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	Hello and welcome to Podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode uh twelve sixty-nine on this the 8th of October.
	I'm joined by um Bo and Nate.
	Um why is everybody in the comments mentioning state of politics?
	Is everybody's talking about this new channel state of politics?
	Do you know anything about that, you guys?
	That's very kind of you, Dan.
	Me and Nate do have our own channel, it's called the State of Politics.
	Check it out on YouTube.
	Consider subscribing.
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	Um what are you gonna be doing?
	So we're gonna be talking about how the liberal narrative has completely collapsed.
	Um how the green uh party is a bit of a clown show, apparently.
	Oh yes.
	Okay, well, let's let's find out if you can back that up, if you've got any evidence for that.
	And um you're gonna be talking about the alien invasion which is scheduled for Thursday.
	Yes.
	There's something unknown hurtling directly towards Earth is going to impact us.
	We're all doomed.
	Yes.
	Well, that is bad news indeed, but uh we come back to that because um yes, we've got to we've got to cheer people up a little bit before we get to our impending doom nation.
	Damn nation.
	No.
	Is it doom nation?
	I want I want doom nation.
	Yeah, that should be a word if it's make doom nation great again.
	Yes, that's what I want.
	Um but no, total narrative collapse, uh, which I'm gonna tell you, and and why do we have total narrative collapse?
	It's because um well, for the reasons that I'm gonna go into, but also we have forgotten our morals.
	And that is why I'm gonna tell you about our new course uh before we go any further.
	Um Stelios, our um resident Greek philosopher, uh, has teamed up with um um Carl, our resident um he's got a master's now, hasn't he?
	Yeah.
	Um and and they are talking about all of the ancient moral morality that the ancients knew and we have forgotten.
	And um Carl did explain it to me, but the short version is that um today you're supposed to be good, you got a long list of rules, and if you don't break any of the rules, then you're a good person.
	Uh right.
	So it's a constrained morality.
	Whereas the ancients, for them, morality was was a product of your deeds and actions.
	It was how you lived that made you good.
	So essentially what this course is going to teach you is how to be good.
	Now, if if you're a bit thinking, well, um, you know, a university level course is is a bit daunting, we'll just sign up to the webinar and you'll get um you know the key information on that, which is on the 9th tomorrow at 6 pm.
	So go there, put your name in, email, click the button, and you can join the webinar.
	That's free.
	Yes, and you can learn about it.
	I'll be on one of those in a couple of weeks' time as well, by the way.
	So very good.
	Very good.
	Watch this space.
	Alright, so so total narrative collapse.
	Um I'm gonna refer you to the case of um you know this this uh this chap here.
	This is I mean, it is I mean it's very tragic.
	But also it's all almost comedic, the level of narrative collapse that this story is given to our our our current liberal elite to try and deal with.
	So every drip drip of this case has just completely exterminated everything that they've been they've been pushing at us.
	So for example that's an odd-looking belt he's wearing that.
	It's very avant-garde.
	Yes, maybe it's a satchel or something, I don't know.
	You you you see these fashion shows and you always think nobody's gonna wear that.
	Maybe he's the one guy that did.
	It's a new design of bumbag, Fanny Pack.
	Whatever.
	The Sentex.
	It looks like cotton wolf buds, but uh I know.
	Well, he was a fake anyway, wasn't it?
	Yeah.
	But um no, I mean the remember this case started off as a man has attacked a synagogue.
	Oh yes.
	A man.
	Now the the the BBC I mean they know that they know how this stuff operates.
	So immediately they started attacking the far right.
	Sky News did as well, I remember.
	Well, the sky news actually kept on calling it uh an attack on a mosque.
	Because if there's a story about a Muslim guy and it's bad, well, it must be an attack on a mosque.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	Um then and then photos emerged of this chap with a with a big beard um with uh as you say avant-garde taste in belts.
	Could possibly be a Muslim though, based on his image either.
	I remember he's white, right?
	He's white, so and this emerged, and and bear in mind that this happened just a day after the Labour Party conference, Where they had spent the previous week hammering home basically one message.
	That it doesn't matter if your name is was it Shami what's our home secretary?
	Shammuz Shabana Mahmoud.
	Shimana Ma it doesn't matter if your name is Shamama MacBood, Jahad al Shami, or Bob English, all three are equally as English as each other.
	So right after that narrative, we get we get this guy emerged.
	And then it emerges that his name is literally Jihad.
	But I I thought that was I thought that meant like in you know internal struggle or or I have it on good authority.
	The police that says that that's definitely not a holy war.
	Definitely definitely no violence involved.
	When I ran it through the Google Translate, it came out as holy war from Syria.
	Oh, that's different then, isn't it?
	And and then it emerged that Holy War from Syria had been granted British citizenship.
	So somebody at the home office was was looking through the list of applicants and saw Holy War from Syria applying to live in Manchester right next to a massive Jewish area and was like, Yeah, yeah, get me my green stamp.
	Yeah.
	Done.
	Yeah, this is yes.
	What could possibly go wrong here?
	Right.
	Um Then it emerged Um that actually one of the two victims was shot by not well was killed not by him, but actually shot by police.
	Is that true?
	Because I heard that at one point, and then they stopped people just stopped saying that.
	Is that definitely true?
	Well, the police said so.
	Okay.
	Yeah, they said the coroner's examination like revealed that it has uh wounds uh exhibited, like gunshot wounds, basically it's that one.
	The coroner has found he's being shot, and since he didn't have a gun and no officers did, we therefore conclude And Mr. Jihad wasn't armed with a firearms so that then explodes the narrative that that the correct thing to do is is for the state to have a complete monopoly on violence for everybody to complete completely defenseless because you can just rely on the state to dish out violence judiciously.
	Now I I I you know I'm not saying against the officer who you know very unfortunately made an error and he's gonna have to live with that for the rest of his life, and it's it is tragic.
	I'm sure he didn't do it deliberately.
	No.
	No, it seems unlikely.
	Yeah.
	Um but nevertheless it does explode the narrative that the state having a total monopoly on violence is is perhaps not the most robust uh case that you could possibly make.
	Right.
	Then it emerged that he was out on bail.
	Uh I didn't know that.
	Did you not there's really there's even there's even worse just than that.
	I don't know if you're gonna say the the even worse thing.
	You you say the even worse bit now, just in case I have missed it.
	Oh, so his ex-girlfriend has revealed that she reported him to the police because she he sh she was being shown terror terror materials by him and he said he wanted to join ISIS, so she reported him to the police and they did nothing.
	Yeah, I mean interesting choice, isn't it?
	I mean, I I remember when I mean while he's raping.
	Yes.
	Uh yeah.
	Oh right.
	Oh yeah.
	I mean I remember when I was a younger man, I might I might, you know, sit down with a lady friend and say, let's put this video on, it will get us that kind of thing.
	Whereas he sits down with his girlfriend, it's like I've got some I've got some um beheading videos out of Syria.
	Let's watch these.
	And she was like, hang on.
	Hang on a minute.
	I'm not up for that.
	Darling.
	This is a step too far.
	Do you want to watch some Peshmerga armoured personnel carriers being blown up by ISIS in 2014?
	Can't we just watch it?
	You don't.
	Can't we just watch a hot leaves VHS or something?
	Or you know, can't we can't we just do what my normal boyfriends do?
	But no, we've got to watch we've got to watch beheading videos.
	So yes, um this guy was was known to police.
	Well, he should have been known to counter terrorism police.
	That that that's the thing, right?
	Sh so when I say worse than being, you know, graped.
	Yes, um it that's obviously not worse than being grape, obviously.
	But I get I guess what I meant is like that's a fundamental failure across the board, isn't it?
	That that's one of the worst failings because when she reported him to the police, at that point they should have kept an eye on him, and which probably would have actually prevented the the the future grape which he was out on bail for, and then which of them you'd think would have then prevented this, but it wasn't.
	So it's just systematic failings.
	I don't know, but anyway, you you don't think I don't know the details of the case, but he's got a beard, so you don't get you don't get bail if you're British if you're Bob English and you tweet something, you won't get bail for that.
	The problem yeah, right.
	One of the problems is though that someone reports a uh a gentleman like Mr. Jihad to the authorities, and they're like, Yeah, we know there's like seventy thousand of them.
	Yeah, there's there's no possible way we can watch him twenty four seven.
	So thanks for letting us know.
	One per cent of the UK Muslim population is is on the terrorism watch list, one percent, right?
	And that is 300 times the rate of the next closest group.
	But even that is an undercount.
	Oh yeah.
	Well, yeah.
	As in, well, yes.
	This is exhibit A on the undercount, isn't it?
	And he even if even if a if a if a lady goes to the police and say, look, my boyfriend is making me watch beheading videos out of Syria, I think he's a bit suspect.
	They're like, yeah, it doesn't escalate a bit more.
	It doesn't meet the benchmark.
	No, he he's probably he's probably just into that sort of thing.
	He doesn't meet the benchmark.
	Whereas if a British person were to tweet something, you know, a bit a bit you know, showing reluctance to get on board with the liberal narrative, yeah.
	No bail for you, you're going straight inside.
	Thing is, another thing to say to point out again, is obviously this man's a foreign national.
	I mean, if he's into ISIS Syrian beheading videos, if you remember the Beatles, Jihadi John, Mohammed Mwazi.
	Um he grew up, he grew up here, he was actually born in the Emirates, but he came here when he was a very, very small child at primary school and grew up here, went to school here.
	He still decided to ultimately behead people.
	Yes.
	So I I haven't got to the end of my list of how bad it is.
	But after that, we then found out that somebody, and this hasn't been confirmed as him yet, but you know, how how many holy wars from Syria are there in Manchester?
	Um somebody with his name had been sending death threats to MPs.
	Oh yeah.
	And again, yeah, again, that did not meet the benchmark of yeah, we're going to add him to the 1% of you know the 70,000 people that we're watching.
	That contributed to that MP stepping down, didn't it?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Then we find out that his dad is an NHS surgeon.
	So the whole reason that we need to import millions of people is because the NHS will literally collapse if we don't import as many people as possible.
	Right.
	And his dad.
	Um yeah.
	Let's see if we've got a photo here.
	Surely sending death threats to a sitting MP is sort of immediate top of the list or near top of the list.
	Well, if you did it, yes.
	Right.
	But obviously not if your name is Holy War from Syria.
	So we have had MPs uh murdered, yes, haven't we?
	Yes.
	Like that.
	It's not like not so long ago.
	His name was David Amos.
	Now now now this guy, this um NHS surgeon.
	Well, he's done a bit of NHS stuff, but he's also done um some other work, and he is described as um I think Merry um covered this quite well.
	Uh he's described as a trauma surgeon for various NGOs, and she asked the question, is this officialized for Islamic battlefield medic?
	I don't know.
	Could be.
	It could be that, couldn't it?
	The one thing I think is do you do you ever watch those films where you know somebody in the mafia gets shot or something, and they're like, take him to the hospital, and he's like, No, we can't go to the hospital.
	I know a guy.
	Yeah, and we go to a guy.
	I I wonder if when you know things get lively, what what is this guy's role gonna be?
	Is he gonna be the guy that you go and see?
	Like when Gus Frain got poisoned in breaking bad, he's got he's got his own doctor on hands.
	Right, yeah.
	Yes, so you know, and and then like and as as if this narrative collapse was not so complete and total at this point, the left were desperate.
	Oh, can I also just add all gone then?
	We we pay for his house, he's in a council house.
	Well, the surgeon, yeah.
	Just just want to add that to surgeon is an account.
	Yeah, he's in a council house, yeah, yeah.
	Just just to annoy you.
	To annoy you.
	I'm 99.9% certain that is the case.
	I've read it, I've had a look.
	Okay, I did I didn't know.
	Everything I could find, he was in a council house.
	I just I didn't know that bit.
	Yep.
	But I mean that doesn't surprise me.
	I mean, this is total narrative collapse.
	Is he a first generation immigrant?
	Was he born in Syria?
	Yes, both both of them were, and they came over when the son was younger.
	Right.
	Right.
	Love it.
	Anyway, so the left the left was then absolutely reeling from this narrative collapse.
	And and you've added actually a couple of bits that I didn't even put on the list, which just goes to show how complete the the narrative collapse on this one was.
	But then a couple of mosques got set on fire.
	And the left loved this.
	And all weekend, my my Twitter uh timeline was just one Labour MP after another saying this is disgraceful, you know, we must stand up against this, the far right.
	Um they all managed to ignore the 400 churches that've been satellite in the last 10 years.
	Didn't you know you're not you're not allowed to ask questions about those ones?
	Yeah.
	None of those are arson.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Every single one of those is a spontaneous church.
	It has to have to be faulty wiring.
	And I I'd imagine a couple of them are faulty wiring.
	Yeah.
	But it's it's funny how wiring has got so much worse in the last ten years.
	Plus, a lot of like 17th, 18th century churches don't really have any.
	Right, yes.
	And they're made from stone, so if there was traditionally stone is is not that combustible.
	But anyway, so ignore the 400 churches that have been satellite, focus on these couple of mosques that have been have been satellite.
	Um that fell apart as well.
	Uh as as reported here, a 43-year-old man, Arif Ali Rak Rafik has been charged in uh uh in connection to an attempted arson at a mosque.
	Right.
	Not not I'm not getting strong far right vibes from traditionally a British name, is it?
	No, it's not it's not Bob English, is it?
	So is it to try and frame the far right, or is it like an inter Shia Sunni thing?
	Do we know do we actually know why he did it?
	Honestly, or why he say he did it.
	I don't care.
	It's just that's a reasonable point.
	Yeah, it no i it is it it is a reasonable question, but if if I were to get drawn into why these groups hate each other, I mean you'd be there all day.
	Was he trying to frame white people?
	Okay.
	But but the the MPs, the left wing Labour MPs, they were certainly like look at this, uh an attack on a mosque.
	Yeah, battle stations, battle stations.
	This is this is unacceptable, this is not what so anyway.
	I mentioned this on Twitter, and then I had loads of people come back at me and say, No, not that one, the other one.
	Okay, right, okay, fine.
	So we just we just ignore the one that was attacked by Arif Ali Rafiki, just ignore that one, right?
	Let's have a look at the other one then.
	Um, and as has been reported here by this chap, um, the other one was doing a charity appeal to raise 260 grand to pay off some debts.
	And then after the attack, they're now doing a charity appeal for 260 grand to repair the damage on the mosque.
	So what to repair damage to the mosque.
	I mean, there's only the fire that it was only the the the car that burnt down, uh it was only the mosque uh doors that were burnt.
	What too sorry, what yeah, but they need 260 grand.
	So I see you know, don't don't don't don't don't question that too much.
	Right.
	Oh, I see.
	You know, again, huh?
	I mean that it's uh it's been a really bad week for the liberal narrative.
	Right.
	Now, if if if that isn't bad enough, um I I I I want to talk about I want to talk about um an idea in physics.
	Now this might seem a divergence, but I've I've got an animation here.
	Let's see if we can we can put play the.
	Quantum fluctuations refer to the inherent how do we turn off the sound?
	There we go.
	Yeah, and I'll let Samson do, he knows what he's doing.
	Yeah, so so I've got an animation.
	This is called something a quantum fluctuation, and basically the idea is out of absolutely nothing, you can create something.
	Fresh into and then out of existence.
	Yes, yeah, but a part of a particle and an anti-particle.
	You have to create both at the same time.
	Um, but it doesn't last very long, and it's not very stable, and then they the the particle and the anti-particle they annihilate each other.
	Right.
	Because they they it's an inherently a contradiction from nothingness.
	Hmm.
	Which made me think of the liberal world order.
	So I thought what we'd do is is we would go through And and have a look at the ten principles of the liberal world order, both the particle and the antiparticle.
	Feel free to comment whenever you like.
	So the first one is the particle is diversity is our strength, and the antiparticle is we must wage war on division.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Stop me whenever you want to.
	But the next one is Britain needs immigration for its economic growth.
	The antiparticle being native workers must be taxed ever higher to pay for it.
	Yeah.
	Or I don't know if you've already got this one, but um Britain needs more diversity, as much as possible, as quickly as possible, but also it has always been diverse, going back to the Roman years.
	Yes, good point.
	Oh, and also what what is it?
	Um Britain's racist, but diversity built Britain.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's systematically inherently racist.
	Yes.
	But was built by them.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I mean, as you as you can see, like their entire narrative, because it comes from nothing, because it's not based on reality.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It has to have these two poles.
	Now now with my my little animation here, apparently these things, they always annihilate annihilate each other almost instantly.
	But with enough energy, you can stop that from happening.
	And the only example that I'm aware of is if they form really close to a black hole.
	A black hole is strong enough to just keep one away from the other.
	But it it takes quite a lot to stop this thing from collapsing.
	An infinite amount of gravity.
	Yes.
	Right.
	And that's kind of where our liberal narrative is.
	Is that they're having to expend a huge amount of energy on stopping this thing from collapsing itself.
	The next one is we are all equally British, while the anti-particle is but but two-tiered justice for the natives.
	So it is something like Jahad al Shami is exactly equal to Bob English.
	But Bob English is not exactly equal to Jihad Al Shami.
	Yeah.
	We're we're all the same.
	Yes.
	All cultures are equal, but you can't have a flag.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Or bail.
	For tweets.
	Yes.
	Number four.
	Multiculturalism benefits everybody at the same time.
	National identity must be dismantled.
	Yeah.
	No more Christmases.
	Don't have that.
	Yeah.
	Might offend people.
	Quite simply, is it promote all different um nationalities and cultures apart from our one?
	Yes.
	Even though it benefits everybody, apparently to have these these multiple cultures.
	All five is a good one.
	The rules-based liberal order guarantees peace.
	The anti-particle being that peace requires perpetual war against anybody who's outside the liberal rules-based order.
	Yeah, ru war with Russia must never end.
	That's uh that's a classic 1984 double think thing, or classic communist Soviet era thing.
	Is that uh unless you join the comintern, unless you join communism, you're uh at odds with peace.
	And how can we have peace until everybody's been defeated?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Um, oh, this is this is a good one.
	This would take us back to COVID.
	Um the experts are neutral and have all of the answers.
	Also, if you question the experts and they can't answer you, you must be censored and attack and deplatformed.
	Yeah.
	And only listen to certain certain experts as well.
	Yes.
	I'm hoping the approved ones.
	Yes.
	I'm so hoping RFK has got Dr. Fauci in his site somewhere down the line.
	Yes.
	Hopefully, Trump's uh DOJ actually go after.
	I was hoping to see the good doctor.
	Yeah, well, one at a time.
	Start with Comey, see where we go.
	As long as as long as as long as I see a lot of the old Biden in a people in jail.
	I'll be happy with that.
	Be nice.
	Um, I like this one.
	Um the NHS is a foundation of Britain, and we would all die without it.
	Also, the NHS is chronically underfunded and broken because we're not spending 99% of our GDP on it.
	I've always struggled with that, even as a little kid.
	Yeah.
	I I I couldn't get my head around why it was simultaneously the best thing ever, and also it was broken.
	Yeah.
	Um, number eight, um, democracy reflects the will of the people.
	At the same time, populism must be defeated.
	Yeah.
	I mean, what is populism?
	It's basically just what people want, what's popular.
	Yeah.
	Ah, but that wouldn't be our democracy, would it?
	Yes.
	As they call it.
	It's all just a delusion anyway.
	Yes.
	Oh yeah.
	I've heard that, yeah.
	Yeah, I've always even when I was young, or just old enough to actually uh start to understand terms properly when you're like, I don't know, 14 or 15 or something in that age.
	I thought wait, how is populism either left wing populism or right wing populism?
	How is that bad?
	If it's popular for the majority of people again again, I thought that isn't that what isn't that the at the heart of democracy.
	Isn't that literally democracy?
	Yeah.
	Most people agree with that.
	Don't do that.
	That's bad.
	Democracy requires defeating whatever is popular.
	Like uh well uh why it is an elitist thing, isn't it though?
	It's anti-democracy, isn't it?
	Um I think that's a bit of um uh a middle class elitist thing though, isn't it?
	It's like, oh well, even though if it's popular, the majority of of people want it.
	They're they're stupid.
	Yeah, they're they're working class idiots.
	They're the plebs or something, yeah.
	They don't they don't they don't know what's good for them.
	Yeah, yeah.
	If you left it if you left it up to them, they'd bring back the death penalty.
	Well, why don't we just bring back the death penalty then?
	And tap maybe with a good time.
	Yeah.
	Um nine, um Britain is post-racial, at the same time, race must define every possible outcome, and we've got to have DI part, you know, departments everywhere.
	Well, hang on, which is it?
	We're uh we're either post-racial or we're not.
	Yeah.
	Um and the final one, um individualism is our guiding principle.
	But at the same because i everything about liberal liberalism is its core, it's all about the cult of the individual.
	Individ maximum individual expression, no restrictions on the individual.
	Also, the individual must be restricted monitor, digital ID and controlled.
	And we've got to group you into groups as well.
	Yes.
	So ultimately put you in a tiny cubicle and make you eat bugs.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Um all this is uh there's a you must have seen it on Twitter going round, there's an interesting photo of Owen Jones and that muffin Allen.
	Yeah sometimes an image speaks a thousand words.
	He's a deputy leader of Greens and he's the or that guy is the guy that's about one.
	Yeah, when he when he won his council seat, he was talking about Gaza Al Aru Akbar and uh so um human Owen Jones uh having a bit of uh Kodak moment, both smiling.
	But it's those things, so it's like trying to marry up liberalism or socialism, leftism, whatever you want to say.
	Marry that up with or globalism even, marry it up with sort of what Islam or something, uh multiculturalism married up to an extreme version of sort of monoculture, mono religion.
	Of course that doesn't make any sense.
	It doesn't it won't work, of course.
	Of course.
	And on the leftist side, and and the you know, the the the Muslim Islamic side of that equation don't really make any bones about it.
	They are who they are.
	It's written in the I accept whereas the liberals have to lie to themselves, or the socialists have to lie to themselves to pretend that it's it's all good, it's all okay.
	Um so yes, uh with that, I think that the the whole liberal narrative, I mean I d I just see it as it's got to the point where they can't expend any more energy stopping it from annihilating itself.
	I think it's done.
	Um we're just running on so we got we got to the point of the of the political cycle where they're not even gonna bother with narratives now, they're just gonna use force.
	All they got left.
	Probably we have to do a a commentary thing, let's have a look.
	Luke says uh when leftists advocate for diversity suggest they send their loved ones to Lady Wood with a hidden camera.
	What's in Ladywood?
	I've no idea.
	Don't know what that means.
	No Lady Smith in South Africa.
	I don't know Ladywood.
	I don't know what that means.
	Um James Irving says the state of politics ha have migrated onto the lotus eaters, the real great replacement.
	We we're being replaced.
	We're taking over, you're on our manner now.
	Um and Doom Hand says I fully endorse the idea of doom nation.
	Yes, I think that was the word I made up.
	I like that.
	Uh somebody uh Al Alex says quantum fluctuations are really good at deporting migrants and building space elevators out of transparent graphene.
	Yes.
	Probably a bit beyond my pegway then.
	And uh Tom says a smaller side down, but it sounds like the left has never heard of of pigeons.
	Pijou.
	In understanding the goal is to make the cost of a thing incidental as a thing as possible or reality will.
	Okay.
	You you may have speaking a bit of French to me there, Tom, and I've got confused.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, I don't know if that's a typo.
	I don't know what pig pigo piggy means.
	I I it it's it looks French to me.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	Is it my time?
	Yeah, Goldman.
	Shall we have some fun?
	Dunk on the greens.
	Shall we?
	Because they are a clown show.
	They're a clown show.
	They don't stand for anything.
	They are just a stream of endless content to laugh at.
	Genuinely.
	I love it.
	I haven't followed them that closely, but uh are the are these the ones that are both really fanatical about both recycling and also holy war.
	And also endless people.
	Right.
	So they believe in the environment, but they also want endless people to flood the country.
	I mean, when you say endless people, is it is it more jihadis though?
	Oh, but they don't care.
	They don't discriminate.
	Well they probably don't want South African white farmers.
	No, probably not, but to them, uh who knows.
	They haven't actually outlined too much, to be fair.
	It's just anything and everything.
	So I thought we'd start with this.
	Okay, I thought we'd start with this.
	Because I think this is hilarious.
	How many MPs do you think they're gonna get?
	What have they got now?
	Is it one or two or three?
	It's only about ten years ago they got their first one ever.
	I think they've got two or three now.
	One poll I saw said they might get seven.
	Right, okay, seven.
	Because it's a really weird time in politics.
	I wouldn't be surprised if you said I wouldn't be surprised if they don't get if they got twenty, I wouldn't be that shocked because politics is just all over the place.
	I was gonna go the other way.
	I'd say I wouldn't be surprised if they don't increase at all.
	Yeah.
	It could be anything.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well from the horse's mouth.
	How many MPs are the Greens gonna get after the next general election?
	We're gonna get at least 30.
	At least 30.
	Yep.
	Wow.
	It's time.
	Like the energy in this conference is different.
	It is time.
	It's our moment.
	You know, the Labour Party began, what?
	Had a few seats in 1901, and then it ends up being a mustard government that built the welfare state.
	We can go from now to being the green government that's building the future that's actually got the imagination, the capability, the conviction, the competence to like actually.
	So I'll stop you there.
	Deep political analysis.
	Not just copium, certainly not.
	So they don't have conviction, which I'm gonna show you.
	No, they don't have knowledge, because they're all absolute morons.
	Um and they're not competent remotely anyway.
	So I thought I thought that was I mean they will fit in in Parliament quite nicely then.
	Yeah, I guess so.
	Yeah.
	Thing is about before you go on, Nate.
	Um, just to say they were formed, I think was it over the the 70s or the 80s, and they were formed by uh uh as I understand it anyway, uh genuine sort of environmentalists, and very, very quickly were subverted and co-opted by socialists uh by like harder left than Fabian type leftists.
	Why not?
	And uh that's it, and that's the way it's always been since then.
	Uh so now if you're a bit too left for Labour, you can find a home at the Greens and pretend you care about uh the environment and half Islamic or something.
	Well, and that they're the Islamo Communist Party now.
	They're giving Jez Balar a run for their money.
	So they're they're fighting for the same voter base as Jez Balar.
	Okay.
	But they're less liked.
	Is it even more stupid?
	Is this the one that's led by a Jewish guy?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we'll get to him.
	Don't you worry about it.
	We'll get to hypnoboob.
	Alright.
	Well, Jewish guy is like, let's import as many Muslims as we can and give them a position of power.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, and then the ideological thief was going into massive amounts of recycling when they win.
	Yeah, I mate, honestly, this I just I don't get it.
	This is why they're a clown show.
	So um did you not know uh everyone's a fascist?
	It's not just Zia Youssef or Nigel Farad that are essentially ushering in fascism.
	The Prime Minister has to take a responsibility for this too.
	He stood at the podium and quoted Enoch Powell.
	He said somehow that he didn't know that that's what he was doing.
	I think that's completely incoherent, and I think if that's true, that's also very problematic that he doesn't know his political history, that he didn't know that he was quoting one of the worst fascists this country has ever had.
	Do you think he knew what he was saying?
	I think he knew exactly what he was saying.
	It wasn't a one-off.
	We've had dog whistle after dog whistle.
	Let's go for indefinite leave to remain.
	Taking it from five years to ten years.
	What is that going to achieve?
	If people want Nigel Farage and they want reform, they'll vote for Nigel Farage and reform.
	So chaps, um Enoch Powell, um.
	I mean, me and Bo uh we spoke about this briefly, but um I I'm guessing what he means by Enoch Powell being you know one of the biggest fascists in the world.
	Maybe maybe Enoch Powell uh fought in the war against fascists because he thought that um you know Hitler was gonna steal his thunder Is that is that why Enoch Powell signed up day one?
	There's lots of strange numbers fighting the war.
	I mean, on the state of politics, mine my next channel, check it out, the state of politics.
	I did a whole where we did a whole thing about the life and career of Enoch Powell.
	Oh right.
	And before the war, World War II, he was extremely extremely worried about fascism as an existential threat.
	And on almost literally day one of World War II in 1939, he volunteered.
	He volunteered, and then he fought in North Africa, he wasn't in combat but he was in intelligence, uh, for years in North Africa, defeating Rommel and the fascists on the battlefield, and then went on to fight Japanese fascists in in the Indian theatre, the Burmese theatre and stuff.
	So it was jealousy.
	So it well, it could only be jealousy then if Maybe it was all an act.
	I mean, I I've had leftists when I pointed out that you know the the Nazis were a national socialist party, they've said, oh no, they were just pretending to be socialist.
	It's like it's like right, so so Hitler not only did he expect to lose, he expected to become the modern Satan and therefore his whole career was pretending to be a socialist just so that he could vilify socialists 70 years later.
	That that was actually his whole objective.
	Well that well, that doesn't make any sense.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Yeah, clown show, remember?
	I mean, are they are they displaying traits of a clown show?
	I believe so.
	Also, he didn't quote Enoch Powell.
	Keir Starmer did not quote Enoch Powell, he just said strangers.
	That's all he did.
	Echoed him a bit.
	He said one word.
	Now, is it similar?
	Is it reminiscent?
	Yeah, didn't quote him though, did he?
	Let's not play fast and loose with what quote means.
	Come on now.
	NB, quick note on that, is that in the British in the English parlance, stranger is just meant um someone you don't know for centuries.
	Even in Parliament, there's like the strangest gallery in in in Shakespeare.
	Isn't that what it means today?
	Uh well, yeah, I suppose so.
	Yeah, basically.
	Well it doesn't necessarily mean you can use the word stranger and not necessarily be a fascist.
	No, you know you can't.
	Oh.
	Sorry.
	Polanski has spoken.
	Dave.
	Dave Paul.
	Real name Dave.
	Yeah.
	There is a cafe here in Swindon that I go to a fair bit, and if I haven't been for a while, the the waitress there, the old waitress there, she says to me, Oh, hello, stranger.
	Oh I didn't I didn't realise you was a fascist.
	I mean I have to go there more often now.
	Oh.
	She's probably in the brown shirts.
	No.
	Got a secret shrine for Enoch Powell.
	I'll tell you the only thing that's the biggest fascist of Britain.
	Sorry, to correct myself earlier.
	Um sorry, the pilot used stranger to mean foreigner.
	So in Shakespeare often he'll talk about a stranger, and he means someone from another land.
	So that's better.
	And I'm pretty sure Enoch Powell used it, was using it in that way.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I was gonna say on this clip, the only thing I do agree with him on, is he's basically making the argument is if reform are gonna dominate the the deportation stuff, yeah.
	Why don't there's no point flanking right, you might as well flank left.
	I mean that is his strategy to flank to the left of Labour and hope that the Lady and Tories do what they will do, which is campaign from the centre, and that gives him a clear left wing of votes to go after.
	So yeah, aside from your party, but yeah, yeah, you're right.
	And then yeah.
	Well, when you say that.
	I guess that's kind of the only conviction he has because he he I mean he doesn't actually have any convictions.
	Um this is just fascinating, like actually fascinating.
	I wouldn't do anything that would make Nigel Farage Prime Minister.
	That would be an absolute red line, and that includes proportional representation.
	I think in Nigel Farage we're dealing with a fascist, and as much as I will do anything, almost anything, to make sure we have an actual democracy in this country, I would say making a fascist a Prime Minister would seem counterproductive.
	In terms of a labour coalition, it's something so you wouldn't support PR if I mean that made Nigel Farage Prime Minister.
	No.
	I just think ultimately you have to have a red line.
	And although if you said to me what's the number one thing that I think would change the British political system, I would say it's PR.
	Now before I get at it, I realize that that can seem privileged because people are really struggling with their wages, they're struggling with the cost of living crisis, they're struggling with fascism and and racism.
	All of those things absolutely matter until we get proportional representation.
	I think it's very difficult to deal with those things meaningfully, because we know we could get Farage being Prime Minister on 25 to 30% of the vote, despite a majority not electing him, he could get a huge majority.
	I don't think that's going to happen, but that's a reasonable scenario.
	So PR has to absolutely be the number one thing that I think will unlock all the other things that so many of us want.
	I do also think though, that there has to be basic standards, and seeing Nigel Farage go into number 10, I think no longer becomes about a democratic or constitutional conversation.
	I think it becomes about a crisis, particularly for minority communities, uh, particularly for people who are already terrified and scared.
	And um I could absolutely rule out that under no circumstances would I accept uh any part in playing in making Nigel Farage Prime Minister.
	So it's tying himself in nuts, it's it doesn't make any sense what he's saying.
	There's no there's no sense to it.
	Um it has to be the number one thing that we do, but I'm not I won't do it.
	Yeah.
	I won't do it.
	Because it'll put him in charge.
	It's like he's gonna be the Prime Minister anyway.
	Well uh as well as being incredibly convoluted and self-contradictory, the thing that I couldn't help focus on is I didn't realise that he had like a gap tooth top and bottom row.
	Oh, yeah, he's proper snaggle toothed, yeah.
	He's got like a little denture burqa going on.
	Well, he's dysgenic AF, isn't he?
	Let's be fair.
	Yeah.
	Um and that um and I hadn't noticed that before, and I it kind of distracted me from what he was saying.
	I mean, what he was saying was was not particularly clear, to be honest.
	Yeah, it didn't make any sense.
	It really bugs me when uh leftists, communists just talk about fascism.
	Yeah.
	And it's like I I imagine you've not read anything about it, really.
	Yeah.
	Like actual actual early 20th century fascist thought like coming from Italy places.
	Someone like Ezra Pound or whatever.
	Yeah.
	I d I don't know if he knows anything about it.
	No.
	Um and it's actually real fascism, like uh 1920s, Italian fascism.
	It's quite a niche thing, really.
	It was a moment in time, really.
	Yeah, you had to be there.
	Like Hitlerism is something separate, really.
	Um but no, Nigge is a fascist.
	People are scared, they're struggling with fascism, people.
	The people are yeah, yeah.
	It's alive and well right now.
	What bollocks.
	Well say literally no political conviction at all.
	He's like, yeah, the number one thing that I want to do is bring PR in, because that would really help everyone that I represent, but I won't do it.
	An empty bag, an empty shirt, a man without a thousand for though.
	A man without a chest.
	Farage doesn't need PR.
	No, no, exactly.
	That's the point.
	He's gonna win anyway.
	You're gonna win anyway.
	But you won't be supporting I'm gonna win anyway.
	So what who what do they really stand for?
	Uh any any any suggestions?
	Any thoughts?
	Environmentalists?
	No, I th I th I think it's recycling and holding war.
	From what I can tell.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	Huh.
	I wonder what I wonder what uh Zach's Rabbi thinks about that.
	Hmm.
	I wonder.
	Well, how is that gonna work?
	If if a UK government described the IDF as a terrorist organisation, the Americans would bomb us out of existence within a week.
	I guess this isn't gonna fly.
	I guess they've chosen their um client class, haven't they?
	Yeah.
	Muslims.
	Which side they're butters, uh which side their breads buttered.
	Um because it is interesting to have uh uh a Jewish gay communist uh ultra globalist type as the leader and then an Islamist as a deputy leader.
	Like that's an interesting dynamic, isn't it?
	And it seems, well, seems that Moffian Ali is probably uh the momentum's with him, if that's anything to go by.
	What what does he think is gonna happen to him?
	If if the Islamics get in power.
	He's he's dancing on thin eyes, isn't he?
	He'll be the last one they throw off a roof.
	Yeah.
	I guess.
	Don't visit.
	Well, he's been a good ally to them after the.
	If anything, he'd be the first one thrown off a roof because he's the leader and the deputy will then they can then take over.
	He's standing in the way, isn't he?
	I think he's quite high up the list of people who get thrown off the roof.
	Yeah, it's a pipe dream if he thinks he's among the last.
	Yeah, it'll be among among the first, wouldn't it?
	Clown show, see.
	Are we are we starting to see the the inevitable circus that is the Green Party?
	I I've got one especially just for you now, um Dan.
	I thought you'd like this.
	Right.
	So what's this?
	Uh Green Party is going to Oh, right.
	How how would that how would that work?
	Well, for people who are only listening.
	Oh, yes.
	The headline is Green Party backs plan to see end of private letting.
	So no landlords.
	No landlords.
	No Kulaks.
	Okay, but how?
	How how would this work?
	So everybody who's renting gets turfed out, or does every every landlord has their house seized by the state?
	I mean Well, that's the classic communist thing.
	It's it's state property now.
	Right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So what they what they really stand for is green with envy, right?
	Yes.
	And Muslims.
	So if you've got any element of wealth, can't have that, so I think communism, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It is just Islam of fascism.
	No, Islamo-communism.
	Yeah, pretty much, yeah.
	Right.
	Until the Islamists get full control and they do away with any remnant of uh socialism or communism, just have Sharia.
	Are there any good historical examples of Bose of communists teaming up with Islamists in order to bring about a revolution?
	And if so, how did it end for the communist five minutes after the revolution was complete?
	I believe there was one, was it not in Persia?
	Oh yeah, there is that one.
	There's that one, isn't there?
	What happened to the communists five minutes after they won?
	They got effed up beyond all recognition.
	Is that modern day?
	Quite quickly, yeah.
	Yes, that's what's put up against Warren Shot, I seem to remember.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Sharia's not interested in whether you're uh a liberal or socialist, uh uh conservative, libertarian.
	It's all the same to them.
	But maybe it's different this time.
	It's always different this time.
	Right.
	Always.
	Uh but look, you know, I guess uh one thing we could count on the Greens for among all of this as well.
	Uh they're gonna stop the boats by just creating a new dock and allowing them to come in.
	Right.
	So we're gonna stop the small boats by putting on larger boats.
	We're gonna put on ferries.
	Yeah, and planes, just safe and legal routes.
	Uh so infinity immigrants until the end of time, even though there's wealth inequality and they need to tax the rich.
	I mean, I think you've you you've spoken about the um that curve that happens when you talk to the Africa.
	Yeah.
	So their plan is just to tax people to oblivion um to pay for infinity third worlders, which presumably would be Muslims and less revenue that way.
	So basically all you're doing is destroying rich people, not actually creating any more revenue.
	But don't you know that they they're hoarding it like Scrooge McDuck?
	Yes, must be.
	The real problem, the root of all this country's problems, In fact, the world's problems are rich people.
	Yeah.
	Particularly like billionaires, particularly the Uber rich.
	Well, they're only first on the hit list, to be perfectly honest.
	They will go all the way down to tiny landlords.
	Well they've already said they're gonna say straight up landlords.
	Look at the face, the smiling face of evil.
	I don't know if he's evil or just incredibly stupid.
	I think he's not.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I'm not having it anymore.
	I'm just accidentally want to flood you to oblivion.
	Yeah, no, that is evil.
	Yeah, I know I don't know.
	That is evil.
	Just accidentally are in favour of all the policies that would drive this country off a cliff accidentally.
	And I've never really looked at this guy, but the more I see that gap tooth, the more it puts me off.
	No, I know I know I can talk, because I've had a tooth knocked out years ago, and I'd I'd keep thinking uh I'll get one of those bloody implants I can't be bothered, but I mean come on.
	Josh is good on this.
	For people if you've got uh if your eyes are too far apart, or if you've got a gap in in your in your front teeth, particularly on the bottom.
	Um it means that your skull didn't fuse properly entirely properly in the middle when you were in new topics.
	Mine was bashed out, it's not it's not because of dysmorphic, but I mean spend a bit of money.
	Yeah, if you're gonna go on.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is also the man that believes he can enlarge boobs with hypnotism.
	Yeah, what is that all about?
	I've seen that going around on Twitter, people saying all that.
	What is the actual That is the story here?
	That was just a st he genuinely thought he could increase boobage with hypnosis.
	Hypnosis.
	Yeah, hypno boob, yeah.
	What was he successful?
	D do we know if this works?
	Yeah, if we got tangible results on this.
	And and was not.
	And was he he hypnotized them and then they woke up and their boobs were bigger but also a bit swollen and sore.
	Yeah, well he's gay though, isn't he?
	So he wouldn't be taxing them if that's the not that you're insinuating that.
	I I hate I'd hate to implicate you.
	But I think I think what we need to know is is can he actually hypnotize people and make their boobs bigger?
	Because if he can't need him back on that.
	Well, you know, hypnotism is a good thing.
	Yeah, I mean I mean I'd be game for that.
	Yes, I'm I'm game for sure.
	It's all about the power of suggestion.
	Bigger cleavage.
	Like um hypnotism.
	Yeah, the power of suggestion.
	Your pits are people uh people that are very, very strong-minded that that Jedi mind trick just doesn't work on them.
	There's a certain number of people that basically can't be hypnotized because it it doesn't work.
	And hypnotism is a type of tricksterism.
	Uh yeah, like kind of a in my opinion, a bit of a gross thing.
	Um, does he think he can do that to the whole world?
	What you can just say green policies.
	Well, I mean, his his party is on the rise.
	Um they are on the rise.
	I don't think they're gonna get the th at least 30 MPs.
	That's unlikely.
	The next election is gonna be so screwed up on the left that and anything could happen on the left.
	If your party get traction and stuff, that would take a big dent out of Greens and that's the thing, is Jeremy never underestimate Jeremy Corbyn's ability to uh generate young people loving him for some unbennoced reason.
	To be fair, that's a good point.
	Why would you vote for the Jewish-led Islamic communist party when you can go for the actual Corbyn-led sympathies?
	Islamo Communist Party.
	Yeah.
	Well, I can I could just imagine, you know, well, what's his name?
	You know, um Sheriff Al Kebab or whatever in Birmingham who could vote for I'm making it up, but yeah, right.
	Young young guy second gener th second or third generation immigrant um who can vote for the first time.
	Where's he gonna go?
	Is he gonna go for the Jewish-led Islamic party or is he gonna go for the Corbin led Islamic Party?
	Polanski is the leader.
	Yes.
	Or Jeremy Corbyn.
	So something tells me that the Corbyn one is is more like get traction.
	Corbyn's got more gravitas than Dave.
	Pauldon.
	Dave Paulden.
	Yeah.
	Corbyn knows the ropes.
	I mean, he's actually been leader of Her Majesty's loyal opposition, hasn't he?
	And he got more votes and done jack.
	He got more votes in that election than Labour got winning this time.
	Yeah.
	So yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So he's not a complete failure at the ballot box.
	You you can say that about Corbin, unfortunately.
	But what you can say is that the Green Party is a clown show.
	Yes.
	And a joke.
	Yes.
	Shall we uh we could get some of these uh comments now?
	What's this?
	Uh Ladywood is in Birmingham, apparently.
	Oh okay.
	Uh I didn't know Luke.
	I've not been there.
	Uh DTEC says uh state of politics dragging Lotus Eaters to the right.
	I sense a reform low dynamic in the ranks.
	Is that suggested I'm imminently gonna get fired for being too based?
	I don't know.
	I got I got a telling off just before we came on here for moving too far to the right.
	Oh yeah, yeah, you did, yeah.
	Producer came from Sandwood.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Outrageous, outrageous.
	Uh what's this?
	Uh Gimli.
	Uh I think listening to this Polanski dude has cost me some IQ points.
	Sorry about that, mate.
	Uh and Luke J says only if Farage was the things they said he is, PS No Worries for the donations.
	Oh, thank you.
	Um just one from cranky Texan as well, just says fascist just means enemy uh enemy to them, nothing more.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Because they don't have the intellectual fortitude to actually articulate a counter-argument to, They just go fascist or racist.
	It's like yeah, you're an idiot.
	You're an imbecile.
	It's very easy, isn't it?
	You just learn that word when you're like ten or something, and that's it.
	It's all you need.
	And the tragic thing is what is wrong.
	Yeah.
	Uh you know, fascists are gonna take over the government.
	It's like really Nigel Faradro, right?
	Uh didn't Dave Green Dave, didn't he call um even Starmer a fascist the other day?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Or implied he was.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Uh bringing in fascism, yeah, yeah.
	Outrageous.
	Outrageous.
	Alright, let's talk about our imminent destruction uh at the hands of uh a rogue comet which is gonna smash into Earth and kill us all.
	That does sound bad.
	Yeah.
	Um why aren't we all talking about it?
	Uh because that's not really gonna happen.
	Oh, right, okay, sorry.
	It's just sensational that's just that was just to grab people's attention in the first few seconds of the YouTube video.
	No, um so but but having said that, look, Al Jazeera goes with uh are internet rumours of comet hurtling towards Earth true.
	It's on the other side of the sun.
	I it's nowhere nearer.
	I heard it was getting closer to Mars.
	Yeah, it'll get closer to Mars.
	Well it has already it's past Mars now.
	Uh it got within 23 million miles of Mars, which is actually in uh astrological terms, really close.
	In parking terms, that would be generous, but in astrological terms that is actually really close to the case.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, very close.
	Uh but no, it has passed, no, it was never ever going to pass anywhere near Earth.
	Oh, but it well, having said that again, in the scheme of things, passing through the inner solar system.
	Yes.
	Um but yeah, we were on the up Mars is on the opposite side of the sun to us at the moment.
	Right and it flashed past Mars, so it was never it was never hurt, it was never hurtling towards Earth.
	Um But it is this one special in some way, because I mean we all we always get bits of stuff.
	Sorry, say again.
	Is this one special in any way?
	Yes, you always get stuffed just special.
	No, it is special.
	So it's called Three Eye Atlas.
	Right.
	Okay, now I've been fascinated with if you watch uh um uh science channels and space channels, it's just been all over that for weeks.
	So ever since the first of July, it was first spotted on the first of July this year, and it's the third interstellar object we've found, i.e.
	it's from completely outside our solar system.
	Oh all comets that come in asteroid, not yeah, all that we know of like asteroids and comets um they're in our own solar system, so moving around the galaxy with our sun and but they've just got very like Halley's Comet, for example.
	Yeah.
	Um bit bits of rock from the early solar system just whiz around, but this one is coming from somewhere.
	Right.
	So is it coming from?
	Well, it's coming from the direction of the middle of our galaxy.
	Right.
	Um that mean it could pass from external say again.
	Right, so if it's coming from the middle of the galaxy, yeah, does that mean that there's a potential that it came from beyond the galaxy and is merely traveling through the galaxy?
	Well almost certainly not that.
	It's not from another galaxy.
	Not interested.
	It's interstellar, not intergalactic.
	Alright.
	Can we can we rule out this being something could could it be a probe of some sort?
	Well I'll get uh I'll get to that.
	Oh, I just want to set the scene a little bit.
	That's that's where you would ex I mean it's the densest region, that's where you would expect life to form first.
	And it's coming it's coming there to us.
	You're saying if if there is uh sort of uh a a galactic empire, yes you'll probably reside near the centre of our galaxy.
	Yes.
	Right.
	And it's coming directly from there.
	Yeah.
	And it happens to be going past the planet that would have first supported life in the solar system.
	I mean I know it's lost now.
	Mars.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's true, yeah, yeah.
	So you think millions, even billions of years ago, they saw Mars, thought there was life there, sent Atlas out to have a look, and it's only just getting here now.
	Yes.
	And Mars is dead now.
	Yes.
	Uh interesting idea, yeah.
	I mean, as long as this thing doesn't change direction or slow down or anything, we should be alright.
	Well it has seems to have changed course and and even speed.
	Uh well no.
	Huh.
	But we'll get to that.
	Let me just give a little bit more context for people who might not know anything, we've not heard anything about this.
	Um so it's only in the last ten years or so we've actually had the ability spot things like this.
	Um, back in two thousand and fourteen.
	Oh no, sorry, two thousand and seventeen, we spotted our very very first ever into uh uh uh um uh uh an object that's not from our solar system.
	Right.
	Um and they called it a muamua, which is a Hawaiian word, 'cause I think it was first spotted by a Hawaiian Hawaiian um telescope.
	And uh and that was very odd.
	If anyone remembers that, it was very interesting.
	But first thing to say about that is that where we were going around where we go round the galaxy.
	Um it seems like it was sort of more or less it was moving, but it was more or less um in like the interstellar medium, and we just like passed th through it rather than rather than it like coming for us and arrowing down through us, it was more like we were passing it.
	Yeah, and eventually at a certain top point in time as just uh traversing of No, probably not.
	Oh right.
	Because it was going so fast that the sun didn't capture it, and we go round it takes two hundred million years or something.
	So it was moving then.
	It was moving, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Whereas this is like this is different.
	This is on a trajectory straight for us, coming from the centre, going out towards us, arrowing towards us, which is a different thing, right?
	To sort of just sort of hang there and we pass it by.
	That sounds a bit deliberate.
	Well, maybe, maybe.
	And you said this thing is slowing down.
	Well uh not not yet, not exactly.
	Well we'll get I'll get to that in a moment.
	I'll get to that at the end, actually, because that's like We're jumping the gun, we're jumping the gun.
	Um and then the second thing we found was uh the comet Borozov, and that was in two thousand and nineteen, which does seem to have been uh just a classic classic comet, showing all the signs of being a classic comet.
	Because a Muamu it wasn't it had a strange sort of odd tumble to it, and it's how reflective it was seemed odd, and at one point it did seem to speed up a little bit.
	Um there was odd things about a Muamura.
	But Borisov, the second one we found, um was it seems to have been just a classic comet.
	Both these things are relatively small, the size of maybe a football pitch.
	I mean a muamu may have been an odd shape, cigar shaped or even frisbee shaped, we don't know, but uh because it came and went so quickly.
	Whereas we saw this early and uh it was it was um discovered by uh by Atlas.
	Um which is like an early warning early warning system.
	And we spotted it quite early.
	And um there's just lots of things that uh are anomalous uh about it.
	Uh there's loads of things that are weird.
	I mean, you could make the argument that it's just not a comet.
	They're calling it a comet.
	But the classic things that define a comet, it doesn't necessarily is not necessarily displaying those characteristics.
	Such as Well, the the type of tail or lack of one, which direction the tail is going.
	Well, actually, let me just start listing then the uh the anomalies.
	Um, first of all, the trajectory, it's coming in on the plane of the ecliptic, i.e., nearly all the planets, all the inner planets, certainly, are all on like the same plane with the sun.
	Right.
	And it's coming in uh only five degrees shy of that perfect angle.
	Now the odds of that uh some say that's like 500 to one, some say it's much more, maybe a few thousand to one.
	Because it an interstellar object could come in or can come in from any angle, any direction, yeah, but it happens to be through, so it comes close to Venus, really close to Mars, and as it goes out, if it doesn't change direction, uh it'll pass really close to Jupiter as well.
	So that trajectory, it could just be coincidence.
	All these things could just be coincidence.
	But if you were designing a probe, that is exactly what you would do.
	Yeah, just travel near each and everything else.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But it could just be coincidence.
	Okay, the speed, it's travelling insanely fast.
	It's the fastest thing in our solar system right now.
	It's travelling at uh 36 miles per second.
	That's way faster than any other comet or asteroid or even planet in our solar system.
	Like way faster.
	That's 58 kilometers per second.
	That's 130,000 miles per hour.
	Something like 210, 220,000 kilometers per hour.
	To give you some idea, the Earth spins at like 1,000 miles per hour.
	It's moving insanely, insanely fast.
	Well, if you if you were launching a probe from the inner galactic empire, you'd want it to get there fast, wouldn't you?
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah.
	Yeah, it's moving sort of abnormally fast.
	So the trajectory is a strange coincidence, if you want to think of it that way.
	But the the speed of it is sort of abnormal.
	Um the size of it, right?
	It's massive.
	They're still not even sure right now, even exactly how big it is.
	It looks like it's somewhere between four or five miles across and maybe much more, maybe twenty miles across.
	Different scientists are arguing over that still.
	But it's way big.
	Right.
	And scientists say, statistically, that's crazy.
	You should only see one of those every ten thousand years, maybe only one every million years.
	So the fact that it's the third one we've ever seen after ten years of looking.
	Again, it could just be coincidence.
	But how many coincidences do you have to pile on top of one or the other?
	Um, okay, that that's an anomaly, isn't it?
	There's not even more is there?
	Yeah, there's quite a few more, yeah.
	Oh right.
	Uh okay, so it's chemical makeup.
	Um as comets come closer to a star, they start heating up.
	Yes.
	And uh and they start giving off all sorts of uh all sorts of chemicals.
	Uh usually like carb carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, maybe like cyanogen gas type of cyanide, small, very, very small amount.
	Um but so this and and they can tell like what it's giving off.
	They're very clever by the colours that it gives off.
	And uh this is giving off sort of weird the chemistry of it is again odd.
	We've never seen any comet that has ever done these things.
	Like it was growing uh glowing red to begin with, and then suddenly went green.
	Say suddenly, but it started glowing green.
	Now that's not necessarily odd for a comet, but this particular type of green was again, we've never it's unique as far as we know.
	Uh well, it is interstellar, so um, you know, who knows exactly where it came from.
	But um it's I'd say it was barreling towards Mars, set to red, which as everybody watched sci-fi's know, that means it's in kill mode.
	Okay.
	When it got close enough to realise that there was nothing there anymore, then it switched to green, went back to standby.
	Um yeah, the chemicals they can tell that it's um weapons grade.
	It's giving off well, you say that.
	It's giving off uh a lot of nickel.
	Right.
	Now again, it's not entirely unheard of for comets to be uh exuding Nickel, that it's it's nickel rich without much iron.
	Right?
	And again, as scientists tell us, uh that's just really odd.
	Usually on Earth, that would that is a sign of like uh a technology of like smelting metals like very very deliberately.
	Usually in space in comets in in the natural universe, wherever you see nickel, you'll also see quite a lot of iron, it'll be iron and nickel rich, whereas this is just extremely nickel rich, which again could be just a weird coincidence, but it is an anomaly.
	Um, the one that for me made my ears prick up when I first heard this probably three weeks ago, a month ago or so now, um, is its tail.
	Now, usually a comet, or the definition of a comet, which makes it different to an asteroid, is that um it has a it has a tail, it's icy not necessarily all water ice, it could be all different types of ice, carbon oxide and ice and stuff.
	So an asteroid is just rock.
	Right.
	And a comet will be more than that, and as it flies through space and as it gets closer to a star, it'll warm and it'll have a tail.
	In fact, it'll have two tails.
	One is just blown away from directly behind it, and the other one is the sun's the the the sun's effect will shoot off another tail directly away from the star.
	So quite often if you see if you see comets, quite often they have sort of two tails, but okay, both of them are behind where the comet is going, right?
	That's how it works.
	Well, that's how physics works, isn't it?
	Well, this one had a tail pointing towards the sun.
	No, that doesn't make any sense.
	Doesn't really, does it?
	How?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	We don't know.
	Well you you don't ever see like a woman on a on a motorbike with her hair just streaming out in front of her.
	You don't work like that.
	No.
	No, no.
	Yeah.
	Almost like maybe it's trying to slow down.
	Like decelerate, yeah, it's like exhaust.
	Or priming weapon systems.
	Uh-huh.
	Wouldn't have bit.
	Who knows?
	There's no life on Mars, remember.
	Well, that that's why it stood down and back to Greenwood.
	When I first saw that, I was like, wait.
	Like Yeah, that's odd.
	I'm no scientist.
	My background is in ancient history.
	But wait a minute.
	Like, what is that?
	So now if I talk a tiny bit about sort of the debate that's going on in the scientific community.
	So a lot of people I I really like.
	My my go to channels, um, say still just say people like uh Anton Petrov, hello wonderful person, Isaac Arthur, who sounds like Elmer Fudd.
	Yes.
	And these are serious guys, these are serious real life scientists.
	They're the furthest thing from tinfoil hat people, they're saying it's a comet.
	It's definitely a comet, like calm down, stop being stop take your tinfoil hat off.
	Um it's just an odd one.
	It's an interstellar thing, we don't know that much about them, it's just different to our comets.
	Uh that's what it is.
	But then but then you've got also other very serious people who are saying, no, wait, no, wait.
	The fact that it's got a tail in front of it and all the other anomalies, um there there's this is this is a bit odd.
	This is a bit weird.
	Uh before I go back to the tail, um just quickly say there's a few other speech uh things.
	Some are saying that it may have changed course a bit, some are saying the polaration uh polarization of the light coming off of it, it's but it's polarized light, not just unpolarised light, so that's just just on your point about people who have commented on this, yeah, and they're saying don't worry about it, it's fine, it's benign, don't worry.
	Yeah.
	Does the Central Galactic Empire have a version of APAC?
	Yeah, who are they working for?
	The whole thing is a giant psyop.
	Yes.
	The whole thing is to make you uh take your eye off the ball from the Epstein files.
	We wouldn't put it past them.
	Space is space is fake.
	Yeah.
	Oh, is that?
	Oh, okay.
	Never mind.
	Um yeah, okay, so there's all sorts of people saying there was sort of pulses coming from there.
	May even have been some sort of um signal coming from it.
	Um now the space agencies, the various ones, China, Europe, NASA, uh been quiet on that, but some people are saying so okay.
	The my point of saying all that is you do have to be careful.
	Um there's a signal coming.
	Well, some are saying that.
	What's the signal?
	Surrender?
	Uh no, it's just um come in peace.
	Like there's the hydrogen line, whereas if you transmit on a certain frequency, like one thousand four hundred and forty something odd hertz, um that's like a very specific that couldn't be done by accident.
	not natural.
	Yeah, it's not natural.
	But then but but then NASA, I don't think, might be wrong, but NASA and ESA and China have not confirmed that for sh for sure.
	So this is so well, so if I quickly get back to the the debate that's going on, or like on the internet amongst various scientists, like everything else, you've got the serious people and you've got slop.
	Right.
	So there is a lot of slop content out there about three eye atlas.
	There is a lot of slop.
	Does this count or is we in the well are we in the other categories?
	I'll let the audience decide.
	Right.
	I'm sure I'm trying to be serious.
	I am trying to be serious.
	In fact, let me just say at this point, I suspect it is just um uh a very, very odd comet.
	I don't I I I suspect that we'll find out that it is um w when it comes out from behind the sun and when it passes by Jupiter and the Juno uh orbiter will be able to see it.
	So I suspect it will be not of alien technology.
	It sounds like they've got to you two.
	Maybe how much they're paying, yeah.
	Big bucks.
	Um so okay, with the slop and the serious people.
	Yeah.
	So um there's there's people like Anton Petrov who are just saying, they look, come on, it's just it's just a comet.
	But then they've got someone like Avi Loeb, who is a very famous, a very, very famous scientist.
	I mean, he has been is uh is at Harvard, is a professor at Harvard, and was like the the chair of their um astrophysics department at Harvard for years, he's been there for like thirty years, written loads and hundreds and hundreds of academic papers, many many books, uh chaired all sorts of things.
	He's very, very, very eminent and serious.
	Right.
	Again, the opposite from a Tim Four.
	However, he's one of the ones that are saying, wait, this doesn't look anything like a comet.
	Why are you calling it a comet?
	Yeah.
	This isn't a comet.
	Um wait, the tail is pointing the wrong way.
	Because the people the naysayers are saying, Oh, it's just outgassing that happens to be pointing towards the sun.
	Uh it's possible.
	Uh yeah, we've never seen it before and it's unique, but it's possible, so uh it's just it's just a comet.
	Whereas someone like Avi Loeb and others are saying, No, come on, hang on, hang on.
	Let's just look at the actual data.
	Let's just look at the evidence, the hard evidence we've got.
	This is weird.
	We've now got like seven, eight, nine anomalies about this thing.
	I never trust people that instantly dismiss like data points, which would be imply, you know, uh uh a sort of a a counter opinion to theirs, like it's it it it i if you're trying to shy away from all scrutiny, there's something susp Suspicious about that, whether it's their sort of bias or or not, like should always be allowed to scrutinize things.
	I think that's if you try and push people away from scrutiny and diminish them and sort of demean them when there's clear clear data points which would support scrutiny, then that's odd, isn't it?
	It's odd behaviour.
	Yes, it is ridicule people.
	That's the sort of argument that um Professor Loeb talks about.
	He says, Look, remember Galileo when he said, Look, there's moons around Jupiter, and the prevailing wisdom of the time said, No, they can't be.
	You're under arrest now.
	It's like, no, but it's just look through my just look through the lenses I've got here, they're right there, and they're like, No, it can't be.
	It can't be, we're gonna suppress and silence you.
	It's like, but it's but it is there.
	No, right?
	Look, let's not do let's not Galileo ourselves here.
	Um quite a lot about comets, really, in the scheme of things.
	I mean, quite a few years back, when was it, 2014 or something, we actually were able to put a very small satellite around a comet, 67P, and uh even a very s the Rosetta mission, and even put a very small land of the surface of a comet.
	Um he actually Sort of toppled over it, it was a little bit of a failure, although we still did get some images um from that.
	Um so we do know uh the point is is that we've lived with comets for hundreds of years, like even in the Bay or Tapestry, the Halley comet is there, and the the the Chinese were interested in comets for centuries and centuries and centuries, millennia even.
	Um and comets are interesting, fascinating things.
	Um and this th this three eye atlas just doesn't seem to fit well for me anyway, and what do I know?
	But for other people as well, like Professor Loeb, doesn't seem to fit the definition of it.
	Can I give you my theory?
	Please do.
	And I I'm pretty sure this is absolutely robust and scientifically sound, because I've thought about it deeply over these past few minutes.
	Okay.
	But have you have you ever heard of the dark forest theory?
	Is this like the therming paradox one of the possible thermi par uh uh Fermi paradox?
	It's tied up with that.
	But basically, look, let's say this thing does come from the galactic core, right?
	Okay, 25,000 light years away.
	Let's say there was a galactic empire there, right?
	And they detect life emerging out on the fringe.
	So you send a signal when it's something like so are you guys chill or are you nutters or whatever it is?
	Yeah.
	So they detect radio signals coming in.
	So it takes 25,000 years for the for the light signal to get to them.
	They immediately send a message back and saying, Look, what's going on with you guys?
	And then another 25,000 years later, we can get a message back to them and we can say, No, it's alright, we're completely chill, don't worry about it.
	We're not we're not going to be launching a Xenos exterminators campaign or anything.
	You can relax, right?
	Yeah.
	That that's a lag time of 75,000 years, just getting the messages back and forwards.
	And what if they're not chill?
	This this new life that you've detected.
	What if they are a bunch of exterminators nutters?
	Yeah.
	So the dark forest theory says that the moment that an advanced civilization detects life emerging anywhere, the only sane thing to do is to immediately exterminate it.
	Yeah, because if you if you try and have a conversation with them, let's say you detect a radio signal, there's a lag time in this case between us and them of 75,000 years.
	That's enough time to go from basic radio signals to exterminators warships, right?
	So the only thing you can do is every time you exterminate it.
	Now, this this thing is travelling really fast, but I worked out if it's come from the galactic core, it would have taken a hundred million years to get here.
	So what I think happened is they detected some life possibly on Mars in the early days or or on the early stages on Earth, and they're like, Yeah, okay, we're gonna send a we're gonna send a kill probe.
	It's gonna take a hundred million years to get there.
	We pass by Mer Mars, we scan what's going on there.
	I'll bet you any money.
	In a week's time, this thing goes past the sun and starts to do a turn.
	It uses a gravity exist assist, and it comes back on us.
	Hang a left at Mars, head straight for terror.
	Yes, I think I think that's what's and I'm well pretty I'm pretty convinced that's what's happening here.
	Well, it's possible.
	I mean, let's just talk about that right now.
	It's behind the sun at the moment, because we as soon as we realised what this thing was, i.e., an extremely rare thing, extremely rare, um, we then got Hubble and James Webb and loads and loads of loads and loads of different space assets and and ground-based assets to look at it in all the spectrums.
	Like the whole the whole scientific world just was like suddenly looking at this thing, as you would, of course, it's fascinating.
	And um, so with although it is quite difficult to see exactly exactly how big it is, because it's got this sort of it's got this coma, it's got this thing around it.
	So to see what the nucleus is.
	Uh well no, but uh maybe I mean some kind of cloak.
	Let's call it a false field.
	That sounds cool.
	Um but how big the nucleus is, we still don't even know.
	And then when it passed by Mars, they did like the Mars reconnaissance orbiter and even the the little row that not little, the the car size rover on Mars, Perseverance, all the things on Mars that we could even one of the emirates has got uh uh uh uh uh cameras on Mars,
	and they all looked at it as it flashed by, and um but the thing is at the moment it's behind the sun as far as we're concerned and as far as obviously Hubble and even James Webb are concerned it's behind the sun so we actually can't see it at the moment it come i it's perihelion where the point where it classes passes closest to the sun is on like the 28th or the 29th of this month but it's not till December it will sort of come out from the other side of the sun as far as we're concerned and we can see it again.
	Now we expect it to fly off straight out to Jupiter.
	But what if as Professor Loeb has suggested is a crazy outside possibility but we can't necessarily discount it.
	What if as it pops out we realise oh it's changed course massively and slowed down massively and it's heading right towards us.
	It's taken the gravity assist it's bent around it's coming back it's changed colour again it's back to red I uh I must reiterate at this moment I suspect that won't happen.
	I uh I would put a tenner on that that won't be I I I would put but I will I will take that bet.
	I bet you a tenner that it is an extaminar Sturman artist probe from from the Galactic Empire.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Actually hang on that's a bad bet because Yeah it's pretty unlikely really if we if we get no no it's no it's just a simple game scenery.
	No take back no I I know I'm right but the problem is if I win I won't be able to collect the tenner because we'd just be annihilated.
	You just vapor drifting out across yeah yeah no you'll have a a few weeks or months to enjoy the tenner before it actually arrives here and given inflation in the UK I mean that'd be pretty quickly spent anyway.
	So that's uh just in just interesting uh real footage from the surface of a of a comet.
	Um I'm always fascinated amazed by something like that.
	Some of the footage we got from Titan for example um the Galileo going to an going to other worlds um absolutely fascinating.
	So uh we won't won't play the audio on this uh but we can just have this on in in the background and that's that's Loeb that's Professor Avi Loeb there.
	Um I mean he's being next to a bookshelf so he must be a serious it's very serious.
	Yeah.
	No he is he's really really eminent picture of himself in the background so that these are these are actual from the European Space Agency that is it as it passed close to Mars.
	Because the cameras they had on like the MRO and and Perseverance they're not meant for looking at something 23 million miles away.
	They're meant for looking at the ground almost right next to the camera really so they're not designed they're not like Hubble or James Webb where they're designed to look at things m a long long way away.
	And in fact James Webb isn't designed for looking at something that close that small moving that fast that's not what James Webb was designed for although it can still do it.
	Again look there's sort of a the real image if you believe that uh space isn't fake it's not a lot to go on though and gay um no yeah no not really so um have we got actual images of this well that is an actual image no but like a detailed one that isn't no no because no that's the best we've got because we do have the ability to do that don't we?
	No.
	What?
	That's the best we've got we don't have the ability to get a better image than that.
	No.
	What?
	Do we not?
	No.
	I thought we could take pictures of stuff from space and I've seen pictures from space that look pretty detailed.
	Well better than that.
	So again why do we not have I'm so confused.
	I just said so for example the best space telescope we've got is the James Webb space telescope was ne near sighted or yeah it's it wasn't designed to look at something moving that fast that close.
	It's meant for looking deep in like long exposure deep deep field images looking back over a billions of years at uh stretched out uh infrared things it's not meant for something like that.
	That's something we should probably get on I I would imagine shouldn't we?
	It sounds like we need one of those.
	Hopefully the best probab maybe the best image we'll get of it is if it if it doesn't change course when it passes Jupiter again we've got uh an orbiter there Juno's that law and that will it's actually quite old actually it's gonna apparently it's gonna pass quite close though and that hopefully that will get the best yeah but that that's got that's gonna have like a Nokia twenty six ten level camera on it.
	Also, yeah, right.
	Also, one thing which some of the uh the the slightly more tinfoil hat wearers would say is that out of NASA, the Chinese and the European Space Agency, it's only the European Space Agency that has released anything.
	Because that flyby happened on either the third or fourth of this month, and it's days later, and and the Europeans said we've got this.
	So probably NASA and the Chinese, but certainly NASA will have better images.
	They just haven't released yet.
	Some of the conspiracy types are like, oh that's weird.
	Although NASA as a federal body is actually they're all on furlough and it's like closed down because the whole US government is on on uh shut down at the moment, isn't it?
	Um Did you see the pizza tracker thing?
	What?
	Oh yeah, yeah, you love the pizza tracker stuff.
	Yeah, so there's this there's an account, and what they do is they track the the pizza parlour next to the Pentagon.
	And whenever they get a spike in pizza orders late at night normally means something bad is about to happen.
	Anyway, it went off a couple of weeks ago.
	Oh.
	And we didn't go to war.
	So what what were they doing in the Pentagon?
	I reckon it was this.
	I think so.
	Yes.
	Wasn't that when Pete Hegseth had that massive meeting with all the generals?
	Well, this is what I talk about with like the slop end of the spectrum.
	On some channels, they were saying exactly that when Pete Hegsef got all the top brass together, they were like, It's because of they need to put a plan together to to defeat three eye atlas.
	Yeah, and he was just saying get in shape.
	Being fat isn't a good look.
	I mean he's followed you for being fat.
	Also here's a massive number of pizzas.
	Well, some people say that the whole government uh US government shutdown is to to suppress information about this.
	Hmm.
	But I mean, come on, that's for me, that's obviously just nonsense.
	But I mean, who knows?
	Who knows?
	Maybe it isn't.
	Maybe but I would I would have thought so.
	Um yeah, people saying people have got all sorts of crazy ideas and thoughts and feelings about it.
	If you if you ever heard of the wow signal back from the 70s, oh yeah.
	Where SETI got uh a particular particularly strong signal coming from the same direction that 3I Atlas is coming from.
	Is it actually the same place?
	Yeah.
	Okay, that's interesting.
	Um some people saying, oh, maybe they were pinging us.
	And like maybe they were scanning for us and they were like, oh, got ya.
	Right.
	The thing is, 3I Atlas has probably been flying through the interstellar medium for billions of years though.
	So there's loads more to say, loads more of interesting things and to point out, but my time's basically come to that's what they think a Muamua look like.
	Um there's loads more things to say, but we've run out of time.
	I would say it's almost certainly well I wouldn't call it a comet, but it's almost certainly a natural object that's just odd to us.
	But it could be at some point in December it hits the news that it's appeared from behind the sun and it's slowed down and changed course.
	And it's turned red.
	And I will attend it.
	And Dan Wins attended at that point, yeah.
	Alright.
	You've got some common things.
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	That's the bottom one.
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	Oh, that's confusing.
	Uh so filthy centrist for for five uh pounds sterling says uh think of the gold mark Dan.
	If we mine asteroids for precious minerals, brokenomics video suggestion.
	How much money can we earn?
	Yeah, I mean I'd be more worried about the pending destruction, but um Chigador for five dollars says uh space refugees coming to use the NHS.
	Uh River Raver for five pounds says uh it's been bugging me for too long.
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	I was bored.
	Flowers prank guy from lockdown.
	I am not that person, no.
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	I don't even know what that's a reference to.
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	No, looking at it, I should be on the No, it's it's flipped on the thing.
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	And um and and Sophie Liv says, just watch Dan's brokenomics on Digital ID.
	Brilliant episode.
	Um yeah, so that's why I like you, Sophie.
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	Remember to watch.
	Um and I'm in the process of writing a very long response as to how the ID was slowly introduced in Denmark and what the experience has been thus like as a Dane.
	Yes, so I made I did a brokenomics on Digital ID, which is out today, and I made it premium so that everybody can watch it and we can we can get the message out because I tweeted that out.
	It actually didn't it should it that should have had so many more views, like genuinely.
	It's a very good piece.
	Yes.
	Well we only came out this afternoon, so what was the bit that you parent yet?
	Oh, I did I did a I did a daily as well, but there's not many people on that channel.
	Yeah, there was a longer one that was out yesterday.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh possibly.
	Well, anyway, yes, that's out.
	Oh no, it would have been yesterday, yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so that must get more views.
	Yeah.
	Because um, it's really good, genuinely.
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	I don't recreate stuff randomly, it was good.
	Um Kevin Fox is um what it oh, this is total narrative collapse.
	Sorry, but the father should have been on the watch list simply for naming his son Jahad.
	Uh yeah, I mean again.
	I mean if if any Englishman had a son and they called him like Crusader of the Infidels or something.
	Well, what annoyed me the most about that is the RAF Crusaders had to change their bloody name.
	Right.
	But we let in some turd blossom called jihad.
	And it's like, what?
	Yes.
	And the home office just stamped it.
	Um Jimbo G says, um, good seeing a police car outside a synagogue.
	Oh, um yeah, good seeing a police car outside a synagogue on the commute to work.
	Really happy it's come to this.
	Why wouldn't we want more of this?
	It's our strength after all.
	Yes, maybe being detects a hint of it.
	Yeah, it might have been sarcasm though.
	Never.
	Um Luke West says all English are equal, but some English were more equal than others.
	Yes, I I believe that is how it works.
	Um do you want to do some from your can you see the Yeah, I can see yeah.
	So um we've got Fuzzy Toaster.
	Says the green party is the watermelon party, green on the outside, but it's mostly red on the inside.
	I like that, that's funny.
	Um Ed Miller band harnessing Enoch Spinning Grave.
	Fantastic name.
	It says boob hypnotism works.
	When I stay there long enough, they get bigger as the woman walks over to slap me.
	Yes.
	Based.
	Sophie uh says none of these people know what fascism is, nor do they care.
	Remember, they don't call you a fascist because they believe it's true.
	They call you a fascist, so it is now allowed to hurt you.
	Yeah, that is that is the point, isn't it?
	Stochastic terrorism, basically.
	Um yeah, well do you gonna you want to do some of yours?
	Uh okay, let's have a look.
	Justin B says uh if this is Interstellar, are we going to have some aliens knocking on the atmosphere asking for their ball back?
	Omar says, uh In fact I had a uh a uh monthly Gold Tier Zoom call, and I think we pronounced his name incorrectly every time, so if we are doing that, apologies for that.
	I seem to remember Well the first name or the second name.
	Uh the second name, I think.
	Oh, I just say award because it looks vaguely close to it, and okay, anyway.
	Yeah, but it's probably not right.
	I won't believe it's aliens uh until it hits Buenos Aires.
	Remember Buenos Aires.
	Jokes aside, uh the scale of distance and speed involved would mean any uh deliberate alien endeavour would have to have been started long before humanity existed.
	Yeah.
	What if it slowed down though?
	Oh originally it was heading for Mars because there was life on Mars three billion years ago.
	Well what if it was moving faster before we got it detected?
	Yeah, I mean.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, we it's only a theory that we think it's been moving through the interstellar medium for billions of years.
	Uh that's what it seems to suggest, I think.
	I I don't know if we know that for a hundred percent sure.
	It only showed up on our uh radar, so to speak, on the first of July.
	So I'll leave it to the scientists, but that's what they say.
	Um but it's uh it's an interesting point.
	They would have it's not like they for it's not possible that the aliens sort of heard our first radio emissions from the 19 from the 1930s or the nineteen forties, heard that and was like, and then went dark forest and was like, we need to annihilate them, and then they sent three eye atlas.
	Those that time scale those time scales don't make sense, don't work.
	Yeah, so it's not it's not that uh what what was the first most powerful radio signal that we sent out then?
	What was the first thing that we've the uh the Munich Olympics where Hitler was giving out medals and alien saw that and was like straight away, right?
	We're going there.
	We want to meet this guy.
	He's the leader of Earth.
	Yeah, have you not seen the film Contact with Jodie Foster written by Carl Sagan?
	It would be funny if they built a whole religion around him and they turn up.
	Yeah, all excited.
	They'd only seen the first three years of Hitler where people liked him and he was on the front of like people magazine or Time Magazine.
	Yeah.
	They're like, We've come to see the great Adolf.
	Yeah.
	And how would that go down?
	We we're going to share with you all this advanced technology, immortality and space travel and all the rest of it.
	Um we we we just want to share our love for Adolf Hitler with you.
	Well, that's gonna put that's gonna put them in a real bind, isn't it?
	Yeah, and we've got to go, um We're not much of a fan of here actually anymore.
	Alright, so that's the time up, I think, isn't it?
	Oh yes, it is, yes.
	Um well very good.
	Um we've had a lovely podcast, everybody.
	And thank you for turning up.

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