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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1169

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	Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Welcome to the podcast of Lotus Eaters for the 21st of May, 2025.
	I'm joined by Stephen and Harry, and we're about half an hour late because we're having massive technical issues that just resolved themselves for some reason, even though we didn't do anything differently.
	So our apologies on that.
	Of course, we'll go to the extra half hour.
	So today we're going to be talking about the absolute housing grift that is the United Kingdom, the UK, and how much it's costing us, and it's unbelievable.
	We had the dissident right piercing the Westminster bubble by Charlie Downs earlier, which was fantastic.
	And we're going to find out just how brutal our police are.
	So without any further ado, let's go.
	Alright, so by now, many of you will have probably seen this clip that went a little bit viral from Patrick Christie's time in Calais, where he released this last week on GB News.
	This was the clip that really went viral when he was speaking in this little encampment in Calais that was supposedly a no-go zone.
	He shows you all around in these videos that he did.
	Here and here.
	He shows you all around the encampment, the sorts of things that these people were doing.
	People started throwing things at him.
	The entire place was covered in rubbish.
	And these are all people who want desperately to get over to our country.
	And he began asking them questions.
	He said...
	Not questions.
	Which is...
	I know, that's a terrible, terrible thing to do.
	That's the worst thing to do.
	He started asking them questions.
	It's especially bad when sometimes you wonder if they can even understand what you're asking.
	Certainly they wonder why you're asking because they get a bit sketchy.
	They go like, you're not supposed to be asking me this.
	I'm just supposed to be getting free stuff, bro.
	Such a grift.
	Like one of them, this guy, he flags down somebody who he asks, you know, why is it you're coming here?
	And let's hear this guy's answer before we go to the big one.
	Well, come and talk to me, talk to me, talk to me.
	Where are you from?
	Very small, from Sudan.
	You're from Sudan?
	Yeah.
	I speak to a lot of people from Sudan here.
	So, do you want to come to Britain, England?
	You want to go to England?
	Yeah.
	Okay, why?
	England is dream.
	Why?
	So, Sudan is war.
	England is war.
	I understand.
	I understand that Sudan is war, but why is England the dream?
	Because France is not war.
	Sudan?
	France?
	No war here?
	France?
	France?
	France is okay?
	No.
	No?
	France?
	Well, there's no war here.
	Why is England good?
	Why do you want to come to England?
	Because France is okay.
	It's safe.
	No, no people, no people.
	No?
	No people.
	No problem.
	No problem in England.
	We have lots of problems in England, my friend.
	We have lots of problems in England.
	Nice and evasive right there.
	What was he actually asking?
	What was he being asked to answer?
	Well, he's like, no problem, no people, no people.
	So right before we came on, we were saying that a lot of these people are coming over because they've got people over here already.
	They've built communities now and the communities have come over.
	They're sending them messages back by text and email saying, look, I get here, I've got a free house.
	I'm getting this money.
	I get to stay here.
	And by the way, my friend...
	Whoever his name is, also can get you a job working on Deliveroo.
	We can get you working in the back of a lorry, cleaning or being security guards at one of the hotels that you're also looking after.
	Or, if you're really lucky, we'll get you into one of the big gangs where we'll connect you into criminality.
	We'll involve you in the people smuggling trade as well, and you get higher up on the ladder on that as well.
	All of this is happening.
	We've covered it previously.
	There's a whole TikTok industry of them showing their life in Britain on TikTok.
	That Sudanese man was avoiding saying was, well, I mean, France won't give me free stuff.
	England is most likely to give me free stuff.
	Of all of the countries that I've shopped around, they're most likely to give me free stuff.
	And the most notorious clip already is this one, where this man is like, yeah, just give me free stuff.
	Why should English people pay for you to have a house?
	Maybe they give me house, give me anything I can need, they give me.
	Just give it?
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Because England is perfect.
	Oh, so you think we're all rich people?
	Yeah.
	So we can give...
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Can I tell you something?
	We are not all rich people.
	If, if, if I said to you, look, we don't have enough houses in England, would that stop you coming to England?
	Okay.
	Maybe I come back in my, maybe I come back in my country and I change in another country.
	Yeah, maybe you try another country.
	Yeah, try another country, there we are.
	Yeah, just...
	It's just Gibbs.
	He literally said Gibbs.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He said, oh, Gib me.
	Yeah, it's the ABBA song.
	Give me everything.
	Just give me stuff for free.
	You've got the title ABBA.
	Gimme, gimme, gimme a house for my immigrants.
	I just can't believe they genuinely think that we've just got so much money, so many resources.
	Things are going downhill, bro.
	Because you keep coming and taking our stuff.
	This was really good work from Patrick Christie, I've got to say.
	And he was also showing around outside of the camps.
	He went up to a river and they just found...
	A big dinghy.
	Oh, just laying around.
	Just laying around that had already been blown up.
	I just happened to need one of those to cross the channel.
	And he opened a bag that was in the dinghy and they got all of this on camera.
	And he's like, oh, it's full of rubber rings or blow-up rubber rings.
	Life preservatives.
	I didn't see that.
	And he was like, okay, we've got one.
	It'd be quicker if I just tip all of this out.
	So he tips it out and there's like 50 of them.
	In the one bag.
	So he goes over to the police and tells them, and he's like, you see that there's a dinghy over there.
	They're going to use that to cross the channel.
	And they're all like, eh, eh.
	And it takes him pointing it out and then sort of, like, pressing them on the matter for them to finally go over and slash all the dinghy.
	The police were like, well, yeah, we provided it.
	If it had gone over and said, look, there's a hundred boxes of Gitana over there, you know, just lying in there, they probably wouldn't have gone over there much quickly.
	And they left the boat there and they took the gif town.
	So what we're learning is that internationally, England is seen as a kind of land of plenty.
	A garden of Eden where housing grows on trees and the government, as soon as you get across the border, will hand it out to you like sweets on Halloween.
	We kind of do, don't we?
	Yeah, but what does the actual housing situation look like for...
	British people in Britain who have to buy their houses and don't get them given out for free or on social housing by the government.
	I thought we'd take a little look at the updates on that and if you're of quite depressed temperament you might want to turn this off for a few minutes because it's not going to be good news.
	My segment will be fun, I promise.
	Stick around for that segment but this one maybe go for your coffee break or something.
	First of all...
	Already earlier on today, inflation's going higher than expected because higher household bills are kicking in.
	So that's number one that's fun, is that even if you already own a house or are renting a property, all of your bills are going up.
	One of the biggest factors of that is council housing, and obviously in council housing we're seeing huge council housing.
	...increases, and one of the reasons why I'm having to pay more on council housing...
	You've got to bring your mic closer.
	...is because we've got to fund people who are being given permanent right to remain in this country, and we now have to house them.
	Oh, we'll definitely be getting to that.
	One of the other big things is net zero policies, making it so that our electricity is more...
	Well, our energy is more scarce, because net zero policies produce less electricity and less energy.
	Thanks, Ed.
	Yeah, thank you very much for that.
	And interestingly enough, just the other day, there was a report that was done by an energy consultant, Catherine Porter, and this was also for the consultancy WhatLogic, called The True Affordability of Net Zero, that found that UK bill payers, homeowners, would be about £220 billion better off without net zero policies making everything more expensive for us.
	Only £220 billion?
	Yeah, I mean...
	I mean, what's that, after all?
	Yeah, what's that in your back pocket?
	I don't need 220 billion.
	I don't know about you guys.
	The key points were that you can't say...
	You can't say it's all down to high international gas prices and dictators.
	Maybe if we weren't dependent on foreign gas, that wouldn't be a problem for us.
	Yeah, because we actually pay more by the sounds of it than other net gas importers.
	Oh, brilliant.
	So they're getting the same gas as us, and we should be getting it for the same prices.
	When it gets to the actual consumer or the household, it costs way more because of all the levies that we put on these.
	The UK is spending over £17 billion per year on environmental levies, subsidies, carbon...
	taxes and energy taxes.
	Just a quick pause on that, right?
	So a while ago we broke down what the actual value of the electricity is.
	It's 25%.
	Yes.
	Bloody offshore wind farms.
	It's the same if you look into the breakdown of how the cost is calculated at the pump if you go to fuel up your car.
	It's something like 25-30% is a green levy for having the audacity to want to be able to freely travel in the country and fuel your car.
	I hate it so much.
	How dare you want free money and free houses and being able to travel freely.
	You know, all of this is just something only you can dream about in the world of the elites.
	Oh, yes.
	This was an interesting one.
	The wind farms are deliberately built outside of grid constraints, meaning the grid cannot handle the electricity produced.
	Porter points out that the Sea Green wind farm in 2024 was constrained off twice as often as it was selling electricity to the grid.
	Consumers at those points had to pay for gas power stations to produce electricity.
	So we're building useless wind farms that we can't even use...
	Twice.
	I can't stand it.
	I just can't stand it.
	You know that British efficiency that was notable for building up the world during our empire?
	That's out the window now for a very long time.
	All I can hear is Milton Friedman being like, you don't want the government to do anything because they do it badly.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	Yeah, here's the point where they were saying that if we'd just continued using gas power systems since 2006, consumers would be approximately £220 billion better off.
	And wholesale electricity prices make up 42% of electricity bills and gas prices determine less than 40% of electricity bills.
	They don't drive household bills.
	So any fluctuation in terms of the actual wholesale cost of this is less than half of why you're paying so much when you actually get...
	Get your bill through.
	This is a con.
	This is a scam.
	This is unacceptable.
	Is that kind of suggesting that we're all about £40,000 better off?
	Because that's roughly...
	I'm trying to take the £66 million into the £220 billion.
	That would actually be five figures better off per person.
	If we didn't.
	Yeah, yeah.
	If we didn't.
	You know, it could be 40 grand.
	I'm quite happy to have that.
	I'd love to have a holiday.
	For my generation, that's kind of an unfathomable kind of amount of money for most people.
	And then there's also...
	As you were mentioning council housing, social housing, the ridiculous costs that go into social housing.
	So Carl pointed me in the direction of some of this information, so thank you very much.
	Sam Ashworth Hayes saying that here's from the Telegraph article.
	Across England, social housing is costing the government somewhere in the region of £21 billion each year.
	In London alone...
	Because of the amount of housing that's in London and how much demand there is for it, is about £11 billion, with £291 million alone devoted to households headed up by foreign-born residents who arrived after 2011, and £4.6 billion to households with no adults in employment.
	So this, this is just...
	Why are they here?
	This is just subsidising meats.
	It's just subsidising foreigners to live in Britain at our expense.
	Absolutely.
	For no particular reason.
	Just for the sake of having them so you can put them on posters around London to show how diverse the city is.
	I need my diversity.
	I get a bit itchy if I don't have diversity.
	These ones aren't even serving you at prep.
	What are they doing?
	They're so round!
	What is the point of them?
	They're sitting around, locking up the vents in their flats and letting black mould grow and then their children get respiratory problems that then Sadiq Khan comes and blames English people for.
	I really wish I could just ask...
	Why do you think the government pays for you to live here?
	Why do you think they're doing this?
	We know from this guy it's because we're perfect.
	We're just perfect heavenly angels.
	We've got all of this abundance.
	Why don't we share it about you?
	We do have those perfect angels.
	O 'Brien on LBC.
	Gary Linekers of these world.
	The angels who never seem to want to put into their own pockets and hands to help people out in the same way.
	The Angels are the working class and lower middle class of this country who are having to struggle to be able to make their ends meet every single day in order to ensure that the elites have a good, wholesome soul for themselves whilst they're eating their caviar and having nice Prosecco nights.
	Don't forget the winter fuel raid and the EATM thing raid and all of this.
	We're all such bloody Angels, I tell you.
	Yeah, and it's no surprise that in this article, I mean, one of the big things in here was just that this article is interesting.
	It says, why Britain's home ownership dream is dead.
	I mean, it's been dead for a long while, but thank you for finally noticing, Telegraph.
	The last chart that they give here is just like availability, even the availability of housing.
	If you're a young person, it's just not going to happen, particularly if you're in Scotland.
	For some reason.
	There's just no housing.
	Welsh homebuyers are struggling and houses are unbelievably cheap in Wales compared to houses here.
	They are.
	My wife's family comes from Wales.
	We were looking at property there.
	Like 60, 70 grand for a normal house in Wales.
	It's like...
	That seems like it could be affordable, but if young people can't even get on the ladder there...
	If you look at the jobs and how much they're being paid, the only jobs available are very low.
	And as you've probably picked up, or maybe you have done later, we're building more houses in roughly around 260,000 to 300,000 a year for the last 10 years.
	That means we've added 3 million houses.
	To the housing stock in a decade.
	And none of that is pushing prices down.
	None of it is making a very...
	We've added...
	I think there's another line that's going up faster than the house is going up.
	The population is doubling each of those ten years based on immigration.
	And until you understand, as I've said it many times, until we stop the population growth caused by immigration, none of our services, housing or anything, is back.
	It's all about population growth.
	I believe the official figures are that over the past ten years, it's been about four million people have been added to the population, and that's just the people who will be on the books.
	Yes.
	So even if you're just going by the official data, which will not actually reflect the true amount of people that have come into the country or stayed in the country, overstayed visas, come into the country illegally that we've just not...
	caught in the system.
	If you're just going by that data, we've got at least a 1 million shortfall if you're going to count each of those individual people as needing some kind of home and not group them into family units.
	But even then, it's not a great...
	great situation.
	Especially when there's another problem that comes into this as well.
	So the Telegraph is telling you all that the homeowning dream is dead in Britain for all of these different reasons.
	Here's a nice promo article talking about what a great investment it is to take your buy-to-let properties and turn them into McDonald's instead.
	Here's a happy...
	UK.
	Yeah.
	Here is a happy foreigner, Anisha Sharma, who ditched her buy-to-lets, so she had four buy-to-lets, presumably.
	How did she get the money for that?
	Four McDonald franchises instead, and going on about how much of a better investment it is, because what we want in our country is...
	More obesity.
	Yeah, is more homogenized...
	McDonald's on every single corner in what used to be housing units.
	That's brilliant because that will in itself, of course, be driving everything up.
	And the other interesting thing that I'm going to end on was this ridiculously long and in-depth article that Pimlico Journal released yesterday talking about the social housing phenomenon.
	There's nowhere near enough time to go over all of this because it's probably like a half hour read by itself.
	So let's just see some of the...
	Executive summary that they put at the top here.
	They highlight that £6.1 billion per year in pounds is spent on implied subsidies to foreign-born-headed households in social housing alone.
	So those subsidies, the implied subsidies, will be the original cost of what the housing would be on the private market compared to what they're actually being spent on in the social housing market.
	Because, of course, I believe, what was his name?
	Juice on Twitter.
	Great Anon account.
	Found the government database showing what the housing prices are, private versus social, that people are getting in London.
	And for instance, I think it was Knightsbridge, they were getting the housing reduced to less than £500 per month.
	In Knightsbridge.
	And that would be probably, what, £2,000, £3,000 per month, at least in an area like that in London?
	I'm on a boat tomorrow.
	Yeah, I know, right?
	So they say, Or 0.8% of GDP.
	This represents the difference between the private sector rent, which could be charged, and the social housing rent, which is charged.
	So if we took all of this out of social housing, these people who are non-productive to the country, and just put it on the private sector and allowed it to be rented out at market rates to normal people, it would come to a total almost 1% of our current GDP.
	That's just mad.
	These are ridiculous numbers to be considering here.
	And again, ask yourself constantly, what are we getting out of this?
	What are we getting out of this?
	Again, according to the Telegraph, £4.6 billion worth of these households have no one working in them.
	I just don't see how foreign people are allowed to claim benefits in this country.
	It should be not possible.
	Yeah, they're just coming here.
	Here's your house.
	The problem is, I was brought up in social housing, in a council house in Manchester.
	My mum worked three jobs.
	She worked in the biscuit factory in the mornings, and then in the evenings she had to clean in the bookies, you know, clean the floors at the end of the day.
	And at the weekend she'd go down to the market, and once a week on a Saturday she'd be selling shoes off the market stall for us all to be able to make ends meet.
	My brother and I lived in the same room, my grandmother's, whilst we waited seven years.
	We have to get social housing.
	And that's what it was meant to do.
	It was meant to be able to subsidise those people, in our case, because we'd had difficulties with my father and we had to leave and all the rest of it.
	But it wasn't meant to be the social housing for the world.
	It wasn't meant to battery farm foreigners.
	No.
	It wasn't meant to come in and keep them there.
	It is a shame because certainly in principle, especially here in cases like yours, there's no reason in principle to be entirely against social housing.
	There are absolutely plenty of cases.
	Where it is needed and would be of great help to families who are struggling.
	This is not...
	The majority of this now, when you have 72% of London Somalis in social housing, presumably also not working, why are we battery farming these people into our capital city?
	To just sit around.
	GDP?
	I don't know how the calculation works.
	Actually, that's interesting.
	How do they not deduct this?
	I would be wondering, if I look at the GDP figures, whether the Treasury actually deducts the cost of social housing from it.
	I'm not actually trying to follow that up.
	That is an interesting question.
	But just carrying on, so in 2021, 31% of social housing subsidies went to households headed by somebody outside of Britain, so that's where the £6.1 billion come from.
	With each socially rented household gaining £7,651 in implied rental subsidy that year, substantially above that of socially rented households headed by people born in Britain.
	Again, we're just giving this away at a cheaper price to the people who were already in this country.
	In 2021, black-headed households gained far more in social housing-implied rental subsidies than other groups, £3.3 billion in total.
	So 4% of England's population gets 17% of the subsidies.
	Social justice, Harry.
	Well, if you're going to take an argument on fairness here, well, again, where is the fairness in this?
	Immigrants arriving in the three years before the 2021 census were receiving an estimated £316 million in implied rental subsidies despite there being rules in place to constrain new immigrants'access to welfare.
	See, this is an argument that the left will present on Twitter all the time.
	It's like, oh no, actually foreign people have got to pay for the NHS.
	Foreign people don't get welfare.
	It's like, yes they do, because they'll say, okay, yeah, we'll treat you obviously, and here's a bill.
	You gonna pay it?
	No, of course not, I'm gonna bloody pay it.
	Yeah, you can say on paper that there are all of these rules saying that they can't get them.
	Well, they get them anyway.
	Yeah, exactly.
	They get these benefits anyway.
	You need to refuse a point of service, or else they'll seem like, yeah, thanks, I'll get right on that.
	You know, good luck with getting that money out of me.
	So the households in London headed by working age, economically inactive, unemployed and full-time students in 2021 received implied rental subsidies worth £2.7 billion.
	So this as well for me is just a subsidy for failing universities because they need these students in to keep the doors open so that they can have as many students as possible.
	Why are full-time students getting an implied rental subsidy in a social housing?
	Why are they doing that?
	That's a good question.
	When I was at university, I didn't have to get social housing at all.
	I wouldn't be allowed it.
	I'd have to go into the rental market and rent it myself.
	However difficult it was.
	Six of us living in a house.
	That's how it's done.
	And finally, from the information I've drawn from here, modelling assumptions on discounts and yields and validating them against London Borough's own estimates of their social housing assets value.
	London social housing in 2024 was an asset portfolio worth...
	£210 billion.
	That's a good question.
	And this is one of my real pet angers in this country.
	We sold off our social housing to social housing associations, who are, I guess, non-profit, they say.
	But actually, just like our charities are non-profit, when you start looking at how much they're paid as the chief executive, as the chairman, in their millions for some of these.
	That's not a non-profit.
	That is a very much profit through the back door, through the idea that we're paying them salaries and bonuses.
	It's a way of paying the left to get rich in jobs that we've created for them.
	Through government money.
	And it reminds me of, I think it was last year I covered the Taxpayers Alliance did a big expose on all of the benefits that local council members were taking for themselves, where some of the...
	Local councillors were taking retirement payments of hundreds of thousands of pounds at a time under their pension schemes.
	As a councillor, I didn't know you could get retirement payments.
	Local councils are only supposed to pay, what, £12,000 per year?
	I think it's somewhere between something like £8.20.
	Yeah, it's not the same everywhere.
	It's not supposed to be something that's going to be taking up your full time and it's not supposed to be something that you can live off.
	It's something that you do as part of your community.
	Some of these people managed to find ways to gain the system to get extra benefits off of the back of it so that they were leaving minted.
	So there are all sorts of backdoors for people who are in these positions to...
	Corrupt the system and make a lot of money off of it as well.
	So, in the land of plenty, this is what our housing situation is looking at like right now.
	It is an absolute grift.
	And with that, let's go through to the rumble rants that we've got for this segment.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Sigilstone says, Harry, stop destroying the studio.
	They're just books, even if they're by Owen Jones.
	Good luck with those.
	Did you see that?
	No, I didn't.
	One of our very kind and generous subscribers, Sam Weston, decided to send me in the trilogy of Owen Jones books, Chavs, The Establishment, and This Land, which have all arrived and I've opened up this morning.
	And now they're staring at me on my desk, kind of like the one ring whispering evil in my ear.
	It's sour.
	Lord Atvar says, watch me.
	What did you do, Carl?
	You look years younger today?
	I mean, I've got a haircut.
	Maybe that's it.
	And he says, UK Global Home is giving illegal aliens benefits to help replace Brits as they try to replace Americans infamously via FEMA, Medicaid, USAID, and other Fed agencies.
	Yeah, that is true.
	And I can't read that scissor stone, so I'll take your word for it.
	Right, so let's move on.
	So something interesting happened on LBC.
	I think it was this morning.
	I'm not entirely sure what the date was.
	Yesterday, we'll say.
	Where our friend Charlie Downs went on cross-question with Ian Dale.
	So it's just a panel talk show.
	But the...
	Line-up was very interesting.
	So you have here Stephen Flynn, the SNP Westminster leader and insane wokest for the Scottish National Party.
	You had Dr. Luke Evans, who is the shadow health minister for the Conservatives, so he's a person whose political career is probably on short shrift.
	Not through any fault of his own, I imagine.
	Rachel, I think it was Cunliffe, I think.
	I couldn't hear it very well when he was pronouncing it, but she's the associate editor of the New Statesman, and then you have Charlie and Ian Dale moderating.
	And it was very interesting because they began starting, OK, well, how should the UK respond to Israel, as you can see?
	And, I mean, this comes in the wake of Britain, France and Canada threatening action over Gaza.
	I don't know what's going to happen.
	Whatever.
	Everyone's upset about this.
	But the sort of woke Scottish nationalist that's going on, as you'd expect, is very anti-Israel, very pro-Palestine.
	The Conservative gives a really wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed sort of...
	Explanation of the situation, which you would expect from a Conservative.
	The New Statesman editor goes on about the Israeli government being far right, which is what you'd expect from the New Statesman.
	And Charlie gives an interesting response, where he just attacks the framing of the question entirely.
	Let's watch.
	Charlie.
	Well, first of all, Ian, thank you for having me.
	It's a great pleasure to be here.
	The first thing I would say is this conflict in Gaza, I think, embodies so many of the fundamental questions, certainly that we're asking in post-national Britain and Western Europe more generally, about where a state derives its legitimacy from, what constitutes a state, and what rights states have when it comes to acts of aggression and self-defence.
	Good start.
	Good start, yeah.
	He goes and asks, how much more do we want to be involved in this?
	And so you can see that rather than accepting the frame of, of course we're going to be involved in this, and the question is, which side are we on?
	How do we come down to it?
	Charlie starts attacking the very premise.
	We should always be looking at questions of an international matter from...
	What can Britain gain from this?
	What are our own interests in this that we can gain from, whether it be cultural or economic?
	We don't have to be alongside America as world police.
	No, we're not an empire.
	It's not our business.
	That would be my response.
	But the point that they make is, of course, Israel was attacked on October 7th by Hamas as a terrorist attack.
	Terrible thing.
	Yes.
	But we also have terror attacks happening at home, and this was quite spicy, and they didn't like this.
	I think that we have a very real-world example of a disproportionate response in the other sense, and that's on British soil, the rape gangs.
	There has been no response.
	There has been no real justice on this topic.
	I think to compare the two is ridiculous.
	I don't think it is, because crimes of a similar nature have happened on British soil, as happened on October 7th, and we've not still not had justice.
	We might have a question on that, but I'm not going to go down that road on this.
	Stephen?
	No, it's like, oh, I'm not going down that road.
	No, no, Ian wouldn't, because, you know, he's a bit of a coward when it comes to anything that's right and conservative.
	He pretends that he's a conservative, but actually he's been a moderate Liberal Democrat in the Rory Stewart line ever since he got involved in politics.
	And one of the greatest things that we ever managed to achieve was not ensure that he wasn't elected for too long.
	He got kind of deselected, didn't he?
	Yeah, that's right.
	Because a recording came out of Ian, I can't remember which constituents it was, but him just taking a big...
	I hate this place and it's terrible.
	And suddenly he got deselected from running for the Conservatives.
	So the point is, you can see that Charlie is like, well, actually, if you think about the moral crime that has happened, say...
	British, white, English girls.
	Well, it's not terribly dissimilar to what the Hamas attack did on October 7th.
	And of course, the famous image of the Israeli woman being led along with the bloodstains on her rear, yeah, it's not terribly dissimilar at all.
	And then you think, well, what about Manchester Arena bombing, various attacks, and various others.
	These are not terribly dissimilar.
	Well, if you were going to go down that line, you would have to ask the question of, well, if you're going to compare the two, I would...
	Imagine there's probably a lot more victims on our side in our situation, because obviously it's only a course of one day that you're comparing it to.
	At which point, what would be a proportional response?
	I think the Israelis probably do have a greater number of victims on that, because 1,300 in a day is a lot.
	Oh yeah, I was just comparing it to the day over the course of decades.
	I agree, I agree.
	But it's not necessarily about weighing up body counts or anything.
	What it's about is saying, does the state have a responsibility to actually protect its citizens from hostile actors, communities?
	And I think it's useful here for us all to learn that when we're now dealing with the press and dealing with the questions, it's to now frame the answers.
	More recently we've been trying to do this, but I think it's more successfully, is to take away their question and reframe it in the way that we want it to be responded to.
	And they're finding them deeply uncomfortable.
	We saw that with the way that Farage actually, on one of his better days, he actually managed to do that just after the election when he talked about racism.
	And that's a very good point that we should now be looking and considering whenever we're on shows, whenever we're dealing in conversations with people, reframe it into the context of our country and the crimes and offences and differences.
	One example, for example, on the grooming gangs, it's something like 80% dual Pakistani nationals.
	So why aren't we sanctioning Pakistan?
	Why aren't we doing something about this?
	And you can see Ian's like, oh!
	He starts puckering up and be like, I'm not going down that road.
	Again, we're talking about Charlie Downs.
	What is the proportional response to an absolute atrocity like what happened to Charlene Downs?
	Is she the one who's ground up into this?
	I was a proportional response to that, because that was allowed to happen.
	That did not happen in a vacuum.
	Yep.
	And so, as you can see, Ian's like, right, okay, I'm not going down that road, because that's scary, and I would have to out myself as a Liberal Democrat.
	So I'm moving on.
	And so, they try and bring it back to Israel, but...
	Charlie's like, no, no, no, no.
	Actually, we can take the example of Israel acting in the interests of its own citizens and ask, why doesn't our government do that?
	This is amazing.
	is that we have already seen acts akin to the events of October 7th on British soil, whether that's the Manchester Arena attack or the rape gang, as I've already talked about.
	And we've seen the way our government has responded to those things, which is don't look back in anger, which is let's not allow this to...
	I think that fears of an October 7th style attack happening in British soil are not unfounded, given the fact that we have over a million illegal migrants in this country from we know not where.
	Given that recently a plot was foiled by Iranian illegal migrants to commit a terrorist attack in this country, I think that it's, I don't know, it's something that's far more likely, far more possible than I think anybody is willing to admit.
	What should Israel be doing?
	Well, this is the point.
	It's just interesting, isn't it, how Israel is the only state in the modern world that's considered Western, that is permitted to be sort of explicitly nationalist.
	Because in Europe or in Britain, for example, if you say that you want a government that governs explicitly in the interests of the indigenous British population, you want one that is uncompromising in its commitment to British interests, you know, you're called far-right and you're called a racist and all the rest of it.
	And so I can't help but think that if...
	I have no idea what you're on about.
	I think it's a sickening comparison.
	Genuinely, I don't mean to be honest.
	I have no idea what you're on about, Paul.
	What part of it do you not understand?
	I'm not here to defend the British state by any means, but you try to tell me the look here, a conservative, and look, I'll look, the double look there.
	I'm not here to defend the Tories or the Labour Party or Lib Dems or those who believe in the British state.
	But nobody can reasonably say to me that the members of Parliament in Westminster aren't interested in defending the...
	Territorial integrity and the values, whatever they are, of Britain.
	And I'm the Scottish nationalist sitting here telling you that, so that should maybe calm your jets a wee bit on that one.
	You see the uniparty firewall erect itself in real time.
	There we go.
	Yeah, precisely.
	Now, this guy, just to be clear, he's the leader of the SNP in Westminster, obviously wants to be a leader of the SNP.
	The SNP's core goal, for anyone who doesn't know, is a Scottish Nationalist Party who want independence from Britain.
	So you would think any excuse to attack the British state would be completely valid, completely useful, and you'd be like, yeah, no, good point.
	People in Scotland should think about that.
	The British state is not looking out for the reason.
	Well, hang on a second.
	No, no, no.
	I, the SNP guy, I don't want to defend the Tories and Britain, but I'm going to leap to the defence of the Tories and Britain against Charlie Downs coming from well outside of the paradigm and saying, well, hang on a second, why aren't they looking out for our interests?
	And, I mean, just to...
	I mean, that was...
	Hey, I really appreciate Charlie's use of the terminology.
	He inserted a bunch of terminology that went unnoticed for them.
	But the idea that the SNP guy can suddenly be like, well, hang on a second, you can't attack the British state for betraying the British people.
	Yeah, I think we can, actually.
	In fact, we've got plenty of problems.
	Not that one.
	So, for example, I mean, what's going on with Chagos?
	What's going on with Gibraltar, in fact?
	Who owns the bloody railways?
	Well, we can just look.
	Between 1994 and 1997, these got privatized.
	Hong Kong, Italy.
	A company registered in the Cayman Islands.
	A Dutch state railway company.
	You can see how our country is just being given away.
	And of course, you know, are we talking about the borders?
	And all of those we could have actually used if we wanted to influence our so-called deal with the EU.
	Of course.
	We're going to nationalise this.
	Give us what we want or you lose all of this.
	Absolutely.
	We could have played hardball and yet we didn't.
	Many countries would lose out a lot more than we would in terms of the trade now that we have with so-called Europe and our investments.
	We've got the most expensive railways in Europe, obviously, because we're being completely rinsed by the Europeans on our railways.
	I mean, what's this?
	Govia is owned by Go Ahead, an Australian bus company which goes through a Canadian pension fund that also gets infrastructure as well from Australia and Spain.
	The rest of it's owned by a French company.
	The French Railway Company.
	The French Canadians.
	Even worse.
	It's the national state-owned railway company of France.
	Yep.
	So we are subsidising their state-owned railways.
	I'm sure that prices are great as well.
	Same with the Italian one.
	Same with the Dutch one.
	And their ticket prices are great.
	I looked this up a little while ago.
	That's just one example.
	Again, we could talk about the actual giving away of Chagos, giving away of Gibraltar, which apparently is not on the table, blah, blah, blah.
	Who believes that?
	But then we can look at the rest of it.
	Talking about the railway prices, a few weeks ago I actually had to get the train down here, where I am.
	So it's maybe a two and a half hour train journey.
	I don't know what that costs in European countries or in America.
	Here it costs about...
	160 pounds.
	Extraordinary sorts of money nowadays.
	Yeah.
	160 pounds for a two and a half hour train journey.
	Staggering, isn't it?
	But anyway, so that's the general...
	Okay, where is the British state looking after our interest?
	Because the British state is responsible for all of this, right?
	British state is responsible for giving away various bits of our territory.
	It's responsible for protecting our borders from illegal immigration and legal immigration, and it's responsible for selling off all of the national assets.
	we've got to the point now where Indians own more properties in London than the English.
	Yeah.
	That's, that I find stunning.
	We are becoming an island of, not just of strangers, but of renters.
	And the SNP guys, like, don't know what you're talking about, pal.
	Don't know.
	How could you possibly say that the British state isn't looking out for the interest of the British people?
	I'm the pro-independence SNP guy.
	Absolutely mad.
	Absolutely mad.
	So anyway, let's carry on.
	And so, Charlie is just like, well, I don't really agree.
	I don't really see my own country around at all.
	Well, what do you base that assertion that the British state is interested in defending British interests on?
	Is it the fact that we've had millions of illegal migrants into the country?
	Is it the fact that we've had mass immigration for the better part of 30 years that has made it almost impossible for people my age to afford housing, where we feel so dispossessed of our own culture when we walk through our own high streets?
	We don't see our own country.
	What else is it?
	Is it the fact that British identity...
	What do you see then?
	Well, what do I see?
	What do you see?
	When you're walking down the high street, you say, I don't see my own country.
	What do you see?
	I see a country that has been so poorly governed for really as long as I've been alive, that it has been essentially the inheritance of, you know, the country that was built, cultivated by my ancestors, has been given away to anybody who, you know, who would come here.
	And the government has been the midwife to that project.
	You have very strange eyesight, I would say.
	How is he wrong?
	I hate...
	The selective ignorance from these people.
	Like, if you take all of the words out of it, the content of what they're actually saying is, what?
	Yeah.
	Huh?
	What?
	Because they're idiots.
	But it's not just that it's based on one single word.
	Snobbery.
	Utter snobbery.
	It is.
	It's snobbery that's gone through our history where the elites have always looked down on our working class people.
	They've always looked at the hoi polloi as dirty and filthy.
	We built on the west side of London so we didn't even have to smell them, to be honest, because the wind blows them away in terms of...
	And that's exactly what they're doing.
	When I turn around and say, Ian Dale, what country you're looking at, he's looking at the fact that he goes off to a really beautiful house, sits there with all his friends around nice, lovely restaurants that we could only dream to afford of.
	Most people nowadays.
	And that's exactly the sort of world he's in.
	He doesn't see the high streets enclosed because he's in Harrods.
	He's in all the nice streets.
	And if he doesn't, he's abroad.
	So there's also, like, if you look at the generational difference here, right?
	Ian Dale, probably about 50, something like that, right?
	So he's Gen Xer.
	He's done well.
	Well, yeah.
	He's, as you say, at the top of a series of hierarchies.
	And Charlie is the...
	I don't see my own country.
	Whatever you think is out there is in your memory.
	If I go around and look around, I see Turkish barbers.
	I see the streets flooded with strangers.
	And it also suggests that these guys are perfectly...
	Comfortable with that.
	They do just see the country as being an interchangeable economic zone.
	So if every high street is a McDonald's and other international outposts and then a load of foreign-owned shops with nothing recognizably indigenously English in it, that's fine because to him that is normal.
	Yeah.
	And that's something that he's completely comfortable with because he never really cared about anything other than base consumption anyway.
	It's not even that.
	That's a very valid point.
	It is that, but it's not just that.
	There's a kind of moral consensus that Ian Dale, a Conservative, the Conservative politician, the new statesman, and the SNP communist have all agreed on.
	And that's what's happening at the moment is fine.
	The status quo is the plan.
	That's what we wanted.
	And so for Charlie to be like, yeah, but this is awful.
	Absolutely awful.
	It's really...
	And he brilliantly articulated there as well.
	Like, really clear.
	And I can't help but feel there are people at home listening to this being like, yeah, no, why does it look like this?
	And so Ian's like, well, what are you seeing?
	If we can get to the next one.
	You've got...
	Was it not Swindon mentioned?
	Yes, yeah, sorry.
	Like, Ian says, Ian, what are you seeing?
	I said, Charlie's like, okay, well, I'll explain.
	Well, I don't know if you've been to a town like Swindon recently, Ian.
	Fun enough, I have.
	What did you think of it?
	About two months ago.
	Well, there we go.
	And what did you think when you were walking down the high street, when you saw the graffiti, the litter, the boarded-up shops, and the, uh...
	And you blame that on immigrants, do you?
	I don't blame it on immigrants.
	I blame it on the government, who has permitted this incredibly destructive policy of mass migration, which has...
	I do blame it on immigrants.
	No.
	There's a real difference between blaming immigrants and blaming immigration policy, because I'm blaming the government.
	Because I think the people who have come here over the last 30 years are just following incentives.
	Why wouldn't you want to come to Britain?
	It's the greatest country in the world.
	It's a land of opportunity, or at least it was.
	But because of the lax approach of the government for the last 30 years, they have essentially sold out that inheritance to all of the world.
	Okay, well, we might come on to some of those issues.
	You might want to ask some questions on those in a few moments' time.
	Okay, he feels as low.
	I'm tired.
	Why do I have to deal with children like this?
	He's got no answer.
	He hasn't got any answer.
	He's such an empty-headed dullard.
	And also, there is also the fact...
	Well, you can blame at least some of it on the immigrants.
	There was the Kenyan meat shop that got shut down for being infested with rats.
	Why do we have a dozen Turkish barbers?
	Who else's fault is that, Ian?
	Whose fault is that?
	Is it the English fault for forcing all of the rats to move it?
	No, of course it's not, you fool.
	The idea that immigrants are not connected to immigration is a remarkable thing that Ian has achieved here.
	It can't possibly be any single one of their fault by taking advantage of the fact that they can come over to the country and we'll give them loads of free stuff.
	They're not to blame.
	I understand why Charlie was making that distinction.
	But at the end of the day, they are still agents, right?
	They are people with moral culpability in the actions they take.
	Ian's trying to suggest that what's actually happened isn't that you can blame the individual and cumulative actions of people making their own decisions, but instead to some nebulous...
	Abstract force that's in the ether.
	It's austerity.
	But he's also trying to open up the door to be able to use the great phrases of racism.
	You could see where he was going.
	You could see exactly where his door was.
	I've seen this with Ian before.
	He's tried it on the show with me before about it when I talk about exactly the same sort of things.
	These type of individuals just only get the opportunity for what they think is a gotcha moment by saying, you've turned around immigration.
	It's the individual.
	And I can turn around there quite clearly and say, I've got a great, you know, mixed race, great family, great people who've got...
	Yeah, but we're not defending ourselves.
	Exactly.
	Not defending ourselves.
	In terms of that.
	But I then always point out, what about those who commit crime?
	How many times have you actually criticised them when they've come over here as foreigners?
	And I turn it back on to them because they refuse to accept that immigration can have any negative impacts whatsoever.
	And it's incumbent upon us to remind them that it does as well, each time.
	And so they move on throughout the rest of the conversation.
	It's an hour long.
	He talks about why reformed polling so well, but Charlie does a really great job.
	For the sake of time, I'll skip that one.
	And they get to the failure of Brexit, which is a really interesting part.
	I think that what Brexit actually was, was an expression of...
	Well, total dissatisfaction with the liberal world order and a desire on the part of the public to break with that completely.
	But that's not what's happened.
	Actually, what's happened is we have gone even further into that kind of liberal vision of Britain and it's been just disastrous.
	It's all feeling very 2018, isn't it?
	What do you mean by liberal vision of Britain?
	Well, once again, one where our borders are open, one where we are told that anybody can become British if they just buy into British values, one where our economy is, you know, sort of systematically de-industrialised, where it's impossible for young people to buy a house and so on.
	Those are policy issues.
	Yeah, thanks.
	Much of that's just policy issues that a government could sort.
	It's not part of a wider globalist agenda or anything.
	These policies are not part of a wider globalist agenda.
	Of course they are.
	Purely nonsense.
	The policies are how the agenda is put into action.
	So to be like, yeah, those things that you don't like, they're just policies, bro.
	I know!
	Yeah, exactly.
	They're not part of a wider globalist agenda or anything.
	Boris Johnson didn't advertise it as global Britain and then crank open the sluice gates so millions...
	We broke down a load of silly policies and put them on a dartboard.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's how we chose them.
	It's completely unconnected to the wider globalist agenda, I'll have you know.
	It's just coincidence that it perfectly aligns with the wider globalist agenda.
	The World Economic Foreign Policy Show.
	Here we are today.
	Boris is going to open up the doors.
	And again...
	It's just policy, bro.
	The fact that Ian Dale's like, what international liberal order?
	And it's like, oh, you don't see the water you swim in.
	Or he's just lying.
	Well, I'm going to assume that he's ignorant for the sake of my judgment of his character.
	Because, Ian Dale, it makes you seem better to be stupid rather than lying.
	It's true, Ian.
	The idea that Ian's like, I don't understand what you mean by international liberal order.
	Okay, well, that's fascinating.
	Considering lots of books are written about it.
	Well, yeah, but I mean, put all that aside.
	But that's a fascinating way of revealing why you, the Conservative, agree with the SNP Communist, right?
	You're all just swimming around in the international liberal order.
	And then you've got a young man like Charlie Downs who comes out and goes, wow, all of this is the problem.
	And Ian's just like, I don't know what you mean.
	I thought the guardrails have been prescribed for me some time in the past and I just can't think beyond it.
	And it just shows the paucity of the mainstream discussion on any of this.
	Which is why Charlie just curb stomps the lot of them.
	It'd be interesting to see whether Bike Back Books, which is what he owns, E&L actually has any book whatsoever on the Liberal Order.
	It would be.
	If any of our audience want to pick that out and we can send it to him.
	Bike Back Publishing, is that it?
	Yeah, it's by publishing, I think.
	I'll take a quick look as we're going along.
	We'll go to the next one, because this is the final one.
	Because you can see at this point that they're desperately saying, well, I mean, I don't know what you mean by liberal order.
	This is just policy.
	I mean, there's never a moral incentive behind policy or anything.
	And Charlie just gets them to the point where they essentially have nothing they can say to him.
	I think that the purpose of a system is what it does.
	And the purpose of our justice system, based on that principle, is to protect people like Mike Amesbury and punish people like Lucy Connolly.
	On that by me again?
	Protect people like Mike Amesbury.
	He was the MP that was in Runcorn.
	He punished a constituent.
	How did the justice system protect him?
	Because, as we've just heard, he received a 10-week suspended sentence for assaulting a constituent, whereas Lucy Connolly posted a tweet and got 31 months.
	But she was calling for asylum hotel to be burnt down.
	Yes, and as I've already said, she does deserve to be punished for that because it's an incitement.
	But again, which is the more severe of the two crimes?
	I would say it's Mike Amesbury.
	Right, let's move on to another subject.
	No answer!
	No answer again!
	Isn't that so beautifully played out, though?
	Yeah.
	The system is designed to protect the...
	Labour MP who beats up a constituent and punish a woman who's distressed about a terrorist attack?
	And he's like, well, how do you think that it does that?
	Because it didn't send him to jail.
	But it sent her to jail.
	It's so straightforward.
	It's so obvious.
	It is not obvious.
	It's very clear.
	But Ian just cannot question the system itself.
	No.
	I'm embedded in this.
	I can't even stand to talk about this.
	You saw the SNP guy just like this.
	It's like, my God, these people are just...
	It's also performative.
	It's not, again, supposed to be answering any of these questions or addressing them.
	It's just to signal to viewers who are not yet off the reservation that, oh, you're not even supposed to...
	Don't even question this.
	This is all just so far below us.
	See, I think you're giving them too much credit.
	I think you're giving them way more credit than they deserve.
	Are you hoping he was actually just weeping silently?
	No, no, no.
	He wasn't weeping.
	I hope he was.
	I hope he was, like, crying.
	No, no, no, no.
	Because I don't think they're as cynical as you think they are, right?
	I think they're genuinely, because I was a liberal once, they have blinders on.
	They have, like, mist in front of their eyes.
	I think you can be sincere in this whilst also being performative in the way that you're showing yourself.
	Sure, but I think that...
	They genuinely don't know where to go with any of these critiques.
	I think they genuinely have nothing to do.
	I think you've got a very important point on there because a few days before this we saw, was it Jenny Green, the now lady or lord, whatever they call her, Jenny Green in the House of Lords, discussing the, they call it the attack by Rupert Lowe on the credibility of Nigel Farage being able to achieve anything in power.
	And her words were to everybody else, and all nodding dogs, they agreed with her.
	I just cannot understand what's into the heads of people who vote reform.
	I've tried and tried to try to understand where they get their concerns from and what is actually driving them.
	And I just thought to myself, do you know what?
	Perhaps if we take you out of your lovely house and shove you in this two up, two down, which is surrounded by people throwing boxes in the streets, hearing the sounds.
	You can live there.
	Why don't you live there on the amounts of money that these people have to live for a year?
	Then you wouldn't even last a year.
	You wouldn't even last a year.
	Last a month.
	Also on Ian Dale's publishing company, if it's Biteback Publishing, they've got plenty of books on politics.
	They've got one called The End of America Post-World Disorder.
	The New World Disorder.
	Stuff like that.
	They published Liz Truss's book, Ten Years to Save the West.
	They've got a number of biographies of people like Margaret Thatcher.
	So you would expect that the liberal world order, or at least the framework of it, would be discussed plenty in these kinds of books.
	We'll take those links and we'll send them to you.
	Maybe you should buy this, Ian.
	So anyway, I just thought Charlie did a superb job of not only presenting the right-wing position in this hostile environment, but also rendering them speechless and unable to engage with anything that he's saying.
	That shows that there is...
	They'll invite him back.
	Well, they won't invite him back, I'm sure.
	But what it shows us is that there's real teeth for the right-wing critique, and the establishment have no answers for it because they themselves are the problem.
	Let's go on to...
	Right, so let's find out how brutal our police are.
	Yes, and I'll let you carry on with it.
	I want to begin with this, because this, to me, I woke up on a day which Tuesday ended up being...
	For me, what I regarded as a very sad and appalling day.
	And this is the beginning of it.
	I mean, if we go down on it, it's down on this.
	This is the time where you get a one-legged, disabled, 92-year-old man who's in a wheelchair in a care home is actually beaten by our police officers, tasered, screamed at, and then eventually three weeks later dies.
	Okay, I haven't seen this.
	I don't think I've seen this.
	But it just strikes me that a one-legged 92-year-old, there's probably never a circumstance where he needs to be tasered.
	Right.
	Now, if you look at this picture here, there he is, in a chair.
	This is from the camera of the police officer that tasered him.
	And you can see in his hand he has what they called a serrated knife.
	I imagine that being somebody at 92 may well have also dementia, and anyone who has to understand about dementia is that people with dementia get quite aggressive and quite violent, and specialists should be able to look after him and understand it.
	Perhaps, as someone said, just throw a blanket over him.
	That would have actually calmed him down much more quickly than what they did.
	But that's the position, William.
	And here you are.
	Imagine yourself in this situation where the man is one-legged.
	He can't really...
	What is he going to do?
	Jump up, bounce towards you and fall over?
	He wasn't one-legged.
	He's 92. This isn't exactly like one of those American situations where the guy could be reaching for a gun in the glove box and you've only got a split second to react.
	No, this is a guy who can't move.
	He's in a care home and he'd actually been wheeled back with the knife in his hand.
	By one of the care home workers into that position in there.
	And the police come in.
	This is him, Donald Burgess.
	Now, I want to say, I don't know how to play this, Samson.
	I don't know if you can do that for us.
	But watch this now.
	It almost brings tears to your eyes.
	I'm going to say, some people may find it.
	I found it particularly distressing because of what they did to this man.
	I am disgusted by that woman.
	And disgusted by the man, and I hope all of us are, to be able to see that.
	Why were the police involved in this situation in the first place?
	Is it just because he was an old dementia patient who was refusing to put a knife down?
	What was the call about him?
	I can't even know if they say small serrated cutlery knife.
	Yes.
	Look at this.
	It's not a Somalian sword that you see in the streets of Sheffield.
	It's not a machete.
	It's not a machete that they allow to effectively crack on with.
	This is what is effectively a butter knife.
	And Staff said there he was seen poking a care worker in the stomach with a knife after flicking food at her.
	That dangerous act of flicking food at her.
	Exactly what you'd expect from someone who's 92 who's got dementia in that chair.
	They called him and they wheeled him back to his room and tried for half an hour to calm him down.
	He didn't look that aggressive to me.
	No, it's a button.
	If you just take it off of it.
	You could adjust anyone with any sense.
	And I've spoken to people who worked in care homes.
	I've spoken to people who have been in situations like that.
	And all of them have almost been in tears over this particular scenario.
	And I wanted to say that first of all...
	These two people, the police officers in here, and I like to say this is important for us, to call out actually who they are.
	I say that whether it's the leaders of a council, whether it's the people who've ignored the rape gang victims, these individuals, every individual has a responsibility.
	And you have poor PC Smith here, is one of those officers there, and Komoto is another of them.
	She's the female officer who tasered them.
	And if you listen to their voice...
	I got a sense that she was almost loving it.
	She was almost excited.
	It was almost like titillating for her to be able to taser a 92-year-old man.
	If I was a member of her family, she should be shunned by this.
	This is exactly the sort of characteristics we have in Britain.
	To turn around and say, how dare you do that?
	There's nothing, nothing to me that says they're right.
	Let's assume that, okay, yeah, this guy has a really sharp knife.
	He's 92. Just close the door and come back in an hour.
	He's going to fall asleep.
	I mean, there was also, I mean, I know it sounds silly, but a knife that looked that blunt, maybe just put like an oven mitt on.
	Take it off him.
	There are any number of ways that this could have gone about.
	Grab his wrist.
	So they are being prosecuted at the moment.
	They're in Southwark Crown Court.
	I don't really know what's happening with the trial on that.
	I kind of feel that they feel like they're American cops.
	There he is.
	This is the individual who did it.
	Look at him.
	But you heard his aggressive voice.
	I mean, what excitement did he get?
	Put it down, put it down.
	Did he not have any sense about him to shouting at someone with dementia?
	And that's her in front of him who did the taser.
	Take a look.
	What did you do?
	Did your College of Policing have a special session on how to deal with one-legged disabled people in a wheelchair to taser, taser, taser that loud?
	And I'm utterly, utterly disgusted.
	By this in many ways.
	So I just thought, well, I'm going to take that and have a look on, you know, how we look at policing in this country.
	And I think here, I then started to look at the numbers.
	And we've got apparently hundreds of police officers have been sacked each year for bad behaviour.
	And if we go down here, just 600 officers dismissed in the last 12 months, 400 a year ago.
	We've got possession of indecent images of children, 33 for abusing their position of sexual purpose.
	It's less than 0.5% of the workforce and I will always emphasise, again because I know people in the police force myself, that the vast majority of them do go into this to work really hard to try and do the right thing for us, to protect ourselves from serious crime and many of them are feeling the pressure of the woke system above them.
	But the thing is, there's been a drive to recruit police officers.
	Yes.
	Didn't they say they wanted 20,000 new police officers or something like that?
	Yeah, and a lot of them they want coming straight from university rather than coming down.
	Standards are going down.
	Yeah, and while at the same time a lot of these, by the sounds of it, they don't give the exact number, but in that same paragraph they say, groups of officers punished for sharing deeply offensive WhatsApp messages.
	Yeah.
	So what will that be?
	Offensive memes?
	Yeah, we've seen examples of it.
	We've seen that sort of thing that come here.
	They go on and say, you know, pick out always one, like David Garrick.
	And I see that, and then I come across to the next one, I thought, right, okay, let's start looking in the official statistics.
	It's always more useful to do this.
	And if we can come down on here, I found this page really fascinating.
	Because it breaks them down into thousands.
	It wasn't the numbers that we just saw.
	It was 96,000 misconduct offences by police officers last year alone.
	96,000?
	Yes, and they break them down into these groups of what they call them in comparisons.
	Formal misconducts here for individuals in 1,698 for misconduct proceedings.
	And when we break them down to types of officers, Different types of misconduct, different types of hearings.
	They go through this.
	And allegations.
	97,000 police officers under Schedule 3 complaints.
	Well, I had enough time to really wonder what Schedule 3 complaints were, how you broke it down.
	But I just wanted people to, if you just wanted to glance at some of the types of offences and the numbers.
	And again...
	We talk about the numbers of police officers, 147,000, but we're looking near 100,000 offences.
	That's almost one for one.
	At least the allegations.
	Yes, the allegations.
	I can tell you anecdotally that a friend of mine...
	At the end of last year, stopped working as a police officer and moved to a different career instead, which is a real shame because I've known him most of my life and he always wanted to be a police officer.
	But he said one of the major reasons was that the people that he was working with that they were hiring were not up to standard and he couldn't trust them to have his back.
	And he was not liking the way that he was being policed within the police itself because of the fact that he was somebody who was working in Stoke.
	Who had to deal with a lot of the problems that happen in certain communities around Stoke that he wasn't able to deal with properly.
	Yeah, and I think a lot of this, if I started to delve into the complaints, the conducts and the audible conduct manners that are going against the police officers, I bet there is a racial element to it.
	One of the other things, and I...
	Should be careful not to give too much information, but basically one of the other problems was that with a lot of the women coming into the force, a lot of them file frivolous complaints against male officers.
	He was subject to one because he had been very short with a female officer when she was not driving properly, when he was taking her on her first drive around, and she filed a complaint against him for that, for misconduct, abusive behaviour.
	Because I think she failed to signal or failed to do something with the lights.
	And he was like, don't do that.
	Was just very direct about it.
	Apparently that was enough for her to start trying to make complaints about it.
	Well, I wouldn't be surprised.
	And that's similar to sort of stories I've had about the old guard and what they're called in the new guard and why they don't want to stay for very long.
	And I said, I just printed this out for people just to understand the level of complaints that are being made.
	How many police officers are there?
	About 147,000.
	So I have 147,000 police.
	There have been 97,000 allegations made against them.
	Yes, last year.
	In one year?
	Yeah, 75%.
	That is unbelievable.
	And obviously there's a lot more research to go into finding out what the complaints are, what the allegations are, how many individuals were involved in that.
	Could a police officer have had like 10 complaints made against them?
	Well, they must have done.
	And that's my suspicion.
	But the idea is that we've either got people complaining so heavily against police officers for exactly the same sort of reasons your friend are, or I think concerted developments by community groups that complain about actions so that they can control it.
	So a bit of research behind who the individuals being complained are about, what race nationality they are, against the people making the allegations.
	But I'm going to move on now to the criminal proceedings.
	Just interesting on this.
	Because I'm linking this now to the story that we have.
	There were actually 227 criminal proceedings related to 133 unique police officers last year.
	In one year.
	In one year.
	And I think that's quite a lot of police officers to be charged with criminal proceedings.
	It seems like a lot to me.
	And we know the results in there.
	And is it related?
	And again, it's the sort of research I could go in.
	It's not quite the type of area I've looked at, but I thought, you know, there's a criminality about this.
	We've seen the police officers that have got involved with drugs gangsters.
	We've seen the head of a prison connected to drug gangsters.
	All of this is now becoming more and more relevant and prevalent, I think, by looking at the statistics.
	This was just something that I think people will have to look at when we're doing analysis of research.
	Always try and look at some of the main facts and figures.
	We've got 140,000 there in police officers full-time.
	Ethnicity is only known for 136,000.
	Somehow we don't know the ethnicity of four.
	We've got now 91% and 8.1% Asian, black, mixed, and other, which is...
	So that's totally disproportionate.
	Yes.
	Yeah, and again, if you look at the senior police officers, the numbers are creeping up from mixed and ethnic groups in terms of that.
	The percentage of police officers, England and Wales in 2021 census there, is now 18.3% from an ethnic minority background.
	So in certain areas, I can imagine that there is an excessive number of ethnic minority backgrounds compared to the white communities for the research.
	But it all goes to the kind of level.
	Of change that's happening in the police officers and the community there, but also the change in the complaints.
	Is there a correlation that we've got between this?
	And I just wanted to try and look at some of this.
	This is some of the individual misconduct proceedings and take the numbers of that.
	The white community there, you'd expect to have bigger numbers, 584, 335, 272.
	But the percentage...
	Of the numbers of the black, mixed and Asian is bigger in percentage terms and bigger in percentage terms per capita of the individuals as well.
	Not trying to say that all of them are committing crimes, but again, is it because we've got this accelerated programmes to bring people in who may not necessarily have had a desire to be a police officer and it's just because it's woke?
	Maybe.
	It could be racism.
	Again, from what I've been told, the actual standards for onboarding people into the police system have completely deteriorated.
	I saw the name of the police chief, the Met police chief, who was saying they specifically want to recruit from minority communities to represent them.
	Was it West Yorkshire police as well saying they didn't?
	That was the one.
	But this isn't a political This is meant to be a neutral arm of the state that's preserving law and order.
	So representation is not the question.
	Efficacy is the question.
	Desire and honesty.
	And without a doubt, again, a friend of mine is a black police officer, a very, very good one, gets fed up with seeing people being promoted.
	In his view, not because they've got talent, but because they've got the right kind of skills that are required by the chief constable.
	In his words.
	Schmoozers.
	Yes, and I think to a certain extent, this is something that's causing police officers a huge amount of concern and links over to why we get the first instance of individuals that are willing to go for it.
	Now, of course, no story about police officers wouldn't be the same without the fact that it's all about police brutality in the UK is down to race.
	So here we have...
	This all goes back to the Stephen Lawrence situation.
	Right there, in the first line, over 20 years since the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, in which...
	Next paragraph.
	In the wake of the murder of George Floyd, something that didn't even happen here.
	Swarmed with images of police violence.
	And again, if you actually look at the Stephen Lawrence inquiry as well...
	All of the reports from it were just that, yeah, it's institutionally racist, the police are institutionally racist, with nothing to actually back it up, with no counter-arguments given to show this is how it would have been dealt differently if Stephen Lawrence was a different race, that they would have followed it up.
	And from what I saw, the actual...
	Original investigation into Stephen Lawrence's death.
	They didn't really have all that much to follow up on in the first place.
	The family were just annoyed that they had a few witnesses who said, oh, it was a white group of kids that did it.
	That they didn't...
	Have enough evidence to follow up on properly, but that's how police work is.
	If you don't have the evidence, you can't do much with it.
	Yeah, they then said it was institutionally racist that they didn't pursue this to the nth degree, and that's why we've ended up with some such changes in there.
	But I wanted to point this out because this is always the background image now that's going through the police force.
	At the back of the ground, the crime is being undertaken and the police force is aggressive and violent, but it's only against black people.
	I didn't see a black person who was a 92-year-old one-legged wheelchair person there being tasered by two white police officers there.
	I don't see the George Floyd marches on the streets over that.
	I don't see the anger on the Ian Dale shows about this.
	Why?
	To me, it looked like just ranking competence.
	Two people who weren't really fit for the job given weapons.
	But if that person was a black 92-year-old individual, it would be coming down to here, institutional racism.
	Again, as we always say, the violence of police against the criminal is against black individuals in this country.
	And, you know, I thought, well...
	Again, let's look at the evidence.
	I've just shown you the evidence of the police officers, the evidence of the misconduct, what the percentages of the people involved in that.
	Then we go to the deaths in police custody.
	1,927 deaths in police custody or otherwise since 1990.
	Actually, to be fair, it's pretty difficult to go all the way back to 1990.
	I tried to do the research on this.
	And this comes from the inquest.org.
	And they're actually pretty...
	Sorry, I need to go back.
	Previous to that.
	They're actually pretty decent on here.
	They get custody shootings, pursuits from this.
	I've looked into this previously.
	Will it shock you to learn that actually it's disproportionately working-class white men?
	Exactly what I'm about to show you.
	Would that shock you?
	No, of course not.
	So they're pretty good.
	They go down here, they list them all, and again, you can find this out in a different form of statistics.
	So I thought it was fascinating to try and look across.
	The actual ethnicity of this.
	So I follow up for anybody who wants to know that this kind of organisation, the Independent Office of Police Conduct, I've got here just up on the line 2022-2023.
	When you run through this, it doesn't do the backdated stats in this.
	It doesn't do the whole years of, say, 2000 or 1990.
	You have to go each individual report to find the numbers on ethnicity related to who...
	It was impacted by it.
	And build up your own charts.
	But if people wanted to find out real stories about the stats on crime and who's been shot and killed by the police, it's in this report for each year.
	So I listed it up there as a form of evidence of where we get our details from because no-one's going to claim the right and not looking at the left's evidence.
	And here we are.
	So this is exactly where we've got.
	Deaths in custody since 2015.
	Pretty much relatively small numbers in terms of here.
	But the deaths are the D. The whites are the whites.
	The blacks are blacks, Asians are mixed.
	Right.
	So minorities, basically.
	Yes.
	Take a look at the numbers.
	15. 18 died in custody.
	16 whites, 2 blacks.
	14 in 2016, 11-3.
	You could see the numbers are disproportionately in both gross terms and percentage terms.
	Apart from potentially, you could argue 2019, which is the period where we had a lot of terrorist bombs.
	I think 2017 is the year you're referring to where we have seven deaths in the mixed categories.
	Apart from that one, but we had a lot of terrorist activities going on there.
	So I kind of drew a little graph just to show people that that's how significant are our deaths, whites to blacks, in terms of this.
	White, blacks, Asians are mixed.
	The stats don't show.
	That we've got institutional racism about deaths in custody by our police forces in here, in our country.
	May well be different in the United States.
	Do not have the stats for that.
	And if I go next, then I do deaths by police shooting.
	Because, of course, we've all got our George Floyds.
	Remember when they went and shot that black man and went after...
	They wanted to turn...
	I've forgotten his name, but it was the Londoner who was trying to run over the police officers who got shot in the head.
	I covered it a few times.
	They desperately wanted to make him the British George Floyd.
	Absolutely.
	But the weight of evidence was against them for that.
	And again, here we are from 2015.
	There's a date we've gone back.
	I can show you the number of deaths by shooting, thankfully, by our police, is relatively low.
	The biggest in there is 2016.
	And it's a relatively 2014.
	One-third, two-thirds split between them, which is a bit more abnormal in terms of those numbers.
	But look at the fact it's mainly white people who are shot by the police, both in gross terms and percentage terms.
	The only one is 2021, I'll talk about that, is because the other person who was shot by the police, there was an indeterminate race.
	They couldn't work out who that was.
	It does tend to vary year on year.
	But in 2019, it was all people of ethnic minority backgrounds.
	Yeah, they were the terrorists that we shot, I think, outside Southwark.
	Of course, and when you're talking about such small figures, it's almost irrelevant to try and figure out statistical patterns, because the situations that they find themselves in are going to be so different each time.
	So again, if we look at the graphs on there, yes, there's a bit more in terms of the numbers, in terms of a balance.
	But this is not showing...
	A police force that's institutionally racist.
	It's not showing a police force that actively goes out and shoots people of colour compared to those of whites about it.
	What it does show is that our police force actually don't shoot as many people.
	There aren't as many deaths, thankfully, in custody.
	There's another bit of research that I can add on that will probably add a little bit more in terms of numbers per year.
	But over a whole, what he does show is that there is an attitude changing in our police force that results in people like a 92-year-old being tasered, battened, pepper sprayed whilst he's in a wheelchair.
	And I want to dispel the argument that we've got racism in our police force based on the numbers of deaths in custody.
	That doesn't happen, but I'm not going to dispel the fact that we've got a change in our police force that needs to change when they're doing things like that.
	And that's what I wanted to bring people to understand today.
	Let's have the evidence to fight back against the left.
	Let's provide them with the research whenever someone comes up with a George Floyd argument or institutional racism in the police.
	It isn't there.
	In fact, the numbers are beginning to show the opposite.
	Samson, have we got video comments today?
	Which we do.
	Before we get to a note, Dirty Belter says, Speaking as an Englishman with a Brazilian mother, it's very common even now for Britain to be seen as a rich nation where everyone lives in abundance.
	In a sense, the rest of the world is stuck seeing after the image of the British Empire, like how one sees a blot in the vision after looking at the sun.
	It will not last, and I worry how it will be treated when it's worn off.
	Let's go to the video comments.
	Thanks.
	Thank you.
	Malawians have a reason to celebrate Donald Trump cutting USAID.
	The International Fund for Animal Welfare says it has stopped $5 million worth of projects in southern Africa.
	This includes the release of 263 elephants in Kasunga National Park, which has led to the death of 12 people, orphaning 60 children and impoverishing 11,500 people because of elephant crop damage.
	Locals have killed more than 40 of the elephants.
	The...
	Wow.
	11.8.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Next one Name of the band last year, surprise Yes, thank you Okay
	Hey, nice Don't break it up You you you We'll see you next time.
	I've never heard of any of these bands.
	Well, you've heard of Metallica.
	Oh, yeah, okay.
	The only band that you showed there that I actually actively listen to is Metallica.
	The rest of them are bands.
	They sound like bands that I would see at the festival.
	Is that a group fight at the end?
	No, it's a mosh pit.
	It's a mosh pit.
	Yeah.
	I'm sure I saw someone with a right hook.
	Oh, well, that's crowd killing.
	They're the worst.
	I hate those guys.
	The mosh pit is supposed to be like a communal exercise of aggression where you all just run and bump into one another.
	Yeah.
	Kind of do like a metal breakdance where they throw fists and start kicking wildly into the air.
	I have seen people get just booted in the face before by people who do that.
	And it's the worst thing.
	I would never wish violence on anybody except crowd killers.
	For someone who did breakdancing, the idea of metal breakdancing, now that's just going through my head.
	It's just people throwing fists for no reason.
	Like shadowboxing against their inner demons.
	It is important to know that humanoid robot videos you see online are promotional.
	They only upload the best clips, so most of the time they fall down.
	We saw something similar back in the mid-20-teens when a bunch of companies made mechs in response to the upcoming Megabots vs Kratos fight.
	But when the fight happened and faced with the reality, the machines couldn't live up to the hype, and this made it all the harder for mech builders in the future to work in the industry, or lack thereof.
	Yeah, physics isn't working as I was promised by Hollywood movies.
	Is there another one, Samson?
	George says, normally foreigners shouldn't be entitled to housing or using the NHS since they haven't contributed anything to the system.
	The only possible reason that they are is bait for them to flood the country.
	Stopping the benefits will stop the majority of the invaders.
	That's true.
	We should just be turning off the taps.
	I don't know why we even need to have that conversation, really.
	Lars says, The SNP guy talking about Charlie's appearance.
	I don't know what you're on about.
	After Tim Pool's podcast with Adam Conover, the term weaponised ignorance is something we need to get frustrated.
	I have seen a few clips from that Tim Pool appearance where...
	Tim is just, ironically enough, bringing up the rape gangs, and Conover just goes, I don't even know why we're talking about this, and kind of performatively buries his head in his hands as well.
	That's why I'm saying it's performative, because they all seem to have this same conditioned response to it, which is, this is not to be responded with, you put on this show of exasperation because, oh, I can't believe you're even thinking to bring this up, like it's low class.
	Yeah, Adam Conover definitely was doing that.
	I'm not sure that the chap on Ian Dale's show was, but Conover was definitely doing that.
	Robert says, Charlie shows the Westminster bubble in real time that the belief that if it works inside the M25, it works everywhere else because they believe we are all the same and we are interchangeable.
	The problem is you have to look at one another to see that we are not the same.
	We are all different.
	That Texas gal says, Speaking of giving your country away, I saw your government quietly sold your fishing rights to Europe this week.
	Yeah, it wasn't so quiet.
	I mean, everyone knows that it's happened, but...
	It's only 12 years.
	What difference could 12 years make?
	Let's ask the Tories.
	I just can't.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Just another knife in the back, frankly.
	Small L Libertarian, £160 for a two-hour train ride.
	I travelled halfway across Victoria by train for like $40, and that was a two-and-a-half-hour train ride.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's because they own our trains, so they just ratchet up the price.
	There are charts that show comparisons of British train prices to European train prices for the same journeys.
	Ours are at least five times higher than the next.
	Yeah, the SNP guy's like, what are you saying?
	The British state isn't looking out for the British people.
	The thing is as well, if you want to encourage public transport, you want to encourage people to not drive around as much for carbon emission reasons or whatever, make the price of public transport more affordable because bus prices are going up as well.
	Everything is getting more expensive.
	It's more expensive to take a train from Glasgow or Edinburgh to London than it is to take a plane.
	And I've seen people, like eco-warriors on Instagram, posting about this, saying, the carbon emissions are so much worse if you take a plane, take the train, and said, yeah, well, the train ticket is probably going to cost you three or four times as much as a plane ticket will for that same journey.
	So why would they take the train?
	It's about 20 quid to go from 15 minutes from here to Didcot.
	That's more than a pound a minute.
	This is crazy.
	You know, this is absolutely crazy.
	And so, yeah, we're just getting totally shafted, basically.
	Daniel says, What the hell?
	In my time working in a care home, I had a butter knife and a cup thrown at me, those cops should be put in prison, everything they did made the situation worse, that made my blood boil.
	Yeah, it's insufferable to watch.
	I know lots of people who've worked at care homes, it doesn't sound like a nice job when you're dealing with dementia-ridden patients, but they've put up with a lot worse than a guy with a butter knife.
	I know, just take it off him.
	NotFed says, if you attack a burglar with a baseball bat, that's unreasonable forcing you to go to jail.
	If you're a police officer, you can taser and beat a disabled old man.
	I hope these police officers face justice, but I'm not feeling optimistic.
	No, but again, it's just the way that the system works.
	Zesty says, the police only use force against those they won't get a backlash for hurting.
	Now this, I think, is coming to your point of the police being excessively politically correct.
	They know that if they hurt a Pakistani Muslim, there will be consequences by the wider group and therefore consequences for them.
	Indigenous English, on the other hand, is fair game.
	Which is why the stats look like they do.
	Arizona Deseret says they're talking too fast.
	He can't process what they're saying.
	Exactly.
	And I think so, because he looked just confused.
	His eyes were glazed.
	He was looking over what's going on.
	When they said something, he was like, okay, yeah, time to pepper spray him, boys.
	That will really help.
	Good God, man.
	To be fair, quite a number of these complaints against police officers may well be Either frivolous or intended to at the very least muddy the waters in specific cases.
	How many tweets and the like are considered politically incorrect?
	And that's a fair objection, obviously.
	We don't know.
	Yeah, the data doesn't break it down to politically frivolous complaints.
	Although, of course, as said, my friend experienced that directly from a woman police officer.
	And that whole situation, I don't mean to make light of it, does remind me of the little Sam Hyde clip where he's saying, you get pulled over by a female cop, you best have your Kevlar on you.
	You best make sure you've got a bulletproof vest.
	She's not going to take any prisoners.
	She's going to reach for a taser.
	She's going to pick up a gun by accident.
	Yeah, the gun's going to go off.
	Yeah, no, no.
	Exactly, exactly.
	I think he might be coming on Friday, actually.
	Oh, there we go.
	So yeah, he'll be on Friday.
	There you go.
	So yeah, don't say that we didn't think about this.
	And K.O. says...
	You tea-chuggers claim you can't fight tyrannical government because you don't have a Second Amendment.
	We've never said that.
	Apparently all you need, though, to bring the government to its knees is a butter knife.
	Well, I mean, I don't want to get pepper sprayed and tasered.
	People have literally been arrested for it before.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Even if we tried to do a joke where we're all wheeled in wheelchairs and we still know we're going to go.
	I think one of the, sadly, tragically, one of the family members of the victims at Southport last year, presumably coached by the government, has started calling for a ban on sharp knives, like cut the edges off of knives or something.
	Just, okay.
	I can't imagine that a normal person experiencing what they experience would come to that conclusion themselves.
	I can't imagine that without a little bit of government nudging that they would come to that conclusion.
	It just doesn't answer the question.
	So when they do their annual events at the Dorchester and they get their steak knives out, how difficult it's going to be doing, would they give them a plastic one instead?
	I don't think that's going to happen, is it?
	I need to open a box.
	Unfortunately, I don't have a sharp knife to pierce the film on it.
	I guess it's closed forever.
	Anyway, thank you so much for joining us, folks.
	Again, sorry we've been a half-hour late.
	But we will see you again tomorrow.

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