.
Actually, to be fair, that is really 1.1.
That is devastating.
So, that basically means that you start with two grandparents, then they have one child, and then you don't have.
So, you quarter, you cut your population to 25% within two generations.
I mean, ours is like 1.5, 1.6, which is not great.
But that is really bad.
I suppose the difference is that all of those will actually be Polish.
There is that, but that's...
At least you'll have a Poland at the end of it, yeah.
The company notes that this decline would have a negative effect on public finances and services, quality of life, and also the economy more broadly, including its own business.
Look at this, a company that actually cares about the country it operates in.
In an effort to raise awareness of the issues and seek to mitigate the problem, it has announced a series of rewards for clients who conceive at its properties.
Guests who do so while staying at one of the group's 23 hotels, all of which are located in Poland, well done, will receive a free family party such as baptisms at one of its properties.
This is quite possibly the most based thing I've seen.
Do you actually need to rent a room?
I mean, next time I go on holiday to Poland.
You get a free baptism.
I mean, and their relationship with the EU is also incredibly respectable.
So, obviously, they get a lot of money basically in reparations from Germany, which is funny.
They get the most.
And this is 2023, same time as that demographic data.
Are you jesting there?
Is it do they actually get reparations?
No, no, no.
I'm joking.
Okay.
I thought the Germans did pay the Polish.
did actually, but I'm just saying that I thought they'd run out by now, I'm going to look it up I'm going to look it up, yeah.
But another thing that they do, here it says, EU launches legal action against Poland over lack of climate plan.
I think this might be why they have cheap energy.
You're both googling here.
I am.
Poland is the only member state that has failed to submit the document, the final deadline of which had passed well over a year ago.
So they've got this climate plan that the EU is trying to push on everyone.
And even though Poland benefits the most financially from being in the EU, they are the ones that tend to thumb their nose at the EU and say, actually, no, we're not going to have your silly climate plan.
We're going to do our own energy policy.
And lo and behold, they have cheap energy whilst Germany has an energy crisis.
So I just looked it up.
And Poland demands reparations, but the Germans are refusing to pay.
No, those stingy Germans, eh?
Well, we're asking for 1.3 trillion.
Still more reasonable than Lenny Henry, isn't it?
18 trillion.
Way more reasonable.
0.25 times the British economy.
And Germany actually did do something to Poland within living memory as well.
It's not like, you know, Lenny Henry, what happened to him?
Nothing.
He was raised in bloody England.
He was given comedy shows and made into a multi-millionaire.
Yeah, exactly.
He was made rich and famous.
And for that, he wants 18 trillion.
So because they don't have the eco-climate stuff ruining their energy policy, they receive money from the EU.
They run their country competently.
What they do now have, they have a booming space industry.
What?
Here is a poll in space.
There is an old meme about this about Poland not being able to get into space.
And here we are.
And in fact, I believe it was the first ever Polish mission to the International Space Station launched in June.
So well done.
Bravo.
We don't have a bloody space program.
We have one in Cornwall, but it's part of the EU.
I think it's a European thing, and they just launch them from...
We do fund India, and they have a space programme.
Yeah, that's a massive mistake.
To be fair, coming back to the German point, most of Poland actually is just German, isn't it?
Because they redrew the boundaries a couple of years.
It was German and then they expelled the Germans.
Yes.
Well, I guess they're all German minority.
I mean, the last segment was kind of an example of what happens when you've got Germans being run like Germans and Poland's example of Germany but not being run like Germany.
Well, they're not German.
So the territory that the Germans had incrementally conquered from the sort of Slavic tribes over the past thousand years was basically very quickly taken back.
Oh, they all left all day too.
Well, they didn't leave.
They were kicked out.
I would be remiss not to mention this.
This is personal remittances, which if you're not familiar what a remittance is, it's money being sent back home.
And you can see this big old spike around here.
When we had millions of Polish people come over here on Warsaw.
Yes, but the thing is, most of them went back home after they left the EU.
And you see it go back down again and their economy is still growing, even though they're not getting that much money being sent back home.
You know, it's only 0.9% of the GDP per year.
This is a potential fix to our situation because all we need to do is make Pakistan as rich as the UK per capita and then they just all leave.
Are you making the argument to build that airport in Mirpur?
Well, for a start, yeah.
The wonderful thing about the decline is that it will incentivise everyone to leave, except the British, who are going to be saddled with all the...
Oh no, it's incentivising them to leave too.
I mean, hundreds of thousands a year.
Well, it's not like 90%.
We can go and get window cleaning jobs in Poland and send the money back home.
Yeah, checkmate Poland.
And here's something that Callum spotted recently.
Someone just leaving a set of keys by a door on a street with a lot of foot traffic because it seems like if you have a country that's just made up of the people who, you know, the Poles who the country is named after, there is high trust because they are the same people.
That's also impressive coming out of the post-Soviet era as well.
Because one of the problems of the Soviet Union is the destruction of social bonds.
And so a lot of the Eastern European countries have a problem with trust.
So it's great to see that they're coming out of that.
And another thing that they've done well is comparing sexual assaults for the sake of YouTube.
Well, we're like the highest in the developed world now.
So in the year 2000, for Poland, it was around 2000 and a half.
And it's been cut by 53% to 1,127.
In Britain, it was around 8,000, of course, larger population.
But it is now 68,000 and has gone up 692%.
I wonder what has changed in these years.
Well, and whatever changed in the UK clearly didn't happen in Poland.
Diversity is our strength, Josh.
Yes, I guess so.
And I wanted to end on a nice positive note.
This won't get copyrighted because it's Chopin, who's one of Poland's great composers.
And it's just lots of people sat around in a...
It might still get copyrighted, so I'm still going to mute it.
Okay.
Okay.
Just to be safe.
But it's very pleasant.
Just imagine you're listening to Chopin's nocturn number two in E-Flat Major.
I'm sure you're all familiar with it.
But here is Poland.
Notice something about all the people here and how nice it is and how clean it is, how everyone is behaving civilly.
Also like Kulsa, that is the most crowded bit of Poland.
I didn't see any bit of Poland remotely near as crowded as that.
There's obviously something going on here, right?
Like a recital or something.
Yeah, they're playing music at the minute, just in a park.
So you could just walk into a park and stumble across this, and it's a nice little alcove of civilized society.
Yeah, I mean, this is what England used to be like.
I remember seeing stuff like this in my childhood.
Yeah.
And not so much anymore.
And finally, I wanted to point out, here is just a street in Poland.
I'm not going to play any audio or anything.
Look, everything looks nice.
Everything works.
Everything is clean.
Everyone is behaving themselves.
My delivery driver was a Polish man.
This is what mass migration has taken from you.
And well done, Poland, for staying strong.
I know there's an immense amount of pressure on them, but it doesn't have to be the way it is.
Look at Poland.
Look at how successful they've been.
You can extrapolate the success of Poland and see that how much wealth, how much security, how much safety, how much quality of life has been robbed from you by having mass migration imposed upon you across Europe, across America, across most of the Western world.
Poland has avoided this and has succeeded.
And I'm very glad for the Poles.
But this should also be the birthright of every European, every American, every person in the Western world.
And this has been robbed from us.
Wesley says, even if you make Pakistan rich, they'll never have a judicial system as forgiving as the UK's.
Yeah, that's obviously very true.
Lord of Nothing says, update, my card game store is open, not to the point of paying myself, but I'm a local businessman.
Well done.
The Forsaken says, a man whose handle is Death to America in Persian or whatever, is Palestinian.
I know who you're talking about.
Magbar America or something.
Literally means death to America.
Has gotten the ex-head of product to ban like three top-tier non-posters.
Yeah, he's a gay Palestinian who can't live in Palestine because he would be killed because he's gay.
He's a gay prostitute.
He wants us to cover it, which we may well do because it's genuinely quite amusing.
He constantly posts about how much he loves Palestine, but he just can't go back.
Because they'll kill him because he is a gay OnlyFans prostitute.
So it's just like, okay, there we go.
We also have a better immigration policy.
Just got stronger a few days ago.
Numbers are in the low thousands.
We're getting tax cuts by next year.
Well, I'm looking for tax cuts as well.
Yeah.
Just.
Okay, anyway, at least rapist cheese, Britain.
Yeah, let's move on because we do at least have some good news in Britain.
And that is that the male gaze is back.
The male gaze, after years of progress on gender, is back on the menu.
The patriarchy has returned.
And this is an article from Madeline Holcomb.
Is it possible to have a more whiter Anglo name?
I was just thinking that, actually, yeah.
My goodness.
She's basically just a little mommy blogger.
Oh, I've been to eight weddings, then I had my own.
Here's what I learned.
More than 99% of heart disease cases, blah, blah, blah.
Wellness goals.
Time to address your insomnia.
Why do you have so much problem with insomnia?
Just out of interest.
This is not an author that I think I've read before.
No, weirdly enough.
You know, old relationship dynamics remain even as women change outdated money trends.
You can see what that is.
Women are earning more than men and yet they still expect the men to pay for everything.
Again, you can see this receipts.
She's the most stereotypical 2016 feminist it is possible to be.
And it's incredible that such a person still exists.
The world has changed and she has not changed with it.
So why is she excited about the male gays returning?
Well, she's disappointed.
In fact, well, let's, in fact, go through.
This summer, I got cultural whiplash.
As a child of the 90s and early 2000s, I grew up with my mother's and grandmother's generation's fight for legal and workplace equality, helping shed social misogyny.
I was a 2010 Tumblr feminist.
Also, you know, is there anti-social misogyny?
I'm just confused by that pretty.
It implies the existence of it, right?
In the past decade in particular, again, since 2015, I saw the evidence of progress in my media diet.
The movies, shows, books, and advertisements I consumed were increasingly giving women a seat at the table.
As if when I was growing up, women weren't on TV.
I love the idea, but it just wasn't true.
Heroin Sheik fell away and body positivity entered the fashion world.
Stories about a woman stealing your man were traded for the celebration of the girl's girl who resisted competition for men's attention.
And when my husband and I got married, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Thought you didn't want men's attention.
What are you talking about?
Why are you following the patriarchy, getting married to a husband?
Are you not a strong, independent woman who doesn't need no man?
I thought that's what you were telling us.
Anyway, moving on.
Our vision of our life, what our life could be, included wide-ranging possibilities, influenced in part by the movies and shows we grew up with.
We saw, read and listened stories of involved fathers, successful mothers, and well-matched partners who supported one another.
It seemed like women were taking a deeper breath without such heavy cultural restrictions.
NPCs are real and they walk amongst us.
They write for CNN.
And then there was a shift.
And this is where the patriarchy strikes back.
Was it around 2024 presidential election?
That was probably about the 2016, 2017 presidential election, right?
Or the overturn of Roe versus Wade?
Or maybe when men's rights activists push back against me too.
My God, what era are we in?
This was only published the other day.
Whatever the catalyst, the change in the political environment seemed to connect with a social change that brought back narrow and at sometimes constrictive ideas of womanhood depicted in media.
Based.
I'm completely for it.
What's she talking about?
Well, because there's occasionally a good-looking woman in adverts now.
Yes, that's exactly what her objection is.
Oh, right.
This is something I constantly say to women, which is probably a waste of time.
But I'm just like, well, why are you concerned how the media depicts you?
Maybe it's just my brow-beaten way of like, yeah, the media depicts men terribly all the time.
Just have an internal sense of agency.
But literally, as Dan said, she is an NPC.
We saw, read, and listened stories of all these things, and we were like, oh, great, the patriarchy is over.
I'm now in the new feminist utopia.
And I can be a boss babe who gets married and works at CNN.
And we've split the bill with my husband.
It's hard to believe people actually exist like this.
Well, they do.
There's no internal thoughts.
It's just sensory input translates directly to internal dialogue.
It's fascinating.
I need like a correct.
Without any kind of rational intercession, exactly.
And this is the thing you need to remember, all these past phases is everyone else has grown out of them, but you are going to get some people who are 2010 Tumblr feminists forever.
There's going to be some people who are stuck in COVID forever.
Yes.
And yeah, you see, like, you know, in California or whatever, people with their masks on.
You're like, what the hell's wrong with you?
The rise of recent weight loss medications coincided with social media influencers sharing ways to get smaller and no longer celebrating bodies of all sizes.
Oh my God, I can't believe that the celebration of morbidly obese people has not stuck with society.
Advertisements followed suit because it turns out they don't sell.
Actually, putting really attractive women and men on the advertisements is what sells things to people, which the advertising industry knew for the entire history of the advertising industry until about 2010 when insecure white women were like, actually, I'm feeling fat.
It's like, well, we've got a Zempic for that now as well.
So, you know, you don't even have to feel that way.
Why do we think this particular woman might be resentful of attractive women?
I don't know.
I think for her, this is all...
She's not an unattractive woman or anything.
So I think this is all for her a kind of academic exercise, theoretical.
She grew up with mainstream feminism, and now that has dissipated, mostly because women don't want it, which we'll get into very shortly.
She doesn't know what to do with herself.
But you see, advertisements followed suit, making men's desire once again a dominating factor in how stories are told and how women are portrayed.
Yes, because it turns out that women still want men.
And women want to be like, okay, being morbidly obese didn't get me the man, so I need something else.
The culprit, she has learned, is the male gaze.
It's always been there and now it's stepped back into the spotlight.
So she gets to the male gaze.
Obviously, she's complaining about the American Eagle Sidney Sweeney advert.
There was something called Elf Beauty.
I've never heard of this.
That had a comedian who made a domestic violence joke.
And there was a viral content around an OnlyFans star's attempt to break the world record for most sexual partners in one day.
Who was that?
the thing is name her yeah but the thing is bonnie blue did go on a podcast and say yeah but this is the most feminist you can possibly be Yes.
Like, she literally said, I am the end product of feminism.
Well, she's right.
I agree.
It's like a vanguard.
She's going to be so shocking that she's going to push people to traditionalism.
She was saying that she didn't want to sleep with illegal immigrants the other day, which is basically Bonnie Blue, the patriot.
I'm not endorsing her, by the way.
No, not in any way.
But the point is, she said of herself that I'm the M version of feminism, so what's the problem?
And of course, there is no problem.
It's just not exactly enhancing women's dignity.
And that's kind of what this woman's entire perspective is based on.
It's like, oh, I'm an independent, atomic human being who needs no one else.
But she made a lucrative career move more viral by bashing wives and girlfriends of her sexual partners, suggesting men cheating is the fault of women who aren't available enough for sex.
Well, I mean, that's Bonnie Blue's opinion, and you're free to disagree with it.
Most typically, the male gaze is about representing women in media solely to satisfy heterosexual men.
Good.
We're back.
If you're observing women in TV and movies, in movies, TV, fashion, social media, they don't feel to you as fully materialized as their male counterparts, then you have discovered the male gaze.
Men don't want that either.
Like, it's also a silly argument.
When I watched Alien, I didn't object.
I was just like, oh, damn it.
You know, Ripley is not an attractive woman.
Because the character was well written and the film was good.
I didn't really think about it.
I was absorbed.
It's because everything is forced and done so poorly.
I know what you're talking about.
When I was watching Predator, I was like, yeah, I feel fully materialized in this.
Arnold Schwarzenegger's rippled, you know, ripped and wandered around.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's me.
Apparently the film Alien was written for a man and then they decided to put in Sigorne Weaver and they didn't change a single line of dialogue.
That's how you do it then, I guess.
That's the way to do it.
But anyway, yeah, she carries on.
She complains about bomb girls and she's like, oh, the male gaze has always been around.
But of course, this comes from feminist theory, coined by film critic Laura Mulvey in 1975.
so you can see this is just entirely archaic because she's like oh no women look attractive and women like the first things i noticed as a kid is that on magazines aimed at men they have an attractive woman on the cover Yes.
And magazines targeted at women also have an attractive woman.
Yes.
So basically everything just has an attractive woman.
Yes.
But you know why that is, right?
It can't just be the male gaze.
Well, it kind of is, actually.
In a way, they're kind of right.
It's because men like to look at the attractive women and women want to be looked at by men.
Because men aren't buying cosmopolitan or whatever the other ones are.
No, of course.
But the point on cosmopolitan is this kind of aspirational thing, right?
It's like, look, women are very judgmental of each other.
And so women are aware of the kind of women that men are attracted to.
And they have lots of bad words for those women when they feel threatened by them.
And how to end up looking like that is the purpose of the magazine.
All these magazines, my wife buys these all the time.
You flip through them.
You see them.
It's like how to do this, how to lose weight, how to put your makeup on, how to do all that, how to be attractive to men.
Basically for research purposes, isn't it?
Well, the magazine.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, this is basically what it's for, yeah.
Oh, so actually the cover is supposed to be like a, you know, this is what you'll look like after you've followed the steps inside.
Exactly.
So we've got like Nigella Lawson on the cover of Cosmopolitan or something.
It's like, look, you could end up looking like her.
And this is her experience and how she became what she is.
And you know that the men who watch Nigela Lawson think she's a babe or whatever.
And therefore you can step into that role yourself.
That's what's being appealed to.
So the male gaze is not just about men, it's also about women.
And lots of women like, I would like men to like me because the validation makes me feel good.
And there are a slew of articles that we've covered before of women when they're getting older saying, oh, I feel invisible now because the male gaze is absent from my life.
Men are no longer checking me out as I walk past.
And it's hitting my confidence.
That's one thing I've noticed.
Whenever I walk past, well, I've seen a woman walk past a building site and get wolf whistled.
They are glowing.
Yeah, they love it.
They're so happy.
Well, I mean, it's complimentary.
Yes.
One phenomenon I have noticed is that if a man doesn't pay attention to an attractive woman, it drives her mad.
And they either think that they hate them or she's like, they're really interested in him liking her.
This is why you should never simp.
Simping is the opposite of getting a woman to be interested in you.
Anyway, so she carries on and points out that this is about power.
It's about power.
It's about the interaction between men and women.
It's like, yeah, but this is all normal and men and women interact and there is a power on both sides, which I don't think we need to explain anymore.
I mean, God, we spent a decade explaining that back in 2015.
And so she carries on.
Well, what about the female gaze?
It's like, well, yeah, there are women who are interested in stories that are not about men, right?
And so she gives examples of Greta Gerwig and her film Ladybird.
It's like, yeah, okay.
They're exploring the coming of age and experience of women.
It's like, yeah, there are films for women.
They're called chick flicks.
I don't understand why those films exist, like coming of age films more generally.
I know this is a bit blasphemous and there are some good ones like Stand By Me and the like, but surely if you're coming of age, you and all of your peers are having that experience, so you should have enough information.
It's like sort of needless.
I think it's a bit for social validation.
So make sure you don't feel you're weird.
Women don't gravitate towards these topics.
I know what women watch because I see what my wife watches when I'm not around and I walk in to find she's watching.
It's always something about a relationship or getting back together or it's always some relationship film.
Yeah, but this is a mother-daughter relationship, right?
Because women are not that kind.
Well, women are very relational people.
They're very social.
They express their social power in everything they do.
And part of their social power over men is the way they look and how men react to it.
This is a part of this thing.
Unless the mother-daughter relationship and the daughter was from Mali, then I'd watch that film.
Right.
But you've got, you know, bridesmaids and all these sort of things.
It's fun.
This is a totally normal genre.
There have always been chick-flicks that are for women that are focused around the normal things that women have to go through through their lives in relation to their mothers and their fathers and in relation to their husbands and whatever.
This is totally normal.
And so like parading this around like it's some sort of triumph.
Like, no, this is just normal.
This is just normal.
Everything's returning to normal.
The return of the male gaze is the return to normality.
And of course, she brings up the Bechdell test.
Does anyone know what the Bechdell test is?
Well, I think I do.
That's the one where there has to be like a, I don't know, a minute or something of two women talking to each other about something that isn't a man.
Yeah, can you imagine how boring that would be?
Yes.
But apparently many films fail this.
Watched Master and Commander the other night.
Definitely failed it.
Not a single woman in the boom.
Anyway, the pendulum is swinging back, as we can see.
So throughout history, the pendulum swings one way, then it comes back.
And that's true.
I think the pendulum is swinging back.
Decades of fighting for women's suffrage in the United States found success in 1920 that kicked off some of the relaxation and restrictions on women.
Instead of costed dresses, women opted for looser-fitting flapper frocks with boyish shape.
But in the 1930s, trends changed again, and women were more feminine, cinched waists.
So, yeah, but no one was doing that to you, right?
Like, it wasn't like the restrictions on women.
Like, there wasn't a law that said that women had to wear coarsted dresses or something.
But I think that men and women see restrictions differently.
I think, you know, we look at these sorts of things and say, well, you know, if we want to do it, we can, because men tend to be more discouraged.
I don't care what other people think.
Exactly.
And that's in many ways what women often find attractive about men.
Whereas women are, of course, different to that, which is no judgment one way or the other, you know, the differences complement one another.
If you let women pick their own clothes and they are choosing to dress more feminine, I mean, this is all building towards who wants to put women in burkers.
Kind of.
But the point is, you are right.
It's the tyranny of social opinion.
And the thing is, when it comes to clothes, men are really kind of not that judgmental about women's clothes.
It tends to be women who are judgmental about women's clothes.
But then World War II broke out and women were brought into the workplace in the 40s.
Fashion became functional, utilitarian.
But when the war ended, women were forced out of the workplace and became the 1950s housewife, the new old style of femininity.
But I love this quote here.
Historically speaking, there's almost always a backlash after women have achieved something.
Did you achieve World War II?
What are you talking about?
The woman's achievement is getting to be the 1950s housewife.
Like that's the achievement.
Where's the backlash when you say thank you, honey, for cooking these lovely cookies?
Like, this is the dream that some women got to live, that most women don't get to live, by the way.
Anyway, so...
Female achievement is finding a good husband.
Well, apparently it's going to college at higher rates than men.
The gender pay gap starting to close.
Well, it's inverted in some industries now.
And having children later, which explains the...
No, I think all of that is wrong.
Well, yeah.
And LGBTQ rights, which somehow has something to do with women, made strides and body positivity press companies to diversify depictions of beautiful people.
And this is the death of civilization right here.
This is what is killing civilization, right?
Going to college at higher rates than men means that women who want to marry a man they find more impressive than themselves have naturally narrowed their own pool of potential people.
Well, I saw in the last segment about how Poland we're talking about there, but many other countries as well have got a birth, you know, a reproduction rate of one, which means you quarter your population over two generations.
I mean, basically everything on that list is to do that.
Yes.
It's to make that happen.
I mean, no, actually, I don't care about overstating it.
Giving women rights is going to lead to the extermination of civilization.
Oh, I don't know.
Extermination.
I think it's a bit too hard.
The gradual collapse of civilization.
Right.
Because we go with the softer just a collapse then.
Yeah.
Because like, again, this whole thing, the women earning more money because they're better educated than men.
Okay, but they're not prepared to marry down.
So they're not going to get the little toy boys who sit at home.
They still, as she said in the other article, expect men to pay for everything.
If men aren't earning as much as you know, they can't.
All change their mind, but they do it now in their mid-30s and then desperately get the baby rabies of them.
Yeah, they're having children later, as she points out.
But then you can that's because they all realize it's a mistake.
But then you've got far fewer options, you end up having far fewer children.
And then, of course, body positivity tanked a bunch of companies, which is why the Sydney Sweeney advert came out and did a great job for American Eagle.
And so these trends are followed by the retro popularity of trad wives.
And it says with inspiration, actually, the virtues of being a woman in the traditional mold are actually something that's coming back.
And she complains about the adverts with women in, but we'll skip over that.
And she gets to the ideological gap between men and women, particularly younger ones.
Now, this is actually very interesting because the key findings here: Gen Z and millennials are more likely to think that a man who stays home to look after his children is less of a man.
Now, what's interesting about that is that's 27% of millennials think that the most propagandized feminist generation ever.
And 25% of Gen Zers.
That's disappointing.
Gen Z, what are you doing?
You think a man who stays home to look after his kids is not less of a man?
Are you what is wrong with you?
What it might be is that Gen Z, they still not necessarily establish themselves, and it's also more difficult, so I'm not necessarily blaming them.
They grew up in the wake of feminism, so exactly.
So I think millennials are sort of coming to the realization, yeah, actually, there is some truth to this.
Basically, though, three-quarters of Gen Z men are gay.
That's what so I did.
I did briefly do this when I retired from the city and I thought I'd just do investing from home.
I was home a lot, and then the wife had a little job thing that she liked to go and do, and so then I'd stay and look after the kids.
And so I did this about a year, and then I thought, no, no, you can quit your job and I'll just find a way to keep myself busy.
If you're a man watching this, you have to be the breadwinner, right?
Ideally, your wife earns zero and you earn all the money.
And no, but notice that Gen X's 20% were like, oh no, that's fine.
That's terrible.
And the boomers are 11%.
11% of boomers think that a man who stays home to look after his children is less of a man.
They're the most liberal generation that have existed.
I mean, it's nice that the numbers are trending in that direction, though.
Well, against that, yeah.
Yes.
But 89% of boomers are like, yeah, there's no difference between a man and a woman.
It's totally fine.
That's totally wrong.
They're off on their cruises, aren't they?
Slowly riding out the decline of civilization.
And they inherited the traditional way of life from their very conservative parents.
But the next one is good.
There's a 20% point difference between Gen Z men and Gen Z women when it comes to thinking that women's equality discriminates against men.
But even then, 40% of Gen Z women are like, yeah, this discriminates against men.
And 60% of Gen Z men are like, yeah, I'm being discriminated against.
So that's good.
And yeah, so that's interesting findings from her there.
And she goes on to point out that, you know, you've got people like Mark Zuckerberg who's like, well, we need more masculinity.
And in fact, there was another bit that I think I'll get to there.
Yeah.
Half people think that men are being expected to do too much to promote equality.
And less than two in five identify themselves as feminists.
And so you've got a large number of people who are just not into this, actually, and would like to live in a more normal way.
Anyway, so she's complaining about the pushback here.
And obviously, she's complaining that a lot of women are signing on to the male gays.
It's like, well, why would that be?
Why would it be that women are actually, you know what?
I like it when I'm the focus of a man's attention and when he gives me money.
Why would they want a traditional lifestyle?
What is it about that that works for them?
Well, it turns out that actually we tried feminism, right?
We tried it and we've tried it since the 70s.
And all it's done is made women really, really miserable.
Well, no, that's not all it's done.
Well, okay, that's not all it's done, but it's all women.
Yes, it's ruined Western civilization as well.
So it's also that.
Yes, there's a great graph in this.
If I can find it.
It's miles down.
There we go.
Female happiness.
There we go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Happiness by gender.
So as you can see, back in the 70s, while feminism was kicking off, people were relatively happy.
Relatively similar.
Women were in fact happier than men before the widespread effects of feminism took hold in society.
And then during the 80s, when women were as liberated as one could expect them to be, men became happier.
And then it's just been a downward slope ever since.
And then 2015, feminism came along.
And everyone was like, oh no, massive decline, but a bigger decline for women.
Women are not happy with the future the feminists brought about.
No one's happy, but women less so.
And of course, you've got satisfaction with present financial situation.
Despite earning more than ever before, women are far less happy than their grandparents.
Well, that's the problem, because they all want a man who owns more than them.
Yes, they do.
Men are the majority of the university attendance.
The burden rests on your shoulders, ladies.
Men, for some reason, are completely happy with this.
And I can only assume it's because a bunch of bros are sat around drinking their beers, playing their Xboxes, working their minimum wage jobs, being like, yeah, this is great.
What are you doing?
We don't need you feminists anymore.
We can enjoy our lives.
And we've got, you know, what feminism has actually gifted men.
It's the liberation of men.
Yeah, we now, you know, get to send you off.
We get some peace from you.
You get to chip in a bit on the bill so we get more to, you know, spend money with the bros and have a fun.
What this is doing is destroying civilization.
It is, yeah.
It's not good for either of us.
Men have to return to their position as the sole provider and breadwinner, but the person upon whom the responsibility for the household actually rests.
And women want it that way.
Even when they became the person who the responsibility for breadwinning rests on, they're not happy.
We're not happy out earning the men.
We're not happy with modern feminism.
It's made them very miserable.
I'm just going to read from the abstract on this because it's just remarkable.
And it seems like feminism at this point is completely indefensible, right?
Using data across countries and across time, we show that women have worse mental health than men in negative effect equations, irrespective of the measure used.
Anxiety, depression, fearfulness, sadness, loneliness, and anger.
And they have more days with bad mental health and more restless sleep.
Women are also less satisfied with many aspects of their lives, such as democracy, the economy, the state of education, the health services.
They're also less satisfied in the moment in terms of peace and calm, cheerfulness, feeling active, vigorous, fresh, and rested.
Differences vary over time.
And with models specification, blah, blah, blah, they don't carry on to say, you know, this is basically all things.
But as in the past, women continue to have worse mental health even after the pandemic.
Men's mental health bounced back after the pandemic.
Women's didn't.
And this is just all over the place.
It is worth mentioning that women tend to be predisposed to neurotic tendencies more so than men are at a baseline.
And so having these aggravating factors only makes it all the worse for them.
And it's horrible, really, because it's like society has been set up to psychologically torture them.
And it's horrible.
And I don't want that.
It has.
And that's what 2015 feminism is all about.
And so this woman complaining, well, the male gaze has come out.
Women are signing on to the male gaze.
Yeah, well, maybe because they want less anxiety.
They want less depression.
They want less fearfulness.
They want less sadness.
They want less loneliness.
They want less anger.
They want better mental health.
They want more restive sleep.
Knowing that actually their husbands are the ones taking care of these problems because their husbands are the ones who are equipped by nature to deal with it.
Because actually, this is what made men happy.
Men were always perfectly happy before feminism.
And now, well, look where we are.
Like, for men, this was always perfectly fine.
Look at all this.
All of this.
You know, when before, like, we had like full-throated feminism.
You could still live a traditional life.
It was all fine.
And everyone was happy apart from obviously.
It's pretty soft and the wife will come to me with some concern that she's got and I'll just be like, don't worry about it.
I've got it.
Yeah.
And that's my job.
And that's exactly to reassure your wife everything is fine and you can take care of it.
And now the women are finding themselves in that position and they're like, well, we don't have enough money.
We don't have enough money.
I watched a Cesar Millan video once, the dog trainer dude.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he was saying that if you don't show leadership to your dog, your dog will see the vacuum and feel the need to fill it in.
And that's incredibly stressful for the dog, especially if it's a little dog.
You're basically torturing your animal by not providing leadership.
not sure i want to compare women to dogs well i i was i was making a sort of broader psychological it's it's true of men as well to a certain extent i'm i'm I'm simply saying that it's torturous against them if you don't be the man.
I can dress up what you're saying in a more presentable way.
So, you know, when an organism, be it man, woman, animal, doesn't feel a sense of certainty and security in their situation, it causes them anxiety.
And having a sense of leadership gives you a sense of clear direction.
And that's, you know, true of us.
We talk about all the time about not having good leadership in our country.
So it's not necessarily gender specific, but there might be certain cases where it rests more on one side or the other.
I would like to just stress for the audience that I like both women and dogs.
So that was not a slight against evil.
Anyway, so the point that we come to, and the point that she's complaining about, is that the return of the male gaze, the traditional way that society is run, is because feminism has failed women.
It's made them unhappy.
It's made them fearful.
It's made them depressed.
And actually, a lot of them are like, Anthony, I kind of would like a man to pay attention to me.
And so the male gaze has returned and normality will return with it.
Let's go to the video comments.
That's nice and reassuring.
I know.
Nature is healing.
CNN's just like, oh, no.
Yeah, well, deal with it.
That article was so painful.
I can just imagine the glazed view of her husband there, like, yes, honey, sure.
Exactly.
It's all the way through that.
I imagine he's heard these sorts of things and he's just nodding like, of course, dear.
No, honey, I don't want you to dress sexy.
No, I don't want to look at you.
No, no, of course not.
That would be the male gaze.
You're a strong, independent woman.
Let's carry on.
Too often, flawed political spectra have strange orderings and feature the names of political parties.
Right and left only describe who is in power and who is not, concomitantly flipping the scale when elections carry a new majority.
I think our yardstick needs fresh gradations where conservative and liberal are not positions on the line, but forces acting upon it.
In the socialist phenomenon, Igor Shafarevich describes socialists becoming conservatives, desperately trying to preserve their twisted state.
Conservatives are the immovable object, and liberals are the irresistible force.
There's definitely something to that.
This guy's little mini-video essays are very good, aren't they?
They are very, very good.
What was his name?
I forget now.
Alex Hoogle.
Ah.
Yeah.
He's very good.
I've always been sort of frustrated with the way that you have this linear political line.
It doesn't really map onto reality very well.
It's a very flawed way of understanding political differences.
Is there another one, Samson?
Okay.
To the website comments.
Kurt says, I feel like whatever judge or police officer decides to kick the can down the road and spare that girl from prison needs to be held responsible for whatever crime she commits in the future.
Well, the thing is, being 17 means she's going to be exempt from a bunch of more serious charges anyway.
So that's quite silly in a way.
I know by that point, by 17, you know that torturing your own adoptive mother is wrong.
So I think that you can hold someone morally accountable.
If you're able to torture someone, you should be held morally accountable, family.
Exactly, yeah.
And she might have been like a week away from her birthday.
Yeah.
And it makes all the difference.
Josep says, liberals will see a place like Mali and believe that it was ordained by the universe.
It would always be like that.
And that not the people there made it like that.
Well, that's the thing.
The interplay between the sort of nature of the people there and the culture that they produce and then the inheritance of the culture itself is so unbelievably complex.
The idea that you know, oh, just pluck them out and let's be normal elsewhere.
It's like this is such an obvious boondoggle.
As I keep saying, they're not like us and you don't understand it.
Well, people also misunderstand the liberal principle of being equal before the law and people being equal interpersonally.
Like, you know, both are wrong-headed, but also the interpersonal one is completely insane.
Like, you've got to be equal before the law, but that's come English.
So obviously I think that should be the case.
I think that there should be some degree of special dispensation for the native population, as in you should be punished more if you're a guest in the country for doing something than if you're a native, not that you should be more lenient.
Lots of Asian countries are like that.
I would never drive in an Asian country because they kind of have the philosophy that if there was an accident and you're in it, irrespective of how that accident happened, the fact is that because you were there, it could happen.
And if you weren't there, it couldn't have happened.
And therefore, it's your fault.
Even if somebody just rear-ends you.
Which is funny, but I don't really want to end up living in an Asian country.
No, but I'm just saying that they are able to adopt this attitude and it works for them.
Whereas we kind of take the complete opposite stance, which is always the native's fault.
Well, you say it works for them.
There isn't a single Asian country I'd rather live in than England in the 1990s.
Yes, but we don't get the option of living in England.
Well, we can make it happen.
We can bring it back.
I think the problem is that we've just allowed this.
None of this happened to us by accident or through immutable forces of the universe.
This was all done by policy.
And so it can be reversed by policy.
Hector says, What I got from this segment is I need to establish a witch hunting organization.
This is clearly a gap in the market.
Well, I mean, there is in Europe.
Michael says, to Josh's point on raising children, my stepson grew up in Japan until he was seven, came to the US, went to school, kept his Japanese language and culture, and is now a fully integrated, i.e., right-wing American citizen.
While my daughter was raised in a bicultural household, is bifluent and also, oddly enough, right-wing.
It's almost like, I don't know, maybe it's nature and nurture.
It's obviously both have an effect on the way people turn out.
But honestly, though, in the individual case of that woman being stabbed up by a daughter, I reckon that it's the daughter not being like a woke German.
And like trying to say this without being racist to Germans.
There's a kind of browbeating liberal that manifests in German culture worse than in our culture because they have an expectation of rural following.
And I have this Kantian objective rule of all places.
There was that great quote by Lenin, wasn't there?
That if the Germans were going to have a riot at a train station, they'd buy a ticket first.
Yes.
It's very much that kind of way.
And so if you apply that to a girl from Mali who has rules, but they're not formal rules.
They're social rules, like relational rules, tribal rules.
You could see how being the adopted child of a German liberal woman could feel like a fucking prison.
Oh, and it would for me, and I'm from Mali.
Right.
And I would hate it more than anything.
And I'd hate that woman too.
You should read some of the letters from the 19th century to European powers from West African kings complaining about liberalism, just saying it won't work on us.
It doesn't work.
They're brilliant.
I've been reading them recently because I've been writing an article about Lenny Henry.
I'd love to send it across for you.
That is hilarious.
But that's the point, right?
The imposed rules of the German liberal feminist.
I could see that driving someone mad.
Anyway, Luca says, Kazubians are a separate Slavic people with their own language.
They all speak Polish, though.
Tuskers are Kazubian.
Sorry, Kazubians.
Silesians are also a separate Slavic group that they are integrated.
They have a Polish-German language of their own.
I'm not part of Poland for most of our history.
They voted to go back to Poland after the Great War.
Right, that's interesting.
Thank you for the history.
But basically, yeah, their minorities are Polish.
I can't believe there's a whole two new races I never knew about until today.
Yeah.
I've heard of Silesian sausage, which is particularly good.
That's how I've heard of it.
All I know is Silesia.
It's a delicious food.
But honestly, the whole sort of Central and Eastern Europe, the foods, sausages are great there.
Really, the best part of German culture are the sausages.
Roman Observer says the enforcement of the international rules is called the financial pressure.
Some countries can resist, others cannot.
I, too, am envious of Poland's border policy.
Who isn't?
Lots of people saying very nice things about Poland.
So we'll skip on to the male gays because I don't want to remind myself that I live in England and not Poland.
George says, feminists hate men everything they enjoy, including pretty women.
Hence the male gays.
Oh, yeah.
This is feminism, I would say, is a large-scale form of female intra-sexual competition where dowdy normal women attack attractive women and try to ruin it for everyone.
Yes, I mean, well, I did that brokenomics with the very basic Australian doctor on that.
And she's basically saying that the whole idea of feminism is to get everybody else to believe in it, but don't do it yourself.
Yes.
Hence, the woman writing the article got married.
Yes.
You obviously like the male gays a bit.
Bit of patriarchy there.
And how much does being an artist, a lifestyle article writer for CNN actually pay?
This sounds like very much sort of like a make-work job for a modern feminist woman.
I think it was something like...
About her husband's in tech or something.
She was...
She was saying that for men, it doesn't make sense to try and limit each other's reproduction because reproduction is so easy for us.
But for women, as long as you can suppress the rest of them while still having kids, resources come to you and not them.
Yeah, absolutely.
Which kind of makes women just look inherently destructive.
Well, this is why we had lots of rules about these things.
I mean, this is why the Germanic societies think adultery is the worst thing you can do.
And even now, it's still hugely fanned upon.
Well, that's the what you know that South African town, the white-only town?
Yeah.
They have only had one crime.
Yes.
And that was a guy went off to America to earn money for his family, came back and found his wife had cheated on him.
So he killed her.
Yeah.
Well, I'm not going to judge.
Glad you said it.
Michael says, are women getting more college degrees?
Well, yes, they tend to be degrees in lacking in practical applications.
Humanities, gender studies, fine arts, etc.
So, a woman has a degree like this, can only work as a barista, looks down on men who are plumbers, janitors, skilled tradesmen.
But this is a problem for women.
Well, it also becomes a problem for men.
That's the thing.
And that's the point.
And Jordi Salzman says, But everything changed when the Sydney Sweeney nation attacked.
Well, that's the thing.
Sidney Sweeney is the herald of the return of normalcy, right?
The return of patriarchy, the return of a traditional way, relationship between men and women.
Whether she means to be or not, it's just.
And the thing about Sidney Sweeney, I'm sure she's not a political person in any particular way.
She just doesn't seem to hate men.
And that's enough.
That's literally enough.
I'm an attractive woman who doesn't hate men.
And men are just like, thank God.
Thank God she exists.
And women are like, hmm, maybe I could be like her.
It's like, yes, you could and should.
It's not that aspirational, is it?
Just not really.
Don't be that fat.
Don't hate men.
You get a lot of people saying, well, Sydney Sweeney is not that good looking.
It's like.
She doesn't need to be.
Yeah, she's still hot, and it's that she's not.
She doesn't seem like a giant bitch.
Yes.
That's the thing that's really appealing to me.
You're at least middlingly hot and not a giant bitch.
Yeah.
Just like that, and that makes you more attractive than otherwise.
Quite an easy thing for most people to attain, to be honest.
Just take care of yourself and be a nice person.
Not that hard.
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