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	Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Monday, the 22nd of September, 2025.
	I know it's a Monday, but it's gonna be a very good show today because a lot of very interesting things have happened.
	I'm joined by Nate and Ferras, and today we're going to be talking about the uh grandiose Charlie Kirk memorial and some of the reactions to it.
	Uh, how we have decided to recognize Palestine, which I'm sure it's gonna be a very level-headed thing that people are gonna respond to.
	And uh some good news that the uh the British Defense League is actually in control of the country underneath, and uh we we are calling the shots actually.
	If you don't I don't know whether you've noticed, but the dialectic is being cranked in the right's favour, and we're getting what we want from basically everyone, which is wonderful, and I like to see it.
	So uh before before we get started, this will be the very last week at Island of Fort is on sale for, so get it while you can at Shop.loCis.com because otherwise you're going to have to go to eBay because we are not reprinting them.
	We will have some that we might put on sale like live events from our own personal stocks of it, but um, it's gonna be a pain to get afterwards, and you have to pay hundreds of pounds on eBay, and you will regret not getting it.
	So, anyway, right, let's begin with Charlie Kirk's memorial service.
	But we have the wrong thing up there, Samson, so I'll let you get that up.
	Um so obviously, after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, uh it's been 12 days now, and it was 11 days on the day of the memorial yesterday, and um it's definitely changed the United States.
	Uh all of my American friends, I I don't want to say radicalized, that's not the right word, because their opinions haven't changed.
	They're still um exactly the kind of Republicans that they were before.
	They're still you know pro-America and all this sort of thing.
	Um, but the willingness to concede is the thing that has changed.
	I've seen them become a lot more entrenched in their position and say, you know what?
	No, I am right, you are wrong, and I'm not even gonna entertain what your argument is against my position at this point.
	So it's uh it's affirmed their conviction then.
	Yeah, yeah, it's a deep sort of retrenchment in the right, and a unity in the right, which I haven't actually ever seen before.
	The closest I think that we got to it was the initial campaign of Donald Trump, actually, where he was battering his way through all of the uh old Republicans, the rhinos, and uh casting them into the pit of Hades, which was great.
	Um, but yeah, so there's huge, huge amount of really positive energy which surrounds um this memorial of Charlie Kirk.
	As you see, this is people, tens of thousands of people at four it was held in Phoenix, Arizona, and tens of thousands people were just standing since 4 a.m.
	Because otherwise you weren't gonna get into the stadium.
	And I just want to I mean, this is just like obviously you had millions of people watching it online, you know.
	Like when I tuned into it, there was something like six hundred thousand people watching live on just the YouTube stream, and then it's being streamed everywhere else.
	And you can see the stadium there.
	I mean, this is just absolutely packed.
	It's being watched in France.
	It's being watched everywhere.
	It's being broadcast in France late at night, and people were watching it there.
	Yeah.
	So um and so it's gen yeah, and like, you know, it's just all over the place.
	Wow, all over the place.
	Uh, and so you've got you know a huge unifying experience for the American right going on, which is really interesting.
	Um, because I don't think anyone expected this to be as I mean, I know one expected this to happen.
	But and everyone in their moment of uh grieving, they weren't sort of projecting themselves into the future.
	Everyone was very concerned with the here and now, thinking, oh my god, look what's happened.
	Um but this has really cut just drawn everyone together because and there were there were people who are critics of Charlie Kirk from the right, obviously, I mean lots of people critical of him from the right, but that's all fallen away at this point.
	No one cares about the doctrinal differences they had on any individual issue with Charlie Kirk.
	What matters is he was one of ours, and they murdered him, and that's it.
	That's the the end of the story, right?
	He was the debate guy who wanted to talk to you, who actually cared about your opinions, and you murdered him.
	So forgive us if we don't care about your opinions.
	We're not interested in talking to you, is the attitude of many right wingers in America at the moment.
	Anyway, so you had uh snipers on the roof uh protecting uh the crowd, because unfortunately that's uh a dire necessity, isn't it?
	In America.
	Now, I just as a quick thing, I don't know about any of the conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk's death, and I'm not inclined towards conspiracy theories, so I'm just going to go with the official narrative as it stands at the moment.
	It was a deranged leftist with um a 306 rifle or something that shot him from uh a rooftop.
	And so unsurprisingly, they have to make sure their roofs are covered because America is no longer a safe place.
	And the thing is it's not the only leftist shooter in recent days.
	In the last week, there have been three.
	So anyway, moving on.
	Like I said, this is a unifying experience for the right.
	Here's Elon and Trump at the service, sat next to each other.
	Thank you.
	Uh which is you know a nice thing to see.
	Especially after they've very publicly beefed.
	There's a photo of them shaking hands.
	So it's not in that clip.
	Um after they very publicly beefed and call each other all sorts of mean names.
	In the wake of this experience, it's really made the small differences, uh the sort of the vanity of the small differences fall away, and seem far less important.
	Because actually it could be you tomorrow.
	Martyrdom is a fundamentally unifying thing.
	That's why the Catholics say that the blood of martyrs is is is the seat of the church.
	Um so this is what happened, and you rally around your martyrs and you put aside your small differences and you try to figure out, okay, there are people trying to kill.
	Yes, how do we deal with them?
	It's interesting, isn't it?
	The the radical left, how sort of brazen they were to state when all of this happened.
	Uh there were numerous that were saying, Oh, well, you know, he'll never go down as a martyr.
	Quite literally.
	Well, we'll we'll get to those in a minute, if that's alright, because I'm gonna go through those in a minute.
	Uh, because the I very rarely have I heard a take that wrong.
	Yes.
	Anyway, as you can see, they had to give their speeches uh in Charlie Kirk's memory from behind bulletproof class.
	And it is not in any way an exaggeration to say this was a very reasonable precaution to take.
	Yeah, no, I'm absolutely uh sad it's such a shame, isn't it?
	We we shouldn't have to live like that, and we didn't have to live like that.
	Like this is this is a relative uh relatively new phenomenon, and it uh it's tragic.
	It's absolutely tragic.
	It's a choice as well.
	Yeah, it's a choice.
	Yes.
	But it is unfortunately the reality of political discourse in America at this point.
	So um, yeah, no, I I don't blame them at all for giving their speeches from behind bulletproof glass.
	Um so let's go through some of some takes that people gave, some notables.
	Uh Elon Musk was asked by a journalist uh what his opinion was.
	Why was he killed?
	He was killed because his words made a difference.
	Because he was showing people the light.
	And he was killed by the dark.
	Thank you, sir.
	It was quite an emotional sounding uh uh piece there, but I think Elon really did hammer it correctly there, like he was killed because his words were making a difference.
	Yes.
	If his words didn't make a difference, he wouldn't have been such a hate figure for the left, and they would have just ignored him or laughed at him.
	And if he would say the truth, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And and and if his words did not bring light, they would not be that angry.
	Yes.
	The the sort of demonic forces of the left would not be that angry and would not be revelling in his death in the way that they did until there were consequences.
	It's funny, isn't it?
	Because it it's illustrative of a few incidents that have happened um throughout the last couple of years.
	Libs of TikTok.
	I mean, all they did, for instance, was just show insane videos and go.
	Look how mental this person is.
	Well she's the hate figure of the left now, yeah.
	Yeah, she got dark, people like tried to, you know, attempted murder and things like that.
	And and and that's the thing, right?
	Like the truth hurts these people.
	Exactly.
	And that that was that was that was what Charlie Kirk That's what makes that dark.
	That's what makes them creatures of the dark.
	And that I I like the light dark motif here as well, because it's very much the the left's mo modus operandi to censor, as in I want to make sure that people aren't aware of what you Who you are, what you think, and any consequences that follow from that.
	Whereas the right has always been like, look, I'll show you my enemy.
	Here's my enemy.
	This is the stupid thing they say.
	This is the repulsive creatures that they are.
	And so it very much is the sort of light dark motif being uh played out just in the general political environment.
	Which I I say I really do quite like it.
	Um Tucker's speech was deeply Christian.
	Now there's a particular clip of him talking about the Pharisees and how they killed Jesus to silence him, uh, which has been going around and everyone's like, ah, this is anti-Semitic, and it's like, well, I mean, he's speaking about a p particular event that is documented in the Bible by specific people who took specific actions.
	He's not abstracting that into an entire class of people.
	And and and frankly, I'm sick and tired of being told that um Christianity must always be in a defensive pa uh crouch.
	Yeah.
	And afraid of what others will think.
	No, no, Christianity is true, everybody else is wrong.
	That's the end of that discussion.
	Well, um, that's definitely the opinions of Christians.
	But Tucker gave a deeply Christian uh speech, actually, if you listen to more of it.
	And I'm gonna play a little bit of it.
	Because Tucker, I I'm always amazed at just how good a public speaker Tucker is.
	He doesn't have a script, he just goes up there and he sits there just not even riffing, just explaining what he genuinely thinks.
	And it comes out like poetry.
	Of what we've known for two thousand years, which is any attempt to extinguish the light causes it to burn brighter.
	Every single time.
	So as we as we proceed into whatever comes next, and clearly something's coming next.
	Remember this moment.
	Remember being in a room with the Holy Spirit humming like a tuning fork.
	This is the way.
	Right here.
	This is the way.
	And that is what Charlie Kirk was saying underneath it all.
	Thank you.
	And God's just a superb rhetorician.
	Um, and obviously, this whole the whole thing was very, very deeply Christian.
	Um, which is what one would expect.
	Uh JD Vance gave um a very mature and manly speech, I thought.
	Uh we'll play a clip of it as well, because I I particularly enjoyed it.
	The thing is, JD Vance had there was a risk of him coming off a bit too strong, actually.
	Uh it it could have it could have gone down poorly if uh if there wasn't such a nice energy in the stadium.
	to die a young man in this world than to sell your soul for an easy life with no purpose, no risk, no love, and no truth.
	Thank you.
	Christ told us in the Gospel of John, I have said these things to you that in me you may have peace.
	In the world you will have tribulation.
	But take heart.
	I have overcome the world.
	So again, strong stuff.
	It's better to die a young man in this world than sell your soul for an easy life with no purpose, no risk, no love, and no truth.
	Um, but I agree.
	That's the thing.
	I fundamentally agree.
	You know, so someone might say, well, this is a bit insensitive at a funeral or something.
	It's like, well, I think Charlie Kirk would agree with that, actually.
	Well, yeah, I guess I see what you're saying, but I mean he's he's actually applauding Charlie, isn't he?
	Well, of course he is, yeah.
	But you you know, he he he he lived uh Of course, but the the the you know I mean it it's it's it could be interpreted differently.
	I I I wouldn't, obviously, but I mean if if at a funeral, the best thing you can say is that his life and death had great meaning.
	Yes.
	And obviously, this is a man whose life and whose death had enormous meaning.
	The fact that this became a religious celebration, again is a sign that it is in fact martyrdom.
	Yeah.
	It is.
	That's absolutely true.
	Um there's it if if if anything, it would be hard to describe this as not a martyr's death.
	Precisely.
	I don't even know how you would go about making the argument.
	Then you had the speech from Erica Kirk, who decided that she would, in proper Christian fashion, forgive her killer.
	And this shared a lot.
	Father, forgive them for they not know what they do.
	That man.
	That young man.
	I forgive him.
	Thank you.
	So it's at this point that I have to break with my Christian friends.
	Everyone knows I have many Christian friends.
	I'm an ally of Christianity.
	But I wouldn't forgive him.
	I would drag him around the walls of Troy from a chariot, displaying his body.
	I'm a lot more pagan on these things.
	I'm afraid people who do terrible things deserve terrible things to happen to them.
	And I think I I would be quite happy to do them myself as a restoration of justice.
	Explain to me why that's wrong.
	The two are not in any way in conflict.
	Okay.
	You as a Christian, you punish him not out of animosity towards him, but because justice demands him, demands that, and because the order of society demands that.
	And so there is no conflict between personal forgiveness and the state delivering justice, including the death penalty.
	These two, like there's a sword in Germany that keeps making the rounds on X. Seen it.
	Which sort of states that I I hope that this helps get get him into heaven.
	Maybe the sinner be given eternal life, exactly.
	So there is no conflict between wanting justice and you personally loving your enemy and choosing to forgive.
	The mistake is wanting one but not the other, is wanting only retribution.
	Or wanting only forgiveness without any retribution.
	And obviously the condition for the murderer to go to heaven is his genuine repentance.
	If if like when you when you go it when you go to confession, it's not confession, it's the sacrament of reconciliation.
	The first part of the sacrament is the confession.
	You admit that you've done wrong.
	You admit it in good conscience, in good faith with genuine repentance, therefore you get forgiven and you are absolved of your sins.
	But it's not one or the other.
	And so I d I don't see a contradiction between uh Erica Kirk's personal forgiveness and the demand of justice that this man hang.
	Yeah, but I'm not like I said, I'm I'm not a Christian, I don't love my enemies.
	Well uh a different perspective would be you can forgive someone, but it doesn't mean you have to forget.
	Well, yeah, I'm not sure I'd even want to forgive.
	I'm actually very much more with Donald Trump on this.
	Uh he had a a take that very much resonated with me.
	In that private moment on his dying day, we find everything we need to know about who Charlie Kirk truly was.
	He was a missionary with a noble spirit and a great great purpose.
	He did not hate his opponents, he wanted the best for them.
	That's where I disagreed with Charlie.
	I hate my opponent, and I don't want the best for them.
	I'm sorry.
	I am sorry, Erica.
	Well, I think we're being confused about two kinds of bests for them.
	I I think I just love Trump when he talks.
	This is so funny.
	It sort of shows the guy is isn't acting.
	Trump that he is an act.
	Um sorry, that's just the most Trump statement in the world.
	It's like, oh yeah, yeah, he's a good guy, he loved his enemies.
	I don't I hate my enemies.
	Quintally, Trump's work on just so let me put it to you this way.
	In front of millions of people, hundreds of millions of people watching this, and Trump's like, yeah, no, I hate my opponents, I don't want the best for them.
	Fuck those guys.
	Sorry, come on.
	There are two kinds of I want the best for them.
	I don't want my opponent to have a job where he has power over me.
	Obviously, yeah.
	Or I don't want him to have uh position where he can keep on destroying society As the left has been doing.
	Yeah.
	But what is genuinely best for him is the salvation of his soul and therefore his repentance.
	And so therefore some punishments in this world that might push him towards regret are actually good for him.
	And in that sense, I want the best for him.
	I think I sent you that very long Aquinas quote.
	That it is not being done with a spirit of malice towards the person.
	It is done with God at the center, and part of what God is is justice.
	So it is just that people who celebrate killing people for political disagreements when there's absolutely no need for that.
	Be faced with enormous punishment in this world, because it might help them repent and save them in the next world.
	Yeah.
	I just want I just want them strung up.
	I'm I'm going with malice.
	Because you don't think about the next world, but that's a different thing.
	I don't, you're right.
	But I'm I'm going with malice in this world.
	Um anyway, so yeah, like the you got people who are like, oh, I'm glad he's dead because he's not a martyr.
	This video came out the day that Charlie Kirk was shot.
	The best part of this whole goddamn thing is that he is not martyr material, so his death will mean nothing.
	It will activate no one, it will impact few.
	It's just great.
	I mean, I also just how what terrible take.
	Yeah, truly.
	But what an awful individual.
	I mean, I keep going back to the the sort of celebratory left in this.
	It's truly awful just how desensitized people are to barbarism and you know the the the brutal mortal nature of life being gone in one sense.
	I just can't bring it.
	These people celebrating someone's death, so it's truly disgusting.
	He was obviously martyr material.
	Yeah.
	He was obviously martyr material, and what she's admitting is that she is neither wife material nor mother material.
	That's very true.
	And she can be civilization material.
	People like that should not be in a civilization because you must be civil to be in a civilization.
	Not Christian civilization.
	If she was a stick, she'd be fine.
	Um there is that important detail to sort of bear in mind.
	But what she is showing is obviously her own nature, and part of wishing her well is wishing her whatever is necessary for her conversion.
	And if that includes her losing her job, her being told you can't be a nurse, you can't be a teacher, you can't be in any kind of government position, um, you know, do manual labor until you change your mind, then that is part of wishing her well.
	It's not that I want her soul to burn, it's that I want her to be punished enough to change.
	And we'll move from the Christian perspective to uh Stephen Miller's perspective.
	Because uh he's not so forgiving.
	No, again, I'm very very much finding myself uh aligned with these chaps.
	This is so good.
	We will prevail over the forces of wickedness and evil.
	They cannot imagine what they have awakened, they cannot conceive of the army that they have arisen in all of us.
	Because we stand for what is good, what is virtuous, what is noble, and to those trying to incite violence against us, those trying to foment hatred against us, what do you have?
	You have nothing.
	You are nothing.
	You are wickedness, you are jealousy, you are envy, you are hatred.
	You are nothing.
	You can build nothing, you can produce nothing, you can create nothing.
	We are the ones who build.
	We are the ones who create.
	We are the ones who lift up humanity.
	You thought you could kill Charlie Kirk?
	You have made him a mortal.
	You have immortalized Charlie Kirk, and now millions will carry on his legacy.
	True.
	I love it.
	That that is, you know, a clear contrast of good versus evil.
	He names a few of the of the deadly sins, envy, wrath, uh sloth, um.
	And he says that what is good is to use your talus for the good.
	This is this is a very Christian speech from someone who is Jewish.
	Yeah, but I've I have zero problem with what he's saying.
	I'm not saying he's not got the virtues, but the sentiment it's not terribly Christian.
	Yes, it is.
	No, he's not gonna he it is Stephen Miller is not loving his enemies.
	Any medieval Catholic would have recognised this as a profoundly Christian sentiment.
	Yeah, but Stephen Miller is not loving his enemies, he's crushing his enemies.
	Which is part of what you should do.
	He recognised them, he recognises them as irredeemably evil and to be smoothen wherever they are found.
	And I I agree with them.
	I I think he's on something here.
	Um yeah.
	Um and then you get the coverage, right?
	The BBC were obviously like, oh, right, he's far right in their coverage.
	Yeah, yeah, this is this is just like the fur they were literally like far right.
	These people don't know what far right acting is.
	Yeah, no, no, no, no.
	Charlie Kirk was the moderate.
	Everyone knows Charlie Kirk was the moderate.
	And if you think he was far right, then okay, you continue to damn his memories.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You're in for a surprise because I think the the uh American right now is just beyond negotiating with this kind of position of slander.
	I really think they're beyond it.
	Yeah, uh, and good for them, frankly, you know.
	Like I'm I'm with Trump and Miller, just no, we're gonna crush you now.
	It's gonna absolutely crush you.
	And you get you get what you deserve.
	And then you get like you know, delusional nonsense.
	Oh, Charlie Kirk's lead overdose is irrelevant, honestly.
	I don't think so at all, man.
	You got if you guys think that Charlie Kirk isn't martyr material, if you think this doesn't matter, I don't think you're looking very far into the future with your predictions here.
	And then you get uh truly the most I mean, just I can't I can't understand how he's still allowed on the internet with takes like this.
	Uh Destiny said, This Charlie Kirk memorial is indistinguishable from a Nazi rally, and F anyone who wants to pretend that it's not What?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	John's just like, yeah, that young man, I forgive him, Adolf Hitler in 1939.
	So you are he he's being deliberately provocative.
	He's just a prat.
	Um and then you get uh the protesters, because of course there were leftist protesters there.
	Turn off the music, just uh but as you can see, it's the sort of left-wing Westboro Baptist church.
	Um truth equals love, which is why we're here protesting a funeral.
	Odd hates who does God hate, apparently.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Crowd sinners.
	Yes, yes.
	At least it's not gays anymore, I suppose.
	But um yeah, so weird thing to protest again, just truly awful demons.
	Uh and then you have the truly online radical left wing position.
	White supremacy is so crazy because he literally killed your husband, you're forgiving him because he's white.
	Ah, yes, that's that's that's the reason.
	Hundred thousand likes on this tweet.
	What is wrong with me?
	Oh, you've just pulled out some random thing that's had three hundred views.
	No, no, no.
	Hundred thousand likes.
	What?
	This is this is representative of a large slice of leftist thinking.
	That's that's c that's actual delusion, isn't it?
	Yeah, that's yeah, I I don't know what to say at this point.
	And I think that this mental illness, yeah, well exactly demonic possession, right?
	This tweet properly exemplifies why I think the American right is just beyond debating with leftists now.
	Yeah.
	So now you've ended the debate.
	If you're if you're that delusional, there's there's no point in having a conversation with you at that.
	There just isn't, right?
	Like back to your position.
	Just go in the bin.
	Like that with we'll step over you.
	You're done.
	That's correct.
	Not even worth entertaining.
	Correct.
	And and there's nothing unchristian about that.
	Like there's nothing unruited.
	Even if it's unchristian, it's realism, I'm afraid.
	You know, what can be what can be debated with this?
	Nothing.
	Nothing.
	Exactly.
	Nothing.
	No, the these people should not be in any position where they have power over anyone else.
	All what they are allowed to do from now on is probably manual labor.
	Uh, not that there's anything wrong with manual labor, but there's something wrong with them having responsibility over anybody's life.
	Yeah, that's the end of it.
	Yeah.
	Completely agree.
	Um, so yeah, in conclusion, um, it was an incredible memorial service, incredible turnout, incredible feeling of unity from the American right with all of this.
	Um as an Englishman, it was very American, so you know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna judge how uh Americans do pageantry, but they you know they do it fairly well.
	Um sorry?
	Well done for them.
	Yeah, no, exactly.
	It's it's their own thing, so I'm not gonna judge that.
	Um but it was it was really heartfelt the whole way through.
	And you could tell that literally millions of people uh were genuinely changed by all of this.
	And so uh incredible, incredible work, everyone, and uh God speed.
	Loads of super chats coming, so I'm gonna get through them as quickly as I can.
	Uh beginning with Blood for the Blood God on Rumble, who sent $200.
	Thanks, man.
	Uh no thank you, I don't want Palestine in ham.
	Well, we're gonna get to that in a minute.
	Um full Sullah, go full Sulla Trump.
	No friend unrewarded, no enemy unscathed.
	Boney still history on Sulla.
	I'm sure we've done Sulla, actually.
	But uh yeah, uh like what was the what was the thing in his grave, you know?
	Uh no no friend ever served me or enemy hurt me who hasn't been repaid in full or something like that, uh, which is just so great.
	And I I love that Trump is much more of a suller than he is uh a Christian.
	Alex Jones came out against conspiracy theories on the bullet when he discussed his experience shooting wild hogs.
	Yeah, and what was weird is like Nick Fuentes is against like the Israel conspiracy theory as well.
	And it's just like what is happening, man.
	Uh animal anime streamer says, I'm sorry, I'm probably the outlier here.
	I think uh Erica Kirk and going up and saying that she forgives her husband killer, and then the audience clapping to be very weird.
	Well, yeah, I mean I find that weird too, but I'm not a Christian, so you're missing the was a Christian revival moment.
	Yes, that's fine.
	I I understand it's it's you know, the Christians are doing something I personally don't understand.
	That's totally fine.
	And the thing is it's not that it's not noble or sweet, it's just it's not how I feel.
	Uh I just literally flog him through the streets until there's no flesh on his back.
	Um Stephen Miller, 2028.
	The thing is, Stephen Miller, I like Stephen a lot, uh, but he's not the leader, right?
	He's he's the executor.
	He's the right hand of the king.
	He doesn't have the it doesn't have the sort of charisma, the stature for the leader.
	He exactly doesn't have it, it's an exude.
	He's got invisible, but the statute.
	He he's he's the right hand of the king who goes out and does the dirty work.
	Yeah, yep.
	Um and uh I get the propaganda value it gives our side in attracting normies to embrace us, but I think making his funeral a rally where people clap and cheer in the middle of the speech is to be kind of tasteless.
	The thing is, Charlie Kirk was in favour of doing that.
	Um Charlie Kirk uh was in favour of being political on this subject because the reason that he was killed was politics.
	Yeah, so you can't exactly divorce his murder from politics.
	Uh Reverend Norse says, I'm a pagan in the Tom Roswell mould.
	I'm with Carl on this.
	We Norse had an appropriate thing for this called the Blood Eagle, yes.
	Well, I'm disturbed, both sides believe the other is evil, and if conversation is not possible, does this mean we're heaving towards in pool prophecy?
	Well, the thing is, if you make conversation impossible, then you leave only civil war available.
	Yes.
	Uh and this is just the way that they have taken these things.
	And so what more can we do?
	Yep.
	Could I get the mouse?
	Yes, you can.
	Let's go.
	So shall we talk a little bit about the recognition of Palestine?
	Uh Samson, can you give us the right screen?
	Yes.
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	It's wicked.
	It is gorgeous.
	Um Keir Starmer decided that he was going to recognize a Palestinian state.
	He said that he doesn't want to reward Hamas.
	It's a brutal terror organization.
	But a call for a two-state solution is the exact opposite of what Hamas wants.
	This is idiotic on the face of it because the Palestinians have always seen the two-state solution as a stepping stone to the one-state solution where the Jews are ticked out.
	So let's just be honest about that kind of detail.
	Um we recognized Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people, but don't recognize England as a homeland for the English people.
	Um today we joined 150 countries.
	The world's last stateless people, the English.
	Yeah.
	Uh today we join 150 countries who recognize a Palestinian state, uh, and a pledge that there can be as a pledge to that there can be a better future.
	I know the strength of feeling that this conflict provokes.
	We have seen it on our streets, in our schools, in conversations we've had with friends and family.
	I'm gonna leave that without a comment, but you know what my comment is.
	Is that what Kears Tharmer said?
	That's what Kirstarmer said.
	Well, we wouldn't have it if he didn't import people, mate.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wouldn't be that's a problem of your own making, thank you.
	That seems like a relevant detail.
	That seems like a relevant detail, doesn't it?
	Uh blah blah blah.
	We must reject hate.
	We must redouble our efforts to combat hatred and all its forms.
	We're gonna reject hate, therefore we're gonna give Hamas their own state.
	I d I I don't under understand.
	I don't understand.
	And then he calls for a release of the hostages and an end to violence and an end to suffering.
	Mate, there's gotta be suffering this time.
	I'm just wishing for nice things now and for good things and not bad things, right?
	Exactly.
	At least he said hostages, not sausages.
	Yeah, no, he's not this time, yeah.
	Yeah.
	We're not gonna discuss the rent boys again.
	Uh as to sort of explaining the reasoning for why this happened, uh one explanation is that there are um pamphlets being distributed in Rochdale by the Rochdale Friends of Palestine, which is I'm sure a group you'd all love to see more of, saying that if you lose if you vote Labour you lose your faith.
	Look at that image at the bottom.
	That's subtle.
	The Rochdale Friends uh subtle.
	Rochdale Friends of Palestine had definitely no relation to the uh grooming gangs, are they?
	None whatsoever, I'm sure.
	Just the thing.
	If if any right winger printed a leaflet like this and distributed it, this would be hate speech and you'd go to jail.
	Yeah, 100%.
	You you'd be away for a long time.
	There is no way you'd get away with this.
	So this is the kind of stuff that's being handed over, and one explanation is that this is what's driving Starmer's recognition.
	That's not true, unfortunately.
	Because while this is part of it, there is a bigger context where the Brits are working with the Australians and the Canadians and the French, uh and two of Britain's most important geopolitical allies in real terms, if we were to ignore the American Empire, Portugal and Malta are in on it and are also recognizing Palestine at the same time.
	Yeah, why is this all happening at the same time?
	So this seems to be a widely coordinated thing, and I don't fully understand the reasoning behind it, except and this is just the sort of possible conspiracy theory, they're trying to accelerate things faster.
	Because the consequences are going to be not particularly good.
	Um the Israelis want to shut down some French consulates, but one of the complaints that they had was firstly the foreign secretary saying that the Israelis must not retaliate.
	What the Israelis are saying, and you can find it somewhere in this link, is that British Jews will never forget forgive Labour for recognizing Palestine.
	And so there's they don't vote for Labour anyway.
	Yeah.
	But anyway.
	They vote conservative.
	They do.
	And there's about 250,000 of them.
	They do.
	So it's not exactly a vast voting block.
	But there is a little bit more to it.
	All right.
	I I'm I'm sure.
	Um so these are the countries that now recognize Palestine, and in reality, they made absolutely no difference.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because as far as the you know, Israelis are concerned, this is just a reward for Hamas.
	But Hamas already claimed it a victory.
	They have to be.
	Thanks very much.
	The victory for us.
	That it was a victory, and it is a victory for them.
	It is.
	It objects.
	And that in a way they've succeeded in one of the things that they're trying to achieve, which I'll get to later.
	Uh Trump's saying that he doesn't agree with Starmer, rather obviously, and I'd say rather, you know, for with some reason, shall we?
	Trump's like, I was gonna turn that into a holiday resort.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Uh Trump Gaza, what not Gaza, yeah.
	But this is what the Palestinians in the UK are saying, and essentially that they're saying that this is just a correction of the Balfour Declaration.
	So what they're saying is that it was Britain's fault all along.
	Yeah.
	And that now Britain is recognizing um a historic error that it committed.
	But what about everything?
	The Balfour Declaration.
	The subtext of that, Carl, which I think is slightly more important, is that they don't see a Palestinian state on the sort of sixty-seven borders, which was what people are talking about, as being final.
	The objective is to overturn the Balfour Declaration.
	Uh, Regardless of how you feel about it, regardless of how you feel about it.
	I I I don't part have positive feelings about the Balfour Declaration.
	But they were planning several years ago, the Balfour Declaration, the British promised to establish a national homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine.
	But they've been promising for several years now to sue Britain for this.
	And now that the Brits recognize them as a state, it makes it a little bit easier for the Palestinians to sue Britain.
	Because now it's a state acting against another state.
	So the backfiring potential of this move is quite significant.
	Well, good luck, Palestine.
	We're gonna get any bloody money.
	Well, you know.
	I'm I'm not gonna go into this, but there were some legal experts who were saying that the Brits can be lo can be sued for two trillion pounds.
	Well done.
	No, do a hundred trillion, mate.
	500 gazillion, whatever, you know.
	Exactly.
	We haven't got any fucking money.
	What was that from uh from what's his name?
	Yeah, yeah.
	But it's literally like ours.
	Where are we gonna get that?
	Maybe we can deduct it from all the aid we sent them as well.
	Yeah, well, yeah.
	Well, that's the thing.
	The Palestinian authority, I'll I'll get to that in a second.
	Um but let's look first at the Israeli reaction.
	Oh, yeah, I bet Netanyahu was thrilled.
	Yeah, I'm I'm gonna read out some of the things that he said about this.
	Um because this is in Hebrew.
	Uh the leaders who recognize a Palestinian state have given a huge reward to terrorism after the 7 October attack, um, which is not inaccurate.
	I can't help but notice that the formation of the State of Israel was preceded by Jewish terrorism against Britain.
	Yes.
	So we kind of already do reward terrorism.
	Well, the the the reality that nobody wants to talk about is that terrorism works.
	Yeah.
	I mean, all media now censor themselves over Islam because of the uh Charlie Hebdo massacre.
	So he commits that there is never going to be a Palestinian state on the west bank of the Jordan.
	This is an important detail.
	Yeah.
	Because it means that he will try to establish one on the other side where there's already a country called Jordan.
	Yeah.
	Um for years I've presented this terrorist state facing enormous pressure from home and abroad.
	So he kind of confirms that even though Israel has signed the um the Oslo Accords, which commit to an end state of a two-state solution, he, as the longest serving Israeli Prime Minister has never respected that international commitment.
	No kidding.
	Uh no kidding, exactly.
	And the Palestinians are pretty much like everybody sees this as a halfway point.
	We get a state, you get a state, and then we go after each other again and decide who's really in charge, uh, and who has to um guess I guess if Palestine then becomes a state and then they they begin attacking Israel, then they're committing an illegal war.
	Then the UN get involved.
	Well, there you go.
	Oh no.
	The last time the UN got heavily involved, the Israelis killed the head of the UN mission who was responsible for.
	Didn't they just kill the diplomats the other day who were trying to negotiate this stuff?
	They tried to kill the Hamas political delegation that were trying to negotiate an end to the war.
	So the Israeli interest in ending the war is pretty much non-existent.
	Yeah, I don't really take them very seriously when they're like, yes, we'd like an end to the war.
	Yeah, no, their end is leveled.
	Exactly.
	And so the next result of this is going to be that rather than recognize a Palestinian state, which is why I'm saying it's acceleration, uh, the Israelis would try to annex the West Bank in full.
	And my guess is people are asking, well, doesn't that mean that they have to let the Palestinians vote?
	No.
	They will oppose they will do two things.
	They are already doing one of them, which is slowly making the West Bank uninhabitable, not at the scale that they're doing in Gaza, but slowly locking it down, isolating the different uh population centers, and developing the ability to destroy them one by one.
	And the second thing is that they'll require some kind of pledge of allegiance to Israel as a Jewish state.
	If you do that, maybe you'll get the right to vote.
	Palestinians won't do it, therefore they must be expelled.
	Yeah.
	So there will be this kind of um escalation of violence by Israel to make sure that the two-state solution becomes completely impossible.
	And this isn't just me imagining things.
	Um the uh the Israelis are expecting big escalation in the West Bank as a result, and they are saying that what we're trying to do is to erase the idea of a Palestinian state.
	And this was from the 20th of August.
	Yeah, this isn't even long ago.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And this is uh Bezilel Smotric, the Israeli finance minister, who is therefore one of the most important people in the Israeli cabinet, explaining how settlements are going to be expanded to completely cut off Jerusalem uh from the um the West Bank.
	So they're working on basically covering this area of East Jerusalem with Israeli settlements, they're working on filling this area, the Jordan Valley, with Israeli settlements, so that the Palestinian population is sort of trapped and then slowly they'll have no choice but to go to Jordan,
	um, which would obviously detonate Jordan and Jordan of Take them because they've tried this before, and the Palestinians didn't exactly behave themselves.
	No.
	Well, right now 70% of 60% of Jordan's population is Palestinian.
	Yeah, I know, yeah.
	So if that number were to increase further, that's it.
	There's no Jordan, it's just a Palestinian state.
	And you can see here in black, this is the Israeli separation barrier, which is the bits of the West Bank that they've chewed off, which are supposed to be in theory part of a Palestinian state.
	So you can see that it's not going to happen.
	Yeah.
	And when these powers are recognizing a Palestinian state, they're not saying what the capital is.
	Yeah, I was going to ask about that.
	Where's the Palestinian capital?
	Well, administratively it's in the Ramallah here.
	Right.
	A pile of rubble over there.
	Actually, Ramallah is okay, but they're slowly turning it to uh or they will be turning it to rubble.
	Uh, but they want it to be Jerusalem, yeah, which is never going to happen.
	Uh unless the Israelis are catastrophically defeated in some kind of regional war.
	That's just not going to happen.
	And they've bitten off this part here as well to connect the Jordan Valley with Jerusalem and to separate the north of the West Bank from the south of the West Bank.
	And the idea is to make sure that there is no possible salami slice the West Bank out of existence.
	Exactly.
	That's exactly what they're doing.
	And it's not going to happen.
	Like the idea that this is going to result in peace, according to what Kirst Far said.
	There's no way this is going to cause peace.
	It's it's going to accelerate the conflict.
	And what it will mean is that the Israelis will increasingly be confident in having no choice other than shooting them.
	Forcing Jordan and Egypt to open their border and take the Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza.
	This is the main effect of this declaration.
	It's an escalatory accelerationist declaration.
	It doesn't really serve any purpose related to the declared purpose.
	Shall we put it this way?
	And there's some interesting questions here posed by uh Ilad, who's obviously, you know, quite hostile to the idea of a Palestinian state.
	Uh, what's the territory?
	No one knows.
	Yeah.
	Is Gaza included?
	Hamas will rule Gaza indefinitely.
	Who'll be governing?
	The Palestinian Authority as we know it is in the process of collapsing, and the Israelis are doing everything that they can to bankrupt the Palestinian Authority, which rules over the West Bank and make sure that it collapses.
	Um they continue paying terrorists on their families, uh, yes, because from the Palestinian perspective, the people described by the Israelis are terrorists as terrorists, including people who kill civilians, are seen as soldiers.
	In the same way that, you know, the IDF is bombing civilian areas in Gaza quite intensely, and these people are soldiers.
	So there is no distinction here between the two.
	Would you continue with anti-Semitism in your education System.
	Well, the Quran is anti-Semitic.
	I can't believe they're gonna stop now.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean the Quran is anti-Jewish and anti-Christian, so obviously they're going to continue to teach the Quran, and so obviously that will continue to be what it is.
	Would Jews be welcome to live in Palestine like Arabs do in Israel?
	The Arabs are not particularly welcome in Israel.
	I mean, people are talking Israeli officials are talking about kicking out the Arabs who do live in Israel, firstly, and secondly, absolutely not.
	I mean, the Jews were accepted in Iraq and in Alexandria and in Cairo and in Beirut and in Damascus and in Algeria, but this all ended with the establishment of the state of Israel.
	And it's going to be, you know, 200 years after there is no Israel, before we see Jews accepted again living in the Muslim world.
	That's just not gonna happen.
	Um now you can have a state, the right of return is still a thing.
	Yes, they will continue to demand to take over territory that's recognized by Israel.
	Uh could the Urwah refugees finally be settled in Palestine?
	They will not accept that.
	But um on a personal note, I'd be very grateful if somebody could take the Palestinians who are in Lebanon, but that's a different story.
	And who, please?
	Oh, well, Kirstarmer said that uh part of the deal is to bring in more Palestinians to get treatment and uh they will come with families, and the families will have a right to a family life, and they'll have no bring more families.
	They'll have nowhere to go either, though.
	Like they'll say they can't eject them because look what Israel's doing in Palestine.
	Exactly.
	So they're here forever.
	Festering parasites at my land with yes, with military training and a huge grudge.
	And I want to end with the words of the American envoy I'm so tired.
	Oh, yeah, no, these people that blame us for for part of the war, bringing them here, that's definitely not gonna result in any issue.
	No, no, this is why I'm not sympathetic to Israel.
	It's like, look, man, you know, like you're being very aggressive in this thing, and I'm not even judging you on that, but now this is a consequence we have to bear.
	Yeah, it's a good one.
	So if we had a right wing leader that was authoritarian, put his foot down and was like, no, we're not doing this, then like I couldn't care less about any of it.
	I wouldn't care because it wouldn't affect me.
	But now it affects me.
	Yeah.
	Like, yeah, there's a problem here.
	Like I'm not I'm not okay with more parasites coming to my country.
	Like I'm not sure.
	Not just parasites, absolute lunatics.
	Oh, yeah, no, the worst kind of parasites.
	Yeah, yeah, they these people will do got 300 something Palestinians, God knows when in night in the 1990s, uh 300 Palestinians, not 300,000, 300 something Palestinians in the 1990s, and 60 to 70% ended up convicted of crimes.
	And then pretty much most of their descendants as well.
	Thanks, Israel.
	So the idea that this is a community that is going to integrate anywhere is laughable.
	They will come here with a combination of self-righteousness and vengeance.
	That is going to be even worse in the UK.
	It'll be worse.
	All our judicial system is weaponized in their favour.
	So it'll actually be even worse.
	But also, what historic resentment can Palestinians possibly have against the Danes?
	Like, what have the Danes ever done to Palestine?
	You know, no, we're the Balfour.
	They're one of the biggest providers of aid to Palestinian refugee camps, them and the Norwegians.
	And still and still you get this kind of malice.
	So uh I want to close with what the US special envoy to Syria said about the region, which I think is illustrative.
	What's the end game?
	I was hoping you weren't gonna ask that because I don't know.
	I don't think anybody knows.
	Look, the end game when we say peace, it's an illusion.
	There's never been peace.
	There will probably never be peace.
	Because everybody's fighting for legitimacy.
	So people say, well, they're fighting over borders and boundaries.
	It's not what they're fighting over.
	A border or boundary is the currency of a negotiation.
	The end result is somebody wants dominance.
	Which means somebody has to submit.
	In that part of the world, submit, there's no Arabic word for submit.
	They can't really head around.
	Submit.
	There are many words for subject.
	Yeah, so eventually prosperity is the only answer.
	So this is all Americans turn idiotic.
	I I love I love this stupid liberal get out of the end.
	If only everyone was A little bit richer, then everything would no no no, this is not about materialism.
	This is about the genuine sort of spirit of the two factions that are warring.
	The the Osama bin Laden was worth hundreds of millions.
	His deputy was a doctor.
	Yeah.
	A full-on MD.
	ISIS is a full of middle class professionals.
	Upper middle class professionals, and they were ridiculously skilled.
	Yes.
	So the idea that prosperity is in any way a solution to this.
	It's the this is the liberal delusion.
	He was completely right.
	Up until he said that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Up until he said that.
	This but and this has always been the problem with the West meddling in the Middle East as well.
	It's like we we are materialists and therefore we assume everyone fundamentally is materialist.
	Exactly.
	And these guys are like, yeah, I'm gonna blow myself up for Allah.
	It's like okay, I'm not sure that's material conditions, that's cause that.
	You know, it's a bit more money will stop him from us.
	Yeah, exactly.
	This literal doctor or engineer is going on a jihad.
	It's like he's not lacking anything.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Uh shall we go through a couple of the comments?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	God, uh I'm so tired of the Middle East, man.
	Imagine how I feel.
	Yeah, I can't.
	It it literally made me Catholic.
	Yeah.
	That's how bad it is.
	That's how tired I got.
	Yeah.
	Um I don't feel bad about the Palestinians.
	Moderate Jews tried to make deals for over a hundred years.
	The Saudis do have the technology for making them an island in the South Pacific.
	Uh well, I mean, but okay.
	But even if it was true, it doesn't matter because now it's about the indignity of accepting the loss.
	Yes, that's what this is about.
	It's about recognition.
	Exactly.
	Weirdly, Francis Fukiyama is has got a good line on all of this.
	Yep.
	Uh, which is about the the struggle for recognition is what really is the sort of idealistic motor of history from Hegel.
	And he's right, I think.
	I genuinely think and I think this is what we see in Israel-Palestine.
	Very true.
	Um, no matter how much he wants the Muslim vote alone, that alone isn't enough in numbers.
	They're totally done for the next general election.
	So why?
	Pro-Israel lobby donated half to his cabinet, the first one, so why?
	Why is Kia Slama doing this?
	Uh it seems like a coordinated wider move across the West, and there is no um good faith explanation for it, because they know that the Israelis will never accept a two-state solution.
	They know that the Israeli opposition to Netanyahu doesn't want one.
	Yep.
	Uh, the only people like the people who vote for something that would lead to a two-state solution are maybe five percent of the Israelis, two percent of the Israelis, something completely ridiculous like that.
	So they all they're making this decision knowing full well that it goes precisely nowhere, yeah, and that it leads to acceleration.
	So that should be considered.
	If you wanted to give Netanyahu an excuse to sort of resolve the West Bank issue now in a similar way to what he's doing in Gaza, that's precisely it, because then he can turn to the Israeli public and say, I'm the only one who has proven that he's willing to use enough military force to prevent the emergence of a Palestinian state,
	and I'm the only one who has proven that I can bend the Americans to my will consistently in order to prevent the emergence of Palestinian state.
	Remember, 10% of the Israeli population lives in the West Bank.
	You will not move out 10% of your population except if you've faced a catastrophic defeat.
	Yeah.
	Or if if you've faced mass migration from Islam and you've become Birmingham.
	Um but these are the only ways to do it.
	Wow.
	The left not thinking head is ancient knowledge, they're ignorant of the past and blind to the future.
	Well, yeah.
	This revival will have little to do as long as the Muslims stop uh this revival will have little to do as long as the Muslims stop attacking little girls.
	No, well, this will have to do as long as Yeah, right, right, right.
	Well, yeah, right.
	Yeah, this revival will have to do as long as they uh point.
	Um here in Canada, we now recognize Palestine as a state.
	Well, this is the thing.
	I think it's one of those sort of like ideas whose time has come moments for the shit lib international class.
	Uh which is great for you, it's gonna accomplish nothing.
	If anything, it's going to backfire.
	It's gonna make things worse, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Um coincidentally, two days before our Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada announced hate speech legislation.
	Well, what a so what a surprise.
	Yeah.
	If Israel sends a flood of Palestinians into the UK, it should be treated as the equivalent of being directly attacked.
	Sure, but it's not going to be.
	Yeah.
	That's what they were saying about Russia.
	Yeah, we're weaponizing immigrants, is right?
	Yeah, yeah, we we're literally just gonna take them and they're gonna stay here forever, and we're gonna pay for the privilege.
	Uh and uh Steve says, Carl's Carl, please don't ever change us, atheists don't need to forgive, stay forward thinking.
	Well, that's the thing, isn't it?
	You know, the the crit I'll I'll leave the forgiveness to the Christians.
	You guys are good at that.
	Um we'll worry about the rest of it.
	God damn that keeping my mouth shut.
	Yeah.
	Uh can we get the next one up, Samson?
	Cool.
	Get Islander, it's very, very good, and it's not going to be on sale for much longer, so buy it.
	Also, you can get this little chap.
	I think this is only in the UK, isn't it?
	No, no, no, you can get it anywhere.
	Oh, is it?
	Just yeah, the Gamonzilla International store.
	Rock your gamonzilla.
	Okay, it's a cool little mug.
	Very good quality actually as well, actually.
	So buy it quality.
	Yeah, but you know what I mean.
	You get some mug quite thin.
	It's the same as the t-shirts as well.
	Mugger for Shinado.
	It's the same with the t-shirts.
	Because the thing is, like you you could like you know, scrimp and save and like cut corners and have like some thin t-shirt, but I'm like, no, we'll just you know, we'll just get good ones.
	But anyway, let's let's carry on.
	Yeah, right.
	Um Patriots, we're in control, or the right wing is in control, the online right, we we are in control.
	We are winning effectively.
	Uh and I want to talk about Nigel Farage, our flip flopping Farage.
	Our erstwhile dear leader.
	Yeah, well, but but there's benefits to this.
	There are benefits, at least if we're looking at him on a curve.
	So the flip-flops instantly are no good, obviously.
	But if we look at him on a curve, it's fantastic.
	So I think to start, we will look at pretty much a year ago, uh, and what Nigel Farage had to say about mass deportations.
	If we can just get out of there.
	No.
	Yeah, I I'm not gonna get dragged down the route of of mass deportations or anything like that.
	Do you support mass deportations?
	Well, if people come illegally, they should not be allowed to stay.
	Simple as.
	Simple as.
	And the only way you're ever going to solve the channel.
	And boy, have a look at the last three days.
	You know, 500 odd um on Friday, 800 on Saturday, nearly 300 yesterday.
	I mean, the numbers are uh the numbers are just exploding.
	You know, of these young of these young men that are coming.
	Umless they know that number one, they'll never be granted refugee status by coming via this route.
	That number two, they're not gonna stay, they'll keep coming.
	It's dead simple.
	Don't matter what you do to the gangs.
	So I mean, you could give it yeah, you know, you you could give these gang members life in prison.
	But the more people are gonna step the precipice of the gap because of the money involved.
	I mean, look, think about drugs.
	However big a sentence is we give to drug dealers, there's always somebody else to come and fill that place.
	So, okay, you've you've identified the problem, all the causes, all the exigencies of it.
	So, what's the one thing that you need to do?
	It's just mass deport all of the people who are taking advantage of that.
	It's really simple.
	Yeah, and I mean that is what he said at the start.
	So I'm not gonna keep no point labouring the point, and and and you guys watching Nigel Farage be a wet blanket, a wet lettuce.
	We we we've seen him do that many many times.
	But coincidentally, that was that was the 17th of September 2024.
	Yeah, so it was a year ago.
	And then today.
	Oh sorry, what?
	Oh, so we are having mass deportations.
	It's back on the menu, boys.
	Superb.
	Great.
	I mean, I'm I'm I've glad to hear it, Mr. Farage.
	Yeah, I mean I'm I'm here for it.
	So this release today, and obviously there's been a uh a subtle update as we were going live as well to say that the figures that they've got in here was based on a study which was slightly incorrect, so they're gonna publish some new studies or whatever.
	But the basis of it is it doesn't really matter, actually, quite frankly.
	Yeah, I don't care about the money.
	The basis of it is is that they're saying, yeah, reform say mass deportations would save 234 billion pounds, as it warns Boris wave of migration will take critical toll on the welfare system.
	So they're looking at this from a monetary monetary economic perspective, which is not the correct one, but anyway.
	It's not, but it's a start.
	We've gone from I'll take whatever I can take.
	Yeah, I'll take whatever and get we have gone Christian spirit, though.
	Oh, is it right?
	I think it's just the spirit of adjact desperation at this point.
	But I mean, yeah, yeah.
	Well, we we've gone from he's not interested in it at all to a year later.
	Not only that, it in the Edgington interview.
	He's like, Well, is it at least your ambition?
	No.
	And yeah, no, he was he was like, No, it's not my ambition.
	Yeah, I'm not interested.
	Political impossibility wasn't Yeah, doesn't want it to his name because it would sound bad, frankly.
	Yeah.
	And a political impossibility was what he said.
	Uh and and so a year later, we've now got this on the table.
	So uh just brief rundown of this article says Nigel Farage will pledge to eject hundreds of thousands of legal migrants, so legal migrants, legal migrants, in an unprecedented reversal of Britain's relaxed border rules.
	The reform UK leader will unveil plans to force all migrants with a permanent residency to reapply for visas under stricter criteria, including a higher salary requirement and a better standard of English.
	Now, this is all actually perfectly reasonable.
	Completely reasonable.
	It's not like that the most of the world would agree that this is yeah, just absolutely fine.
	There's no controversy here at all, shouldn't he?
	No.
	Anyway, yes, you should be able to speak English.
	You're in England.
	Um you should earn lots of money because we don't have to pay for you.
	Yeah, you why are we paying for you?
	You should be able to facilitate your own life.
	If you're not Matt, if you're not a net contributor to the country, why aren't you here?
	Yeah, a hundred percent.
	We've got enough parasites for our own, thank you.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Absolutely exactly.
	So that they're saying that it will uh save them like two hundred and thirty-four billion pounds or us, it would save us.
	Even if it was a tenth of that, I'd be happy.
	Yeah, we can quibble over and this is what the online sort of establishment are doing now, is trying to quibble over the numbers.
	It doesn't matter.
	If it saves any money, yeah, that's fine.
	Even if it saves my culture, it saves my country.
	I don't that's fine.
	It could save it.
	Even if I pay for it.
	Yeah, I'd pay for them to go.
	Yeah, it even if it didn't save any money, I'd be happy.
	Even if it cost money, I'd be happy.
	I remember realizing that the remain vote was going to lose because in the debates they kept on arguing that leaving the EU is going to cost you 300 pounds a year, your family will be worse off by 500 pounds a year.
	Sold.
	Like, but I would pay that just to wipe that smug look off your face.
	Exactly.
	That's reasonable.
	Um so Zia Youssef, reform policy chief, said the changes would lead to hundreds of thousands of people having to apply and ultimately losing their settled status.
	So we're we're basically talking about like denaturalisation, like they're gone, they're completely gone.
	And this is all to do with we have this thing called indefinite leave to remain.
	Um as well, where you know you're not gonna be.
	Sort of like a required audience.
	If they've lived in the country consistently for five years, for some reason they're just allowed to become citizens and they can just stay forever.
	And I don't understand it, and it makes no goddamn sense.
	Yeah, it it it it dilutes the BEL.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, no, no.
	It it it it dilutes the prestige of the country because if anyone can gain this based on time, there is no what what what's good about a country, where's the appeal?
	You know, you want to live in a certain place because it's exclusive.
	All right, we like exclusive things, we like things which are rare.
	If anyone can come here, uh it loses it Sure, but even then, why should we give any of it up to anyone else anyway?
	Oh no, no, I agree.
	I know like you are right, but like you know, these people can just piss off back to where they came from.
	Yeah, they've got a homeland.
	Yeah.
	I mean, look at that.
	The but Boris wave three point eight million people, Boris let in in like three years.
	Yeah, that's like you are mad mental.
	And and there, you know, that's that's fast approaching now.
	Yeah, you know, that needs to be fixed.
	Now there's a few things to take a look at of why this is good, right?
	Because I wasn't aware of this, but I I became aware of it.
	When you start talking about things and you make it policy, the lords can't overturn it.
	They cannot overturn it, they cannot get in the way.
	So the fact that he's saying this now, as much as he's weak source, yeah, flip-flop garage, whatever.
	This is very good, very promising.
	Making it into a manifesto promise means that the Lord's design had to overturn government policy that it was elected on.
	Yes, yeah, exactly.
	They cannot get in the way of this.
	Yeah, so if they win a majority and they get in, and this is in their manifesto, and and they actually seek to enact it, which oh god please lots of ifs.
	Lots of ifs here, but exactly.
	But that's fantastic, it's superb absolutely brilliant.
	So I love that the Boris wave has become a yeah political word.
	Yeah.
	In Britain.
	And it will forever be associated with Boris Johnson.
	He will go down.
	He did it.
	He's the one who did it.
	He will go down as one of the worst, if not the worst, prime minister we have ever had.
	In his own words, he wanted the Financial Times to like him again.
	It's like why do you want those traitors to like you?
	Child of a man.
	Yeah, child.
	Yeah, disgraceful.
	Um so you've got, you know, articles like this from The Guardian, Farage vows to scrap indefinite leave to remain, placing thousands at risk.
	The thing is the other it needs to be millions.
	Well, it's gonna be hundreds of thousands at the very least, but it needs to be millions, you are right.
	The other big immigration destinations are the Gulf.
	Qatar, the UAE, Saudi Arabia.
	Look how they do it.
	Look how they do it.
	Yeah.
	You lose your job, you're out.
	Yeah.
	And that's how it should be.
	You will never have political enfranchisement.
	And you never get benefit.
	Unless the king decides that, you know, you are granted citizenship because of my benevolence towards you and your personal services for the country.
	It's it's that exclusive, it's that limited.
	Now they have a sort of gold visa in the UAE that lets you stay even after you lose your job.
	Sure, if you pay.
	But that is based on a ridiculously high income.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And based on so many other requirements that they are genuinely recruiting the best.
	Yeah.
	So this is this isn't controversial anywhere else in the world, which is why the liberals have to understand how extreme they are.
	Oh yeah.
	They're trying to turn Britain into a global slum.
	Yeah, which is an insane policy anywhere in the world.
	Everybody who lives in a global slum wants to leave it.
	Yes.
	Well they keep coming here.
	Which is why tens of thousands of Brits every year.
	Because there's no b but there's nowhere else where they get benefits except in Europe.
	I know, i yeah, i i it's actually insane.
	Um and so you got you got articles like this saying, you know, reform UK plans to force non-citizens to apply for visas with high salary thresholds and no access to uh no access to NHS services.
	Don't tempt me with a guitar.
	This is fantastic.
	Yeah, perfect.
	You know, this is how it should be.
	Yeah.
	Um citizens should have no access to any services.
	What are you talking about?
	Why am I paying for some rando to turn up and use my tax money for like I d I don't even get to go to you know GP.
	Like it's that inaccessible to you know to Britons that work.
	This is the thing.
	And I've argued this a lot is those that cry about the welfare state ending are the are the ones which can use it.
	Those that are paying for the welfare state can't access it.
	Like I can't access the NHS.
	You think I'm gonna be able to call up at 9 a.m. when they open and get an appointment in a few weeks' time.
	Uh I get this from my wife all the time.
	It's an impossibility.
	The phone lines open at 8 a.m. and instantly they're rammed.
	And it's just like good luck getting good luck.
	Those that actually fund the welfare state are unable to use it.
	And that's not how it should be because that's only going to breed massive resentment, huge contempt for those that are using it.
	That's not how it should be.
	Then it's so many other things like housing and just the amount of money we actually spend on just giving free money.
	So why are we doing any of this?
	Oh, it's delusion.
	It's crazy.
	It's it's it's not that.
	These people keep saying that any kind of corrective measure is fascism, and what they are doing is willing into being fascism.
	Yeah.
	Like if this keeps on going for long enough, people in Britain w by 2035, let's say this continues to 2035, people in Britain will be roaming the streets looking for people of a different race.
	Yeah, 100% they will.
	It will get there.
	So if you don't want it to get there, please moderate.
	It's already and have some sense.
	Becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.
	Yeah, we we've seen the you know the the TikTok videos going around of like, you know, a couple of English guys being like, oh, you know, you you're a Muslim and I'm going to bully you in the streets.
	And so look, I don't want that to be the country.
	I don't want that to happen.
	But what you have to understand is that the the population demographics really matter in this this way, and you're going to get the essentially the Lebanonization of Britain.
	Exactly.
	Otherwise, you know, and you've got no choice.
	You have to make it so that we are by far the majority population, and that's just never going to change.
	I mean in in Lebanon, just to sort of make that point briefly, I think both uh I I think Dan and I are looking up doing a long episode about this.
	But there were so many abuses from the Palestinians for so many years that at some point in nineteen seventy-five the Christians just turned murderous.
	Yeah.
	And went absolutely insane because that was the only way to get the country back.
	Yes.
	Unfortunately they failed.
	Yeah.
	So that that that but that has happened in history, and if you don't learn from it, you are not qualified to be in government.
	And you are not qualified to opine about policy.
	Yeah.
	The thing is if that's happening now.
	If you've got a population that is reasonable with their request, and they're doing it in a reasonable fashion, you heed it before it turns into that.
	Yeah.
	Or what we're getting now as well.
	You'd have to be able to do that.
	The thing is.
	The thing is, the more amenable and restrained citizenry are in their requests, the more extreme they'll be when they snap.
	Exactly.
	Right?
	Like nobody in Lebanon.
	That whiplash will be crazy.
	Nobody in Lebanon ever objected to tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of Armenians showing up.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because they set up their own institutions, they went into work immediately, they took care of themselves, they were not a burden to anybody.
	They lived in a slum in the beginning, and now the whole area is full full of jewelry stories.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You know?
	It's it's nobody dislikes the Armenians.
	They didn't ask for anything, they were genuine refugees, they'd just been massacred, they'd just been genocided.
	We're like, okay, you can live here.
	That's fine.
	We're not gonna hurt you, and you're not gonna hurt us.
	They didn't start even gangs or anything like that.
	They just start grooving gangs.
	They didn't do any other stuff.
	What was the religion of the Armenians again?
	Orthodox Christians.
	Yeah, what a surprise.
	It sort of makes a difference.
	Yeah.
	So Richard Tys tweeted this out and says reform will scrap the indefinite leave to remain scheme.
	Retrospectively.
	Oh yeah.
	I'm listening, Richard.
	We're building off of even more stuff has started to come out.
	So again, you know, don't tempt me with a guitar.
	Come on now, Richard.
	Do this, please.
	Don't you dare tease me, Richard.
	Yeah.
	Um so hundreds of thousands of migrants will have to reapply and will not be able to claim any benefit or social housing.
	And and that is the first thing that reform has said that I go, that's good.
	Yes.
	Like actually do this.
	That's that's a fantastic idea because there are so many people here that are under uh the sort of pretext of them being here was just to claim money that they're of no benefit to society, they don't belong here then, leave, right?
	You know, the only people that should be here and are not a benefit of society are natives, and and even then there should be uh an element of you know pushing them to then be a benefit to society.
	But you know, that's a burden which we just will unfortunately always have in a society, but we don't have to be burdened by random third worlders, right?
	That's just not that's a choice.
	So St. Paul says he who does not work does not eat.
	So does Lenin.
	Yes.
	I don't think that St. Paul was quoting Lennon.
	No, no, and I don't think Lenin was quoting St. Paul, but the point is any anyone in a position uh like that, there's a convergence where it's like, oh yeah, no, you've got to work, you lazy bastards.
	But notice this like this is some of the first stuff that they've been posting that actually is getting a lot traction, yeah.
	Of traction and likes.
	Finally, now again, navy in the channel.
	Yeah, how much traction that'll get.
	Yeah, and so you know, I mean, the online left they're getting mental about this.
	Yeah, I know.
	Like actually going mental about this.
	I mean, who's this deal o la one lay great British name?
	That yeah, uh reform's not serious, bring it on and see how the courts will deal with it.
	Well, they will deal with it because the human rights will be abolished, right?
	That's the point.
	You you you establish a political system which will work in your favour for your policies.
	Yes.
	So yeah, that's fine.
	Well, this is bring it on.
	This is the point though, Farage Tys, you better be prepared.
	You better have a slate of things you're going to repeal that they will appeal to in order to prevent you from doing this.
	Yes.
	You better literally day one, repeal that, repeal that, repeal that, repeal that.
	Right.
	There are no more lefty human rights lawyers anymore because there's no more lefty legislation that they use to keep these foreigners in the country.
	So now, all gone.
	They need to they you reform if you're watching, you're not watching.
	Oh, they probably are watching, actually.
	Well, I heed my words then.
	You need to hire a lawyer, get them on the payroll, a lawyer that is intimately familiar with every single case that has been uh you know, squashed under what legislation it's been squashed, analyze it and repeal every single point of legislation.
	If you don't have that already in place, you need to get it in place.
	Otherwise, yeah, you're not serious.
	Yeah, find yourself the furthest right wing lawyer you can find, and just have him draw a literally a slate of things that you just need to repeal on day one.
	Every single piece of legislation, Every single bit.
	Just just literally like Tony Tony Blair legislated like a demon, right?
	Yeah, oh yeah.
	Every single week he would put through dozens and dozens of pieces new people sweeping pieces of legislation.
	You need to be like that in reverse.
	You need to be like, no, we are going to repeal so goddamn much, it's gonna you're gonna be you know, your head's gonna spin.
	And be done in one act.
	It can all be done on one act.
	David Starkey's great repeal bill, yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	But so this is fantastic, but let's not lose sight of the fact that Nigel Farage is only here at this point in time because and and it I I don't want to take w we shouldn't take all the credit, but it is a large portion of what we do here, Lotus Eaters online, the the the online right quote unquote, he is bending to our will.
	It's only because we've made the argument so successfully over the last year that Nigel Farage has realized that the the the vibe has shifted.
	Yeah, hide understanding it's like no, if you say anything else other than we're gonna deport millions, then you're gonna get it in the neck constantly in your in your comment section, you're gonna constantly get bombarded with hatred online for people like white that is not sufficient.
	Yeah, and so yeah, it is absolutely the on online right with people like us, and thank god you guys helping us stay afloat, that has allowed this sea change in British political politics.
	And you'll notice how they're all now flying the flag, they're all like the Lib Dem's like, we're patriots too, Labour are like we're patriots too.
	It's like, yeah, okay, traitors, calm down.
	Yeah.
	I accept that you accept the legitimacy of our movement and how we control the dialectic.
	Yeah.
	And again, you know, his flip flopping is illustrative of that, right?
	Like he he's uh he's a uh a follower, not a leader.
	Yes.
	You know, like again, this was something not not that long ago.
	We're gonna deport 600,000, and then he came out and was like, Oh, actually, sorry, yeah, it's it's just gonna be um you know, it's just gonna be men uh that we're gonna deport.
	And then and then he rolled that back and was like, No, no, women are going as well, because uh what was the online status of that?
	Everyone was in outrage, everyone's like, what the hell are you talking about, Nigel?
	The Americans say chimp out.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Literally, yeah, keep chimping out, yeah, keep chimping out, it's working.
	You can follow it, you can track it.
	Nigel doesn't lead.
	None of what he's implementing here, none of what he's stating here is his own ideas.
	It's our idea, it's the right discourse online, so you must keep pushing this, right?
	Nigel Farage uh he he he's a bit weak source, but we can use him as a blunt instrument to push the Overton window on a national level, and that's where his use is.
	Yes, right?
	That's very, very, very useful.
	And when he wins, he might do something useful.
	Exactly.
	Well, yeah, he might do, you know.
	I mean that's the thing.
	I'm not holding my breath.
	No, no, he might do something useful.
	No.
	And if he does, I will give him full credit for it, you know.
	Don't get me wrong.
	And I think it needs to be explained clearly what are the consequences of failure.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like he wants to save as much of the system as he can, fair enough.
	He has to understand what will happen to the system if he fails and if he doesn't deliver.
	Yeah.
	Because the mood in Britain is extremely dark, people are rightly angry, rightly resentful.
	There's this enormous sense of injustice and lack of recognition for the native Brits, and eventually this has consequences.
	Oh, yeah.
	But the thing is, you wear the wrath of the patient man.
	Well, the the the million Tommy Robinson supporters out last week is that that was a shot across the bowels, and they really took personally.
	Oh, yeah.
	I saw my propaganda is being crazy.
	They were like 150,000 far right on the streets.
	It's like, well, it was more close to a million, but yeah, the point is be afraid because something is genuinely changing in this country.
	And the thing is, it even if Nigel gets in power and doesn't do what we want him to do, and when I say we're talking about on a national level, right?
	Because it is the popular opinion, what we have is the popular opinion.
	So even if he doesn't do what we we want him to do, it's still useful because he would have pushed the Overton window in such a direction that though the individual that comes after him, because inevitably there will be someone that will come after him if he doesn't do what we want him to do, we'll have just blank slate to do everything that we want.
	So no matter what way you look at it, Nigel Farage is good and useful, uh, at least at the moment, right?
	Completely correct.
	And just to add to that point, the competition between Lowe, Farrar, and Janric is extremely beneficial.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Because they all have to prove their credibility on our people.
	And this is proven in the crucible of the online right.
	I hate to do it.
	This is the sort of testing mechanism, is the online right.
	And unless you convince that audience that you're serious, you don't have a chance, and you will be one upped by the next guy.
	Oh, we're over.
	So we'll close with Ash Sarkar's great words.
	So yes, lads, we're winning.
	His language.
	You know what's interesting?
	This is from 20 2016, wasn't it?
	Right, yeah, so nine years ago, 2016, 2017.
	Um so yeah, this it's just interesting how quickly things have shifted.
	You know, because it used to be the the absolute cultural dominance of the left, yes, and there was nothing going on on the right.
	And like, you know, the the smug look that they thought they were gonna win forever.
	Yeah, they thought they were gonna replace us forever.
	And it's like, well, now there's a million far right people in the streets.
	What what now?
	You know.
	Anyway, let's uh let's go to the video comments.
	Yeah, just and again, it's a very short span of time that this is all changed in.
	So just saying, who knows?
	And that's and it really is because we're controlling the dialectic.
	The question is not, oh, are we gonna have an unlimited amount of immigration?
	The question is how many are you gonna get deported by who?
	Yeah, you know, the Lib Dems, the Labour Party, they're all like, oh, yeah, we're gonna deport.
	It's like, I know.
	We know you're going to, because you're not going to give you a choice.
	Let's go to the uh first comment.
	He was killed because his words made a difference.
	Because he was showing people the light.
	And he was killed by the dark.
	Elon Musk seems to have been very touched at Charlie's memorial.
	In fact, here he is, quoting the Lord's Prayer, forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.
	And it seems to be more than just words, because here we see him with Donald Trump.
	Yeah.
	I I feel like quite similar to Elon in many ways.
	Like, you know, we we're he's a little bit older than me, but he's still like raised in the same sort of cultural environment, you know, where it's the same, you know, he liked South Park and all that sort of stuff, right?
	So I I feel like quite a lot of kinship with him in many ways, and I I was touched by all of that as well.
	See why it would be.
	Anyway, let's carry on.
	We're all trying to prove very good, very good.
	Right.
	Uh from the website, Zest King says, 'I agree with Farras that there's no contradiction between forgiving your enemy and doing what justice demands.' As for Trump hating his enemies, he is the head of state and the embodiment of the American government, is his duty to ensure a just punishment is enacted on the killer and all those involved.
	Sure, that's all true.
	Exactly.
	But that's not what Trump was thinking.
	That's not what Trump was thinking.
	Trump was thinking in a very personal honestly, Trump has a pagan morality.
	Trump is thinking like Achilles and the Iliad.
	Uh he's thinking, no, I just have to crush that guy and he deserves it.
	Uh, which again is why why I quite like Trump.
	Uh Bay Stape says, as a Christian, I'll forgive those who ask for forgiveness.
	I'm still waiting to hear the qu request.
	Well, this is the thing about the the left generally, they're so unrepentant.
	Yeah, you know, I'm I'm I'm a soft touch.
	If someone were to come and sincerely crying in my hand, I was like, oh, but okay, yeah, fair enough, you know, like let it go.
	But these people are not like that.
	They hate you, and they still want you dead, and they're just annoyed that they're on the back foot now.
	Uh and so, yeah, I'm I'm personally not in a forgiving mood.
	Um Man of Kent says, just like any martyr by striking him down, they've made him more powerful than they could ever imagine.
	And the thing is that's so obviously true.
	Like Charlie Kirk was like he was obviously very popular, but like he wasn't the unifying figure that he is now.
	Now there's no reason for anyone to speak against him.
	Whereas while he was alive and actually, you know, giving his opinions on things, lots of speech lots of people on the right spoke against him.
	Um but that time is over.
	Uh Welsh Crusader says, for the first time in thirty years since I was a young boy in the West Church, and I had the best time in honor of Charlie Kirk.
	God bless God.
	Um Chance says the right has to cool down with violent rhetoric.
	Us, I forgive you.
	Uh This is the difference between us and them.
	Yes, but we're we're at the point now where we just don't need to prove that we're the better people.
	Yeah.
	Why would we have to prove to who?
	Villains.
	Oh, look, Satan has turned up and like prove you're not a bad person to me.
	It's like at a certain point Why would I do that?
	At a certain point you have to establish that you are the correct one.
	Yeah.
	And the discourse just ends at that point.
	Exactly.
	Right.
	You literally want to mutilate children.
	You literally want to dispossess me of my country.
	They've lost every aspect of the argument.
	Yes.
	And the ones who are doubling down, there's not going to be a reconciliation with them until they genuinely repent.
	And even then they should never be allowed anywhere near power for like 40-50 years.
	Yeah.
	They'd have to start tweeting some really racist things for me to forgive them.
	Furious Dan says, I wonder if Mr. Starmel recognise a British state.
	Uh or more controversially, an English state.
	Lol.
	Um Omar says the Muslims think it's ethical to engage in Takia to bring about Islamic rule, and Jews Jews think erecting string around entire cities to fool God is an acceptable bending of the rules.
	Yeah, I don't understand the Middle East at all, man.
	It's mad.
	Like genuinely mad.
	And you know, I'm I'm not even trying to be prejudicial, I'm just like it it is.
	When when you understand it, you sort of change your mind about a lot of things.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Kevin says prosperity will help.
	Yep.
	With more prosperity, they can buy better weapons.
	Which is literally what they did with all the aid money.
	Like the Palestinian Authority, when it was paying people who killed Israelis, was using mainly European and American funds.
	Yes.
	Just to be clear about that.
	And I kinda I I really have a personal distaste for like Palestinian men as well, right?
	Because I can't help but notice they're mostly fat.
	I'm not even joking.
	They're like, Oh, look at look at my starving child.
	It's like, yeah, but you're fat.
	How are you fat?
	How are you fat?
	It's because you're eating all food.
	You fat sorry, it just annoys me.
	That is how calories work.
	So I know, right?
	And so, you know, the visualist ethics for Veil.
	Yeah, no, that checks out.
	One is then one's fat.
	Go through the videos and they're like, Yeah, look at my starving child, says this fat guy.
	And I'm like, if my children were starving, I would lose a lot of weight.
	You know what I mean?
	Like I would lose a lot of weight if my children were starving.
	And those guys, they're not.
	Uh Ewan says, Can't understand why can't the left understand that non Westerners don't have a family life like we do?
	Um, well, yeah, uh everywhere's different, and for some reason they don't have any conception of that.
	Tim says, Good morning, gentlemen.
	Just woken up here, it's time for breakfast, and I'll watch the show.
	Quick question for Firas.
	On Israel, any chance you can ask Natasha Hausdorf to come on real politique.
	Uh you can have a great discussion about the situation in the Middle East.
	I'll reach out.
	I don't know who she is.
	Frankly, neither do I. Oh, right.
	I'm sure she's good if she's been recognized uh recommended by one of our uh viewers.
	Um Jimbo says, All will be forgiven if Farage designates the home office as a terrorist organization.
	At least the Muslim network in the world.
	contains a few terrorist organizations.
	Yeah.
	Sophie.
	That'd be so funny, man.
	That's the sort of thing Trump would do.
	Trump would do.
	Uh Sophie says, you know the thing about Farage is that he is narcissistic, attention seeking posers who yearns for the love of the masses.
	Uh but uh he is a narcissistic attention-seeking poser who's salivating for that big restore England march to praise his name to get that love by changing the narrative, you can absolutely manipulate this man to suit your agenda.
	Yeah, that's exactly the point.
	It's true.
	Yeah, just wants to be loved in the same way as Trump in many ways.
	Um if only he was a little more strong.
	Yeah, a bit more of a spine.
	Like Nigel should literally be out there every day being like, I'm gonna put gunboats in the channel.
	Look th the boats that he managed to deliver Brexit, yeah, which wouldn't have happened without him, shows a degree of strength.
	But he is so infused with liberal ideas that purging himself of that madness is a long and difficult personal journey for him.
	Yeah.
	And he's really afraid of the media.
	He's afraid of the media quality.
	Because if the if he gets on their wrong side before his victory, they can in fact sideline him per permanently.
	But he should be sidelining the media.
	These days are too big.
	he should be sidelining the media media is not needed in this day and age it's just not he's too old for that no no no but you just to be he'll have young advisors this is the point yes I you're right about the media for smaller politicians but Nigel Farage has a 99.5% name recognition in this he's more famous than Keir Starmers he doesn't need him yeah exactly he he's grown beyond it and he doesn't understand yeah he I don't know what happened to his courage yeah I know well yeah David Armes probably Martin
	and says, good luck to the UK police even finding all of these illegals.
	Perhaps if they ask the imams very nicely, they might be allowed into the Islamic communities to remove their own.
	Doubt it.
	We don't have ice.
	Well, promising to make ice would be...
	BDO.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I like the BDO.
	All I'm saying now is we've got the manpower.
	I'll be there.
	Hit yourself whenever you need it.
	All right.
	But that's the point, right?
	He could be making quite bombastic promises.
	Like, you could make Tom Holman a citizen and sort of bring him back, bring him back to Britain.
	Tom Holman, your chief advisor.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, what do you need to do?
	Just get rid of him.
	Yeah.
	You know, just get him out.
	Any means necessary.
	Just do it.
	Crack on, mate.
	But he could be promising, yeah, we're going to have the formation of the BDL who's going to go into these communities, deport the illegals, cut off all the money, gunboats in the channel, borders sealed for 30 years or something, right?
	Like, no one's coming in or out.
	Deal with it.
	You know?
	Like, you could have that, like, just these bombastic, ridiculous-sounding things, but all the media would be going, Nigel Farage is going to deport everyone down to the fifth generation and everyone will be like Nigel Farage is going to deport everyone down to the fifth generation.
	Everyone would love it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	The message would get out and everyone would love it.
	Imagine what would happen to house prices.
	Yeah, I know, right?
	Just take five minutes to think about two minutes, two seconds, to think about what happens to NHS waiting lists, what happens to home prices, what happens to public safety, what happens to crime data, what happens to 60 different things you can think of in five minutes that would actually improve.
	Migrant communities would hear this and be like, okay, they're done with us.
	I'm going.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I've had enough.
	They would self-expel.
	Exactly.
	They've had enough of us.
	They're going to cut off the money.
	It's just going to be really difficult.
	I'm just going to go home.
	And millions would just willingly leave if Nigel just came out and was...
	was just a bit more hard line but uh anyway Ed Millerband harnessing Enoch spinning grave says Ha ha great name things are so bad that some Romanians I know good ones find it easier just to fly back than to be treated in the NHS here.
	The French people I know do the same thing.
	Yeah, no doubt.
	The Germans I know go to Germany.
	Man of Kent says, the changing attitude in reform is a clear sign that one, Restore is working, and two, the protests are working also.
	So keep going.
	Exactly.
	We have got to create the environment in which they live and essentially make it unpalatable, as you were saying, for them to be anything less than hard line on immigration.
	And the British public really has had enough as well.
	I mean, it's just, you know, decades and decades of surveys and voting for manifestos.
	Like, oh, yeah, we'll get it down to the 10,000.
	No, no, no, no.
	We're not asking for that anymore.
	People want millions gone.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Millions of them have to go.
	We don't want thousands coming in.
	Reduction's good enough.
	It has to be millions going.
	Anyway, Chronicle says, he said he won't revoke British citizenship, and by 2029, all of those he's referring to tackling will be protected.
	Isn't there a contradiction there?
	Did he say he wouldn't revoke British citizenship?
	Well, he said you have to reapply for...
	You can make him say it in a year's time.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Retro...
	Exactly.
	You can make him say it in a year's time.
	Anything that he didn't commit to, we're still here.
	We're not going anywhere.
	And in a year's time, we're going to have just changed the system, changed the discourse, so it'll seem ridiculous for Nigel Frasch to be like, oh, yeah, no, we wouldn't do that.
	No, he will.
	We're going to make him do it.
	I think it was...
	It wasn't Starkey, it was someone else making the argument that the citizenship law of 1982 could be mildly amended to clarify what it means to be able to revoke citizenship in the national interest.
	And if that were correctly amended, then the...
	ability to revoke citizenship would be huge and and I speak as someone who would be at risk fine yeah but you're a net taxpayer I have it for most years last year wasn't great but you know if but the point is you're not like taking loads of money out of the system right so that's and that's the easiest way to I've I I don't live on benefits I don't look at anybody's handouts I don't live on charity I'm a proud man please God don't put me in that position sure but But this is the easiest thing to do.
	You just be like, okay, well, who's paying but who's paying taxes?
	They can stay.
	If you've never, you know, you've never been a net contributor to the system, you're gone.
	That is what Richard Tice said.
	Reform will scrap indefinite leave to remain scheme retrospectively.
	You have to reapply.
	So unless I misunderstand I mean he could be More clear couldn't he But the point is Hold them to it And force them into this position But we are out of time.
	Nate, where can people find more from you?
	Uh mistake reviews on Twitter and YouTube, as well as the State of Politics, which is a channel I run with Bo.
	All right.
	Thanks for joining us, folks.
	We'll see you tomorrow.

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