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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1159

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	Hello and welcome to Podcasts for the Lotus Eaters, episode 1159, with myself, Lewis Bracknell.
	Hello.
	Stephen Wolfe.
	Hi there.
	How are you doing?
	Not done a segment with you before, Stephen, so I decided to be joined by you.
	Yeah, you're on the short straw.
	Not at all, not at all.
	And Lewis, for the 20th week in a row, I'm in awe of your beard.
	Oh, thank you very much.
	Thank you for being here.
	I appreciate it.
	It's still a work in progress.
	It's pretty impressive.
	And I should also mention, look at these we've had through.
	Oh, that's cool.
	These coasters.
	I've seen these.
	Fabulous.
	One of our supporters, very nice.
	And he even sent us this...
	Look at that.
	That's lovely.
	That box.
	Oh, that is cool.
	With...
	Yeah, whiskey, whiskey stones and whiskey glasses and the little emblem on it.
	This is cool as well.
	Dean, you have outdone yourself.
	Thank you very much, sir.
	I like the way they've done this, the lads hour as well.
	Yes, I've already swiped one of those at my desk.
	So, I mean, we are very lucky with our audience.
	They send us some excellent stuff.
	He's missed a trick.
	He just hasn't provided us the whiskey to taste right now.
	Yes, if you'd like to send us whiskey, send it to this address here.
	So this is...
	P.O. Box address, Lotus Eaters, P.O. Box 4354, Swindon.
	So if you'd like to send us some whiskey or anything else.
	Also, we occasionally get accused of taking money in the comments from places like Israel or Russia, which isn't true.
	But if you are a member of a hostile nation, you'd like to send us cash.
	Again, you can also use that P.O. Box there.
	If you are sending cash, I recommend you mark it to my attention.
	It's just easier for the admin reasons.
	So, yes.
	I can offer a bank account as well.
	Well, yes, we're very ready to be influenced.
	Nobody's chosen to done it.
	Oh, yes, and I should talk about what we're going to be talking about.
	We're going to be talking about the Indian-Pakistan War, and please take nothing from the fact that we're all here in green jackets.
	That was accidental.
	We are not coming out necessarily on the side of Pakistan.
	The Conservative deportation plan, I understand.
	Absolutely, yep.
	We're looking at how they are fighting back against reform and Labour.
	Right, OK.
	That's the Conservatives.
	Well, the Conservatives have promised deportation and sort of lower immigration for every election in my...
	I think 150 years now, probably.
	I'm not doing it.
	So maybe this time they mean it.
	Maybe?
	Yeah, we look forward to hearing.
	And you're going to tell us a bit about grooming games.
	Yes, the latest figures, 2009 to 2024, from West Yorkshire Police.
	So that should be, well, it's depressing, but very important.
	Right, OK, well, we get to all of that.
	So let's start with the Indian-Pakistan War.
	Something has happened.
	So this is an ongoing situation.
	I refer you here to the BBC News.
	Which I don't often like to go to, but they actually have people out there and Lotus Eaters News does not, unfortunately, have anyone on the ground.
	So we've got a live summary of events.
	I'll just talk you through the top points here.
	So tensions escalate after India launched missile strikes in Pakistan and Pakistan administered Kashmir.
	Pakistan say six locations were attacked and claims to have shot down five Indian jets.
	That's a lot.
	That's actually a lot.
	Not a few.
	I kind of take that one with a grain of salt.
	That's kind of big news.
	If that's true, if they've actually shot down five Indian jets, I did have a look on Indian news sites and they're disputing this.
	Yeah, of course.
	They would do, right?
	Yes.
	I wonder why Pakistan is making that claim.
	But okay, maybe more will have known.
	And they're not cheap.
	These fighter jets are not cheap.
	No, not at all.
	So, again, BlackRock are doing very well with their investment in the military areas with the number of wars going on.
	Yes, for the 50th year in a row, buy defence stocks.
	They always seem to do well, somehow.
	Soros is there somewhere.
	Probably.
	Lurking.
	Pakistan is saying 26 people have been killed and 46 injured by airstrikes, you know, blah, blah, blah, and various other bits that come in.
	So, you know, as you can imagine, with claims of planes being taken down, this is a highly fraught airspace.
	This is becoming a very dangerous region of the world.
	So planes are being redirected en masse out of this area because it is so dangerous.
	With the exception of Ethiopians Airline.
	One of their flights, they've just decided, sod it, no.
	We're going straight through.
	Presumably that's Captain Leroy Jenkins there.
	Leroy!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I remember that.
	Maybe Ethiopian Airlines don't pay overtime or something.
	Whatever it is, he's not slowing down.
	He's going straight through.
	He's not going to the airport that the MP suggested that they should have.
	I think he's going to Beijing that particular flight.
	Oh, there he is.
	Yeah, PKE.
	So he's in a hurry.
	Good for him.
	Mudad, who we had on the show a few days ago.
	Interestingly, his take when we discussed this before this sort of current round of escalations, his point was that the most likely outcome was some sort of limited skirmish because both sides will want to be able to say that they've done something.
	Of course.
	So it's probably going to be a bit of...
	Back and forwards, few airstrikes, few artillery barrages, and then it will probably settle down.
	That was his take.
	But it's not impossible.
	It does escalate further, and we just remind ourselves they both do have nuclear weapons, so it could be slightly unfortunate.
	But he was just making the point that if it is true that five Indian jets are being brought down, hugely embarrassing, kind of the cream of the crop of...
	Well, Indian society would go into a role like that.
	Yeah, I've got to think about when I was last in India, I actually stayed in Bombay and I was lucky enough to stay in the really fancy hotels there.
	Nothing to do with me and another story of how I managed to get in there, perhaps over the whiskey when it arrives.
	But I remember going down into the bar.
	And they had like a cocktail bar like I've never seen, not even in London.
	It was just like so flash.
	And it was filled with the kind of young, unbelievably mobile Indian elite paying something like 60 quid for like a gin and tonic.
	And these people were dripping with money, dripping with wealth.
	But the one thing about them is that it's very clear, other than the kind of Muslim wealth that's there with them.
	They hate Pakistan.
	And if anyone challenged their authority to be in control of the region, they were absolutely vehement that we will try and take out any leader that wasn't going to stand up for Indian interests, economically or military.
	Now, that was well over a decade ago.
	And I can imagine that you've got Modi, who's come in with this big, muscular strength of India, saying that we will make sure that we're seen as the top dog in the region.
	We will fight back.
	He bills himself as a Hindu nationalist, doesn't he?
	That's right.
	He's very much playing into that sort of sense.
	He plays into it.
	He's got the votes, but he's also got the elites, the money people, and those who are benefiting on the back of him, those who will benefit off the back of the free trade arrangement, for example.
	They're no different to the sort of people that are behind the Chinese, behind any political leader.
	We might even say Putin in that sense.
	They have the democracies, but they're the real power behind it.
	Losing five here is an embarrassment to them.
	He will have to really tread carefully about how he has a limited situation or a mini-conflict, unless he's going to lose the appeal of those people.
	people.
	Well, yes, and you can see how something that they might intend to go in with a limited series of border strikes, it could escalate if one side feels embarrassed or they feel they haven't acquitted themselves well enough.
	We've got here a map of the region.
	So there we go.
	We've got on the right-hand side, Indian-controlled Kashmir.
	On the left side, Pakistan-controlled Kashmir.
	We've got the line of control in red running down the middle.
	And as you can see, India has hit those, or is claiming to have hit those sites there.
	We do have some evidence of that.
	In fact, Samson, I'll let you do this one because I'll mess it up.
	But can you make that video go full screen and play that for us?
	So this is supposed to be a strike from last night.
	Pain
	There's a couple of strikes because you can see that one was already on fire before that second one came in.
	Yeah, and whatever it is, seven different areas they're claiming to have struck.
	Here we've got AP News.
	Now, they're running a sort of live blog on this as well.
	As you can see, you know, standing stuff is coming in.
	You know, China, Britain, you know, they're urging de-escalation and they're both saying, you know, they're prepared to help on both sides.
	But there was one bit that I wanted to put out of here, which was the bit about the plane.
	Let's see if I can find that.
	They keep adding stuff to this.
	So that...
	Where is it?
	Here we go.
	So this is the evidence so far, provided that planes have been downed.
	Now, that is apparently wreckage from an Indian jet.
	I mean, maybe people in the comments who know more about this than me can tell me if that actually is.
	It's certainly not proof of five Indian jets.
	So, yes, we will wait to see.
	You were going up and you just passed something about Russia on the AP on the right-hand side.
	Yes.
	I wonder what they said.
	They're doing what everybody else is doing, which is calling for de-escalation and peaceful solutions.
	It's fascinating because Russia and India do have a very close tie.
	It goes way back to the communist period and the post-communist period where...
	India were really supported during this period between Kashmir by the Russians, as it was.
	And they were given a huge amount of global...
	The globe was opposing India's expansion into this area, and only people that backed India were Russia.
	And that is why we've seen the Indians supporting Russia through the whole sanctions period.
	So I was interested to see how they're dealing with this, because they've spent some time trying to build friendly relationships with Pakistan as well.
	Yeah.
	So now they've also got to walk in a fine line.
	I mean, it exposes the tensions within BRICS, of course, because you've got, you know, you've got, well, obviously, Brazil, Russia, India, China within that sort of, that first cohort.
	China will back Pakistan.
	Russia will back India.
	Yep.
	And it's putting at the seams at that.
	And naturally, those countries shouldn't come together.
	But the last administration, Joe Biden, sort of did everything in their power to sort of push them together, which was perhaps a dangerous thing.
	And with the absence of that pressure, that US pressure, perhaps they will start to fracture again, I don't know.
	It's possible, because one of the key points of Trump is he wants to pull India away from China, and in doing so it's potentially that he can pull away from Russia.
	But there is such a level, as I say, both intellectually in India, to keep support with Russia.
	That's why they've been backing it.
	They may pull away from China, quite happy to see that as a competitive element for them, gain some ground economically.
	So this, once again, is part of the mass geopolitical change that I'm seeing being fought globally in different regions of the world at the moment.
	Yeah, quite so.
	The main thing I wanted to do in this segment, however, is focus on where some of the key battlegrounds that we need to focus on.
	So again, here we've got India down here on the right, we've got Pakistan on the left, and then we've got the disputed region of Kashmir up here.
	Both India and Pakistan lay claim to Kashmir in its entirety, and I think you can see the line of control along there.
	So the first major clash area that I wanted to focus on is...
	I might need to scroll along a bit.
	Ah, yes.
	Here we go, Birmingham.
	That was the first one I wanted to talk about.
	And actually, I've got a table here where I've put together some facts and figures on these.
	So I've got the city, Birmingham.
	Is now minority white British.
	White British only make up 48.7% of it.
	It is 6.1% Indian and it is 17% Pakistani.
	So, you know, we can expect some clashes here.
	There's already been clashes over Kashmir and various educational disputes.
	I mean, that one was more sort of focused around LGBTQ stuff, but the Indians tended to opt for the side of the British government on that one, and the Pakistanis, of course, went the other way.
	So that is one potential flashpoint.
	Birmingham, as we can see, you know, it's got a large and growing Pakistani and Indian population there.
	And I just want to play this video.
	I don't think we need sound on it, but there we go.
	I don't know if you can...
	So this is Birmingham.
	I don't know if you can see that, you know, some of the culture and sort of flavour of an Indian or Pakistani city is starting to emerge in the area.
	Perhaps we can go on.
	It's interesting because the first thing I thought of when I saw the news about India and Pakistan and how, you know, with jets and, you know, being bombed, the first thing I thought of was the concern or the risk of it spilling over into the streets of England.
	And that's the first thing I thought of.
	Yeah, but I mean, look at this.
	Going through Birmingham, going past a mosque, you know, multiple women there in their...
	In their headscarves.
	I mean, this is very much now a sort of monsoon region town.
	Yeah, it's interesting.
	It's pretty much like where I grew up alongside Levenjum, all the road that goes in from Stockport into Manchester.
	It's predominantly an Irish area.
	Now you would definitely say it's more Pakistan, perhaps a little bit of Bangladesh in there as well.
	The market that my mother used to work on selling shoes is now totally dominated by that culture and the people from that region.
	And so I see that.
	And even when I was going through Fulham for meetings recently, I was quite surprised how that too had changed so dramatically.
	Going up towards Fulham train station where it's beginning in mass pockets.
	Obviously, if you're a northerner like myself, you've clearly seen it in Bradford.
	You've clearly seen it in Burnley.
	You've clearly seen it in Oldham where you get these divisions.
	And I think it's very poignant in what you're saying about where the clashes could occur on this because they do clash.
	Even at universities, they clash.
	It wasn't so long ago in Leicester, I believe, there was a big clash between the two.
	I'm not sure if it was over.
	Well, funny you mention that.
	The next big area that I wanted to focus on was indeed Leicester.
	Let's go back to our table here.
	So Leicester, only 40% white British now.
	Huge Indian population, this one.
	This one is kind of reversed.
	22% Indian, just coming on 3%.
	And there were significant clashes in 2022, but a whole number of other ones as well.
	I think I've got some videos of that one.
	This was violent.
	Yes.
	Let's play the first 30 seconds or so of this with the sound on, please, Samson.
	Another me, science!
	Another me, science!
	This is what the Hindu rubs are doing!
	Ow!
	Sectarian violence on the streets of Leicester.
	It was the weekend of the Queen's funeral, and with many officers deployed to London, those left struggled to hold back the aggressors.
	It had started on Saturday, when a group of mainly Hindu men marched two and a half miles to the east of the city, which is predominantly Muslim.
	They've been provoking the Muslims outside the monsters.
	Let's kill the sound on that one.
	We can leave it playing in the background.
	But yeah, so what appears to have happened in this one, the way it's framed is that it was a violent confrontation over a cricket match.
	I don't believe that.
	The cricket match may have been the trigger, but clearly there are...
	Just a provocative sectarian sort of clash, really, over maybe it could be religious-related or some sort of...
	Ethnic conflict.
	I mean, it seems that way anyway.
	If they're travelling that...
	Amount of miles to go specifically to that town.
	So this is the thing.
	Perhaps, Stephen, you can tell us, being from the north, but my understanding is that these sort of flashpoint cities, they tend to segregate quite heavily.
	They tend to have areas, an area which is known as being a Pakistani area, an area that's known as an Indian area.
	Yeah, you don't really see to have a blend in between them at all.
	You look at Oldham, it's one side white, one side, you know, it's Pakistani.
	And it's very clear you know which area you're going to.
	Right.
	And also that's...
	Why you look at your map of cities where you see predominance of one nationality in one city compared to another because they all go towards where they feel more comfortable and safe and secure.
	But also one of the elements about it is economic.
	They know that they can get their businesses by renting out houses.
	So you get your property developers in that sector who rent out the houses to their own communities, the shops that get their own communities.
	Then they've built up a political power.
	Because they've got councillors that then can take a role in that particular council to get money for their area rather than another area.
	And that's what you've been seeing for a long time.
	Obviously, in the bigger Muslim cities now, they're saying, we're going to vote for our own political parties.
	That's not yet happened with the Indian communities.
	But generally what we see here is that will be a trigger point by something else.
	It might have been, for example, if you listen on the ground, I never did.
	Do a bit more research on that.
	You might find the reasons for it.
	But often they're connected to some incident between youths of each community.
	It might have been a girl that's been kind of overly touched by another member of another community.
	That's a safe bet in some of these places.
	Yeah, it might have been an argument in a shop.
	But as long as it's one of those guys from those areas, and don't forget also, we tend to think that the other nasty elements of our society, drugs, is not involved in this.
	Drugs is also involved.
	They want their share of the market to the white communities that they're selling it out to.
	Yeah.
	I mean, Leicester has a whole bunch of conflicts.
	This is, again, just one of many from end of last year.
	I've noticed, forgive me, I've noticed never wearing riot gear.
	Have you noticed that?
	Ah, good point.
	I've just noticed that.
	Every single one, they never wear riot gear.
	But then I've been to...
	I've covered stuff like the Southport riots, gone to some...
	I attended a bunch of protests for the COVID stuff.
	They were all in riot gear.
	Yeah, batons, ready, drawn.
	That's interesting.
	Why is it when it's a predominantly white British protest, are they in full riot gear?
	And when it's something else, they're not.
	I don't know.
	There must be an internal report, maybe, to...
	I'm just suggesting this, I don't know this for a fact, you know, so that it's not appeared to be threatening towards that social...
	The one thing I noticed from this particular video is on one side you've got, you know, a bunch of people waving Palestinian flags and they're basically left unmolested.
	Then some guy turns up with an English flag and he is promptly arrested.
	Yes.
	For whatever reason, for whatever reason that is.
	But, you know, Leicester, yeah, so we referred to it, what is described as the cricket riot, which obviously goes much deeper than that.
	It's because you've got two incompatible communities living within close area to each other.
	But the cricket match, as I understand, was the trigger point because a large group of Indians, after their win, basically marched through a Pakistani bit and then, you know, the Pakistanis responded with...
	Knives and broken bottles and all the rest of it, and the rioting commenced.
	And the police, who typically like to avoid this sort of situation, actually had to make 47 arrests in that.
	I must have hurt them.
	Yes.
	Community relations.
	Yeah, there we go.
	There's the guy with the English flag being led away.
	You'll notice all the Palestinian flags are being left unmolested for whatever reason.
	And I take your point about lack of riot gear as well.
	Every time, it seems to be.
	It seems to be that the right gear is used for the anti-lockdown, like you mentioned.
	Southport, and not just Southport, but all the protests that erupted from that particular happening.
	Just seem to have noticed that.
	And the next major clash point between...
	India and Pakistan, I'd like to point out, I think is...
	Here we go, Bradford.
	Bradford, yes.
	There we go, Bradford.
	What are they on my table?
	So Bradford.
	My goodness, Bradford is still majority white British.
	Only 55%, though.
	And this one is, again, back the other way.
	It's 2.6% Indian and 26% Pakistani.
	And they've already had Kashmir protests.
	I understand, Patrick, you can confirm this is true, that people in the north refer to Bradford as Bradistan.
	Some certainly do.
	The nice people remember it was called a Bradford.
	Right.
	Almost with a T in the old colloquial ways.
	But there is an element when you go up to Bradford where you particularly know that you're not in England anymore.
	And you're not really in Britain whatsoever.
	So I think that is a very poignant area.
	I remember looking at some of the stats on immigration and population at Bradford that's going into the Centre for Migration's population graph that we're building across the country and where we think that we'll see Britain turning into either a non-UK, non-white British kind of country and in which areas we will be dominant Islam.
	And Bradford is going to be at the core.
	Right, that's interesting.
	I mean, Birmingham and Leicester have already flipped as majority non-white British.
	But in terms of the religious side of things, you're going to see a growing pattern.
	And what's interesting about that, they're saying town city.
	I'm not sure whether that figure is actually...
	They try to broaden it out by taking the wider community of metropolitan Bradford.
	And that's the problem.
	It's actually when you start taking in particular regions or bring it down into lower, the kind of city as a whole, those numbers do explode a lot larger than what you're seeing now.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Bradford has hosted, you know, a whole bunch of riots.
	I mean, I've got a list here.
	1995 Bradford riots, 2001 Kashmir protests in 2019.
	And this is an area that could very likely flare up in the coming days.
	Just for balance, I also thought, wouldn't it be interesting to look for cities...
	Because if we've got cities in Britain, which are 25% Pakistani, 25% Indian, how many cities outside of Britain are that sort of percentage British?
	I didn't find any.
	The closest I could get is Benidorm.
	Ah, okay.
	Benidorm in Spain.
	That is apparently 17% British.
	17, right.
	So we do set up the occasional colony.
	Gibraltar?
	That doesn't count, does it?
	No, no, that's probably...
	I wonder if we'll get really upset over the battles between Scotland and ourselves over there.
	Yes.
	Whether we'll set up a colony because we lose football to the Spanish.
	Somewhere I can't see all the Benadorians coming out there with flags trying to smash up the local windows and shops because we've lost a football match.
	Yes, no, it seems unlikely to happen.
	I also thought I'd take a look and see, you know, are there any towns or cities in Pakistan which are becoming, you know, majority white British?
	Couldn't find any.
	Couldn't find any.
	Apparently, Mirapur is now 1% British.
	A city of 120,000.
	But the reason it's 1% British is because that's where a lot of the Pakistanis who have gained British citizenship go back to.
	So, Liverpool is now 1% British.
	Islamabad, if I narrow it down to white British, Islamabad is less than 0.01% white British because...
	What about across the rest of Europe?
	Is there an area where you would say that there is Pakistan versus India?
	Yeah, I don't know how many other European cities have decided to basically host that.
	What I do recognise is in lots of conversations I had in Turkey is the way that they're now clashing with Syria and where the Syrian refugees have gone into Germany, those communities are beginning to attack each other and start similar sorts of things based on ethnic divisions in their own countries.
	It does seem to be the way they work.
	If there's going to be a major conflict somewhere, we want to host it.
	A local version of it here as well.
	You know, the UK government is saying it's supporting both sides, but of course it has to because it's got both sides in the cities of England.
	Am I correct in saying that we supply both countries with foreign aid?
	Oh, most likely.
	I'd be shocked.
	I'd be surprised if we don't.
	Because I think we've basically helped India with their space program, essentially, with our foreign aid.
	Why not?
	And Pakistan as well, I believe we have.
	Interesting.
	The other option of this is it is perhaps quite possible that we're going to see another influx of refugees because, of course, we've got many, many thousands of Indian and Pakistani students in this country who can now claim refugee because their home is at war.
	Yes.
	Well, that can work for a while.
	I mean, our late stats we've got is looking at the asylum applications that have come across since 2000, we've got about 1.25 million that have applied for asylum.
	Top of the tree on that is Afghanistan.
	Then you've got Iran, Iraq, Somalia.
	But India has been growing as a number anyway.
	On asylum generally.
	I'll touch on that very briefly, I think.
	So, we don't know who's going to win in the Indian-Pakistan War, but we do know that Britain is going to lose.
	Yes.
	Right.
	Yes.
	With that, I guess we'd better move on to Conservative Deportation Plan.
	Right.
	I need a little thing on here where we're going.
	I'll take these off because these are any near-site glasses.
	Right, we've got here, I think this is my first one, isn't it?
	So the Conservatives are fighting back, fighting back on immigration against reform, and they're fighting back against immigration on Labour.
	And so last night I was sent the embargoed deportation bill.
	And what's funny is, obviously, normally you have a bill when you're in government.
	Yes.
	There you are.
	Think of immigration.
	Let's do a bill.
	But no, they're going to put a deportation bill, which is not their bill, in Parliament.
	Now, and they released it last night.
	Embargo till 10 o 'clock.
	Can't help but think that any point in the last 14 years when they were in government would have been the opportune time to put this forward, rather than just after they had left government.
	No, no, no.
	Don't buy logic to the application.
	Keep the campaign going, man.
	Yeah, yeah, keep it going.
	But, you know, it is fascinating.
	They've come out.
	They recognise how badly they've done in last week's election with reform.
	They can see that they're now in fourth and fifth place in several parts of the country.
	This is really beginning to worry.
	Even the lefties within the Conservative Party, or rather the Liberal Democrats, whatever we...
	Well, you say even the lefties in the Conservative Party is as if there is any other type of Conservative Party.
	Yeah, they're...
	No, I will say I have met several who are generally on our side of the line.
	I mean, Liz Truss was really, she was leader of the Lib Dems in Oxford, and now I wouldn't dare say that she just doesn't believe in what we're doing.
	Swayla Braveman definitely believes in what we're doing.
	And I think, to be fair to Robert, who I met a couple of times, I was very, very doubtful about him, and I think he's having some sort of Damascene conversion, because there are those within the Conservative Party who recognise that they've been wrecked since the...
	end of the 70s, the destruction of getting rid of Thatcher and the ideology that allowed the Heseltine And that growth of the EU supporting side to come through Emphasised by Cameron, who then flooded the kind of process of Conservative MPs with people like Caroline Noakes, who were perfectly happy being in the Green Party, you know, quite frankly, or the Labour Party, or any party there she could be getting power.
	It's definitely not a Conservative.
	And so this is where they are, with a smaller bunch of Conservatives in there, looking over at the Lib Dems on one side.
	And reform on the other.
	And this is a moment where the Conservatives recognise this is the possible death knell of them.
	200 years of history.
	So they've got to come out fighting.
	Well, they've managed to carve out a space, which is, you know, they kept on tacking to what they perceived to be the centre, but the centre is to the left anyway.
	And then they're being flanked on the right.
	So basically they've got this tiny central sliver.
	That's their support base.
	You know, what's the point of them?
	That is the point.
	That's where they're now facing this and the donors are telling them, the activists are telling them that there's just no appetite on the street for them.
	Last night I was talking to a kind of dyed-in-the-wool conservative who said, I will never vote for reform, business person.
	And in the local elections she said, I did.
	I voted for him because the guy was a businessman.
	He knows what we're doing in here, and the Liberal Democrat was just weedy, and I said, well, there's nothing strange about that, to be honest.
	The Greens were in there, but unfortunately the Liberal Democrat won in that particular part of Winchester.
	They will do.
	But that even to someone that I knew like that, who...
	Could never possibly vote for Farage's lot.
	Apoplectic about Farage.
	Can't stand it.
	She said, I'd love to have somebody who was not Farage running an authentic kind of populist right-wing party with conservative policies if it's just not Farage and that lot in reform.
	But I voted for him.
	That story you told, that was for the Winchester candidate, wasn't it?
	That's one of the Winchester seats that we're coming up with.
	Do you know who the former Winchester candidate for reform was?
	It was me.
	Was it?
	Yes.
	I got chucked out because I promoted a policy which later appeared on page three of the Reform Manifesto.
	Right.
	But because I'd got there earlier than Farage, that was unacceptable.
	Welcome to the club.
	I wanted something before Farage got it and then he wants to kick you out.
	We're now in the Rupert Club as well.
	I got booted out about a year out, well maybe a bit less than a year out from the election, so that must be whoever replaced me.
	Ah, okay.
	Alright.
	Well, I've not met him.
	Don't know anything about him.
	Just passing on the comments that the people learn.
	It's just intriguing to say that that slither is there you're talking about.
	And it's becoming more and more palpable across the country.
	Where would the donors want to vote?
	And we're seeing donations coming in.
	So they're coming to try and fight back.
	Now, to be fair on them, no one can draft up a bill like this just on the back of last week.
	It would have been to have to be in the process.
	So what I've done is I'll go through it just to say it was there.
	They've put in some big headlines.
	You know, we're looking at disapplying the Human Rights Act from all immigration related matters, doubling the residency requirements for indefinite leave to remain, new powers to revoke indefinite leave to remain.
	Again, interesting how Theresa May, Cameron have looked at that before.
	Tighter visa rules for partners and civil partners.
	I want to see the full lines on this because that's a really important part.
	If you want to control immigration, you've virtually got to stop partners and civil partners from coming in and their families as well.
	Visa sanctions from cooperative countries.
	Welcome to Trump land.
	You know, again, I talk about that later.
	Power to deport all foreign criminals.
	That's a nice little loophole.
	That was the thing that got me kicked out of reform.
	That line?
	Suggesting that, yeah.
	Ah, okay.
	One that they still haven't yet enacted, or have they actually put that in their policy?
	Well, they put it on page three of the manifesto, but you just can't get there too quickly.
	No, no, no, not at all.
	Interesting one.
	I have to admit, I missed this.
	I don't know whether I've seen it, is removing GDPR protections from foreign criminals and illegal migrants from weaponising privacy laws to dodge deportations.
	It's not an area of research that's come across.
	I've not seen it in any cases.
	I don't know how many or how big a factor it is, but it seems to be really relevant for them to want to put it into a deportation bill.
	And then, of course, the one that we've always been crying out for a long time is mandatory scientific age testing.
	Oh, yes.
	For children.
	That will end the beautiful memes, though, of people who turn up and claim to be 13 and they've got, you know, 14. Wrinkles.
	Beard like an eye.
	About to retire to Merpool.
	Yeah.
	Just once they got the pension.
	That's it.
	I'm less convinced by the GDPR protections, though, because, I mean, the myriad of human rights lawyers will just find some other angle and then that will be the thing.
	Well, I think that's one of the points I think we can have a quick chat about.
	I love the Chris Phelps line there.
	It's for months the Labour government has turned a blind eye to the crowds at our borders.
	Oh, really?
	As small boats crossings have increased.
	Are we forgetting the Boris wave?
	Yeah, legal immigration on Boris and illegal on that.
	So they then go on to a few notes for editors.
	And of course, you know, where we go, what's the reactions so far?
	This is the Independent.
	Tories to publish deportation bill as party hits out at Labour and Reform.
	I was looking for it.
	Were there going to be the big leftist argument?
	How awful and evil these people are?
	Nope.
	Quite balanced.
	Just actually saying what's in the paper.
	Interesting.
	The Sun came across.
	Tory migrant plan unveils deportation bill with sweeping curbs on both legal and illegal.
	So I'm looking there.
	Is there going to be some, like, massive right-wing Sun newspaper?
	Get them out.
	Deport, deport, deport.
	Nope.
	Just completely balanced when you read through it.
	Wow.
	The first element was the use of the word by the Daily Express radical plan.
	The deportation bill emerges in a bid to end the crisis.
	And they picked the binding annual cap.
	Well, I particularly don't understand why.
	That's not one of the most important parts in there.
	And then they run down through that.
	So I would have thought the benefits claim is much more important.
	Again, fairly muted across the press.
	You're not surely suggesting that the establishment is closing ranks to try and protect a key element of the establishment, are you?
	It might well be.
	Or I was thinking, is it because they just don't care?
	Are they just turning around and going, oh, it's just the Tories.
	It's like when a small dog acts viciously.
	You just don't really care.
	You sat there and your neighbour's little chihuahua is trying to bite your ankle off and when they're not looking you just, you know.
	Honestly, I have never done that, dog lovers.
	Look at me, that's a joke, by the way.
	No, but if the Conservative Party was a small dog, it would be right to be.
	So last night I kind of put out some kind of looking through them.
	To try a brief analysis for people, so for the centre.
	The bill disapplies the Human Rights Act from all immigration matters.
	I know they like to say migration, but actually the law is immigration.
	We don't have migration acts.
	It's immigration acts.
	And so what they're trying to say is that on the panel P of immigration, you've got immigration law, you've got immigration policy and procedure, so you have these huge packs of immigration policies and procedures that go into the Home Office, and you've got Home Office guidelines.
	So this is to disapply the Human Rights Act across the whole swathe of that.
	Fine.
	On paper, I would say, whoopee, brilliant.
	I'd love it.
	Bring it on.
	Only problem is that I have, as an immigration lawyer, is that all of the Human Rights Act is already embedded in our common law, and it's secured by our membership of the European Court of Human Rights.
	And the three factors that enable judges to make these decisions are the ECH or the HR.
	And the common law, which has embedded the decisions of the judges in previous immigration cases, you remove one of the three tiers, the two tiers still stand.
	So you're going to get the opportunity for immigration lawyers to say, fine, thanks very much, Tories, even if this was to come into law, we can still carry it.
	I also suspect a large amount of it doesn't even...
	We require the legal element of this.
	I mean, I'll give you an example.
	Back in my VC days, I'd caused to work with an Indian CEO we were doing something with, and we needed him to come and visit the UK for a period of about three weeks.
	And I basically had to write a letter to the Home Office to say, yeah, admit this guy.
	And I wrote, you know, we need him for about three weeks, you know, absolutely no more than a month.
	But he's provided that to the guy and he sent it off.
	Anyway, when he got here, he showed me his passport.
	He'd been given indefinite leave to remain.
	Yes.
	So just the bureaucratics and indefinite leave to remain is incredibly easy to then roll into full British citizenship later on.
	After five years.
	Yeah, after five years.
	So, you know, it's not...
	A lot of the times it doesn't even come down to having to rely on the law.
	If the Home Office is in favour, they will just basically let anyone in and they will upgrade them to the highest possible status that they're able to do, you know, permanent residency.
	Well, this is part of the research that I've got on showing the 1.2 million that have come in, is also looking at the asylum decisions.
	I mean, I waded through, I think it was 237,000 lines of Excel to try and draw it out and pull it into graphs and charts or the rest of it.
	I mean, some people were looking at it.
	How have you managed to do this?
	Hundreds and hundreds of hours just to pull this together.
	And one of the interesting aspects I've got is that when you look at indefinite leave to remain, the asylum application process, the ECHR process, are just literally about 15% of all decisions.
	I hear even the guys who come over on small boats, they're getting indefinitely.
	Yeah, that's enormous.
	That was Rishi Sunak.
	He just changed the procedures.
	But the vast majority of them are getting them on what we call discretionary.
	Nothing to do with any of them.
	And that discretionary element is what the government has allowed, embedded into the rules and procedures.
	So these people are not even, they might claim that they've come under asylum, or they might claim European, but they're being granted because there's been a policy shift to say, okay, well, if they look like it's not a bad job, and they look a bit okay, and they could be hurt or in pain, let them stay.
	And it's a policy decision.
	Yes.
	That's one of the ways you want to get rid of it if you want to get immigration matters.
	The thing is, it was a Conservative government who did that.
	Absolutely.
	It may have the gall to say in that report, oh, Labour's been turning a blind eye.
	Sadly, it was under Priti Patel, who I thought a lot more would actually occur, because the team that went in with their advisers are good people.
	But they were defeated, as I've been told, by the civil servants who pushed this through and didn't have Boris's backing.
	I mean, the same thing happens every election.
	The local Conservative comes and knocks on my door, and I cite the reasons why I'm furious with the Conservative Party.
	And they always say the same thing, which is, yes, I agree with you, but we're changing now.
	And it's like Charlie Brown with a football.
	You know, how many times are we going to let them do this to us?
	All the Conservative Party ever does is betray us.
	And I'm afraid that's what the public is now seeing.
	And I think they're going to struggle on this, is my end comments.
	I mean, we've got to just...
	I'll whip through these quickly because there's a couple more that I want to look at very interestingly.
	On the capital migration, I said, is just not workable at the moment and the format that they've got.
	It is possible.
	I did a fair, flexible, forward-thinking immigration paper straight after Brexit, how we could achieve 50,000 a year and still maintain nurses, doctors and care homes and still have a growing economy on the back of that.
	So it is possible.
	It is nice to see them wanting to increase the residency requirement for indefinite leave.
	To remain to ten years, that would be a good policy.
	I'd personally do the full Denmark and say you've got to have a lot longer and then we can remove it any time, but that's what they've done.
	Revoke indefinite leave if you become a burden to the UK.
	Those two are important to kick together if you're really going to have an effective policy.
	Visa sanctions on uncooperative countries, as I said, that's straight out of Stephen Miller's book in America on there.
	Again, for some reason I've messed up on there.
	Banning first cards from marriages from getting visas, they've got to get proof of that, first of all.
	Again, proof of two years of marriage before a visa is granted.
	The question for me on that is whether that now, if that was to actually come into place, how would it impact people who wanted to get married to someone from a different country?
	Across the land, because one of the things that they also do is the powers that they've increased is the fee for your spouse has now also got to be $37,800 a year that they earn, as well as your own.
	Oh, so it has to be a matching...
	Matching!
	Somehow you've got to have the capital or income.
	What if you earn 80 grand a year?
	Can you have a stay-at-home wife from Indonesia then?
	You could do.
	I'm not going to go down that line.
	I pick that one at random.
	Randomly pick it out.
	It could be an Italian.
	Yeah, it could be an Italian.
	Mama would get really upset.
	So we have that.
	I'm going to whip through the next one.
	So I've just said many of the powers that are considered to put through are ones that they've pushed for before.
	I've linked lots of links there.
	They've tried to suggest this in their own policies, and they've tried to suggest that they're now doing this as a new thing.
	And I think it's coming back.
	You've got to look at their page.
	This is where they're trying to...
	To move to rebuilding trust, our new immigration policy.
	After we betrayed you for 14 years and probably a lot longer.
	And I think what started, obviously, this was February 6th.
	They didn't update from last night, which I thought was fascinating.
	And then they go down to mention all the things in their bill.
	And then she has, I'm not sure whether we want to listen to Kemi talking about saying immigration is broken.
	We will fix it.
	Jim will fix it.
	Nigel will fix it, if you remember, on his campaign.
	To be perfectly blunt, I'll just make the meta point that we're in a period where immigration is the top issue and the Conservatives have chosen a first-generation Nigerian immigrant to represent them.
	I don't think that's necessarily the right optics that are going to succeed for them.
	No, I think they're caught in the idea that if you just get somebody of colour to the top of the tree and promote it, then that's all woke and DEI, all the rest of it.
	Personally speaking, I've met Kemi a few times.
	I think she's alright.
	She's a nice enough person.
	Yeah, but I have no expectation of being able to move to Nigeria and become the president of Nigeria.
	It simply wouldn't be acceptable the other way around.
	I've always had a great belief that unless you're born here, you can't...
	Become the leader of the country.
	I think that works for the United States, and I think it should be perfectly fine here, to be honest as well.
	But I seem to have an outdated view when it comes to much of politics on that.
	I think this, I'd like you just to listen briefly, if we could.
	So I've got it on here.
	We're saying if you commit a crime on our turf, you should be sent back.
	This is Matt Vickers.
	First time I've seen Matt Vickers coming out onto their promoted institutions.
	So what are you proposing, this deportation bill?
	Tell us what's involved in that and what's that about.
	So it's game-changing.
	We're saying, as we did in office, that if you come to this country illegally, you should be detained and you should be removed.
	We're saying that anybody who comes to this country should be subject to mandatory age verification, i.e.
	we should use whatever tech and science we've got to check what age these people are.
	But more than that...
	We're saying that if you commit a crime in this country, at the moment, if you commit a crime in this country, you've got to be sentenced to more than a year before you'll be deported.
	We're saying if you commit a crime on our turf, you should be sent back to wherever you came from.
	And the big problem with that has been the courts and the Human Rights Act.
	We're saying we should disapply the Human Rights Act when it comes to cases of deportation, when it comes to cases of immigration.
	The Human Rights Act shouldn't count.
	It should be about the law that's created in that place and it being served in the courts properly.
	So, kind of first time I've ever seen Matt come out.
	Again, he looks like he could be a pretty decent guy.
	Very good at repeating the lines in there.
	He'd probably do quite well if he moved over to reform in the north of England.
	But I don't believe him, and it's not enough.
	But that was the point.
	I was going to say, look at the demeanour.
	Look at the expression all there.
	There's no enthusiasm in there.
	It's like a defeated...
	It's like a sigh.
	It's like, I've got to go out and do this.
	We are doing this.
	Because it's easy to put this type of policy in play when you're in opposition.
	The one thing I do, I am a bit concerned about, on the topic of, obviously, immigration and proposing a lot of this stuff, there's obviously...
	The man who lurks behind all of this, Tony Blair, that always just seems to be lurking around, proposing things like digital ID.
	And that's something that really rubs me up the wrong way, because...
	If you implement that kind of policy with digital identification, identifying who's coming into the country, that can only be expanded.
	Absolutely.
	So we need to have some kind of safety protocols in order to not implement something that could diminish everyone else's freedom.
	And I argue this.
	They're doing that in Europe anyway.
	It's not stopped.
	Europe's a bigger group of countries.
	We have a much bigger set of borders.
	We have much more effective IDs for a long period of time.
	This is a farce.
	It's a pretend issue.
	It is more of a stalking horse to try and keep us in our boxes and control us in the future when they know things are going to get a lot worse.
	And the reactions, as you've seen today in your earlier part, is that we're going to get reactions on the streets over Kashmir between India and Pakistani communities.
	So that is an element of saying, let's get everybody IDs.
	We can check them.
	We've got your bank accounts.
	We know we could stop you having any money through digital ID.
	That just gets weaponised.
	Absolutely.
	I've got to the point where I want the policy to be you get deported unless you've got at least one British-born grandparent or you're married to somebody who qualifies because, I mean, all of these half measures and we're going to tinker around with ECHR and we're going to change this rule and we're going to make this allowance five years and ten years.
	You know, I've been hearing this for decades.
	Yeah.
	We have, and I think there's still some...
	Given the opportunity to sit down and review where we are now and have a little bit of time to create a sustainable policy for someone that's in charge, which is why I don't really feel that reform have got that intellect.
	That's Nigel Farage telling me right now that he has.
	Just ring you up, swear at you and hang up again.
	Sorry, Nigel.
	You can do one, mate.
	Do one.
	Anyway, sorry.
	Yeah, I'd just love to do that.
	I probably have actually said to Nigel, do one now.
	But, you know, if you look at where they are, it's unfortunate that I don't think reform have got the intellectual capability and capacity at the moment to create these policies.
	Even when they had something like the other day, which is pretty reasonable, and I'm writing a paper for, or rather a piece, for Lotus Eaters on how we can actually have tented communities legally within the UK.
	How it's acceptable under the UNHCR in IOM, how they allow those tentative communities for asylum seekers, it's perfectly acceptable.
	It's also part of European law in many ways.
	Well, other European countries do it.
	Obviously.
	Some of the more eastern ones, they don't put them in four-star hotels, they just put them in tents.
	That's right.
	Barbed wire around the outside.
	It's also part of European Union community policy as well.
	So I've started to put that out.
	Why get Andrea to go out and say it and then say, what on the telly?
	You're going to put them in tents.
	Well, why?
	Because they're bad people.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, because of boom, boom, boom.
	Get the facts out.
	The people love the facts.
	When you're watching our channel or some programs like that, when we put facts out, they're saying thank you very much because that enables them to talk about this rationally and sensibly and not be called racist xenophobia.
	They'll still get it, but then you back it with facts.
	Do that.
	Not reform.
	Reform doesn't have any quality people because it gets rid of them the moment they display inequality.
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, that's exactly why you're only going to get...
	People who really think that this is a chance for them just to get power if they hang on to the coattails.
	It's going to be Nigel Farage and a bunch of yes-men and women.
	So I've got this, and this is the reaction obviously by the people.
	The newspapers were one way, the Conservatives have said this, and this does not go far enough.
	Asylum system needs to be binned and completely rewritten.
	All international treaties and conventions at Capella's to enter, SOB stories need to go.
	And I do believe that.
	Actually, to be fair, I've recently heard some Labour MPs talking about the need to reform the ECHO and reform the UN Convention on Refugees because it's no longer fit for purpose.
	I believe that's the starting point, one of the three key tiers that a government has to deal with immigration.
	And Stephen Miller in the US is now looking at how they can affect UN convention rules, because obviously they don't have the ECHO, but they do have UN convention rules on asylum, and how we can look at international law first, national law second, deportations and deterrence third.
	And I think finally I was...
	I think was this.
	I was going to say, when you look at the way that we've done it, look at the way that you're here in the USA, they talk about Trump announces a self-deportation plan for illegals.
	You're given a plane ticket and a commercial flight as 1,000 stipend if you voluntarily leave.
	But if you're here illegally, self-deportation is best, say if it's the most cost-effective way to leave the United States to avoid arrest.
	He's opening up all these different prisons across the United States because he is going to arrest you if you're illegal and put you in.
	And you've got a message, take your ground and go.
	That is a policy that has ended up alongside the closing of the borders where you had 200,000 to 350,000 people coming over a month down to 6,000 in three months and all of them were detained and deported.
	End of the border crisis.
	It's entirely a functional about will.
	Will.
	Policies and procedures to protect yourself against the blob that will want to try and fight back, and then using all your skilled individuals.
	Skilled to be able to communicate that and effectuate that.
	Well, the vast difference between Trump and Farage is that Trump builds a team of talent around him.
	Absolutely.
	And Stephen Miller was there working when I first met him in 2014 at CPAC.
	A very important place to be if you really want to build where the ideas are coming from in the United States.
	And I met him first there along with Barry Bennett.
	And their immigration plans were being created then.
	We're not able to do it in the first term.
	Just carried on.
	He just trusted Stephen to do it.
	Worked with a bunch of others.
	Took a while, but they went through every legal area.
	They looked at the potential fightbacks that could come.
	A true strategy involves doing that.
	So there we are.
	Conservatives, if you really want to win, do as you say when you're in power, not when you're out, and actually have a plan that is genuine and works.
	Very good.
	Good thinking.
	Right, Lewis.
	Cheer us up with something lively.
	Shall I cheer you all up with some really lovely...
	What are you going to be talking about?
	Well, the grooming gangs are still a threat.
	Yes, unfortunately.
	And, you know, many politicians and people across the pond still believe that the topic of grooming gangs is a historic scandal as opposed to an ongoing...
	I think most of the members of our government believe it's a historic scandal.
	Indeed.
	Yes.
	Which couldn't be further from the truth.
	And in this segment, I wanted to present new data that was given to me and Connor Tomlinson, the former colleague of Lotus Eaters.
	I wanted to just show the new data to you guys and present it, break it all down, get your thoughts on it.
	And yes, so I was having a conversation over the phone not too long ago, the other day, and suddenly I get a ping message on one of my emails with all my tips.
	So anyone who wants to send in tips to the email, I just got an email.
	And I was having a look and it was like...
	Hi Lewis, good luck to what you do.
	Here are the latest figures from West Yorkshire Police, the data, involving five districts, which we'll go through in a bit, and...
	Showing the, from 2009 to 2024, a breakdown of the victims and the suspects, along with total cases, and broken down by ethnicity, which I was very, very surprised that the West Yorkshire Police actually did, considering West Yorkshire, as you know, involves Bradford, Kirklees, Leeds, all of these districts.
	So, but if we just remember, just quickly, I'm sure you guys remember one particular MP by the name of Ayyub Khan, who's a Member of Parliament, and said in a room full of constituents, with obviously the Pakistan flag behind him, shamefully claiming that the grooming gangs is a, quote, false right-wing narrative.
	We all remember that, don't we?
	Dog whistle.
	And it's a dog whistle as well.
	I mean, that was the position of the UK state for a long time.
	Not a fan of Nick Griffin, but bear in mind he went to jail for talking about the grooming gangs 15-20 years ago.
	He did.
	And like you mentioned, of course, recently we had a Labour MP, Lucy Powell, and when asked if she had watched the Groomed A National Scandal by Channel 4, she called it a dog whistle.
	I bet she's watched adolescence, though.
	Oh, and she probably asked me, have you watched it?
	A fictional story, you know, is brave and important, but a true story, you know, that's just a dog whistle.
	If they really want to see a proper programme across the schools, then they should be watching Groomed to give them the ideas of how to protect themselves from those who are going to come after them.
	Indeed.
	So here is the stats.
	So I'm going to just break it down.
	Are these the stats that were produced by the colleague using their data or the stats from West Yorkshire Police?
	Stats from West Yorkshire Police.
	And if I just go up...
	Oh no, okay, that's going to take a while.
	No, don't worry.
	So we'll just go through some of the...
	Yes, so there you go.
	So that's West Yorkshire Police as more proof.
	And if we go all the way back down...
	So I'm just going to break it down.
	So between 2009 and 2024, West Yorkshire Police recorded 7,100 grooming and CSE offences.
	These cases resulted in 7,121 victims and 5,508 named suspects.
	These crimes were flagged as CSE or classified under the offence code 88A sexual grooming, which criminalises adults who groom a child under the age of 16 with intent to commit a sexual offence.
	And if no sexual act occurs, in other words, this includes pre-abuse behaviours that are often...
	The beginning of a long-term exploitation.
	You had Bradford, which recorded the highest number of cases at 2,419 offences.
	That's 34.1% of the total.
	You have Leeds, followed with 1,601 cases, which is 22.5%.
	Kirkley's with 1,547, 21%.
	Wakefield had 803 at 11%.
	And Calderdale.
	730, that's 10.3%.
	Bradford, in particular, logged over 200 offences per year for multiple consecutive years, showing that, of course, this is not a historic issue, but an ongoing one.
	500 just this year alone.
	How can that be historic?
	How interesting that the places that you just mentioned also happen to be the places that were on my table in the first segment about areas with high Pakistani populations.
	They've actually provided the suspect by ethnicity, and I've broken this down into per capita.
	So I'm going to talk about the ethnic breakdown, but not by raw numbers, but by per capita.
	But it's used with the 2021 census.
	So that's all we can use at the minute, because we haven't received the latest census.
	So of course it could be just a bit higher, potentially lower.
	It would be meaningful.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So this is the most accurate we can get it.
	So it says Asian-Pakistani suspects totaled at 1,183, which is 21.5% of all suspects, but only around 10% of the population.
	That equates to 507.7 suspects per 100,000 people.
	Quote, other ethnic group, which includes Arab, Middle Eastern and Latin American, had the highest suspect rate at 530 per 100,000.
	Black Caribbean suspects, 459 per 100,000.
	Asian Bangladeshi at 408 per 100,000.
	White British suspects, despite being the largest group numerically at 2,454, had a much lower per capita rate at 155 per 100,000.
	White British children accounted for 3,960 victims or 55.6% 4,000 white British.
	Children victims.
	Extraordinary number.
	Out of the 7,000.
	But to put those previous numbers in perspective, the ones that you're going through, so that was...
	Is that for the population as a whole or the population of these cities?
	It's done by districts, sorry, so regions.
	So it would do by per 100,000.
	So in these regions, in a room of 100 Bangladeshis, you'd reasonably expect four of them to be involved in the grooming gangs.
	If it was Arab Middle East, you'd expect five of them.
	Correct.
	And if it was 100 white British guys, you'd expect one of them to be involved.
	Correct.
	And this is just the numbers, of course.
	I'm not trying to be incendiary or anything like that.
	Well, the numbers are incendiary.
	Indeed.
	It's not you that's making them.
	Indeed.
	Facts don't lie.
	They don't.
	Only those who ignore the facts lie.
	So going through, of course, the victims.
	So that's the fences.
	Sorry, so we've done that.
	So among the victims...
	Yes, like I said, white British children accounted for 3,960 victims, or 55.6% of all cases, but when adjusted for population, other black background victims at the highest rate, at 1,260 victims per 100,000.
	Mixed white and black Caribbean, which is 378 per 100,000.
	Other mixed backgrounds, 622 per 100,000.
	So, meaning...
	This is in per capita, so not raw data, what I'm saying.
	So while the white British children are the largest group affected in absolute terms, per capita in this particular, these five districts, mixed and black children are the most disproportionately vulnerable relative to their community.
	That's interesting.
	I hadn't heard that aspect of it.
	Yes.
	Which is...
	Per capita terms are only 124 victims, but...
	Sorry, in gross terms, 124 victims per capita.
	That's a huge number based on the mixed ethnic backgrounds in there.
	And then I accounted for quite a comparison side by side, white British versus all other.
	And despite being less than one third of the population, non-white British groups account for 55.5% of suspects and 44.4% of victims.
	That's 3.6 times higher the suspect rate and 2.3 times higher the victim rate among non-white British communities.
	Now, this gets quite...
	I don't know what the word is, but I'm going to read it out and see what you guys think.
	For charges versus offences, only 1,272 charges were brought across 7,100 offences.
	That's just 17.9%, meaning over four in five cases did not result in a charge.
	And that's charges.
	So we don't know about conviction rates.
	But that still seems quite low.
	17.9%.
	Well, it suggests that these numbers are massively underreported, if that's true.
	Yes.
	By a factor of five.
	It's really sad.
	And I think also, if you're looking at this, if this was rape cases where those charge levels were in the same levels, we'd be seeking to have changes.
	To the procedures, both in the CPS and in law, to enable us to be able to have more convictions.
	Policy at the policing community would also be asked to actually look at this and review this.
	So why hasn't that been done when these levels are so significantly different?
	Yes.
	Well, I mean, just going back to that underreported case, I mean, to put that into perspective, you were talking about close to 4,000 victims.
	For this particular area, if it's underreported to that degree, you're looking at closer to 20,000 within just one region.
	Now, maybe some of those cases are exaggerated or, you know, lied about, but I can't imagine that's a particularly high proportion of them.
	It gets worse.
	Obviously, trends over time.
	Offences exploded after 2013, peaking at 2017 and 2018, with over 800 cases per year, before slowly declining.
	However, like we said earlier, 2024 still saw 537 cases and only 34 charges.
	34 charges.
	That is nonsense.
	That is abysmal.
	And that's a stain on the prosecution, not the prosecution, but the police not bringing enough evidence for the prosecution to be able to charge.
	And I've also got to wonder how many people have lost faith in the system so absolutely they don't even bother reporting it.
	That's a possibility.
	So, I mean, it could be worse than five times underrepresented.
	Notice the bottom, the third from the bottom and the second from the bottom, not stated and not recorded.
	There's missing ethnicity data.
	It says 1,070 suspects had no ethnicity recorded.
	That's 19.4% of all suspects.
	And 2,461 victims were also missing this data.
	That's 34.6% of the total.
	Meaning there are incomplete reporting on...
	Ethnicity breakdowns by suspects and victims.
	I think in statistics terms that would be called statistically important differences.
	Because it obscures patterns.
	Statistically significant, I should say.
	I mean, yeah, I've written here, this incomplete reporting obscures patterns and undermines public transparency.
	So, just to go over the key takeaways.
	So, number one.
	Ethnic disproportionality among suspects is obviously real and significant when viewed per capita.
	Mixed and black children face the highest risk of victimisation relative to their community size.
	Bradford is the epicentre of grooming offences in this data set.
	Reminder that this is only five districts.
	Charges are rare.
	Fewer than one in five offences result in prosecution.
	And that's just with this particular data set from West Yorkshire Police.
	Rupert Lowe weighed in on this when I phoned Connor, because I obviously broke it all down.
	I phoned him and I said, I don't know.
	I was genuinely flabbergasted to what I was reading.
	And I said, I don't know what to do with this.
	I felt the weight of it.
	It was like, wow, this is insane.
	And he said, okay, well, let's work together and put it out.
	He'd done a really, really great thread on it with an article for Courage on it to get it out.
	And Rupert Lowe commented on it, saying, we need to start asking the really difficult questions.
	Why do men of these backgrounds have disproportionately higher offender rates?
	What is driving it?
	All reasons must be explored.
	Social, cultural, and yes, religious.
	Why are these communities not doing more to tackle the evil from within?
	I find it very difficult to believe that this mass rape has gone by virtually unnoticed.
	Why do Pakistani men believe it's acceptable to sexually torture white girls?
	Without understanding the motivation, we won't tackle the root cause.
	Difficult question.
	The answers, I suspect, will be even harder to digest.
	It's a conversation that is becoming more and more necessary.
	I mean, it's not just Pakistani men who believe this is acceptable.
	It's the rest of their families as well.
	And you can see this in court, you know, when the guilty sentence is a hand down.
	The rest of the family is there saying that they support them regardless.
	I'm just...
	It's the charges.
	It's the 17.9% Four in five cases did not result in a charge.
	I think they in themselves are shocking numbers.
	The numbers of victims are shocking.
	7,000.
	And as we looked at 500...
	Just this year alone.
	And that amounts to me as a need for a national investigation to look at not only those past cases and why councillors, social workers, police, politicians ignored it and why are they still in their jobs?
	Why have they not been prosecuted?
	Why have they not been shunned by society for actually being the cowards that they were at the time?
	And why, as a father of a daughter, I just get...
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Super angry about this.
	Yeah.
	And just, you know, you want to go out there and shake these people and say, why were you doing?
	Yeah.
	What were you doing?
	How can you dare look at that?
	And I remember reading, just watching only the other day, the chief constable of West Yorkshire turning around and saying, we all thought this was sexual prostitution of five and six and seven year olds.
	I mean, why are you still in a job?
	What's wrong with you, man?
	To even think about that.
	Yeah.
	What brings you as a human being?
	To sit at the desk and have this passed on to you and say, I have a seven-year-old girl being abused in this way, and you say, it's sexual prostitution.
	But I'll ignore it.
	And yet, if you put a sticker up with a right-wing slogan, the laser eyes will come out and they'll be down on you like a ton of bricks.
	That's right.
	I just don't understand how, when he goes to the pub or he gets in a restaurant, people are not looking at him and turning their backs and not even wanting to converse with that person.
	We're a nation run by traitors, I'd imagine.
	And I find that difficult to understand, first as a human.
	How I would even think in those terms without saying my first gut reaction is to protect those children at all costs.
	And I don't care about the ethnicity, culture, age of the man or woman that's involved in this.
	Whoever they are, go for them, because that's the right thing to do.
	Absolutely.
	And I don't understand politicians like Lucy Powell just turning around.
	I understand for political reasons, but morally...
	I know.
	Yeah.
	I just call it a dog whistle.
	A dog whistle, that?
	But even, you know, interestingly...
	Where has our humanity gone?
	Interestingly, a lot of the, you know, centre-left and even some, you know, further are...
	actually came out and, you know, scorned her for it.
	Even I read Aaron Bastani was scorning her for it, saying, that's completely out of touch.
	You know, what are you doing?
	Like, you know, do you even know how to do politics?
	You know, Labour.
	And it's...
	Yeah, I think the Overton window has shifted a lot with the conversation, which is good.
	Apologies.
	It is depressing.
	Very, very depressing.
	But it's incredibly important.
	Rupert is raising seriously important questions that need to be asked.
	I mean, clearly we had a scandal within the Catholic Church which needed to be dealt with, particularly in Ireland, for example.
	And that took communities to really recognise that it was not just the priests that were involved in the cover-up, but there were, again, social workers, police officers, council workers, politicians hiding this.
	And they've come to that conclusion.
	Now it has.
	Led to a massive destruction of belief towards the Catholic Church in Ireland in many ways.
	And they're going to have to take some time to recover.
	But it was the right thing to do to address this.
	Less people were put in prison.
	Again, the same sort of thing.
	The establishment avoided any culpability.
	And that, again, is a shameful part, I believe, don't you think?
	It's a shameful part of our society that the elites can avoid culpability on this.
	Just coming back on the Lucy Powell question, I decided to look it up as to why is she behaving in this way.
	Well, she has a rapidly reducing majority in her constituency of Manchester Central against the Islamic candidate Uka.
	Ranu, I think.
	Oh, okay.
	So, you know, basically, if she upsets the Islamists too much, well, she's not going to be an MP anymore, so that's probably why she's made a piece of this.
	But I talked, you know, yesterday, I think, and I showed the background of Lucy Powell.
	She is part of the hierarchy, the royalty of Manchester Labour politics.
	Her father was deeply involved in the Labour Party.
	A mum and two aunts were headmistresses in schools.
	At the age of 23, having just left university, she was immediately sent to Labour Party's central office at Milbank to work in the campaign for Tony Blair.
	From there, she was then given an ability to go and work as an assistant for a Labour MP in Manchester.
	She's one of the youngest private councillors ever to have been selected as a woman.
	And all her journey has been...
	Pretty mapped out from the days that her and her family decided that she was going to be involved in politics and become a Labour MP.
	So even if she loses that seat, I think they'll find somewhere else for her or they'll elevate her to the House of Lords because that's the journey for her.
	And then they'll try and keep her.
	But it still does not deflect that she's losing that seat.
	How is a human being?
	What sort of human being are you?
	Yeah, just to cling on to some power.
	Yeah, you will actually throw children under this kind of political bus.
	That's the disgrace.
	That's the disgust.
	That's why we're feeling such ignominy towards her.
	And why we get ignominy towards these individuals in power of allowing, even today, 500 girls to be abused in earthly areas.
	I need to make just one little correction.
	And it was about...
	The breakdowns for the five regions rather than just national figures.
	So this FOI from West Yorkshire Police provided suspect and victim data by ethnicity in total, but not broken down by district.
	So, while we know how many offences occurred in Bradford, Leeds, etc., we don't know how many suspects or victims from each ethnic group were identified in each area.
	As for population data, the 2021 census does not give ethnic group estimates by district, but in many cases it groups all white categories together, either white Irish, white other, white British, making it literally impossible to isolate White-British cleanly across all five districts to get a proper number.
	Only Bradford, for example, breaks out White-British separately.
	So to maintain consistency and accuracy, we used West Yorkshire-wide totals for both the FOI and the census data when calculating per capita rates, ensuring...
	Sure.
	So that's just for extra context.
	But you can definitely read the breakdown in a lot more detail.
	Connor did the breakdown as well, written for Courage Media, Damian New Day to Disproves Labour's Grooming Gang narrative.
	If, And of course I did a video on it as well if you prefer to watch the video or we've just done it here.
	So there you have it.
	And you can also find all the links in the show notes if you want to sleuth through it yourself with the FOI there.
	You can go and find that there.
	I think you've got to be commended for the work that you've done.
	I know this must be kind of emotionally and morally difficult to deal with such weighty information when you've sent that, and you and Connor have done an amazing job from my perspective, particularly not only to take something that is really seriously painful, to actually read.
	And be shocked by it, but then to actually do the proper analysis.
	But also the chaplets, whoever that sent you that Freedom of Information, what a hero or heroine they are too.
	Yeah, and I'd like to say thank you to the person who did send it in.
	To add as well, this person was sending Freedom of Information requests, not just to West Yorkshire, to GMP, Greater Manchester Police.
	If they've got anything from there.
	Got nothing from everyone else.
	West Yorkshire was the only one that provided that.
	So that speaks volumes.
	But yeah, no, I very appreciate sending that.
	Because when I saw the ping and I read through it, I just sort of...
	You know when you know something, but then you have it confirmed back to you and you're still shocked.
	It was one of those moments.
	I know that feeling well.
	And it was...
	And I just...
	I don't know, I just felt a bit of weight and I phoned Connor and I thought, I don't know what to do here.
	But no, I appreciate that.
	It's a good piece of research and analysis.
	Really difficult.
	But that's it.
	Okay, should we go to the video comments?
	Okay.
	My garden.
	This is our Victoria Plum.
	I'm making this video because I'd like to show you the progress from the blossom forming to the plums themselves ripening.
	So here you can see the remains of the blooms.
	They are now falling off and behind each bloom is the beginning of a tiny plum.
	So let's follow these together, see how long they take to ripen and see the stages.
	I look forward to tracking that over whatever period of time these things grow.
	Look at this graph of how the Canadian parties changed their seats.
	The Bloc Quebecois are a prissy bunch who always bang on about French language and Francophile culture, and it garners them huge support.
	Quebec has sold out their values to jump to a party headed by a man who barely speaks French just to stick it to Trump.
	NDP voters realised their leader had sold their party down the river and their vote was better lent to the Liberals.
	But don't think that's a swing from NDP to Conservatives.
	It was NDP going to Liberal but in insufficient numbers, splitting the vote and letting the Conservatives.
	It's interesting.
	Speaking about the Canadian election, I was looking at the voting intentions broken down by age range, like Zoomers, Boomers, why they voted for what, and the disparity between sticking it to Trump to...
	Cost of living.
	I'm looking at it going, boomers overwhelmingly voted.
	The intention was to stick it to Trump over their own domestic...
	I always maintain for a boomer, the TV is a primary sense organ.
	And the TV only ever talks about Trump, so for them, that's their world.
	That's the only thing they can see.
	I know one woman who works in a school who just incessantly, she's in a primary school, is watching anti-Trump videos.
	She's a trade unionist, socialist.
	That's all she does.
	And when they're not on, it's like she's going for withdrawals.
	Where's the anti-Trump video?
	I need a TikTok anti-Trump.
	Give it to me.
	Shaking.
	Let's play this.
	So you guys talking about nationhood and national identity and how history needs to be taught.
	I think that that's accurate.
	I feel like in sixth form or thereabouts you're sort of told to critique everything and through a Marxist lens because it's critical thinking, to contextualise and to find faults or how things can be improved to be better.
	And then I feel like in university at the end of your studies, or progressively towards the rest of your life, you should continually reaffirm why nationhood is actually important, because it's then going to mean that you're going to get on with everyone around you better as well.
	Good point.
	Yep, good point.
	As a Marxist, I remember those days.
	And it's all educational system doing that.
	Yeah, quite.
	I'm still trying to work out, did I miss something about watching the blossom of the bloom from the video at the beginning?
	I think there's going to be a series of them and we will watch it unfold.
	I just go into my garden and I look up if I want.
	I can see the wood pigeons eating everything that I want.
	They'll nibble away at those green things.
	No one's given me a shotgun to be able to get rid of him yet.
	Not that I have a license or the capability of doing it.
	I keep watching Marvel shows and wonder if I can get these eyes to get rid of the pigeon.
	And then keep my Victoria plums.
	Yeah, you've got to keep those.
	Have we got any more videos?
	is another video.
	Good morning, Lotus Eaters.
	The Mountain Loop Highway recently opened, and I decided to hike to the abandoned gold mining town of Monte Cristo and up the Poodle Dog Pass.
	The weather was perfect.
	The trilliums were blooming along the trail, and you could see almost every single mountain in the area.
	It was also cool knowing that you were hiking the trails traveled by miners and prospectors 130 years ago.
	Also, if you're listening to this, Josh, thank you for everything you did at the Lotus Eaters, and I hope you end up camping in my neck of the woods someday.
	More pictures and videos tomorrow.
	That is beautiful.
	Absolutely stunning.
	Best way to touch grass, eh?
	Here we are.
	That is not like Swindon.
	No, no, no.
	No, my old hometown of Crawley.
	Right, let's do some of these comments.
	So, Inexo says the answer is simple.
	The Quran makes it clear that non-believers aren't worthy.
	If the men are married and want sex, then it's not adultery under their religious law, so it's permissible to them.
	Yes, I think I've heard similar things.
	Rick TWGP says no right gear because they are afraid of the white indigenous population.
	Lose control of us once and they know they've lost control altogether.
	Yes, that is...
	That's probably getting to the nub of it.
	And Glee777 says things are heating up here in Brum.
	The smell of curry is strong.
	It is quite a potent smell, I will give you that.
	Right.
	And also, I shall turn to our subscribers, who Sophie Liv says, oh no, I suppose now the deporting, you guys need to take in 10 million Indian refugees as well as 10 million Pakistani refugees.
	I mean, literally that is, I think, the most likely outcome.
	If there's a war, it's going to be hard not to argue from their side of things, because the pressure will be on the Labour Party to admit them.
	Miss Desert Rat says, many thought Russia's invasion of Ukraine would kick off World War III, but the conflict between India and Pakistan might be the ignition.
	I mean, it could be, yeah.
	Hmm, I don't know.
	I'm not sure.
	Sarajevo too?
	No, I can't see it myself, to be honest.
	No, I can't either.
	I don't know.
	All the big parties don't really, as we said, in World War II, the big parties were either backing one side or the other.
	You've got China, America, and European Union, and I suppose Russia are all saying, which side do we go on?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they're all calling them to calm down, aren't they?
	Charlie Francis Montgomery Gullivard Oliver says, I wonder if the Indians are just bombing targets the Pakistan government can't act against directly.
	I mean, that's an interesting point.
	Yeah.
	But possibly, because of Pakistani internal politics, you know, a backroom deal has been done, which is, you know, actually you wouldn't mind so much if you took out these bothersome chaps and we're fires and my tellery shells and then we're, you know, we're sound off in the media and then we go back to normal.
	I mean, that is a possible outcome.
	Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting point, actually.
	Conor's H1B1 replacement says, so, in short war in India and Pakistan breaks out, England most affected?
	Yes.
	Yes, that is right.
	Shall I do something from yours, or do you want to...?
	No, no, you go ahead.
	It's difficult to read it as much.
	Kevin Foxes, speaking of asylum, recently the MSM were covering...
	The two little girls and entire families from Gaza was urgent medical care.
	At the same time, Norway, God knows why, decided to recognise the Palestinians and its government, Hamas, as legitimate.
	Yeah, so if, you know, I have the greatest of sympathy for children anywhere in the world, you know, such as Gaza and, you know, wherever else who are in need, through no fault of their own because of actions their parents or, you know, their government may have taken.
	But yeah, why does charity never begin at home?
	We sort of gloss over our victims here.
	Great focus on elsewhere.
	Omar Ward says, whoever loses in the Indian-Pakistan conflict, the NGOs win.
	And the defence contractors, I'd add to that.
	All of these human rights lawyers must be salivating over the potential refugee status.
	Yeah, they will do well as well.
	As I point out, the IOM has a budget of 3.8 billion and 15,000 employees.
	So the International Organization of Migration under the UN.
	They've got a budget of how much?
	3.8 billion.
	3.8 billion?
	That's almost as much as the BBC.
	That's a vast amount of money.
	So, if you want to donate so that we can take on, we'll have 3.8 billion.
	Any billionaires out there?
	I feel we should call up our PO Box address again as well, because clearly a lot of money is sloshing around out there, but none of it seems to be coming our way.
	Imagine what it would be like if we had 3.8 billion to take them on.
	Imagine we're doing this on smaller budgets across the globe, all the different groups.
	Imagine if we did get a billionaire that said, I'm going to be Soros for you.
	Yes.
	That would be superb.
	In fact, let me just go through some of the various gifs.
	Oh, no, I can't find it now.
	Oh, whatever.
	Anyway, I was hoping to go through the list of the PO Box addresses of the fantastic gifs.
	Now, I'll quickly tell you my BBC story.
	I was once out with a missus having a walk in the park.
	This is years ago.
	And I noticed a full-scale BBC truck.
	Big articulated lorry rolled up and the back was open and they were doing something.
	I didn't think much of it.
	Okay, they're doing something.
	And one of the guys comes over to me and says, have you seen any bluebells on your walk?
	And I was like, well, wasn't really paying attention, but what do you want them for?
	And he said, well, it's a nice day, so we wanted to get some footage of bluebells.
	And I was like...
	Well, to put on the weather report, and he's like, yes.
	And he says, well, haven't you got stock footage of Bluebells?
	And he says, oh, yeah, loads of it, but we like to do it fresh.
	So they've got enough money that they can send out a lorry to get just Bluebells stock footage, even though they've already got countless hours of stock footage, but they just want to be fresh.
	It's like someone having a laugh in the office.
	No, no, no, they're quite sincere.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's how the BBC works.
	If only we had that sort of money.
	Noah Newman says, does all of this mean all the Indians and Pakistans can claim refugee status in the West?
	Yes.
	It is.
	It's true.
	That is exactly what it means.
	Playing war and war and war.
	Yes.
	Jumbo G says, good luck to anyone in Leicester who hasn't been ousted yet.
	A cricket match will be nothing compared to what's coming.
	Yes.
	I mean, if a cricket match led to that sort of conflict, you know, imagine what...
	Down fighter jets is going to do.
	That's going to be a little bit more lively.
	Interesting to see over the weekend if it really does go off a bit more.
	Yes.
	Do you want to do something for me a little bit?
	Yeah, sure.
	I need to scroll down.
	That's the one.
	Thank you very much.
	So, we've got here Connor's H1B1.
	Just a reminder that each of those statistics numbers represents a real person whose lives have been ruined by people who shouldn't have been in the country to begin with.
	Obviously, not all.
	But, yes.
	Yes, very true.
	I think that's it.
	Okay, Evan.
	That's literally it.
	Right.
	Well, in which case...
	Why don't I, I guess, just remind everybody where they can be found?
	Where can you be found, Lewis?
	Yes, you can find me on X, just Lewis Brackpool.
	You can find me there.
	You can find me on YouTube, exactly the same, and Instagram as well, and Substack.
	I post them there.
	Try to, at least.
	Oh, I've got them, Nick.
	You can find me on X at kingbingo underscore, because I signed up.
	Like, in the first week of Twitter, and I just gave a joke name because I didn't think this thing was going to stick around.
	I've got a stupid handle.
	But anyway, Stephen?
	Well, mine's just like yours, Lewis, Stephen Wolf 1, and that's on X, and I only have that at the moment.
	And also, the Centre for Migration has C-M-E-P-U-K-1, Centre for Migration Economic Prosperity-U-K-1.
	However, years ago, I had to close down all my accounts because I was being black.
	Listed in the city.
	Couldn't get a job at all.
	So I had over 100,000 followers on the crust of all the channels.
	So I only really started again in November.
	So a lot of the work that I'm doing has come back because people said, you know, you need to fight back, and that's exactly what I'm doing.
	So CMEP is rebuilding.
	I'm rebuilding.
	So thanks very much.
	Good man.
	Yes, excellent.
	Right, thank you very much, and look forward to seeing you tomorrow, chaps.

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