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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Tuesday, July the 8th, 2025.
	I'm your host Luca, joined today by Dan and Bo.
	And today we're going to be talking all about Trump's nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.
	Oh, very good.
	He's been after it a long time, hasn't he?
	And this might be his year.
	Might be his year.
	Then Bo's going to talk all about Jeffrey Epstein's ghost and how it seems to be haunting a lot of people right about now.
	And then Dan's going to tell us all about some of the most unfortunate names.
	Very unfortunate names.
	Yeah.
	In all of history, in all of mankind.
	Well, last couple of centuries anyway, I'd dig back further.
	Ancient Sumerian joke names.
	Yes, that probably wouldn't work as well, but I've got some good ones.
	So it's like an and finally segment of lightheartedness.
	Yeah.
	Actual lightheartedness.
	Yeah, for once.
	It's pure swap.
	No one should watch it.
	Parental advisory now.
	No, I'm looking forward to a bit of lightheartedness.
	Yeah, I am.
	Genuinely, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	All right, then, let's begin.
	So obviously, as we all know, every single year there's a Nobel Peace Prize, and invariably someone usually undeserving of it ends up getting it, right?
	And this is a prize that the Donald has wanted for a very, very long time now.
	We might remember that he was nominated for it back during his first term as president around his work for the Abraham Accords.
	I mean, that is a stronger claim than most people who win it.
	A much stronger claim.
	Yes, yes.
	And we'll come to...
	Obama won it.
	Not only did it within three weeks of coming into office without really doing anything else.
	Although that was something actually very interesting to see, that Obama won it as President of the United States.
	But you have to go back quite a long way to find another president of the United States who won it.
	Jimmy Carter got it after his presidency, won it around the early 2000s for his international work in diplomacy and peacekeeping.
	But generally speaking, yeah, it's not something that a lot of presidents have actually won.
	But as I say, it's something that Trump really seems to covet.
	This is something he really wants to be remembered for as a Nobel Peace Prize winner.
	That and being Pope.
	It would be good if he could get Pope after this, wouldn't it?
	As long as he's Catholic, he's eligible.
	You don't have to be a cardinal or anything.
	Is he Catholic?
	I don't know.
	So Trump on this occasion has been nominated by Israel.
	Oh, that's recently.
	Yes, this is all very new.
	Israel has put Trump forward for the Nobel Peace Prize.
	He said, esteemed members of the Nobel Committee, I wish to submit the nomination of the Honourable Donald J. Trump, 45th and 47th President of the United States of America for the Nobel Peace Prize.
	President Trump has demonstrated steadfast and exceptional dedication to promoting peace, security and stability around the world.
	In the Middle East, his efforts have brought about dramatic change and created new opportunities to expand the circle of peace and normalization.
	Foremost among the achievements was his role in the Abraham Accords, as we talked about from his previous term, and these groundbreaking agreements have established formal diplomatic relations between Israel and several Arab nations.
	And really, that's their whole thing, right?
	Well, Trump has done a lot for Israel.
	And can I ask a question though?
	You look skeptical, but when it comes to matters of peace, does the word of Benjamin Netanyahu carry a lot of weight?
	To some nations, perhaps not.
	Perhaps not.
	The master of peace extraordinaire, Benjamin Netanyahu.
	The man who almost tried to just drag America into full-scale war with Iran recently, that Netanyahu.
	Well, I'm thinking more sort of generally, who's that drill instructor in Starship Troopers?
	Once you disable a man's hand, he cannot fight.
	That kind of thing.
	It's like once you ethnically cleanse your opponents, they cannot fight back.
	I mean, it's a kind of peace.
	I mean, it's a roundabout way of getting to peace.
	Yes.
	Like the Romans create a desert and call it peace.
	I mean, it sort of works.
	Yeah, well.
	In a way.
	A very Roman peace.
	So here is, this was just as you can see, taken this morning of Netanyahu giving from this nomination.
	The president has already realized great opportunities.
	He forged the Iran Accords.
	He's forging peace as we speak in one country and one region after the other.
	So I want to present to you...
	Mr. President, the letter I sent to the Nobel Prize Committee.
	It's nominating you for the Peace Prize, which is well deserved.
	And you should get it.
	Thank you very much.
	This I didn't know.
	Wow.
	Thank you very much.
	Coming from you in particular, this is very meaningful.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	Wow.
	Trump said what I said, but in a much more subtle way.
	Net is looking a bit pasty there.
	And that's coming from the Milky Bar Kid.
	There's few people more pasty than me, but he looks like he's wearing slightly blue.
	He's whatted up with makeup.
	Maybe he's half Scottish.
	Anyway.
	Just missing the ginge.
	Well, maybe that's why he shaves his head.
	Maybe, yeah.
	Netting your host secretly...
	Secret ginge.
	Netanyahu.
	But also in this very same meeting, Trump also calls...
	And Trump says, well, we actually have the greatest man in the world sitting here right now.
	So why don't you ask Netanyahu?
	Which I also thought was just something worth saying as well, mentioning about this meeting.
	So obviously with this, because there was a lot of talk recently, wasn't there?
	Especially in those few weeks back during the escalations of the 12-day war, as we've been told to call it.
	Is that what we're going to call it?
	I know you said that, but is it passing into parlance now?
	I don't know.
	I don't know, but just it was the quickest way for you to know what I meant was the fact that, of course, there seemed to actually be a bit of contention between Trump and Netanyahu.
	And so, of course, this is a very, very good way to a diplomatic move to appeal to Trump's ego and appeal to something that he's long wanted.
	You know, I'm not saying they're quite comparable, but it somewhat reminds me to when Keostana went over to the United States and to the White House and he said, oh, and by the way, if you'd like, you know, a full state dinner with the king, then, you know, it's just appealing to things that Trump as a person, not as a politician, but as a human being, things that he privately wants.
	It seems to be a way to work around Trump quite well.
	I wonder if when Starmer goes to meet Macron, he brings up Ukrainian male models.
	I don't know.
	I mean, if he's good at pitching the offer to the man.
	Yes.
	So let's talk about some of the other, beyond the Israel question, let's talk about some of the other reasons why Trump may or may not be a good candidate for the greatest man of peace in our time.
	Because it seems that he has Pakistan's nomination in this as well.
	So it said the Pakistanis were saying that President Trump demonstrated great strategic foresight and stellar statesmanship through robust diplomatic engagement with both Islamabad and New Delhi, which de-escalated a rapidly deteriorating situation.
	This intervention stands as a testament to his role as a genuine peacemaker.
	And a little bit odd coming from Pakistan.
	Again, I'm not saying anything they said there is necessarily completely wrong or fabricated out of whole cloth or anything, but just odd, a little bit odd.
	If that sort of statement came from India, it would make more sense.
	But obviously, I'm not party to the telephone calls he had with Islamabad, but it's interesting.
	It's interesting.
	Yeah, it's peculiar, isn't it?
	But Mushaheed Hussain, a former chair of the Senate Defence Committee in Pakistan, he actually had this to say.
	He said, Trump is good for Pakistan.
	If this panders to Trump's ego, so be it.
	And he said, all the European leaders have been sucking up to him big time.
	So the fact of the matter is, despite how much we talk about America's insane debt, we talk about how woke and weak the US military is, the reality is they're a giant economy and they're the power, militarily speaking, in the world.
	Yes.
	They dominate in terms of sort of space.
	We'll back on that a little bit, but they've got their own military space force, haven't they?
	No one else has really got that.
	They've got all sorts of capabilities no one else has got.
	Despite their as long as they don't do their sort of annual regime change, they should kind of get the priest prize by default because they're expected to do this much military.
	And if they just do that much, peace prize.
	No, I mean, I think the whole Nobel Prize, all the Nobel Prizes are completely compromised on a type of nonsense.
	I think all the ward ceremonies are kind of disgusting.
	Sorry, have I preached?
	No, no, not at all.
	I was just going to say I'm going to back you up on that later.
	Then you get like 3 million quid or something for it.
	I think you get a million.
	I think you get a million.
	Right.
	Pocket change for the Donald.
	Right, yeah.
	The Donald doesn't really need that money.
	No.
	A lot of people in science or literature, it probably means the world to them, but it's completely captured, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	But I'll let you.
	No, no, not at all.
	But obviously, there is another war on that Trump promised to bring peace to, which was, of course, Ukraine.
	Within a day.
	Within a day.
	24 hours.
	Yes.
	And we're in July now, so that's half a year.
	Yes.
	I'm not saying there's a dramatic amount of difference between a day and six months.
	To be fair, he did try, but it's just like the Europeans and Voldemort Zensky were like, no, we will fight to the last Ukrainian and then I will leave with my billions.
	So I can't really blame him for that one.
	But there's another thing for him to, it's another thing for him to back out and say, well, Europe are obviously determined to have this war.
	It's another to say, okay, and actually we're going to start sending more weapons as well.
	Right.
	I think he's actually stopped a lot of the missile systems now.
	Yeah, he talks about in this really it just being for the case of defence.
	He's slightly over-promised, but I think he's...
	I'll give him that.
	Yeah.
	It's not really his fault that both Zelensky and Putin are dug in politically.
	Yeah.
	I mean, Putin's the guy I would give the prize to.
	Yeah, because I regard COVID as a war of governments on their people.
	And Putin stopped it.
	So it's a slightly roundabout choice.
	But I would give it to him.
	Serious?
	No, no, no.
	That's why I'm serious.
	Because it's a good take.
	It's a good take.
	But just before we all get ahead of ourselves, no, Trump hasn't threatened to bomb Norway if he doesn't get the Nobel Peace Prize.
	Even though that would be quite funny.
	I just found it hilarious that this article even existed, to be honest with you.
	But now let's just talk about the fact of just, let's really get into the personal stuff here of how much Trump really wants this.
	Because he tweeted on his True Social the other week, says, I'm very happy to report that I've arranged, along with the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, a wonderful treaty between the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Republic of Rwanda.
	And I'll just carry on down.
	He says, this is a great day for Africa and quite frankly, a great day for the world.
	I won't get a Nobel Peace Prize for this.
	I won't get a Nobel Peace Prize for stopping the war between India and Pakistan.
	I won't get a Nobel Peace Prize for stopping the war between Serbia and Kosovo.
	I won't get a Nobel Peace Prize for keeping peace between Egypt and Ethiopia.
	And then on and on.
	So you can tell just how much this really means to him.
	It's kind of irrational.
	He's got a good case?
	I mean, I'll give him that.
	Oh, no, I'm not saying he doesn't warrant the reputation of a peacemaker, but I think that there's a really interesting aspect to Trump here that perhaps feel free to disagree, but I think it's somewhat intertwined with his nature as a boomer.
	He wants the approval of the institutions, right?
	The old institutions.
	I was just going to say that.
	Yeah.
	That it's hard-baked into boomers.
	I don't want to just pick on boomers.
	It's a lot of people, but the older generation that there's no higher accolade than the Nobel Prize.
	There's nothing better than that.
	I mean, I look at it now and I'll take their money, but I don't want to go to their silly little dinner.
	I don't recognize their authority as some sort of final arbiter of what is or isn't good.
	It's the amount of prizes they've given out to douchebags and idiots and wrongens.
	Oh, yes.
	But still, Trump is a boomer.
	And I don't mean that completely pejoratively.
	No.
	He just is.
	So he was raised his whole life.
	There's nothing higher than getting a Nobel Prize, Peace Prize, certainly.
	Definitely.
	I think of it, you know, from a British perspective, for me, it would be a bit like receiving a letter or invitation saying, oh, Luca Johnson, you've been nominated for a knighthood.
	Will you come to the palace and, you know, get the tap with the sword?
	It's like, well, one time a day, yeah, probably.
	A knighthood would have been a great honour.
	But if you're getting knighted alongside people like Sadiq Khan or Tony Blair, then what is it worth?
	Is it really an accolade anymore?
	It's been hollowed out, you know, and given to men of such dishonour that all of a sudden is a knighthood really?
	I still take it, but I take your point.
	It's been devalued.
	It has, yeah.
	And that's exactly the point with the Nobel Peace Prize as well.
	if I was offered the order of the garter when I was 25, I'd be over the moon.
	But now I'm like, oh, I've got a, And get knighted by Prince Charles.
	Right.
	Sorry, King Charles.
	Yeah.
	Like you want his approval about anything.
	Yeah.
	So one thing, look, I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on every single Nobel Peace Prize winner over the last century.
	But one thing that I do notice about it from just scrolling is in its beginnings, just how, let's just say Western the prize was, right?
	It's all given.
	Teddy Roosevelt was on there.
	Yes, he was.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he was one of the few presidents.
	Him, Wilson, for his role as founder of the League of Nations.
	Which the Americans then didn't.
	They didn't join, did they?
	Oh, I wouldn't be the one to join.
	He dreamt it up.
	Right.
	Then, like, the Congress, I think, said, no.
	But you can tell by the time that you...
	All Quakers.
	Yeah, all the Quakers.
	Well done, all Quakers for that one.
	Jolly good show.
	But you can tell as you start getting on, okay, so Martin Luther King.
	You scroll back up a little bit, we'll say George Marshall.
	A little bit more.
	Keep going.
	Yep.
	Yeah, George Marshall.
	Okay.
	For proposing and supervising the plan for the economic recovery of Europe.
	Let's ignore the firebombing of 60 Japanese cities off the map.
	Yes.
	Through peace.
	Oh, right, yeah.
	Through peace.
	Strength through peace.
	If you eliminate your enemy, you have peace.
	Mostly peaceful firebombing.
	I don't mean to be a douchebag about George Marshall there, just for any Americans that might get annoyed with me.
	I don't, I didn't, I didn't really mean that as a, Kissinger?
	Right, yeah, yeah.
	Well, Kissinger was one of the ones I was going to bring.
	I've chose a few names on here that particularly stood out to me.
	And so if Kissinger is the shadowy hand behind every assassination, intervention, covert war, black ops program from the Second World War onwards, and they gave him a Nobel Prize.
	Mostly peaceful destabilizations.
	Mostly peaceful.
	Mostly peaceful carpet bombing of Cambodia, who weren't involved.
	Okay.
	But one thing, again, just the image around Mother Teresa, entirely unworthy of being a woman for peace, like a genuinely vile woman.
	But one of the other things I just want to talk about is that, of course, you've got people like Nelson Mandela, you've got the United Nations, Al Gore for his climate change activism, Barack Obama, as you mentioned at the start of the segment, Dan, right?
	After basically no time in office whatsoever.
	And the one that had me absolutely, you know, absolutely creasing was at one point, where was it?
	I should have written down the date.
	Yeah.
	2012.
	The European Union as an institution received a Nobel Peace Prize.
	Weird.
	Weird.
	Yes.
	Was it for over 60 decades countries in France Winter Peace?
	Just the most general thing?
	That was a slow year, I guess.
	Seriously, I guess it was just a slow year.
	If anything, the country of Britain should have got it in 2012 for just how phenomenal our Olympic Games were.
	I think that did more for world peace than the EU did back in 2012.
	But another thing, as I pointed out earlier as well, you can see by this time how it's becoming, it's not Western anymore.
	It's Liberia, it's Yemen, it's India, Pakistan, Tunisia, Karl.
	Kalala.
	Yeah.
	Youngest Nobel Prize winner.
	So it's just completely and utterly captured.
	Completely.
	Which all comes back to my point.
	Why does Trump feel that this is such a venerable award when these are the names that he's going to be put next to?
	And I think that there's a broader discussion.
	We can have a discussion about whether or not we think that Trump is genuinely worthy of it, where we feel like he's, you know, whether he has really earned it.
	But then it's another thing entirely to say, is it even worth earning?
	Can you not simply be happy with your own achievements?
	Why do you need this pat of approval from all these elites that you've claimed to oppose for, you know, for all these decades now, ever since you spawned the MAGA movement?
	And there's also another thing here, of course, which is just that all of the it's obvious that the Global Peace Prize is entirely ideologically driven by such things as all of the left-wing fashions that we've just been entrenched by, you know, for decades and decades now.
	Human rights activists, feminism, climate change.
	It's like, Trump, aren't you supposed to be against most of the people?
	I think it's a lot of what Bose said.
	There's a certain generation in the West that seeks approval from their enemies.
	You've just got to stop doing it.
	Yeah.
	Because to answer those questions, one, does he deserve it?
	And two, why would he even want it?
	I mean, yes, to answer the second one, because of that.
	Because even if someone like Malala has won it, he's still thinking about someone like Nelson Mandela or something, who's probably...
	So I guess that.
	But the question of whether he deserves it, I mean, it's a fair question.
	For no other reason that if you get to sit at the top of a giant, the world's biggest, history's ever biggest war machine, which is chomping at the bit to be used at all times, and you barely use it, use it extremely sparingly, that's remarkable.
	That really is remarkable.
	That's having power, the power.
	The power to not use your power.
	I'm reading a history of the Assyrian Empire, and I can't remember which one, but there's some king that only completely guts and sacks and puts everyone up on spikes of about three cities.
	So he is held out as like this paragon of peace for the Assyrian kings because he only demolished three cities.
	It's like, he's that kind of energy, isn't it?
	Nobel Peace Prize man, right there.
	Yes, yeah.
	Ashabannipo, is it?
	Yeah, that was one, yeah.
	Yeah, it's remarkable because most presidents, even it seems that are sort of fairly peaceful-minded, sort of can't stop the machine.
	You look at Obama, for example.
	He's not, for all his faults, he's not exactly a warmonger, it seemed, but he still let it be used, put it that way, he let it be used all over the place.
	So for Trump to, the amount of restraint Trump has shown is absolutely irreconcilable.
	I'm not sure if even I could do it.
	You remember in his first term, there was the Seattle Chad Chas thing.
	Oh, of course.
	I would have stomped those guys in the first week.
	Yeah.
	I would have sent in, I would have, The Warthog ones with the others.
	Yes.
	I don't know about actually strafing them with 30mm cannon.
	Probably would have just sent in load and loads of police to just move them out.
	But he didn't, didn't he?
	And actually, in hindsight, it was the right move.
	Politically, it was absolutely the right move.
	It provided great content from us.
	Remarkable constraint.
	Restraint.
	Yeah.
	But fortunately, you know, I think there's a nugget of wisdom in here somewhere for Trump, which is that, well, you know, whether he wins this or not, whether he stands on that podium in December and shakes his award like he's always wanted to, you know, fulfilling little Donald's dreams.
	You know, he is the president, and if he cares about legacy and renown and being remembered, well, what better way to do it than in the most American way possible of having a bill drafted to have Trump put on Mount Rushmore?
	Oh, yes.
	That.
	Oh, that.
	Right?
	Yes.
	So as you can see.
	Are they going to rework Jefferson or are we going to have a fifth face?
	Oh, there's a space, isn't there?
	Is there?
	Yeah, there's a space, yeah.
	Okay.
	Well the good job that shows that cliff then, isn't it?
	One with a bit of extra space on it.
	Yeah.
	I do find it really funny, actually, how Roosevelt, when he commissioned Mount Rushmore, was just like, well, and seeing as it was my idea, I might as well go on there too.
	You know, even though he was...
	It's Jefferson, Washington.
	Is it Lincoln?
	Lincoln and Roosevelt.
	And Teddy Roosevelt.
	Oh, Teddy is a little bit out of place, isn't he?
	Right.
	And again, that's casting aspersions at Teddy Roosevelt.
	I'm a bit of a fan.
	We need Trump on there.
	You think so?
	Donald.
	Yes.
	Yeah, get him on.
	Ronald Reagan up there?
	No, there was a movement for him, but never got far enough.
	Well, Trump needs to get moving quickly before the midterms come around, and he can't pass this through Congress, I think.
	But yeah, I think that's the really American way.
	That's funny, but I imagine it's some sort of World Heritage site.
	I imagine you can't do it.
	Well, actually, if Congress decree, they can do whatever they want.
	That's what the last spot is for.
	I mean, it was always set up.
	Oh, was it?
	It was waiting for, yeah.
	Oh, I didn't know that.
	Oh, well, fair enough.
	I didn't know that.
	Why not?
	You better.
	The Donald.
	You know, some pinko will blow it up or deface it in some way.
	You'd probably lose about the first dozen pinkos as what they're trying to scale down to it.
	I don't think they would ever dare plant explosives on sacred indigenous ground like that, Bo.
	I don't think they could possibly do that.
	Just to spite the Donald.
	No.
	Anyway, so in conclusion, Trump really needs to stop worrying about this award and should.
	I think that his achievements as a peacemaker will just go down in history speaking for themselves, he said at the time of recording.
	If your memory is what it is, people are going to come to their own conclusion anyway.
	And the way history works very often is that despite your best intentions, there will be cycles of revisionism.
	So at different points in history, different people have been held up as brilliant paragons of virtue and achievement.
	Oh, sure.
	And then a century or two later, they're cast as demons.
	And so, I mean, take the example of Julius Caesar or Alexander.
	Both have been thought of for a long time as heroes, great men of history, apart from the people that they conquered and/or massacred.
	But then there's revisionists that say, no, they're just power-hungry thugs, little more than that.
	And then the pendulum will swing back again and say, no, no, they were great men.
	And so on and so on.
	It'll be exactly the same with the memory of Donald J. Trump.
	Definitely.
	Some historians will say he was a great man.
	And others will say he was like Orange Man Bad, a new American Hitler or whatever.
	And he doesn't have much say in it.
	Certainly once he's dead and left the stage of history, he obviously will have no say in it.
	No, then it'll be Baron's say.
	He is what it is, right, yeah.
	Baron Octavian beside his father's legacy.
	Anyway, I'll just read some of these comments.
	So habsification says, who manages to get rid of the US national debt should be on Mount Rushmore.
	Yeah, it's a fair fair point.
	Opunk says, at this point, the Idi Amin Culinary Awards and the Teddy Roosevelt Wildlife Preservation Trophy mean more than the Nobel Peace Prizes.
	That's very funny.
	You wrote that one.
	Opunk.
	That's funny.
	$5, thank you.
	And then a drunk changeling says, even diminished, the US has the first, third, and fourth largest air force in the world.
	Right.
	Their navy could take on all the other navies in the world and would win.
	So, okay.
	Maybe we should have a civil war, find out which part of it's best.
	Yeah.
	Wonder what would happen if there was a US civil war and its navy fought itself.
	Yeah.
	Well, it'd be quite the spectacle.
	Like five US carriers versus four US carriers somewhere in the Pacific.
	D6 miss.
	Yeah.
	All right, over to you, Bo.
	All right, so I feel like we need to talk a little bit about the Jeffrey Epstein affair again.
	Who is?
	Because it's come up, the FBI, the Department of Justice, Pam Bondi and Cash Patel, Dan Borgino, have come out in the last, what, day or two, is it?
	It turns out he was a rule of big nothing burger.
	Oh, yeah, there's nothing going on.
	Fair enough.
	When Pam Bondi said, I have the list on my desk, there was no list on that desk.
	Well, Levitt, the White House press secretary, has come out and said, oh, she didn't mean like literally just an actual list.
	She just meant she misspoke.
	And what she really meant was just like the case in general is metaphorically on her desk.
	And you misunderstood when she said the client list was on her desk.
	And she appeared to be speaking quite clearly at the first time.
	Yeah, so just liars upon liars upon liars.
	Just endless liars all the way down.
	They can't stop lying.
	It seems to me this is one of those things in the category of JFK or USS Liberty or a number of other things that they will just refuse to ever completely come, completely do the full hangout, come completely clean.
	They will go to their graves before they'll do that.
	They'll let the whole world burn before they will be completely honest and open about all of this.
	Because the truth would burn their world down.
	Right.
	Yes.
	In all sorts of ways, yeah.
	So we know that, well, there's two things that came out.
	One was that there is no client list, even though we were told there was.
	There's no client list.
	Now there was no client list.
	So there was no trafficking.
	So, well, we don't, well, just there's no evidence now.
	There's just no evidence.
	So unless you can present evidence, don't worry that the absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
	Don't worry about that anymore.
	Let alone that absence of evidence comes from a highly suspicious and questionable bowel of liars.
	Don't worry about that.
	What about that?
	There's no evidence.
	How did Ghislaine Maxwell end up in prison then?
	Yep.
	Well, quiet.
	She's wondering that herself now.
	She was just a madam for a pimp.
	That's all that happened.
	But she's in jail for trafficking children.
	And presumably just some evidence was used to make that determination.
	The clients who wanted those children.
	Yeah, apparently there was a list of clients in that case.
	And the judge, Judge Alison Nathan, you can see it here.
	I hesitate to say she.
	You can see it there.
	She decided it wasn't in the public interest to release those names.
	Scroll down on that second section.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Oh, no, no, no, no, no, okay, no.
	I've got what I need.
	Okay.
	She was actually promoted after that trial to a higher court.
	Oh, was she now?
	Handpicked by Obama.
	So, yeah.
	So either Ghillaine was just trafficking girls to nobody at all or just to Jeffrey.
	All those girls, despite their testimony, don't worry about that evidence.
	We're ignoring that evidence, the testimony of the dozens or hundreds of young women and girls.
	That's not evidence now, apparently.
	And we're supposed to just buy this.
	Because it's our guys in office.
	But the thing is, it doesn't work like that on the right.
	On the left, you can say anything and the idiots will fall in line.
	But on the right, we don't operate like that.
	We can't just have our guys come out and say, oh, yeah, no, pay no attention to this.
	It's like, no, there's clearly something very wrong here.
	Well, despite they want it just to go away and people to stop asking questions and essentially forget about it, a bit like JFK.
	And there's various other examples.
	Although they want that to happen, it won't happen.
	Because even though they treat us with contempt, they treat us as moronic children.
	We're not.
	And we won't forget.
	There's books written to this day still about JFK, for example.
	And this will go down.
	It'll just throw it on the pile, throw it on the list of things the intelligence services and the deep state, the blob, wants you to forget ever happened.
	But we won't.
	They won't.
	People won't like that.
	People don't do that, really.
	So, there you go.
	I mean, Neil Oliver, I'm a big fan of Neil Oliver.
	He had an interesting take on this, I think, that he said, if you're thinking it doesn't make sense, the Ghillain Maxwell case, for example, and the fact that it's clearly some sort of blackmail intelligence services led, whether it be a US or Israeli intelligence, who knows, led sort of blackmail honeypot type compromise operation.
	you know, it's still, it just seems that it's sort of quite obvious that that was the case, even if we're being told that there's no evidence for it.
	Um, so you're being asked to believe a set of liars that you sort of you know are liars, right?
	If you think it, well, it doesn't make sense.
	Yeah, that's deliberate.
	Yeah, that was Neil Oliver's take.
	And I think that's an interesting take.
	It's very, very deliberate.
	It's what the intelligence services do 101.
	Muddy the waters to such a point, make it so convoluted and confusing and absurd that it doesn't make sense that people like us, like the chattering classes, normal people that haven't actually got any real insight into it, we weren't there, we're not involved in the actual intelligence services, we just have to go, ah.
	Well, I think it is really clear.
	It's very clearly an allied government of the US running a compromat operation that was very successful over decades and got many, many high-profile people who will include major political donors for both sides and political actors on its list.
	And it's not being revealed because of that, not in spite of it.
	Yeah.
	I think it's perfectly straightforward what's going on here.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I've got the actual memo.
	Oh, here we go.
	The key bit here is saying, the systematic review revealed no incriminating client list.
	There was also no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions.
	We did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties.
	Oh, so that's the end of it.
	Ben Shapiro, for example, will have you believe that's the end of the story.
	There's no evidence.
	So that's it.
	Draw a line under that now.
	And we'll all move on because there's no evidence.
	Again, don't worry about that the absence of evidence is no evidence of absence or that we're being told that by well-documented liars, the FBI, a cabal of criminals themselves.
	Don't worry about that.
	Don't worry about the testimony of all the actual people involved, the victims and things.
	Don't worry about all the circumstantial evidence.
	Don't worry about that it points in that way absolutely.
	It obviously points that way.
	There's no evidence according to them.
	So that's it.
	Yeah.
	And you need to blow the lid off this stuff.
	I mean, slightly off topic, but I think it kind of relates to this.
	I was listening to that interview that Tucker Carlson just put out with the president of Iran.
	And one of the questions he asked him is, basically, did you send sleeper cells into the US while the border was open?
	And the president of Iran was saying, no, we didn't do that.
	And it's like, well, if you didn't do that, you're incompetent.
	You should have done that.
	I mean, you should have done that because you had the gift of an open border.
	And I don't necessarily blame whichever US ally that was funding this for getting compromat because presumably they might have been a smaller nation and they need to twist whatever levers they can.
	So I don't necessarily blame them for doing it.
	But the US intelligence services should not be standing for it.
	They should be crushing it.
	And if they have got compromise on people, well, rip the bloody band-aid off then.
	Right, well, yeah, that's reasonable, isn't it?
	The thing is, okay, so there's a thing about the intelligence.
	I've read all sorts of books.
	I'm fascinated by the history of the intelligence services.
	I've mentioned it before, Spirecatcher, a very, very interesting book, talking largely about the Cold War, the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
	But in that, the relationship between the US intelligence service and the UK intelligence services is very, very interesting.
	They've both got their own secrets, of course, but they also worked hand in hand on other things.
	And what an odd relationship that is like being married and you both cheat on each other.
	And you both sort of know you cheat on each other, but never really tell each other.
	And it's like that sort of weird relationship sort of a thing.
	So there's the five ayas, right, which is what, the UK, is it Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and UK, the five ayes, where they work together on intelligence loads, throw Israel in on that, particularly the US-Israeli relationship.
	In some senses, they're one and the same thing.
	In other senses, they've absolutely got their own secrets and work against each other in various ways.
	So it's a very, very, very complicated thing.
	But so to say that Epstein is just an Israeli asset or just a CIA asset, it would be more complicated than that.
	But the fact that he has got the fingerprints of intelligence all over him and what he did is so clear.
	I'm not buying that there's no evidence.
	Now you're saying there's no evidence and I don't believe you.
	Well, they said they had evidence.
	Right.
	And not that long ago.
	Said that she had the file, that she had the client list, that she had tens of thousands of hours of video.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What happened to it?
	Right.
	Well, so now we're in the situation of a true 1984 thing of the bit of evidence, the thing we said a few days ago is no longer true.
	And if you think it's true, you're mad.
	You're the one that's in the wrong.
	We're going to memory hole things and you have to accept it, even though you know it's been memory hole.
	Do you remember that?
	But we'll make you memory hole it and then never speak of it again and believe within your own mind that there is no evidence now.
	Do you remember that?
	And all these sorts of things.
	Dan Bongino and Cash Patel.
	And it looks like a hostage video.
	Dan Bongino is just like sat there like staring, like trying not to gulp and Cash Patel's looks is a bit like that all the time anyway.
	But it looks like a hostage video.
	And it's almost certainly is that not only is it worse than they thought, it's much worse than they thought.
	And the implications of Britain of exposing this are just so serious because, I mean, it won't just be Americans involved.
	Maybe if it was just that, it will be a whole bunch of powerful allies will get wrapped up in this as well.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	The most powerful people in real life, just to finish up on the 1984 thing and what Neil Oliver's take was that if you think it doesn't make sense or it's absurd or you're being treated like a child, their contempt for your sense of truth, yeah, it's the final order of the party that you disregard the evidence of your own eyes and ears.
	This isn't about the truth for them.
	It's about power.
	It's about an exercising power.
	I think that's absolutely the case.
	Well, power always beats justice.
	Well, yes.
	And also, you know, as to what you were saying about the instance of it all being very 1984 and, you know, the case, well, it was all lies and you know we're lying, but we've made the calculation and you're still going to vote for us anyway.
	Because aren't we doing well on the border?
	Aren't we getting food prices down?
	Aren't we bringing about peace all over the world?
	You know, and so they think it's an issue, but they can simply get away with lying to your face on because of all the other things that they do.
	I mean, if I was an American, my top issue would be the border, but this still matters a lot.
	I'm not saying it doesn't matter.
	No, no, I agree with you entirely.
	I'm just saying they can make that calculation.
	And the fact is probably right.
	It's a classic case, like I think, of maybe in the Soviet era when the people were told by the party that we're more prosperous than the West.
	Our system works more efficiently and better than the West.
	And they can see what's going on in America in the 80s or whatever.
	They can see what West Germany and France and Britain are living like.
	Or under Mao, under the Great Leap Forward, you're told there's no famine.
	It's like, well, everyone in my family has died of famine, though.
	It's like, no, there's no famine.
	You know, it's like, there's no evidence.
	There's no list.
	Who do you think you're talking to?
	I'm not seven years old.
	Come on.
	But they don't care about that.
	What are you going to do?
	Go vote for the Democrats so that they'll release it.
	Right?
	You buggered on me.
	But you can see these people are rattled.
	I mean, but it does go.
	Sorry, take it off.
	Well, they built their whole career.
	I mean, a lot of them built their career on this Epstein case.
	They came in with fire and brimstone.
	Like Cash Patel and Pan Bondi.
	And you can see how rattled when they speak about it now.
	Someone came to them.
	I guess the FBI have actually done some real genuine investigation.
	And they show it to the likes of Ongino and Patel and Pan Bondi, I suppose, even, or Trump even.
	It's like, well, here is the actual truth.
	It goes super deep and it's super dark.
	And you can't release it because the establishment, the sort of the globalist establishment is itself implicated.
	The main people that run it.
	I mean, so back in 2022, I wrote an article for lotusetators.com.
	Do you consider becoming a subscriber at lotuseaters.com?
	Where I said, we shan't forget, which is one of the things I opened this segment with, is that they want us to forget it.
	We won't.
	We won't.
	And in this, I actually name a load of people that, although Ghillaine Maxwell's little black book has never been released, and now the FBI is saying it never existed in the first place, what we do know, or what was leaked years ago, years ago, even before 2022, was the guest lists of people that flew on the so-called Lolita Express, Epsom's private plane that took them to his private sex island.
	So we do know people that flew on that.
	Now, let me make it clear.
	I'm not saying that if you ever flew on that or ever visited his home in New York or ever went to that island, it doesn't mean that you're guilty of any sort of sex crime.
	No, I know that President Clinton left his security behind.
	Because he's got lifelong Secret Service.
	When he went on the plane, he went alone without them.
	Why?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, there's some people on the list which I'm sure...
	For example, there was Stephen Hawking.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Was he plowing his way through 17-year-old girls on Matt Island?
	Of course, Hawkins.
	He's got that look about him.
	Like, was Chelsea Handler or Naomi Campbell up to nefarious sex crimes?
	Probably not, right?
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't have thought so.
	But then there's people like Les Wexner, Alan Dershowitz, like Harvey Weinstein, Woody Allen.
	Like people you think start to become less sure with sexually sound characters.
	Alexander Acosta, Kevin Spacey, Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton.
	Kevin Spacey is interesting.
	It wasn't just girls then?
	I don't know.
	I never got to go to the island.
	I'm not sure.
	I was never invited.
	Yes.
	So was Courtney Love?
	Really?
	Really?
	You know, so Bill Gates, Peter Mandelson, Chris Tucker, Bonno.
	Ray Fiennes.
	Yeah, right, right.
	So once again, just to make clear, so no one brings a case against me, I'm not saying that if you ever flew on the Lolita Express, you're guilty of anything.
	But nonetheless, it is in the public interest, is it?
	I'm not saying just because you flew on the Lolita Express.
	I mean, you're kind of loading your terms there.
	Nicknamed?
	Merely nicknamed.
	Lolita Express.
	Fair enough.
	The thing is, you could visit that island and not necessarily have been involved.
	Well, that's the point I make in this article.
	Wouldn't it be nice to know one way or another?
	Say you're Chris Tucker, right?
	And you visited that island.
	You're invited there and it's like people way richer and famous than me even.
	And I'm being invited there.
	Yeah, I'm going to go.
	Cool.
	Yeah, I get to network with the most rich and famous people in the world.
	So you go.
	You don't see anything dodgy.
	You don't do anything dodgy, right?
	But yet your name has been leaked that you visited that island.
	Wouldn't you be chomping at the bit to clear your name?
	Wouldn't you be doing everything in your power to say, I didn't do anything, though?
	And yet their silence is deafening.
	Yes.
	We need the list out so that we can finally clear Stephen Hawking's name and show that he was beyond suspicion.
	Because there was one of the Weinstein brothers.
	There's Brett and...
	I can never remember one from the other, but the older, bigger one.
	Yeah.
	Like, he's, I've seen him talk about it, that he was once invited to Epstein's New York mansion, and he went there and found it all a bit weird.
	And he was only there for like an afternoon or not even all that long.
	And they talked a bit about science and stuff.
	And then he left.
	And that was it.
	That's the extent of his interaction with Jeff Epstein.
	And he has gone on podcasts just saying exactly that.
	So I assume, I would imagine he's completely innocent.
	It all rings true to me.
	So I think there'll be a lot of people that fall into exactly that category, where they genuinely didn't do anything wrong.
	But there'll be some that almost certainly did, right?
	Or the allegations are that they did.
	The allegations from the victims, the dozens, if it's not hundreds of survivors, and said they did do, there was really, really dodgy stuff going on that island.
	And this was the guy that did it, that was involved in it.
	So, but there's no list anymore.
	I wonder if this is one of the ones in like 15 years' time, they're just suddenly up on WikiLeaks will be something.
	Usually, not always, but usually the truth has a way of coming out, even if it takes decades and decades and decades.
	Like, didn't they find Jimmy Hoffer's body the other day or the other month?
	Finally.
	Didn't hear that?
	Okay.
	Yeah, right.
	Lots and lots of things.
	It might take years and years and years and years and years.
	Everyone involved in it is dead.
	And then it comes out.
	Usually the truth has a way of coming out.
	Again, not always, but very, very, very often.
	Okay, so the last thing to say, do you remember that Virginia Guffery?
	You know, the Prince Andrew.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	She's dead now.
	She committed suicide in April.
	Yeah, no one ever talked about that.
	Yes.
	Right.
	So she's dead.
	Just a note.
	Yeah.
	Just a note.
	So it does seem that whoever wants this to remain, if not a complete secret, opaque, they want it to remain confusing and unclear.
	But it's perfectly clear, though, isn't it?
	Well, basically, it is sort of perfectly clear.
	But then you get people like, as I say, people like Ben Shapiro and even people on Twitter an hour or so ago saying, you've got no evidence.
	There's no evidence.
	The FBI have told us there's no evidence.
	Therefore, there is no evidence.
	Therefore, everything you're saying is sort of mad.
	Oh, right now.
	And as we know, MAGA was built around trust of the Day.
	In fact, let's play this, you know, Mimeology 101.
	They just do really short videos.
	Let's just watch this.
	We've got to present evidence now.
	So that's now.
	So that's now.
	We now have the answers.
	And the problem is this.
	People who never hedged their bets, people who never at any point suggested to you that they don't have data to back up the speculation, that the speculation was in and of itself the conclusion that if you speculate without evidence, that that amounts to an actual conclusion to an investigation, They're going to be very upset today because it turns out that the DOJ and the FBI have concluded that Epstein didn't have a client list and died by suicide.
	laughter
	According to a memo detailing the findings obtained by Axios.
	Now, again, does this put to bed like all inquiries?
	Of course not.
	People can continue to speculate as much as they want.
	And I think there's still open questions here regarding how did Epstein make his money?
	That's a very serious open question.
	The speculation for a long time was he made his money from blackmail.
	But the DOJ and the FBI, again, run by people like Dan Bongino and Cash Patel and Pam Bondi are telling you, I'm not telling you, they're telling you, people who are members of the Trump administration, people you elected and put into these positions to get you the truth on this matter, are telling you that he didn't, in fact, he was not murdered.
	He did not keep a client list, and he did not blackmail powerful figures.
	Okay, right.
	That is the thing that they are saying, not I. They are saying.
	Well, let's not question that then.
	That's the bottom of the barrel.
	Yeah, let's not look into this any further.
	Pam Bondi said it.
	So that's just truth.
	That can never be questioned now.
	Also, has he always had super villain eyebrows or are these new?
	I don't remember.
	When he used to do those university debates, I don't remember them.
	Yeah, let's just finish quickly finish up.
	If you're willing to throw that over and claim they're lying, then I'd like to see you present your evidence that they are in fact lying.
	Because I know I don't think that Dan Bargino is lying to me.
	I know Cash Patel a little bit.
	I don't think Cash Patel is lying to me.
	I don't think these people are lying to me, which means that if somebody else continues to claim that they're lying, they ought to provide their evidence at this point.
	And now is the point at which the facts on the ground have changed.
	And so either you ought to shift your opinion based on the facts that have now emerged, or you ought to acknowledge that this was never a fact-based inquiry in the first place.
	No.
	No, I don't think I will.
	Lovely.
	Lovely.
	Yeah, no, no, I'm not accepting.
	I'm just not accept to accept what they're saying, Cash Patel and Pam Bondi, is to be naive, crazily naive.
	One of those people said the exact opposite previously.
	Cash Patel said that he had seen evidence before coming into office.
	Pam Bondi said that she's got thousands of hours of videos and a client list.
	So it's not a question of believing them.
	It's a question of believing which version of them.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Do you know Lionel Nation?
	Do you ever watch Lionel at all?
	No.
	Anyway, an interesting, quite an interesting New York chap.
	He's good on this.
	He's quite hard lying.
	Any sort of trying to muddy the waters, anything like that, again, sort of parents the line I've been saying here is that don't drink like a child.
	I'm not seven years old.
	No, we're men.
	Speak to us as though we actually have ability to wield reason.
	Now, of course, this was an intelligence-led compromise blackmail operation.
	Obviously, so.
	So, unless we can start from there, I'm not even giving you the time of day.
	Yes, let's not even talk about all the other stuff surrounding it.
	Okay, so I will just accept that there isn't a list and never was a list.
	And that the only thing they've got footage now of his cell where he committed suicide.
	Apparently, it was lost or they didn't have it.
	Or two people went to court, didn't they?
	Do you remember that?
	Two of the guards went to court.
	Where's the link here?
	Oh, yeah.
	These two people didn't do their job properly and then lied about it and then falsified document various things.
	They were let off with like 100 hours community service apiece.
	That's weird.
	But there was no video footage.
	Now there is.
	That's a worrying chain of custody problem.
	It is very worrying, isn't it?
	We lost key footage.
	Oh, look, here it is.
	Again, you're being treated like morons.
	I won't have it.
	Most people, I think, won't have it.
	No.
	They showed us a bit of footage.
	Well, one, it could be AI generated.
	Two, then who knows what day that was from.
	Three, unless we can prove what day it was from and it's not AI.
	And then you show me the whole night, like eight hours worth of unbroken footage, and video experts can show it's unbroken.
	Only then, maybe, when I start to swallow that one, just show me a bit of footage of an outside of a cell where nothing happens.
	Okay.
	Again, they're treating us like moronic children.
	But that's sort of part of it, isn't it?
	It's a test.
	The party testing you, saying there is no famine, even though you're dying of famine.
	The Soviet Union is better than the West, even though you can see it isn't.
	It's on that level.
	It's despicable.
	How is it despicable?
	I mean, who was it?
	Alex Jones.
	I don't know if we've got the link.
	Alex Jones did a bit.
	I won't play it.
	But he's basically saying sort of the things I'm saying.
	He's saying it's sickening.
	It's sickening.
	We voted in Trump and the likes of Bondi and Patel to specifically rip the plaster off on this thing, the band-aid.
	And obviously, not only are they not doing it, well, that means they're now become part of it.
	The cover-up, at least.
	Not necessarily the actual original crimes.
	I'm not saying Cash Patel or Pam Bondi visited the island and were involved in sex crime.
	But the post-cover-up of it, they're now in it.
	They're now part of it.
	And that's exactly what people weren't voting for.
	And yeah, I feel for Alex James.
	I feel for everyone out there that's not buying this.
	Because it's an insult.
	It's an insult to our intelligence.
	It's an insult to justice.
	It's an insult to those victims.
	It's an insult to civilization almost.
	It's really obvious what happened.
	And to say there's just no evidence or was never any evidence is liars within liars within liars.
	And I, for one, I'm not having it.
	Nice.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Right.
	Do you want to read my things for me?
	Oh, sure.
	I'll read it for you.
	Don't mind.
	So, Sigil Stones says, time to give accelerationism a chance.
	Hashtag free Jelaine Maxwell.
	She did nothing wrong.
	She just loved her man and wanted him to be happy.
	Yeah.
	We've got a drunk changeling says, I honestly can't blame Bondi.
	She thought she had a folder of clients on her list, but it turned out to be a folder full of pictures of her kids.
	Great.
	That's a random name.
	I disagree, Bo.
	Most people will accept all of this because they don't care about truth.
	They're just NPCs.
	That's why democracy is fake and cringe.
	I don't buy that.
	I don't go along with that.
	No, I think that most people care.
	Yeah, I think that most people aren't NPCs.
	They might be quiet, but they're not.
	I've worked with political parties, you know, over the years.
	In a card carry member of a few of them, got involved with UKIP briefly and obviously the reform thing.
	Lots of people in party politics, they always say things like that, about that the general voter is just an idiot.
	Most people are NPCs and all that sort of thing.
	I've never bought that.
	I mean, look at your own life, the people you know in your own life.
	Some people are like that.
	They sort of never read and don't really reason properly.
	And their general knowledge is childlike and their sense of, I don't think it's the majority of people.
	I really don't.
	Not in the West, anyway.
	No.
	And certainly not on something as big as this.
	Now, whether they get up in arms about it or do anything about it is something else.
	Most people don't do that.
	I'll grant that.
	Yeah.
	But most people will just accept, if they've followed the case, if they've followed the case in any way, will just accept now that there is no list.
	Yes, yes.
	All right.
	Anyway, well, as the Monty Python say, and now for something completely different.
	Well, last week, Bo, you did a very good segment on, what was this one?
	It was on Jaguar.
	Oh, yeah.
	And it was a, you know, a classic Bo, looking at the Jaguar brand and the brand demolition that they'd done to them with their weird androgynous gay commercial thing that they did.
	Anyway, very sensible segment.
	And we managed to get through 90% of it before we hit upon the fact that the CEO of Jaguar is literally called Raw Dong Lover.
	Where is it?
	Is that really his real name?
	Yes, there is.
	There you go.
	Raw Dong Lover.
	Raw Dong Lover.
	And basically, we got to that point.
	Isn't he a gay man as well?
	Is he a practicing homosexual?
	I don't know.
	Let's put a question mark on that because I don't know.
	I can't.
	I don't worry.
	But yeah, literally, his name is Raw Dong lover.
	And basically, at that point, you were trying to get to the end of your segment and wrap it up, bring your thoughts together, deliver your crucial conclusion.
	And I just torpedoed that segment because I just couldn't let that go.
	I really couldn't.
	Right.
	And then.
	Quick thing.
	Rordon.
	Where is that from?
	I don't think I've ever heard that before.
	Rawdon.
	Is that Welsh or something?
	What is that?
	Have you ever met anyone like that?
	Specifically from Soho, I imagine.
	I don't know why I'm thinking Welsh.
	Probably not Welsh.
	I don't know.
	I didn't think about that deeply.
	I just fuffled.
	Anyway, so then I started up on that.
	And then the chat, the little chat box that's scrolling away down there, they started sort of making other suggestions.
	And I just thought, yes, I can't let this go.
	I'm going to have to investigate to see if there's anyone else who has a silly name.
	And at this point, I would just like to give out a parental advisory that this is not going to be the normal highbrow content.
	This is going to be the lowest form of puerile slop imaginable, and therefore it should not be viewed by anybody.
	So please turn off now.
	If for some reason you're tied to a chair and you are forced to watch this, and I do apologise because I've now got a list for you.
	Let's start.
	This won't be what Lacey has put forward for our Pulitzer.
	Possibly not.
	Okay.
	Dick Shove.
	Who is he?
	He's a Dutch politician civil servant.
	Dick Shove, right.
	Dutch is quite good at this.
	If your second name is something sort of slightly funny and your first name's Richard.
	Yes.
	Don't shorten it.
	Yeah.
	Don't shorten it.
	I would have thought.
	This guy, I'm pretty sure he's changed his name because he cropped up 15 years ago and he used to spell it with a C. Right.
	But he's changed it to make it a little bit obvious.
	But here we've got Tiny Cock.
	Well, I love the fact that it's Martinus Josephus.
	Maria, Tiny Cox.
	So Tiny is only a nickname.
	Yeah, yes.
	Yes, but that's the name that he gets cursed with on the wiki bio.
	But his wiki page is tiny.
	It's what he goes by.
	Surely he's having a laugh.
	Surely.
	Mr. Cock was like, I need a nickname.
	I need a...
	Yeah.
	Everyone can call me Hugh.
	No, we're going straight to Tiny.
	You would only do that if you had a very good sense of humour.
	You didn't take yourself all that seriously.
	Okay, maybe he's just...
	Randy Bumgardner.
	Oh, no.
	I remember now, we mentioned that during the Jag segment, didn't we?
	Yes.
	Yeah, he was one of the audience suggestions, but I thought...
	He's quite a bit of that look to him.
	At least he didn't pick the nickname Uphill or anything.
	Could have been worse.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I thought this was America.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Of course, we've got the classic Mr. Weiner.
	Yep, classic.
	Anthony Weiner, why not?
	I found a better one.
	Some guy, again, it goes to the whole question of why do you go by the nickname Dick?
	Dick Sweat.
	Dick Sweat.
	Come on.
	I personally would just stick with Richard in that case.
	It must be brutal knowing your parents detested you from birth.
	Like, you could go with Rick or Ricky, and of course Richard, but he obviously...
	He goes by that.
	Yes, Dick Sweat.
	He's not insisting no one ever calls him Dick Sweat.
	He's okay with it.
	Yeah, no, perfectly sensible.
	Perfectly sensible.
	This is bolder.
	Dick Army.
	Wow, that's a sort of a stronger name, that one.
	Oh, he's a congressman.
	Dick Army.
	How many places do you reckon he's invaded?
	Difficult to get into areas, I'd imagine.
	Hairy G-Balls.
	I do so apologise, audience.
	I mean, you don't...
	What's he famous?
	Is there anything?
	I don't know.
	I couldn't find too many details on him, but I can't leave him out.
	Did he create that webpage?
	Yeah, David made that one.
	Dick Pound.
	I actually quite like this one.
	I quite like this one.
	If I was him, I would go by Dick rather than Richard, I think.
	Because, like, Dick Pound is actually quite funny.
	Yes.
	And like not...
	Well, there are more embarrassing versions.
	I give you Dick Trickle.
	Naming yourself after Gonoria is a bold move, and Mr. Trickle has gone through it.
	Is he the guy on the left or the right?
	Which is I'm not sure, actually.
	Yes, it's the left.
	Oh, no, wait, it's the race driver.
	He's the race driver, so probably not the bigger guy.
	I don't know.
	Oh, okay.
	But yeah, like, so, like, Dick Pound isn't too bad.
	No.
	But, yeah, like, Dick Trickle or Dick Sweat, surely would rather not be known by that.
	Can you imagine the conversations that would happen if all three of these men were put at table together?
	When Dick's collide.
	Fairly bad.
	Hey, I've got a laugh in there.
	Randy Johnson.
	Oh, really?
	He's one of the first guy I know.
	What's he like?
	Great.
	He was one of the all-time greatest pitchers.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Really tall dude.
	Seriously, a pitcher?
	Yeah.
	Well, he's not a catcher, is he?
	Not with a name like that.
	Here are all people.
	As Othello Johnson myself, I'm glad to see some representation in this segment.
	No, he was great.
	He was really a great ball player.
	The big unit, yeah.
	He played for the Razorbacks, didn't he?
	Oh, yeah.
	Of course he's a pitcher.
	I quite like this one.
	Young Boozer.
	That's a hell of a name.
	Yeah.
	That's quite funny.
	You could go through life with that.
	Yeah.
	You'd have to, like, people would go, really, all the time.
	But you'd get to that.
	Especially when you're in your 20s and stuff.
	I love that as well.
	Young Jacob Boozer III.
	Yeah, so three generations of young boozer.
	His great-granddad hit upon the name, and he was like, yes, I'll keep it that for the next three generations.
	A lot of these names are funny, the Christian name part of it.
	It's not really a real proper Christian.
	Again, like Young.
	Have you ever met anyone whose Christian name was Young?
	No.
	No, right.
	I don't know me neither.
	Right, next.
	What do we got next?
	Oh, God.
	No, Wankard Poser.
	Come on, is that real.
	But a Florida politician.
	The thing with these, I always want to know who they are now when I've not heard of them.
	Wankard.
	Well, his name is Rankard, but that's who he is.
	His name is Rankard Poser.
	That's his name.
	Not even a change.
	That's the name.
	I feel like his real name was Dave Smith, and his detractors have just edited his wiki page.
	No, he even has It's called it at school.
	It's like, no, I'm going to own it.
	That's who I am for now.
	He even ran a publication entitled Wankard Poser's Bumblebee.
	A paper with a sting.
	Oh, come on.
	Maybe do Americans...
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I don't think they do it Maybe for Americans Wank hard isn't Wank is a very British slang That's a perfectly normal name, Wankard Pose.
	Why wouldn't you call your kid that?
	What's the issue?
	Don't get it.
	Again, Mr. and Mrs. Poser.
	They're welcoming their new arrival to the world.
	Yes.
	Wancard.
	Yep, and the wife is like, sold.
	Yep, that's the name we want.
	The nurse at the hospital just.
	Are you sure?
	Yeah.
	Take a moment.
	There's no rush.
	I can write that down on the birth certificate.
	Oh, you've got that.
	No, you can take an hour or two.
	Right.
	But Americans are funny with their names, aren't they?
	John Bona, obviously.
	Classic.
	We all know that one.
	This one's nice and mild.
	Crystal Ball.
	Well, that's nice.
	I like that one.
	Don't mind that one that much.
	This is also funny.
	And bear in mind, the character wasn't named after him.
	He joined the company after the character was established.
	Doug Bowser at Nintendo.
	Right, okay.
	He joined after Bowser was already a character, and then he ended up getting promoted up to CEO.
	Just based on his name?
	Well, no, he started entry-level, and he got kicked up to CEO.
	So I don't know if there was like, whether the Japanese were just like, that is very funny.
	No, actually, that's not Japanese actually.
	Imagine being outside.
	It's like the CEO Bowser will see you now.
	Sometimes I do feel like that, sometimes what someone's name actually is, or certainly often what they look like, rather than the content of their character, And he actually looks like a Koopa Trooper.
	He does look like Cooper.
	Yeah, a Cooper.
	Well, Bowser was the king of the Coopers, wasn't he?
	Yeah, basically.
	Yeah, he was the end boss a lot of the time in most of the marriage.
	CEO must be lower than king.
	I feel like quite often what you look like and sometimes even what your name is can really, really help you in life and your career massively.
	Especially if you're getting a job in Nintendo and your name is Bowser.
	Greg or Fucker?
	Very tall.
	Very tall.
	Seven foot.
	Nonetheless.
	Yes.
	We'll pronounce it like that because it's funny.
	Well, the next one's got no choice because she's American.
	Misty Hyman.
	Samson laughing again at that one.
	And Misty Hyman, as you can see, I've not gone for the Wikipedia page, I've gone for an Olympiad page because she's a swimmer.
	Is she now?
	She's actually a swimmer, yeah.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	She's wet quite often.
	Well, I think it comes with the job, doesn't it?
	I mean, keeping you all dry in that scenario is obviously going to be challenging.
	Misty as well.
	Yeah.
	You think of a male boy.
	She's very fast.
	Well, look, she got a gold medal, though.
	The fastest swimmer.
	For a time, she was the best of the best.
	Danny Shittu.
	Why not?
	Nigerian name.
	Common Nigerian name perhaps.
	Yeah, I remember Danny Shittu, yeah.
	He was crap.
	Well, he's better than me.
	Yeah, Danny Shitu as well, shit.
	Harry colon?
	It's a bit of a stretch with the Harry.
	Yeah, you can't just purposely make it.
	I mean, I get it.
	It's funny.
	Hang on, you're cheating.
	Mildly.
	Some people abbreviate Harry to just hair, though, don't they?
	Yeah.
	Like, yo, hair.
	Yeah.
	So hair cut.
	Mercy from the parents not calling him Richard, though.
	It was a football defensive back or something.
	Well, you would be defensive.
	America back, wouldn't it?
	Yeah, NFL, okay.
	The next one, I am going to have to hedge it slightly because, look, there are some names that we just don't like.
	Well, there's basically one name that we have to be a little bit cautious about saying on YouTube because it triggers all sorts of automatic censorship mechanisms.
	And so we just end up referring to him as, you know, the mustache man or the Austrian painter or something like that.
	But I just want to make it very clear to YouTube before we go on to the next one that I'm going to be talking about a completely different man.
	Just make that clear, a different man.
	Dr. Gay Hitler.
	Surname Hitler.
	Surname Hitler.
	Yes.
	Okay, first name Gay.
	First name Gay.
	Right.
	Surname Hitler.
	And he was a doctor in the United States.
	There's a picture of Dr. Gay Hitler.
	Is it from way back?
	Is it like before...
	This is an old colour.
	Okay, so it's long before the actual Austrian painter became prominent.
	I think actually they were more or less concurrent.
	Oh, was it?
	Okay.
	More or less concurrent.
	And I would like to imagine that if this guy had had a political career, he would have taken more after his first name rather than his second name.
	Because the thing you have to remember is back in those days, gay meant something different to what it means now.
	It means like being really happy.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So I'd just like to, I'd just imagine if he had a political career, he'd be like on stage, go, yeah, it's great, guys, isn't it?
	Rather than, you know, angry pointing and.
	I'm the happy Hitler.
	I'm the bizarro Hitler.
	Yes.
	Speaking of political careers, have you ever thought what you would do if you had a time machine?
	Yeah, yeah, well, you're good.
	Right, I have now decided what I would do.
	I'm going to go back in time and get his dad a political career.
	The reason being is his dad was called George Washington Hitler.
	Wow.
	How?
	And he predated the other one that we can't mention.
	And I just think it'd be incredibly funny to go back in time, back his dad, get him installed as like the 35th president, and when the timeline corrects and everyone goes back and looks at their history book, they'd be like, sorry what?
	The 35th president was called George Washington Hitler.
	Anyway.
	It's funny, just a quick mention.
	Hitler obviously is a nom to get.
	It's not, wasn't Hitler's real name.
	No, no, we don't mention him.
	Oh, no.
	I know.
	I'm just saying.
	I'm just saying.
	Oh, this guy was.
	I'm just tipping my fedora.
	Like, his real name was like Sticklegruber or something rather, wasn't it?
	Oh, was it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Stalin wasn't his real name.
	His real name was Yugoshili.
	They're like their politics names, names of war.
	So it's possible that Stickengruber was like, oh, God, I need a politics name.
	And he was skimming through a list of American doctors trying to find inspiration.
	And he was like, yeah, this guy.
	I'll drop the gay.
	I'll go with, I don't know, pick A, because at least that way I'll get, you know, my name read out earlier.
	I can't remember.
	I've probably got that wrong.
	It's something like Sticklegruber.
	I don't think it is that, but it's something close to that.
	Anyway, anyway, anyway.
	Now, if the previous name I had to cover sensitively and I couldn't say, I had to be careful about how I said it out loud on YouTube, I apologise so sincerely for the next name.
	And I really don't think I can read this out.
	So for those of you who are listening rather than watching, I do apologise.
	Is it the C-bomb?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I can't, I can't say.
	Do you want of you want to say?
	I mean.
	Say Kuntz.
	Yeah.
	Rusty Kuntz.
	I mean, it's actually pronounced the way that you fear it's pronounced.
	There's a German footballer.
	Is he on your list?
	He's got that name as well.
	Oh, is that?
	No, I didn't get him.
	I didn't get him.
	But no, for those of you listening, Pam.
	First name, Rusty.
	Second name, K-U-N-T-Z.
	Yes.
	So anyway, moving swiftly on, let's go to Dickface.
	Come on.
	Classic.
	Is it?
	I think he mostly tried to go by Richard, though.
	Oh, you're watching.
	And he doesn't look happy there, does he?
	Yeah, and his face is a bit...
	Yeah, that's a tiny bit unfortunate, that one.
	He doesn't look happy, but you can understand why.
	Mike Crapo?
	That rings loyal.
	Well, no, okay.
	I thought I might have heard of him before, but I guess not.
	What, Crapo?
	Well, he was a congressman.
	Yep.
	Okay, Crap.
	And I'm confused about Charles E. Hooker, because my loose understanding of surnames is like if your name is like, for example, John Smith, you can reasonably expect that one of your great-great-grandfathers was a Smith because that's where surnames come from.
	Does that work for Hooker as well?
	I don't know.
	I'm not sure how long Hooker has been a euphemism for prostitute anyway.
	I don't know if that might go back a long way.
	It might not.
	I really don't know.
	Yes.
	Wasn't there was another hooker in the American Civil War who was a general?
	A Joseph Hooker.
	He was just a general hooker, though.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, general purpose hooker.
	Anyway.
	Did he command Dick Army?
	Who came up earlier?
	Oh, this one is Chubby Cocks.
	No, no, Singer, the Chubby Cock.
	Oh, again, Chubby is only a nickname.
	Yes.
	He obviously leant into it.
	People who just lean into it.
	Yeah, he obviously liked it.
	I mean, I wouldn't mind leaning into that one.
	That one is one that you could lean into.
	While we're on these football players.
	You say it's one you'd lean into, but of all the ways to describe it, I don't think if a woman said to you, oh, it's very chubby, isn't it?
	You'd actually be quite flattered by that adjective.
	Yeah, you'd have to take it in the round.
	Ha ha Clinton Dix.
	Oh, come on.
	Apparently, this was quite well known as well.
	Football player.
	Ha ha Clinton Dix.
	I mean, that sounds the sort of thing that gets you assassinated.
	Harshawn Trash.
	What?
	Oh, okay, so that's also a nickname.
	Perhaps more absurdly, his real name was Harshan.
	I've even seen other black Americans take the Mickey out of some of the Christian names black Americans.
	I think I've seen like Chris Rock take the Mickey out of, or Dave Chappelle, or probably both, joke about some of the absurd Christian names some black Americans give their kids.
	Harshawn.
	What are you talking about?
	That's not...
	Harshawn.
	Was it worth it?
	Again, it comes back to the, you know, you just take a bit more time.
	The craving was worth it for my little husband.
	There's nothing wrong with Dave or Chris.
	No.
	You don't have to Harsha.
	I've now got for you Dick Seaman.
	Classic again.
	We've got Stubby Clap.
	Quite a lot of American sports people.
	Stephen Shartz, which sounds like a sentence from a three-year-old book, you know, learning to read book.
	Right.
	This is Stephen.
	Stephen waves.
	Stephen sits down.
	Stephen Shartz.
	it's of that order again i don't know i don't know this trick this just i did Again, again, they're probably confused by half these names.
	It's like, what's the issue?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, UK humour, or certainly my sense of humour, is really puerile.
	Yes.
	Oh, yes.
	I find the same things funny when I was 11.
	I find funny now.
	Well, let's see if this joke continues.
	We've got Dick Hard here.
	Again, not one of the ones I mind the most.
	He is a tech entrepreneur or something.
	Thomas Crapper, although apparently he's quite literally, he's what came first, the chicken or the egg.
	He came first.
	Right, I thought that was the case.
	Because he was the army engineer who installed the lavatories around army bases.
	And because of that, we started calling it the crap.
	thought he was being clever by putting his branding on it, but has just...
	Yeah.
	Quite ledgery.
	Dick Mountjoy, why not?
	Quite a lot of these are tickling Samson out of T-Series.
	I don't blame him.
	Major Dickie Head.
	And there was an article here talking about his export.
	And what was this?
	This is the Suffolk Gazette.
	And they've got a bit on Major Dicky Head.
	Assigned to Basra, B Company, 1st Battalion, the Light Infantry, Major Head's leadership was nothing short of extraordinary.
	Yet in true modesty, the Major claims his meticulous helmet polishing routine was the real secret to his success on parade.
	And then it makes another callback to that, because apparently he's being presented to Buckingham Palace.
	Buckingham Palace awaits, but word has it his helmet will undergo another polishing marathon to ensure it's worthy of his majesty's gaze.
	Did he win a medal then for gallantry or something?
	Why is he gallant?
	Something like that.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But I hope his majesty approved.
	What have we got now?
	Dick Long.
	Dick Long.
	And Dick Long.
	Well, it's better than Tiny Cox, isn't it?
	Yeah, it's much better.
	He was, again, another Australian blah, blah, blah, blah, member of the Liberal Party to the Victorian Legislative Council.
	I also found, although I couldn't track down a picture for him, there was a judge, a US county judge in America in the 1800s by the name of Willie B. Short.
	To be fair, the B. And he was six foot seven.
	Well, to be fair, the B was literally just a B and short had an E on the end.
	But if you were to move the E, it would.
	What do we got next?
	Dr. Alfred Wanklin.
	Why not?
	You're going to get taken seriously as a chemist with a name like that.
	Jimmy Wanklin.
	Wanklin.
	This is one I found by myself, actually.
	I went to what's the big city, Manila, in the Philippines, and I came across this enormous statue of Cardinal Sin.
	Oh, I was going to say that's what's so funny about Jamie Sin, but he was a Cardinal, so it's Cardinal Sin.
	Cardinals, I wonder if they've got the picture of the statue here, but he's got an enormous statue in...
	I mean, if you join the church with a name like Sin, of course you're going to get promoted straight to Cardinal.
	Almost inevitably.
	Have we done this guy, oh, that's the guy you were talking about, General Hooker.
	He was really, really important.
	He wasn't just one of the dozens and dozens of generals.
	He was super high up.
	I mean, he was one of the most senior ones.
	Nice.
	Well, it's good to be a general.
	Senior Hooker.
	I managed to find a picture of Reverend Cox.
	The very Reverend Cox.
	This one.
	You get the size of his weapon.
	Quite.
	Yeah.
	And the shotgun he's holding.
	I do apologise in advance for the next one if you're of a sensitive disposition.
	Please don't be drinking tea while I read out the name Luscious Pussy.
	Yeah.
	I feel like that's contrived in some way.
	Thank you for the warning.
	No.
	No.
	I found a whole bunch of sports bibliography things with him, but this is the only one I could find with a picture.
	Yeah.
	Luscious Pussy.
	I mean, why not?
	There's a lot of people where their name is so embarrassing that they get to adulthood and they change it.
	Frank Zappa called one of his kids Moon Unit.
	Right.
	Yeah, Moon Unit Zappa.
	I'm pretty sure Moon Unit changed his name in adulthood.
	I would much rather be called Moon Unit than Luscious Pussy.
	But if it was me.
	Didn't David Bowie have a kid he called Zowie?
	Zowie Bowie.
	Again, still better.
	And I think he grew up and changed his name to something normal.
	If I went round being...
	Pretty sure I'd change it if I depole once I got old enough.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	To Something else, anything else.
	By the time you got through your teenage years, you've probably taken so much stick that you're just fairly immune to it.
	It's a bloke as well.
	I mean, it's like.
	I mean, well, at least it's a bloke.
	At least it's a bloke.
	It'd be worse if it was a woman.
	I think it would be worse.
	Okay.
	I think it would be more embarrassing if you were a lady and you had that.
	It's if he's a lady, you could just say, yeah, it's just like, that's like my actual prostitute name, my street name.
	But what if you're not an actual prostitute?
	Oh, yeah.
	I didn't think this through.
	I hope he didn't become a teacher.
	Hello, class.
	I'm not a man.
	No, he's again, another sports person player.
	He's got the thousand-yard stare of someone who has been bullied over it his whole life.
	Again, on the hooker theme, Fair Hooker.
	I mean, that's a nice name.
	That's the nicest hooker name we've had so far, Fair Hooker.
	It's like beautiful prostitute sort of thing.
	Yeah, well, no, just fair, not a clock watcher.
	All right, oh, fair.
	Yeah, fair deal.
	Fair deal hooker.
	I couldn't find a picture of the most perfectly named corporate US attorney, but it is, of course, Sue Yu.
	She is an attorney.
	Very practicing attorney, but, you know, the perfect name.
	You turn up as a defendant, you're like, well, I'm fox.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Dick Bender.
	I don't know how he spent his time because we don't have all the details on the page.
	But whatever it was, that was his name.
	Like Tiny Cox or Dick Bender, you would do something about it, wouldn't you?
	Well, you just go by Richard for a start.
	For a start.
	A start.
	Just that minimum hygiene level.
	If we went to my school in the 1990s and your surname was just Bender, your first name is something normal, like Dave or something.
	But your surname was Bender.
	Oh, you meant.
	Yes.
	You would be all day, every day, for five years.
	You would be getting brilliant.
	If your name was Richard, you wouldn't rock up on day one.
	Could be Dick.
	You're so confident, you're so sigma, that you just...
	Yes, my name is Dick Bender.
	I accept all your...
	I totally get...
	Jack off.
	Who's he?
	I was a touring car racer.
	I feel like I've heard of him.
	In our office, we have this calendar system when people on the podcast and stuff like that.
	And when somebody's off, we put at the top of it like Carl off or Dan off or whatever it is.
	And we've got an editor called Jack, and I giggle every single time he has a day off.
	And I open the calendar and it just says Jack off at the top of it.
	I giggle.
	I don't know if I'm the only one who does that or whether there's just murmured giggling throughout the office every time somebody.
	But you know, this guy's got to carry that around all the time.
	Some, I don't have pictures.
	With the G as well, it's like a New York accent or something as well.
	It reminds me of a Jagov.
	A Jagov.
	I think the G is silent.
	Oh, okay.
	You can say the G is silent.
	I can imagine.
	So like Nasher and Nipper and the Bino, that kind of thing.
	That would have been silent if his parents were around.
	Yes.
	I found some other ones which I could not find pictures for.
	So you'll have to take my word for it.
	Sure.
	There was a Kentucky sheriff called Buck Naked.
	Don't mind that one.
	I think I've heard that one before.
	There was in East Sussex, and I did find electoral roll stuff for these next three, but I couldn't find a picture or anything like that, but fair enough.
	So in the 1980s, there was an East Sussex town clerk by the name of Mrs. Fanny Batter.
	That's really embarrassing.
	I mean, that's like tiny cocks embarrassing.
	Like, how could you go through life?
	There was a Dorset.
	How could you?
	There was a Dorset councillor by the name of Councillor Roger Gobbler.
	Could have been worse.
	Could have been Richard.
	But it was Roger Gobbler.
	So I think we led him off.
	And in the complaints department of a council in the 1990s, there was Mrs. C. Minge.
	Deliberately choosing to go by the initial as well, C. Not Catherine Minge, Cathy Minge.
	C. Minge.
	Cutty Minge.
	I'm going to round this one off with, you know, you know, sometimes life deals you know a bit of a rough hand.
	And, you know, you go with the name you've got, you build your brand, you build your business.
	And I have to admire Mr. Johnson, the boat builder, who lent into this and he made this advert, pushing his boat service.
	You've got your sunrise, you caught a prize.
	You, you're mating your Johnson.
	Party nights, summer whites.
	You, your friends, and your Johnson.
	Gooster tales, water trails, you, your kids, and your Johnson.
	Saturday nights, distant lights.
	You, your girl, and your Johnson.
	You and your Johnson.
	A way of life for over 50 years.
	I'm feeling very inspired by that.
	All right, some comments.
	There's a guy in the next town over named Richard Head.
	Yes, his name is Dickie Head, everybody calls him.
	Nevermore says, speaking of name changes, Netanyahu, whose real name is Milikovowski.
	Oh, okay.
	That is Polish pastiness.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	I didn't know that.
	And Sigglestone, can we scroll down on Sigglestone?
	Oh, yeah.
	No.
	Oh, where's he gone?
	Okay, all these names remind me of a joke from Robin Hood Mening Tites.
	Your family changed their name to Latrine.
	Yeah, it used to be Shithouse.
	That's a good change.
	Right.
	Excellent.
	Very much.
	We got some video people.
	Do people in open relationships always look like that?
	I'm being very-As someone black and attractive, I- Like, no shade, obviously.
	I'm sorry, no, because what do you mean by that?
	I don't know why, but I like you.
	Douchebag, polyamorous person here.
	The reason why all poly people look the same to you is because they have the order.
	Take aside your personal feelings about polyamorous people or the decisions they make.
	laughter
	Yeah, well, they certainly showed us.
	Open to everything but raising their own standards.
	I do feel like it really puts the zap on people's head when they're ugly and they realize they're ugly.
	I mean, I'm not saying I'm anything special, right?
	I know I'm like a six.
	It was always a six, so nothing special, just a normal random.
	But if you're badly ugly, you know, you're like you're a two or a three, and you, you, the whole world reconfirms to you every day that you're a two or three.
	I think you're a fine-looking man.
	It must mess with your head though, right?
	Mm.
	It must, like, you would go into different places in your mind about...
	I'm not trying to excuse it or anything, but...
	You know, like the people that will never ever get laid, so they say they're gay.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Sorry, no, I realize I'm giving you nothing back.
	It's just because my head is still sticking last segment.
	Like my name is just a sip of names just recycled on repeat.
	Oh, sorry.
	We're not going to get chucked out of here, are we, Mr. Producer?
	We can read some comments, can't we?
	Yeah, go on a bit on that.
	Go on then, thanks.
	Okay, so from my segment, Lord and Quister Hex says, giving Trump the Noble Peace Prize would immediately shut Obama up about his, and I think Trump wants that.
	I mean, maybe, but it's a lot to do just to own Obama, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he is.
	Michael Drabelwis says, Obama got the Peace Prize for not being George Bush.
	Obama had no achievements prior or even during his presidency.
	Yep, very true.
	Lancelot, ah, Knight of the Realm, good to see you.
	I'm surprised Donald simply hasn't created his own Trump Peace Prize.
	That does feel like the way to go about that.
	Do that.
	Yeah.
	Like the Obama meme where it's just him giving himself a medal.
	Medal of honor, but with Trump.
	And then Sophie Liv says, I would absolutely take a knighthood, just like an insistent people call me Lady Sophia of Daneland.
	Well, actually, you'd be Dame Sophia of Daneland.
	The Dame of the Danes, Sophia.
	I'd quite like to pull a Lawrence of Arabia.
	I'll turn up to the palace.
	Yeah.
	I'll let Charles pin it on me.
	And the second his hand comes away, just take it off, drop it on the floor and walk out.
	Now you can keep your medal.
	What I love about that story as well is apparently George V took that in quite good humour.
	But the Queen Alexandra was seething.
	It's just like, you're not going to take that, are you, George?
	He's like, that's just funny.
	Lawrence didn't actually drop it on the floor, but he just unpinned it from himself immediately.
	Yes.
	Anyway.
	Do you want me to read some comments from Yelpsburg?
	Yeah, if you wouldn't mind.
	Yeah.
	So again, Michael says, if Trump was on the list, it would have been leaked by Meritless Garland or any number of the members of the press corps.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	I feel like Trump, if I had to, again, put money on it, I've got no real insight.
	I would have thought Trump was one of those people that had met Epstein a number of times, knew who he was, even like maybe not a close friend, but just like an acquaintance, but yet didn't go to that island and engage in sex crime.
	Didn't go to his house all the time and engage in sex crime.
	I imagine that's what Trump is.
	Elon, like you turn up to a party and Ghelaine Maxwell's there.
	You know who she is.
	She's a famous socialite.
	She's friends with the royal family and the daughter of Robert Maxwell.
	She comes over to you, stands next to you, someone takes a picture.
	Yeah, what are you going to do?
	It doesn't mean anything, does it?
	It doesn't mean anything.
	You didn't do anything wrong.
	I think there'll be a lot of people that that sort of thing applies to.
	I've had that when I've been out and about.
	People wanted to take pictures of me.
	And I'm always thinking, like, well, what if you turn out to be like a school shooter or something next week?
	It was like, this is going to look really bad for me.
	Well, what if your career as a serial killer is exposed at some point?
	They'll be really embarrassed.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, quite.
	Works for you, though, didn't it?
	And getting in the Hope, Not Hate report.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah, it worked out in your favour then.
	Yes, go ahead.
	And then Potato Joe says, there've been 10 years to destroy evidence.
	Saying there's no evidence could literally mean there's no evidence.
	There's that as well.
	I'm sure some will have been destroyed, but we basically had confirmation not long ago that they were looking through evidence.
	Both in the Ghulane case and what Pam Bondi had said suggests that until recently.
	But it's a fair point.
	It's a good point.
	Yes.
	Dan, do you want to go through some of your comments?
	Menako says, I was serving a few years overseas with a Yank officer called Captain Bender, who then got promoted to Major Bender.
	I had to explain to the US med team I was working with why the British contingent were barely holding it back with the promotion of major bender.
	Yeah, I think the Americans are not going to get a lot of this.
	So for example, I mean, I remember working in some city firm and we were doing, not quite a merger, but we were doing a piece of business, a major piece of business with a US firm.
	And the American contingent come over and we're kind of lining up and meeting all of them.
	And we're going down, shaking hands and stuff.
	And we get to one guy and he just introduced himself as BJ.
	Oh, yeah.
	And all of us Brits are like, come again, mate.
	Yeah.
	Hi, I'm BJ.
	And it's just like, and all the Americans were just stony faced, like, yeah, his name's BJ.
	What?
	What?
	So anyway.
	It was an MMA fighter.
	What is it?
	BJ Penn?
	BJ Penn, yeah.
	They don't get it.
	It's like, yeah, what's wrong with that?
	Going with that.
	Perfectly fine.
	The guy who sung Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head, his name was BJ Thomas.
	Yes.
	Nortonish.
	I don't know if they got our segment at all, but anyway.
	Just reminds me of the biggest dicker scene in life of Brian.
	Yeah, but that's mild compared to some of these.
	But like, no matter how many times I watch that scene, it's never not funny.
	I still laugh at it as much as I did the first time I watched it.
	There must be some people out there called John Thomas as well.
	Did you not find any actual John Thomases?
	To be honest, after a couple of hours, I had enough.
	Okay.
	I had enough.
	Fair deals.
	Annie Eamos says Hookers were named after the people following General Hooker in the Civil War.
	That's right.
	I know where Hooker comes from.
	It's to do with Joseph Hooker.
	So there was one city, I can't remember where it was in the South, whether it was Richmond.
	It wouldn't have been Richmond.
	It was somewhere else in the South.
	And the Union take it, and all the promiscuous women of the night, they were just being extremely rude and abusive, if not mildly violent, to some of the soldiers.
	And Joseph Hooker says, if I catch any woman doing that, I'm going to sort of treat you with sort of military severeness.
	Like, you're going to be in big trouble if not sort of hung or whatever, if I see you throwing tiles off a roof at our soldiers or anything like that.
	It's probably bad.
	And I think from then on, they were known as hookers after Joseph Hooker.
	I might be wrong about that.
	Maybe that is...
	And that'll be the 1860s.
	So it wasn't, if that's true, it wasn't a thing before the 1860s.
	I think I saw somebody in the chat whiz by saying something like, originally hookers was people who hooked bits of stone off lakes or something like that.
	Maybe something like that.
	AZ Desert Rest says, my paternal grandmother's name was Bona.
	My sister had a teacher try to convince her it was French and pronounced Bonnet.
	Oh, classic.
	Yeah, no, it wasn't.
	Mrs. Bucket.
	It's bouquet vicar.
	Yes.
	Yeah, the classic bouquet banquet.
	And that Texas girl says, I appreciate the more light-hearted podcast today amidst the doom and gloom.
	Yes.
	Well, for my part, I can only apologise for that last segment.
	Yes.
	Yes, well, anyway, that's all we've got time for today, ladies and gentlemen.
	Thank you for joining us.
	You can catch us at 1 p.m. tomorrow on the podcast.

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