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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1195

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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1195 for Thursday the 26th of June 2025.
	I'm your host Luca, joined today by Bo and Stephen.
	Good morning.
	And today we're going to be talking all about Palestine action getting prescribed, getting what they deserve.
	We're also going to talk about New York kind of also getting what it deserved with a new Sadiq, its own Sadiq Khan.
	And then we're going to wrap up by talking about the independent task force, looking at what's causing all of the social unrest and riots in the UK.
	Yep, we are.
	Yes.
	Independence is clear.
	Yes.
	Just happens to be staffed by everyone in the establishment, that's all.
	But other than that, it's independent.
	Anyway, Bo, tell us about these terrorists.
	Okay, yeah, well, yeah, talk a little bit.
	Well, it's his second.
	All right.
	We'll talk a little bit about Palestine action and the government's response and the whole world or Britain at least, our response to it.
	It's interesting how revealing it is what people think about the topic, about the issue.
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	Alright, so Palestine action.
	What did they actually do?
	What have they actually done?
	Well, let's have a quick look.
	This is in RAF Briars Norton, the biggest RAF station in Britain, in Oxfordshire, southern England.
	Spraying loads of red paint into the engine.
	I want to turn the volume off.
	Spray loads of paint into the engine of the...
	I think we've only got two of them.
	They're quite rare.
	We haven't got a giant fleet of them and they're absolutely vital for sort of projecting power across the world.
	So it is part of our defence and foreign policy.
	A little pink carrier bag there.
	So that was one of the things they did.
	What are they on?
	A little e-scooter things.
	E-scooters?
	All the drugs involved in that.
	So before we go on to do any sort of analysis, just say what happened.
	So they crept onto RF Brys Norton, onto the actual airstrip there, and did what they did, and then left, got away without being caught or apprehended.
	How?
	That's the question, isn't it?
	And it was only, I think, when they posted their own clip, because they're filming themselves here, obviously.
	It was only when they posted it that the powers that be, the police, the RF, Bryce Norton, the Home Office, or whatever, Ministry of Defence, like, oh, really?
	It was you.
	Yeah.
	If you go down to Brysonorton today, you know, they didn't know.
	So do we know how many, you know, soldiers, men were staffing just on guard all time?
	Well, okay, well, I was going to leave that element till last.
	Oh, no.
	No, no, no, let's talk about that now.
	Let's talk about that now.
	So, first of all, my first reaction when I heard about this was exactly that.
	How is that possible?
	Even really small RAF bases are heavily guarded whenever I've seen them.
	Primitive fences, double primitive fences, guys on sentry, the whole nine yards.
	So RF Briars Norton, how have they done that?
	It's a great question.
	I don't know.
	I'm not sure anyone.
	Because they've got an HR manager now in charge and they had to do all their diversity training that night.
	Well, this is the person who's ultimately the commander of the station.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Still, after all this.
	No further comment.
	I mean, she's obviously not responsible personally for the perimeter.
	But the buck stops with her, I should do.
	But she is.
	She's in charge.
	Yeah, right.
	Where are the men, the women, and the others that are guarding it?
	Yeah.
	It is crazy to me.
	It's so crazy that it's suspicious.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Good.
	There's that angle to bear in mind.
	They let them get on.
	Did they?
	I don't know.
	But hang on a minute.
	What is their possibility, isn't it?
	A couple of things.
	If they got on under e-scooters, which I think, you know, okay, they weren't too noisy in a big airport like that that's silent at night.
	But what if they'd had a couple of bombs?
	Exactly, yeah.
	What if they'd got something else that was in there?
	What if they were just trying to transport something to another country?
	Or if they put a delayed reaction box blew up midair or something.
	Yes.
	It's worrying.
	How would no one know if they've just got a win?
	Then they post it a few days later, this is what we've done.
	And let alone perimeters and sentries and pickets and all that sort of thing.
	How is that bit of ground not got multiple cameras on it at all times?
	And at least one person, if not many people, watching the CCTV at all times?
	How is that not the case?
	Yeah.
	There's so many different things that don't add up.
	Yeah, I'm not enjoying this excuse other than that she should be fired now she's in charge.
	Absolutely, yeah.
	So just quickly to finish up on the point of, you know, it's suspicious where they're allowed in or whatever.
	You know, is this a false flag?
	One possibility is that these are just straight up Palestine action dudes.
	The second is that maybe Palestine action has been infiltrated by another MI5 special branch, one of our own mob.
	Well, there's a couple of different angles I thought of.
	One is that they could be Jewish or pro-Zionist, and their ultimate aim was to get Palestine action prescribed.
	Or not even 4D chess, 5D chess, actually like British MI5 or whatever.
	But then it gets quite murky at that point.
	So what was their ultimate aim?
	Well, what happened to Palestine Action Group?
	That's the ultimate aim.
	To get them prescribed, still.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Not to draw out nativists' ire.
	No?
	No.
	Just get them prescribed.
	Possibly.
	I mean, obviously, I don't know.
	I've got no special insight into the inner work, the inner sanctums of Palestine action.
	Anyone interviewed the two bikists yet?
	Not that I'm aware of.
	Got their names on.
	Not that I'm aware of.
	Anyone announced who they are?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Yeah, I haven't got...
	We're now acting like proper journalists.
	You know that, don't we?
	also uh there's another thing they did oh and yet and the damage the damages um One was £15 million worth of damage.
	Someone else said it was £50 million.
	Whatever it is, it's multiple millions worth of damage.
	So they've probably got to replace that entire turbine, I would have thought.
	And so one thing to say is, okay, on one end of the spectrum, to be as nice to them as possible, not that I'm that way inclined, is that it's just criminal damage.
	Very, very large criminal damage.
	It's no more than criminal damage.
	On the other end of the spectrum, you could say it's sedition, treason.
	It's among the worst countries that you're actually messing with military assets.
	I mean, that's pretty bad.
	At minimum, it's also trespassing as well.
	At minimum, yeah.
	I mean, this is the sort of thing.
	I don't want to be too hyperbolic about it.
	It's the sort of thing special forces would do.
	You go to an enemy airbase, infiltrate it late at night, and ruin their aircraft while they're still on the ground.
	That's a classic special forces.
	Special Forces e-scooter division.
	With a pink carrier bag.
	Yeah, just seeing Banksy getting down onto all the Iranian planes and put a picture of a mullah with freedom written across his chest.
	That upset them more.
	Another thing they did, though, was they did this.
	I turned the volume off on that.
	Let's play this because they did some other criminal things.
	Actually, let's hear the sound.
	samson can you put the sound on it Just running them off.
	Anyway, you get the point.
	They're running around that facility, which was apparently they made this company, whatever they were, they were involved in making components for Israelis.
	Something along those lines, something that was anti-Palestine, anti-Gaza.
	But they went in there and doing, again, on one end of the spectrum, just criminal damage.
	On the other end of the spectrum, you know, it's an affront to the very rule of law itself.
	You can't go around doing that.
	No, you can't.
	You can't.
	And nor can you put videos like that with really stupid music on it.
	I mean, that's it.
	You know, it's giving the game away.
	My personal opinion is that these are just fifth columnists.
	I would go so far as to call them terroristic.
	I mean, obviously they're not killing anyone.
	No, they're not.
	And they're not bombing children in a pop concert.
	Right.
	I give it that.
	But they are acting like a fifth column.
	And they also have no musical taste.
	I think even drum and bass would probably have been a little bit better with the smashing things up there.
	Maybe their friends in Brixton would have been saying that's culturally not acceptable.
	You're stealing the culture.
	But at the end of the day, these people need to be dealt with when they're doing proper criminal actions like that.
	Anyway, you cut it is certainly criminal, isn't it?
	Without a doubt.
	Without a doubt.
	At the higher end of the level.
	Yeah, right.
	But I do take the point, though.
	You're drawing that sedition, that moving across to the terrorism element when you're destroying the infrastructure that's due to protect our nation.
	If it was the IRA doing it, we'd certainly be saying that's terrorism.
	they're very close to the line if not already across that line.
	It's a difficult one, though.
	There is a grey area around what is the exact definition of terrorism, because us on the right side of the aisle, we get accused of being right-wing extremists or even terrorists for even thought crimes, isn't it?
	So it is sort of a grey area.
	Again, it's non-violent in terms of sort of human-on-human violence, but it's highly, highly criminal stuff.
	It is.
	In my opinion, I mean...
	I think probably one reason why they think they can get away with just what they might regard as bland criminal damage is because they're seeing any time an organisation that's doing criminal damage, they're now being let off by the courts, in effect.
	Even those when they got sentenced to prison for just stop oil, they were then released afterwards saying that they shouldn't have gone to prison.
	So maybe they've got that in their calculations.
	A lot of institutional sympathy for things like this.
	Yeah, quite possibly.
	So security reasons like yourself should be properly addressed to it.
	I just feel like going on to an army, RF Bryce Norton and damaging military assets, it's about as seditious as you can get without hurting people.
	I mean, I don't know the rules on bases like that, but weren't they also taking their lives in their hands?
	What if someone had shot them?
	Possibly, yeah.
	What if they'd opened fire?
	Yeah.
	Thinking that they were some sort of Iranian terrorist, you know, Russian terrorist or Chinese terrorist or just terrorists from Brixton.
	It's extremely brazen.
	That's why I'm keeping saying Brixton.
	Brixton's getting me into trouble now.
	They have a reputation, don't they?
	It's extremely brazen, isn't it?
	To attempt that Brys Norton op.
	Oh, yeah.
	Very, very brazen.
	I mean, as I say, it's in the category of special forces thing.
	They got away with it.
	No one noticing until they posted it.
	It's embarrassing.
	I'm still stunned by that.
	It's embarrassing.
	I'm still stunned by that.
	I'm highly embarrassed by that.
	Yeah, yeah, I am.
	As an Englishman, right?
	It's like, oh, dear.
	Oh, dear, oh, dear.
	Yeah, well, we've got one of the most secure nations in the world.
	And what does that signal to, you know, outside adversaries?
	Yeah.
	That's how easy it is to break into our air bases.
	A couple of jabronis on an e-scooter can do that.
	I've got a minute, weren't they?
	They were.
	Just got off Channel Mike, it's giving a delivery rule and they got it wrong.
	What if there were an actual sort of military trained sleeper cell that did something similar and they could have just bombed all they could have blown up all the aeroplanes that evening, couldn't they?
	That is a fair dangerous point that it could have done.
	Okay, so government response.
	Our home secretary, Yvette Cooper, Mrs. Balls, has come out and said, Ms. Balls has come out and said that she wants to, or they're going to, apparently, prescribe them, ban them.
	Now, I'm all for that.
	Yeah, ban them, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, this is a fifth column in our mix.
	It's an enemy inside the gates.
	Ban them, please, yes.
	Now, it's revealing how different people feel about that because there are all sorts of arguments of, you know, like that's authoritarian.
	If they will do it to them, they can do it to us.
	They already do that sort of thing.
	Our discussion pre-show is my initial reaction to banning any organization is something that we on the right should be very careful about assessing and agreeing to.
	Only because if they're willing to do that to the left, they're going to treat us even worse and look to ways that they can ban us, just in a way that they can use the law to enhance sentences, for example, or restrict you from being on channels or close you down.
	So my initial gut reaction is don't ban, find a way of some other strong way of sending out a message that they can't act in that way.
	The key point here is whether drawing that line that you've put is are they terrorists?
	And you could be, I'm beginning to think differently about whether they are.
	You're putting a point across to me that's making my mind move towards the sedition element.
	Well, if I may, I was just going to say that I think that, you know, implicit in the name is obviously the cause that they, you know, care about.
	And, you know, from my point of view, the terroristic aspect of this is just the sabotaging of Britain and its means to fight, right?
	It's not Britain's actual view on foreign policy, right?
	Because that doesn't define your identity.
	But certainly, yeah, breaking into a military base and hampering Britain's ability to fight, should it need to, that is, you know, and having that political input, that is where the terroristic aspect comes from.
	It's a very great word, sabotage.
	Yeah.
	But let's be fair, military-grade sabotage.
	I think that's where you're drawing me into the fact that I think it's the military-grade sabotage of something that actually is used to protect us.
	Not the crossing of the fence in itself.
	Not about being ridiculous, she's showing us up and embarrassing us for not having any security.
	But the military-grade denouement, I think, is really something that could be that.
	What is she saying then?
	Where's she going with this?
	Well, apparently they are, I think in the next day or two, they're going to get prescribed.
	That's what all the articles are saying.
	I think as of right now, as of recording, they're still not prescribed, but they're going to be in a day or two.
	Certainly, Sir Keir's government took a dim view of it.
	Although, not that strong.
	I mean, he did come out and condemn it and say this is unacceptable, blah, blah, blah.
	But his rhetoric was much stronger against the Southport writers.
	Remember when he said, he looked into the camera, I guarantee you, you will regret this.
	All that stuff.
	He didn't say he wasn't that strong.
	No.
	Ah, okay.
	So his two-tier nature is coming back out.
	But still, it looks like they are going to be prescribed.
	So, I mean, I'm all for it because, as you say, it's a slippery slope, thin end of the wedge.
	If they prescribe them, they'll go on to prescribe others, including us.
	But it does depend what you've done.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So us or new culture forums say or even patriotic alternative, they're not going around doing military-grade sabotage.
	We're not actually committing any crimes.
	No.
	So, you know, let's make a distinction.
	But I might come into that when we do my piece.
	Let's park that because I think what you're saying there is a very interesting element of how they might try and find ways to get us.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Whether these guys get prescribed or not, that would still be the case, wouldn't it?
	Oh, absolutely.
	I'm always worried about that.
	And the other aspect about it is just...
	Did Keir Starmer defend a group of people that went onto a military base?
	Maybe the audience knows that.
	Did he defend them?
	What was this?
	What you talk about specifically?
	Keir Starmer, when he was a lawyer, did he not defend the actions of a group of people that did something similar on a base?
	And whether this is just something that just sprung to my mind, but I'm certain he did defend somebody like that.
	I don't know about that.
	Maybe our audience can pick that up for us.
	I did read an article last week.
	It sounds like the sort of thing he would do, doesn't it?
	Certainly.
	Isn't he therefore in a real slippery slope to ban these people when he acted for them in courts last time?
	Nice one.
	Funny, you do wear a different hat when you're a prosecutor or even the head of the CPS or whether you're the head of government.
	I'm not trying to play defense for Kiostama, but still, yeah, I'm happy that they would be banned.
	Whether you want to say they are a full-blown terror group or whatever, still, they're running around ignoring the rule of law at a military grade.
	You can't have that.
	We can't have that.
	The other interesting aspect is the terror element.
	I mean, their argument, I'm assuming, is that they're not causing terror to any individual.
	But I'm trying to work now, remember, again, a terrorist act.
	I don't think you need to actually have some kind of fear of individuals, do you?
	It's not like, you know, it's a terrorist act when you're being attacked by an individual on the street.
	But I think the extension of that is something different.
	Isn't it the preparation also of activities that could lead to terror?
	They've prosecuted, not that I'm happy with this or condoning this, but they prosecute people under anti-terror laws for all sorts of stuff, right?
	All sorts of stuff.
	If you're just being a bit of a nuisance on the street, the police will detain you under anti-terrorism laws.
	So, again, not that I'm happy about that, let's be clear, but that is, yeah, the police and the state already use these laws way beyond their original purpose.
	Which is where I come into, I'm happy to see action taken against Palestinian action or Palestine action.
	But when they're starting extending the Terrorist Act, I do get a little bit worried about how you're raising some early points.
	If they're already using it on legitimate individuals for just protest, our concern is there for where we are in our arguments.
	Because at the end of the day, we're right.
	They're wrong.
	But I mean, you know, not that I'm being projected, but I am.
	I mean, I've seen body cam or people with their phone just in the street.
	And they're basically being a bit of a nuisance one way or another, whether legitimately or not, to the policeman.
	There we go.
	Who sabotaged military aircraft?
	Way back, don't know where I dragged that one out of.
	Yeah, good memory.
	Good memory, yeah.
	20 plus years ago.
	Yeah, it is a long time ago.
	It is a long time ago.
	I remember.
	He was in Doughty Street Chambers, I think, at the time.
	So the Fairford 5, that's who it was.
	2003.
	Oh, yeah, Fairford.
	And did they, I think they crossed into Fairford's airbase as well.
	So this creates a kind of like interesting issue for him.
	Because I would be on the attack line with this.
	I mean, call me old-fashioned, but I feel like anyone that goes in a military zone where normal civilians aren't meant to go, that's quite a bad crime.
	That's like, to me, that's levels above normal trespassing.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I mean, it's one thing to put illegal migrants in there.
	It's another thing for an ordinary member of the public.
	That's right, of course.
	We're not allowed to put them in.
	That would be awful.
	So I did have another link where it showed that they've got you can donate money to them for their defence.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah, some are saying apparently the Home Office itself is saying that there's an Iran or an Iranian link to this group, whether that's true or not, because there's other articles, other people saying that's just not true.
	That's a misinformation, disinformation thing.
	That's the Home Office just coming out with liars.
	But they're saying that is the case.
	Yeah, funded by Iran.
	And then the protest on Monday in Whitehall there.
	You can see that's just outside down the street, I believe.
	Certainly Whitehall, isn't it?
	Or Trafalgar Square.
	A few people were arrested.
	Seven or ten or thirteen people were arrested at that.
	So it wasn't peaceful.
	But if you look at the police there again, not dressed in black, not got helmets on, not got stun guns, not got batons, all very peaceable towards them in that way.
	Yeah, we're all on a line.
	You'd have to expect them to get down on one knee and kneel with them in that kind of performance.
	If it was a march for England or a protest against mass immigration, I can guarantee that police and the way that they're dressed and the approach with them, they'd have horses out there.
	Oh, there'd have a lot of people.
	The mounted police, the whole nine yards.
	Yep, certainly would.
	Some MPs are still coming out in support of it.
	Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn.
	Of course.
	Of course they are.
	Of course they're in support of the domestic fifth column.
	Of course they are.
	Why not be?
	The thing is as well, just to say about people like Abbott and Corbyn, right?
	They'll dress this up and masquerade it as, well, you know, it's just, yeah, some of them might have gone onto an airbase, but you can't condemn all of them, you know, like that.
	They're really just peaceful protesters.
	But you know, if these people, if Corbyn was Prime Minister, he will crack down on right-wing people for doing far less egregious things, right?
	So it's not the principle of it.
	It's just friend-enemy distinction.
	That's right.
	And it's a very clear point because when we looked at Southport, which we'll look again briefly later on, did they distinguish until much later all the people that were in the kind of protests?
	No, we were all far-right xenophobes and racists at the time of the riots.
	And afterwards, no, there were some decent people campaigning.
	That came later.
	The first initial reaction of this lot would be to anyone on the right is that their evil xenophobe racists locked them all up.
	And it wouldn't be the distinction he's drawing out.
	It's a good point.
	Well, there's been very few enemies of Britain that Corbyn hasn't been in favour of or advocated for his entire career.
	Very few.
	Zara Sultana said, we are all Palestine action.
	Are we?
	Are we, Zara?
	Are we, though?
	I don't even know what the symbol is to be with them in one.
	I don't know.
	I don't even move my body in a little bit just in case that they Turned off replies, though.
	Of course.
	Oh, yeah.
	Even her own constituents.
	We're all Palestine, and to show our solidarity, I'm blocking any comments.
	Well, if we're all Palestine, surely it would just be a sea of agreement and praise, Zara.
	Yeah.
	Oh, Navarro.
	Again, it is telling how people fall down on one side or the other on this issue.
	The lefties, Navarro Melia here, for example, they've got their knickers in a twist all about it.
	They were just saying it's just non-violent direct action.
	That's all it is.
	It's certainly not terrorism.
	I think the swinging of that hammer or whatever into that piece of machinery, that was not really non-violent.
	Not non-violent.
	That's not sitting down and singing, come by Palestine on the floor with crossed legs.
	I mean, it's clearly non-violent direct action, not terrorism.
	Okay, bro.
	normal definition of the word.
	I completely agree with you, Michael, but I'm Of course you do.
	Yeah.
	It's just a little bit of criminal damage, bro.
	Just like theft from a shop.
	You know, taking three bags of theft, it's just enough for dinner.
	Yeah, it's just people, I mean, they'll say the exact same about us or about me.
	Of course you think it's terrorism.
	Of course you do.
	Well, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, we do.
	Okay.
	And for once, the government agrees with me.
	Yeah.
	Even Yvette Cooper agrees with me.
	Yeah, we're swinging to the right.
	We're swinging to right and better be afraid.
	Okay, so that's sort of where we are at the moment.
	If there are any more developments with it, we'll probably bring them to you.
	But it's a story that's been going on for a few days now.
	We're going to bring it to you earlier in the week.
	But yeah, there you go.
	Great.
	Pretty cool.
	I've learned a bit on that today.
	Thank you.
	Okay, shall I just read, you've just got one comment.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Yeah.
	So a drunk changeling says the airstrike on Iran was non-violent because they just caused property damage.
	That's a good point.
	It is a good point.
	No one died, so it's fine.
	Riddle me this, Batman.
	We like some of the comments when they come in like that at times.
	All right, then.
	So you may have heard that over the weekend, well, let's put it this way.
	I was only just really first hearing about all this out from New York and the potential of a new mayor for the city of New York.
	Frankly, a mayor that they deserve.
	You know, I suppose we all in a way get the politicians we vote for and we deserve.
	And if you keep voting for the ones that will screw you over and betray you, then you're going to get screwed over and betrayed.
	However, if you are a woke hellhole like New York, then don't be surprised when eventually you end up with a mayor who is in every way an avatar of the politics of that city, right?
	So before I move on with all of that, though, I just want to tell you that we have a new show for the Lotus Eaters, which is Firas Modad's Real Politique.
	I can tell you that this is a really, really good news series where Firas explores all of the geopolitical stories and situations of the day.
	If you scroll down on this, you'll see nothing but praise from people who have watched it so far.
	So if you're interested in geopolitics, you can sign up for £5 a month, less than a pint in this day and age, a pint a month, and you can go and watch his show.
	So, I'll start here.
	No, I won't, because apparently that's...
	No, you can do it.
	All right.
	Aha.
	Oh, I see.
	Right, okay.
	still learning.
	So this is Let me just not use for these foreign names.
	It's a man.
	Yeah, Zoran Kwame Mamdani.
	Traditional white Anglo-Saxon Protestant name.
	You know, obviously from traditional America.
	He's clearly a wasp.
	He is a wasp.
	Definitely a wasp.
	New Englander through.
	New England.
	Massachusetts, man.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But the interesting thing about Zoran is that there were a lot of people online, and I'll get to it later, saying, oh, he's because he's a Muslim.
	Oh, he's an Islamist, he's an Islamist.
	Honestly, he doesn't seem to be, right?
	It's not the Islam side of him that's actually as worrying in this particular state.
	It's more the fact that every single factor of his pedicree seems to be defined by communism.
	Right, it's to do with the fact that his Is that where his father's from then?
	No, so this, I was never quite able to understand it.
	So Zoran and his father, right, are from Uganda.
	Okay.
	It's all Indian heritage, but they're from Uganda.
	His father was a Marxist professor in Uganda, is really how core India.
	Wasn't his dad born in India, then moved to Uganda though?
	Not as well.
	And his mother was as well.
	Yes, and they've lived in the United States and moved to New York when Zoran turned seven.
	But he only became a American citizen about seven years ago.
	Right.
	Okay, so ethnically he's Indian or from the subcontinent or somewhere.
	Yes.
	Was born and raised for a bit in Uganda.
	And only in the last seven years has he actually become a full US citizen.
	Yes.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Right.
	And he's a Muslim.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	He's as American as a get though, which I don't see why you're not getting this.
	As American as Thomas Jefferson.
	Yeah.
	So I wanted to, this is his campaigning website, and I went through some of these, and they're just absolutely brilliant.
	I just particularly, before I begin, I want to draw your attention to the bottom one.
	Trump-proofing New York City.
	So it's going to become a bit like London with Sadiq Khan, right?
	It's going to become, New York is just going to become this citadel of wokery and globalism that's just going to fight against, obviously in our case, you know, the British state and London are one in the same.
	But in this position, he's looking at Washington, he's looking at Trump administration and saying, no, I'm going to incubate New York and protect it from all of, well, let's just say the actual nationally felt, you know, feelings of America at this time in its history.
	You've got plans to literally physically demolish Trump Tower.
	Or maybe even seed.
	The thing is, of course, New York is...
	Always, always firmly Democrat.
	But it's also Trump's hometown.
	There are loads of pro-Trump people in New York still.
	Oh, yeah.
	Plenty, plenty.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So just not enough to make a difference, not enough to make the numbers.
	And so I just wanted to focus on a few things from this, which is that as mayor, Zorang will immediately freeze the rent for all stabilised tenants and use every available resource to build the housing New Yorkers need and bring down the rent.
	Well, again, it's a bit like the England thing.
	Who are the houses for?
	Because a lot of people have been fleeing New York in recent years.
	And so who are all the new arrivals all of a sudden?
	The thing is, with anything like that, any sort of when you dabble with economics like that, the supply and demand, sort of centralized economy type measures, like price fixing or anything like that, or just trying to fix rents and things, it can never work long term.
	It's been tried loads and loads of times throughout history to try and fix prices.
	How did it do for Diocletian, Beau, as a fan of ancient history?
	It didn't work out very well.
	It didn't work for Diocletian.
	Did he have rent-stabilized apartments that he was just trying to manage at the time?
	Diocletian.
	Yeah, just want to have a portfolio of buy-to-lets and he was just letting them all out and he had to be stabilized.
	Whenever actual communists do it, like in Maoist China or something, or in the Soviet Union or Cuba or wherever, it won't work.
	It's so forced and fake that in the end, markets will just break through anyway.
	Like you can't...
	I've been to Cuba three or four times.
	I didn't know that.
	Yeah, no, no.
	I deliberately wanted to see the place before he died and then what happened after he died.
	And one of the very clear things that you see about the accommodation there, the housing, they have some beautiful apartments that you'd seen along with what's called the Mallison, which is over a mile and a half of these amazing buildings, all coloured, all built in the right period of history, looking out over this great bay.
	Dilapidated, falling apart, dirty, filthy.
	And that's what happens if you take the market out of it.
	Now, I agree that if the market was allowed to flourish, literally no one who lived in that city would be able to afford those within a short period of time because they'd all be renovated and sold off at a million pounds a time because that's what happens across the whole globe, sadly.
	But the opposite end of it is lots of families are living in there, but they've got no washing machines, you know, electricity's falling down all the time, building doors, and you can see it.
	You can see the sheer poverty in the buildings.
	That's the sort of thing that he'll bring to 2 million non-stabilized apartments.
	You want New York to look like Havana?
	dilapidated and crumbling.
	Well, it's very telling, isn't it, that when he was seven, his parents didn't decide to move to Cuba.
	No, they didn't.
	No, they decided to move to New York City.
	Right.
	Which, shockingly, to the surprise of no one, its prosperity was not built on communism.
	Didn't his daddy get a nice job in a university which was pretty well paid, not in the kind of Cuban communist style to be able to do that?
	I'll get onto that actually.
	Yeah, where his education was and what he did there.
	So Zoran will create the Department of Community Safety to prevent violence before it happens by prioritising solutions which have been consistently shown to improve safety.
	The police will play a critical role, but essentially I'll just skip over the whole thing.
	We're going to have more mental health programmes, presumably more youth centers as well.
	And it's just one of those things.
	And yeah, what's this?
	Increase funding to hate violence prevention programmes by 800%.
	Prevent violence before it happens.
	It's like pre-COGs.
	Yeah, I just think it's just a movie that was coming into my mind at the time.
	Or the Department of Community Safety puts me in mind of sort of the French Revolution.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Let's say public public safety.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What evidence-based non-violence or gun violence prevention programmes, or any violence prevention programmes that we know that actually has prevented violence?
	Ideology.
	Yeah.
	If you're just ideological enough.
	Yeah, if we say it long enough and loud enough, violence hasn't occurred.
	When it's happening right in front of us and someone's smashing their faces in, we don't actually see it.
	There's no violence there because I ideologically believe that the program's worked.
	I mean, this is madness.
	But this is the thing.
	His entire platform is basically fueled by ideology, right?
	He's just obviously a man from the same vein of his father.
	You know, he never put down the crayons and stopped with the socialism.
	What does he sound like when...
	Oh, he does?
	Yeah, his accent is American.
	But I suppose what I'll do, rather than you get the idea as to what sort of man he is, I'll just talk a little bit about this.
	So his mother, yes, of New York City's Muslim socialist mayoral candidate declares he's not an American at all.
	Now, this is from an interview that she gave about a decade ago, but it really does just show.
	Says he's a total Desi, completely, completely.
	We are not Firangs at all.
	He is very much us.
	He is not, he's not American at all.
	And for those of us who are English and American, they've explained here what these words and terms actually mean.
	So he's basically saying he's totally an outsider, totally an outsider.
	He's born in Uganda, raised between India and America.
	He's at home in many places.
	He thinks of himself as a Ugandan and as an Indian.
	You see, if you were to ask Donald Trump where he feels home is, I imagine he only actually has one answer to that.
	Whereas this guy is an obvious nomad.
	A real nowhere man.
	Yeah.
	Living in his nowhere land.
	Yeah, that's quite...
	Do you remember?
	Who was our Tory Prime Minister who was an Indian man?
	Rishi Sunak.
	Rishi Sunak.
	Like his family basically said, yeah, we're Indian people.
	Yeah, we're Indians, yeah.
	And proud of it, obviously.
	And the establishment went, no, you're British.
	Yeah, no, you're not.
	You're just as British as me.
	That's right.
	And I often come to this, okay, where would Zoran be if America declared war on Uganda and or India and he had to put on a uniform?
	Would he fight?
	I was asked that question.
	Let's see what their answer is.
	And when it's watched their sliminess as they try and evade doing the answer, and that shows where their reality is.
	So naturally, this all sounded like sunshine and rainbows to Bernie, and he immediately got Bernie Sanders' endorsement.
	I gotta say, looking at him as well, he looks like he's doing a bit of an impression of weekend at Bernie's.
	If you ask me, he's not looking.
	I was just saying, he's beginning to look more like Corbyn or Corbyn's beginning to look more like him each day.
	Bernie, you can just retire.
	Just retire, man.
	Yeah, it does look like Corbyn in a centrifuge pulling 9 Gs.
	So this is from a while ago, as you can see, but it turns out that Zoran was just a major fan of the Indian Communist Party.
	Gross.
	Just his total city needs right now.
	Me.
	Where is he in that?
	Oh, no, he's just saying that that's his politics.
	That politics is what New York needs in order to get its act together.
	Safer streets, cleaner neighborhoods, less crime, all of that.
	Where does he see that in India?
	Safer streets, less crime, apart from the closed-off areas where the MPs live, which have military police on the entry gates.
	Unless you're in the blocked-off areas of the super-rich in Mumbai, they're able to go down to their really expensive holidays and they holiday abroad.
	So maybe that's the sort of India he wants to bring to New York.
	In closed areas, blocked by police, loving beautiful gardens and being able to spend £100 on a glass of wine or something in a nearby hotel.
	It's interesting, though, because New York is famously sort of, it is really a bit of a melting pot, isn't it?
	So the Indian section of New York City's population isn't by any means overwhelming.
	There'll be lots of other people that don't identify as Indian Americans or just straight up Indians, guesses, whatever it is.
	Now, why would they lend him their support?
	Why would they, if you're an African American living in New York or you're an Italian American living in New York, isn't he an anathema to you?
	You'd be like, well, I'm not voting for this guy.
	He's a partisan for Indians.
	I'm not an Indian.
	I'm an Italian or Hungarian or whatever it is.
	Yeah, sure.
	Polak, that's probably racist.
	Polish.
	Why would they want him?
	I don't know.
	And I think what they're doing is New York's always had these kind of sects, the groups, the kind of organizations of the LGB organizations, the Democrat wealth, for example, of business and those who are working in New York, those who identify with the black community, for example.
	And so they have these coalitions.
	And I assume that they think that these coalitions all regard him as being the great leader to come and one who can challenge for the presidency.
	That's why I imagine that he's got his seven years ago that he decided out of the blue that he's going to become an American citizen so that he can push this through.
	Although I don't think he can be.
	I think he has to be ball on U.S. soil, don't you?
	But certainly there'll be a campaign.
	If he's mayor, he could become governor.
	The governor's really powerful.
	And between Chicago and New York, they are the two power bases of who controls effectively the kind of democratic elites and who gets through the major routes up to becoming the challenger for the president.
	Especially because, you know, people like him and AOC, even though, you know, she's dropped off a bit, you know, they are the younger end of the Democrat Party.
	I think he certainly couldn't ever be president.
	That's why Arnie could never be president or why Elon can never be president.
	So there's that at least.
	Yeah.
	But you see here as well, again, this is an old one.
	Queer liberation means defund the police, right?
	So back during the whole BLM thing, he was totally for defunding the police.
	Now, obviously, he's toned, moderated the rhetoric a bit.
	But this is what he believes.
	You know, this is what he can say what he wants.
	But this is, you know, when he felt like the entire political winds were behind him, this is the honest opinion, right?
	Everyone that advocated for defund the police, every single one of them, is an enemy.
	Yeah.
	Is an enemy of civil society, is an enemy of the rule of law.
	Straightforwardly.
	Well, it's not just the police.
	He also wants to impede ICE and basically make New York a sanctuary for all the illegals that have arrived there to protect them from the evil orange man, of course, as well.
	It's a very good argument then for Steve Miller and the Congress to actually turn around and say that everyone that we capture we're just going to give to New York and you look after yourself.
	And by the way, it's your funding.
	It's nothing to do with you're not getting any Fed funding.
	And that's the weapon that he can do.
	Adams, who's in power at the moment, complained bitterly about the cost to New York of the mass numbers of immigrants that were coming in there.
	So he was crying out for more Fed funding.
	And so there's an element of Fed funding that goes to these.
	They could just restrict it, change the law.
	And you have to go through Congress and Senate to do it.
	But you can isolate the funding from New York and let him have it.
	Or alternatively, let him do it.
	Let him protect them.
	Let him try and stop ICE because then you actually have a reason to arrest him as someone who's not upholding the rule of law, right?
	It's almost dirty Harry, you know, go ahead and meet my day.
	Do it.
	Reach for it.
	Dare me to send in the National Guard or the Marines to stop you from doing it.
	But short of that, if he does turn it into one of those really bad examples of a sanctuary city.
	Well, okay.
	Great.
	So New York City turns into sort of an actual hellscape, like escape from New York style New York City.
	That's terrible.
	That's ridiculous.
	That's a dystopia.
	Gotham.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's going to be like Gotham.
	So in all of this, obviously, it's obvious that we have every reason to dislike this man.
	But I am just going to go through some of the reasons why he does seem to have gotten lots and lots of votes and actually become the.
	He's not.
	I just also, he's not mayor.
	No, that's not till November, is it?
	No, it's not till November.
	But he has won the Democrat primary.
	So he is their candidate.
	And he is quite like.
	He has like 77% chance to win.
	He's going to win.
	He beat the big brother Cuomo, didn't he?
	He beat Cuomo, yeah.
	Disgraced Cuomo.
	Yeah.
	Well, you can see this, though.
	You know, this is just basically an attack from the populist left, right?
	This is, you know, against what they see as the establishment of the Democrat wing.
	And so it's really to do with, as I covered earlier, the cost of rent in New York City, the price of food rising.
	And fortunately, Zoran is very aware of this, and he's going to bring the price of your halal right down.
	New York is suffering from a crisis and it's called Halalflation.
	Today, we're going to get to the bad rush.
	How much does a plate of halal cost right now from this truck?
	$10.
	$10.
	Chicken over Roy, Lamovar Royce.
	$10.
	$10?
	Yeah.
	When you're a street vendor, you have to pay for the food, the plates.
	How much do you have to pay for your permit?
	Before it was $22k.
	$2017,000.
	How much does a license cost if you get it from the city?
	I think $400.
	So I won't play the whole thing.
	You get the idea, right?
	Some of the halal vendors have got a lot of red tape in their way in terms of the permits that they're having to use and everything.
	But is this really...
	It's also something to say.
	It might not be as apparent there, but his whole campaign did have something of a sort of a postmodern, you know, it was very polished, very TikTok-y, very Zoomer-esque.
	And because his mother is Indian American, so just Indian, filmmaker.
	So she's very good at this sort of thing.
	And you get here, but...
	Is it the same music as Palestinian action?
	Well, he would definitely be on Corbyn's side on this issue, I can assure you.
	I just wanted to come back to something that you were saying, Bo, about the fact that all the different types of people that are in New York, right?
	You know, the Italians, the Irish, the Indians, all these different people.
	And you can see here the Leicesteration of New York.
	You've got this one guy saying, Zoran is of Indian origin, yet out of sheer Islamophobia, Hindu groups in New York City campaigned hard against him.
	Now he's going to be mayor, and these groups lost a chance to have a friend in City Hall.
	The bigotry of Hindus is going to be their undoing in India and abroad.
	Sure.
	Right.
	Yeah, sure.
	That's an accurate reflection of reality.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Obviously, as regards to, you know, price freezing of rent, bringing the cost of food down, free childcare throughout the city for all children from, I think it was six months to five years.
	How are you going to pay for all this?
	He's been with Zia Yousuf.
	Tax the rich.
	And he's been with Zia Yousaf and they've been working out together how they manage to get the costings together.
	I mean, they're obviously similar types of plans.
	Very common socialist planning.
	So they're going to put on ice for a moment the eating of the rich so they can tax the rich.
	Tax them.
	And then when they're penniless, then you can.
	Then you eat them.
	Got it.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	And they'll be cheaper too.
	Great plan.
	But it's one of those enormous contradictions, right?
	Where it's like, oh, well, we're just going to tax the rich, but we're also going to celebrate gleefully as all of the rich leave.
	It's like, well, why are you celebrating that?
	There goes your entire plan with how to fund this thing.
	And this is just a constant loop.
	You know, we see it in country after country.
	That's where socialism always ends in poverty and ultimately famine.
	Yeah.
	Always.
	Because that's hard baked into it because it doesn't work.
	I'm just intrigued about it because if you've got some of the really serious billionaires that live in New York, I mean, they obviously have really important apartment blocks that are very close to where the markets are.
	The hedge funds work together.
	The big bond buyers are all very close.
	But then they have their holiday homes much further up the coast.
	And so for them, it's a big difficulty to leave unless they actually move the whole of their kind of business model and institutions out of New York so that they can wreck some kind of working together conglomerate, maybe up the coast, but it's outside of New York City.
	They're going to struggle because their wives will not want to go away from where they can have their lunch dates and their bike.
	Not a lot of them are all there about their children having their children go to school anywhere.
	They can move them out of New York if they wanted to.
	But it's the wise, the families, and that connectivity that's going to be difficult.
	Whoever is the cleverest kind of city that is able to say, well, we can try and help build a new financial centre, I mean, they'll do it.
	As you look in Britain at the moment, Dubai, Saudi Arabia, a lot of businesses moving out of New York and flying there.
	Now, I'm not saying the people from New York would do that, but it's a similar sort of model.
	They will lose.
	I just find it hard to believe you get any sort of big mandate in November because everyone that isn't a Muslim or an Indian Muslim wouldn't want you.
	Like there's big, famously, isn't there, a big Jewish community in New York.
	In fact, I've heard there's more Jewish people than in Israel.
	I'm not sure if that's true.
	But I've heard that.
	It's pretty much.
	It could be.
	Anyway, they're not going to want this guy, are they?
	He's clearly a pro-Muslim, pro-halal partisan type fella.
	Like, do they want him?
	Yeah, he said if Netanyahu came to New York, I'd arrest him.
	Yeah.
	And he also said as well that he wouldn't meet with Modi because of obviously he's a Muslim and Modi's a Hindu nationalist as well.
	So he's explicitly anti-Hindu and Israel.
	Yeah.
	Explicitly say.
	It's a bold strategy in New York.
	It is.
	This is interesting.
	I'm just reading what Rufo is saying.
	Yeah, I was just about to come to that because I actually think this is worth reading in full.
	It says, the other interesting angle about the Mamdani win is that the ethno-politics of New York City have now shifted.
	The old political machine, white ethnics and leadership with dedicated patronage from the black vote, has lost an enormous amount of influence.
	The Irish and Italians have mostly assimilated into a generalised white identity.
	The Jewish vote is fractured as the left has become more solidly anti-Israel.
	And the black vote is being displaced by new arrivals.
	The Mamdani coalition rests on this new ethno-political coalition of white leftists, i.e.
	those who've adopted an ideological identity best understood as a rebellion against whiteness, and as a well-organized Asian, quote-unquote, vote, which tips the scales in favour of Zoran and against the old politics of Andrew Cuomo.
	That is quite dangerous.
	That's very, very interesting.
	I wonder how true that will prove to be at the ballot box in November.
	Yes.
	Far be it from me, genuinely, far be it from me, to question Rufo.
	You may well be exactly right.
	But a couple of things in there.
	I would be surprised if it is true that the Jewish vote is so fractured and that they're so left that they would be anti-Israel.
	Are you sure about that?
	I don't know about that.
	And that there's a well-organized sort of general Asian vote.
	Again, I don't know if that will prove to be true.
	Being Asian isn't a monolith.
	No, I was Chinese or they.
	I think what they're trying to do is not say Islamic then.
	There is a bit of change.
	That makes a lot more sense.
	There is a change in terms of the demographics of New York.
	So there's more Muslims in New York than there used to be.
	Yeah.
	Sure, okay.
	So just like I said that I wanted to go to Cuba and see it just before the end of days with Castro, I think it might be my trip now is to get to New York before it becomes a fully communist, Islamo-communist state.
	For its full escape from New York community?
	Yeah, it becomes full escape from New York.
	The only aspect about that is, I think, Bo, you might be hitting on something here, is whether the different ethnic groups, which have all come together on the left to project a Democrats, whether the kind of success of that candidate for Congress on Long Island can translate itself now into New York as to mayor,
	whether that actually will create a division so big that we have one of these almost megalithic revolutions and they vote for a Republican.
	Wow.
	That would be sweet, wouldn't it?
	That would be just something incredible.
	Get Don Junior in there.
	I think the polling, watching the polling beforehand will be very interesting.
	I will just say, though, that from my point of view, it really just seems like New York has entirely fallen into the same perpetual trap that London has, which is just a demographic question, right?
	New York back in 1960, which I pull out only because that's a few years before the Hart Seller Act passed, in which they allowed more immigration from non-white, non-Western countries, I suppose you'd say.
	The demographics of the white population in New York were about 80%.
	They're now low 30s.
	It's low 30s.
	They're still majority, but they're majority minority.
	So it's the same with London.
	It's the exact same with London.
	Anyway, I realize we're running a bit low on time with this segment, so I'll just skip through these.
	I just wanted to draw attention to some of these things, though, as well, because there is some real hysteria about his Muslim identity, right?
	And on the one hand, I absolutely get it, right?
	I absolutely get it.
	But the thing is that when you are really, really hysterical and maximalist about these things, like Marjorie Taylor Greene's doing here, it's like, oh, well, he's going to stick everyone in Burkers, right?
	It's like, well, that's his wife.
	So like you've just, you know, it's like, no, if you just spend five minutes, right, to just do the actual proper research.
	Because these are easy wins for the left.
	These are easy wins that you don't need to give them.
	You've got more than enough ammunition.
	You've got more than enough reasons to attack him on the merits of the fact that he's not American.
	You know, that he's basically a global nomad.
	Doesn't matter if he's a Muslim or a Hindu or whatever, right?
	I understand that there's more of a sting to him being a Muslim in the post-9-11 world.
	I understand that.
	But you're going to have to play this smarter, right?
	Americans are going to have to be smarter about this.
	And I don't think that this is particularly smart either.
	Now, you know, I've got some time for Daryl Cooper.
	I think he makes some good points.
	But when he says, I couldn't care less who runs New York, you guys have fun.
	You kind of should care, Daryl.
	You kind of should, because it is one of the American cities, the great American cities.
	It's one of the most famous parts of American identity.
	And if you play the doomer and just abandon it in the way that some people say London should just be discarded now, just, you know, cauterize it, separate it off.
	Well, I don't agree.
	Just throwing the baby out with the bathroom.
	Right, you're throwing it out.
	And the thing is, I don't think that New York is unsalvageable.
	I don't think it's too far gone.
	There are practical policies that the Trump administration could pursue that could actually alleviate a lot of the stress and alienation on New York that has led to this point in the same way that it could also be done for London.
	They should run Baron against him in November.
	Baron Trump.
	Season.
	Octavian.
	Bring him in.
	I'll just finish with one thing from the Donald where it says, it's finally happened.
	The Democrats have crossed the line.
	Zoram Mamdani, 100% communist lunatic, has just won the Dem primary and is on his way to becoming mayor.
	We've had radical leftists before, but this is getting a little ridiculous.
	He looks terrible, his voice is grating, he's not very smart, he's got AOC plus three, dummies all backing him, and even our great Palestinian senator, crying Chuck Schumer, is grovelling over him.
	Yes, this is a big moment in the history of our country.
	But the thing is, there are people in the Trump administration, like Stephen Miller, who says a commentary about New York City Democrats nominating an anarchist socialist for mayor, and makes one point.
	How unchecked migration fundamentally remade the New York electorate.
	Yes.
	Right?
	So he understands that the demographics are the destiny.
	Well, Stephen, you've recognized the political reality.
	You've recognized why it's got to this point.
	You're in power.
	It's not the midterms yet.
	You've got a full license to do something about this.
	There are, start with the illegals, and then there are a whole slew, I'm sure, there are entire communities in New York that should simply be deported, right?
	That are just other Zorans, right?
	Just nomads.
	They're not loyal to America.
	And they're only there for economic purposes until Zoran's socialist policies naturally run it into the ground and they'll just move over to the next American city where they, you know, to ruin that one as well, right?
	So just get them out.
	They're not American.
	Simple as.
	All right.
	Pretty good.
	Pretty cool.
	Couple of.
	Yeah, okay.
	See.
	As it says, that's a random name says.
	Oh, thank you.
	Worry not, after the chaos of the Federicin occupation of Arakin, Baron Maldib Trump.
	I'm really struggling with these words for some reason.
	Oh, is it?
	Right.
	Well, forgive my ignorance.
	Trump will return to his father's seat of power and restore order as it was written.
	I'm sure it was in Dune.
	I'm sorry I didn't get it.
	Darth Amalgamation says, apparently Republicans don't even run a mayoral candidate in New York City because it's so saturated with Democrats.
	I looked into this.
	They didn't have a primary.
	They've got one guy, but he's an anti-Trump Republican.
	Right, so they're obviously gone, well, we can't have a guy who's a fan of Trump, and that's not going to gell in New York, but he's not going to make any waves.
	Everyone's saying that Eric Adams running as an independent is the only person who could reasonably stop him.
	And I doubt it'll happen.
	Okay.
	Shall we go over to you, Stephen?
	Yeah, sure.
	That's what I want to do.
	Let's get cracking on it.
	I mean, Communist Party of India.
	I mean, I just fair.
	Yeah, it's kind of like a couple of stories.
	Moving on from just the fact that we've just got guys on little bikes managed to damage a multi-hundred million power plane without even being spotted.
	And now we have someone who's not American, clearly a communist, who calls himself an Indian Ugandan, getting in power of one of the major cities in the globe.
	And all of these just sound completely strange to you, as though there's these hounds around us kind of just moving and manipulating things.
	And I think here in this piece is also to try and show a little bit of that, because we all know what happened in the Southport riots.
	We all know the evil Rudolph Kapani killing those kids and the guttural and visceral hatred of that man and what he did to children brought out the worst in some people and it caused riots.
	So the elites now are coming to a view that they need to try and understand why.
	Why did those riots happen?
	And what they've done is they've organized a bipartisan group of people to come to a commission for working out why there were riots of Southport.
	So before we get to that, I want to tell everybody to get involved and watch Real Politic with Fures Modat.
	His new episodes began on Monday.
	It's a real big journey about the world's geopolitics.
	It'll help you understand where we get in terms of the history of nations, why they interact with one another in the way that they do, why religion is so important, what's happening with the different political parties, why you've got the conflicts between Iran, Israel, where that support.
	Big, big ideas.
	And Farus has worked with all of us so far on this show and he's really showing you how to do it.
	And I think I recommend getting onto that without a doubt.
	And it's something really interesting.
	And I'm finding it fascinating.
	Faras definitely knows his stuff.
	There's just no question about that.
	So I'm going to see if that's the first bit for us.
	I might have to pull these because these are coming up.
	Just move it on.
	That's the one.
	So as I mentioned, a task force has been launched to tackle the root causes of the UK riots.
	And it's fascinating.
	Here we are.
	It's an independent task force, as the BBC called.
	It's going to be called the Independent Commission on Tackling Community Divisions.
	Even the name alone strikes fear into anyone who believes in the truth, honesty and dignity, even just of our own language.
	But it does have some really fascinating people who are going to be chairs of it.
	It's a cross-party body and it's going to have Sajit Javid and Labour MP John Crudus as the joint chairs.
	So the first thing that I obviously have to mention is that if this entire commission is supposed to be set up to understand why the British public are so peeved and will riot about things and it's being headed by Sajik Javid, who when the recent demographic data about London came out and its minority white status said, so what?
	I don't think he's perhaps the best guy to be leading seeing as he wasn't obviously willing to accept that anyone could have a problem with that.
	No, no, he certainly doesn't believe there is a problem at all.
	He was in government, wasn't he, during the lockdown stuff?
	He was right at the top there at that time.
	So yeah, the man's a scumbag.
	I hate his guts.
	Yeah, that so what thing was disgusting.
	Yeah, it's just but clearly this thing is just a whitewash on misdirection from start to finish.
	Because why did why were people upset at a slaughter of the innocents?
	Yeah.
	I know.
	You don't there's no I could tell you without a commission for free.
	I'm trying to work that one out really and just try to think how the use of knife, children, bludgeoning, death could possibly have wanted to make me riot.
	I just generally would have thought once I'd heard all those children were butchered, the best thing to do is get out and bake a cake.
	Isn't it?
	Isn't that what we should be doing?
	The bottle goes out, people come by our.
	Yeah, that's right.
	That's right.
	But anyway, you know, I'm with you on it.
	And so we've got the first thing is we knew that after Southport, this is what they went to.
	They said it was a deleted Linkin post that weaponised and was seen by millions before the Southport riots.
	Well, thank you, BBC Verifier.
	Thank you for being the ultimate arbiters of truth.
	That's right, of course.
	Thank you for distinguishing between misinformation and disinformation on our behalf.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	What a great service you're doing.
	So one single, one single LinkedIn post led to the kind of rioting of thousands, to be honest, across all the cities of there.
	But of course, that's one of the things that they thought was really, really important about it.
	And then there was, of course, another reason.
	And I love this from GQ.
	I don't know if you ever saw it at the time.
	Great picture.
	Have you noticed one thing about that picture?
	Who's coming towards us in the riots?
	Yes.
	There.
	Who's rioting there?
	Isn't that the people that they're normally supposed to be supporting?
	He's doing a Roman salute as well, isn't he?
	Yeah, he's a Muslim with a left-handed Hitler.
	That's it.
	Yeah, and all of the rest of them are Muslims looking down the street there, and aren't they the ones rioting on there?
	And then you've got this little picture of a guy in glasses says, we will not become second-class citizens in here.
	But this is GQ.
	grooming, fashion, all about style.
	Yeah, the Gentleman's Quarterly for those with too much money in London who want to rally look cool whilst they're in a coffee shop looking at a girl saying, look, I can actually read.
	But anyway, it's just pictures.
	But they do have politics articles.
	And in this particular story of the Southport riots, you can just imagine exactly what was going on.
	First of all, the first parts are all about Patrick Hurley was on the corner of the street with a bouquet of lilies with Yvette Cooper.
	Patrick was deeply upset as the MP for that particular area, as he put it down.
	I don't know.
	Is it just an advert?
	I think that's just an advert.
	An advert.
	Don't worry.
	I mean, we'll just pop in and we'll just see.
	It's good to know because I didn't know who that was.
	Then they talk about, you know, oh, there was this brutal murder that went on and, you know, how upset I was in terms of being the MP and I needed to come down and see it.
	And then, of course, they then go down a little further and they talk about how Ibrahim al-Hussein was in the mosque close by and they were told that there was going to be in our very nice, sleepy town full of old people and retired people where nothing happens.
	I'm suddenly told by the police that there may well be a bit of a riot going on, which we've not had here.
	And then the further down he goes, and the further down you go on, it talks a little bit more building up to this big riot.
	And of course, it's Andy Nago and Andy Tate that helped cause this riot.
	Social media amplified it, talking about how it was a Muslim and it was American right-wing commentator Andy Nago who wrote a book about Antifa's plans.
	So now Andy's a bit of the cause.
	And then later on, as we keep going through that, there's the great part where they start talking about how it's big blokes who don't live in the area.
	Big mask blokes.
	Oh, yeah.
	Big mask blokes came from all over the country that night.
	So I didn't realize there was lots of vans, lorries, and coach hires going to the Southport riots.
	You know, you can go and buy a ticket.
	Let's do a Southport riot.
	But that's who they blame.
	It's the right and big black blokes.
	Big blokes in black masks.
	And wasn't it shown a few weeks ago or a couple of months back?
	Because that's what Kierstan said while it was going on within days that it was people from outside.
	And the actual police, senior police people said in committee just a few weeks ago that that just wasn't true.
	That was not the case.
	Yep.
	So GQ peddling liars then here.
	Yeah, so that was it.
	Rolling Stole in America said it was Elon Musk.
	Clearly he was out there with his petrol bombs.
	He'd obviously paid for thousands of petrol bombs to go to a street there.
	What is their actual reasoning there?
	How is he even tangentially remotely?
	He did a tweet along the lines that it was like we've got revolution or civil war.
	Remember that civil war.
	The thing is as well that their whole tactic here when it comes to people like Musk and Tate and all these sorts of people, it's the exact same tactic that they used against Powell all those decades.
	Absolutely.
	You know, when they just say, oh, well, if you just didn't voice these things, if you just didn't say these things, then people wouldn't think them.
	When in fact, the absolute opposite is, of course, true.
	The feeling amongst the local residents is there first, of course.
	And, you know, people like Musk or whoever it might be just give voice to a feeling that is already pre-existing.
	And so if you eradicate the ability to say the opinion, you're not addressing it because everyone in Southport is still going to be absolutely disgusted about what the authorities allow to happen and about the murder of their children.
	Yeah, what a morally bankrupt thing it is to be outraged by the reaction to an atrocity than the atrocity itself.
	Absolutely.
	And you can go on through this article.
	It talks about Tommy Robinson being involved in it.
	Tommy Robinson, real name, Stephen Yaxley Leonard.
	That's classic.
	They did it.
	They actually did it.
	I find a little bit of an interesting article down here.
	I'm just going to test whether the no, that didn't come in, so I'll have to go right down the bottom of it.
	So this is the counter-terrorist business advisory group.
	They come on usual assessment of the causes and consequences.
	Talks about Southport, talks about the groups involved, Tommy Robinson.
	It then lists the violent disorder program that the government has then set up about it, tech for terrorism organizations saying we need to look at that.
	And then as you get a little further down, you start two things.
	We know we're not alone, and we're drawing together our communities and partners to help us do more to silence those intent on spreading news.
	That's part of the government's plan.
	And they're interesting that they picked this up because of what we're talking about now.
	I did do the picture right down at the bottom.
	I think it's almost close towards the end.
	This is the part that I think is more sensible.
	Without generalising, it's important to consider other factors that has been highlighting contribution to the violence.
	Cost of living crisis, unemployment, lack of trust and respect for police, a general increase in violence anyway, a feel of not being represented by government, the weather.
	The weather.
	Yeah.
	These are all the kind of ideas being pushed by this group of people according to this counter-terrorism business organization.
	And I'll quickly move through because I know there's quite a lot here in looking at this.
	Anything other than the actual act, the actual slaughter of innocents.
	Anything other than that.
	Yep.
	Based on decades of traitorous immigration policies.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	It's all the different things, including the weather.
	I just thought that.
	A contrived artificial foreign...
	Yeah.
	Weren't the Gordon riots back in the 1700s caused by the weather?
	Sure, that was a weather phenomenon, wasn't it?
	So we then get this, which is the Home Secretary's statement on disorder, and they have now organised with police a special disorder campaign that's being done.
	I'm going to let people just read through this.
	The whole idea here is they go through the list of shops and everything like that.
	But in the end, we've created this group of people run by the National Police Council and the Coordination Center on how to deal with terrorist organizations and criminal violence.
	They're saying they're causing this, a form of terrorism on that.
	And I want to say that's important because this is where I believe they want the evidence to create legislation on how to create, go from disorder.
	We've set it up.
	We now need the evidence to go further.
	So along comes the Independent Commission on Community and Cohesion.
	And this is the organization.
	We are a thriving, multi-ethnic, and multi-faith democracy where most people in town cities get on with each other, but we're experiencing challenges to our communities and local lives.
	So we now find ourselves at a crossroads with generational questions.
	How do we live together in harmony?
	We can't.
	Exactly.
	I'm trying to think of that song, you and me.
	It was living in harmony.
	Ebony and Ivory.
	Ebony and Ivory.
	It kind of all comes out to me as this kind of song when you're looking at the pictures of what's his surname?
	Rudy Cabana.
	Cabana.
	That's the surname.
	Ask that family how we live together.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Ask them.
	Yep.
	We're supposed to live together in peace.
	Great.
	Could you just scroll up one moment, Stephen?
	To the top where it says about the UK is a thriving, multi-ethnic and multi-faith democracy.
	This is the entire problem because that is the predetermined project.
	Yes.
	And therefore, because that is the project, certain conclusions have simply become dismissed.
	They're off limits.
	And so you're never going to get the answer because you don't want the answer.
	You don't like the answer that you're being told, which is that we never chose or wanted to be a multi-ethnic, multi-faith democracy.
	That's right.
	In the first place.
	And the more that you force it to be, the more you're going to encounter more Southports.
	This is not me endorsing rioting, but I'm just saying it's naturally going to lead to that if you don't, if people aren't going to find political representation for their grievances in Parliament.
	And they're being ignored.
	And this is fascinating how the establishment are now trying to create this.
	And they're doing it as an independent commission.
	It's apparently backed by the government, but not financially supported by the government.
	This is an interesting point.
	And we'll not produce a report from behind closed doors.
	Instead, we'll engage with communities across the country in order to understand how to enhance community connectedness, cohesion, and resilience.
	Well, that's fascinating.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	But I'm just going to be fascinated if we organise ourselves our own responses to this.
	Whether they would actually listen to it.
	But we do have an opportunity.
	I may work on a little project to create different interesting elements about it.
	Now, I'll just go through some of the names because I think who's in it.
	All these various people.
	David Halpern, Behavioral Insights.
	He was on the COVID group to how to control us all.
	Sunder Katwali.
	Famous Fabian.
	Nice guy when he was nice.
	First ever person that allowed me to do a speech from UKIP on immigration.
	Caroline Lucas.
	One of the worst fifth columnists you ever come across.
	Caroline Lucas in there.
	Also fifth columnist.
	Yeah.
	Tim Montgomery, Fraser Nelson.
	Fraser Nelson.
	You get the measuring.
	You're getting it.
	Andy Street, you know.
	So all of these are in there.
	There's an op-ed from there.
	Please have a look at it.
	Building on our foundation.
	They've already started.
	And when I looked at this, the initial plans, we worked with British Future and Belong, who I haven't examined a great deal on there, to build the early evidence base.
	I see exactly how British Future work in here.
	National representative polling, which is they create the language that they want that results in the answers That they want, then they get funding for someone and they give it to a bigger polling company saying this is what our polling is.
	If someone gave me five or ten thousand pounds, I'd do a polling that would give us the answers that we want.
	Public focus groups, he then went around the country, funded by them, hotels, and they go and then get little groups of people who give them the focus groups on the questions that they want.
	And that has expert roundtables.
	I wasn't on it.
	Calls for evidence.
	Were you on it?
	Don't know who these experts were, but they've already produced out of 100 submissions the basis of this research that they're going to use.
	So the solutions are already there in the basis.
	That's what they want.
	The rest is just waiting and seeing what language they can use.
	They've already made their decisions.
	At the end of it all, no doubt their conclusions will be white systemic racism.
	Of course, the problem.
	Of course it will be.
	Fear of the Islam.
	Fear of the Muslim.
	White bigotry.
	That's the problem.
	That's where it's going to come to.
	Now, the Together Initiative is something that says very clearly at the top of this page, of this initiative here.
	It's a charity, and it receives 100.
	This is the overall organization that runs this particular group.
	So when you look at the Independent Commission on Cohesion, you go right down to the bottom.
	You have to try and search a little bit more.
	Oh, by the way, everybody, if you want to respond, that's where you respond.
	You can write your own answers and let's see whether they will actually take any notice of it at all.
	But it talks about the Independent Commission.
	I have to look through Living Will Together and then the Together Initiative.
	So the Together Initiative is a charity.
	Sorry.
	It has seven trustees.
	And this is where it gets interesting.
	I look at these seven trustees.
	I look at the names.
	I don't know whether I've got any of them up here.
	The steering group of together.
	All these names here.
	So when I go back to who I was looking at, Okay.
	Yeah.
	Do you want me to scroll it on this?
	Yeah, scroll it.
	It's a little bit better.
	So I'm going to talk about the one I deleted.
	Maybe we can try and get it put back up because I think everybody needs to read who those seven people are, the trustees.
	Those seven trustees are people who work as partners in law firms, partners in accountancy firms, partners for Saatchi and Saatchi.
	These are just individuals who sit on a group that receives about a million pounds a year.
	I think it's coming back here.
	Brilliant.
	Oh, thank you.
	You can get rid of that.
	That's fantastic.
	So these are not people that you see in political parties.
	I tried to look through all of them.
	Dr. Michael Clark down there, he just looks like a simple professor.
	And I kind of like a bit weird.
	These people have just ordinary day jobs.
	And I took out pictures and images of them.
	If we go across to the next one, then they have a steering group.
	Let's see you can get in there.
	Steering group, heads of big companies.
	Mike Clark, CEO there of RSPB.
	That's who he was.
	The thing is, you're asking all these people.
	Pende Bawani.
	Yeah.
	Why don't you just ask, go to Southport and ask the people?
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	So I'm looking at him.
	How does he know about it?
	Right?
	So these are just a couple of examples.
	He is a partner on the private equity side of an investment management firm for Deloitte.
	So all of those individuals who are the trustees of this charity are just people that you would kind of think, that's just an accountant.
	That's just a lawyer.
	That's just a banker.
	And then they've got the money.
	I follow where the money is.
	Always important to see the money.
	I see the monies rising each year, 300 to 867,000 last year and then 993.
	We're still talking about the Southport riots.
	This is the organization that is controlling and funding the commission.
	This independent commission of Sajja Javid and John Kudas is being provided with the money and control and the same language that comes from their documents is in that from this initiative called the Together Initiative with seven trustees who look like they're just bankers and lawyers.
	And then when you go through the charity, which they all run, I look at the audited accounts on there.
	You can follow that all the way through.
	You then start to see that it's funded by the government.
	You know, they have funded the big help out, the Thank You Day, the Together for Humanity, the Together initiative.
	They explain how our aim is to build a kinder and more closely connected communities from it.
	All really weird stuff, to be honest.
	And they get their funding.
	You can list the activities.
	And now next one is how we're funding.
	This goes all the way through to the money.
	It's come from the a million pound of it come from the national lottery.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	A million pound of this is the national lottery.
	And then Conor Tomlinson starts to take apart the individuals in it that we've talked about.
	So I want to get this picture.
	These individuals are all very bland, all very kind of centrist, all brought together because they say they're Greens, Labour, Left, Tories.
	They all have the right opinions.
	Are being funded by an organisation that's money from DCMS and the National Lottery.
	So it's the state effectively funding an organisation with seven trustees who are bankers and lawyers to fund an organisation that's going to tell us what happened and why people rioted in Southport.
	Which we already know.
	The amount of time and effort and money put into containment is madness, isn't it?
	This is containment.
	This is what containment is.
	Yes.
	It's this.
	I'm not containing anything anymore because everyone's sick of it.
	But this is the stuff that gets us angry in the first place.
	And there's some really unpleasant people on this.
	I mean, I look at Khan, for example.
	She is Dame Sarah Khan.
	She worked with Hope Not Hate last December, declaring a two-tier policy in extremist conspiracy theories and empirically far-right narratives that asylum seekers seek to elude them as Muslim invaders.
	All of this are the stuff that should go into the Prevent program and that we have far-right notes.
	But she expanded the Home Office Islamic Network to over 700 individuals in terms of their Saji's brother worked with her.
	So this is a group of individuals all working with each other as well in the background.
	And I'll let people go and have a look a bit further on that, looking at the time.
	And I would say they talk about a tinderbox of disconnection and division threatening our democracy.
	That is the kind of lines.
	But here is just Now, I don't know whether I did the clip.
	I think I did the screenshot.
	Rather than everyone go down, Sajiv Javid and John Crudis talk about there is a timidity that is partly in government because there's no single lever that fixes things in the short term and there is no one authority in this country who feels they can lead the national discussion.
	And they pick out Lee Kuan Yew and Charles de Gaulle as the type of individual that should be leading the discussion in this country about how we have cohesion.
	Okay.
	What?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Lee Kuan Yew.
	There he is.
	For those who don't know him, he was the Prime Minister of Singapore for a very long time.
	He was a lawyer, 1959 to 1990.
	I would call that a dictator myself, personally.
	Yeah, wasn't he like a hardline nationalist might not be the right word, but a Singapore, a Singapore ultra.
	Yeah, right?
	So he's an ultra, some sort of who kept out immigrants and ensured that they couldn't get jobs.
	He was an effective dictator.
	And I've even found, you know, it doesn't take you long to find out about his concoction of Asian values was mainly to deter Westerners from criticizing repressive regimes.
	This is the individual.
	He worked with the Pentagon to help murder people who is there.
	And so I'm just thinking, this is the sort of individual these guys think should be running the national argument in Britain at the moment.
	A single dictator that effectively controlled immigrants for the purity of his own group of people.
	Who ran, as you saw, pretty much, and some people called him a little Juliana Stalin.
	He was clever, disciplined, effective, prescient, racist, vicious, vindictive, and a control freak.
	This is who Sajid Java thinks should be the kind of archetypal individual.
	quickly get though What's it?
	Again, a French nationalist.
	Yes, that's right.
	Isn't that fascinating?
	I sort of do admire and very interested in Charles Gaw in various ways, but not as some sort of...
	But you're right, not as a blueprint for Britain in any way.
	So I'm just going to end this because I'm looking also at time.
	I want people to see how the establishment are organising themselves to control the message with the individuals and how they get their own money to their own people to run it.
	And then they've got these really weird ideas of who should be controlling the system in Britain.
	And then the way that they did the reports of the Brixton riots and the Scarman reports in the 1980s, that led to the extensions of Race Relation Acts.
	It led to housing, jobs, where we are, all in the idea of like diversity.
	That's how they dealt with the riots of what they called the black people in the 1980s.
	Why aren't they doing something similar to the way that we've rioted after the deaths of children in this country?
	And that is because perhaps we need Li Wan Kwan as a dictator in our country to control us all.
	There we go.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, it's just madness, as we said.
	It's also tiresome.
	Well, Samson, do we have time for video comments?
	No time.
	Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, we'll do video comments tomorrow, but we'll just go.
	I'll just read out one of the for $10.
	Thank you.
	Good Godman 123 says, according to a LGBTQ colleague, there are extreme right-wing groups in Sweden which go on pedo hunting excursions and post pictures of the offenders in public.
	They have to sell and move for some reason.
	I'm not sure which segment that's related to, but still interesting to know.
	Thank you, Guthart.
	Alright, shall I just read a few comments from the segment before we go off?
	All right.
	Okay.
	So for your Palestine one bow, Palestine actions, Sophiliv says, what if they were trying to pollute the plane gasoline in an attempt to cause a plane crash?
	They could have done any number of insane things if they'd wanted to.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Just shooting some paint in the turbine and ruining it is the least of it.
	They could have done anything, really, couldn't they?
	Indeed.
	Canis Familiarius, the RF story reminds me of the Madlands episode about the guy who just walked into the US military base, got into a tank and drove off.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Sounds like just freestyle on GTA to go on this.
	You can find a clip of that on YouTube.
	He's driving around in a tank for ages.
	I'm going to have to before he beaches himself.
	Right, I'm going to have to have a look at that.
	From my segment, you've got Lord Inquisitor Hector Rex says, New York is so expensive like California because of all the building regulation, illegals and corruption.
	That's why places in Texas have such good housing economy versus New York and California because they deregulated things.
	I'm sure that's the case.
	Someone online says, I don't think there's a way for Commissar Mam Danny to not become the mayor after this.
	No, I think it's a foregone conclusion.
	I really, really do.
	Nicholas Ware says, everyone talks about people leaving California, but the New Yorkers are leaving as well.
	I live in Ohio and keep seeing New York license plates.
	Yes, and they won't have learnt a damn thing.
	I can promise you that.
	And then just from Your segment, Stephen, to wrap up.
	Dirty Belter says, How many billions are going to be spent on finding out something that could be achieved by walking into a pub and asking what's going on?
	It's so obvious that that's not what this is for.
	My guess is that the real purpose is to invent a reason.
	That's exactly what you said, isn't it?
	And someone online says, thriving by what standard is the UK thriving?
	Yeah, it's like the government are the only people who haven't realised this yet.
	And we're all just there in the ashes.
	Just going, if you notice, it's all on fire.
	Anyway, that's all we've got time for today, ladies and gentlemen.
	Thank you for joining us.
	Common Sense Crusade starts at 3, so if you'd like, you can join Calvin Robinson for that.
	And if not, then we'll see you at 1 p.m.
	tomorrow.

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