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	Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Welcome to the podcast The Lotus It Is For, Friday the 20th of June, 2025.
	I'm joined by Ferris and some unemployed vagrant.
	I saw him begging, will tell jokes for money, and I was like, you know what, go on then.
	Obviously, no, joined by Leo Kuss.
	Leo, I just want to say, really sad to hear the headline is cancelled, man.
	I enjoyed your show.
	I thought it was good.
	Yeah, thanks.
	No, it sucks.
	I'm going to have to get another job now.
	So if anybody is looking to employ someone to work three hours a week...
	That's what I'm used to, and I won't take anything less.
	So, yeah.
	Also, it's Friday, so that's good news, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Friday, sun's out.
	You're all about to get absolutely crisped by the...
	And should Trump nuke instead Mexico?
	And will we end up, or should we in fact, abolish whiteness?
	And what happens when you do?
	So, before we begin, we have a Lads Out this afternoon, which will be hosted by me, where we are talking about Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2002.
	This has been something I've wanted to talk about for a while, because there's a whole slate of films that were produced in the early 2000s that at the time were considered to be shit.
	Everyone was like, that was crap.
	But as time has gone on, everyone's like, oh, it wasn't that crap, was it?
	Because films have just got worse and worse and worse.
	And so Sam Raimi's Spider-Man is one of those ones where it really has aged very beautifully.
	And we're going to talk about it afterwards.
	So without further ado, let's crack on.
	Yes, so what would you guys prefer?
	Nuclear weapons or peace, if given a choice?
	Nuclear weapons, please.
	I'm kind of sick about hearing of the Middle East.
	Yeah, I'm from there, so I'm kind of sick of it myself.
	One of the many reasons I decided to piss off.
	Anyway, where are we now with regards to whether or not there is going to be an American-Israeli war?
	Before we go on, could you give us a quick summary of what's happened in the past day or two?
	Sure.
	This is still hot.
	This is still quite hot.
	What's been going on is that the Iranians and the Israelis have been exchanging strikes.
	The Iranians have been escalating their threats.
	But the number of missiles that they've been firing has actually been declining.
	I think yesterday night they fired one missile only, but it actually hit its target.
	And this isn't the one that hit the hospital, right?
	But this is not the one that hit the hospital.
	That was the night before.
	There's a debate over whether or not the hospital was the target or a base nearby.
	But they also, in that strike, hit the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange, which is a significantly more impressive target.
	And this is part of an escalating economic war.
	Between the two sides, the Israelis are hitting some critical infrastructure, some energy stuff, and the Iranians have hit the Haifa refinery.
	They tried to hit the port.
	They've hit a power plant, and they hit the stock exchange.
	So we're seeing a smaller volume of strikes from the Iranians because in the earlier strikes, they managed to absorb a lot of the Israeli air defense.
	And forced the Israelis to use up air defense missiles.
	And now they're firing fewer but more effective missiles that are hitting at least some of their targets.
	And Israel is stock of air defense missiles.
	That's dependent on America.
	They have to get more from America.
	They only have a certain number.
	So if you can overwhelm them, then they've sort of got to go cap in hand to America.
	Not just that.
	Patriot systems, which are the ones that are produced in the largest volume, are no longer used because they don't work against the more advanced Iranian missiles.
	The hypersonic ones.
	The hypersonic ones.
	And the THAAD, the Terminal High Altitude Air Defense System, this is produced in an incredibly small quantity.
	And then you have some of the missiles that are fired from American ships to defend Israel, usually from Aegis cruisers.
	And these are also produced in extremely tiny quantities.
	And I'm talking tens per year, hundreds per year, whereas the Iranians have a bigger volume of missiles.
	How many do the Iranians have stockpiled, roughly, do we think?
	The estimate that's going around is supposed to be 3,000.
	Caveats, which is that the Israelis are claiming that they've destroyed a thousand of these.
	Maybe they have, maybe they haven't.
	The number of TELs, transporter erector launchers, these are the trucks that the missiles are loaded on before they are fired.
	This is a limited supply, and the Israelis have destroyed some of those, and we have some confirmed visuals.
	And then there's the question of, well, what if China decides that it's going to use the Belt and Road Initiative, part of which terminates in Kazakhstan, part of which terminates in Russia.
	Both of these are on the Caspian Sea, meaning that the Iranians could be dramatically resupplied by the Chinese if China were to put its mind to it.
	So far, we've just seen a few cargo airplanes go from China to Iran.
	There was nothing.
	I'm sure it's absolutely nothing.
	But we haven't seen that kind of bulk investment in helping Iran stay in the fight.
	And given the geography of Iran, it's almost impossible to completely knock it out.
	And so we are at something of an impasse, which is where this meeting comes in.
	The Israelis are meeting with senior American officials, including nice Mr. J.D. Vance and Rubio, I believe, and others.
	And so what's happening, very obviously, is that the Israelis are doing everything that they can to convince the Americans to join the war.
	I've got to say, right, everything Israel does makes me way less sympathetic to their position.
	Like, oh, what happened?
	Well, we took out a bunch of Iranian generals and stuff.
	Can you come and help us with the war we've started?
	Why should we?
	The thing is, when...
	Oh, did they?
	Yes.
	They bombed one of your hospitals, did they?
	Oh, you know, I mean, what are the casualty figures on both sides like?
	Do we have any idea?
	So, so far there are, I believe, 2,400 Israelis injured and maybe up to 40 dead.
	I have to check, but it's in the low tens that are dead.
	On Iran's side, it's higher, as you can imagine, with some of the families of the senior officials getting killed alongside them.
	But it's nothing compared to what's happening in Gaza.
	Yeah.
	So in terms of just the sort of human impact, if you're talking about bombing hospitals and attacking hospitals, And again, this is another thing.
	Although, to be fair to the Israelis, sorry, just to be fair to the Israelis, one Hezbollah media outlet that's obviously extremely sympathetic to Hamas pretty much admitted that Hamas was hiding senior officials in, I think it was, a Shifa hospital.
	Oh yeah, I've come back.
	One of the biggest.
	Also, how many hospitals did Gaza have if they're still It's like, come on.
	They only have one hospital in Sweden.
	They are bombing the same facility more than once.
	Right.
	That explains it.
	I did say that we bombed 34 hospitals, and I'm like, have they?
	You have 34 hospitals for one city?
	They do have 35 hospitals for a population of 2.3 million people.
	And for a population that is pretty much constantly at war.
	I mean, this isn't, you know, you had the 2014, 2018, 19, 20, 21, 23, and then the big 23 kerfuffle.
	And a lot of these, obviously, hospitals are completely reliant on foreign aid.
	And the Palestinians are in this very messed up position where without foreign aid, nobody would eat in Gaza, nobody would have any health care in Gaza.
	And they've managed to co-opt some of the UN institutions that are operating in Gaza to sort of work for them or to look the other way when they're present.
	And it's a hot mess.
	Yes.
	But anyway, the Israelis are obviously trying to convince the Americans that they should definitely go into the war and that there aren't going to be any second order consequences, such as, for example… I'm sure it'll just end there, yeah.
	It's not like if you bomb a country with 80, 90 million people, there's going to be a massive humanitarian crisis, a huge number of migrants walking across the border.
	And the thing is that it isn't really guaranteed that the Americans can solve this problem.
	And that's why the question, would you rather have nukes or peace?
	Because one of the points of discussion is the Americans have this massive bomb called the GBU-57.
	It's almost 14 tons of explosives.
	This is the big bunker buster.
	This is the big bunker buster.
	It's called the Massive Ordnance Penetrator.
	Well, don't tell Trump about it because he'll want to use it.
	To be fair, when you see something like that, you kind of want to watch that.
	Yeah, right.
	You can imagine Donald Trump.
	It's like, we've got this.
	Would you actually see it going?
	Because it goes down 60 metres into the ground.
	So would you even see it?
	So there's a few complications here.
	There's a few complications here.
	Firstly, the facility against which it's supposed to be used is easily 90 meters underground, and we don't know...
	Secondly, the Iranians have developed a special kind of concrete that is made to absorb big explosions.
	So this thing penetrates 60 metres of regular stuff.
	You need to start building the entire Middle East out of that.
	Just every house in the Middle East.
	That'll save so much hassle in the future.
	Then when my father was building a house in Lebanon, he sort of fortified it for...
	That's the kind of thing that was the only land available.
	Whatever.
	Life.
	So anyway, it isn't clear that this thing can actually blow up the facility it's intended to blow up.
	And so they're thinking about maybe using tactical nuclear weapons on it.
	Hence the question.
	nukes or peace.
	And if you...
	Can we just pause on that?
	No!
	We're actually at a point now where the American administration is like, do we need to nuke something?
	Yes.
	I mean, how do the Russians feel about this?
	How do the Chinese feel about this?
	How does Pakistan feel about this?
	How do the Turks feel about this, considering that they're the rising superpower in the Middle East and that they have some nuclear capabilities, that they're now going...
	They're going to be desperately enriching the uranium.
	So they're getting nuclear energy with help from the Russians.
	And if they see Iran getting nuked, they're going to conclude, screw this, we need to get nuclear weapons ASAP.
	As will the Egyptians, the Saudis, the Algerians, everybody with any financial capability to build a nuclear program will look at this just thought being expressed and think, okay.
	It's time for us to get a nuke because that's the only way out.
	I'm sure the EU will just let Turkey in at this point.
	It's complete lunacy.
	But what's happening apparently is that nice Mr. Steve Bannon visited Donald Trump.
	And I just want to read this quote because I did find it hilarious.
	So Trump is talking, after that meeting, he's talking about maybe delaying his decision for a couple of weeks as to whether or not to engage in the war.
	Because the Europeans are going to be meeting with the Iranians to figure out if there is a deal to be made rather than this war escalating.
	But Bannon, a key voice in the far-right isolationist wing of Trump's base.
	The good people.
	Yeah.
	I'm thinking, so.
	Why are you making the far right look good if they're supposed to be the baddies?
	I mean, normally it's the good people who don't want a nuclear war and it's the insane villains who do.
	And now we're in this position where you're saying that the far right are the ones objecting to, you know, You are such an extremist.
	Because, I mean, tactical nukes are really different from, like, nuke nukes, from your big nukes.
	Tactical nukes are just, oh, it's barely a...
	Yes!
	No, no, it's a tactical nuke.
	So we're in a position now where essentially the MAGA base is trying to hold Trump back.
	And to make sure that the Americans don't get sucked into another major Middle Eastern war.
	Thank God for Steve Bannon, man.
	Thank God for Steve Bannon.
	The one guy.
	Carlson.
	Yeah, two guys, yeah.
	For the people who are saying, guys, did we not just do this in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and Syria?
	And how did that actually play out?
	Man, see, that's the terrible thing about Iraq.
	Like, if you do it and you get it wrong, then, you know, when there's a time that it's a good idea.
	To invade a country in the Middle East and effect regime change and blow shit up.
	People are going to be like, no, we did it before and it didn't work.
	You know what I mean?
	You should only ever do it when it's a good idea.
	Is now the good idea, is it?
	Was it a good idea?
	Yeah.
	Well, apparently we're at a stage of development where we can learn from past experience.
	Are we?
	Which seems to be an improvement.
	Or at least we're trying to go there because the two options that are being presented are do we have a nuclear deal or do we use nuclear weapons on each other?
	And you can imagine exactly as you asked how the Russians are going to conclude that they should proceed, what the Chinese are going to do, etc., etc.
	And if this happens, I mean, you could see the Pakistanis setting up a nuclear bazaar.
	And offering any Muslim country that has a kind of a questionable relationship with either the United States and Israel and saying to them, here, give us a billion dollars and we're going to give you nuclear weapons.
	I mean, this is the only logical consequence of something like this.
	I can't believe the Pakistanis had nukes.
	They're the only Muslim country with nukes as well, aren't they?
	Yes.
	Are you familiar with the Pakistani nuclear doctrine?
	Yeah, it probably involves gins.
	Well, aside from the gins...
	Aside from the jinns, the Pakistanis have decided that if India were to be successful in invading their territory and threatening their major cities, which are on the border, the Pakistanis would retaliate by using tactical nuclear weapons in their own territory against the Indian military.
	On the assumption that India would not, in fact, retaliate with strategic weapons, the ones that can sort of wipe out entire cities, with the Indians telling the Pakistanis, we absolutely will.
	What difference does it make?
	We've already nuked ourselves.
	It's too late for that.
	Well, they've nuked themselves, but they can be nuked again.
	It's a mad doctrine.
	Absolutely mad.
	But this is what's keeping the balance of power functional.
	And this is very much where we are.
	As long as they nuke the proposed Mirpur airport.
	I just can't believe it's the Pakistanis that have the nukes.
	Like, alright.
	So the Iranians are saying that they've only used 30% of their military capabilities.
	And this gentleman is Bahsan Reza 'i.
	He's a former head of the IRGC.
	The most Iranian-looking man ever.
	Yeah, he looks like a Sesame Street puppet.
	He does!
	I've never briefed war risks with Iran with a comedian in the room.
	I just don't know how to proceed about this.
	Normally, I take this stuff seriously.
	Well, it is serious, but the thing is, there's very little we can do.
	And laughing is the best medicine.
	Everyone involved seems like a clown.
	So, yes.
	This guy is a serious man, and he's actually pretty competent.
	And he's a senior enough Iranian official to know.
	Israel's got complete air superiority over Iran now.
	They're flying over Iran.
	Even taking out their drone going over Tehran that picked out a missile launcher that was driving through the city.
	I mean, it's crazy.
	So they have air dominance over...
	But then you've got to remember the geography of Iran.
	You have in the far east of the country, Mashhad, which is near the border with, I think, Afghanistan and is in the middle of the mountains.
	And that's the second biggest Iranian city and can function as a second capital.
	And they can keep sort of leading the fight from there.
	You have the mountains near the Persian Gulf, which are all full of...
	Not that they couldn't be taken out, but then these missile bases can be used to fire at any American base in the region.
	And so, so far, we've seen the Americans seriously accelerating their preparations for war.
	They had previously, before the Israelis began bombing, deployed B-2s.
	These are strategic stealth bombers to Diego Garcia.
	Is this the classic sort of UFO looking, you know, with the sort of...
	Not the one with the sharp lines, the one with the smooth lines.
	Right.
	The one that you're thinking about with the sharp lines is the F117, I believe.
	And that's a much older model.
	So they've deployed the B-2s closer to the theater.
	They've deployed aerial refueling aircraft again into the area, meaning that these are the assets that you would need if you wanted to keep the B-2 in the air for 24 hours, which is something that it can do.
	There's a microwave and a bed in the thing.
	And they have also removed a bunch of their ships from the Persian Gulf.
	Because these ships would be extremely vulnerable to Iranian anti-ship missiles.
	So the American military preparation is very real.
	And it's literally Steve Bannon, Tucker Carlson, and the rest of the mega crowd.
	Stephen Crowder came out with a good bunch of questions, saying, OK, let's say we do get involved in the war.
	First, is there any guarantee that we will destroy the Iranian nuclear capability?
	Second, is there any guarantee that the regime will change?
	Third, if there's nuclear capability and the same regime, even if some of the leaders are taken out, that pretty much guarantees that they will go for a weapon, doesn't it?
	And then there are all of the other consequences.
	What happens to this population?
	Do they march on Europe?
	Buy the millions?
	On that, I can say yes.
	Well, Labour are really worried about a wave of refugees from Iran because it would make Britain more white.
	And they don't want that.
	Millions of Aryans turn up.
	Yeah.
	Dilute the sort of Bangladeshi and Somalian population.
	Yes, and they would not get along because one group is Shia and the other group is Sunnah and already they're on the verge of fighting in the streets.
	Yeah, because one of the things that's really struck me, we were talking about this before the show, but, you know, some...
	Like my best mate, Darius.
	Darius Davies, great comedian.
	He's like second generation Iranian.
	Like his mum's English and his dad's Iranian.
	For some reason he talks like Ali G. I don't know how that works.
	Grew up in London, mate.
	Yeah, you grew up in London.
	Never been to Iran.
	Never been there.
	I'd like to hear him talk.
	You'd think he was like second in command in the Revolutionary Guard.
	People don't let go of their tribal loyalties and their heritage.
	And it's this whole sort of blank slate-ism that's been guiding the West for decades.
	Oh, if we bring all these people to the UK, they'll magically become British.
	And it's not happening.
	If anything, the second and third generation are clinging more tightly to their heritage.
	They become even more militant.
	they become even more militant.
	And the second generation of And it doesn't really change.
	And liberalism doesn't offer an answer because it doesn't offer an identity.
	If you have a strong identity that you can force people into assimilating into, you might address some of that issue.
	If you don't, then good luck, and all you get is ethnic warfare.
	But staying with the Iranians and the madness that we're seeing, The Israelis' own assessment is that it's very far from over.
	And they're briefing the media that, look, the Iranians can keep firing for a pretty long period of time, maybe up to five months, meaning that this can be an extended crisis.
	So Trump has decided to give, essentially, a...
	And it seems that the base so far has been successful in keeping the United States out of another major Middle Eastern mess, which is, I suppose, good news.
	Yeah, good old manga.
	Which is, I suppose, good news.
	Israeli assessment.
	This is Richard Kemp.
	He's very much pro-Israel.
	He's never seen an Israeli war or Middle Eastern war that he didn't like.
	And he's saying that, no, no, no, no, there's nothing that the Iranians can do.
	Almost half of their stockpile is consumed or destroyed, and therefore, this is a safe bet.
	The conclusion of that should be that there's no reason for the Americans to join.
	But, you know, that is not the conclusion that is being arrived at.
	And as far as the Iranians are concerned, there were stories earlier that everybody in Tehran is running away.
	Videos from within the city show that no, People are going to mosque and they're doing their prayers and what have you.
	And arguably, in a time of war, more people will show up to religious services than they otherwise would.
	And the public's reaction is, actually, even though we may or may not like the regime, we don't want it changed based on American military intervention.
	Are you sure that they're not like, oh, well, Netanyahu doesn't like them.
	Let's get rid of them.
	Apparently that's not how the Iranians actually think.
	Apparently this is a nation with a 5,000-year history and a very strong nationalist sentiment, and they don't think that foreigners should be telling them who to govern them, which is absolutely shocking.
	Somebody should inform Sadiq Khan.
	But this is where we are right now, and the Israelis are apparently running low on missile interceptors.
	So the picture isn't looking great, which brings us back to the first point that we're making, which is that the Israelis are doing everything that they can to drag the Americans into the war because they've started something that they can't finish.
	So I heard the Iranians saber-rattling at the Americans saying, oh, we're going to strike American bases.
	That strikes me as the stupidest thing.
	They're saying if the Americans join the war.
	Ah, right, okay.
	So it's not, we're going to start striking American bases.
	The Iranians have proven time and again that they're extremely deterrable.
	So after Hezbollah was destroyed, Hezbollah was said to be, by the foreign minister of Iran at the time, the crown jewel of the Islamic revolution.
	It got destroyed and the Iranians did not react.
	Because they were deterred and they are deterrable.
	But they never had a nuke, would they be so deterrable?
	Yes, because if I were to take the Shia theological position, which as a Christian I object to everything in Islam, but I have to take it seriously, there is nothing in Shia theology that would suggest that the Iranians would be justified in blowing up Israel and also everybody in Iran.
	Because they know that Israel can retaliate with a second strike.
	So if they nuked Israel, everything in Iran would get nuked.
	They're like an academic in London.
	It's wiping out Israel as a state, not the Jewish people.
	Just like an academic in London.
	These things sound very obscurantist.
	But they do matter because the Iranians have a Jewish population and they have Jewish representatives in parliament.
	But Islam doesn't view Jewish control of the Holy Land as in any way legitimate.
	And, you know, in the same way that breaking a government apart is different from murdering all of the people who are governed by that government, these are two separate things.
	This is the Iranian position.
	I have to state these things fairly.
	Because that's the only way I can do honest analysis.
	So that's what it is.
	Yes, they want to destroy the state of Israel.
	No, they don't want to murder all the Jews.
	Yes, there are things in Islam about Jews that are absolutely disturbing.
	So these three things are all true.
	That sort of stuff happens at the end times, not now.
	Precisely.
	Precisely.
	And it's this whole, because there's a lot of support amongst American politicians for Israel and I know some of it is because you've got AIPAC and there's a lot of money changing hands, it's like Qatar funding all the academics in London, but like Randy Fine, a congressman said "There's a reason the first time I shook Netanyahu's hand I did not wash it until I I mean, Netanyahu could sell soap made from his bath water and American politicians would be buying it by the ton.
	Yes.
	No, no.
	The Americans who are constantly pro-Israel no matter what, as opposed to, yes, we believe that the Israeli state is an ally and is important for us in the Middle East.
	Is that an evangelical Christian thing because they believe that… They've got the same name.
	You see how Ted Cruz got confused.
	Well, everybody called Ted is the same.
	There's also an economic reason for Israel to exist because it's, you know, it's a Western country and it's developed because, you know, they don't have a sort of culture of being medieval and running about just hanging off the back of a Toyota Hilux firing an AK-47 in the air.
	built a functioning Western modern state with a fantastic economy.
	Yes.
	Then all the other Gulf states sort of And you see Saudi Arabia and all these countries that you'd think would be opposed.
	And certainly decades ago were dedicated, were funding groups that were dedicated to wiping out Israel.
	They're allowing Israel to use its airspace.
	They're letting stuff be launched from their land.
	It's changed.
	I think money is...
	You know, if Israel didn't exist, you'd just have another bit of sand with people firing AK-47s in there.
	It wouldn't be, you know...
	Yeah, and then what destroyed Lebanon?
	Like, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians going in there.
	Islam tipping the balance and becoming a majority.
	100%.
	What I'm saying is that there is a lot more nuance to this, and we have one minute left on that segment.
	So in summary, we should bomb it.
	In summary, let's not.
	Isn't it easier, though, than working out all the nuance and stuff?
	There are second-order consequences.
	Isn't it easier than thinking?
	Yeah, it's easier.
	I'm glad it's Steve Bannon in the White House talking to Trump and not you.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Thank God for that.
	I respect Steve Bannon.
	I respect anybody who doesn't wash his clothes to save time so he's got more time for thinking.
	He's got more time for angry rants about foreigners.
	EC says, I believe the solution may be to offer Iran thorium salt reactors.
	If they refuse that offer, it means they really do want a nuclear weapon.
	So the thing is, it's like...
	I mean, I'm pretty sure they do want the nuclear weapon.
	They want the nuclear option.
	Yeah, exactly.
	They've used the nuclear option to extract concessions.
	Yeah.
	They want the nuclear option.
	From a strategic perspective, why would you not?
	It's crazy to not.
	Logan says, my money is this is India-Pakistan too, a lot of smoke, but this will blow over.
	I mean, I don't know, man.
	I hope so.
	Yeah, me too, but Iran has never actually done this before, right?
	Because Iran was always like, oh, I'm going to rattle my sabers, I'm going to fire a few missiles, it'll kill one Palestinian guy, and now it's like, no, okay, hospitals.
	Yeah, and also Israel has taken out so much of the Iranian top brass.
	You can sort of see who the Mossad spies are in Iran, because they're the ones who haven't been taken out.
	Yeah, the only ones left.
	Yeah, so I don't know.
	This feels a lot more serious to me.
	Doomham says, Teddy was throwing around the word isolationist too when he was talking to Tucker Carlson.
	The word they should be using is non-interventionist.
	Absolute cowardice.
	Sigil says, So Leo, what's racist today?
	According to APAC lobbyist Jay Sullivan on Twitter, Arizona iced tea being privately owned and not accepting investment is racist.
	It's anti-Semitic.
	Okay.
	Man, that's, you know, what's that?
	The ADL?
	The Anti-Defamation?
	Yeah.
	But man, I've got to say, organizations like that that go around saying, everything's anti-Semitic, they do more, they cause more, I've never seen an activist group like that that actually makes people feel more, you know, supported and hostile.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	They're pure poison.
	Yeah.
	And then when there is genuine antisemitism, like all the people who'd helped them, which is essentially the, you know, the...
	Normal people.
	The normal people.
	You know, the...
	They've alienated them by saying any slight thing that they do is anti-Semitic.
	And then you've got the pro-Palestinian protests and all the anti-Semitism.
	Well, that's the thing.
	The left is still like, oh no, we're not anti-Semitic.
	We just really hate you bombing Gaza.
	It's like, okay, yeah, well, you've lost a lot of those people, haven't you?
	Yeah.
	So it's like the Israel lobby is basically on its own at this point.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	The level of unpopularity for Israel in the West is unprecedented.
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	Among Westerners as opposed to among immigrants.
	And within a couple of generations, you know, with the demographic changes that are happening, and especially in Europe, I mean, we're going to see Britain and Europe funding and arming Iran instead of Israel.
	Probably, yeah.
	The Engage View says, any smooth brain who thinks sustained bombing will make a population turn against their government has learned nothing from Dresden and Tokyo.
	Yeah, I mean, the thing is...
	And it's like, oh, that was fucking stupid, wasn't it?
	And all of a sudden, the Canadian libs become ultra-nationalist, and they're goose-stepping down the road with little maple leaf armbands on and stuff.
	And it's like, that was just silly.
	It's absolutely silly, and it's about lack of recognition for the dignity of the sovereignty of the country.
	When you start actually bombing them and taking out the leadership, it's like, okay.
	It backfires.
	It completely backfires.
	Nobody likes to be humiliated by a foreign power.
	No, exactly.
	That's the long and short of it.
	Exactly.
	And by the neocon logic of bombing Iran will make regime change, then theoretically the Luftwaffe could have bombed us into speaking German.
	Exactly.
	It wasn't going to happen, and people don't really respond that way.
	And speaking of which, let's go on to Mexico, because Trump really should start bombing Mexico to force them into compliance, is Trump's opinion, and the Mexican government has a different opinion.
	So I thought that what we would do is talk about the cartels, right?
	Because the cartels is...
	actually crazy just how much of essentially a failed state Mexico is.
	And the fact that the, the Mexican government will accept no, Right, so we'll talk about just some of the cartels, right?
	As you can see from the Financial Times, just last year this was.
	The US Drug Enforcement Administration basically calls Mexico's top cartels just transnational criminal organizations.
	Because all they do is traffic arms, money laundering, they smuggle migrants, they do sex trafficking, bribery, drugs, everything you can imagine.
	I mean, like...
	And it's kind of crazy.
	We'll get down to a map on here.
	So, you've got nine major cartels, but there are three really big boys that operate.
	And the Mexican government just can't get a handle on them because they're way too powerful.
	So, according to this from last year, about a third of the country, according to the US military, is controlled by these cartels, as in sovereignly controlled.
	Yes.
	Like, the Mexican government does not have the opportunity to do things there.
	And so the Financial Times say, as the cartel's economic power has grown, so has their international reach.
	Mexico's two top cartels now run a network of illegal activities stretching across South America that is challenging governments and alarming citizens.
	Battles between local affiliates of the CJNG and the Sonoda cartel have previously turned peaceful Ecuador into one of the world's most violent countries.
	You've got an open world video game.
	It's like, yeah, I'm going to go and serve the king and get this, or I'm going to become a bandit leader, and I'm going to make a fortune.
	And this is genuinely what's happened, except in Mexico the bandits are winning, right?
	And so obviously they're trafficking drugs, fentanyl, billions and billions of dollars worth of firearms, drugs, and humans, and anything else bad that you can imagine, right?
	I think it's $150 billion.
	It is unbelievable.
	It is a really significant portion of the Mexican economy, probably slightly below remittances from the United States.
	No, remittances are 30 billion.
	No, no, they're not.
	They're 60 billion.
	I looked it up.
	It's actually second.
	It's actually just below.
	Anyway, so the point being, you've got various...
	Like, we can talk about Israel and Iran, but there's a real issue right on the border, right?
	How many people do you think are killed in Mexico by the cartels every year?
	It's got to be, like, tens of thousands.
	30,000 a year.
	30,000.
	That's 82 people a day murdered in Mexico by cartels.
	Yeah.
	And that's just the average.
	Obviously, some years are worse than others.
	And that's just the murders.
	There are obviously kidnappings and various extortions and all this sort of stuff.
	May I interrupt for a moment?
	The worst actually is disappearances.
	Yes.
	Because they're not counted as murders.
	I don't know if you're going to touch on this and the relationship between Claudia Sheinbaum and the cartels.
	Oh, well, we can do later.
	So, yeah, because Mexico just got, like, last year it got this progressive female Jewish, you know, all the, like, the Jacinda Ardern of Latin America.
	Imagine 30,000 people being murdered by, like, rampant, like, sovereign cartels.
	You're like, you know what, I'm going to vote left.
	I'm going to vote left.
	Yeah.
	We've got too much law and order around here, guys.
	Sorry, go on.
	No, that's it.
	Okay.
	Anyway, so the Mexican government in 2006 officially declared war on these, and it's gone badly for the Mexican government.
	So, brilliant.
	Mexico's only got about 270,000 soldiers under arms.
	The cartels are about 150,000.
	Really bad.
	The cartels probably have more staff on the front line instead of in HR and diversity departments and things like that.
	That's probably true, yeah.
	I bet they have very few people staffing the HR departments.
	But anyway, so this has been going on for 20 years.
	And the previous president, Andreas Manuel Lopez Obrador, announced the creation of a new National Guard in 2019, but the tactics, as the...
	Failed to curb the violence.
	The homicide rates dropped marginally, but it's still well over 30,000.
	And Mexico's 2024 general election was the most violent in decades.
	Attacks on journalists have continued at record highs.
	One journalist is murdered a week in Mexico, which I'm not going to make a joke about.
	And, of course, any anti-corruption reforms were floundered.
	And so if you look at the 2024 Mexican election, Jeez!
	60!
	Like, they've got a list, right?
	They've got a list, and it just goes on.
	This is just in one election campaign.
	This is over a decade.
	2024, right?
	So basically, anybody who challenges a local cartel gets killed.
	And if you are on the payroll of another cartel, you'll get killed for that.
	Some of them are people who wanted to stand up to the cartel.
	Some of them were on the payroll of their own cartel.
	And it's just mad how they're just drive-by shootings, killed while getting out of his vehicle, killed before giving his last campaign speech, one of six people shot in a clash between armed civilians.
	Ah, yes, armed civilians.
	You know, it's just four dismembered bodies.
	Oh, my God!
	So who would be a politician?
	If you're going to get tortured, if your family's going to get tortured, like Gomez's son was also killed, this is, I mean, who would be a politician?
	Well, that's the question, because there are towns in northern Mexico that just don't have mayors or police chiefs, things like this.
	They just don't have them.
	Yeah.
	Because you don't live long enough to survive, to see the actual inauguration of yourself into the position, let alone anything else.
	Yeah.
	So, like, it genuinely is absolutely mental that just south of the US border is some kind of, like, I don't know, it's kind of like...
	Marco-terrorist failed state.
	Yeah.
	That's the description you're looking for.
	But it's, like, but it's more than that, because it's, like...
	It's more than like a civil war.
	The Mexican cartels don't want to knock off the Mexican government because the Mexican government is too weak to do anything.
	Because if they do that, then international intervention is absolutely justified.
	And so at the moment, the only thing preventing international intervention is the Mexican government.
	And it's just like, okay.
	But when I went to Mexico, it seemed Obviously, like, I went to touristy bits, I went to Isla de Mujer.
	Yeah, because the cartels aren't stupid.
	Went down to Coba, and everywhere there was, like, but there was the signs of a functioning state.
	Everywhere, like, worked, and everywhere, like, you know, people had jobs and shops.
	Yeah, because the cartels aren't stupid, right?
	They're not just going to start, like, terrorizing tourist areas and stuff like this.
	What they're going to make sure is that the threads, the network that they're working in, that's all fine.
	And so you don't go to those places.
	You don't get to see random bodies chopped up in the desert or something, and the drug mules trafficking all these drugs and all the guns and stuff like that.
	You go to the nice little touristy place, and well, it looks fine to me.
	Of course it does, but 30,000 people a year are being murdered over this, and loads of them are politicians.
	Anyway, so the question is, how many people do they have?
	And estimates vary.
	One estimate is 175,000.
	Now, that's not all soldiers.
	But there are going to be a lot of, I guess we'll call them soldiers.
	Seems like a fair description of them.
	Because they are actually armed to the teeth.
	They have, again, just tracing the guns, somewhere between 200,000 to 600,000 guns are brought into Mexico to be used by the cartels.
	Lots of them do stem from the United States that are trafficked across the border.
	Something like 253,000 a year.
	Traffic across the border.
	And so the Mexican cartels look like just paramilitaries.
	I mean, just look at these dudes.
	No wonder the Mexican government can't get a bloody handle on them.
	It's like rogue armies just running around Mexico completely fueled by cocaine money and fentanyl money and killing anyone who gets in their way with no one to actually stop them.
	You've got to remember that the...
	So they're all messed up.
	They're not taking drug tests.
	Exactly.
	No, they're all messed up while they're fighting.
	Yeah.
	Meaning that they're sort of, you know, fearless super soldiers attacking the military and doing these insane, horrific things.
	They've got sniper rifles, they've got body armor, they've got armor.
	I was going to say, they've got anti-tank weapons.
	Recently, they actually shot down a Mexican military helicopter, which is the first time they've actually taken out a proper piece of military armament.
	So that's going to be obviously something you're like, oh right, we can actually just start winning battles against the Mexican military.
	And the Mexican military's always been terrible anyway.
	So it's like, okay, great.
	Why don't they just do what Bukele did?
	Because they don't have the power to.
	They don't have the political will.
	They are too corrupt and nobody in leadership has enough authority in part because of the way that it's a federal structure.
	And anyone who would get to that point gets killed long before they get there.
	So how come this Scheinbaum got into power?
	Well, let me tell you.
	Yes, please.
	On your story.
	Yeah.
	So she was mayor of Mexico City before that, and she was an ally of AMLO, who I think you had a piece about how he advocated for hugs, not bullets.
	So he was the previous leader, the previous president of the St. Marina Party.
	Sorry, I forgot to mention that.
	Yeah, he was essentially a pacifist.
	You remember David Cameron's hug hoodie?
	Well, that's basically what he was campaigning.
	That's why you got to bomb Iran.
	To be charitable to him, to be charitable to him.
	It was conceivable that he thought that bringing the cartels into the legal economy would stop them being in the illegal economy, try to make aristocrats.
	I mean, that's true.
	Technically, definitionally true.
	It's conceivable, but it was not going to happen.
	So he effectively decriminalized the drug trade.
	He decriminalized the cartels and decided not to fight them.
	And then this lady was mayor of Mexico City and his anointed successor.
	And she had a problem because the murder rate in Mexico City was too high.
	She managed to bring the murder rate down.
	How did she do that?
	The disappearances rate went through the roof.
	The cartels decided to do her a solid and to disappear the bodies of the people that they were murdering.
	This is how vicious these people running Mexico are.
	This is how evil they are.
	But her image, her public image is all like, oh, we're going to be so woke.
	I wouldn't buy a journalist in a slave market for $2 to free him.
	Yeah.
	Because that's what the media is.
	And we're not even going into detail about the tortures and the revenge killings and stuff like that.
	It's genuinely...
	Well, they're the same people, basically.
	He's too kind for putting them in jail.
	Oh, I agree.
	Half of them should easily be executed.
	I agree, totally.
	So these are the people who are effectively running the country right on America's doorstep.
	Yeah.
	And apparently the Americans would have bought me Ryan.
	Yeah, well, that's not...
	And with Bumbles.
	Well, that's basically just me.
	Let's bomb everyone.
	Trump was like, we've got enough bombs for everyone, to be honest.
	Trump did suggest this back in 2019, right?
	But AMLO was like, no, how dare you, sir, suggest you come and help us with this terrible cartel problem.
	Presumably he had a gun at his back or something.
	But no, they rejected it.
	I mean, Trump was like, look, we can just send special forces in, because unlike Mexico, America's army is actually capable of winning wars, winning battles.
	And AMLO said, cooperation, yes.
	Intervention, no.
	And it's like, look, man.
	Anything that is done with the Mexican state is going to be an intervention.
	Because you're not really capable of projecting power across your own territory.
	They can't control Mexico City.
	No.
	Mexico's navy has never won a battle.
	It's never won a naval engagement.
	Their army, if you look at the military history of Mexico, it is catastrophically bad.
	They lost California.
	They lost Texas.
	And they lost wars that they started with the United States.
	Like, they've just got a long cavalcade of failure.
	And because it's always been, essentially, it's an ex-Spanish imperial state, right?
	So, the Spanish are crap.
	I've always wondered about, like, Latin America.
	They're terrible.
	How come Latin America hasn't seen, I mean, Argentina used to, I guess, but it hasn't seen the same sort of level of success as Americans.
	Spanish institutions, that's why.
	It's a long conversation I won't get into, but the point is, Mexico can't do anything about this itself, right?
	And so Trump in 2019 was like, look, we can just designate these drug gangs as terrorist groups, then go in and bomb them, and just, you know, get our special forces coming, clear them out, just shoot them all, and then Mexico can actually have sovereignty of its own territory.
	And they said, no, how dare you, sir, suggest that we're not capable of doing this.
	And so five years later, Trump's still like, hang on a second, you haven't dealt with this.
	You know, five years later, there's 150,000 dead people.
	In fact, it's probably more than that.
	But, like, the point being, Trump's like, look, we can still do this.
	And so, you know, last year, do you want to do it?
	And so then Scheinbaum comes in, and she's like, no!
	No, I don't want help.
	And it's like, what is wrong with you, right?
	This is a literal quote from Scheinbaum.
	I told him, no, President Trump, our territory is inviolable, our sovereignty is inviolable.
	No, it's not.
	Have you told the gangs this?
	Have you tried explaining this to the gangs?
	She says, while the two countries collaborate, we will never accept the presence of the US Army in our territory.
	Well, okay, have a second.
	Can we not just, on the map, say, look, the territory occupied by the gangs is not your territory?
	Because then it's not such a problem.
	That's most of Mexico.
	Sorry?
	That's most of Mexico.
	That's true.
	That means that Mexico doesn't really exist.
	You're sovereign over the presidential palace.
	Possibly.
	We assume.
	But this is the point, right?
	It's all about front.
	It's all about face.
	No, I would rather 30,000 people a year die than have the American army come in and clear out these cartels because that makes me look weak and embarrassed.
	It's like, but you are weak and embarrassed.
	And your pride is getting tens of, and it's not just hers, it's every Mexican bloody administration, is getting tens of thousands of people killed and allowing the worst outgrowth of vice to enrich itself.
	And essentially just take over the country.
	So it's crazy how this kind of old-world-style pride is being actually responsible for the ruination of a major country.
	And is the majority of the money for the cartels coming from the sale of cocaine in America?
	It's not just cocaine.
	Meth, amphetamines, people trafficking.
	All of the worst things you can imagine being done.
	And yeah, they're getting unbelievably rich off it.
	Can't they do something to stop the...
	say, like, if you intercepted some shipments of cocaine and put, like, drugs in them that change your gender, then nobody's going to want to do...
	I don't know, it might be popular in California.
	It might make it worse.
	What if it stops?
	What if it blocks?
	Put something that blocks gender transition drugs.
	What if you're putting testosterone in it?
	Yeah, put testosterone in it.
	Make it more manly.
	Yeah, make people manly and it'll give them lots of energy.
	You'll have the super race for the future.
	I mean, all they did is just make the drugs legal.
	So, you know, that doesn't solve the problem.
	Or decriminalizing drugs so people aren't buying them off the cartels, although obviously the cartels would They did try that.
	It just didn't work.
	So yeah, anyway, the point being is that Trump recently was like, look, we can still help you.
	I mean, Trump's completely right.
	I love the way that Trump speaks, right?
	He's like, the cartels are horrible people.
	They've been killing people left and right, and they've made a fortune on selling drugs and destroying our people.
	The president of Mexico is a lovely woman, but she's so afraid of the cartels, she can't even think straight.
	True.
	There is no debating that.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Trump is so on the money, and the situation in Mexico is so bad that, honestly, I'm at the point now where it's like, look, Trump, he clearly, you know, he's in his last time, he wants to be a bit of an imperial president, right?
	It's like, yeah, I'm going to annex Canada.
	It's like, well, okay, but you could actually do some good on your own southern border by just, you know, sending it right.
	Oh, God.
	Anderson Cannon.
	Just have another Democrat state.
	If he'd have just walked in, instead of like, Instead of announcing it.
	If he just said like, Does anybody want to join America?
	We'll allow you to join as a, you know, create some sort of, you know, EU style, you know, do it softly, like China's doing with the east of Russia.
	It's just opening up economic avenues and, you know, then suddenly all the menus are in Mandarin and stuff.
	And before you know it, oh, what do you know?
	They've got Manchuria back and they didn't have to fire a gun.
	The point being, though, if Trump actually wanted to do something useful in another country, this would be it, I think.
	Yes.
	And it'd be good for America as well.
	Yes.
	I mean, destroying the cartels.
	How many people a year die of fentanyl?
	It'd be good for humanity, man.
	Absolutely.
	Killing gangsters is good.
	Yes.
	Anyway.
	So you take fentanyl and stuff like that.
	It's just so, it's such grim.
	Like, drugs are so, like, just grim and a waste of time.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	Sizzlestone says, all of this really puts into focus what Sheinbaum meant when she said, we will mobilize if Trump taxes remittances.
	Yeah, I did enjoy that threat.
	It's like, you're going to mobilize what?
	You're going to memorize nothing.
	You have nothing.
	You're not going to do anything.
	And he says, my government uses my tax money to buy guns.
	They ban me from money and give those guns to cartels.
	This is actually true.
	Obama passed a bunch of guns to the cartels.
	It was supposed to be an operation to trace the guns and identify the cartels.
	And then they lost track of the guns they were tracing.
	So they just ended up giving them a bunch of guns.
	You had one job!
	Amazing.
	Just send in the Marines.
	Anyway, let's move on.
	So we're going to look at now, should we abolish whiteness?
	It's a very fashionable idea that's taken hold in our institutions with top universities, academics, newspapers, politicians, even the Church of England.
	The Welsh Government.
	Yeah, the Welsh Government, which was...
	At one point, all the...
	Actually said it.
	At one point, all the leaders in the UK, like Hamza Yusuf, whatever the Welsh...
	Oh, yeah.
	What's his name?
	Leo Varadkar.
	Yeah, Leo Varadkar and Rishi.
	Rishi as well.
	Everyone was non-white.
	We'd sort of abolish whiteness.
	It was seen as a golden era.
	Accident.
	What a total coincidence.
	Yeah, so this idea...
	These ideas, they start off in universities and then spread.
	Is abolishing whiteness a good idea?
	racial genocide.
	A good idea now.
	Luckily we know we're going to look at some places in a moment where Look at history and say, no, it's not.
	This has been abolished.
	In Haiti, Liberia and Zimbabwe, they've all tried this experiment of abolishing whiteness.
	So we'll find out if it delivered some sort of free Or, in fact, the diversity trainers and academics are wrong.
	But yeah, you can see some of these ideas.
	So Cambridge University, one of our grandest institutions.
	Founded in like 1380 or something.
	Literally founded before most of these people arrived in their foreign lands.
	Sorry, go on.
	Well, this is Dr. Priyamvada Gopal, an Indian-born academic at Cambridge University, And she also tweeted, Abolish whiteness, which is nice.
	Obviously, she herself is the product of immense privilege.
	She's the privately educated daughter of a diplomat and a member of the elite Indian Brahmin cast.
	She also has the privilege of being comfortable with outdoor toilets.
	So if a white person tweeted this about a non-white race, they'd go straight to jail.
	Like straight to jail Don't collect $200.
	You wouldn't need to wait for the hope-not-hate PDF.
	Like, straight to jail.
	You know what I mean?
	She wasn't jailed.
	She was promoted by Cambridge University and all the academics.
	So I can kind of explain what she's saying with it, right?
	When she says abolish...
	So she said white lives don't matter as white lives.
	And in a separate tweet she said abolish whiteness.
	Yeah, so white lives don't matter as white lives.
	What she's saying there is the category of white is, for her, a socially constructed cultural category, right?
	Now, I appreciate that this is a kind of bait and switch, because obviously this is what I'm saying is in the construct of whiteness, and whiteness being white Protestant Anglo-Saxon culture that respects, you know, Telling the truth, following the rules, showing up on time, individual rights, private property.
	Not being someone who was raised in a mud hut sort of thing is basically what she's saying.
	And so she would say, look...
	That's when white people are valuable to her.
	So she would say, I'm not calling for the genocide of white people.
	What I'm saying is the abolition of their culture is what's important.
	So they have to live like an African for them to become a valuable person.
	I quite like white culture.
	Well, yeah, exactly.
	Sorry if that's a hate crime.
	Weirdly, I like the culture I was raised in, and I'm comfortable with it, and I think it's the way that we should do these things.
	But that's her get-out clause, and that's why she would have been promoted in Harvard or Cambridge, wherever it was.
	It's interesting that academics say that...
	They just called themselves people.
	But that just shows that there wasn't mass immigration prior to, like, you know, 1950.
	People never used the exception that proves the case in the exact meaning of...
	Yeah, you never see a person who's not white.
	You don't think of yourself as a white person because there have been But if we encountered a race of four-legged people, suddenly it would become an important distinction.
	Yeah, then we'd be like two-legged people, and that would be a social invention of two-legged people.
	Anyway, and also Bahar Mustafa, who's the Goldsmith Student Diversity Officer, she tweeted urging people to kill all white men.
	So, and then the media defended it, obviously.
	Said, it's just funny, haha, you know what I mean?
	No, no, please explain.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Bahar Mustafa is now, she's something to do with the Cystic Fibrosis Trust, so make sure to increase your donations.
	She does the, you know, whatever it is, some made-up job.
	Basically, man, cancel.
	If you give money to a charity, cancel.
	That donation straight away, all it's going to is going to people who hate your country and want to turn everybody gay and abolish whiteness.
	Not even gay, they probably see turning gay as some sort of oppressive thing now because gay isn't enough.
	Gays are privileged versus trans people.
	Yeah, so you've got to be some sort of genderqueer.
	Gays are the white people of the LGBTQ.
	They genuinely say that.
	That's how they say it.
	They genuinely say that.
	So cancel your charity subscriptions and donate.
	Instead, get a Lotus Eaters subscription.
	or Leo Kearse has got a Patreon why don't he put his amazing content on there and none of the money All the money goes to me being a dick.
	Anyway.
	Oh wait.
	We can expect ridiculous ideas like, you know, abolish whiteness to flourish in places like Goldsmiths University, Cambridge University, but it's also happening in the Church of England, which you might think the Church of England would be nice to white people, given that they're the only people limp enough to actually go to the Church of England.
	Assuming I knew nothing about the Church of England, yeah, I might think that.
	So this is a church archdeacon, the venerable Dr. Miranda Threlfall Holmes, archdeacon of Liverpool, who wrote on Twitter, it was very good, very interesting, and made me realise, she's talking about a training, an anti-whiteness training, abolishing whiteness training she went on, it made me realise, whiteness is to race as patriarchy is to gender.
	I mean, it's good.
	She's right, and I'm for it.
	I'm one of them pro-patriarchy at this point.
	I mean, to be honest, at the moment, the way I see the patriarchy is people are like, oh, the patriarchy, it's set up by men to give men power.
	It's like, no, it was set up by women to ensure men behaved in a way that supported families and supported women.
	Another way of looking at patriarchy is rule of dads.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, I'm a dad.
	I agree.
	We're all dads, right?
	Yeah, patriarchy.
	Rule of dads.
	We're in toast and in favour of it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	If there's one class of people who's looking out for everyone else, it's the dads.
	The dads.
	We need a dadocracy.
	No, 100%.
	We need a dadocracy.
	I am entirely in favour of it.
	I think we should...
	Apparently I'm alt-right.
	I didn't know that.
	I only found out yesterday.
	I said the other day, this is basically just the dad-right.
	I just see it, like, all different layers of, like, Zoomers who have just had their first kids.
	Dadocrats is the way to go.
	Dadocrats is the way to go.
	It has a nice ring to it.
	So, yeah, so she said, and this is about the training she went on, so yes, let's have anti-whiteness and let's smash the patriarchy.
	That's not anti-white or anti-men.
	anti-oppression.
	It's anti-good.
	She says anti-whiteness isn't anti-white.
	I'm pretty sure it is.
	You know what I mean?
	It's literally in the phrase anti-whiteness.
	Again, what she's saying is if you're living like some African bushman, then you're fine.
	But while you're not living like an African bushman, you're oppressing me.
	And honestly, if that's the case, then I'm pro-oppression.
	I'm not going to live like an African bushman and neither are my kids.
	And they have such a naive and patronising understanding of what, you know, Aboriginal, like what indigenous tribes were like.
	They think they're all like, Remember they're like, oh, they don't have a word for rape.
	Oh, that means that rape doesn't exist.
	Oh, there we go.
	The word rape was invaded by patriarchy to protect women from being raped.
	Just FYI.
	But anyway, let's carry on.
	So this is an idea, the abolishing whiteness thing, it's been propagated out to wider society with one in six hiring managers reporting being told to stop hiring white men.
	And it's in our schools as well with teachers instructed into how to disrupt the centrality of whiteness and parents told to be white traitors.
	And obviously, you know, any sort of, all the cultural stuff.
	We saw Sophie Duker on the Frankie Boyle show being like, ah, kill whitey, it's all through our culture.
	You'll have seen it, you know, so many times and they make it blatant.
	So, you know, if you'd say, you know, something like this.
	This was in South Africa, wasn't it?
	F white people.
	So they say a court ruled it's neither racist nor hate speech.
	But if you say the faintest, most codified thing against a non-white people, then you're literally going to go straight to jail.
	To be fair, this does represent the demographic breakdown on dating apps though, right?
	We've seen people like Sam Melia get sent to jail for distributing stickers that said things.
	They showed these in court.
	All it said was, it's okay to be white.
	So saying it's okay to be white is a racist hate crime.
	You go to jail.
	Saying F white people is not racist and not hate speech.
	None of this.
	I'm glad you've worked out how this works.
	This is why Leo's currently not in jail.
	I'd give it a few weeks.
	Exactly.
	And also people are So Dawn Butler from Britain's ruling Labour Party explains why white people are worse than her because she's black.
	I think we can play a little bit.
	Can we play this, Samson?
	You wanted to see me broken, head bowed and tears in my eyes.
	More for you, you didn't realise that my strength is powered by your eyes.
	You are the wrong one, the violent one, the weird one.
	Whereas I, I am the chosen one because I am one of the first ones.
	You see the skin I'm in?
	This beautiful wahogony brown.
	This skin you don't like, I believe.
	So why you try so hard to achieve by burning yourself in the sun?
	For me, there's no need.
	Because I am the chosen one.
	For I am one of the first ones.
	I know I'm black and beautiful.
	An African freedom fighter.
	My skin is my protection.
	Your friends don't matter.
	Because I am the chosen one.
	For I am one of the first ones.
	You created a structure that made you seem great.
	But the simple reality is.
	It is all fate, because I am the chosen one.
	But I am of the first one.
	So you wanted to see me broken?
	Head bowed and tears in my eyes.
	More for you you haven't realized.
	My strength is despite your lies.
	Why is there a chair at the end?
	And why is the chair white?
	That she's elevated by sitting on white thing?
	I have no idea.
	I don't understand.
	You know, in the old days when you'd record over a James Bond film and that's what's happened here.
	But look what she said there.
	It's like, look, you created this giant great world of all things that means I can use an iPhone to call you a racist online.
	And...
	No, no, but she's got a point.
	Seriously.
	When she's like, this is all fake, it's like, yeah, no, this is artificial, right?
	This wasn't natural.
	It didn't spring out of the ground fully formed.
	No, we, we, by the long process of being We built a civilisation that you now live in and sit there and go, yeah, I hate this civilisation.
	Why aren't I living in a mud hut in Africa?
	Sorry, Dawn.
	I'm really sorry.
	Like, Jesus Christ.
	And you might be thinking that, you know, surely these academics and politicians and all the rest of it, they don't actually want to abolish whiteness.
	They just mean abolish white cultural behaviours, like being able to form a queue or listen to music on public transport through headphones instead of through the phone's main speaker.
	Or establish a civilisation, like you said.
	And it's like, no, they literally and explicitly state that they want to wipe out white people.
	So Harvard, this is Harvard University magazine.
	Good old Ignatiev.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And he says, the goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists.
	I mean, oh, I'm sorry for wanting to exist.
	Jesus!
	I didn't realise that me being allowed to breathe was white supremacy.
	The only person in opposition to Noel Ignatiev is Adolf Hitler himself.
	That's the only person.
	And here's an academic Zeus Leonardo from UC Berkeley, another esteemed institution.
	His name is actually Zeus.
	That's a cool name, though.
	Okay.
	And so that's why I'm coming up with this recent understanding that to abolish whiteness is to abolish white people.
	That's very uncomfortable, perhaps, but it asks about our definitions of what race is and what racial justice might mean.
	Okay?
	So, again, Roediger is asking the same question.
	He's explicitly saying, you know, we want to wipe out white people.
	So, okay, again, he would say, ah, but what I'm doing is actually a very clever trick.
	I'm saying that we should abolish the category of white.
	And therefore, I mean, who's committing all the hate crimes, right?
	So I'm actually kind of in favour of this.
	If we abolish the category of white, I can't go to jail for being a racist.
	So, you know, checkmate, Zeus.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's getting so unpopular to be white these days that some people are actually racially transitioning, like Rachel Dolezal, who caused uproar when it was revealed that the...
	Ironically, it was Germanic, I think.
	Right.
	Literally parents from Germany.
	She got the hairline of, you know that Somalian rapper who's on TikTok?
	She's got with a Klingon hairline that starts halfway back.
	She managed to get that.
	I don't know, that's pretty convincing.
	And in the culture, we're asked, you know, why is it a problem?
	A Sky reporter on the next tab literally says to Robert Jenrick, Why would it be a problem?
	I think there are certain places in this country where people are not living side by side, where we are a very divided, segregated society.
	If you look at the centre of Bradford, for example, 50% of people were not born in the UK.
	If you look at the centre of Luton, almost 50% of people only arrived in the UK in the last 10 years.
	If you look at parts of Dagenham, the white British population has reduced by 50% in the If only someone wasn't in the government that was doing this to us.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He was the bloody immigration minister under Boris, wasn't he?
	Yeah, I mean, he's had a bit of a...
	He was directly involved in it.
	Like the Boris wave came in under his wife.
	He's like, oh, actually, maybe swamping the country with millions of foreigners isn't actually what I signed up for.
	But like, come on man.
	I think a lot of people are sort of sold this utopian It's a religious belief that multiculturalism is good and it's going to benefit the country.
	And now we're seeing that it's not a good thing.
	Actually, countries function better when they're As someone from the Middle East, the idea that multiculturalism is a good idea, Yeah, look at all the places.
	Look where multiculturalism has been taken to its logical extent.
	I'm a man from Lebanon.
	You know what?
	I'm a bit worried about this.
	Come on, guys.
	Like this is just, have you seen this?
	Lebanon, Syria, Yugoslavia, these are places where multiculturalism has been tried.
	We don't need to have sort of arcane academic theory to decide what's going to happen.
	We can see what is happening.
	And why you take a country like Britain, like Albion, that had such a solid, cohesive culture all the way through it, from top to bottom, we were like Japan.
	And then be like, no, you know what we need?
	We need to destroy this high-trust society and just bring in lots of people from random cultures.
	Not even like, you know, a lot of immigration is high-skilled, is culturally assimilable.
	Yeah, but most of it isn't.
	And, you know, people from Japan, you know, I've never heard anybody complain about, you know, So much of our immigration, the people from the Mirpur Valley that came into post-industrial towns.
	It's not even just that.
	The immigration figures themselves, it's something like, what was it, 100,000 or 200,000 were actual workers, but like 300,000 were dependents.
	So it's like, what are you doing?
	And then once people are here, then you get chain migration where friends and family can follow them.
	It's nuts.
	So yeah, people say, well, white people, like this is Ed Krasenstein.
	He says, white people will one day no longer exist.
	It's just a matter of time.
	Who cares?
	Who cares?
	Why would anybody care?
	So who cares?
	Well, we know what happens.
	I care about me existing and my people existing.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Well, have you considered that that's racist?
	Well, let's just see, because we've abolished whiteness in some places.
	That's true.
	Maybe it's worked out really well, such as Haiti.
	Look at the number of shootings that have clearly gone down, because that guy has a wooden gun.
	This guy, yeah.
	I didn't even realise this until Samson pointed it out.
	Why is he holding it that way?
	He's holding it.
	Like you swing a stick, you don't...
	Do you not remember the cargo cults?
	This is a cargo cult of a man who's got a gun.
	The murder rate from shootings is doubtlessly down in Haiti, so I don't know what you're complaining about, Leo.
	By the look of it, the murder rate from beatings is also down.
	Well, maybe.
	That's that.
	So he...
	Starvation up though, so...
	It was the most profitable colony in the world.
	It produced a huge portion of the world's sugar and coffee.
	And it now ranks among the poorest nations in the world and produces a huge portion of the world's barbecued human testicles.
	So Haiti's wealth was generated.
	There was slavery.
	It was pretty brutal.
	Nobody disputes the cruelty of that system.
	Especially British people who ended slavery.
	Hey, you're welcome.
	You know what I mean?
	I mean, that guy is literally called General Barbecue.
	I mean, it's a fun thing, like, you know, in Britain.
	Are you invited to eat or are you on the menu?
	Are you a guest or are you on the menu?
	They start rubbing you with a marinade when you get there.
	Just eat the mud cookies.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Yeah.
	So then there's a revolution in 1791 and it's portrayed by the left as a simple slave uprising killing white oppressors.
	But Haitian society was more complex than this.
	They had a layer of free black Haitians who often owned slaves themselves.
	And mixed race.
	Positioned above the whites who were themselves separated by class and European origin with the French hated the most and some other nationalities respected for sometimes siding against the French.
	And then after independence Which, apparently, according to his academics, is good.
	And, you know, to give an idea of how much these guys hated white people, Dessalines' secretary, Boisron Tonner, stated, For our declaration of independence, we should have the skin of a white man for parchment, his skull for an inkwell, his blood for ink, and a bayonet for a pen!
	So he should really be a professor at Harvard.
	That's the right attitude.
	And, yeah, thousands of white people were killed.
	There was the Haitian massacre of white people and the new Haitian constitution banned whites from owning property or becoming citizens Even sympathetic white allies who had supported the revolution were expelled or murdered, so be careful what you wish for or side with, all you leftists.
	So what you're saying is it's not all bad.
	Yeah, it's like the Iranian revolution.
	You know when all the socialists execute it.
	It's bad, but a bunch of leftists also got it.
	Yeah, they got what they wanted.
	Exactly.
	They got what they campaigned for.
	So, yeah, this was an ethnic policy of racial purification.
	By abolishing whiteness, Haiti destroyed its administrative class.
	So a lot of professionals, merchants and technicians were either white or mixed race.
	So their removal created a power vacuum and led to the collapse of the bureaucracy that sustains society.
	Haiti also shut itself off economically.
	So by annihilating and expelling the French planter class, Haiti lost the expertise and international relationships necessary to maintain large scale agriculture and trade and it invited permanent international isolation, so the US and European powers viewed the racial violence with horror and France demanded reparations in 1825 for the Okay, bad.
	Long series of bad things.
	Yeah, long series of bad things that came from this abolishing whiteness.
	But I'm sure it worked in Zimbabwe.
	We're going to move on.
	We're going to move on.
	I mean, basically, Haiti now has had over 30 coups since, for any Scottish listeners, I'm not talking about cattle.
	They've had 30 military overthrows or attempted overthrows of the government.
	Nearly as many as in France itself.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And yeah, there's no, I mean, right now there's no semblance of a sort of stable functioning government in Haiti.
	It's run by...
	You don't even need, you don't even need a gun.
	You can have this, like, stick gun and you can still run around.
	It's mental.
	In 2024, gangs attacked the National Penitentiary and freed over 4,000 other gang members.
	There's thousands of kidnappings every year.
	But enough about Hillary Clinton.
	One of Clinton's people got arrested and is currently in jail.
	Trying to smuggle...
	Laura Silsby, I think her name was.
	Literally trying to smuggle orphans out of Haiti.
	So, like, actually that is somewhere that apparently there's a weird network of people who steal children.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And, you know, I'm not sure how humanitarian that would have been.
	Or if it's...
	Well...
	So it was all for good cause.
	So Haiti is a completely failed state.
	Police stations have been abandoned.
	Children are unable to attend school.
	So the white population, I mean, they did successfully abolish whiteness.
	So they will get an extra bit of DEI funding.
	The white population of Haiti is now pretty much zero, except when virtue-signalling lefties fly in to score some virtue-signalling points against Trump.
	So, yeah.
	On the plus side, we can now see what a libertarian anarcho state looks like, free from the tyranny of government.
	On the downside, it turns out, you do need a bit of government tyranny to stop people eating each other.
	Just as a quick thing, though, I can't help but feel that if, for some reason, say, maybe Yorkshire's government collapses or something, probably not going to turn into Zimbabwe, though, is it?
	Probably the Yorkshiremen will be like, okay, we'll just get on with things.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't know about Yorkshire with the demographic changes that are happening.
	Well, okay, maybe Yorkshire, maybe Devon then.
	If Devon's local government collapses and it becomes an independent, sovereign country, probably not going to turn into Zimbabwe though, right?
	There's probably some difference there.
	Well, yeah, this is the thing about blank slate-ism.
	Yeah.
	One of the ideologies that are It's a sacred thing.
	But obviously, if you took the population of Norway and the population of Somalia and just moved the people to opposite countries, it's not some sort of magic soil that makes Norway prosper and be functional and stuff.
	Hang on.
	We could really get one over on the third world here, right?
	Because if they all actually were like, yeah, yeah, we'll just swap countries.
	You can have our wonderful country with all this infrastructure and we'll have your terrible country with gorgeous weather and it'll be like that forever.
	I mean, yeah, sure.
	I mean, we'll swap.
	We'll get a nice piece of land that we can then build and we'll have nice weather.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And places like Haiti, it's got incredible mineral resources, fertile farmland.
	They could have whales.
	Compared to Iceland, which is basically, you know, an Arctic desert.
	Yes.
	With some fishing rights and stuff.
	And, like, Iceland's a completely functional country.
	So, yeah, the people in Iceland, the people in Haiti swapped.
	And also, you know, it's a cultural thing as well because right next door to Haiti on the same island is the Dominican Republic.
	Yeah, with a massive wall.
	Yeah, which hasn't had this, you know, push, this mad rush to abolish whiteness or anything.
	And it's a very successful functioning country.
	So moving on to Zimbabwe.
	So Europeans arrived in Zimbabwe hundreds of years.
	I appreciate we're getting short on time.
	Give us the lowdown.
	Did it work?
	So basically, Zimbabwe, Europeans arrived there, created a functioning country under this.
	It's not just a functioning country either.
	Rhodesia was beautiful.
	It was beautiful.
	You know, some people would say it was a bit racist, but then others would say...
	Others would say they had food and power.
	They had food.
	They had so much food, they exported it to other parts of Africa and fed not just Zimbabweans, but fed other people in Africa.
	They managed to function under a decade of sanctions, under constant military attack, while maintaining food production and developing their industries.
	Yep.
	Drop 300,000 Anglos in Africa and this is what you get.
	Whereas if you were to today cut off all foreign aid to Zimbabwe, If you were to impose this mythology around Africa and the Wakandization of history, it's just completely insane.
	And you see it happening all the time and it's just a sick joke.
	My mother was born in Liberia.
	How's that going?
	We're going to get to Liberia in a moment.
	We better hurry up because we are running out of time.
	So basically Zimbabwe, then Mugabe took over and it worked for a while and then slowly he became more Marxist.
	To be honest, Marxism is kind of a white ideology as well.
	So he started stealing land and all the rest of it.
	Abolishing whiteness didn't work in Zimbabwe either.
	You can go to my YouTube channel.
	I'm going to do a deep dive into this and you can see all the bits that I'm missing out now.
	But Liberia is the only country in the world where you're denied citizenship if you're white.
	So you have to be black and you preferably have to be born in Liberia.
	And it was created in the early 19th century as a project of the American Colonization Society.
	So basically it was freed.
	Black slaves could go back to Liberia and create a nation there.
	But the thing is, there are already people there.
	It created sort of two classes.
	The people who came in...
	Basically, yeah, they kind of enslaved them.
	And, you know, they were an elite class.
	The people who came from America, they were the American Liberians.
	And they governed the nation with a steady, if somewhat sort of insular and slightly in-group racist hand.
	And it worked.
	It worked.
	Abolishing whiteness can work if you have a slave class.
	It worked for a bit, but then, you know, the Liberians, the native Liberians sort of rebelled against them to...
	And now it's sort of degenerated.
	I think it's more stable now, but it had a good couple of decades of just relentless coups and fighting.
	Standard punishment was to amputate both hands.
	Right.
	And you could opt for long sleeves or short sleeves.
	Jeez.
	This would be short sleeves.
	Yeah.
	And this would be long sleeves.
	This would be short sleeves.
	So why would anybody choose short sleeves?
	Because at least you can get like a hoop.
	Sometimes they didn't.
	Right.
	Yeah, well, basically, abolishing whiteness didn't work in Liberia either.
	And, yeah, just...
	So we can see white people.
	I don't know why you'd want to abolish whiteness, because if you look at how racial groups rate each other, white people are the least racist of all the groups surveyed.
	So they have a very similar rating of in-group preference and out-group preference.
	They see everybody pretty much the same.
	And if you look at every other group, they have vastly stronger in-group preference and more negative out-group preference.
	And all of them rate whites the worst.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	To be genuinely hilarious in every respect, particularly from the Asians, really.
	What's going on with the Asians?
	Yeah.
	Listen, bros, you're the second whitest.
	They're coming for you next.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm serious.
	And it's, you know, it's not really fair because, like, I think we're a bit beyond that, bro.
	I think we're slightly past that.
	And it's one of these things.
	It's like, I don't think...
	I think there's this idea...
	You know, like the socialists in Iran were like, oh, if we're nice to the Islamists and help them, then they'll help us back.
	Same in the UK, the green part, they're like, oh, we're going to be nice to the Islamists.
	Did the Islamists help them back?
	No, they didn't.
	Oh, really?
	Executed them, jailed them.
	It's great.
	And also, white people abolish slavery.
	We do some pretty altruistic stuff.
	This is misleading.
	Europeans aren't responsible for 97% of all inventions.
	96.6%?
	We're responsible.
	It's quite a small portion of Europe, from Scotland across to Germany and down to Spain.
	It was during a period, basically the Enlightenment.
	All the world's inventions happened in Europe then.
	And now, and this is the Home Office, so I'm wondering why our establishment is supporting this abolishing whiteness movement.
	But now, white people are going to be essentially abolished.
	In 1900, about 30% to a third of the world's population was white, and now it's just 7%.
	You can see in the last tab, The Guardian were even writing about it.
	This is 24 years ago.
	UK whites will be a minority by 2100.
	I mean, that was actually quite optimistic, Exactly.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Nobody thought the Conservatives would get into power.
	Crank it up to more than a million a year.
	And act like the most Marxist academic you could possibly get.
	So yeah, that's what's going to happen.
	It's probably going to push us to civil war.
	It's going to be horrible.
	It would be the first time in history that a major Indigenous population has voluntarily become a minority.
	Well, you can't call whites Indigenous anymore.
	Well, that's how they've got it.
	Voluntary is doing a bit of heavy lifting there and is a bit premature.
	Yeah.
	Isn't that amazing that the Guardian used to use words like indigenous for white people?
	2000, this wasn't something stigmatised by Cambridge academics.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Let's go to the video comments.
	So the comments are...
	Cool.
	Maybe Lotus Eater should be producing a based history of Britain.
	Maybe we should take that on as a project.
	It would be a good one.
	I'm going to have a think about it.
	I slightly mentioned it last week when I said we should be opening our own publishing company.
	So has he got a publishing company?
	Maybe.
	I do like the idea of a base history of Britain, though.
	What's his name?
	Tell us.
	Well, it's C.S. Cooper.
	C.S. Cooper.
	AU.com or something.
	So if I wanted to get a book published, I could get in touch with him.
	Yeah, I don't doubt.
	Cool.
	Let's go to the next one.
	I recall my father lauding the Maltese philosopher Edward de Bono, whose ideas and innovations on thinking were so widely respected.
	With lateral thinking, one is challenged to keep analysing a problem, perhaps even actively using wrong assumptions or random inputs, not so much to look for a solution as to engage with the problem in ways that may lead to fresh insights.
	Amusingly, De Bono proposed dropping jars of Marmite into the Middle East to boost deficiencies of zinc in the diet, which is known to moderate emotion.
	Hilarious because it challenges their notion of diet by justifying the brewing industry.
	I'm a big fan of Marmite.
	Wanted to put it out there.
	I like Marmite too.
	I like Marmite.
	I've known Marmite for a while.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I'm going to go back home and have a Marmite sandwich.
	So Naomi says, so if Trump does act, does that mean we're likely to enter a new nuclear arms race?
	And yeah, basically that's what will happen in the Middle East.
	And even just bringing this up is probably going to cause that, as you were saying.
	So not great.
	Man of Kent points out that Trump already used the Moab on the Taliban in his first term, so he knows of it.
	Yeah, I was joking.
	I know that he knows.
	The Moab and the mop are two different things.
	What's the difference?
	The Moab is a sort of incendiary...
	And it burns the air.
	It pretty much burns the air and everything in the area.
	Into a fine crisp.
	Whereas the massive ordnance penetrator actually goes through a rock and then...
	So these are two different moms.
	Oh, yeah, and the one that goes through...
	So you can program it to go through.
	If you know you're bombing a facility that's got, you know, six floors and you want it to blow up on the third floor, it can sense when it's gone through floors.
	It's mental.
	See, if I was setting Trump before and be like, okay, look, I realise the war's bad, but this is cool.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Don't we want to try this out?
	They experimented with tying incendiary devices to bats, which would have created exponentially greater death and destruction.
	The difference is, anyone can set animals on fire, but levelling a city with a clumping material the size of your fist is effectively magic.
	That's a good point.
	Yeah, it's a flex, isn't it?
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	Also, it's funny how in the 80s, the Chernobyl disaster was seen, and everybody was like, this is the worst thing ever, you know what I mean?
	And Israel's just bombed the Iraq reactor.
	Iraq, not Iraq.
	And it's all like, you know, you can see the shell is all burst open.
	Nobody gives a shit.
	What happened to worrying about nuclear stuff?
	Oh, that's their problem, isn't it?
	The big breeze comes across Europe.
	Now it's our problem.
	California Refugee points out that the cartels have control over large swathes of territory in California too, something far too few people are aware of.
	We needed military intervention yesterday.
	Yeah, this is a point I should have made, actually.
	very good for pointing me up on it.
	The demographic replacement of people along the southern border states just brings with it cartel influence.
	And the cartel is best understood as an insurgent group embedded in the population rather than just a...
	And when Scheinbaum's like, yeah, we're going to protect our people there.
	It's like, yeah, she's going to protect her cartels and her colonists.
	Yes.
	That's the way she's looking at it.
	I'll be honest, I don't mind the idea of abolishing the idea of whiteness, because mostly it's too broad and fundamentally very American, and therefore cringe and should be disregarded.
	I'm English, and I have very little in common with the Germans, Danes, Estonian, Slavs, etc.
	So what sense would it make to group us together?
	Well, again, it's a perspective.
	Sure, but it's about perspective, right?
	So, okay, yeah, when like the English, the Danes, the Germans, the Estonians are all hanging out together, yeah, all the differences are very big.
	But then suddenly some dude from Cameroon turns up, The English and the Scots are learning this really, really quickly.
	The British and the Catholic Irish are learning this really.
	Absolutely.
	When we were young, very few immigrants, so it was very much more the ethnic differences between the Britons was emphasised in comedy and just in politics.
	Now, not so much.
	No one cares.
	It seems almost quaint that in 2015 people had to vote for a referendum to control their borders because there were too many Polish people.
	Like, now if I see a Polish person in the street, I'm like, thank God!
	My brother!
	But that's true, you know?
	It's actually true.
	But anyway, yeah, so there we go.
	And Derek says, everyone has white blood cells, therefore everyone is white.
	I mean, that's basically where it's going to end up.
	But anyway, we are out of time on that point.
	Leo, where can people find more from you?
	So I've got a Patreon, Leo Kearse, and I've got a YouTube channel.
	It's also Leo Kearse.
	So yeah, sign up.
	If you're rich, give me money on Patreon.
	You get exclusive content.
	If you're not rich or if you're tight like me, then just go to my YouTube channel.
	Good luck spelling Kearse.
	We'll be back in half an hour for Lads Hour where we're talking about Sam Raimi's Spider-Man.
	So we'll see you then, guys.

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