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	Who are the men that pick for scraps amongst the ruins at the end of history?
	You should know because you encounter them every day.
	Between the towering buildings of a fallen empire, we find the Felahen, the historyless men, who know nothing of the turning of the cosmic wheel and find themselves outside of civilization itself.
	Cut loose from the great chain of being, they represent the loam into which our dying culture will return.
	That is, unless we choose to take up the burden once again.
	This Felahen condition is the subject we explore in the book.
	the subject we explore in issue four of Islander magazine on sale while stocks last and available worldwide at shop.loadseaters.com hello and welcome to the podcast of the load seaters episode 1234 for Wednesday the 20th of August 2025 I'm your host Luca joined today by Beau and Lewis.
	Hello.
	Now Director of Investigations for Restore Britain.
	So many congratulations.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	It means a lot.
	It's quite an opportunity and yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's quite a lot, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	I won't remind you of it for the rest of the week.
	Good.
	Anyway, today we're going to be talking about the closure of the Bell Hotel in Epping.
	We're then going to be having a bit of an update on Trump's deportations.
	And then we're going to be talking about the Met Police absolutely bracing themselves for Nottinghill Carnival this weekend.
	So should be a bit more of a comical segment to end on.
	Anyway, with that all said, over to you, Lewis.
	Shall we?
	Okay.
	So we've just had Epping recently.
	Once again, some really.
	good news where the Battle of Epping, as they say, has won.
	But it's not over, as they say.
	There was something quite nice, actually, about waking up and seeing that The Guardian had posted saying that Labour's plans are in turmoil.
	after the Epping hotel was blocked from housing the illegal migrants as well within this hotel.
	So we're going to go through this story.
	We'll read some from The Guardian as well.
	We'll see some reactions.
	And what happens next?
	Because there's a lot of questions.
	well?
	Do people just, you know, get evicted and then move on to another place?
	Is it just past the buck now?
	Or can something actually be done?
	But before we do that...
	I just, I love how on the second, Labour's plans are in turmoil.
	Just our plans.
	Our plans are in turmoil.
	Indeed.
	Oh, I thought you were going to say something, but yeah, forgive me.
	Irelander first, I believe.
	Sure, why not?
	Cool.
	Tell us about it.
	Yeah.
	Pick up Islander copy number four, Bo there.
	is giving a good showcase there um yeah you should get it some really really cool writings in it roy does a fantastic job on all the graphics making it look really really nice and they sell out pretty quick from what i've been seeing as an outsider so it's all true i can confirm it all indeed um so With this Guardian article to kick things off,
	I wanted to go through how it's framed and we can have a bit of a little discussion around it and then go through a few things we've witnessed at the Epping protests from the last month and a half or so, I think now.
	It's been going on for quite a while.
	Quite a while.
	So it opens this article with Kirstalmer's asylum plans have been plunged into turmoil after a high court.
	After a High Court ruling blocked people seeking refuge, is how they're framing it, from being housed in an Essex hotel called the Bell Hotel.
	Epping Forest District Council was granted an interim injunction on Tuesday to stop asylum seekers from being placed at the Bell Hotel following continuing protests nearby.
	Thousands of people, including some right-wing agitators, have gathered near the hotel in recent weeks after an asylum seeker living there was charged with sexually assaulting a 14-year-old girl in the town.
	It's famously something that only right-wing agitators ever care about.
	Ministers are bracing for dozens of legal challenges from other council leaders after the ruling.
	Home Office lawyers warned the court that the decision could substantially impact the government's ability to house asylum seekers in hotels across the UK.
	There are about two hundred hotels housing about thirty thousand asylum seekers at the end of March.
	Insiders at the home office admitted the department had been left reeling by the ruling.
	The department is obliged to house asylum seekers until their cases are assessed.
	So obviously we know about the framing from the Guardian but it would be very entertaining as well.
	You know, look at what the opposition is framing it.
	Still calling them far-right agitators.
	Yeah.
	Thoughts, gentlemen.
	No mention that, even if there are, which don't think there are, but even if there are, no mention of the left-wing agitators that have certainly been there.
	Absolutely.
	No mention of that.
	The idea that they're obliged to house asylum seekers by their own rules.
	Don't have to be.
	We don't have to be obliged.
	We could just detain them, keep them on remand until they return to their country of origin or France.
	Don't have to be obliged to do that, but also no mention of that.
	No, of course not.
	The overriding thing which is amazing really is that the home office is the government, right?
	It is the government.
	So they're trying to keep unvetted, some certainly violent sex criminals in this community that don't want it, near a school, inside of a school.
	That's their angle.
	That's what they're doing.
	The local council, at least some of them, and a lot of the local residents obviously don't want that, but the government, the home office, and it's their job, from MI5 down through all the police, everything, it's their job.
	Everything.
	It's their job.
	Their first and foremost charge is to keep us safe.
	And they're the ones doing this, doing everything in their power through the courts to keep these people.
	Well, we did a segment.
	It's crazy, isn't it?
	It's crazy.
	We did a segment only, I believe, last week where it showed between 2020 to 2024 that the Home Office were engaging with NGOs, charities, and, well, legal counsels, essentially, having meetings with them.
	But we've not seen anyone being allowed, from what I've seen, I don't know, feel free to prove me wrong, of any consultations or meetings between the Home Office and people that might not want that.
	Well, those aren't the sort of voices that are very welcome, Whitehole, are they?
	Interesting.
	It says, reacting to the judgment, the Border Security Minister Angela Eagle said, quote, We will carefully consider this judgment as a matter remains subject to ongoing legal proceedings.
	It would be inappropriate to comment further at this stage.
	So that's that.
	I think it's important though.
	Coward, political coward.
	Essentially, yeah.
	If we move on to the next one, please, because my Stream Deck thing isn't working for whatever reason.
	I think it's important to remember that without...
	I've done it.
	I think it's important to remember as well that without people on the ground, the concerned mothers, fathers, people that came out in Epping, the local community, this wouldn't have happened, I don't think.
	And we can go through, because there is a tweet that explains a bit more about why this particular hotel is closing down because of this.
	We'll go through that.
	But I think it is important to not only say about the local people that have come out in support, but also the citizen journalists and journalists that were going to these protests to consistently film them, consistently show, listening to the people.
	And there's been a real big insurgence of citizen journalists that have been there.
	Adam Brooks, he was there pretty much nearly every...
	every protest I mean he he tried to make it out for most of the time for nearly every protest and was there asking people like their concerns talking to people which the legacy media never will do never does and if they do it's a particular narrative and a spin.
	It's not, well, what is your concerns and then going to the other side and asking well why are you here today like just a basic question you just hardly see that anymore and that shows how the legacy media is destroying itself the good the good thing about this is that um the noble people of epping coming out it made a difference it did matter it is worth doing because there's the angle you could say that i mean uh carl benjamin made a video
	just this morning i think on daily acad where he talked about how it's good that there's this win but it's also disappointing that it all boiled down to planning yes which will get into.
	Which is, which is, as he said, annoying.
	We'll still take the win.
	Okay, it's just sort of lucky that it worked for us this time.
	But okay, we'll take the win.
	But still, it's not the government, it's not the Home Office actually listening to the people at all.
	But I think, which is all true, I agree with that take completely.
	But the thing is, if the people of Epping hadn't turned out like this, I bet a lot of money, I bet everything, that nothing would have happened at all.
	No.
	Nothing would have happened at all.
	It wouldn't have even got to like the planning permission thing.
	That wouldn't have happened either.
	The focus that the locals have brought to what's going on there.
	It matters.
	It made a difference.
	It honestly did.
	I feel like, I don't know about you chaps, but since 2020, like, you know, I came onto this journalist, reporter, whatever you want to call it, scene, media scene, alternative media scene, from the first thing I did was go out to a protest, an anti-lockdown protest, and ask people, like, why are you here?
	And I didn't actually, I wasn't sure what to think at the time, because I was so brand new to it all.
	And I kind of was like, I'm not sure.
	But I went there and just, you know, asked people anyway, like, why?
	are you here today and what's fascinating about it all is the rise in Like a few times we were kind of going, we've been out here for so long, nothing's been happening.
	I know there's this group in Ireland when I went there a couple of months ago and they had been 24 hours camping outside of a a golf resort because they turned that into a migrant accommodation and they camped out 24 hours a day and had done for nearly well over a year and I got to meet them and sit down and talk to them.
	And because it had been a year on, they were sitting there going, Nobody's listening to us.
	We feel like giving up, but we've come so far.
	But it shows that it forces the councils, especially, to be put in a position where they have to look through any legal matter.
	When there's a will, there's a way, you know?
	Different protest.
	Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
	Yeah.
	I remember going on the anti Iraq War, Iraq War 2 rally in London, which was massive.
	You know, quite often they say a million man march.
	Well, but this really was massive.
	When did that happen?
	2003?
	2003?
	Was it 2002 or 2003?
	I remember going on that and it did achieve nothing.
	Blair just essentially ignored it.
	Just ignored it basically.
	But that was a one-day thing.
	So sometimes protesting absolutely doesn't work.
	Sometimes it does.
	Yeah.
	But are you going to not do it?
	What else can you do?
	I mean, that's the annoying thing, right?
	I think of the 60s and the 70s, the lots and lots of protests in America about the Vietnam War.
	Yes.
	So for years, they were essentially ignored.
	But eventually, it made a difference.
	Eventually, essentially, forced Nixon's hand in the end.
	One way or another.
	If nothing else, if nothing else, it can move the narrative.
	And now we live in the world of the internet and Twitter and normal people, journalists like Jack, in sterling work.
	It's perhaps even more valuable than it used to be.
	So I'll say, yeah, you may go on protest, you may go on protest for years and it never achieve anything, yeah.
	But it might do though, it can do, it certainly can do absolutely so if it really matters if it's the difference between losing your country or not?
	It's the difference between your children getting sexually assaulted or not.
	Why not?
	You mentioned about as well the reason why planning permission.
	So this, I believe, you sent me earlier actually, and it was a journalist from, yeah, a political editor from the Times actually posted this.
	I just wanted to read it out.
	In the end, the Bell Hotel, the asylum hotel in Epping, has been at the centre of so much controversy, but it wasn't closed down because of protests, local fears or crime or disorder.
	I actually disagree with a lot of that, but we'll go with that for now.
	It came down to planning laws, specifically the town and country's planning law of 1987.
	Epping Forest Council argued, and successfully, that the owner of the hotel had failed to apply for planning permission for what was a, quote, material change of use.
	What was once a venue used for weddings and conferences was turned over exclusively to the use of 138 male asylum seekers.
	judge blocked attempts by the home office to intervene pretty based yeah arguing that it was not relevant in what was ostensibly a planning law or planning laws, it has significant repercussions.
	Other councils could use the precedent to apply for injunctions of their own.
	The Home Office thinks it could undermine the entire asylum hotel policy, so never underestimate planning regulations.
	For once, I actually agree with red tape.
	I'm so anti-red tape, but in this instance, it's like, okay, well, that's actually helped.
	If it's exactly as you say, if it because at the end of the day, the, like, for example, I remember when I went to Scampton last year, RS, RS.
	scam to where they were trying to put a house of legals on the air base there yeah and ultimately what it came down to was just that the local people were able to run down the clock until the time of the general election and then labor got in and just scrapped the tories plan right so it was never about you know, the government was never actually forced to address the fact that this was going to endanger the local people.
	It was never forced to address just the sheer immorality of the plan itself.
	It all got bogged down in logistics and, you know, there's the walls and there's bats living in there.
	Like, you know, so it's like, it's not suitable for the migrants and this is what they are going to say whatever they want to say right but we it doesn't matter whether we don't need to get them to agree for our moral reasoning for why we want them to get close because they're never going to agree because if they did agree they wouldn't be doing this to us in the first place but what we can do is find the legal means to combat it yes and the reasons are our are our own right and the reasons are perfectly good and
	moral yeah absolutely i agree so it's like a win we'll take it it's a win we'll take it of course yes um but it's just sort of it feels a bit like something like a cheap win.
	Right.
	Or it feels like But you're right because the government itself will never accept the actual, the idea that multiculturalism itself is a disaster or something like that.
	Well, um.
	They'll never accept that.
	So we have to do this, okay.
	And what's that?
	It's not, but it's not ideal, is it?
	It's not really, we would like it.
	It would be best if the government actually accepted that putting 138 unvetted men right next to a school and at least two of them have committed violent crimes, that there's something wrong with that.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	But for now, for the time being, it means it gets, hopefully, that school of children in, you know, a much safer circumstance, which is a win.
	You know, it is entirely.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, as whilst some of us see it as a win, others do not see it as a win, weirdly.
	And I wanted to play this clip from Zoe Gardner.
	Unfortunately, she has blocked me on X. So, you know, can't really...
	I haven't watched this clip yet, but I thought I'd throw it in just, you know, for a bit of balance, you know, some of us, you know, see it as a win.
	Some of us don't, apparently.
	but I wanted to just listen to her take and see, you know, what she says.
	Well, maybe she had never heard of her before.
	It's bugging out for some reason.
	Well, according to her title, she's allegedly an asylum seeker, asylum researcher.
	But according to others that dug a bit deeper, like Charlotte Gill, for example, has found out she's actually just an activist.
	So, yeah, and I think Guido Fawkes has mentioned that she's an activist as well.
	we'll see what she says it's not really working at the minute We'll move on.
	Whatever she said was so dull.
	So important.
	Another gem lost.
	Yeah.
	Like tears in rain.
	Well, okay.
	So we'll move on from this.
	But according to this post, it says, quote, there were violent racist protests, people being terrorised who were living there, and this person, Zoey, was obviously on the BBC.
	I'm not sure if Ofcom are going to investigate that.
	I highly doubt it.
	You know, for biased reasons.
	But yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath.
	Don't worry, we'll move on.
	Because to be honest, I didn't really want to listen to it anyway.
	I just wanted to torture everyone else.
	Sorry about that.
	You failed.
	There's another thing.
	The rhetoric has also dialed up, but from someone in particular that we can talk about.
	Nigel Farage wrote an article yesterday at 7:50 it went out saying Epping has shown the way to win.
	We must now detain and deport the thousands of illegal immigrants who had no business being in Britain.
	That detain and deport line.
	At 7.50 it went out, saying Epping has shown the way to win.
	We must now detain and deport the thousands of illegal immigrants who have no business being in Britain.
	Detain and deport.
	line.
	Nice ring to it.
	Someone else used it quite a lot.
	Also, Is it?
	Also, isn't that supposed to be a political impossibility, Nigel?
	I thought it was a political impossibility, so I don't...
	I mean, yes.
	I mean, that's a good thing, right?
	I wouldn't trust him to carry it out.
	Well.
	But encourages more people to...
	Yeah.
	Well, oh gosh, I went through it a bit too quickly there.
	I don't know what that was.
	Excuse me.
	I'm, yeah, a bit of a noob when it comes to this.
	How do you go about that?
	So yes, the rhetoric has changed.
	So that's interesting.
	when we talk about what happens next because that's the big question right this hotel has been closed down where do we go next um are people are just going to be past the buck you know from hotel to hotel and that's what people fear i put out a video this morning and you know the main question was yeah it sounds great but are people going to be past the buck so let's just go through it and have a discussion jack posted this earlier saying broxbourne council might soon follow epping with their own
	injunction to close the delta maria in chestnut um chest chest hunt sorry um as i wrote in the critic mag uh over two weeks ago if one hotel like the bell starts closing down a quote then everyone knows that peaceful angry protests work so there seems to be a chain reaction happening and i see it as a good thing so i don't know what you guys think but in my opinion people are saying well you're just passing it but you're passing the buck to be honest i think
	if more if more hotels decide to okay councils decide to go down this line I think it will force the government's hand, the home office's hand to actually do something about it because let's be honest, morally, politically, they don't want to deport people.
	They're not interested really, let's be honest, on the grand scheme of things they're not interested in deporting illegal immigrants from the hotels so by the councils enacting something similar whether it be the planning permission whether it be other means i see it as a personally a good thing and it applies pressure what do you guys think well I do agree with you.
	I think that the other thing as well is that when you say, well, is it passing the book on?
	Well, if enough people can be inspired by Epping, and as we've covered, you know, very recently on the podcast as well, you know, just how much these protests are spreading throughout the country, you know, many, many different hotels many towns many cities if you can apply that pressure in each one and find the legal mechanism to basically invalidate its use as a hotel on a large enough scale theoretically you could get to a point where you
	can't pass it anywhere right you pass them on to another one well not if nowhere's willing to take them the worry with that of course is that they all end up just getting put in council houses right and then you're having to you've not even got them all compact into one place now just scatter them even more because this is ultimately what it comes down to, you're quite right, they don't want to get rid of them.
	You know what I say?
	I say because they're not going to deport, they're not going to deport them.
	This government aren't going to do that unless the hand is almost forced by, you know, a chain reaction of this.
	I say Carla Denya, her constituents, maybe she could take more in because, you know, they believe diversity is a strength.
	They believe that, you know, that we should be, there isn't such a thing as borders, you know.
	Jimmy Carr's got a big house, we've lost a lot of people.
	He's got a big house, Gary Lineker.
	empty rooms I think yeah Lily Bragg Lily Bragg's got a lot of empty rooms Lily Allen yeah sure yeah yeah how about that that's a good idea don't you think I think this is good but in a limited way it's we're part of a process here it's not going to go from the Epping protest to the government deporting everyone that needs to be deported that's not realistic it's not going to happen no but so we're involved in an ongoing process here yeah This step of the process so far is a bit of a win on our side of the ledger.
	So take them where we can.
	But it's absolutely right.
	These 138 men, or is it 136, at least two are being held on remand for violent crimes and or sex crimes they're not just going to disappear they've got the home office will have to send them somewhere so it'll be some other poor buggers community whose kids are now in danger potentially so yeah it's true it is just passing the buck on but that's where we are in the process yeah we've just got to keep pushing again on our side of the ledger until we either get a new government until this government does the morally
	right thing of deporting them or until we get another government that's prepared to do that or until perhaps we get into a position where there's hardly any hotels anywhere that are prepared to do it or the councils block it very very quickly preventing them from doing it.
	And so then it makes it gives the home office, the government's potential options more and more limited.
	So where do you put them?
	Do you put them on like an old RAF base?
	Or do you put them in old barracks, old disused like public school, private school, sort of dormitories or whatever?
	Or you make an offshore prison hulk like the skibby skibby skibby skibby skibby skibby skibby skampton they say what they called it.
	What was its real name?
	Stock um skibby Stockholm.
	Bibby Stockholm, not the skibby.
	The Skibbedy Stockholm.
	The Skibbedy Stockholm.
	No making brain rock memes.
	Now that was a shout out to the Gen Zedders.
	The Skibbedy Stockholm.
	Make like a dozen of those all next to each other.
	I never heard you say that.
	I never heard you say Skibbedy.
	I did deliberately do that.
	I wasn't the slip of the tongue.
	I was attempting to be funny.
	I was sorry.
	I think it worked.
	It did work.
	Make 50 offshore prison hulks.
	Whatever you want to.
	Or whatever they're going to do.
	They've got to do something with them.
	They're not going to disappear.
	So it's right, it is a legit criticism to say, well, you're just passing the buck on, yeah.
	But that is just the reality, that's where we are in this process.
	We've got to keep putting various, in all different ways, put as much pressure on the Home Office to sort sort their act out.
	Well, speaking of pressure, what we're doing over at Restore, Rupert Lowe put in the follow, well, following the Epping ruling, he actually wrote to the Home Secretary saying, now is the time for mass deportations, where it says, Dear Home Secretary, I hope you'll join me in con in congratulating the good people of Epping who have peacefully and successfully driven one of your rotten migrant hotels to close.
	Local councils now know they can block hotel use through injunctions.
	Communities will not tolerate being treated as dumping grounds nor should they.
	The public backlash is only going to grow and every new hotel scheme risks more protests, more policing costs and more division.
	As we have made abundantly clear in Great Yarmouth, illegal migrants are not welcome.
	Hotels were never a sustainable solution.
	They are unsafe, unsuited to long term accommodation, and cost the taxpayer billions.
	They have become flashpoints of migrant disorder, hostility, and in some cases serious criminal allegations, it is pure chaos.
	Equally, the idea that we can shift the problem onto HMOs is just as flawed.
	Packing migrants into residential neighborhoods evidently only magnifies community tensions, overwhelms local services, and places unacceptable slash unsafe burdens on communities.
	It has been a total disaster.
	The only credible way to forward this is one, end all hotel slash HMO use immediately, detain all illegal arrivals upon entry and those currently in accommodation slash communities, use offshore tented camps, not hotels, remove swiftly and consistently., those with no legal right to remain must be deported without delay, either to their home country or to a safe third country.
	Restore deterrence.
	Unless illegal entry results in detention and removal, the boats will keep coming and Britain will remain a magnet to the third world.
	In short, detain deport.
	That is how we stop the boats.
	Obviously, Rupert's applying some pressure there, which is great.
	He obviously done a video, just a minute video explaining about this as well.
	In the investigations unit, we have gone through and one of our colleagues, Rob Rob, had written to every council in the country urging them to follow Epping's lead, to challenge the Home Office and send a message as well, and obviously to do what's right for the community.
	And on top of that, we've done some FOIs to each to the Home Office as well as the Epping District Council.
	And we're doing this in two phases.
	We want to try and extract as much information as possible about these injunctions and to apply pressure.
	So we've asked for titles, dates, and reference numbers of any ministerial submissions, internal reports, or briefing notes since twenty twenty three to now that refer to injunctions sought by local authorities against the use of hotels for asylum accommodation, including this case of Epping, and any copies of correspondence between the Home Office and Epping Forest District, so we can have a look and we can see the process.
	And then we're going to launch phase two, and phase two is to is to make this nationwide, so to try and extract more, so to go through each and every other council and who is trying to impose an injunction now and who is turning a blindind eye?
	Because it's now really important more than ever to apply a bit of pressure.
	So that's what we're doing at the moment.
	Because it's absolutely not given that every single council will go the route even if they know it's there.
	Because they're already captured or whatever.
	So it's important to name them.
	It's important to name them now and to say, you are turning a blind eye.
	We have the means to do this now.
	We have a way to do this.
	So are you going to follow Epping or are you not?
	Are you going to turn a blind eye?
	And we have to say it now.
	That was a very good, strongly worded letter from Prince Rupert.
	Love him.
	Loved it.
	Loved it.
	I love the offshore thing.
	Not heard that one before.
	Love it.
	I'm going to start saying that.
	Yeah, some wind-swept rock just off the south coast.
	Get a shitty little tent.
	You can stay there until you go back to France or wherever you're from.
	Yeah, don't make it easy.
	Absolutely, yeah.
	They're doing an illegal invasion.
	We're being invaded here.
	For God's sake, yeah.
	That's not too harsh.
	You'll get some bleeding hearts, won't you?
	You'll get like the chamois Chakrabati types.
	Yeah.
	Pretend to be outraged.
	If Zoe Gardner's not crying, we're not deporting them hard enough.
	Gwayne Towler clutching his pearls.
	Oh, we can't do that.
	No, yeah.
	No, do that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	As a deterrent, if nothing else.
	Yeah, you're going to end up in a crappy tent on a windswept rock if you try and break into this country illegally.
	That's not too, that's nowhere near too harsh.
	It's too good for them.
	If anything.
	They're doing something despicable.
	Yeah, they are.
	Yeah, I know.
	For God's sakes.
	So that's what we're doing at Restore.
	That's where we're going to apply some more pressure, as of course you guys are doing over at the Lotus Seaters.
	Really, you know.
	Everyone has a role to play, right?
	Everyone needs to, obviously, you know, now's not the time to, you know, slack.
	We've got to, you know, seize the moment and help as much as possible for communities, you know, across the country.
	And what's more, I hope that what's happened at Epping and what the community has been able to achieve together, obviously with the help of the legal aspect of it, will inspire, of course, other local communities as well, right?
	It'll remind them that, no, there is reasons to hope.
	There is reasons to think that you can change things, right?
	You can slowly start fighting back on a local level in order to make your community safer.
	and obviously get these hotels closed down where everyone's plaguing you things do happen don't be completely demoralized no black pilling no booming they want you demoralized right exactly yeah yeah they want you to think that you can never ever do anything your only option is to roll over and be quiet and go into the darkness you know you don't have to do that You can stand up,
	you've got a voice, you've got some feet, you can make a placard, you can do something, you can send letters.
	You can vote for Rupert Hoe if you live in Yarmouth.
	Great Yarmouth.
	But that's it, that's my segment.
	All right, wonderful.
	Thank you.
	I'll go through some of these rumble rants.
	We've got Logan Seventeen Pines says, You and I know the second they admit to our concerns, the whole thing comes crashing down and that scares them the hell out of it.
	Yeah, yeah, of course it does.
	That's a random name says, Lewis, when Nigel told you that you should go out more, what he meant was that you should go out so that his mate Zia could house some of his migrants at your house.
	We've got Dwight Power.
	He's so diplomatic.
	He's like, No, I'm sure that's not what he meant at all.
	Oh no, not in that voice.
	Don't know what that voice was, to be honest with you.
	I'll pack it in.
	Dwight Powell says, in my opinion, the demos on the usual planned route in London are a waste of time.
	They're just an adult play pen for people to blow off steam for a few hours.
	Widespread, localised protests are far more useful.
	It all has its place, but I largely agree with you, Dwight.
	Yeah, I do.
	All right, over to you, Beau.
	Am I going with a Donald?
	Am I going second today, is it?
	Yeah.
	All right, then.
	Have a mouse.
	Thank you very much.
	all right so let's let's find my first uh the first thing oh no oh don't like it oh gosh is this our first gross okay um so the donald and the us federal government is actually doing stuff Wow.
	Imagine that.
	Imagine your government actually working in your interest.
	We can barely imagine such a thing, can we?
	No.
	Even being completely indifferent and neutral.
	But no, actively, proactively attempting to do stuff.
	So there was a lot of promises from the Trump campaign this time round to secure the borders, the southern border largely, but not actually just the southern border, but to secure the border and to have mass deportations.
	Steve Bannon was great on this.
	I'm a Bannon fan.
	Don't know about you chaps.
	I like Bannon.
	Yeah, he's great.
	I like Bannon.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he's so MAGA.
	He's so America first that if you're not actually American sometimes it can be a bit like, oh, all right, dive it down a bit.
	But no, where I'm for them, right?
	I said, I think I said I think I said this yesterday.
	I'm for American nationalism in America.
	I'm for English nationalism in England.
	I'm for Indian nationalism in India.
	So he's just great.
	It's great to see.
	I'm for English nationalism in France.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	In the old Plantagenet, in the old Angevin.
	Indeed.
	Yeah.
	We still own Gascony.
	Let's be honest.
	And Normandy.
	That's ours.
	Piccadilly, Normandy.
	It should really be English.
	Anyway.
	Jake in.
	Yeah.
	So Bannon's great on it.
	If you ever, if anyone knows, they know.
	But he always bangs the drum on it pretty hard.
	Even when it seems like Trump's focus has moved to something else, he's the one to try and draw it back.
	When there was things about the Iran thing, bombing.
	Oh, yes.
	The things Bannon was saying was like, I thought the first thing was to deport millions of people.
	And explicitly saying that as well.
	Not beating around the bush.
	Not dog whistling or anything.
	Just saying millions of people are here illegally and they need to be forcibly deported.
	So anyway, Trump is...
	Some say Trump's not deported.
	That is an argument.
	I mean, I think Bannon would probably say something like that if you're sure yeah who's pushed it's probably not i agree with that it's not quick enough it's not hard enough but anyway at least he is doing some stuff so uh in the in the news today um talking about talking about the us striking deals with honduras and uganda of all places so it seems like the trump administration as any good government should that find themselves swamped with millions of illegals trying to make deals with third-party countries where we can send them there.
	In the case of Honduras, I'm sure many of the illegals have come from there anyway.
	Right, yeah.
	Oh, absolutely, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So let's read a little bit of this.
	The US has reached bilateral deportation agreement with Honduras and Uganda as part of its crackdown on illegal immigration according to documents obtained by the BBC's US partner CBS.
	Uganda has agreed to take an unclear number of African and Asian migrants who have claimed asylum on the US-Mexico border while Honduras will receive several hundred deported people from Spanish-speaking countries CBS reports.
	Well that's the first thing to say is that when you actually drill down into these things very often the numbers are actually really tiny.
	Or they just won't say how many, you know.
	Like the deal that Keir Starmer was supposed to have struck with France the other week that we'll send them straight back on boats, but we won't say how many.
	So in other words, you're probably not going to do it at all.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	But then when they do sometimes talk about numbers, it's tiny numbers.
	Yeah.
	It'll be tiny numbers.
	Like there, Honduras will receive several hundred.
	They need to get rid of millions.
	Yeah, it's nothing.
	So it's a drop in the ocean.
	It's window dressing.
	But it's a headline to make them look like.
	It's a bit of red meat.
	Something's doing.
	That's why some people like the hardline MAGA crew, the Bannons of this world, they will say, come on, dude.
	Like that's, it's better than nothing, just about.
	But it's not good enough.
	It's not going to cut it.
	It's not going to cut it.
	No.
	All right.
	And so anyway, that's often what happens.
	If I read a bit more.
	The movie is part of an attempt by Donald Trump's administration to get more countries to accept deported migrants who are not their own citizens.
	Human rights campaigners have condemned the policy, saying migrants face the risk of being sent to countries where they could be harmed.
	that's a classic thing they've always said they've always say this we can't possibly deport you know like maybe convicted rapists back to Pakistan because they've got or Nigeria or something because in those or Saudi Arabia those countries have got poor human rights records and these people may well face severe corporal punishment or capital punishment there.
	Not our problem.
	Guys shouldn't have done these awful crimes in the first place then.
	Yeah, and this is what Bukele was saying, wasn't it, when he was trying to clean up El Salvador.
	It's like the human rights lawyers always put more emphasis on the human rights of the worst scum in the earth than the victims or than just the people trying to go about their daily lives.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Every time.
	What an inverted way to look at things.
	What a perverted morality that is.
	Okay, let's read a little bit more of this.
	Honduras agreed to receive migrants over two years, included families travelling with children, but documents suggest it could decide to accept more.
	Both deals are part of the Trump administration's border push for deportation agreements with countries on several continents, including those with controversial human rights records.
	Right.
	So it seems like the Donald is not as concerned with that.
	as many have been before.
	The other thing as well is that as to what you were saying, Beau, about just the scale of deportations necessary.
	If this isn't, especially with the midterms, you know, once the midterms come up and if the Republicans lose power, you know, throughout several branches of government, you know, the Senate or whatever, you'll lose whatever, then, and then, you know, what's more, depending on what happens, obviously, in the upcoming election in 2028, if the Democrats win again and all of this is just, and you've still left in 8 million.
	illegal immigrants right then you haven't changed anything really it has to be a remarkable number yeah otherwise the original plan that elong that Elon kept banging on about, you know, like they're going to give them all voting rights and you're never going to have a Republican victory ever again.
	That plan can still go ahead.
	It's still on, right?
	And they'll still want to do it.
	There's so many polls, right?
	There's so many.
	The Democrats aren't going to change their ways in the next four years, are they?
	No, absolutely not.
	All of that is still on the table, unless you just get them all out.
	That's why I say I'm with the banners of this world.
	It's got to be millions.
	And it's got to be yesterday.
	No more fannying about.
	Let's get this thing done, you know.
	Yeah, no, absolutely.
	Because already the midterms are looming on the horizon.
	There's a reason why people talk about the first 100 days of government.
	Of course, that's an arbitrary thing.
	But nonetheless, there's a reason for that because the president nearly always is at his most powerful in the first half of the term, i.e.
	before the midterms.
	And then towards the second half of that first half, it's all midterm fever.
	People are looking ahead to that.
	So it's the first bit of your presidency where you're most powerful, assuming that you've even got Congress and or the Senate with you at all.
	But Trump does enjoy that, doesn't he?
	So, yeah, already Trump's ability to sort of wield sort of authority with as few checks and balances on it as possible will already be deteriorating.
	So we'll see, I mean, another line here.
	Last week, the U.S. State Department announced it has signed a safe third country agreement with Paraguay.
	further down it says the white house has also been actively courting several african nations with randa saying oh yeah gos, it will take up to, ready, an astounding number of up to 250 migrants.
	From the US?
	That's nothing.
	So nothing.
	So nothing.
	So not, it's barely a token gesture, yeah.
	I can only hope the American negotiation was better than ours and that Rwanda didn't say, Oh, and in exchange you take 250 of our labourers.
	Well, our one was always going to be an exchange program, wasn't it?
	It was always going to be, we'll swap an Albanian with a Rwandan or whatever it was going to be, whatever nonsense.
	In the meantime, have millions and millions of pounds.
	And also now don't worry about it at all forget that let's get it and you can keep all that money we gave you as well crazy craziness he's a talk about the art of the deal the leader of rwanda yeah yeah outright outright from the art of the deal oh my gosh um yeah rwanda 250 wow oh bannon will be happy with that yeah not um 250.
	i know it's ridiculous isn't it it's absolutely ridiculous um yeah but at least it seems like the trump administration is trying to sort of make deals to get this done which is more than we do right That's true.
	It's more than we do.
	It's like the half-hearted attempt and it doesn't really ever come to anything.
	Yeah, there's more here just actually from the BBC.
	It's interesting actually the way the BBC frames a lot of this stuff because they like ask questions like, what's in it for the third world country?
	Like, is it in their interest?
	Where is it?
	Well, yeah, what's in it for the host countries?
	Like, what great question.
	Will they ask that about our country?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Oh my God.
	Will it make Rwandans less safe if you sent some Mexicans there.
	Oh, now you're worried about that.
	Oh, okay.
	Interesting, isn't it?
	Like, the way that that's, oh man, there's a lot wrong with that.
	Nigeria just saying, nope.
	Yeah, enough.
	Nigeria.
	Wow.
	I mean, it's a fair point.
	He's not right.
	I actually bet that.
	If anyone listening, just the headline says, Nigeria has, quote, enough problems, quote, and can't take deportees from US.
	I mean, do you blame?
	Do you blame?
	Well, no, no, no, no.
	That's the same.
	That's the rhetoric we want.
	Sounds like literally the rhetoric we want.
	Nigeria thirsts rhetoric there.
	From Nigeria.
	It's like how Israel just wants to clear out the Gaza Strip and trying to get them sent anywhere they can, from Indonesia to South Sudan to England, anywhere they can.
	And a lot of countries just saying, well, any country in its right mind, saying, nope, thank you.
	Yeah, that's a hard pass from us.
	Thank you very much.
	But why would any country that actually works, supposed to work in the interest of its own people, except people that by definition are criminals if they've tried to cross international borders without a passport and without doing it correctly why would any country take any of them on the face of it at all why would you no no it's hard it should be a hard no always uh but there you go what other what other thing have i got here oh yeah just rwanda says it's
	it's in in talks see having a chat see how many millions they can ring out of whoever it would be the state department or something gosh do you know what's funny not it's this isn't off topic but you know when you talk about diplomacy a lot of it is just socials now like it's just having a social i mean you look at the guy finland who's been at the table about ukraine with uh with trump and they've just been going out to golf together and then
	whatever of Finland is sitting at the table and is actually trying to help and doing as best they can.
	It's just a social now.
	It's funny, it is.
	It is the way the world does work though.
	Yeah.
	Ultimately it boils down to people sitting down having lunch.
	Yeah, yeah.
	playing golf.
	Sitting down one way or another, a group of powerful men and occasionally a few women sitting down having conversations.
	That's how the whole world works.
	Yeah.
	Put the world to right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there's a reason why it's a cliché that like I wish there was.
	That like CEOs or even presidents and prime ministers go out and play golf.
	Yeah, that's how things.
	That's how it is.
	That's how it works.
	Yeah.
	So Yeah, you're so right, yeah.
	It's interesting.
	Because you, like, for me, diplomacy, you know, it's all just people in suits sitting around a table, and then everyone shouting over each other and hang on a minute, no, well, order, order, you know, all of that nonsense.
	You think of it like that.
	But it's actually so right.
	It actually boils down to a golf game or like taking someone out to lunch and just saying, Come on, man, we've got to deport people.
	Come on.
	God, we just look, have that coffee.
	We're going to deport people.
	I don't know who said it, but it's very true.
	Amlais.
	It's like drink your coffee, dad.
	You'll be like that guy.
	Deport, come on.
	When people talk about conspiracy theories or that certain groups, you know, collude together.
	Like some big banks like Bank of America and JP Morgan or whatever.
	Oh, they're a building.
	Like, and yeah, like they collude together.
	Yeah, so it's like, you don't necessarily have to believe in conspiracy theories, but lunches between powerful men, that's real.
	That's real.
	That happens.
	Yeah, it does happen.
	They can go and have a round of golf together.
	That's not illegal.
	And they may or may not strike some sort of deal that's off the record essentially.
	Well completely off the record.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you call that a conspiracy theory if you want to.
	But that is how it works very often.
	Okay, so Trump at least attempting to do something with their illegal migration problem.
	Meanwhile.
	Uh-oh.
	Oh no.
	Don't black pillars.
	Don't black pillars.
	Cue the curb your enthusiasm theme on a kazoo.
	No, no.
	No productive.
	Well, Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner meets with Pakistani people to um for no for no good reason right for no good reason um there's no question of us um striking a big deal to deport the millions of Pakistanis in this country that really shouldn't be here there's no question of the one thing you'd actually want to be having a discussion with the deputy prime minister of Pakistan over or even the actual convicted sex criminals
	or paedophiles that are of Pakistani origin that are here.
	There's no talk of that.
	There's no question of her sort of playing hardball with the powers that be in Pakistan over that of striking some sort of deal like that.
	Wouldn't have been mentioned.
	No, no, no.
	Nothing like that.
	So weak.
	Again, it boils down to this thing.
	Does your government work in the interests of the people?
	How expensive was the lunch?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, she's just fawning, fawning over them.
	Like weakness.
	It's pure political weakness.
	isn't it it's like a lack of any backbone whatsoever any moral compass even if you had a if we had a good strong government we'd be berating the pakistani government for refusing to take back some criminals.
	If it were me, I'd be like, you're taking them back.
	Well, we'll start with closing your embassy.
	We'll start there, day one.
	How about that?
	And then we'll see what happens.
	And then who knows what?
	Go all Lenny, the governor, McLean on him.
	We'll see what happens, right?
	So, but no, it's nothing like that.
	It's just, oh, look, can we fall over?
	Yeah.
	That's what it is, isn't it?
	It's a whole shedload of nothing.
	Yeah, I mean, just like, yeah, you can see this tweet.
	if you're watching the video of this uh yeah there's like she's in hoc to them she needs to placate uh the muslim community in her own constituency right her constituency is in manchester the greater manchester area a giant muslim community uh pakistani i believe um so she can't play she can't play hard away or else she'll lose her seat i mean um her majority is just shy of 7,000
	right yeah 6,700 and easily tip half turnout so she could quite easily lose her seat next time if she if she sort of says or does anything that would anger Pakistanis in Manchester which isn't hard in Manchester right so no wonder like this is the optics look do you mind if I do you mind if I just horrible in it it's horrible to see a government which
	is like captured by foreigners completely captured.
	You know, like the whole traitorous Fabian thing.
	She's not worried about.
	Angelina's not worried about our entire government.
	She's not worried about the.
	putting our women and children in danger.
	A bit off topic.
	I keep, this is going to be really bad.
	Maybe I should ask this off air.
	But I keep seeing Fabian around.
	I'm not, I'm not, I don't know what it exactly is.
	Oh, look into it.
	Yeah.
	Look into it.
	Yeah, the Fabian Society.
	Okay.
	I've I keep seeing it, but I haven't had the moment to properly look in.
	Okay, so I'll, I haven't got, I haven't got time here.
	But I'll just say, I'll just say, it's a very deep rabbit hole.
	Okay.
	It's sort of, almost on the sort of Mason's level rabbit hole.
	Okay.
	I'll take a day off.
	And well, the logo is a wolf in sheep's clothing with a red flag.
	That sort of says it all in a nutshell.
	Just the general idea that we can't be out and out communists in some way like RNC.
	We can't really be full-blown card carrying Stalinists or Maoists or lovers of pole pot.
	That won't really work very well.
	But what we can do is join this society and sort of pretend we're a wolf in sheep's clothing.
	And sort of pretend that we're for social democracy.
	Just slowly introducing it into society.
	Keep seeing it.
	Boom.
	Sixty years later, they all control everything.
	Right.
	Okay.
	I'll look into it.
	I keep seeing The March through the Institutions via the Fabian Society.
	Right, okay.
	I'll look into it.
	I've never heard of it before.
	Well, I've never heard of it before.
	And then people started, well, posting the flag.
	And I was like, I don't know what that is, but I keep seeing it.
	And then talking about a lot of Labour MPs or something, or, you know, a lot of Labour guys, I could be wrong.
	Of course, yeah.
	Being part of this particular society.
	And I thought, what is that exactly?
	So I might have to take a day off and take a look.
	Okay.
	Well, I'll teach you all the secret handshakes off the podcast.
	Thank you very much.
	It's just that classic thing of by any means necessary, you know if we have to pretend we're something slightly different than we really are I mean the Labour Party if you go back there are literally members of the Labour Party that would invite someone like Lenin and Trotsky and Stalin over to London right to have a to have a meeting golf or whatever yeah golf right so yeah it's all part of the many pronged attempt for
	Marxists to take control in countries where Marxism on the surface is unpopular.
	Okay.
	Take a look.
	Okay, could go on there, but we'll have to...
	No, not at all.
	If we've brought the Fabium Society to anyone's attention who's never heard of it before, brilliant.
	Maybe we should...
	Maybe I should do a whole segment on it one day.
	History of it.
	Yeah.
	Sounds good.
	May I have a mouse?
	You may, sir.
	Thank you.
	Oh, I don't think I should do Irlander in the middle of that one.
	Oh, it's all right.
	I'll do it doubly.
	All right.
	Double it bigly.
	Bigly.
	Logan Pine, as I live in California, I'm happy to say that people are leaving with their own free will.
	It doesn't show up in the numbers.
	Also, the deportations are meant to be more showy than anything else.
	We've done this in the 50s before.
	before loudly sent over a hundred thousand back and they get the hint um and engaged few says after that meeting someone should have asked her yeah if an i said funny engaged all right then well ladies and gentlemen it's this saturday it is going to be the nottinghill carnival in london again we excited boys just had lunch Don't mention something so sickening.
	Every single year it comes round and it feels like everyone just has to brace for impact.
	And just horrible debacle, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	And positively ghastly, I tell you.
	Yeah.
	Frightful.
	Yeah.
	It's um, between the, um, because every single time, every time it happens, it's stabbings and sexual assaults and murders and just on and on it goes.
	And every year you get the same argument trotted out.
	You know, it's like some people are like, can we please just ban this?
	Can we please just, you know, and they're like, no, that that would be racist to ban Notting Hill Carnival and on and on it goes.
	Um, but if you're interested in something that won't stab you, won't sexually assault you.
	You can buy a Highlander magazine because unlike Notting Hill Carnival, this is proper culture.
	This is sophisticated, intelligent, with wonderful displays, wonderful graphics inside it, and is full of the most sophisticated Western thinkers from the West.
	Talking about Spengler within it.
	There's some great stuff in there, so you can get it for 14.99 on the Lotus Eater shop, and it will be significantly more beneficial to you than a trip to Notting Hill Carnival this weekend.
	Some great writers in there.
	Dave Green, Professor Ed Dutton, Mr. Cole Benjamin, Morgoth.
	Morgoth, you want to read whatever Morgoth's got to say pretty much every time.
	So There's that Luca Johnson in there, I heard as well.
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	He just writes about Lord of the Rings every opportunity you can get.
	He's great.
	Nice.
	Anyway, let's go over to Nottinghill then.
	So this was off the back of last year and I have to say, police feel unsafe working at the carnival.
	What a headline, man.
	Cernival Survey claims says as part of the survey officers who have worked at the event over the last 10 years described it as quote, hell and the war zone.
	Oh my god.
	Yeah.
	So there's a thing that's choking at the beginning just saying that it's frightful.
	But that's not just like hyperbole for the sake of it.
	It has actually become without fail dangerous.
	Like without fail, violent crime occurs.
	Yeah.
	If not actual killings, right?
	So it's not just like, oh, it's something that I find a bit distasteful.
	No, there were two murders last year.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And 60, 70 police officers injured.
	That's massive.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah.
	It's ridiculous.
	It's absolutely ridiculous.
	It never used to be like that.
	No, well, you were saying before we went on...
	I've been a couple of times in my life, yeah, yeah.
	Being a Londoner.
	It's sort of something in the summer back in the day.
	I went, it must have been like 1998 or 1999, something like that, or 2001, something like that.
	I went.
	And it was alright.
	You didn't feel particularly unsafe.
	There was no violent crime that year.
	A few floats went by.
	It was not really my thing, but it was an alright afternoon.
	It was something.
	It was worth going to see.
	But that's not what it's like transformed into something, well, bordering on monstrous, isn't it?
	Again, it's not exaggeration.
	60 cops injured.
	What?
	Well, when what?
	you get the BBC running a headline saying police feel unsafe working at a particular event, a lot of alarm bells there.
	And the fact that they're calling it a war zone, I mean, that's...
	If police officers are calling it a war zone, that's a bit worrying.
	Well, if the police can't hack it, the only other thing to do is one, ban it outright, or two, it's got to be policed by soldiers then.
	Like what else?
	I mean, I know you're not.
	We've got to actually put in an infantry division to protect people on the streets of Nottinghill in the middle of London because there's a carnival.
	Yeah, that's really worrying.
	It's mad.
	It said in a survey of 486 officers, 89% said they did not feel safe.
	And 29% said that they've been assaulted while policing the event.
	Ridiculous numbers.
	Absolutely ridiculous numbers.
	And so it's obviously become something like a meme.
	It's like the right, far right are trying to malign the wonderful Nottinghill Carnival.
	I went there last year and I witnessed absolutely no trouble.
	I captured this joyous scene of a traditional ritual to celebrate the summer.
	It really shows how welcoming and inclusive the carnival actually is.
	I mean, that's quite a photo.
	And for anyone listening to this on audio only, it's an image of a man wielding a machete.
	About to attack someone.
	Yeah, it is allegedly.
	In the middle of trying to slice someone up.
	In the middle of Haiti, I assume.
	No, not in Hill.
	Yeah.
	Which the rest of the year round is actually, or used to be anyway, quite a nice neighbourhood.
	Quite rich, it's not anymore.
	Before my time.
	Yeah.
	And the Sanford police here.
	Last few days to purchase a knife before Notting Hill Carnival at the weekend.
	Better be prepared and have too many than be caught lacking.
	Machetes out, swords are in.
	Obviously said with deep, deep satire.
	That is funny.
	If it wasn't such a serious thing, people may well lose their lives.
	People certainly have to go to hospital for not...
	knife wounds well sorry gone no no well here's just an example from last year man jailed for murder of Sher Maximan in front of daughter at Nottinghill Carnival.
	Barbaric, just genuinely monstrous.
	Another one here.
	And so this year, back in a few months ago, there was some genuine concerns.
	I wish they'd have gone the other way, but about whether or not the carnival will go ahead this year.
	Because as you can see here, well, it is going to go ahead, but it is going to need an extra £1 million of funding for security reasons.
	Is that Sadiq doing that?
	Is that Khan doing that?
	Well, it's the organisers, because you want to...
	That is talk is one of the...
	jurisdiction of City Hall?
	Or some of the people were saying, well, there's too many people there now.
	We can't have it in Notting Hill anymore.
	Move it over to Hyde Park, because this is another thing that they're concerned about, because it's not ticketed.
	They're scared of like a Hillsborough style event where everyone is going to get.
	That's a genuine concern.
	I've been a couple of times.
	The second time I went, it was, yeah, you were packing like it was the terraces.
	It will take you age to go just a few yards down the street because you're pushing through a very, very dense crowd.
	Yeah, there could well be a crushing incident at some point.
	Yeah.
	But it's just interesting to note, you don't need this much security for, let's say, Chinese New Year celebration?
	No.
	Or mayday celebration?
	Well, I remember being out in Lonston.
	What's different about this?
	Yeah, for the king's coronation.
	And we were all just sitting there on the green.
	I've chatted with some police men, actually.
	They didn't seem very stressed.
	They didn't seem like they were, you know, surveying us all the time in case we did something disreputable or rowdy.
	They just sort of, you could tell, they just intuitively knew it was going to be a quiet shift.
	Yeah.
	Looking after all these Englishmen on the green.
	Yeah.
	Funny how that works.
	Were any people stabbed that day?
	I don't I think no.
	There were zero, I believe.
	Yeah, I don't think so.
	Don't think so.
	But all this is coincidentiding with an expansion of, as says here, the government are expanding police use of facial recognition vans, right?
	Which obviously I don't like.
	I don't like the ever encroaching nature of the surveillance state in our lives, but it's remarkable that this has obviously come at a time where, well, why don't we just use facial recognition cameras at the carnival?
	which is what the Met were saying.
	Well, it'll just make our job a lot easier, the 7,000 of us to police the event, and there's going to be hundreds of thousands of people there this weekend so um facial recognition we need every chance we can get boys so they say but um it goes on to say that um uh the met commissioner should scrap plans to deploy live facial recognition because the technology is riven with racial bias.
	Oh right.
	Yeah.
	And subject to a legal challenge, 11 civil liberty and anti-racist groups have demanded.
	And so they've written a letter to Sir Mark Rowley basically saying, look, you can't expect facial recognition to be used at this place where it's like what do you think we all are criminals you think we're wrong-ans you think we're going to be up to no good um something that might need to be said for people that are watching this that aren't from the great britain because a lot of our audience isn't this carnival is largely for black people it's part of it celebrates their caribbean the caribbean
	It celebrates their heritage and various things.
	So that's the elephant in the room, which we haven't explicitly said.
	But that is the case.
	It is part of their culture.
	Right.
	So Classic is saying, you know, use CCTV.
	London's one of the most heavily CCTV places in the whole world.
	And facial recognition.
	But not for black or brown people.
	That would be racist.
	What a crazy double standard.
	insane yeah or yeah or just don't uh just don't uh year upon year engage in sort of crazy levels of violence where people lose their lives and tens or dozens of police officers are assaulted Maybe if that weren't the case.
	Right.
	But it is.
	But it is.
	You can feel how hard up against it the meta was this.
	I mean, we're not really supposed to notice any of these patterns, are we?
	Oh, no, no, very frowned upon.
	Very frowned upon.
	Any patterns, really.
	And so the police are having to take every precaution they can get, such as banning dancing for their actual police.
	Banning dancing.
	Yeah, well, you know, it goes on, say, in a statement on Monday, the Metropolitan Police made it clear they feel a twerk or rhythmic shake of the hips may distract or slow down the seven thousand officers deployed to the carnival from responding to outbreaks of crime.
	Just like, it's just utter madness.
	Like, all this is just mania.
	Total mania.
	Go to a carnival with music.
	Don't dance.
	No, no, no, you can't do that because it would distract us, the police that are supposed to be there to protect you from disorder.
	No, no, don't dance though.
	What?
	Have you got a license for those steel drums?
	the meme again, man.
	I'm just...
	Why is Britain...
	Honestly, it really upsets me almost.
	Because we've turned into such a meme.
	And no wonder the Yankees across the pond are taking the mick out of us for it.
	And I get it.
	I'd do the same.
	Vice versa.
	And it's now...
	Hmm.
	You must have seen clips though where there's like a cop standing there and some woman's twerking up against him.
	I have seen that.
	Right.
	And he just got to sort of stand there.
	He can't really do or say anything because he'd probably get fired if he did.
	Yeah.
	So he just got to accept it.
	But I just, but the thing is, obviously I'm against the facial recognition thing in principle for all of it because, you know, you that would just lead on to something else, way, way more sinister.
	Tony Blair is sitting there waiting to implement it nationwide.
	any excuse to use it is not good um but banning dancing yeah i've not heard that one at a carnival at a carnival well obviously this is banning the dancing for the police of course the police aren't allowed to to do a jig and look like they're having a good time which oh so is it the police yeah it's the police oh that's what i'm saying sorry i slightly misunderstood i misunderstood i'm sorry oh there's me going on a massive rant the police still you see
	clips of that of a policeman or police woman doing a bit of twerking and it is like an embarrassment you see the police on pride parade embarrassed like actually getting involved with yeah well but this is really the thing that i i wanted to hark on about this is the fact that so the banning the uh the police from you know like if the music's on don't don't tap your foot don't don't have a bit of a jig i know i know you're supposed to like look like you're enjoying yourself at a carnival right but obviously the well we have to we have to
	look professional we have to look like we're seriously policing all of this but it is genuinely just no you can't do it because if a picture comes out of a policeman going And there's a murder, right.
	Then that's a reasoning.
	Optically enough.
	And again, this is what I'm saying.
	Well, you wouldn't expect the police to not have to dance anywhere else at chinese new year as you say because they could get away with it and you you just trust the public are all going to be well behaved but in these circumstances with this demographic of people turning up to the canva no you are focused you are laser focused in all places and all times for two days straight don't you dare nod your head in time with the reggae because
	trouble could strike at any second.
	Right, Miss.
	And so you can just, I really, you know, pity.
	I know we're back in the game, but I really pity them.
	I wouldn't want to I wouldn't be a policeman for love no money these days.
	No, no, absolutely not.
	But in a stunning turn of events, the Metropolitan Police turned around and said, no, we are going to use the facial recognition system.
	So even though all those charities and pressure groups were anti-racist activists, we're trying to make it the light, well, where we know live facial recognition can help locate individuals that pose a safety risk to the many seeking to enjoy Carnival, it's entirely reasonable to ask, why shouldn't we use it?
	And obviously, there is another aspect to this as well.
	Again, as I say., I don't want a surveillance state, right?
	And for an English population, you don't really need one.
	But within this framework, I think that if you have the facial recognition system, one, that's going to ward away a lot of the worst people from Nottinghill Carnival, who are maybe already on databases for particular crimes, right?
	it might indirectly make things a little bit safer.
	So I'll be interested to see...
	I completely agree with you and with what you said, Lewis.
	I find facial recognition science horrible.
	Yeah, it's really sort of a big brother, slippery slope, really sinister thing.
	But it does exist.
	We live in a reality where it exists now.
	And Nottinghill is a very small place, really, in the scheme of things.
	A small little bit of London.
	It's only a few streets, really.
	And you know violent crime is going to happen there in this small window of time.
	You know that there will be violent crime there.
	So it's sort of hard to argue with him.
	Why wouldn't we use it then?
	Yeah, the problem is, here's my counter to that.
	The problem is, if they see that it works and that it does deter, what stops them from applying it to all other events?
	Yeah.
	And then it's like you're getting your face scanned when you're walking into a Reading festival and all this stuff, and you're like, I just want to enjoy some music, man.
	It already happens.
	When you go through London, if you travel across London, you're on CCTV like sixty times a time.
	Yeah, I get the argument.
	Yeah.
	And the facial recognition software is just one extra layer, a much more sinister layer, but it's one more layer on top of the.
	I just don't, I don't, I don't know the ins and outs of where the data goes.
	Who does it apply to?
	Who does it get sold to?
	Maybe it's another investigation I need to look into, but I just don't know where it goes.
	How is it stored?
	What are the intrinsic ins and outs of facial recognition?
	So I have to say, really against.
	Yeah, no, me too.
	In principle, absolutely.
	Yeah.
	For all, for me, anyway.
	That's my view anyway.
	No, I'm against it too, but for the sakes of this little experiment, we'll see how it plays out this weekend at Nottinghill Carnival.
	All right, I'll read the I guess we finish the segment..
	One last thing I'll just add to that.
	Because he's a sleeper sleeper and then the next thing it will be is we caught you jowalking.
	Yes, and then you're done.
	And now we're going to like China, we'll tax you more because of that.
	Or we'll just take money out of your account for that.
	Oh, hang on.
	This is his Twitter feed, you know?
	Yeah, right.
	While he's looking through.
	Oh, hang on.
	Posed Twitter feed, mass deportations.
	Oh, we can't have that.
	Well, he tweets that a lot, doesn't he?
	Yeah, we do.
	Yeah, he does.
	He's a broken record, actually.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	And I know it sounds silly.
	It sounds so novel.
	It's, it's so fictional, almost.
	It's laughable, but this is like you said, this is the world we live in now and it's only going to expand.
	It doesn't retract unless you put something in place to stop it strictly from expanding.
	And that's why because I know I can predict.
	I'm going to predict what's going to happen.
	It's going to be fine.
	I think they're going to implement this.
	It's going to do its job and it's going to do it efficiently.
	And then after that, we're going, well, look at Nottinghill Carnival.
	It was like very, very high in crime.
	It was this, it was that.
	If it can fix Nottinghill Carnival.
	that can fix anything.
	We're gonna now we need it for the far right protests and the riots and you know all of this.
	It's a playbook.
	It's an experiment that this is going to be used and then applied to forever.
	You know, Blair wants to adopt it for the border.
	He wants to adopt it for the border and we all went, no, we don't need to do something like that.
	You just deport them, right?
	It's such encroachment.
	So I can't for the life of me agree with it., agree with the Met.
	As much as there are exceptional circumstances, I don't I have such a big cynical mind when it comes to the state.
	I just cannot give an inch to them.
	Even when it seems warranted.
	So I'm like, nope, not for me.
	Well, we talk about 1984, don't we?
	But in that, there's the viddy screens.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Which are watching you.
	Winston had to hide in a corner to write his notes.
	And it was just lucky there was an alcove.
	Yeah.
	People haven't even got an alcove.
	Oh, right.
	People got to get alcoves.
	The thing is, Edward Snowden told us that everyone's camera in their laptop or your camera in your own phone, if they want to...
	If they want to.
	The NSA or GCHQ can just look at you through your own cameras.
	Yep.
	So that is the viddy screen from 1984.
	Yep.
	That's in your own home, in your own hand.
	In your own pocket.
	All the time.
	Yeah.
	So for me, it's like, okay, this is only going to get worse if, you know, oh, man.
	We're already there.
	Yeah, we are.
	And it's going to get worse.
	So yeah, I can't be fought.
	be for it i'll uh i'll just ramble through this i'm sorry sorry bro uh logan 17 pine says in bows britain this carnival would be a day to celebrate the dear leader and his ending of the years of madness.
	Connor's smug mug says, a carnival cooked up by a racial communist is mostly peaceful and full of urban incidents.
	Who could have known, indeed?
	Nottinghill Carnival is a literal health and safety risk.
	Crowd crushes have happened.
	Luckily, no one has died, but it's a Hillsborough disaster waiting to happen.
	There are two million in last year's one.
	Last year's carnival.
	Hadtification says the people literally., yeah, they literally urinate and defecate in the streets.
	Yeah, so I've seen the videos of that.
	It's unfortunately.
	I decided not to put them in the segment for obvious reasons though.
	And the whole thing is ever so slightly feral.
	Yeah.
	Well said.
	Over to video comments.
	Dry humping all over the place.
	Madness.
	Yeah?
	The parked car crashed onto you.
	Yeah, but the car is parked.
	You hit so you hit my car Oh Insurer's the car's parked Oh no Is that real?
	It feels a little bit feels a little bit unreal but still Yeah, point that you can't tell just show how I do love the fact with dashcams like I've caught you can find YouTube videos almost like a compilation of people just launching themselves at cars and then they notice oh that dude's got a dashcam and then they get about it Oh no yeah don't right and then just walk off.
	Scammers.
	I do think scammers are gross, obviously.
	But like really, really gross.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But that person, if that's real, if that's real, those people that attempt to do something like that, it would be a custodial sentence in Bose Britain.
	Yeah, yeah, I agree.
	Or they can take, or they can take the piliary.
	It's up to them.
	The stocks.
	My bike, my bike hit the stocks.
	You're in.
	Skibbity.
	Skibbity.
	A skibbity scampton.
	Gone, Samson.
	Here we are in beautiful Lake George, New York.
	My wife and I are up here to see a Beatles tribute band.
	Thank you.
	Very good.
	Hope you enjoy it.
	Looks very scenic.
	Nice.
	Where is that again?
	He said upstate New York, did he say?
	Yeah, Lake George, I think he said.
	Oh, very nice.
	It always reminds me of in The Big Lebowski when...
	He's in the cab and the cab driver's playing the Eagles.
	And he's like, can you turn this off?
	I hate the Eagles.
	And the cab driver just screeches to a halt and pulls him out of the cab.
	I'm not giving you a ride if you don't love the Eagles.
	That's funny.
	All right, is that all the video comments, Samson?
	Wonderful, thank you.
	So from your segment, Louis, you've got Justin B. saying, what I fear the next steps for housing scroungers, now that the hotels are starting to close is that they will put more into new builds and when they run out uh you've got a spare room you must take three lineka can go first there are rules about um billeting soldiers on people You can't do it.
	Going back centuries.
	God.
	both he and Andy and I said, yeah, if it's a foreign combatant, which is what I see these people are, Yeah, an enemy soldier.
	Yeah.
	We'll get that in with the solicitors then.
	Do you want me to read out the?
	Oh, sure.
	Yeah.
	Oh, if you've got them on screen, sure.
	Jason Kay says, I sense when the government get wind of the legal loophole where these hotels can be closed, they'll try to close it quick smart in the way that Cooper tried to yesterday at breakneck speed.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what that reference is.
	So I'd like to see affected councils make hay while the sun shines.
	Yeah, well, that's another thing, isn't it?
	You know, that well, every media outlet knows now.
	Every councillor is aware that there is a way.
	So it's likely that, you know, the pro-multicultural councils, the pro-diversity, the pro-mass migration councils will look to patch that up.
	Oh, yeah, no, plan and permission.
	Yeah, we've sorted that.
	Don't worry.
	Well, what date was that?
	Only yesterday.
	Convenient.
	Well, if the reform councillors, you know, were reform or the head of these councils, if they can just flat out refuse, which the councillors at least seem inclined to do.
	And if you've got Rupert just saying, no, we're just not having any illegals in Great Yarmouth, right?
	Well, you've set the example.
	Where are the other MPs now saying that they're not taking them either?
	Yeah, I know.
	Right?
	I wonder how many other MPs will sign Rupert Lowe's letter in solidarity with him.
	Very few, I would have thought.
	Very few.
	Because they're all moral cowards.
	The other thing we didn't mention, actually, in your segment, which is important, I think, well, it's very important, is that Parliament is sovereign.
	Yeah.
	hold all the cards so if they wanted to oh they'll enact stop no questions asked.
	They can do that.
	Yeah.
	If they really want to, they can just do that.
	All we need to do is fill up Parliament with people who do want to do that.
	No pressure.
	Derek Power, Master of Chippy, says the Bell Hotel has now been claimed by the English Patriots and renamed the Bow Hotel.
	Love.
	Out time.
	Out time.
	It will be my head of operations when the time comes.
	And someone online says, Skippity Bo was not on my bingo card.
	It wasn't on mine either.
	So.
	I'm getting into like actual.
	I thought you misspoke.
	I genuinely thought you misspoke.
	That's why I was laughing, like, roughly laughing.
	I thought you were like, What's this skibity?
	Skibity be bob.
	From Scatman Bo.
	From your segment.
	segment um scatman bow uh um um marowad says the thin edge of the wedge uh took decades to implement the immigration industrial complex is a titanic behemoth and has uh just as much momentum rather than looking at raw numbers it's more important to shift momentum and the rest takes care of itself it's not wrong is he i mean Yeah, it's an entire industry.
	It's not wrong there.
	Lord Inquisitor Hector X says, I've been told these illegals are doctors and lawyers, so sending them to.
	African countries should improve them.
	Trump is making a very humble sacrifice of their big throbbing brains to help the Africans improve.
	All those engineers and surgeons and chemists, rocket scientists are now going to make Rwanda the leading power not just on the continent but the world.
	Reverse brain drain.
	They'll become the leaders in research and development.
	Someone online says, I do like the annoying illegal alien influencer who got deported and didn't speak a lick of English.
	I'm not sure which specific one he's referring to.
	I can imagine it applies to a lot of them.
	Someone online.
	And Charles Ellington says, Bo, are you for...
	Yes.
	It was basically...
	I'll carry on.
	All right.
	The police versus twerking, my segment.
	Got Baron von Warhawk says, if the police feel really scared.
	for the Nottinghill carnival, they could stop it.
	If all the cops collectively agreed that they would not allow the carnival to take place, then the politicians would have to shut it down.
	But then again, the cops won't because they are the state's lapdogs and will gladly offer themselves to a Nottingham.
	Don't feel sorry for them.
	They did this to themselves.
	I disagree with the average individual police officer on the ground, right?
	I've seen more than enough cops in London who work for the Met who are, you can tell they feel just as trapped by the system as anyone else.
	I mean, remember that video that we had of that policeman in Warwickshire knocking on that guy's door saying what a farce it is, right?
	Would we rather have that guy as part of the police service or would we rather have him not?
	I assume, like, obviously...
	That's usually one of the main reasons.
	That's not to say that, you know, that's above board and, you know, the thing that happens to every single officer, but you've got to take it now.
	You've got to take it case by case.
	And it is always usually the managers and it's usually the people above them.
	And, you know, then people say, well, following orders.
	And it's like, yeah.
	But is there a bar?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, there is a bar.
	Yeah, the average 24-year-old cop.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I feel sorry for him.
	They're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
	They're not responsible for immigration policy since the Second World War.
	No.
	Right?
	It's a difficult thing because, yeah, the police do act as the strong arm of an evil state.
	Okay.
	But I absolutely don't buy out all cops are bastards.
	Absolutely not.
	Absolutely not.
	Loads of them, in fact I would wager probably the majority of them, are trying to do good in the world, right?
	Yeah, you might find yourself end up on, like, doing something that you find morally wrong as a policeman.
	You don't like the fact that you're forced to pen in a bunch of people that are just...
	Yeah, well, that's the price you pay for joining the police.
	That doesn't mean all cops are bastards.
	Without the police, we would have no rule of law.
	It would be true anarchy.
	If you want that, go and live in Haiti if that's what you want.
	If you don't like the police ever under any circumstances.
	Cha's Autonomous Zone.
	It would be terrible to live in a world where there was no police.
	It would be terrible.
	You wouldn't like it.
	Do they act as the authoritarian arm of an evil state though sometimes?
	Yeah.
	So it's a complicated thing.
	Indeed.
	Well, I hope that you enjoy the podcast today, ladies and gentlemen.
	That's all we've got time for today.
	You can join us again at 1pm tomorrow.

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