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	Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Friday, the 9th of May, 2025.
	I'm joined by Beau, and today we're going to be talking about how a man has been charged with, quote, harassing Islam, the nightmare future of Britain that we seem to be insisting on just walking straight into as if there were no other choices, and how they lied about the Southport riots.
	Are you going to be shocked to learn it wasn't the far right?
	Well...
	It wasn't far-right thugs?
	No, it wasn't.
	Despite what the Prime Minister said, and all of the media said, and all of the people that they blamed, it wasn't actually far-right thuggery.
	Again, remarkable that our establishment would just be wildly ideological and just spew a bunch of lies about something that they don't have any control over, but there we go, this is the world we live in.
	So, not exactly great news for the podcast, but after the podcast we do have Lads Hour and...
	Best time of the week, because we've got a great topic today.
	I kept coming across lists of things that women have made about what makes men feminine, and so what we're going to do is find out how girly we are.
	That women made, trad, conservative women.
	Not just trad, just normal women.
	All right, all right.
	Or most women, sorry.
	Just normal women who are dating men, who are just like, ugh, when he eats with a fork.
	That makes me think he's a girl.
	Things like this.
	Long list of things.
	So we're going to go through and we're going to tally up our girly score.
	And we're going to see who the most girly of us is.
	Honestly, I think I'm going to win this.
	I'm not joking.
	I think I'm going to win this.
	By win, do you mean the highest or the lowest?
	The highest.
	I'm going to be the most girly.
	I'm not even joking.
	I've seen the list.
	You guys haven't seen the list.
	And I'm like, oh, I do like oat milk.
	You know?
	So, you know?
	I think I'm going to be the most girly in the office, which, not great, but what can you do?
	Like, I won't necessarily turn down Haribo or Candy Floss.
	Something like that.
	I'm okay on that charge, but yes, it's something like that.
	It's not great, and it's all brilliant.
	So I'm going to have to grow my beard out like yours.
	I'm going to have to grow this giant, bushy, Ayatollah-style beard, just to compensate.
	Anyway, let's begin.
	In Britain recently, a man has been charged with burning a Quran under the auspices of, quote, harassing Islam.
	Do we know, just to cut to the chase, do we know what the actual...
	What parliamentary act is that he was charged under?
	Well, we don't, exactly.
	I have a statement from the Crown Prosecution Service that I'll get to in a minute, just to give you the exact words that they've given us.
	But I think we can deduce from that which one it is.
	It's going to be some sort of hate speech law, basically.
	It'll be hate crime legislation of some sort.
	So this is a Mr. Koskin, Hamit Koskin, who himself is Turkish.
	It's a very English name.
	He's Turkish.
	But I'm assuming he's an atheist because he did it outside of the Turkish embassy as a protest against Erdogan and an act of solidarity with Salwan Mumka.
	Momica, an Iraqi refugee who was assassinated in Sweden after burning Korans in repeated public protests.
	So these are Middle Easterners who are against Islam and who want to protest Islam and have decided that Britain is the best place to do it because, I mean, Britain was the home of free speech, wasn't it?
	Where does the concept of free speech come from?
	That's right, it came from England.
	So, yeah, he must have read...
	You must have read Aria Pagatica.
	You must have read On Liberty.
	And he must have been like, well, the English are definitely going to protect my right to free speech.
	So he comes over, burns the Quran, and the British coppers are like, oi, oi, oi.
	Except they say in Pakistani, whatever that is.
	And you can't be burning Quran around here, mate.
	That's harassing Islam.
	That's insulting Islam.
	And he was like, oh, I guess I'm under arrest then.
	And this is basically literally what has happened.
	So he's guilty of perhaps, I don't know the man or his backstory, but perhaps apostasy, but certainly blasphemy then.
	Well, yeah.
	That's blasphemy.
	It is a blasphemy law by another name.
	And so remember back in February, the government committed to free expression because a bunch of the independent Muslim MPs were tabling the idea, sorry, of having blasphemy laws in Britain, which were only formally abolished in 2008, But I guess if they're not really used very much then...
	Because they used to be Christian blasphemy laws from way back when, sort of thing.
	Britain being a very old state, has a bunch of archaic laws, and they were formally abolished in 2008.
	But they have come back, in an informal way, because they have harmonised the concept of being of a religion with being brown.
	Brown people have religion, white people don't have religion, and so you are racist against brown people if you criticise their religion.
	And so...
	Perfect logic.
	No flaws.
	Don't see any pitfalls or issues with that.
	Well, I mean, we literally have this.
	And so the government back in February said they were going to, quote, protect the right to free expression, stating that no blasphemy laws will be introduced by this government.
	And in a technical way, that's correct.
	The blasphemy laws were already here.
	They're just being...
	I was going to say, the CPS are like, too late.
	Too late.
	We've had that for years.
	Thank you.
	Exactly.
	They were brought into...
	They were brought into legislation by the Labour government, but they weren't called blasphemy laws, so who cares, bro, right?
	So a CPS spokesman said, quote, to the Crown Prosecution Service, said, we charged Hammett Koskyn on the basis that his actions caused harassment, alarm or distress, which is a criminal offence, and this was motivated by hostility towards a religious or racial group.
	So that's exactly it.
	He's harassing Muslims by burning a Quran.
	All Muslims everywhere.
	Okay, you're not allowed to argue with the CPS.
	I think that the CPS are absolutely correct and I don't want them charging me with harassing an entire religious group of people for not having respect for their holy book.
	I mean, that's mad, right?
	I doubt they would bring charges against anyone and not burn a Bible.
	No, of course not.
	Of course they wouldn't.
	Go and burn a Bible in public and no one will care.
	They say, quote, as part of our continuous review of ongoing cases, we concluded that the wording of the charge was incorrectly applied and we have substituted a new charge to more accurately reflect the alleged offence.
	So essentially what they're saying here is he's harassing Islam itself, which is how people are taking this.
	Seems a bit fragile.
	Well...
	I thought it was the unalterable word of God straight from heaven.
	What do they care if...
	Well, you might think, what do they care?
	But remember, they are quite fragile.
	And they don't take this kind of thing well.
	And I just want to be very clear, right?
	This means that we basically have the same blasphemy laws as Pakistan, right?
	In effect...
	We are using exactly the same blasphemy laws as Pakistan, which makes it a crime to disturb a religious assembly, trespass and burial grounds, insult religious beliefs, or intentionally destroy or defile a place or an object of worship.
	The maximum punishment under these laws ranges from one year to ten years in jail, with and without a fine.
	They were expanded in the 1980s to make derogatory remarks against Islamic personages, an offence.
	And in 1982, another clause prescribed life imprisonment.
	Just to be clear, this is in Pakistan.
	This is in Pakistan.
	Just to be clear, this is in Pakistan.
	How do you know?
	Well, we don't have the death penalty.
	So that's the only way I can tell the difference between them.
	So basically, we've got the same blasphemy laws as Pakistan.
	The question is just the length of sentence.
	That's the only real difference.
	Will you get life imprisonment or however long, 10 years in jail for burning a Quran?
	No, you'll probably get more.
	Let's be honest.
	We treat racially motivated crimes with incredible severity.
	And so he's probably going to get more than 10 years in jail.
	You think so?
	I have no idea, to be honest.
	But I am honestly sceptical that we will do anything sensible in this.
	I mean, he shouldn't be charged with anything, obviously.
	I mean, why I'm even having to say that is kind of bizarre, right?
	He bought a Quran.
	He burned his property.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, of course.
	What more is there to say?
	Was it your Quran?
	No?
	Well, then shut up.
	But anyway, that's me being an Englishman and thinking about things that actually matter, like property rights.
	Anyway, so one of the few people came out...
	I mean, Robert Jemmerich actually did come out, but I think Rupert Lowe came out first, so I'm going to use Rupert.
	Rupert Lewis comes out and says, look, this is Britain.
	We do not have blasphemy laws, and we must not have blasphemy laws.
	Burning a Quran is not a crime.
	Free speech means protecting the right to offend.
	Including Islam, more politicians should have the courage to say so.
	How's he wrong?
	Both should be a completely milquetoast statement of fact, and...
	Ballsy of him to come out and say it on Twitter at the same time.
	Both those things.
	Yes.
	What a world we live in.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, that's absolutely correct.
	But I like the uncompromising way that he puts this.
	Like, look, there is no kowtowing to foreign moral systems.
	There is the way we do things, and this is our country, and therefore this is how things should be.
	So this, as you can see, caught a lot of attention.
	1.4 million views at the time of writing.
	And one of the independent Muslim MPs for Gaza decided to respond to this.
	In complete agreement with Richard Lowe, I should say.
	Being a member of Parliament.
	Being a British member of Parliament.
	Being an honourable member.
	Yes.
	No, it turns out that when you elect Pakistani MPs, they hold Pakistani values.
	And so they act like the MPs for Pakistan.
	Which is weird.
	I know this is a big...
	The magic soil...
	Worked in every other case, just not in Adnan Hussein's case.
	I thought the passport and the magic soil and wearing a Western-style suit just made you...
	It doesn't.
	Does he not know about British values?
	That's the question, right?
	Like, British values.
	Tolerance is one of these values, and you've got to tolerate that some people want to burn a Koran, don't you?
	What do I know, right?
	So anyway...
	Is that not his position?
	The independent Muslim MP for Blackburn, who ran on the pro-Gaza platform, says, quote, what Rupert actually wants to say is free speech means protecting the right to offend Muslims.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's right.
	He didn't hide that.
	Like, that's not what he actually wants to say.
	He literally says that.
	Free speech means protecting the right to offend, including Islam.
	That's literally word for word what Rupert says.
	And so, yeah, the right to offend Muslims, that's right.
	And so Rupert Lowey just replies, yes!
	Like, again, the one good MP we've got.
	It's just like, yeah, that's what that means.
	What country did you think you were in?
	You're not an MP for Pakistan, actually.
	How have you found yourself in this position where you're acting like an MP for Pakistan?
	So he says, yeah, I believe...
	Well, yeah, we'll get to it.
	Rupert says, yes, I do believe the right to offend Muslims must be protected.
	The right to offend anyone must be protected, which is true, obviously.
	You know, I mean, I can be offended by a bunch of things people say, but I'm not saying they should go to jail, obviously.
	And so Adnan says, well, well, well.
	It's deeply worrying, Rupert, that you invest so much energy into advocating for the right to offend a minority community.
	Well, I mean, if you're part of that minority community and you're trying to express a kind of Quranic set of laws and values over the majority population, for example, I mean, this probably isn't in line with the Sharia, right?
	So, yeah, I guess it's deeply worrying to him as an MP for Pakistan, but as an Englishman...
	I find it deeply worrying that Rupert has to even express any of these values at all.
	It should be completely assumed.
	It's deeply worrying.
	Is it?
	Yeah, for you, yeah.
	Is it deeply worrying?
	Yeah, for whom?
	And you're saying it's deeply worrying that someone dare stand up for freedom of expression.
	Yes.
	Freedom of...
	Of thought.
	Freedom of speech.
	Freedom of action.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But what's interesting is the way he's kind of flipped this around.
	So he's a bit philosophically confused here, but who could be surprised?
	He says free speech comes with limitations and protections.
	Clearly you're not happy with those protections extending to a Muslim minority.
	It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	That's not how that works, right?
	So what you're saying is free speech must prevent the consequences of the speech from...
	Harming or affecting the Muslim minority.
	But that's not what that means.
	What it means is that Muslims are allowed to say things I find offensive and not go to jail.
	So in fact, the protections from free speech do apply to the Muslim minority.
	It just doesn't protect your feelings from what has been said.
	It's that simple.
	But the thing is...
	I don't think this is an entirely good faith argument that he's making anyway.
	I was going to say that.
	None of this is in good faith whatsoever from his side, obviously.
	Nice to see he's getting ratioed into oblivion.
	Absolute oblivion.
	39,000 likes to 2,800 likes, yes.
	And to his 351 just after.
	But anyway, Rupert replies to this as well and says, "It's the establishment's total unwillingness "to criticize Islam in any form "that has paved the way for your absurd attitude.
	"It's arrogant, it's entitled, it's sinister.
	"The approach has to change." Utterly uncompromising.
	Again, 15,000 likes on that.
	I mean, I can't describe how much I agree with Rupert Lowe on this.
	I'm so glad to see we have at least one parliamentarian.
	Now, you know...
	We know what the Muslim community is like when it comes to strident criticism, so I hope things go okay in the future.
	Anyway, so even lefties were like, not sure about this, bro, because...
	Now, this is Dennis.
	He's got me blocked on Twitter.
	I don't know who that is.
	He's the director at the Gay Men's Network.
	Okay.
	So he's a lefty, right?
	But he's like, look, a bit worrying this.
	Freedom to offend against any religion is pretty consistent common law right, and one the High Court jealously and ferociously protects.
	Yeah, well, we'll see what the Supreme Court says about that, won't we?
	Surprising to see an MP uncomfortable with that, and presumably more comfortable with de facto blasphemy provisions.
	He is an independent Muslim MP for Gaza.
	He supports the Pakistani-style blasphemy laws being introduced in Britain.
	Why is everyone surprised by this?
	I throw out the insult fifth columnist on Twitter and on this podcast a fair bit.
	Hopefully, always...
	If the shoe fits, right?
	Yeah.
	Like, sorry.
	Well, in this case, that Adnan Hussein seems to be the very, very perfect definition of a fifth columnist.
	I mean, he wants Pakistani-style blasphemy laws in Britain.
	He is a Pakistani man who became an MP on a purely Muslim interest because the Muslim community in the place that he lives is large enough to elect their own MPs.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I mean, what else would a fifth columnist look like?
	Seriously, what would the difference be?
	And so, okay, so what's Adnan's response to this?
	What do you say?
	Well, I'm uncomfortable with racism.
	Oh.
	And there it is.
	And there it is.
	Racism.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You know what, Adnan?
	I'm uncomfortable with you calling for blasphemers.
	Now what?
	We can all be uncomfortable together.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	I don't care if you think this is racist.
	I just don't care.
	And what's interesting is, I mean, you know, everyone's in the replies being like, well, hang on a second.
	How is this racism?
	How is this racism?
	Islam isn't a race, right?
	It's a religion, you know?
	Exactly.
	I mean, exactly.
	You get this.
	It's not a race and ideology.
	But remember, the British government interpolates Islam as an expression of brownness, right?
	No, they really do, right?
	And I don't mean to sound crass about it, but to them, Islam is an ethnic minority-coded religion, right?
	And therefore, because they associate Islam entirely with brown people, Criticism of this sincerely held belief by brown people, it's a form of racism to them.
	And, okay, well, that means that we're not allowed to criticize Islam because, as Adan points out, that's racism.
	It's funny because you can have, of course, white Muslims, of course, Western converts, or even like Albanians.
	I was just going to say Albanians, yeah, or like people from Kosovo or whatever.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's just...
	It's an ideology.
	But the point is, it's been...
	Sort of circumscribed for a community of people who are just not white.
	And so this makes it a racialized issue.
	And people from the Muslim community are quite happy to racialize the issue and say, right, criticizing my belief system, no matter how bonkers you might find it.
	Is racial hatred towards me?
	And that means that I don't ever have to answer the criticisms.
	I don't have to justify my religion.
	I don't have to explain why it's good or bad or right or wrong.
	And it means that I can just do whatever the hell I like and you don't get to criticize me.
	And so there were lots of people responding to this.
	You can imagine what the quote tweets were like.
	Here's one quote tweet from Mike Graham.
	Absolute banger.
	I'm uncomfortable with rapism, he says in response to this.
	I've been a bit rude.
	I was rude to Mike Graham.
	I've been rude to Mike Graham.
	This is a banger.
	He's far from all bad.
	Yeah, that's a banger.
	I mean, I don't even know if Mike understands what he's saying here.
	I'm sure he does.
	I'm sure he does.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But this is...
	This is a spicy tweet.
	Anyway, so, 28,000 likes on that, Mike.
	That's a 2,800.
	Yeah, done quite well.
	That's done pretty well there, Mike.
	That's funny.
	Anyway, moving on.
	So, Dan Adnan, I can't pronounce these names, says, well, look, frankly, I find it quite sinister that you invest so much time in energy, Christians, and Muslims.
	Very sinister, in fact, given your position and influence.
	It's like, well, I guess Rupert just doesn't want to encourage what...
	What comes with Pakistani blasphemy laws, right?
	Because what comes with Pakistani blasphemy laws is lynch mobs.
	Someone, I mean, this is only from 2024.
	This is only from last year, right?
	But there are loads and loads of these where someone gets accused of burning a Quran and then a mob in Pakistan breaks into the police station, drags the guy out and stones him to death in the street.
	Yeah, no, I find that sinister, actually.
	I find that pretty damn sinister.
	Given your position of influence, why you would want this logical consequence of your home country to come to British shores?
	I don't want this.
	What we even see in some places in England, on a very, very small scale, but it's the kernel of something which will grow, is sort of a type of sharia law on the streets.
	I've seen clips.
	In places like Leeds and London or wherever, Bradford, where there's like morality, Islamic morality police on the street, and they're asking women, why isn't your head covered?
	You're in a Muslim area.
	Stuff like that.
	And yeah, this is just obviously much, much, much more extreme.
	One of the most harrowing videos, I don't watch gore or snuff.
	I actively...
	I've seen a bit in my time.
	Sometimes they come across your timeline.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But one of the worst ones I remember seeing is there was some woman, I think she was either in Afghanistan or Iraq, and the local guy at the mosque had accused her of something.
	She hadn't actually done it.
	Oh, the accusation.
	She'd just been accused of something.
	And, yeah, she was stoned.
	And it was horror.
	It was real horror.
	Well, I mean, that's what's...
	And, yeah, that is a logical end point of what Adan Hussein is advocating for, isn't it?
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But what's interesting is the guy had been arrested because, of course, blasphemy laws in Pakistan.
	The police went and arrested him, but the mob just broke into the police station anyway, dragged him out to the street and killed him.
	It's like, okay, that's some...
	Apparently that is not worthy of criticism to Adan Hussein.
	Rupert Lowe saying, you know, maybe we shouldn't...
	Criminalise this.
	That's sinister.
	That's sinister.
	Even though that will directly lead to that.
	And in fact, this is the consequence of what he's asking for.
	So Rupert responded to this just saying, quote, Almost every politician is too frightened to utter a single criticism of Islam.
	I'm not.
	That's not Sinister Adnan.
	I can't pronounce his name.
	It's necessary.
	And so what Rupert did in response is table a motion to defend freedom of speech in Parliament.
	He's including the right to reject, mock or criticise religious ideas, Islam included.
	Britain must never return to blasphemy laws.
	I urge every MP who believes in free expression to support my motion.
	And actually some Tory MPs did support it.
	You've got Charlie Dewhurst here who supports this.
	You've got Bradley Thomas who supports this.
	And Peter Bedford, who supports this.
	So, there are still some good Conservative MPs.
	Now, what party isn't Rupert supporting this?
	Did you see what Rupert's put out?
	It's against blasphemy laws.
	Do you think maybe reform could be against blasphemy laws?
	Maybe?
	Did they not?
	No, nothing.
	Crickets.
	Or at least if they have.
	I haven't seen it.
	So it's just, okay, complete crickets.
	Because obviously Rupert was just posting this on his timeline.
	This is who's supporting this.
	Great.
	So a couple of good Conservative MPs and zero as far as I've seen, correct me if I'm wrong, from Reform.
	Brilliant.
	Yeah.
	They kicked out the one ballsy MP they had, and now they're just going to do normal centrist, milquetoast things like allowing the blasphemy laws in Britain to continue.
	I just thought we'd end this on Christopher Hitchens' famous speech in 2009.
	This crossed my mind a number of times.
	I bet it did, yeah.
	This is very urgent business, ladies and gentlemen, I beseech you.
	Resist it while you still can, and before the right to complain is taken away from you, which will be the next thing.
	You will be told you can't complain.
	Because you're Islamophobic.
	The term is already being introduced into the culture, as if it was an accusation of race hatred, for example, or bigotry, whereas it's only the objection to the preachings of a very extreme and absolutist religion.
	Watch out for these symptoms.
	They are not just symptoms of surrender, very often ecumenically offered to you by men of God in other robes, Christian and Jewish and smarmy ecumenical.
	These are the ones who hold open the gates.
	For the barbarians.
	The barbarians never take a city till someone holds the gates open for them.
	And it's your own preachers who will do it for you, and your own multicultural authorities who will do it for you.
	Resist it while you can.
	So.
	So prophetic.
	We have arrived at the point that Christopher Tians prophesied, 16 years later, where we have now what are just...
	Effectively being used as blasphemy laws and Muslim MPs who are supporting these blasphemy laws and there's no great action being taken against them.
	Don't insult Islam.
	You'll go to jail.
	Let's read some comments.
	Britain isn't a Christian country, but we probably should be working on making it one, blasphemy laws included.
	I'll settle for a Christianophobia awareness month.
	Well, I mean, technically it kind of is, right?
	Because the king is still the head of the Church of England.
	Pat says, it's an epochs reunion.
	Carl, is there any topic you'd come back and do another epochs about?
	Lots, it's just, it's about time for me.
	You know, like, I'm just constantly doing things and I don't have time to do epochs.
	It's not that I didn't enjoy doing things, I love doing epochs.
	That's a random name says, I'm exhausted in having to live in such feminist societies.
	Nobody is allowed to do anything for fear of offending everyone.
	The real problem must be ignored like one giant longhouse.
	Yes.
	That was entirely what my segment was about yesterday.
	We must overthrow the den mother.
	I'm not joking.
	We must return to Perseus.
	Okay?
	We've got to be overthrowing the den mothers.
	Matt says, would it have been less of an issue if we'd wrapped the Koran and Union Jack before setting on fire?
	That'd be an interesting thing to find out.
	And that's a random name.
	Also, just the culture is representative of its people, so is the religion.
	Muslims treat every interaction as a smear on their honour.
	They lose their tempers over the smallest things.
	Exhausting.
	Yes, indeed.
	Is this not an unspoken revocation of the Act of Toleration of 1689?
	Yeah, that doubtless would have been superseded at some point during the 20th century.
	So for hundreds of years, it would have been...
	Completely acceptable and normal and a part of British legal culture.
	And then in the 1980s, someone would have done something about it.
	Lloyd George or Churchill, probably.
	Whoever, yeah.
	If Rupert Lowe said the sky was blue, Nigel would actually begin seeing the skies red.
	Yes, probably.
	Mass immigration, rape gangs, terrorist attacks, ethnic replacement, and the suppression of literally any peaceful opposition.
	Well, speaking of that, let's talk about what the future holds for us.
	I think it's time for us to have a frank conversation about the results of mass immigration, multiculturalism.
	We need to have a frank conversation about it.
	The type of conversation you won't get.
	From Channel 4 News, from Cathy Newman, from Laura Koenigsberg, from the BBC, from Jamie O 'Brien, Sangeeta Miska.
	But we can do it here at the Lotus Eaters.
	Yes, we can.
	It's a real world problem.
	The reality is butting up against the leftist narrative, the multicultural narrative.
	I mean, the question I want to talk about is the criticism that people like us get from the Yasmin Alabani Browns of this world is that the reason why we've got any problem with multiculturalism, why we talk about how demographics are destiny, why we're worried we might become a minority in our own ancestral homeland by 2050 or 2060 or whenever it is, the only reason why we care about that is it's just blind bigotry.
	It's just simply because we're racist.
	We can't stand to be near brown people.
	That's the reason why, according to them.
	And no, not at all.
	No.
	It's much, much more than that.
	It's much deeper than that.
	It spells...
	It leads the way...
	It's the thin end of the wedge towards horror.
	And people say...
	Even if it wasn't, though.
	Just a quick thing.
	Even if it wasn't...
	That's still not an argument for us to give up our patrimony.
	Sure, right.
	My children deserve to live in England.
	My grandchildren deserve to live in England.
	Even if the multicultural utopia came about, that's not what we should be passing down to them.
	A homogenous society with very low crime.
	Yeah, but the questions of statistics, I want to take off the table very quickly.
	We'll come back to them, because they are incredibly pressing.
	But I just want to make clear that I am in principle...
	Even if it could be shown that multiculturalism made crime go down, well, it doesn't matter, because metaphysically, we had a thing called England, and we should be passing the integrity of that across to future generations.
	You know, we inherited it in a really good condition when we were boys, and look at the state of it now.
	And that is something that has persisted for over a thousand years.
	And actually, it's deeply irresponsible of us to just give this away to foreign people.
	They don't deserve it.
	They didn't work for it.
	They didn't protect it.
	They didn't inherit it.
	Why are we just giving this away?
	And I would feel the same about any other country.
	If the Greeks started giving away Greece to whoever, I'd be like, this is yours.
	It's not theirs.
	You have a possessiveness about it that you, for some reason, have abandoned.
	So even if all of the reasons were correct, I still wouldn't agree.
	But like you're correctly pointing out...
	It ain't going to be the utopia.
	Because the nightmare future I worry about is one that's just sort of an endless string of sectarian, religious, racial, ethnic conflict that Britain turns into the Yugoslavia of the 1990s, or worse, turns into the South Africa of today.
	Or Lebanon.
	or Lebanon, or any number of examples, that that happens in Britain, because that's the trajectory we're on.
	Now again, our detractors, our political enemies will say, well that just speaks of something I don't like racial violence.
	Yeah, that I somehow want that to be.
	No, the absolute opposite.
	I'm trying to prevent that from happening.
	I remember describing this to someone once before, someone I know very well, and a few weeks later, there might be a religious war, an ethnic war.
	If this goes on, in the end, something like Yugoslavia.
	A few weeks later, they mentioned, oh, that race war you want.
	I was like, no, it's the opposite.
	It's the absolute opposite.
	I'm talking about this now because it's the nightmare I don't want.
	And the thing is, it looks like it's the nightmare that is rapidly approaching.
	I mean, we saw it in Leicester in 2022.
	Right.
	And this was just when it suddenly peaked on everyone's radars, where large gangs of Muslims and Hindus were stomping through the streets, attacking each other in each other's buildings.
	And, oh, India and Pakistan have gone to war now.
	Well, what's already happening?
	Protests outside their embassies.
	I'm sure it's going to stop there.
	And at the moment, it's basically just saber rattling between them.
	But if it gets more intense, I mean, who knows where it goes, right?
	Well, that example of Leicester from a couple of years ago now, that example is sort of a great example, but we have the low-level stuff all the time.
	How many times are there sort of small two, three, four, five-on-five machete fights in the street between various peoples that have got conflicts in their own land, and it spills out onto streets of Essex or Brighton or Bradford or whatever?
	I saw this headline that was...
	A bunch of Croydon men, who are, of course, African descent, African heritage men, who had burst into a cannabis farm that was run by Albanians with machetes.
	The thing is, the Albanians had guns.
	And this was in Croydon.
	The Albanians gunned them down.
	So, great.
	This is what the future of Britain looks like.
	Rule of thumb, never turn up to an Albanian gunfight with a machete.
	Basically, yes.
	That was the joke everyone was making.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's so obviously correct.
	But it's like, okay, but I don't want this.
	The lists are endless.
	You've got, like, Christian Nigerians fighting Muslim Nigerians.
	It's the endless, endless examples of this.
	So this is, sort of, the logical conclusion of this is where it just goes on and on and on until the...
	Native Brits are a tiny minority in their own countries.
	All the cities have been completely abandoned.
	You've got just rural pockets, rural enclaves of native Brits left.
	And they have to be guarded, gated communities like in South Africa.
	And it's just a hell...
	It's just a living hell.
	Yes.
	And moreover, you'll get the sort of South Africanisation of Britain in which it's not just the demographic change that will matter.
	It's going to be failing infrastructure.
	It's going to be failing services, failing power supplies.
	You'll get rolling blackouts.
	You'll get areas of the country that are maintained by British natives that work and the majority foreign population now around us will be envious of that.
	They'll be resentful.
	It's like, how is it you ended up on the magic soil that provides all the abundance?
	We need to get in there now to take advantage of that.
	And so there'll be constant attacks on these communities.
	As you're seeing at the moment with Orania, it's like, Orania, oh, it's a prosperous, homogenous, safe place.
	And it's being treated as if this is stealing prosperity.
	From the wider community in South Africa.
	It's saying, no, you could change your ways at any time, but you don't, and instead, you scapegoat this community.
	Yeah, yeah, I mean, you sort of kind of laid out the Gavin Bovee, aka Moskbuster, view of it, that when our cities are completely lost to foreign people...
	They'll become like Burbank.
	They become like a Bangladeshi city.
	Yeah.
	I mean, like Birmingham is just...
	Nothing works and it's a giant trash pile.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Just rubbish everywhere.
	And nothing works.
	All the infrastructure is gone.
	And like in South Africa, that just makes them even more resentful of our enclaves that do still function.
	Somehow we have stolen this from them.
	And people say, again, our enemies, you know, at LBC or whoever, or at the BBC or Channel 4, whatever it is, or Politics Joe.
	The cretins at politics, Jay.
	They will say, we're just being paranoid.
	That's not going to happen.
	You're being over the top.
	Why is it I can point to it in process?
	Why is it I can point to Birmingham right now?
	Like when, from LBC, Tom Swarwick went down to Birmingham trying to interview some people.
	So why do they think this happened?
	He couldn't find an Englishman.
	Obviously.
	They're all foreign.
	And none of them would speak to him?
	Probably because a lot of them didn't understand his language.
	And he was just, he looked despondent.
	He was just like, well.
	I don't know what to say.
	It's like, yeah.
	Yeah, thanks.
	Yeah.
	This is what you supported all of this time, right up until the point where you're looking around Birmingham going, why is this happening, bro?
	Well, one sort of symptom, or one small example, and it is only one example, is this that did the rounds the other day.
	Everyone from Paul Joseph Watson on down mentioning it.
	This is a tweet from Patrick Christie.
	It's incidentally my favourite.
	Oh, he's brilliant.
	He's actually based, I think.
	He is.
	I noticed that today he was tweeting, why are they here?
	In response to a bunch of stuff.
	And that's my line.
	I've been the one for the last two years.
	Why are they here?
	Why are they here?
	We need a reason that they're here.
	And it's filtered up to Patrick now, which is nice.
	Well, this one example, if you play this, Samson, or Kyle, if you do it.
	Just play it.
	Just the symbolism of it.
	Just the optics.
	Yeah, we don't need to hear the dreadful rap.
	You've got the St. George's flag in the background, you've got the nice English town, the green, the village green there.
	Can you imagine the little kids, not long ago, even when we were children, completely high-trust society, no violence, hardly any crime, almost an idyllic little village town, and...
	This guy.
	And this guy.
	No.
	Why is he here?
	Like, seriously, what is the reason that we have him here?
	Do we think he's contributing to the GDP, do we?
	I mean, I looked this up the other day.
	He's obviously Somalian.
	41% of Somalians are even literate in their own language.
	So, like, what percentage of them read and write English?
	Probably not very many.
	They're probably not going to be filling out the offices where we need workers to pay for pensions.
	I don't think these are the guys.
	You know?
	Well, I wonder what people that aren't already a bit based...
	Think, if and when they see this, what do they think?
	Like, does Ash Sarkar think this is winning?
	Is this what winning looks like, Ash?
	Okay, so for Ash Sarkar, yes, because she's got deep ethnic resentment against the English, right?
	So for Ash Sarkar, yes, having him here is winning.
	But it's not the Ash Sarkars of the world we need to persuade, right?
	It is the led by donkeys, right?
	What do they think?
	What does Ed Davey think?
	Yeah, what does the centrist dad think when he sees this?
	What does the IPA drinking, like, Bristolian, Think of this.
	Is this winning to you?
	Do you want more of this on your streets, or do you want less of this?
	What do the blue-haired volunteers care for Calais?
	Well, they're in favour of this.
	They probably would be.
	They've probably had sex with them.
	But yeah, as you say...
	No, I'm not even joking.
	Yeah, but the centrist dad types who actually don't want their society ruined.
	They actually don't want England annihilated at every possible level.
	Yes.
	But do still think of themselves as liberal or lefty.
	Politically correct.
	Or people that think that there's nothing particularly wrong with open borders and all that sort of thing.
	When they see this, then...
	Do you want him wandering near your schools?
	Or in the end, completely taking over that town, that little village, wherever it is.
	Is that what you want?
	Because that's what's going to happen.
	The people who are there will be like, I don't really want this.
	I'm going to move.
	And they'll move.
	And so the houses become free.
	The government will put in more people and literally replace the population there.
	And so this town will become another Birmingham.
	What good is that?
	Why did we do this?
	This is what you want.
	The trustees at Runnymede Trust, are you happy now?
	Again, I think they are actually happy.
	I think they're the wrong people.
	I think these people genuinely hate the English and want them destroyed, right?
	Nick Lowell's licking his lips.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Nick Lowell's thrilled.
	No point appealing to him.
	But to those...
	I don't think the Politics Joes guys are that bad.
	I think they...
	I mean, maybe they are, but I don't think they're entirely that bad.
	And I think it's those people who say, look, this is the future.
	Is this what you want for your own children?
	Is this what you want for my children?
	Is this what Ed Davey wants?
	Is this what any of them actually want?
	Because this is what they're getting.
	And this comes, like you were saying, with a whole host of problems.
	Ultimately, we end up going down the route of Lebanon, Yugoslavia, and South Africa.
	Why would that be good?
	What have you done here?
	Yeah.
	I mean, if we look at the example of Yugoslavia...
	In the 90s.
	You know, it's held together sort of during the Soviet period with Tito and stuff.
	Tito's extreme anti-nationalism, where he would literally criminalise any, persecute any amount of nationalistic sentiment, because that's how you keep that kind of empire together.
	And the second it falls apart, what happens?
	Boom!
	Breaks into highly parochial national states that go to war with one another.
	Yeah.
	So Yugoslavia is like the land of the South Slavs or whatever.
	Yeah, so once Tito died, it started falling apart.
	And by the 90s, just endless sectarian and religious and ethnic warfare broke down into Slovenia, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina.
	And what that meant is...
	And genocides.
	I was going to say.
	Genocidal pogroms.
	Oh, you've got a community of this type of people living in this area.
	Not anymore, you don't.
	Because we're going to come in and murder them all.
	And you think that won't happen in Britain?
	Because multiculturalism does not work.
	It's a pipe dream.
	It's a lie.
	It's a pipe dream.
	It has never worked.
	And multiculturalism is...
	Can only be the doctrine of empire as well.
	It's never, oh, look at all these cultures all equally hanging around together and having fun.
	No, what it is is it's one over-culture imposing its will on the rest and the rest essentially chafing under the yoke of it.
	And once that yoke is broken, they burst apart into their ethnic enclaves and then purge any of the strangers that are among them.
	I don't want this.
	I just don't know why we're creating the conditions for this in Britain.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think because there's two types of people.
	There's like the Ash Sarkars who actively want it.
	The Lisa Nandys who actually want it.
	I'm not sure if I go as far as to say Lisa Nandy wants it.
	Ash Sarkar does.
	I would.
	I don't know if Lisa Nandy will.
	I think Lisa Nandy might just be a moron.
	Because the thing is, I think a lot of the people who are in favour of this are just morons.
	Or loads of them will just refuse.
	Like our MP here, Heidi Alexander, will just refuse to address it.
	Yes.
	And that's the next thing I want to talk about, is that I asked, what do people think when they see that, or any example of that?
	Machete fights between two groups of foreigners on British streets.
	What do they think when they see it?
	Well, most of them will just refuse to address it.
	It's like it's not happening.
	It's like it's invisible to them.
	Out of sight, out of mind, Bo.
	Because they haven't got it.
	Like, the leftist people at Navarra or Politics Show, you know, they would be like, well, we just need more hate speech legislation and tax the rich.
	Yeah.
	That will fix it.
	If only they were given some of your money, they'd stop doing this.
	It's just, you know, they need youth clubs.
	If only you had more ping pong access to ping pong tables and pool tables.
	Yeah.
	They wouldn't be like this.
	Then the Pakistani gangs and the African gangs wouldn't be macheting each other in Birmingham.
	So their worldview is opposed, is at odds with reality, this reality.
	Yes.
	And this reality is orders of magnitude more powerful.
	Their worldview cannot win against it.
	It will not win against it.
	It's just how far down that road of horror do we go?
	That's all.
	And honestly, this is the question the young people need to answer, right?
	So notice that all of the people we're talking about were kind of brought up in the safe, homogenous, and controlled environment of the early 2000s, right?
	So during the sort of Blairite years where Britain was prospering, we were still something like, you know, 95% British, and everything was normal, right?
	We had inherited the long build-up of social capital.
	Over generations, over two, three hundred years, where we've created the modern world, provided for ourselves a very safe place, and then we end up having these discussions in the early 2000s where nothing really matters.
	Because one of the things about early 2000s culture that is very apparent in this day and age is how naff it was.
	It's just naff.
	It's the in-betweeners, right?
	Where everything's frivolous because you live on a middle-class estate and nothing ever happens here.
	There's never any crime here because all of the people around, They're normal, right?
	And so, you know, you've known them for years.
	Then, of course, they don't commit crimes.
	They wouldn't even think about stealing from a shop or something, let alone any kind of serious violent crime.
	And so everything becomes, like, Inbetweeners is like the last corner, the capstone of this, where it's like, it's just naff for naff's sake, and everything's naff, everything's crap, and everything's just non-serious.
	And that world is changing, right?
	So the sort of Ed Davey...
	Appealing to that constituency can prat around.
	He can go on, like, water slides and ice skating or whatever, you know, stupid things he does because he's appealing to the early 2000s consensus people.
	Yeah, we're in the end of history.
	We're the Blairites.
	We're just going to do the right things, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	And for him, he can prat around because his constituency lives...
	In a fairly nice area.
	They've got a fairly good job.
	They probably earn about 60k a year, something like that.
	They've got quite a nice house.
	Their wife has also a job probably about 50-60k a year.
	They've got degrees.
	Their kids are going to a nice school.
	None of this is their problem, but it is definitely going to come for them.
	Oh yeah.
	It's in the mail.
	It's on its way, you know.
	Coming to a tiny village near you.
	Yeah, and this is why I hate the Stuart Lees of the world.
	I did a video yesterday talking about, you know, you can't even say you're English or you get locked up.
	And it's like, yeah, but that was in 2009.
	But what's the guy saying there?
	What he's saying is, I feel the country has been taken away from me.
	And I feel that I'm the second class citizen.
	And look at it now.
	Like, yeah, no, we are actively the second-class citizens now.
	And so Stuart being like, oh, and being so sarcastic about it, because he and his middle-class bubble, I'm doing well, I don't have any of these problems, so I can pour condescension on you for being worried about something that's on its way, that's coming down the pipeline, and now here we are, and we're living with the reality of it.
	So young people really have to sit there and think, okay, but this is my future, right?
	Like, you know, I'm 45, I'm doing fine, I'm probably not getting machete guy down my street, at least not for a while.
	But if you're a young person and you can't really afford the rent, so you've got to live somewhere crappy and cheap and you're struggling to get jobs, well, this is your reality right now, right?
	And it's going to be your reality and it's going to get worse in the next 10, 20, 30 years.
	How long do you expect to be here?
	How long do you expect to live?
	You know, if you intended to live in England for your life, you've got 60 years of this and it's not going to get any better, so good luck.
	That's why I, we, many other people now, talk about re-migration.
	Just openly, unashamedly.
	Because it's that, or it's South Africa, Yugoslavia, hell.
	It's one or the other.
	Douglas Carswell on New Culture Forum just said it straight up.
	It's like, yeah, fine, call me a racist then.
	Because I'd much rather that than just watch England turn into South Africa.
	Yeah, I mean, whatever, you know, call me whatever you like, but why are these people here?
	I mean, and the thing is as well, there are some obvious candidates, like Sam Bidwell wrote a great article for The Telegraph the other day saying, look, the five-year indefinite leave-to-remain thing is an issue because the Boris wave, who just came as essentially total mercenaries, are going to be allowed to live here forever.
	In a couple of years' time.
	So we should really be thinking about revoking their visas and sending them home.
	Because Boris shouldn't have just allowed something like 6 million people from around the world just come during the COVID pandemic.
	Why did he allow this?
	Why was this done to us?
	They don't belong here.
	They haven't got a place here and they shouldn't be here.
	They should be sent home.
	And that's pretty straightforward.
	Like, why are they here?
	Haswell made another good point on that as well, saying there's nothing written in stone that you can't take people's...
	Passports away from them.
	We gave them to you so we can take them away.
	Exactly.
	Send you home.
	That can be done.
	Anything done by administrative fiat can be undone by administrative fiat.
	And one of the last arguments they always use, like Lucy Powell, is that it's just a dog whistle.
	By even mentioning, by even bringing this up and even mentioning the possibility of that nightmare future, that's just a dog whistle.
	That's just a far-right fantasy or something.
	A far-right nightmare.
	Yeah, it just speaks of our black hearts.
	Well, there we go.
	I mean, maybe I just care more about my children than I do this chap from Somalia.
	Right.
	And the thing that always annoys me most about this is as if...
	Sorry, they have countries of their own.
	That's where they came from.
	They came from their own country, and they've come here because we're going to give them free stuff.
	That's the reason they're here.
	It's kind of as simple as that, isn't it?
	It really is as simple as that.
	I mean, 71% of Somalis wouldn't be in social housing if that wasn't the case, right?
	And I'm signaling out Somalis just because that number was so high, but it's the same in, like, so many of them.
	You know, just, you know, they see the camera, and it's just like, why am I paying for half of, like, you know, Jamaicans to live in this country?
	On social housing, why are we doing this?
	What's the point of this?
	Why are we paying?
	I mean, why is any foreigner allowed access to any benefits?
	Why are we doing that?
	What would be the point?
	And the answer, honestly, is for them, for the left, is we're trying to uphold the universal doctrine of human rights.
	It's like, okay, I don't care about that.
	I care about the fact that you're ruining my country and I have to pay for it.
	I don't want to pay for this privilege.
	I would rather these people just get sent home where they came from.
	Which is, you know, where their original passport is from.
	And again, this is not like some sort of form of oppression.
	They were born and raised there.
	I mean, how old is this bloody guy?
	You know what I mean?
	How long has he been in Britain?
	You know what I mean?
	Like, probably not that long.
	He's probably 35 or something.
	He came here two years ago.
	He can just go back to where he came from.
	Yeah, no problem.
	Yeah, he'll just go back to, oh yeah, I had a workout in Britain.
	Well, not great.
	I got some benefits though, so here's some money.
	Who cares?
	Right?
	And so, yeah.
	It's also so that someone like Emily Thornberry or Lisa Nandy or whoever can gloat about it so that Tony Blair can confirm that he's rubbing our noses in diversity.
	I mean, nose fully rubbed at this point.
	Yeah, consider our nose is rubbed in it.
	You won on that score, Tone.
	Thanks a lot, buddy.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so I just feel like the question of remigration, mass remigration, the question of...
	I think it might be worth just emphasising what we mean here.
	It is desirable to incentivise these people to go home.
	Now, there are a lot...
	By hook or by crook?
	Sure.
	But I think taking a moderate approach is much more likely to be successful than a hardline approach.
	So I can see you wincing already, but...
	Well, no, it's just, again, how far down that road where there's tiny enclaves of native Brits and it's a nightmare.
	Yeah, but we've got to be in the position we're in, right?
	And so I think the...
	Because the Ed Davies of the world will not accept, you know...
	Deportation squads breaking into houses and just grabbing someone and then chucking them off cliffs of Dover or something, right?
	They're not going to accept that.
	But what I think they could accept is we're not going to give benefits to foreigners.
	That's the first step.
	No one who was born overseas will ever be eligible for benefits in Britain.
	Now, that's going to get millions of them to just pack up and leave.
	They will just say, yeah, well, I was here for the benefits, so I'm not going to stay.
	Hopefully.
	I absolutely would, because we're not going to be paying for them to live here.
	I'm not entirely, I mean, hopefully, but I'm just not entirely convinced of that, because even without benefits, living in a kind of crappy Birmingham is still way better than living in rural Bangladesh.
	You know what, you say that, but I don't think it's true, right?
	So I've seen videos of them literally saying, like, what they'll do is, in this TikTok video, put up a picture of their house in Birmingham, and then...
	A much nicer looking house in Pakistan or Bangladesh or wherever.
	And it's like, okay, why are you here?
	And the answer is remittances, right?
	They send money back home.
	So they're here specifically to extract wealth.
	And a lot of the time they do that through the benefit system.
	So the first thing, cut that off.
	And I bet you would see millions leave.
	I bet you would see millions leave.
	I absolutely agree.
	It's a good first step.
	Yeah.
	And the second step, illegals, right?
	Obviously, if you don't have a British passport, gone.
	Instantly, no questions asked.
	You just get...
	Just instantly deported.
	That's another million or so, at least, that's going to be deported.
	And so you can already see how, like, this would make the country feel much more livable just to begin with.
	And then you just end immigration.
	So you've always got a natural outflow of about 700,000 a year anyway.
	Gross zero.
	Yeah, yeah, gross zero.
	Not one more.
	Not one more.
	Whatever the problem you were trying to solve with immigration hasn't been solved, right?
	Otherwise you wouldn't need...
	We've got 15 million legal new immigrants here.
	If you had a problem solved, this isn't the way to do it, right?
	So that's absolute zero.
	So suddenly you've got 700,000 a year leaving just on their own noose.
	And we've also got millions leaving because we're denying them the reason that they were staying here anyway.
	And not one argument can be made for human rights.
	Nothing can be argued for that we don't owe foreigners benefits.
	We don't owe people access to the country.
	Illegal immigrants have got no right to be here, and already we've removed millions.
	So I think that is the best start to shift the public perception of how immigration should be handled without anyone being able to point the finger and saying, you've hurt someone.
	No, we haven't.
	We haven't done anything that we were obligated to do, and we got what we wanted.
	So that's what I would say is the best way to bring this into a real plausible and actionable position.
	I realise there are people further to the right who want to go harder on this.
	I just think these are...
	I'm trying to be practical.
	Sure.
	I just think these are honest and frank conversations which need to be had a lot more.
	Sign up to lotusseaters.com for £5 a month because you won't get this from Krishna and Guru Murphy.
	No.
	They just won't talk about it.
	They'll talk about why you can't get a dentist, why you can't get an operation, why you can't afford a house, why you can't get a school place.
	But they won't talk about why.
	That is.
	Because people need these things.
	Just we import a million new people, 10 million new people, but don't mention that.
	Don't talk about it.
	Well, it's got to be talked about, I'm afraid, because it's reality.
	And you can only ignore reality to a point with the best will in the world, with the biggest blinkers on in the world.
	You can only avoid it to a certain point.
	Without laboring the point, why do we want to ignore reality?
	Yeah.
	Why do we want...
	It's never, ever healthy.
	Never.
	Okay.
	Anyway, let's go to some comments.
	So...
	That's a random name.
	Says, nobody here is racist.
	We just want normal and stable and functional society where our children can prosper in a truly meritocratic system.
	Like we had before Tony Blair.
	That's all I want.
	You know, I just want the Britain we had before Tony Blair.
	Another thing I hate is when people, some people on Twitter, they say, oh, it's so cringe, like nostalgia, or looking backwards, or wishing it was still the 90s.
	That's so cringe.
	That's so pathetic.
	No, it's not.
	No.
	Not at all.
	No, no, I reject that, actually.
	We're going to recreate that country.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's fine.
	You know, it's just not going to be swamped with this guy.
	Because it was a wholesome and healthy country.
	I'm sorry.
	I lived through it.
	I know it was a good country full of good people who did the right thing and made a lot of money because they worked hard.
	And they weren't being constantly robbed by the goddamn government.
	Or robbed on the street.
	Or robbed on the street or anything else, right?
	But mostly robbed by the government.
	It was a good place to go back to and we will...
	Recreate it.
	Sigil says, but Carl and Bo, have you considered that the Third Worlders really, really want to come to our countries and have our stuff?
	I have, actually, which is why I've got a hardline position on this.
	That's why I don't want them to have it.
	And I think the blueprint for the future of this is Israel-Gaza.
	They'll come in, set up their own theocratic nation, get a big money backer, and slowly bomb you out over time.
	Honestly, I don't think these guys are capable of it.
	I don't think these guys are capable of it.
	I mean, it might happen, don't get me wrong.
	Interesting.
	You look at...
	What happened on 7-7, everyone knows that was a terrorist attack where a load of bombs went off, four different bombs went off in London.
	What most people seem to forget is on 21-7, the same year, 2005, another four bombers tried to do stuff and none of their bombs went off.
	Or only, like, the detonator went off.
	It wasn't a mass casualty event.
	So, yeah, if you're...
	It's actually...
	I understand.
	You need to actually understand it's not that easy to make those types of devices.
	But, yeah, they make a good point because Israel, Gaza, specifically Gaza, not even the West Bank, but specifically Gaza, yeah, that is the...
	That is...
	We talk about the thin end of the wedge or a path towards somewhere, some sort of nightmare destination.
	Yeah, that is taken...
	Have taken it to its...
	Its logical conclusions is something like that.
	I don't want that for England.
	I think we'll arrive much more likely in a South Africa slash Lebanon style situation where it's just literally warring communities in a failing state.
	I think that's more likely.
	Anyway, let's move on.
	So, it turns out that it wasn't the far right at all that was responsible for Southport.
	Oh, was it not?
	No.
	Oh.
	No.
	We'll get to why we know that.
	But before we do that, let's remind ourselves, back on 1st of August, 2024, what they were telling us about Southport.
	Now remember, we weren't allowed to speculate on the ethnicity or identity of the killer, but that's not what we're going to be focusing on here.
	What we're going to be focusing on is...
	The establishment's response to the people who were rioting.
	Now, I'm not for rioting.
	I'm not for people attacking hotels with people in and things like this, so I don't condone any of that.
	And this is Keir Starmer's response.
	So this is about a minute and a half long, but we're going to watch it because I want you to remember the tone of this.
	Let me now turn to the actions of a tiny, mindless minority in our society.
	Because in the aftermath of this attack...
	The community of Southport had to suffer twice.
	A gang of thugs got on trains and buses, went to a community that is not their own, a community grieving the most horrific tragedy, and then proceeded to throw bricks at police officers, police officers who just 24 hours earlier had been having to deal.
	With an attack on children in their community.
	Their community.
	And make no mistake, whether it's in Southport, London or Hartlepool, these people are showing our country exactly who they are.
	Mosques targeted because they're mosques.
	Flares thrown at the statue of Winston Churchill.
	A Nazi salute at the Cenotaph.
	And so I've just held a meeting with senior police and law enforcement leaders where we resolved to show who we are.
	A country that will not allow understandable fear to curdle into division and hate in our communities.
	And that will not permit, under any circumstances, a breakdown in law and order on our streets.
	Because let's be very clear about this.
	It's not protest.
	It's not legitimate.
	It's crime.
	Violent disorder.
	An assault on the rule of law and the execution of justice.
	And so on behalf of the British people who expect their values and their security to be upheld, we will put a stop to it.
	Thank you.
	Cheers.
	You can see how angry he is.
	At these foreign people to Southport, right?
	Now, look at the very...
	They got on a bus or a train.
	They weren't from Southport, and the poor people of Southport grieving the murder of these children, and the poor police who have just been dealing with the aftermath of this unbelievable attack, they then come under a second attack by a bunch of foreign infiltrators, interlopers, who get on buses, get on trains, come over and then cause trouble.
	And so it's a double weight.
	So they...
	Twice as guilty.
	And in fact, if anything, more guilty than the stabber because, you know, we didn't talk about him in this little speech, did we?
	We didn't have any information about him at this point.
	Nothing to talk about there, son.
	Even though he had Al-Qaeda terror manuals and he had racial animus repeatedly shown in his online statements against white people and the fact that Kian knew this by this point doesn't matter about that.
	The far-right thugs reacting to a slaughter of the innocents is the real problem.
	Again, you can see his absolute...
	The thing is, the tone of what he's saying.
	I mean, look at his face.
	He's furious with you.
	Furious that you dare do anything, you disgusting far-right invaders, is what he's saying.
	Probably working class as well.
	Definitely working class, actually.
	But anyway, so this is from the 4th of August, a couple of days later, because of course the riots carried on.
	And he's basically like, look...
	If you're all far-right and I'm going to kill you, is basically Keir Starmer's attitude.
	I utterly condemn the far-right thuggery we've seen this weekend.
	Be in no doubt, those that have participated in this violence will face the full force of the law.
	The police will be making arrests, individuals will be held on remand, charges will follow, and convictions will follow.
	I guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether directly or those whipping up this action online and then running away themselves.
	This is not protest.
	It is organised, violent thuggery.
	And it has no place on our streets or online.
	Right now, there are attacks happening on a hotel in Rotherham.
	Marauding gangs intent on law-breaking or worse.
	Windows smashed.
	Fire set ablaze.
	Residents and staff in absolute fear.
	There is no justification, none, for taking this action.
	And all right-minded people should be condemning this sort of violence.
	People in this country...
	Have a right to be safe.
	And yet, we've seen Muslim communities targeted.
	Attacks on mosques.
	Other minority communities singled out.
	Nazi salutes in the street.
	Attacks on the police.
	Wanton violence alongside racist rhetoric.
	So no, I won't shy away from calling it what it is.
	Far-right thuggery.
	To those who feel targeted because of the colour of your skin or your faith, I know how frightening this must be.
	I want you to know that this violent mob do not represent our country and we will bring them to justice.
	So you couldn't be more clear that he has ideologised this?
	Yeah, it's not the families of those little girls.
	No, it's not worried about their...
	Far-right infiltrators.
	They have an ideological position.
	They do Nazi salutes.
	And they're just intent on crime.
	And we, the British state, are going to crush you under our heel.
	And, by the way, if you're not white, if you're part of a minority community, don't worry.
	We're going to cuddle you.
	Make sure you're safe in the wake of a second-generation immigrant murdering a bunch of children.
	Everyone has the right to be safe.
	Apart from those.
	Apart from those families, apparently.
	That's too late, so forget about that now.
	Yeah, that was in the past.
	Basically.
	One of the things I find so obnoxious about this, other than just characterising normal people that are outraged by an atrocity as far-right thugs, is when he says directly, you will regret this.
	Talking directly to you.
	I would say to Keir Starmer, no, I guarantee you...
	That history will remember you as a traitor.
	This is 100% the point at which his popularity is cratered.
	This is exactly the wrong message because nobody felt that this was actually what it was being portrayed as.
	Far-right organizing tactics in Southport.
	Two nights of violent protests following a knife attack.
	BBC analysis of activity on mainstream social media and in smaller public groups shows a clear pattern of influences driving a message for people to gather for protests.
	But there is no single organizing force at work.
	Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, who uses the alias Tommy Robinson, which is when he says, you know, organize hatred and then run away, because Robinson was on holiday.
	He's focused on spreading his message on social media platforms where he has a sizable following.
	So they are almost directly accusing Tommy Robinson and various others from inciting riots, right?
	They've got such a boner for Tommy.
	It's mad.
	But he didn't do it.
	Yeah, and he wasn't even in the country or whatever.
	He wasn't like on Twitter, go out and riot and burn something.
	He didn't say that, right?
	And they don't say that he said it, but they kind of imply that that's what he was doing, right?
	BBC Verify, though.
	They're the absolute arbiters of truth.
	I mean, they lie a lot.
	Anyway, then you had Mark Rowley from the Met Police saying, yep, this was largely racially motivated thugs.
	And The Guardian reported about this three months ago.
	Key architect of riots after Southport was jailed for seven and a half years.
	So Andrew McIntyre made the mistake of almost all of them, which is pleading guilty.
	There was a champ in Wales who...
	Was accused and arrested and he pleaded non-guilty and was let go because he wasn't inciting riots.
	He wasn't inciting racial hatred.
	It's just any low-level social chatter, they were like, you, you, you, you, we've got you.
	And they were obviously, these are people who...
	For the most part, I think, probably hadn't ever seen a lawyer before, and they were just given the government lawyer and told, look, it'll just be easier if you say no.
	And it turns out that was not true, right?
	You got Lucy Connolly in jail for 31 months or something, because she said something that I don't personally view as incitement to violence, but she pleaded guilty, and boom, she's in jail for 31 months now.
	What Alexander Solzhenitsyn describes were called zeks, political prisoners.
	Yes.
	Simply guilty of wrong think or wrong speak.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	Boom.
	So Judge McIntyre, sorry, Senator McIntyre, Judge Fluitt, said the defendant was, quote, prominent among people responsible for spreading misinformation after the Southport attack.
	What was the crime?
	Did Nick Lowell spread misinformation about people throwing acid in the faces of Muslims or something?
	I can't remember what it was.
	What did he say?
	No, no, it was something like that, yeah.
	I can't remember the details of it.
	It was something, yeah, but he had said something that was just demonstrably false and he had to retract it.
	But the campaign group, speaking of Nick Lowell's Hope Not Hate, said afterwards that, quote, McIntyre was a leading organiser and key architect of the riots and the UK was a safer place because he was now in jail.
	That's not true.
	Anyway, we were obviously then subjected to massive amounts of propaganda.
	You had the counter-protest, the anti-hate marchers who faced down and confronted the far right because the media kind of ginned up their own response to this.
	The establishment ginned up their own foot soldiers on the streets.
	You may remember the ethnic protests that took place where you had armed Muslims and various other ethnic minorities just hanging around the streets.
	Do you remember the one where there's just a white English guy walking past the pub?
	And they were like, oh, it's a white English guy.
	And they beat him up, smashing him into the pub.
	They injured him really badly, didn't they?
	Yeah, they injured him really, really badly.
	And that was just a racial attack.
	He wasn't part of a protest.
	He was just walking past.
	He wasn't part of the protest, and yet that's what they did.
	And anyone brought to justice for that?
	Because that actually was a racially...
	Well, he was guilty of being white, wasn't he, really?
	That's the problem.
	You can't even say you're English anymore, you see?
	Isn't that right, Stuart Lee?
	God, I hate him so much.
	Anyway, you've got the...
	Obvious people who Charlotte was summarising.
	The propagandists on the left, Carol Vorderman, and the rest going Farage riots as if Farage had anything to do with this, really.
	The byline times led by donkeys, etc, etc.
	And we discussed all of this in our roundtable at the time, which is by far one of the best pieces of content on the website, so if you'd like to support us, go and watch that.
	The link will be in the description.
	Where we essentially presaged everything that this report So, this report has been done by His Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire and Rescue Services, which was established in 1856 to be the senior institution in policing.
	So, a venerable and august body.
	I mean, it's literally the body that polices the police.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Okay, what did they say?
	It's second only to the Home Office in authority.
	I guess we'll have to just take what they say as read, because they've spent all of this time investigating, and we have an inspection of the police response to the disorder.
	So they've done a very thorough inspection.
	So I'm just going to quote verbatim from it.
	Quote, During our inspection, we found no conclusive or compelling evidence that the 2024 disorder was deliberately premeditated and coordinated by any specific group or network.
	Most people who took part in the disorder lived locally.
	Before the 2024 disorder, many of them hadn't been convicted of disorder-related offences.
	The police arrested 147 children during this, some of them as young as 11 years old, and the oldest person was 81, convicted for assault, apparently.
	81-year-old.
	The events that led to their arrests mainly involved public expressions of disaffection online and on the streets of UK towns and cities.
	So not assaulting the police, not calling for people to be killed, public expressions of disaffection.
	Oh.
	The murders of three young girls in Southport triggered these events.
	So it wasn't far-right ideology.
	They weren't far-right thugs?
	They did not bust themselves in.
	They weren't far-right, they were just local people who were really upset that this happened.
	Everything that Keir Starmer said, everything that Hope Not Hate said, everything the media said, all lies, according to this report.
	Well, that was going to be my next question.
	Was Keir Starmer merely mistaken, or was he proactively lying?
	Well, I think he's lying.
	Yeah, of course he was lying.
	But that's my opinion.
	They follow on and basically criticise the police response, saying, Police weren't competent.
	They weren't prepared.
	They weren't doing their job as their requirements suggested they should.
	But they did find that the police forces managed to arrest 1,804 people and 1,071 people were charged with criminal offences.
	And remember, as they said before, most involved public expressions of disaffection.
	So for you not being happy with how things are done, the crappy police force still can stamp you down.
	They still keep you under their heel.
	In other words, you're confronted with policemen, you scream something about those poor girls, and that's it.
	That's it.
	And there was one guy, I mean, there was one guy who was literally charged with waving his hand at the police.
	He was shaking a fist at them or something.
	They're like, right, him, boom, got it.
	It's like, okay.
	And they think that the heavy-handed actions of the police, quote, undoubtedly had a deterrent effect, so the police force managed to suppress the public.
	Brilliant.
	By being unjust.
	Slow hand clap.
	Well done.
	And the police were saying this back in December, as you can see here.
	Intelligence sharing within your own force area, but it works.
	I see people bent over backwards to help and support.
	Probably the one thing that I think does need a bit of reflection on is the narrative about what this was and what was going on.
	Because certainly in the early days I attended one or two national meetings and the conversation was about right-wing people.
	Maybe being whipped up, maybe a controlling mind, and this was about people travelling on trains, restricting travel because they were coming into areas and fermenting violence.
	That was not what I saw.
	The vast majority, in fact almost universally, everybody arrested in 169 arrests.
	They're all Teessiders.
	The furthest they hailed from was Darlington, which is probably 12 miles away, and they were people who lived in Teesside and who'd managed to extend their horizons to Darlington.
	So this wasn't people coming in from outside.
	And I think maybe in the early days of this disorder, you know, there's a lot of coverage in the media about what this was, but I think the disorder in each and every area was different, and it certainly didn't fit that narrative where it was happening for me.
	You'll notice that this is Mark Webster back in the home of...
	Home Affairs Committee.
	Chief Constable of Cleveland Police on the 10th of December talking about this.
	So it's not like this has been sat on...
	Not like they haven't known this for five months now.
	And it's just, again, he was saying at the time, their reports say this, everything that Keir Starmer said, everything the media said, everything the activists were saying, just lies.
	Ideological lies.
	Because what they were thinking is, oh, this must be our ideological enemies attempting some kind of uprising.
	And no, what the far right...
	What it means in this context is working class local people who are afraid and are not happy that this is able to happen to their children.
	That's what this is.
	And they pathologize this, ideologize this as far right and Keir Samu literally said, we're going to come for you.
	We are going to get you in jail.
	You're going to regret this.
	I will make sure you regret this.
	Guaranteed.
	And it's like, that is evil.
	Absolutely evil.
	These were grieving, wounded people.
	And most of them didn't even actually commit what I would consider to be a crime.
	You were shouting at police or voicing your dissatisfaction online, as the police report says.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, I don't think there should be a crime.
	And just because the establishment got freaked out because they have no control over the clients that they've brought into the country, and sometimes they'll just get stabby and go kill a child.
	That's no excuse.
	Absolutely no excuse.
	These are political prisoners.
	They all should be released.
	And Nigel Fry should have a commitment to that.
	We're going to make sure that we can get them out of jail.
	Like, I don't know what he can do, you know, and he probably can't do a presidential pardon or something, but, like, we should be doing something, right?
	We should be talking about this in some way.
	But anyway...
	I mean, it's interesting.
	A couple of quick points.
	The police intelligence gathering, what, you mean going on Facebook?
	Yeah.
	And Twitter?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	Telegram groups.
	Yeah.
	Stuff like this.
	Actually interviewing the people they've arrested.
	But no, you're absolutely right.
	What it is, is that...
	The multicultural experiment, the concept of open borders and globalisation, globalism and the diversities of strength, the net result of that at some point will be some kind of horror like what happened at Southport.
	And it's happened over there.
	It's not like Southport's the only one.
	And you are not allowed to react to it.
	You're not allowed.
	You cannot react to it.
	You don't look like a hangover.
	Nudge unit are in.
	They're working hard.
	The parents have already forgiven the murderers of their children.
	And by react to it, even just shouting on the street, those poor girls or something of that order, it's not allowed.
	The pressure cooker must be kept absolutely locked down.
	You are far right.
	Well, once again, as I said in our last segment, that will only work up to a point.
	Reality doesn't care about your failed ideology.
	In the end, in the final analysis.
	Let's go to the video comments.
	Colin also asks, just a quick thing, how long do we see someone charged with insulting Christianity?
	That will never happen.
	Christianity is coded as a white majority religion in this country.
	Islam is the brown minority religion, and that's how they perceive these things.
	Anyway, let's go.
	Hopefully there weren't too many black pills in today's podcast.
	Well, well.
	Well, I hope you all have a good weekend.
	And remember to visit Nye Mechworks on YouTube for all your real-life cyberpunk goodness.
	Unfortunately, there are lots of black pills.
	It was a very black-pilling one today, wasn't it?
	But these are the things that we have to deal with.
	These are the real aspects of our world.
	Like you say, reality just won't ignore it.
	All right, let's get to the next one.
	All right.
	All right.
	Give me the gorilla, man.
	Anytime, yeah, I'll first in line.
	I'll give it a go.
	Yeah, we almost certainly won't catch venereal disease of the gorilla, so you might only get your head crushed.
	Also, maintain my dignity.
	Right, yeah.
	I'll take the gorilla.
	Maybe I can talk him out a bit.
	Let's go to the next one.
	Sigma Sigma on the wall.
	Who's the skibliest of them all?
	It's you, yes, it's you.
	Top Sigma Andrew.
	I'm wishing you a very happy Skibli Chunga's birthday.
	I hate that Nigel does these cameos.
	I didn't know he did.
	You've not seen them?
	No, I don't.
	So there's a cycle cameo where you can pay like 100 quid or whatever.
	Get Nigel to say like a 30 second video message.
	Isn't he already a millionaire?
	Why is he doing that?
	That's the question, right?
	For chump change?
	Yeah, he makes quite a lot of money.
	He makes like 16 grand a month or something.
	Oh, right.
	Okay, still.
	But still.
	But you're making a million a year off GB News.
	You've got various other income streams.
	You really need to do Cameo.
	It's really undignified and so you get videos like that.
	I wouldn't do that.
	No, I wouldn't do that either.
	I don't do that now.
	I could use the money.
	I'm not doing that.
	That's embarrassing.
	Let's go to the next one.
	I can't wrap my head around Canada.
	Canada is a strange place.
	The majority of our territory is still untamed frontier, and the majority of our population are good-natured but tough roughnecks to match.
	And because of the population dispersal, we're still an extremely high-trust society.
	Most people still regard our state broadcaster, the CBC, as a source of divine objective truth.
	Keep in mind that the real damage to our country has only really been done since 2020, and the broader population is indeed starting to take notice, albeit ever so slowly.
	I get the feeling that most of the populations are quietly waiting for social permission to notice the terrors that have been inflicted upon us, and unfortunately it seems Trump has set that back by about 20 years.
	Wish us luck.
	I love this guy's video comments.
	I love watching people make stuff and spin up.
	I mean, he makes good points as well.
	We are wishing you luck.
	What he described there is very similar to our experience.
	It's very, very similar.
	I mean, our stuff goes back way worse than earlier than 2020, but what he said there is very similar to our plight.
	The thing that's so frustrating, so annoying, is the number of people still that only watch the BBC or Channel 4 News, only listen to Radio 4 or whatever, and they get their news.
	They think the BBC Verify is truly the arbiter of truth or whatever.
	And not exclusively, but largely of the older generation.
	And they will not accept a different paradigm to that.
	It's beyond frustrating.
	What can we do?
	The BBC tells you what's black and white, what's right and wrong, and that's the end of the story for them.
	Do you think the BBC are going to be featuring the Southport Report from the police?
	On, like, you know, their headline show.
	Yeah, I wonder what Mariana Spring makes of it.
	Yeah, exactly, but it's not going to be on the news.
	Yeah, they'll ignore it.
	It's not going to be on the news at 10. Breaking news.
	New police commission report reveals that the government was full of crap regarding the Southport, and they completely lied to it, and they're not going to do it.
	I highly doubt it.
	That's what we'll do on our flagship program, but, like, you know, that's the best we can do, isn't it?
	Let's go to the next one.
	Good morning, Lotus Eaters.
	Looks like my week got away from me.
	We're already at the weekend, and I'm talking about last weekend's trip.
	I plan to talk about an abridged history of the abandoned gold mining town here, Monte Cristo, but my research led me down time-consuming rabbit holes, so I'll have to save that story for a later date.
	I hope you all enjoyed the extra pictures, though, and that you had a great week so far.
	Have a nice weekend.
	Guy's amazing.
	Yeah, thank you very much.
	I appreciate that.
	It's a Sasquatch.
	It's a Sasquatch.
	I'm so jealous of people that live in beautiful wildernesses like that.
	If I had endless money, I'd have at least one property that was somewhere like that.
	For sure.
	I'd like to spend a lot of my life there.
	It's a summer holiday home, you know.
	Let's go to the next one.
	Hey Lotus Eaters, I'm reporting from Punei, India.
	This is the military's ancient and modern capital.
	Operation Sindor was launched last night from the city.
	We could hear the bombs in the F-16s going off last night.
	And to explain Sindor, it means like your husband.
	So when the terrorists killed the husbands, you cannot wear the Sindor anymore as a wife.
	So this was a revenge of the husbands operation, literally in Hindi.
	That's really interesting.
	It is, yeah, yeah.
	Thank you so much for sending us an actual report on the ground.
	Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that.
	Be our correspondent for Lotus Eaters India.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Finn says, I was born in Blackburn.
	It's not good there.
	I had a close friend who met with Prevent because he was beaten up for being edgy towards Islam.
	There was a shooting a few years ago between illegal car washes which killed an innocent law student.
	There are roughly equal portions Indian and Muslim which have been growing since the 70s.
	These descendants of the Raj origin administrators who Idi Amin expelled.
	Yeah, the Priti Patel types, you know.
	But I guess there's an ethnic conflict growing.
	I mean, you look at Sweden, for example, somewhere not as bad as Gaza or Yugoslavia in the 90s or South Africa, but it's not that far off.
	It's getting there.
	How would the state act if you burnt a Bible and a Koran?
	They'd arrest you for burning the Koran.
	It would be as simple as that, wouldn't it?
	Arizona Desert asks, how does one harass a religion?
	Only...
	Only the arcane tea readings of the Crown Prosecution Service can answer that, I'm afraid.
	You know, a logical straightforward...
	I mean, literally, the laws against harassment in this country are against people, right?
	Individuals can be harassed.
	People.
	An individual person can claim that they were harassed by another person or group based on certain actions.
	I've no idea what harassing a religion means.
	So, I mean, whatever, I guess.
	I have always thought that if you truly believed that your holy text was divinely given...
	I'm sure they all believe that.
	Well, yeah, that is the line, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	That is the line.
	That's every holy text ever.
	That's what makes it home.
	Right, right.
	Yeah, whether it's the Bible or whatever, it's the...
	Korah or whatever it is.
	Yeah.
	If you truly, truly believe that down to your core...
	It shouldn't make any difference to you whatsoever if someone else doesn't think it or disputes it or even burns the sort of physical text on a bit of paper.
	It wouldn't matter to you.
	Be like, that's nothing for me.
	To God?
	If anything, no, no, no.
	You'd have the Stuart Lee approach to it, actually.
	The sort of condescension snorting.
	Right, yeah.
	Oh, you're just one of those morons who doesn't realise this.
	Yeah.
	I'm embarrassed for you.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's about it.
	Exactly.
	If you truly believe it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I agree.
	Yeah, no, I think that's a good point.
	How embarrassing for you that you haven't noticed, you haven't realised the revelation, the truth.
	Yeah, and I'm just going to snort and put my nose in the air and wander off because you're so stupid.
	You're not worth my time.
	I'm just going to mock you.
	Roman Observer says, civilized, peaceful people having to live in gated, guarded communities away from major cities, trying to achieve self-sufficiency.
	Barbarians in the country, Middle Ages, castles are going to make a strong comeback.
	It will be something like that, to be honest.
	Fortified cities.
	And that's how the world used to be, is massive, fortified cities where the hinterland was Always open possibility to invasion.
	I mean, this is literally what the Sumerian cities were like.
	Worrying about Gutian barbarians coming down from the hills and killing people.
	So you would live in the city.
	Every morning you'd walk three miles or whatever to the field and start tilling the field.
	And then in the evening you'd walk back.
	You know, you can't live out there because the barbarians might come along and slaughter you.
	Like in medieval times, or even up to sort of the 18th, even into the 19th century, it was always a question of whether the roads are safe.
	Are the roads safe?
	From highwaymen, from robbers, from whatever.
	Marauding tribes of foreign barbarians.
	Yeah.
	We'll go back to that, and you have sort of, at one end of the spectrum, full-blown defensive positions, like a castle, or somewhere in between where a country house, a manor house, that is defendable.
	Yeah.
	I mean, they used to have literally walled inns where they had, like, guards and it was a safe place to spend the night when you're on the journey.
	This is what we'll have to end up returning to.
	If you're not within a walled city where everyone has to give up their weapons at the gate, by nightfall, you're in trouble.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Because the land isn't safe.
	Because it's full of barbarians.
	Yeah.
	Again, the Gutians are everywhere.
	North FC Zuma says, unfortunately, I think balkanisation is more likely than not at this point.
	We probably have about 40 years before the largest voting blocs are traditional and their children and that assumes we halt demographic replacement.
	I could easily see something else serious occurring from then.
	I mean, I don't think the predictions by 2050 or whatever it was predicted a million year net.
	I don't think they're predicting that.
	I think they're predicting net 300,000, something like that.
	So it's probably going to be sooner.
	It'll be even sooner, yeah.
	Yeah.
	But even then, it's likely to be in our lifetimes, though.
	We'll be old men, if we're lucky, and we'll see this.
	I do think, though, I still hold out hope.
	There's the whole, you can't vote your way out of this Lamao crew.
	I do think if there was a government with the political will to do it, we could deport.
	A very significant number of people, really quickly, if there was the will to do it.
	But in Britain, we're in actually kind of a privileged position, right?
	Because we don't have a hard constitution, a written constitution, that prevents us from doing anything, right?
	So in Germany, for example, when I went over to Germany, they were like, look, it's literally in the constitution that we're not allowed to do any of these things.
	I'm like, oh, we're going to have to change that.
	And they're like, good luck with that, right?
	And then I realised how privileged we were in Britain, because...
	Parliament is completely sovereign.
	If you get a government of like 350 people...
	And just like, okay, well now we can legislate that the sky is green, you know, because Parliament is literally the absolute sovereign when it comes to legislative power.
	So we're just going to, you know, take away the passports of all of these people and just kick them out of the country.
	We can absolutely do that at any point.
	You know, there's literally nothing that will be able to stop it.
	I mean, oh, there are laws.
	It's fine.
	We'll repeal all the laws.
	We'll repeal all of these laws that you'd use to stop us.
	And then they just have to go.
	You know, we could do...
	Anything.
	It's about political will, as you say.
	So, in many countries, maybe voting your way out of this isn't practical.
	But actually, in Britain, there is definitely a path that we could use to solve this using the democratic system.
	We just need 350, 400 unapologetic chads like Rupert Lowe.
	Yeah, yeah.
	How do we get 400 Rupert Lowe's in Parliament?
	That's the question, right?
	But, yeah, Chase says, That's a brilliant quote.
	A brilliant comment.
	Yeah, it's pretty bad.
	Geordie Sozman says, I actually think the murder of children is worse than the rioting in response to it.
	Yeah, the Norm Macdonald position.
	Morally deficient position, according to Keir Starmer.
	Michael says, the problem with the leftists is to either live apart from the working class or can afford to live in their own protected gated communities, or are scum.
	That is true.
	I think they're all scum, generally.
	Armed gated community for us.
	Hellhole favela for you.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah, that's exactly what they're thinking.
	Hector says, Bo, love your work here and your disposition is always a breath of fresh air.
	Chat has determined that we're going to turn your head into a kettlebell and call it a kettlebo.
	All the best.
	What?
	Okay.
	Aren't you attached to your head?
	For now.
	They can use it as a relic after I'm dead, I suppose.
	I don't mind.
	I suppose that doesn't matter, does it?
	Once I'm dead, I don't mind.
	The head of Bo looking down scornfully on...
	It's happening in the future.
	Like an actual shrine.
	Canis Familiaris, the common dog, says Nigel is doing it because he thinks one of the clips might just go viral and this will gain him more votes somehow.
	Maybe.
	I think he's doing it for the money.
	I honestly think he just does it for the money.
	I think he's just 16 grand a year.
	I can't leave that on the table.
	You could be enjoying your dotage.
	You're quite old at this point.
	Nigel, in your 60s, you don't need to be doing embarrassing Cameo clips?
	Or just, yeah, cultivating some gravitas.
	Yeah.
	Would be nice.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	And that's the issue.
	You want to be the next Prime Minister?
	Stop saying big chungus for money.
	Did he say skibbity?
	Yeah, stop saying skibbity for money.
	Anyway, we are out of time, but we'll be back in half an hour with Lads Hour.
	It's the most fun show we do all week, which is why we do it on a Friday afternoon, where we're going to discover just how girly we are, according to women.
	And the results aren't going to be good.
	They're not going to be good.
	I predict I'm going to lose.
	Bo's going to be probably second place.
	Dan's probably way ahead of everyone, the least girly.
	Stelios might be a bit girly too.
	It's going to be a bloodbath.
	Absolutely brutal.

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