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	Hello and welcome to podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1269 on this the 8th of October.
	I'm joined by Bo and Nate.
	Why is everybody in the comments mentioning state of politics?
	Everybody's talking about this new channel state of politics.
	Do you know anything about that you guys?
	That's very kind of you Dan.
	Me and Nate do have our own channel.
	It's called The State of Politics.
	Check it out on YouTube.
	Consider subscribing.
	It's well good.
	It's proper good.
	Brilliant.
	There we go.
	Based.
	Double X recommended from the panel.
	So, yes, check that out.
	So we're going to be talking about how the liberal narrative has completely collapsed.
	How the Green Party is a bit of a clown show, apparently.
	Oh, yes.
	Okay.
	Well, let's find out if you can back that up.
	Have you got any evidence for that?
	And you're going to be talking about the alien invasion, which is scheduled for Thursday.
	Yes.
	There's something unknown hurtling directly towards Earth that's going to impact us.
	We're all doomed.
	Yes.
	Well, that is bad news indeed, but we come back to that because, yes, we've got to cheer people up a little bit before we get to our impending doom nation.
	Damn nation.
	No.
	Is it doom nation?
	I want doom nation.
	Yeah, that should be a word if it's not.
	Make doom nation great again.
	Yes, that's what I want.
	But no, total narrative collapse, which I'm going to tell you.
	And why do we have total narrative collapse?
	It's because, well, for the reasons that I'm going to go into, but also because we have forgotten our morals.
	And that is why I'm going to tell you about our new course before we go any further.
	Stelios, our resident Greek philosopher, has teamed up with Carl, our resident, who's got a master's now, hasn't he?
	Yeah.
	And they are talking about all of the ancient morality that the ancients knew and we have forgotten.
	And Carl did explain it to me, but the short version is that today you're supposed to be good.
	You've got a long list of rules.
	And if you don't break any of the rules, then you're a good person.
	So it's a constrained morality.
	Whereas the ancients, for them, morality was a product of your deeds and actions.
	It was how you lived that made you good.
	So essentially what this course is going to teach you is how to be good.
	Now, if you're a bit thinking, well, you know, a university-level course is a bit daunting, we'll just sign up to the webinar and you'll get the key information on that, which is on the 9th tomorrow at 6 p.m.
	So go there, put your name in, email, press the button, and you can join the webinar.
	That's free.
	Yes, and you can learn about it.
	I'll be on one of those in a couple of weeks' time as well, by the way.
	Oh, very good.
	Very good.
	Watch this space.
	Right, so total narrative collapse.
	I'm going to refer you to the case of this chap here.
	This is, I mean, it is.
	I mean, it's very tragic, but also it's almost comedic, the level of narrative collapse that this story has given to our current liberal elite to try and deal with.
	So every drip, drip of this case has just completely exterminated everything that they've been pushing at us.
	That's an odd-looking belt he's wearing, isn't it?
	It's very avant-garde.
	Yes.
	Maybe it's a saturday or something.
	I don't know.
	You see these fashion shows and you always think nobody's going to wear that.
	Maybe he's the one guy that did.
	It's a new design of Bumbag, Fanny Pack.
	Whatever.
	That on a jog.
	The centex.
	It looks like cotton wool buds, but I know.
	Well, he was a fake anyway, wasn't it?
	But no, remember, this case started off as a man has attacked a synagogue.
	Oh.
	Yes.
	Just a man.
	Now, the BBC, I mean, they know how this stuff operates.
	So immediately they started attacking the far right.
	Sky News did as well, I remember.
	Well, the Sky News actually kept on calling it an attack on a mosque because if there's a story about a Muslim guy and it's bad, well, it must be an attack on a mosque.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	And then photos emerged of this chap with a big beard with, as you say, avant-garde taste in belts.
	Couldn't possibly be a Muslim, though, based on his image either.
	I remember.
	No, he's white, right?
	He's white.
	Yeah.
	And this emerged.
	And bear in mind that this happened just a day after the Labour Party conference, where they had spent the previous week hammering home basically one message.
	That it doesn't matter if your name is, was it Shami?
	What was our home secretary?
	Shamuj?
	Shabana Mahmoud.
	Shamana Mahmud.
	It doesn't matter if your name is Shamama Makboud.
	Jihad al-Shami or Bob English.
	All three are equally as English as each other.
	So right after that narrative, we get this guy emerge.
	Then, and then it emerges that his name is literally Jihad.
	But I thought that was, I thought that meant like, you know, internal struggle or, I have it on good authority.
	The police that says that that's definitely not a holy war.
	Definitely no violence involved.
	When I ran it through the Google Translate, it came out as Holy War from Syria.
	Oh, that's different then, isn't it?
	And then it emerged that Holy War from Syria had been granted British citizenship.
	So somebody at the Home Office was looking through the list of applicants and saw Holy War from Syria applying to live in Manchester right next to a massive Jewish area and was like, yeah, get me my green stamp.
	Done.
	Yeah, this is, yes.
	What could possibly go wrong here?
	Right.
	Then it emerged that actually one of the two victims was shot by, not, well, was killed not by him, but actually shot by police.
	Is that true?
	Because I heard that at one point and then they stopped, people just stopped saying that.
	Is that definitely true?
	Well, the police said so.
	Okay.
	Yeah, the coroner's examination revealed that it has wounds exhibited, like gunshot wounds, basically.
	It's that one.
	The coroner has found he's getting shot.
	And since he didn't have a gun and no officers did, we therefore conclude.
	And Mr. Jihad wasn't armed with a firearm.
	No.
	No.
	So that then explodes the narrative that the correct thing to do is for the state to have a complete monopoly on violence, for everybody to completely defenseless, because you can just rely on the state to dish out violence judiciously.
	Now, I'm not saying against the officer who, you know, very unfortunately made an error and he's going to have to live with that for the rest of his life.
	And it is tragic.
	Sure, he didn't do it deliberately.
	No.
	No, it seems unlikely.
	But nevertheless, it does explode the narrative that the state having a total monopoly on violence is perhaps not the most robust case that you could possibly make.
	Then it emerged that he was out on bail.
	I didn't know that.
	Really?
	There's even worse just than that.
	I don't know if you're going to say the even worse thing.
	You say the even worse bit now, just in case I have missed it.
	Oh, so his ex-girlfriend has revealed that she reported him to the police because she was being shown terror materials by him and he said he wanted to join ISIS.
	So she reported him to the police and they did nothing.
	Yeah, I mean, interesting choice, isn't it?
	I mean, I remember when I was...
	Meanwhile, he's raping.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	I remember when I was a younger man, I might sit down with a lady friend and say, let's put this video on.
	That kind of thing.
	Whereas he sits down with his girlfriend.
	It's like, I've got some beheading videos out of Syria.
	Let's watch these.
	And she was like, hang on.
	Hang on a minute.
	I'm not up for that.
	Darling.
	This is a step too far.
	Do you want to watch some Peshmerga armoured personnel carriers being blown up by ISIS in 2014?
	Can't we just watch?
	You don't.
	Can't we just watch a Hot Invivers VHS or something?
	Or, you know, can't we just do what my normal boyfriends do?
	But no, we've got to watch beheading videos.
	So yes, this guy was known to police.
	Well, he should have been known to counter-terrorism police.
	That's the thing, right?
	So when I say worse than being, you know, graped, that's obviously not worse than being graped, obviously.
	But I guess what I meant is that's a fundamental failure across the board, isn't it?
	That's one of the worst failings because when she reported him to the police, at that point, they should have kept an eye on him, which probably would have actually prevented the future grape, which he was out on bail for.
	And then which of them you'd think would have then prevented this, but it wasn't.
	So it's just systematic failings.
	Did you even really get bail for a serious sex crime like that?
	I don't know.
	But anyway, you don't.
	I don't know the details of the case.
	He's got a beard, so.
	You don't get bail if you're British.
	If you're Bob English and you tweet something, you won't get bail for that.
	The problem.
	Yeah, right.
	One of the problems is, though, that someone reports a gentleman like Mr. Jihad to the authorities.
	And they're like, yeah, we know there's like 70,000 of them.
	There's no possible way we can watch him 24-7.
	So thanks for letting us know.
	1% of the UK Muslim population is on the terrorism watch list.
	1%.
	And that is 300 times the rate of the next closest group.
	But even that is an undercount.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, yeah.
	Well, yes.
	This is exhibit A on the undercount.
	Even if a lady goes to the police and say, look, my boyfriend is making me watch beheading videos out of Syria, I think he's a bit suspect.
	They're like, yeah, it doesn't...
	It's got to escalate a bit more.
	It doesn't meet the benchmark.
	No, he's probably, he's probably just into that sort of thing.
	He doesn't meet the benchmark.
	Whereas, if a British person were to tweet something, you know, a bit, you know, showing reluctance to get on board with a liberal narrative, yeah, no bail for you.
	You're going straight inside.
	Thing is, another thing to say, to point out again, is obviously this man's a foreign national.
	I mean, if he's into ISIS Syrian beheading videos, if you remember the Beatles, Jihadi John, Mohammed Mwazi.
	He grew up here.
	He was actually born in the Emirates, but he came here when he was a very, very small child at primary school and grew up here, went to school here.
	He still decided to ultimately behead people.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Well, I haven't got to the end of my list of how bad it is.
	But after that, we then found out that somebody, and this hasn't been confirmed as him yet, but you know, how many Holy Wars from Syria are there in Manchester?
	Somebody with his name had been sending death threats to MPs.
	Oh, yeah.
	And again, again, that did not meet the benchmark of, yeah, we're going to add him to the 1% of, you know, the 70,000 people that we're watching.
	That contributed to that MP stepping down, didn't it?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Then we find out that his dad is an NHS surgeon.
	So the whole reason that we need to import millions of people is because the NHS will literally collapse if we don't import as many people as possible.
	Right.
	And his dad, yeah.
	Let's see, we've got a photo here.
	Surely sending death threats to a sitting MP is sort of immediate top of the list or near top of the list.
	Well, if you did it.
	Yes.
	Right.
	But obviously not if your name is Holy War from Syria.
	We have had MPs murdered.
	Yes.
	Haven't we?
	Yes.
	Like that.
	It's not like Amos.
	Not so long ago.
	His name was David Amis.
	Now this guy, this NHS, well, he's done a bit of NHS stuff, but he's also done some other work.
	And he is described as, I think Mary covered this quite well.
	He's described as a trauma surgeon for various NGOs.
	And she asked the question, is this officialised for Islamic Battlefield Medic?
	I don't know.
	Could be.
	It could be that, couldn't it?
	The one thing I think is, do you ever watch those films where, you know, somebody in the mafia gets shot or something?
	And they're like, take him to the hospital.
	And he's like, no, we can't go to the hospital.
	I know a guy.
	Yeah.
	And we go to a guy.
	I wonder if when things get lively, what is this guy's role going to be?
	Is he going to be the guy that you go and see?
	Like when Gus Frame got poisoned in Breaking Bad, he's got his own doctor on hand.
	Yes.
	Right, yeah.
	Yes.
	So, you know, and then, like, and as if this narrative collapse was not so complete and total at this point, the left were desperate.
	Oh, can I also just add?
	All gone then.
	We pay for his house.
	He's in a council house.
	Well, the surgeon.
	Yeah.
	Just want to add that.
	Surgeon.
	Add more anger.
	The surgeon is an account.
	Yeah, he's in a council house.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Just to annoy you.
	To annoy you.
	I'm 99.9% certain that is the case.
	I've read it.
	I've had a look.
	Okay, I did.
	Everything I could find, he was in a council house.
	I didn't know that bit.
	But I mean, that doesn't surprise me.
	I mean, this is total narrative collapse.
	Is he a first-generation immigrant?
	Was he born in Syria?
	Yes, both of them were, and they came over when the son was younger.
	Right.
	Right.
	Love it.
	Anyway, so the left was then absolutely reeling from this narrative collapse.
	And you've added actually a couple of bits that I didn't even put on the list, which just goes to show how complete the narrative collapse on this one was.
	But then a couple of mosques got set on fire.
	And the left loved this.
	And all weekend, my Twitter timeline was just one Labour MP after another saying, this is disgraceful.
	You know, we must stand up against this, the far right.
	They all managed to ignore the 400 churches that have been satellite in the last 10 years.
	Didn't you know?
	You're not allowed to ask questions about those aren't you?
	Yeah.
	None of those are arson.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Every single one of those is a spontaneous church.
	It has to be faulty wiring.
	And I'd imagine a couple of them were faulty wiring.
	It's funny how wiring has got so much worse in the last 10 years.
	Plus, a lot of like 17th, 18th century churches don't really have any.
	Right, yes.
	And they're made from stone, so if there was...
	Traditionally, stone is not that combustible.
	But anyway, so ignore the 400 churches that have been satellite.
	Focus on these couple of mosques that have been satellite.
	That fell apart as well.
	As reported here, a 43-year-old man, Arif Ali Rafiq, has been charged in connection to an attempted arson at a mosque.
	Right.
	I'm not getting strong far-right vibes from traditionally a British name, is it?
	No, it's not, it's not Bob English, is it?
	So, is it to try and frame the far-right, or is it like an inter-Shia Sunni thing?
	Do we know, do we actually know why he did it?
	Honestly, why he say he did it?
	I don't care.
	It's just that's a reasonable point.
	Yeah, it is a reasonable question, but if I were to get drawn into why these groups hate each other, I mean, you'd be there all day.
	And was he trying to frame white people?
	Okay, but the MPs, the left-wing labour MPs, they were certainly like, look at this, an attack on a mosque.
	Battle stations, battle stations.
	This is unacceptable.
	This is not what.
	So, anyway, I mentioned this on Twitter, and then I had loads of people come back at me and say, No, not that one, the other one.
	Okay, right, okay, fine.
	So, we just ignore the one that was attacked by Arif Ali Rafiki.
	Just ignore that one, all right?
	Let's have a look at the other one then.
	Um, and as has been reported here by this chat, um, the other one was doing a charity appeal to raise 260 grand to pay off some debts, and then after the attack, they're now doing a charity appeal for 260 grand to repair the damage on the mosque for the because the sorry what to repair damage to the mosque.
	It was only the fire that it was only the car that burnt down, but it was only the mosque uh doors that were burned.
	Sorry, what?
	Yeah, but they need 260 grand.
	Oh, I see, you know, don't don't don't don't don't question that too much.
	Right.
	Oh, I see, you know, again, I mean, it's been a really bad week for the liberal narrative, right?
	Now, if if that isn't bad enough, um, I want to talk about um an idea in physics.
	Now, this might seem a divergence, but I've got an animation here.
	Let's see if we can play.
	Quantum fluctuations refer to the inherent.
	How do we turn off the sound?
	There we go.
	I'll let Samson do, he knows what he's doing.
	Yeah, so I've got an animation.
	This is called something, a quantum fluctuation.
	And basically, the idea is out of absolutely nothing, you can create something flash into and then out of existence.
	Yes, a particle and an anti-particle.
	You have to create both at the same time, but it doesn't last very long and it's not very stable.
	And then the particle and the anti-particle, they annihilate each other because it's inherently a contradiction from nothingness.
	Which made me think of the liberal world order.
	So, I thought what we'd do is we would go through and have a look at the 10 principles of the liberal world order, both the particle and the anti-particle.
	Feel free to comment whenever you like.
	So, the first one is the particle is diversity is our strength, and the anti-particle is we must wage war on division.
	Yeah, stop me whenever you want to.
	But the next one is: Britain needs immigration through its economic growth.
	The anti-particle being native workers must be taxed ever higher to pay for it.
	Yeah.
	Or, I don't know if you've already got this one, but Britain needs more diversity as much as possible, as quickly as possible, but also it has always been diverse.
	Going back to the Roman era.
	Yes, good point.
	Oh, and also, what is it?
	Britain's racist, but diversity built Britain.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's systematically, inherently racist.
	Yes.
	But was built by them.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I mean, as you can see, like their entire narrative, because it comes from nothing, because it's not based on reality, it has to have these two poles.
	Now, with my little animation here, apparently these things always annihilate each other almost instantly.
	But with enough energy, you can stop that from happening.
	And the only example that I'm aware of is if they form really close to a black hole, a black hole is strong enough to just keep one away from the other.
	It takes quite a lot to stop this thing from collapsing.
	An infinite amount of gravity.
	Yes.
	And that's kind of where our liberal narrative is: that they're having to expend a huge amount of energy on stopping this thing from collapsing itself.
	The next one is we are all equally British, while the anti-particle is two-tier justice for the natives.
	So it is something like Jihad al-Shami is exactly equal to Bob English, but Bob English is not exactly equal to Jihad Al-Shami.
	We're all the same.
	All cultures are equal, but you can't have a flag.
	Yes.
	Or bail.
	For tweets.
	Yes.
	Number four, multiculturalism benefits everybody.
	At the same time, national identity must be dismantled.
	No more Christmases.
	I know that.
	Might offend people.
	Quite simply.
	Promote all different nationalities and cultures apart from our one.
	Yes.
	Even though it benefits everybody, apparently, to have these multiple cultures.
	All five is a good one.
	The rules-based liberal order guarantees peace.
	The anti-particle being that peace requires perpetual war against anybody who's outside the liberal rules-based order.
	War with Russia must never end.
	That's a classic 1984 double think thing or classic communist Soviet era thing is that unless you join the Comintern, unless you join communism, you're at odds with peace.
	And how can we have peace until everybody's been defeated?
	Yeah.
	Six, oh, this is a good one.
	This will take us back to COVID.
	The experts are neutral and have all of the answers.
	Also, if you question the experts and they can't answer you, you must be censored and attacked and deplatformed.
	And only listen to certain experts as well.
	Yes.
	I'm hoping.
	The approved ones.
	Yes.
	I'm so hoping RFK has got Dr. Fauci in his site somewhere down the line.
	Yes.
	Hopefully, Trump's DOJ actually go after.
	I was hoping to see.
	The good doctor.
	Yeah, well, one at a time.
	Start with Comey.
	See where we're going.
	As long as I see a lot of the old Biden-era people in jail, I'll be happy with that.
	Be nice.
	Oh, I like this one.
	The NHS is a foundation of Britain, and we will all die without it.
	Also, the NHS is chronically underfunded and broken because we're not spending 99% of our GDP on it.
	I've always struggled with that.
	Even as a little kid, I couldn't get my head around why it was simultaneously the best thing ever and also it was broken.
	Yeah.
	Number eight, democracy reflects the will of the people.
	At the same time, populism must be defeated.
	Yeah.
	I mean, what is popular?
	Populism is basically just what people want, what's popular.
	Yeah.
	But that wouldn't be our democracy, would it?
	Yes, as they call it.
	That's all just a delusion anyway.
	Oh, yeah.
	I've heard that, yeah.
	Yeah, I've always, even when I was young, or just old enough to actually start to understand terms properly, when you're like, I don't know, 14 or 15 or something in that age, I said, wait, how is populism, either left-wing populism or right-wing populism, how is that bad?
	If it's popular for the majority of people, again, I thought that isn't that, isn't that at the heart of democracy?
	Literally democracy.
	Yeah.
	Most people agree with it.
	Don't do that.
	That's bad.
	Democracy requires defeating whatever is popular.
	Why?
	It is an elitist thing, isn't it, though?
	It's an anti-democracy.
	I think that's a bit of a middle-class elitist thing though, isn't it?
	It's like, oh, well, even though it's popular, the majority of people want it.
	They're stupid.
	Yeah, they're working-class idiots or something.
	Yeah.
	They don't know what's good for them.
	If you left it up to them, they'd bring back the death penalty.
	Well, why don't we just bring back the death penalty then?
	Don't tap me with it over time.
	Yeah.
	Nine, Britain is post-racial.
	At the same time, race must define every possible outcome.
	And we've got to have DEI part departments everywhere.
	Well, hang on, which is it?
	We're either post-racial or we're not.
	Yeah.
	And the final one, individualism is our guiding principle.
	Because everything about liberalism, liberalism is at its core.
	It's all about the cult of the individual.
	Maximum individual expression, no restrictions on the individual.
	Also, the individual must be restricted, monitored, digital ID and controlled.
	And we've got to group you into groups as well.
	Yes.
	Ultimately, put you in a tiny cubicle and make you eat bugs.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	All this is.
	You must have seen it on Twitter going around.
	There's an interesting photo of Owen Jones and that Muffin Allen.
	Yeah.
	Sometimes an image speaks a thousand words.
	He's a deputy leader of Greens, and he's the...
	Or that guy.
	He's the guy that talked about...
	Al-Aru Akbar won.
	Yeah, when he won his council seat, he was talking about Al-Aru Akbar and Gaza.
	So, Huma and Owen Jones having a bit of a Kodak moment, both smiling.
	But it's those things.
	So, it's like trying to marry up liberalism or socialism, leftism, whatever you want to say.
	Marry that up with...
	Or globalism, even.
	Marry that up with sort of, what, Islam or something.
	Multiculturalism married up to an extreme version of sort of monoculture, monoreligion.
	Of course, that doesn't make any sense.
	It won't work.
	Of course.
	Of course.
	And on the leftist side...
	And, you know, the Muslim, the Islamic side of that equation don't really make any bones about it.
	They are who they are.
	It's written...
	Whereas the liberals have to lie to themselves, or the socialists have to lie to themselves to pretend that it's all good, it's all okay.
	So, yes.
	With that, I think that the whole liberal narrative...
	I mean, I just see it as it's got to the point where they can't expend any more energy stopping it from annihilating itself.
	I think it's done.
	We're just running on.
	So, we got to the point of the political cycle where they're not even going to bother with narratives now.
	They're just going to use force.
	All they've got left.
	Probably not.
	We have to do a commentary thing.
	Let's have a look.
	Luke says, when leftists advocate for diversity, suggest they send their loved ones to Ladywood with a hidden camera.
	What's in Ladywood?
	I've no idea.
	I don't know what that means.
	No, Ladysmith in South Africa.
	I don't know Ladywood.
	I don't know what that means.
	James Irving says, the state of politics have migrated onto the Lotus Eaters, the real great replacement.
	We're being replaced.
	We're taking over.
	You're on our manner now.
	And Doomhand says, I fully endorse the idea of doom-nation.
	Love it.
	Yes.
	I think that was the word I made up.
	I like that.
	Alex says, quantum fluctuations are really good at deporting migrants and building space elevators out of transparent graphene.
	Yes.
	Probably.
	A bit beyond my peg.
	And Tom says, a smaller side down, but it sounds like the left has never heard of pigeons.
	Pigou?
	Pijou?
	Pijou?
	In understanding the goal is to make the cost of a thing incidental as the thing is possible or reality will.
	Okay.
	You may have spoken a bit of French to me there, Tom, and I've got confused.
	I don't know if that's a typo.
	I don't know what pig, pigou, pigou means.
	It looks French to me.
	Sorry.
	Is it my time?
	Yeah, go on then.
	Shall we have some fun?
	What?
	And just dunk on the greens.
	Shall we?
	Because they are a clown show.
	They're a clown show.
	They don't stand for anything.
	They are, oh, just a stream of endless content to laugh at.
	Genuinely.
	I love it.
	I haven't followed them that closely, but are these the ones that are both, really fanatical about both recycling and also holy war.
	And also endless people.
	Right.
	So they believe in the environment, but they also want endless people to flood the country as well.
	Is it, I mean, when you say endless people, is it more jihadis though?
	Oh, but they don't care.
	They don't discriminate.
	They probably don't want South African white farmers.
	No, probably not.
	But to them, who knows?
	They haven't actually outlined too much to be fair.
	It's just anything and everything.
	So I thought we'd start with this.
	Okay.
	I thought we'd start with this.
	Cause I think this is hilarious.
	How many MPs do you think they're going to get?
	What have they got now?
	Is it one or two or three?
	I mean, it was only about 10 years ago.
	They got their first one ever.
	I think they've got two or three now.
	One poll I saw said they might get seven.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Seven.
	Cause it's a really weird time in politics.
	I wouldn't be surprised.
	Everything is so broken.
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't be surprised if they don't get.
	If they got 20, I wouldn't be that shocked because politics is just all over the place.
	I was going to go the other way.
	I'd say I wouldn't be surprised if they don't increase at all.
	Yeah.
	It could be anything.
	Well, it could be from the horse's mouth.
	How many MPs are the Greens going to get after the next general election?
	We're going to get at least 30.
	At least 30?
	Yep.
	Wow.
	It's time.
	Like, the energy in this conference is different.
	It is time.
	It's our moment.
	You know, the Labour Party began, what, had a few seats in 19 or whatever, and then it ends up being a mustard government that built the welfare state.
	We can go from now to being the green government that's building the future, that's actually got the imagination, the capability, the conviction, the competence to, like, actually.
	So I'll stop you there.
	Deep political analysis.
	Not just copium, certainly not.
	So they don't have conviction, which I'm going to show you.
	No, they don't have knowledge because they're all absolute morons.
	I thought that was...
	I mean, they will fit in in Parliament quite nicely then.
	Yeah, I guess so.
	Thing is about, before you go on, Nate, just to say, like, they were formed, I think, was it either the 70s or the 80s, and they were formed by, as I understand it anyway, genuine sort of environmentalists, and very, very quickly were subverted and co-opted by socialists by like harder left than Fabian type leftists.
	Why not?
	And that's it, and that's the way it's always been since then.
	So now, if you're a bit too left for Labour, you can find a home at the Greens and pretend you care about the environment and half-Islamic or something.
	Well, and that.
	Well, yeah, they're the Islamo-communist party now.
	They're giving Jez Bilar a run for their money.
	So they're fighting for the same voter base as Jez Bilar.
	Okay.
	But they're less liked.
	Isn't that even more stupid?
	Is this the one that's led by a Jewish guy?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we'll get to him.
	Don't you worry about it.
	We'll get to Hypnoboob.
	All right.
	Well, Jewish guy is like, let's import as many Muslims as we can and give them a position of power.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, and then the ideological thief was going into massive amounts of recycling when they win.
	Yeah, oh mate, honestly, this, I just, I don't get it.
	This is why they're a clown show.
	So did you not know everyone's a fascist?
	It's not just Zia Youssef or Nigel Farage that are essentially ushering in fascism.
	The Prime Minister has to take responsibility for this too.
	He stood at the podium and quoted Enoch Powell.
	He said somehow that he didn't know that that's what he was doing.
	I think that's completely incoherent.
	And I think if that's true, that's also very problematic that he doesn't know his political history, that he didn't know that he was quoting one of the worst fascists this country has ever had.
	Do you think he knew what he was saying?
	I think he knew exactly what he was saying.
	It wasn't a one-off.
	We've had dog whistle after dog whistle.
	Let's go for indefinite leave to remain.
	Taking it from five years to 10 years.
	What is that going to achieve?
	If people want Nigel Farage and they want reform, they'll vote for Nigel Farage and reform.
	So, chaps, Enoch Powell.
	I mean, me and Bo, we spoke about this briefly, but I'm guessing what he means by Enoch Powell being, you know, one of the biggest fascists in the world.
	Maybe Enoch Powell fought in the war against fascists because he thought that Hitler was going to steal his thunder.
	Is that why Enoch Powell signed up day one?
	There's lots of strange names.
	Fight in the war.
	I mean, on the state of politics, Mind and Nate's channel, check it out, the state of politics.
	I did a whole, well, we did a whole thing about the life and career of Enoch Powell.
	Oh, right.
	And before the war, World War II, he was extremely, extremely worried about fascism as an existential threat.
	And on almost literally day one of World War II in 1939, he volunteered.
	He volunteered.
	And then he fought in North Africa.
	He wasn't in combat, but he was in intelligence for years in North Africa, defeating Rommel and the fascists on the battlefield.
	And then went on to fight Japanese fascists in the Indian theatre and the Burmese theater and stuff.
	So.
	It was jealousy.
	So, well, it could only be jealousy then if...
	Maybe it was all an act.
	I mean, I've had leftists when I pointed out that, you know, the Nazis were a national socialist party.
	They've said, oh, no, they were just pretending to be socialist.
	It's like, right, so Hitler, not only did he expect to lose, he expected to become the modern Satan.
	And therefore, his whole career was pretending to be a socialist just so that he could vilify socialists 70 years later.
	That was actually his whole objective.
	That doesn't make any sense.
	Yeah.
	Clown show, remember?
	I mean, are they displaying traits of a clown show?
	I believe so.
	Also, he didn't quote Enoch Powell.
	Kierstarma did not quote Enoch Powell.
	He just said, strangers.
	That's all he did.
	He said one word.
	Now, is it similar?
	Is it reminiscent?
	Yeah.
	Didn't quote him though, did he?
	Let's not play fast and loose with what quote means.
	NB.
	Come on now.
	NB, quick note on that.
	Is that in the British, in the English parlance, stranger has just meant someone you don't know for centuries.
	Even in Parliament, there's like the stranger's gallery in Shakespeare.
	Isn't that what it means today?
	Well, yeah, I suppose so.
	Yeah, basically.
	It doesn't necessarily mean you can use the word stranger and not necessarily be a fascist.
	No, no, you can't.
	Oh.
	Sorry.
	Polanski has spoken.
	Dave.
	Fashion Dave Colden.
	Real name Dave.
	Yeah.
	There is a cafe here in Swindon that I go to a fair bit.
	And if I haven't been for a while, the waitress there, the old waitress there, she says to me, oh, hello, stranger.
	Oh, I didn't realise she was a fascist.
	I mean, I have to go there more often now.
	She's probably in the brown shirts.
	No.
	Got a secret shrine for Enoch Powell.
	I'll tell you the only biggest fascist in Britain.
	Sorry, to correct myself earlier, sorry, used stranger to mean foreigner.
	So in Shakespeare, often he'll talk about a stranger.
	And he means someone from another land.
	That's better.
	And I'm pretty sure Enoch Powell used it, was using it in that way.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I was going to say on this clip, the only thing I do agree with him on is he's basically making the argument is if reform are going to dominate the deportation stuff, why don't there's no point flanking right?
	You might as well flank left.
	I mean, that is his strategy to flank to the left of Labour and hope that the Labour and Tories do what they will do, which is campaign from the centre.
	And that gives him a clear left wing of votes to go after.
	Yeah, aside from your party, but yeah, you're right.
	And them, yeah.
	Well, when you say that, I guess that's kind of the only conviction he has because he, I mean, he doesn't actually have any convictions.
	This is just fascinating, like actually fascinating.
	I wouldn't do anything that would make Nigel Farage prime minister.
	That would be an absolute red line.
	And that includes proportional representation.
	I think in Nigel Farage, we're dealing with a fascist.
	And as much as I will do anything, almost anything, to make sure we have an actual democracy in this country, I would say making a fascist a prime minister would seem counterproductive.
	In terms of a Labour coalition, it's something...
	So you wouldn't support PR if it made Nigel Farage prime minister?
	No.
	No.
	I just think ultimately you have to have a red line.
	And although if you said to me, what's the number one thing that I think would change the British political system, I would say it's PR.
	Now, before I get ated, I realize that that can seem privileged because people are really struggling with their wages.
	They're struggling with the cost of living crisis.
	They're struggling with fascism and racism.
	All of those things actually matter.
	But until we get proportional representation, I think it's very difficult to deal with those things meaningfully because we know we could get Farage being prime minister on 25 to 30% of the vote, despite a majority not electing him.
	He could get a huge majority.
	I don't think that's going to happen, but that's a reasonable scenario.
	So PR has to absolutely be the number one thing that I think will unlock all the other things that so many of us want.
	I do also think, though, that there has to be basic standards.
	And seeing Nigel Farage go into number 10, I think no longer becomes about a democratic or constitutional conversation.
	I think it becomes about a crisis, particularly for minority communities, particularly for people who are already terrified and scared.
	And I could absolutely rule out that under no circumstances would I accept any part in playing in making Nigel Farage prime minister.
	Some thoughts.
	He's tying himself in knots.
	It doesn't make any sense what he's saying.
	There's no sense to it.
	It has to be the number one thing that we do, but I won't do it.
	Yeah.
	I won't do it.
	Because it'll put him in charge.
	It's like, he's going to be the prime minister anyway.
	As well as being incredibly convoluted and self-contradictory, the thing that I couldn't help focus on is I didn't realise that he had like a gap tooth top and bottom row.
	Oh yeah, he's proper snaggle-toothed, yeah.
	He's got like a little denture burker going on.
	Well, he's dysgenic AF, isn't he?
	Let's be fair.
	Yeah.
	And I hadn't noticed that before, and it kind of distracted me from what he was saying.
	I mean, what he was saying was not particularly, it didn't make any sense.
	It really bugs me when leftists, communists just talk about fascism.
	Yeah.
	And it's like, I imagine you've not read anything about it, really.
	Like actual early 20th century fascist thought.
	Like coming from Italy places.
	Someone like Ezra Pound or whatever.
	I doubt he knows anything about it.
	And it's actually real fascism, like 1920s Italian fascism.
	It's quite a niche thing, really.
	It was a moment in time, really.
	Yeah, you had to be there.
	Like, Hitlerism is something separate, really.
	But no, Nige is a fascist.
	People are scared.
	They're struggling with fascism, people.
	The people are.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's alive and well right now.
	Oh, bollocks.
	What was there?
	Literally no political conviction at all.
	He's like, yeah, the number one thing that I want to do is bring PR in, because that would really help everyone that I represent, but I won't do it.
	An empty bag.
	An empty shirt.
	A man without a charge.
	What would I stand for, though?
	A man without a chest.
	Traj doesn't need PR.
	No, no, exactly.
	That's the point.
	No, he's going to win anyway.
	But you won't support it.
	I'm going to win anyway.
	So what do they really stand for?
	Any suggestions?
	Any thoughts?
	Environmentalism?
	No, I think it's recycling and holding war.
	From what I can tell.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	Ha.
	I wonder what Zach's rabbi thinks about that.
	I wonder.
	But how is that going to work?
	If a UK government prescribed the IDF as a terrorist organisation, the Americans would bomb us out of existence within a week.
	This is a good fly.
	I guess they've chosen their client class, haven't they?
	Yeah.
	Muslims.
	Which side their bread's buttered.
	Because it is interesting to have a Jewish, gay, communist, ultra-globalist type as the leader and then an Islamist as a deputy leader.
	That's an interesting dynamic, isn't it?
	And it seems, well, it seems that Muffin Ali is probably...
	Yeah.
	The momentum's with him, if that's anything to go by.
	What...
	What does he think is going to happen to him if the Islamics get in power?
	He's dancing on thin eyes, isn't he?
	He'll be the last one they throw off a roof.
	Yeah.
	I guess.
	Don't visit.
	He's been a good ally to them.
	If anything, he'll be the first one thrown off a roof because he's the leader and the deputy can then take over.
	He's standing in the way, isn't he?
	I think he's quite high up the list of people who get thrown off a roof.
	Yeah, it's a pipe dream if he thinks he's among the last.
	Yeah, he'll be among the first, wouldn't it?
	Clown show, see?
	Are we starting to see the inevitable circus that is the Green Party?
	I've got one especially just for you now, Dan.
	I thought you'd like this.
	what's this uh green party is going to oh right how would that How would that work?
	Well, for people who are only listening, the headline is Green Party backs plan to see end of private letting.
	So no landlords?
	No landlords.
	You're going to abolish landlords.
	No kulaks.
	Okay, but how?
	How would this work?
	So everybody who's renting gets turfed out, or does every landlord have their house seized by the state?
	Well, that's the classic communist thing.
	It's state property now.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	So what they really stand for is green with envy, right?
	Yes.
	And Muslims.
	So if you've got any element of wealth, can't have that, so I'll say.
	And communism, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It is just a Islamo-fascism.
	No, Islamo-communism.
	Yeah, pretty much, yeah.
	Right.
	Until the Islamists get full control and they do away with any remnant of socialism or communism, just have Sharia.
	Are there any good historical examples, I suppose, of communists teaming up with Islamists in order to bring about a revolution?
	And if so, how did it end for the communists five minutes after the revolution was complete?
	I believe there was one, was it not in Persia?
	Oh, yeah, there is that one.
	There's that one, isn't there?
	What happened to the communists five minutes after they won?
	They got effed up beyond all recognition.
	Is that modern day?
	Quite quickly, yeah.
	Yes, that's yeah.
	Yeah.
	Put up against Walmart Shot, I seem to remember.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Sharia is not interested in whether you're a liberal, socialist, conservative, libertarian.
	It's all the same to them.
	Maybe it's different this time.
	It's always different this time.
	Right.
	Always.
	But look, you know, I guess one thing we could count on the Greens for among all of this as well.
	They're going to stop the boats by just creating a new dock and allowing them to come in.
	Right.
	We're going to stop the small boats by putting on larger boats.
	We're going to put on ferries.
	Yeah, and planes.
	Safe and legal routes.
	Infinity immigrants until the end of time, even though there's wealth inequality and they need to tax the rich.
	I mean, I think you've spoken about that curve that happens when you tax people.
	Oh, that's a curve.
	Yeah.
	So their plan is just to tax people to oblivion to pay for Infinity Third Worlders, which presumably would be Muslims.
	Less revenue that way.
	So basically, all you're doing is destroying rich people, not actually creating any more revenue.
	But don't you know that they're hoarding it like Scrooge McDuck?
	Yes, must be.
	The real problem, the root of all this country's problems, in fact, the world's problems are rich people.
	Yeah.
	Particularly like billionaires, particularly the Uber rich.
	Well, they're only first on the hit list, to be perfectly honest.
	They will go all the way down to tiny landlords.
	They've already said they're going to.
	They've already said straight up landlords.
	Look at the face, the smiling face of evil.
	I don't know if he's evil or just incredibly stupid.
	I think he's.
	No, evil.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I'm not having it anymore.
	I just accidentally want to flood you to oblivion.
	Yeah, no, that is evil.
	Yeah, no, I don't.
	That is evil.
	I just accidentally are in favour of all the policies that would drive this country off a cliff accidentally.
	And I've never really looked at this guy, but the more I see that gap tooth, the more it puts me off.
	No, I know I can talk because I've had a tooth knocked out years ago, and I'd keep thinking, oh, I'll get one of those bloody implants.
	I can't be bothered.
	But, I mean, come on.
	Josh is good on this.
	For people, if you've got if your eyes are too far apart, or if you've got a gap in your front teeth, particularly on the bottom, it means that your skull didn't fuse properly, entirely properly in the middle when you were neutralized.
	Mine was bashed out.
	It's not because of dysmorph, but I mean, spend a bit of money.
	Yeah.
	You're going to go on.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is also the man that believes he can enlarge boobs with hypnotism.
	Yeah, what is that all about?
	I've seen that going around on Twitter.
	saying all that what is the actual that is the story that That was just.
	He genuinely thought he could increase boobage with hypnosis.
	Hypnosis.
	Yeah, hypno-boob, yeah.
	Was he successful?
	Do we know if this works?
	Yeah, if we've got tangible results on this.
	And was it not?
	And was it he hypnotised them and then they woke up and their boobs were bigger, but also a bit swollen and sore.
	Yeah, well, he's gay, though, isn't he?
	So he wouldn't be touching them if that's the.
	Not that you're insinuating that.
	I'd hate to implicate you.
	No, I think what you need to know is can he actually hypnotise people and make their boobs bigger?
	Because if he can.
	Yeah.
	Well, we kind of need him back on that.
	Well, you know, hypnotism.
	Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'd be game for that.
	Yes.
	I'm game for suggestion.
	It's all about the power of suggestion.
	Bigger cleavage.
	Like hypnotism.
	Yeah, the power of suggestion.
	You have to do that.
	People that are very, very strong-minded, that that Jedi mind trick just doesn't work on them.
	There's a certain number of people that basically can't be hypnotised because it doesn't work.
	And hypnotism is a type of tricksterism.
	It's a type of, yeah, like kind of, in my opinion, a bit of a gross thing.
	Well, does he think he can do that to the whole world?
	Do you just say green policies?
	They're good for you.
	Well, I mean, his party is on the rise.
	They are on the rise.
	I don't think they're going to get at least 30 MPs.
	That's unlikely.
	The next election is going to be so screwed up on the left that anything could happen on the left.
	If your party get traction and stuff, that would take a big dent out of Greens.
	That's the thing.
	Jeremy, never underestimate Jeremy Corbyn's ability to generate young people loving him for some unbeknownst reason.
	To be fair, that's a good point.
	Why would you vote for the Jewish-led Islamo-communist party when you can go for the actual Corbyn-led sympathy?
	Islamo Communist Party.
	Yeah.
	well i can i can just imagine you know oh what's his name you know um sherry foul kebab or whatever in birmingham you can vote for i'm making it up but yeah right Young guy, second or third generation immigrant who can vote for the first time.
	Where's he going to go?
	Is he going to go for the Jewish-led Islamic Party or is he going to go for the Corbyn-led Islamic Party?
	Polanski is the leader.
	Yes.
	Or Jeremy Corbyn.
	So something tells me that the Corbyn one is more likely to get traction.
	Corbyn's got more gravitas than Dave.
	Paulden.
	Dave Paulden.
	Yeah.
	Corbyn knows the ropes.
	I mean, he's actually been leader of Her Majesty's loyal opposition, hasn't he?
	And he got more votes than Jack.
	He got more votes in that election than Labour got winning this time.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So he's not a complete failure at the ballot box.
	You can say that about Corbyn, unfortunately.
	But what you can say is that the Green Party is a clown show.
	Yes.
	And a joke.
	Yes.
	Shall we get some of these comments now?
	What's this?
	Ladywood is in Birmingham, apparently.
	Oh, okay.
	I didn't know that.
	I've not been there.
	D-Tech says, state of politics dragging Lotus Eaters to the right.
	I sense a reform load dynamic in the ranks.
	Is that suggested I'm imminently going to get fired for being too based?
	I don't know.
	I got a telling off just before we came on here for moving too far to the right.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, you did.
	Producer came from Sandwood.
	Outrageous.
	Outrageous.
	What's this?
	Gimli.
	I think listening to this Polanski dude has cost me some IQ points.
	Sorry about that, mate.
	And Luke J says, only if Farage was the things they said he is.
	PS, no worries for the donations.
	Oh, thank you.
	Just one from Cranky Texan as well.
	Just says, fascist just means enemy to them, nothing more.
	Yeah, because they don't have the intellectual fortitude to actually articulate a counter-argument, so they just go, fascist, or racist.
	Yeah, you're an idiot.
	You're an imbecile.
	It's very easy, isn't it?
	You just learn that word when you're like 10 or something.
	And that's it.
	It's all you need.
	And the tragic thing is they're always wrong.
	Yeah.
	They keep saying, Islamic, you know, fascists are going to take over the government.
	It's like, really?
	Yeah.
	No, it's just Nigel Farage.
	Didn't that Belktose Farage?
	Yeah.
	Didn't Dave Green Dave, didn't he call even Starma a fascist the other day?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Or implied he was.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Bringing in fascism.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Outrageous.
	Outrageous.
	All right, let's talk about our imminent destruction at the hands of a rogue comet which is going to smash into Earth and kill us all.
	That does sound bad.
	Yeah.
	Why aren't we all talking about it?
	Because that's not really going to happen.
	Oh, right, okay, sorry.
	That's just sensational.
	That was just to grab people's attention in the first few seconds of the YouTube video.
	No, so, but, but having said that, look, Al Jazeera goes with: are internet rumours of comet hurtling towards Earth true?
	It's on the other side of the sun.
	It's nowhere near.
	I heard it was getting close to Mars.
	Yeah, it'll get closer to Mars.
	Well, it has already.
	It's past Mars now.
	It got within 23 million miles of Mars, which is actually in astrological terms, really close.
	In parking terms, that would be generous.
	But in astrological terms, that is actually really good.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, very close.
	But no, it has passed.
	No, it was never ever going to pass anywhere near Earth.
	Well, having said that again, in the scheme of things, passing through the inner solar system.
	Yes.
	But yeah, Mars is on the opposite side of the Sun to us at the moment.
	And it flashed past Mars.
	So it was never hurtling towards Earth.
	But is this one special in some way?
	Because we always get bits of stuff.
	Sorry, say again.
	Is this one special in any way?
	Yes.
	This is special.
	No, it is special.
	So it's called Three Eye Atlas.
	Okay, now I've been fascinated with.
	If you watch science channels and space channels, it's just been all over that for weeks.
	So ever since the 1st of July, it was first spotted on the 1st of July this year.
	And it's the third interstellar object we've found.
	I.e.
	it's from completely outside our solar system.
	All comets that come in, asteroids, not all that we know of, like asteroids and comets.
	They're in our own solar system.
	So moving around the galaxy with our sun.
	But they've just got very like Halley's Comet, for example.
	Okay, so it's.
	Bits of rock from the early solar system just whizz around, but this one is coming from somewhere.
	Right.
	So it's coming from the direction of the middle of our galaxy.
	Right.
	Does that mean it could have passed from external say again?
	Right, so if it's coming from the middle of the galaxy, does that mean that there's a potential that it came from beyond the galaxy and is merely travelling through the galaxy?
	Almost certainly not that.
	It's not from another galaxy.
	Not interested.
	It's interstellar, not intergalactic.
	All right.
	Can we rule out this being something.
	Could it be a probe of some sort?
	I'll get to that.
	I just want to set the scene a little bit.
	It's just a bit of context.
	It's coming from the center of the galaxy.
	That's where you would, I mean, it's the densest region.
	That's where you would expect life to form first.
	And it's coming there to us.
	You're saying if there is sort of a galactic empire, it will probably reside near the center of our galaxy.
	Yes.
	Right.
	And it's coming directly from there.
	Yeah.
	And it happens to be going past the planet that would have first supported life in the solar system.
	I mean, I know it's lost now.
	Mars.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So you think millions, even billions of years ago, I saw Mars, thought there was life there, sent Atlas out to have a look, and it's only just getting here now.
	Yes.
	And Mars is dead now.
	Yes.
	Interesting idea, yeah.
	I mean, as long as this thing doesn't change direction or slow down or anything, we should be right.
	Well, it has seems to have changed course and even speed.
	Well, no.
	Huh.
	But we'll get to that.
	Let me just give a little bit more context for people who might not know anything.
	We've not heard anything about this.
	So it's only in the last 10 years or so we've actually had the ability to spot things like this.
	So back in 2014, oh no, sorry, 2017, we spotted our very, very first ever into an object that's not from our solar system.
	And they called it Amuamua, which is a Hawaiian word because I think it was first spotted by a Hawaiian telescope.
	And that was very odd.
	If anyone remembers that, it was very interesting.
	But first thing to say about that is that where we were going around, where we go round the galaxy, it seems like it was sort of more or less, it was moving, but it was more or less in like the interstellar medium.
	And we just like passed through it.
	Rather than it coming for us and arrowing down through us, it was more like we were passing it.
	Yeah, and eventually a bit more again at a certain point in time.
	It's just a traversing of.
	No, probably not.
	Because it was going so fast that the sun didn't capture it and we go round.
	It takes 200 million years or something.
	So it was moving then.
	It was moving.
	Right, okay.
	Whereas this is like this is different.
	This is on a trajectory straight for us, coming from the center, going out towards us, arrowing towards us, which is a different thing, right?
	To just sort of hanging there and we pass it by.
	That sounds a bit deliberate.
	Well, maybe, maybe.
	And you said this thing is slowing down.
	Well, not yet, not exactly.
	I'll get to that in a moment.
	I'll get to that at the end, actually, because that's like jumping the gun.
	We're jumping.
	And then the second thing we found was the comet Borisov, and that was in 2019, which does seem to have been just a classic comet, showing all the signs of being a classic comet.
	Because Amuamua wasn't.
	It had a strange sort of odd tumble to it, and how reflective it was seemed odd.
	And at one point, it did seem to speed up a little bit.
	There was odd things about Amuamua.
	But Borisov, the second one we found, it seems to have been just a classic comet.
	Both these things are relatively small, the size of maybe a football pitch.
	I mean, Amuamua may have been an odd shape, cigar-shaped, or even frisbee-shaped.
	We don't know, but because it came and went so quickly.
	Whereas we saw this early, and it was discovered by Atlas, which is like an early warning system.
	And we spotted it quite early.
	And there's just lots of things that are anomalous about it.
	There's loads of things that are weird.
	I mean, you could make the argument that it's just not a comet.
	They're calling it a comet.
	But the classic things that define a comet, it doesn't necessarily is not necessarily displaying those characteristics.
	Such as?
	Well, the type of tail or lack of one, which direction the tail is going.
	Well, actually, let me just start listing then the anomalies.
	So, first of all, the trajectory.
	It's coming in on the plane of the ecliptic, i.e., nearly all the planets, all the inner planets, certainly, are all on the same plane with the Sun.
	Right?
	And it's coming in only five degrees shy of that perfect angle.
	Now, the odds of that, some say that's like 500 to 1, some say it's much more, maybe a few thousand to one.
	Because an interstellar object could come in or can come in from any angle, any direction.
	But it happens to be through, so it comes close to Venus, really close to Mars.
	And as it goes out, if it doesn't change direction, it'll pass really close to Jupiter as well.
	So that trajectory, it could just be coincidence.
	All these things could just be coincidence.
	But if you were designing a probe, that is exactly what you would do.
	Yeah, just travel net each and everything.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But it could just be coincidence.
	Okay.
	The speed, it's traveling insanely fast.
	It's the fastest thing in our solar system right now.
	It's traveling at 36 miles per second.
	That's way faster than any other comet or asteroid or even planet in our solar system.
	Like way faster.
	That's 58 kilometers per second.
	That's 130,000 miles per hour.
	Something like 210, 220,000 kilometers per hour.
	To give you some idea, the Earth spins at like 1,000 miles per hour.
	It's moving insanely, insanely fast.
	Well, if you were launching a probe from the inner galactic empire, you'd want it to get there fast, wouldn't you?
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah.
	Yeah, it's moving sort of abnormally fast.
	So the trajectory is a strange coincidence, if you want to think of it that way.
	But the speed of it is sort of abnormal.
	The size of it, right?
	It's massive.
	They're still not even sure right now, even, exactly how big it is.
	It looks like it's somewhere between four or five miles across and maybe much more, maybe 20 miles across.
	Different scientists are arguing over that still.
	But it's way big.
	And scientists say, statistically, that's crazy.
	You should only see one of those every 10,000 years.
	Maybe only one every million years.
	So the fact that it's the third one we've ever seen after 10 years of looking, again, it could just be coincidence.
	But how many coincidences do you have to pile on top of one or the other?
	So, okay, that's an anomaly, isn't it?
	Yeah, there's quite a few more, yeah.
	Oh, right.
	Okay, so it's chemical makeup.
	As comets come closer to a star, they start heating up and they start giving off all sorts of all sorts of chemicals.
	Usually like carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, maybe like cyanogen gas type of cyanide, very, very small amount.
	And they can tell like what it's giving off.
	They're very clever by the colours that it gives off.
	And this is giving off sort of weird...
	The chemistry of it is, again, odd.
	We've never seen any comet that has ever done these things.
	Like it was glowing red to begin with and then suddenly went green.
	Say suddenly, but it started glowing green.
	Now that's not necessarily odd for a comet, but this particular type of green was again, it's unique as far as we know.
	Well, it is interstellar, so, you know, who knows exactly where it came from?
	But it was barreling towards Mars, set to red, which as everybody who watched sci-fi's know, that means it's in kill mode.
	When it got close enough to realize that there was nothing there anymore, then it switched to green.
	It went back to standby.
	To green.
	And yeah, the chemicals, they can tell that it's weapons grade.
	It's giving off, well, you say that.
	It's giving off a lot of nickel.
	Now, again, it's not entirely unheard of for comets to be exuding nickel.
	It's nickel-rich without much iron.
	And again, as scientists tell us, that's just really odd.
	Usually on Earth, that is a sign of a technology of smelting metals very, very deliberately.
	Usually in space, in comets in the natural universe, wherever you see nickel, you'll also see quite a lot of iron.
	It'll be iron and nickel rich.
	Whereas this is just extremely nickel-rich.
	Which again could be just a weird coincidence, but it is an anomaly.
	Okay, now, the one that for me made my ears prick up when I first heard this probably three weeks ago, a month ago or so now, is its tail.
	Now, usually a comet, the definition of a comet, which makes it different to an asteroid, is that it has a tail.
	It's icy.
	Not necessarily all water ice.
	It could be all different types of ice.
	Carbon dioxide and ice and stuff.
	So an asteroid is just rock.
	And a comet will be more than that.
	And as it flies through space and as it gets closer to a star, and it'll have a tail.
	In fact, it will have two tails.
	One is just blown away from directly behind it.
	And the other one is the sun's the sun's effect will shoot off another tail directly away from the star.
	So quite often if you see comets, quite often they have sort of two tails.
	But okay, both of them are behind where the comet is going, right?
	That's how it works.
	Well, that's how physics works, isn't it?
	Well, this one had a tail pointing towards the sun.
	No, that doesn't make any sense.
	Doesn't it, does it?
	How?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	We don't know.
	You don't ever see a woman on a motorbike with her hair just streaming out in front of her.
	You don't.
	It doesn't work like that.
	No.
	No, no.
	Yeah.
	This looks almost like maybe it's trying to slow down.
	Like decelerate, yeah, it's like exhaust.
	Or priming weapon systems.
	Who knows?
	There's no life on Mars, remember?
	Well, that's why it stood down.
	Back to Greenwood.
	Yeah, yeah, no, no.
	When I first saw that, I was like, wait, like, yeah, that's old.
	I'm no scientist.
	My background is in ancient history.
	But wait a minute.
	Like, what is that?
	So, now if I talk a tiny bit about sort of the debate that's going on in the scientific community, so a lot of people I really like, my go-to channels, still just say people like Anton Petrov.
	Hello, wonderful person.
	Isaac Arthur, who sounds like Elmer Fudd.
	And these are serious guys.
	These are serious real-life scientists.
	The furthest thing from Tinfo hat people, they're saying, it's a comet.
	It's definitely a comet.
	Like, calm down, stop being, stop.
	Take your Tinfo hat off.
	It's just an odd one.
	It's an interstellar thing.
	We don't know that much about them.
	It's just different to our comets.
	That's what it is.
	But then you've got also other very serious people who are saying, no, wait, no, wait.
	The fact that it's got a tail in front of it and all the other anomalies is a bit odd.
	This is a bit weird.
	Before I go back to the tail, just quickly say there's a few other things.
	Some are saying that it may have changed course a bit.
	So I'm saying the polarization of the light coming off of it.
	It's polarized light, not just unpolarized light.
	So that's just just on your point about people who have commented on this.
	Yeah.
	And they're saying, don't worry about it.
	It's fine.
	It's benign.
	Don't worry.
	Does the Central Galactic Empire have a version of APAC?
	Yeah.
	Who are they working for?
	The whole thing's a giant psyop.
	Yes.
	The whole thing is to make you take your eye off the ball from the Epstein files.
	I wouldn't put it past them.
	Space is fake.
	Oh, is it?
	Oh, okay.
	Never mind.
	Yeah, okay.
	So there's all sorts of people saying there were sort of pulses coming from.
	There may even have been some sort of signal coming from it.
	now the space agencies the various ones china europe nasa have been quiet on that but some people are saying so okay my point of saying all that is you do have to be careful um Did you see that?
	Well, some are saying that.
	What's the signal?
	Surrender?
	No, it's just...
	come in peace like there's the hydrogen line whereas if you transmit on a certain frequency like 1440 something odd hertz um that's like a very specific that couldn't be done by accident It's not natural.
	Yeah, it's not natural.
	But then NASA, I don't think, might be wrong, but NASA and ESA and China have not confirmed that for sure.
	So this is a character.
	So if I quickly get back to the debate that's going on, like on the internet amongst various scientists, like everything else, you've got the serious people and you've got slop.
	Right?
	So there is a lot of slop content out there about 3i Atlas.
	There is a lot of slop.
	Does this count?
	Well, are we in the other category?
	I'll let the audience decide.
	I'm trying to be serious.
	I am trying to be serious.
	In fact, let me just say at this point, I suspect it is just a very, very odd comet.
	I suspect that we'll find out that it is when it comes out from behind the sun and when it passes by Jupiter and the Juno orbiter, we'll be able to see it.
	I suspect it will be not of alien technology.
	It sounds like they've got to you two.
	Maybe.
	How much they're paying you.
	Big bucks.
	So, okay, with the slop and the serious people.
	So there's people like Anton Petrov who are just saying, they look, come on, it's just a comet.
	But then they've got someone like Avi Loeb, who is a very famous, very, very famous scientist.
	I mean, he has been, he's at Harvard, he's a professor at Harvard, and was like the chair of their astrophysics department at Harvard for years.
	He's been there for like 30 years, written loads and hundreds and hundreds of academic papers, many, many books, chaired all sorts of things.
	He's very, very, very eminent and serious.
	Again, the opposite from a Tinfor.
	However, he's one of the ones that are saying, wait, this doesn't look anything like a comet.
	Why are you calling it a comet?
	This isn't a comet.
	Wait, the tail is pointing the wrong way.
	Because the people, the naysayers, are saying, oh, it's just outgassing that happens to be pointing towards the sun.
	It's possible.
	Yeah, we've never seen it before and it's unique, but it's possible.
	So it's just a comet.
	Was someone like Avi Loeb and others are saying, no, come on, hang on, hang on.
	Let's just look at the actual data.
	Let's just look at the evidence, the hard evidence we've got.
	This is weird.
	We've now got like seven, eight, nine anomalies about this thing.
	I'd never trust people that instantly dismiss data points, which would imply, you know, a sort of a counter opinion to those.
	If you're trying to shy away from all scrutiny, there's something suspicious about that, whether it's their sort of bias or not.
	Like, you should always be allowed to scrutinize things.
	I think that's...
	Absolutely.
	If you try and push people away from scrutiny and diminish them and sort of demean them when there's clear data points which would support scrutiny, then that's odd, isn't it?
	It's odd behaviour.
	Yes, it is.
	You ridicule people.
	That's the sort of argument that Professor Loeb talks about.
	He says, look, remember Galileo when he said, look, there's moons around Jupiter.
	And the prevailing wisdom of the time says, no, they can't be.
	You're under arrest now.
	It's like, no, but it's, just look through my, just look through the lenses I've got here.
	They're right there.
	And they're like, no, it can't be.
	It can't be.
	We're going to suppress and silence you.
	It's like, but it's, but it is there.
	No.
	right that's what avi love said look let's not do let's not ganileo ourselves here um And the thing is, we do know quite a lot about comets, really, in the scheme of things.
	I mean, quite a few years back, when was it, 2014 or something, we actually were able to put a very small satellite around a comet, 67P, and even a very, the Rosetta mission, and even put a very small lander philae on the surface of a comet.
	He actually sort of toppled over and it was a little bit of a failure, although we still did get some images from that.
	So we do know, the point is, is that we've lived with comets for hundreds of years.
	Like even in the Bay Your Tapestry, the Halley Comet is there, and the Chinese were interested in comets for centuries and centuries and centuries, millennia even.
	And comets are interesting, fascinating things.
	And this three-eye atlas just doesn't seem to fit.
	Well, for me anyway, and what do I know?
	But for other people as well, like Professor Loeb, doesn't seem to fit the definition of it.
	Can I give you my theory?
	Please do.
	And I'm pretty sure this is absolutely robust and scientifically sound because I've thought about it deeply over these past few minutes.
	But have you ever heard of the dark forest theory?
	Is this like the Fermi paradigm, one of the possible Fermi paradox?
	It's tied up with that.
	Basically, look, let's say this thing does come from the galactic core, right?
	25,000 light years away.
	Let's say there was a galactic empire there, right?
	And they detect life emerging out on the fringe.
	So you send a signal, and it's something like, so are you guys chill or are you nutters or whatever it is?
	Yeah.
	So they detect radio signals coming in.
	So it takes 25,000 years for the light signal to get to them.
	They immediately send a message back and saying, look, what's going on with you guys?
	And then another 25,000 years later, we can get a message back to them and we can say, no, it's all right.
	We're completely chill.
	Don't worry about it.
	We're not going to be launching a Xenos Exterminatus campaign or anything.
	You can relax, right?
	That's a lag time of 75,000 years, just getting the messages back and forwards.
	And what if they're not chill?
	This new life that you've detected.
	What if they are a bunch of Exterminators nutters?
	So the dark forest theory says that the moment that an advanced civilization detects life emerging anywhere, the only sane thing to do is to immediately exterminate it.
	Because if you try and have a conversation with them, let's say you detect a radio signal, there's a lag time in this case between us and them of 75,000 years.
	That's enough time to go from basic radio signals to exterminatus warships, right?
	So the only thing you can do is every time you exterminate it.
	Now, this thing is traveling really fast, but I worked out if it's come from the galactic core, it would have taken 100 million years to get here.
	So what I think happened is they detected some life possibly on Mars in the early days or on the early stages on Earth.
	And they're like, yeah, okay, we're going to send a kill probe.
	It's going to take 100 million years to get there.
	We pass by Mars.
	We scan what's going on there.
	I'll bet you any money.
	In a week's time, this thing goes past the sun and starts to do a turn.
	It uses a gravity assist and it comes back on us.
	Hang a left at Mars, head straight for terror.
	Yes, I think that's what's pretty, I'm pretty convinced that's what's happening here.
	Well, it's possible.
	I mean, let's just talk about that right now.
	It's behind the sun at the moment, because we, as soon as we realized what this thing was, i.e.
	an extremely rare thing, extremely rare, we then got Hubble and James Webb and loads and loads of loads and loads of different space assets and ground-based assets to look at it in all the spectrums.
	The whole scientific world just was like suddenly looking at this thing, as you would, of course.
	It's fascinating.
	And so with although it is quite difficult to see exactly how big it is because it's got this sort of, it's got this coma, it's got this thing around it.
	So to see what the nucleus is.
	horsefield uh well no but uh maybe i mean some kind of cloak Let's call it a false field.
	That sounds cool.
	But how big the nucleus is, we still don't even know.
	And then when it passed by Mars, they did like the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and even the little, not little, the car-sized rover on Mars, Perseverance.
	All the things on Mars that we could, even one of the Emirates has got cameras on Mars.
	And they all looked at it as it flashed by.
	But the thing is, at the moment, it's behind the Sun, as far as we're concerned.
	And as far as obviously Hubble and even James Webb are concerned, it's behind the Sun.
	So we actually can't see it at the moment.
	It's perihelion, the point where it classes passes closest to the Sun is on like the 28th or 29th of this month.
	But it's not till December it will sort of come out from the other side of the Sun as far as we're concerned.
	And we can see it again.
	Now we expect it to fly off straight out to Jupiter.
	But what if, as Professor Loeb has suggested, is a crazy outside possibility, but we can't necessarily discount it.
	What if, as it pops out, we realize, oh, it's changed course massively and slowed down massively and it's heading right towards us.
	It's taken the gravity assist, it's bent around, it's coming back, it's changed colour again, it's back to red.
	I must reiterate at this moment, I suspect that won't happen.
	Spoiler spot.
	I would put a tenor on that that won't be.
	I will take that bet.
	I bet you a tenor that it is an Esturmanatus probe from the Galactic Empire.
	Wow.
	actually hang on that's a bad bet because yeah it's pretty unlikely really on it now if we if we get no no it's no it's just a simple game No, take the backsymmetry.
	No, I know I'm right, but the problem is, if I win, I won't be able to collect the tenor because we'd just be annihilated.
	You're just vapor drifting out across.
	No, you'll have a few weeks or months to enjoy the tenor before it actually arrives here.
	Oh, that's right.
	And given inflation in the UK, I mean, that'd be pretty quickly spent anyway.
	So that's just interesting.
	Real footage from the surface of a comet.
	I'm always fascinated.
	Amazed by something like that.
	Some of the footage we got from Titan, for example, Galileo.
	Going to other worlds.
	Absolutely fascinating.
	So we won't play the audio on this, but we can just have this on in the background.
	And that's Loeb.
	That's Professor Avi Loeb there.
	I mean, he's being next to a bookshelf, so he must be a serious person.
	Very serious.
	No, he is.
	He's really, really eminent.
	Picture of himself in the background.
	So these are actual from the European Space Agency.
	That is it as it passed close to Mars.
	Because the cameras they had on like the MRO and Perseverance, they're not meant for looking at something 23 million miles away.
	They're meant for looking at the ground almost right next to the camera, really.
	So they're not designed.
	They're not like Hubble or James Webb where they're designed to look at things a long, long way away.
	And in fact, James Webb isn't designed for looking at something that close, that small, moving that fast.
	That's not what James Webb was designed for, although it can still do it.
	Again, look, there's sort of the real image.
	If you believe that space isn't fake, it's not a lot to go on there.
	And gay.
	No.
	Yeah, no, not really.
	So.
	Have we got actual images of this?
	Well, that is an actual image.
	No, but like a detailed one that isn't.
	No, no.
	No, that's the best we've got.
	Because we do have the ability to do that, don't we?
	No.
	What?
	That's the best we've got.
	We don't have the ability to get a better image than that.
	No.
	What?
	What?
	Do we not?
	No.
	I thought we could take pictures of stuff from space.
	I've seen pictures from space that look pretty detailed.
	Better than that, why do we not have...
	I'm so confused.
	I just said, so for example, the best space telescope we've got is the James Webb Space Telescope.
	Near-sighted or distant sighted?
	Yeah, it wasn't designed to look at something moving that fast that close.
	Bit of an oversight, it's meant for looking deep in like long exposure, deep, deep-filled images looking back over billions of years, stretched out infrared things.
	It's not meant for something like that.
	That's something we should probably get on, I would imagine.
	Yes, shouldn't we?
	It sounds like we need one of those.
	Hopefully, the best, probably the best image we'll get of it is if it doesn't change course.
	When it passes Jupiter, again, we've got an orbiter there, Juno.
	What does that look like?
	And that will, it's actually quite old, actually.
	That's kind of a shit camera on it.
	Apparently, it's going to pass quite close, though.
	And hopefully, that will get the best.
	Yeah, but that's kind of like a Nokia 2610 level camera on it.
	Also, yeah, right.
	Also, one thing which some of the slightly more Tinfoil hat wearers would say is that out of NASA, the Chinese, and the European Space Agency, it's only the European Space Agency that has released anything.
	Because that flyby happened on either the third or fourth of this month, and it's days later.
	And the Europeans said, We've got this.
	So, probably NASA and the Chinese, but certainly NASA will have better images.
	They just haven't released yet.
	Some of the conspiracy types are like, oh, that's weird.
	Although, NASA as a federal body is actually all on furlough and it's like closed down because the whole US government is on shutdown at the moment, isn't it?
	Did you see the pizza tracker thing?
	What?
	Oh, yeah, yeah, you love the pizza tracker stuff.
	Yeah, so there's this, there's a count, and what they do is they track the pizza parlour next to the Pentagon.
	And whenever they get a spike in pizza orders late at night, normally means something bad is about to happen.
	It went off a couple of weeks ago.
	Oh, and we didn't go to war.
	So what were they doing in the Pentagon?
	I beckon it was this.
	I think so.
	Yes.
	Wasn't that when Pete Hegseff had that massive meeting with all the generals?
	Well, this is what I talk about with like the slop end of the spectrum.
	On some channels, they were saying exactly that when Pete Hegsef got all the top brass together, they were like, it's because they need to put a plan together to defeat 3I Atlas.
	Yeah, and he was just saying, get in shape.
	Being fat isn't a good look.
	For a general.
	Pizza.
	I mean, it's a follow-up for being fat.
	Also, here's a massive number of pizzas.
	Well, some people say that the whole government, US government shutdown is to suppress information about this.
	But I mean, come on, that's for me, that's obviously just nonsense.
	But I mean, who knows?
	Who knows?
	Maybe it isn't.
	But I would have thought so.
	Yeah, people are saying, people have got all sorts of crazy ideas and thoughts and feelings about it.
	If you ever heard of the WOW signal back from the 70s, where SETI got a particular, particularly strong signal coming from the same direction that 3E Atlas is coming from.
	Was it actually the same place?
	Okay.
	That's interesting.
	And some people are saying, oh, maybe they were pinging us.
	And like, maybe they were scanning for us.
	And they were like, oh, got you.
	The thing is, 3E Atlas has probably been flying through the interstellar medium for billions of years, though.
	So.
	okay there's loads more to say loads more of interesting things and to point out but my time has basically come to it that's what they think a mua mua look like um There's loads more things to say, but we've run out of time.
	I would say it's almost certainly well, I wouldn't call it a comet, but it's almost certainly a natural object that's just odd to us.
	But it could be at some point in December, it hits the news that it's appeared from behind the sun and it's slowed down and changed course.
	And it's turned red.
	And I will attempt it.
	And Dan Wintertainer at that point, yeah.
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	Okay.
	Oh, that's confusing.
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	Brokenomics video suggestion.
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	Yeah, I mean, I'd be more worried about the pending destruction, but yeah.
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	I don't even know what that's a reference to.
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	No, looking at it, I should be on the flipped on the thing.
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	Because yeah, I tweeted that out.
	It actually didn't.
	That should have had so many more views, genuinely.
	It's a very good piece.
	Yes.
	Well, it only came out this afternoon, so.
	What was the pick that you paid?
	Oh, I did a daily as well, but there's not many people on that channel.
	Yeah, there was a longer one that was out yesterday.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, possibly.
	Well, anyway, yes.
	What's out?
	Oh, no, it would have been yesterday, yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so that must get more views.
	Yeah.
	Because watch it.
	It's really good, genuinely.
	Yes.
	I don't recognize it to the randomly.
	It was good.
	Kevin Vox says, oh, this is a total narrative collapse.
	Sorry, but the father should have been on the watch list simply for naming his son Jihad.
	Yeah, I mean.
	Again.
	I mean, if any Englishman had a son and they called him like Crusader of the Infidels or something.
	Well, what annoyed me the most about that is the RAF Crusaders had to change their bloody name.
	Right.
	But we let in some turd blossom called Jihad.
	And it's like, what?
	Yes.
	And the Home Office just stamped it.
	Jimbo G says, good seeing a police car outside a synagogue.
	Oh, yeah, good seeing a police car outside a synagogue on the commute to work.
	Really happy it's come to this.
	Why wouldn't we want more of this?
	It's our strength after all.
	Yes, maybe.
	Detects a hint of something.
	Yeah, it might have been sarcasm, though.
	Never.
	And Luke West says, all English are equal, but some English were more equal than others.
	Yes, I believe that is how it works.
	Do you want to do something from your...
	Can you see the...
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see it, yeah.
	Yeah, so we've got Fuzzy Toaster.
	Says the green party is the watermelon party, green on the outside, but it's mostly red on the inside.
	I like that.
	That's funny.
	Ed Miller band Harnessing Enoch's Spinning Grave.
	Fantastic name.
	It says, boob hypnotism works.
	When I stay there long enough, they get bigger as the woman walks over to slap me.
	Sophie says none of these people know what fascism is nor do they care Remember, they don't call you a fascist because they believe it's true.
	They call you a fascist, so it is now allowed to hurt you.
	Yeah, that is the point, isn't it?
	Stochastic terrorism, basically.
	Yeah, well, are you gonna do something else?
	Okay, let's have a look.
	Justin B says, If this is interstellar, are we going to have some aliens knocking on the atmosphere asking for their ball back?
	Omar Awad says, In fact, I had a monthly gold tier Zoom call, and I think we pronounce his name incorrectly every time.
	So, if we are doing that, apologies for that.
	I seem to remember the first name or the second name, the second name, I think.
	Oh, I just say award because it looks vaguely close to it.
	And okay, anyway, yeah, but it's probably not right.
	I won't believe it's aliens until it hits Buenos Aires.
	Remember Buenos Aires, jokes aside.
	The scale of distance and speed involved would mean any deliberate alien endeavor would have to have been started long before humanity existed.
	Yeah.
	What if it slowed down, though?
	Or originally it was heading for Mars because there was life on Mars three billion years ago.
	Well, what if it was moving faster before we got it detected?
	Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Or it's only a theory that we think it's been moving through the interstellar medium for billions of years.
	That's what it seems to suggest, I think.
	I don't know if we know that for 100% sure.
	It only showed up on our radar, so to speak, on the 1st of July.
	So I'll leave it to the scientists, but that's what they say.
	But it's an interesting point.
	They would have.
	It's not like they thought it's not possible that the aliens sort of heard our first radio emissions from the 1930s or the 1940s.
	Heard that and was like, and then went Dark Forest.
	It was like, we need to annihilate them.
	And then they sent 3i Atlas.
	Those time scales don't make sense, don't work.
	Yeah, so it's not that.
	What was the first most powerful radio signal that we sent out then?
	What was the first thing that we've done?
	The Munich Olympics, where Hitler was giving out an alien saw that was like straight away, right, we're going there.
	We want to meet this guy.
	He's the leader of Earth.
	Yeah, have you not seen the film Contact with Jodie Foster written by Carl Sagan?
	It would be funny if they built a whole religion around him and they turn up.
	Yeah.
	All excited.
	They'd only seen the first three years of Hitler where people liked him and he was on the front of like People Magazine or Time Magazine.
	Yeah.
	They're like, we've come to see the great Adolf.
	Yeah.
	And how would that go down?
	We're going to share with you all this advanced technology, immortality and space travel and all the rest of it.
	We just want to share our love for Radolf Hitler with you.
	That's going to put them in a real bind, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	And we've got to go, we're not much of a fan of you, actually, anymore.
	All right, so that's the time up, I think, isn't it?
	Oh, yes, it is.
	Yes.
	Well, very good.
	We've had a lovely podcast, everybody.
	And thank you for turning up.

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